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Title: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Wavicle on August 10, 2011, 01:09:52 PM
This pops up every once in a while, but I was wondering if we could establish how the mods tend to handle situations where posters may not be getting the whole truth. This could mean involving posters off board, or straight up making things up to garner sympathy.

I understand if it is policy to completely keep things off board, but I would just likes some clarification for how mods/admin would prefer we handle things. Report to the mods, just use mental ignore on that poster's threads, or politely (that being the key word) express doubt in thread without necessarily calling them out? Do you monitor things, or just rely on posters to use their heads?

I don't see anything wrong with either policy, but it may help reduce the frequency that derailing posts are brought up in threads to be able to point this out. It may also help in how people evaluate personal reactions to know if the mods will be a safety net or to know that it will not be publically declared if someone is not being honest.

I am sorry if this thread is inappropriate, but I have seen other boards where people get taken advantage of both in emotional energy, time, and money. I have just bee curious how mods/admins would prefer to see posters handle it.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: penelope2017 on August 10, 2011, 01:32:04 PM
It is easy to say ignore, but when you are watching good, kind people get emotionally drawn into very painful elaborate stories, it gets hard to do so.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Scuba_Dog on August 10, 2011, 01:50:23 PM
It is easy to say ignore, but when you are watching good, kind people get emotionally drawn into very painful elaborate stories, it gets hard to do so.

Agree.

It's one thing when people make up harmless silly stories that might annoy a bit but do no harm.

It's quite another when stories of massive grief, loss or huge life issues are made up solely to garner sympathy and attention from unsuspecting posters.  That is sickening and insulting.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Wavicle on August 10, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
I have also seen a couple situations were the poster is telling the truth, but there are some additional details that may affect how posters would feel about the situation.

Also, I am sorry if this has been directly addressed. I did remember a similar thread from a while ago, but don't recall a mod/admin stepping in. I just want to make sure I act appropriately based on mod/admin preference if it comes up.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hillia on August 10, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
I thought the stated policy was to notify an admin before calling public shenanigans?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: penelope2017 on August 10, 2011, 02:05:53 PM
As far as I know, the mods were notified (more than once?) about this poster and shenanigans. Not sure how one proceeds then if the threads, pain and suffering continue after that notification other than to call the poster out?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Poirot on August 10, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Posting to get a mod's opinion of this, because I am feeling quite angry at the moment because I was totally taken in by a recent thread.

It took clearer heads than mine to notice the inconsistencies, and I'm actually a little embarrassed I was taken in.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 10, 2011, 02:09:43 PM
It took clearer heads than mine to notice the inconsistencies, and I'm actually a little embarrassed I was taken in.

Don't be embarrassed. Even if it turns out that the stories were false, there's nothing wrong with being someone who cares about other people.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Poirot on August 10, 2011, 02:11:37 PM
Thanks WF, I'm usually a lot sharper than that.  :) now that they've been pointed out, the inconsistencies seem absolutely glaring.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Wavicle on August 10, 2011, 02:11:55 PM
I will admit that this was sparked by a recent thread, but I honestly mean this in a general sense. I have been wondering about this for a long time, and it just took a little while for me to go ahead and ask.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 10, 2011, 02:14:16 PM
Me too, and I really hate when people do this kind of thing. Having a friend who would love to have children but has still not had any success, and did suffer the loss of a pregnancy, it really makes me mad someone would make this kind of story up to get sympathy.

I tend to be one that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt (Bit of a Pollyanna in that way) but these things make me more cynical..
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: O'Dell on August 10, 2011, 02:19:32 PM
Hopefully a mod will pop in and answer your question this time. In general, my personal policy is to report if I think anything funky is going on and let the mods figure it out. On another board I frequented it is encouraged as the mods would rather have false alarm reports to filter through than to wait until accusations and flaming break out. Then once I report it, I stay out of the thread. I might very occasionally, send a PM to a regular board member or 2 that seem to have gotten sucked in and mention my suspicions out of concern for them.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 10, 2011, 02:27:53 PM
What about sending a private message to the poster you are having doubts about?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: wheeitsme on August 10, 2011, 02:29:23 PM
I believe the policy tends to be to notify the Mods and stop posting.  Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, sometimes the truth is fiction.  It's the Moderators' responsibility to make that call.  In the meantime, I figure if I'm not posting, I'm not in danger of attacking a possible innocent.


my 2cents.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: penelope2017 on August 10, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
I believe the policy tends to be to notify the Mods and stop posting.  Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, sometimes the truth is fiction.  It's the Moderators' responsibility to make that call.  In the meantime, I figure if I'm not posting, I'm not in danger of attacking a possible innocent.


my 2cents.

I mostly agree but when it becomes thread upon thread of drama upon drama, including extremely sensitive tragedies,  with people getting emotionally invested, it starts to become painful to watch - as I said above.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: wheeitsme on August 10, 2011, 02:39:35 PM
I believe the policy tends to be to notify the Mods and stop posting.  Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, sometimes the truth is fiction.  It's the Moderators' responsibility to make that call.  In the meantime, I figure if I'm not posting, I'm not in danger of attacking a possible innocent.


my 2cents.

I mostly agree but when it becomes thread upon thread of drama upon drama, including extremely sensitive tragedies,  with people getting emotionally invested, it starts to become painful to watch - as I said above.

I didn't say it was easy.  Sometimes the hardest thing to do is to not respond. But moderating the forum is the role of the Moderators.  And I think the proof of what a good job they do is manifest in the forum itself.  So sometimes I just have to notify them, trust in their judgement, and walk away.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Two Ravens on August 10, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
What about sending a private message to the poster you are having doubts about?

I am not sure what this would accomplish...are you expecting the person to come clean?  It would more likely add fuel to the fire, "Now, I am getting harrassed by PM!" etc.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 10, 2011, 02:47:22 PM
What about sending a private message to the poster you are having doubts about?

I am not sure what this would accomplish...are you expecting the person to come clean?  It would more likely add fuel to the fire, "Now, I am getting harrassed by PM!" etc.

I guess...just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Perfect Circle on August 10, 2011, 02:57:09 PM
I remember a long time ago when I merely lurked the Dame said it was ok to question posters - it was in the LizettaRose thread about a co-irker trying to kill her:

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=23488.msg526192#msg526192

I don't think sending a PM will establish anything - a troll is unlikely to respond in the affirmative.

However, I personally report posts rather than call people out.

Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on August 10, 2011, 02:59:45 PM
Thanks WF, I'm usually a lot sharper than that.  :) now that they've been pointed out, the inconsistencies seem absolutely glaring.


POD POD POD POD POD!!!!!!!  I feel like an absolute fool.  I was getting ready to send a very nice PM, and now I am very angry and embarrassed.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Lisbeth on August 10, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
I'd report the posts you have doubts about to the moderators and then leave the thread.  Questioning the poster directly, whether in the thread or by PM, can lead to flame wars and other ugliness that don't belong in the threads.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: LadyL on August 10, 2011, 03:02:29 PM
What I have done when I had doubts about a posters story and thought other people were missing it was to go back through their posts and cut and paste quotes highlighting the inconsistency, and then said "You said X here and Y here - I'm confused, can you clarify?" Of course this only works if the inconsistency is within one post or several posts on the same topic, rather than across several posts on different topics.

In the case in question the poster was seriously downplaying a major detail that made their situation seem far more sympathetic/dramatic than it really was.

EDIT: the example thread posted by Perfect Circle is very similar to what I mean in terms of how I responded.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on August 10, 2011, 03:03:40 PM
What about sending a private message to the poster you are having doubts about?

I am not sure what this would accomplish...are you expecting the person to come clean?  It would more likely add fuel to the fire, "Now, I am getting harrassed by PM!" etc.

I guess...just a suggestion.

Not the LizettaRose, but the Jhante one, there was one person who sent several PMs to the troll, which were ignored.  Then she started posting on the thread that she suspected shenanigans, and the troll denied them (although her denials made it worse in that the stories got more and more convoluted).  Finally the whole thing fell apart, but I know that a few people were hurt in that they had been emotionally invested.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: LadyPekoe on August 10, 2011, 03:05:39 PM
I think sometimes the mods don't have enough "proof" to ban someone as a troll but there is plenty of evidence that they are.  And, I, personally, think posters should step up in those situations because you can SEE people getting emotionally invested.  I saw it happening with NEW and I see it happening again here.  Because a good troll picks topics that emotionally invest people, they have a billion terrible things happen constantly, and they have truncated timelines (so they post constantly), in most cases.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Fluffy Cat on August 10, 2011, 03:06:57 PM
Personally, I'd be wary of questioning posters about lying or making objectively offensive statements directly in any thread.  Generally it seems that is more likely to get one in trouble than making up stories or being offensive in the first place.  I report and then try to move on even when in most cases no visible action is taken, mostly for that reason.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: LadyL on August 10, 2011, 03:09:43 PM
I think sometimes the mods don't have enough "proof" to ban someone as a troll but there is plenty of evidence that they are.  And, I, personally, think posters should step up in those situations because you can SEE people getting emotionally invested.  I saw it happening with NEW and I see it happening again here.  Because a good troll picks topics that emotionally invest people, they have a billion terrible things happen constantly, and they have truncated timelines (so they post constantly), in most cases.

I would also appreciate closure WRT posters who have been banned for these reasons. I did not know until this post that NEW was actually banned. I had discussed my concern about her story with some posters off board and had checked for new posts from her out of (morbid) curiosity, because it bothered me that so many people were expending so much energy and sympathy based on a highly improbably story. But it is at least reassuring to find out now that the mods did address it.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Poirot on August 10, 2011, 03:16:55 PM
Me too LadyL, but I fully understand why the mods don't want to get involved in such disclosure.

I am however very interested if the mods or ehelldame could give us a clearer idea how they'd like us to proceed if we are suspicious, but not comfortable with adding pointed questions to the thread.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 10, 2011, 03:24:25 PM
I'd like to know as a newbie the best way to deal with this...
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Xallanthia on August 10, 2011, 03:38:44 PM
Really you just notify mods, and maybe contact other posters who are getting emotionally involved, if you feel you want to do that.

The sad thing is it's difficult to do the right thing.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Horace on August 10, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
All i can say is that I'm another person who was taken in by NEW and a couple of other posters but I've only just realised they were trolling so I'm feeling a bit daft. I'd like to know what the mods say we should do in the future.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ligeia on August 10, 2011, 03:41:44 PM
I would also appreciate closure WRT posters who have been banned for these reasons. I did not know until this post that NEW was actually banned. I had discussed my concern about her story with some posters off board and had checked for new posts from her out of (morbid) curiosity, because it bothered me that so many people were expending so much energy and sympathy based on a highly improbably story. But it is at least reassuring to find out now that the mods did address it.

This is why I would like it if we could call shenanigans politely within threads, and get a final word from the mods.  I'd had suspicions about her as well, and I discussed it with another poster and was encouraged to report it to the mods.  I had no idea if there were any besides the two of us who had suspicions, so when she was banned I actually felt pretty guilty.  Her story was so terrible that even if a bit of it were true, I'd feel like a nosy jerk to be even partly responsible for her banning.  I decided I should just mind my own business from there on out--so I'm glad to finally know that we weren't the only ones.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hillia on August 10, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
Now I feel silly, but...who is NEW?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 10, 2011, 03:44:58 PM
Now I feel silly, but...who is NEW?

I think it means they don't want to disclose the name? I don't know... :(
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Yvaine on August 10, 2011, 03:45:41 PM
Now I feel silly, but...who is NEW?

I think it means they don't want to disclose the name? I don't know... :(

Nah, it's just an abbreviation, I think. She went by NoExitWounds.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on August 10, 2011, 03:46:46 PM
I have never called shenanigans on anyone... guess I must be really gullible.  However, I am really pleased at how calmly and politely trolls are dealt with.  Kudos to us  :)
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: wolfie on August 10, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
Now I feel silly, but...who is NEW?

No Exit Wounds
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Peggy Gus on August 10, 2011, 03:47:36 PM
Now I feel silly, but...who is NEW?

I think it means they don't want to disclose the name? I don't know... :(

Nah, it's just an abbreviation, I think. She went by NoExitWounds.

Yes, it is NoExitWounds.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on August 10, 2011, 03:50:11 PM
Until just now I had no idea that NEW had been banned.  What bothers me most about trolls and shenanigans is when they emotionally manipulate the rest of us.  For that reason, I would like some closure so that I can stop being emotionally invested in their predicaments.  I can easily think of 4 definite trolls here in the years I have been hanging out here, and I have been fooled 3 out of those 4 times.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on August 10, 2011, 03:55:16 PM
Until just now I had no idea that NEW had been banned.  What bothers me most about trolls and shenanigans is when they emotionally manipulate the rest of us.  For that reason, I would like some closure so that I can stop being emotionally invested in their predicaments.  I can easily think of 4 definite trolls here in the years I have been hanging out here, and I have been fooled 3 out of those 4 times.

I could have written this post myself.  I didn't know there was any issue with NEW, and feeling a bit daft too.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Wavicle on August 10, 2011, 03:56:29 PM
Noexitwounds. She had posted about being raped  and being pregnant with twins. I had just though she was banned because she was outspoken and had crossed the line one too many times in posts.   :-\ In that case and in others,  try to be supportive because sometimes real life just is ridiculous and I figure someone else may be helped by what I said even if it was inspired by something false. It isn't even just straight up trolls that are completely making things up but maybe stretching the truth or leaving out important details, or just coming back over and over again and posters getting frustrated with repeated pleas for help.

I had not intended this to be a thread to call out specific issues/posters, and it really was in a general sense. I hope the mods are not upset with this turn of things, and I hope I do not get in trouble  :-[ This does kind of illustrate why these issues are so confusing.I

I am really really sorry. I know we are not owed mod responses, it is just frustrating getting bits and pieces of these things, feeling out of the loop. I just want to know how we should prevent this because right now people seem to be confused about how to respond because comments from mods on their end up buried in other and sometimes unrelated thread. I really hope I don't get in trouble and I don't get anyone else in trouble, again I am really sorry if this crossed a line  :-[
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: shhh its me on August 10, 2011, 04:01:28 PM
   It's such a hard call to make ,I do have a vague recollection of a MOD saying somewhere not to go so far as  to call "shenanigans" but that saying......... "That seems imppossible", "you said x and then y , I'm confused"  or something to that effect is appropriate.  I've seen poster link all  of someones threads perhaps to highlight inconsistencies or trillion to one odds that all this happened to the same person.  Note I've also done and seen this when the posters was getting advice on 1/10 of the situation and I felt the background would significantly change the advise. (so if the poster I did this to is still here , I wasn't trying to prove you were a liar.)

I've only seen someone called out(  believe you are lying, said outright) here a few times.  I have seen longtime poster be slightly aggressive with some people with very unusually/inconsistent stories.   

I wonder sometimes when people say " That was terrible but you still made me laugh, you're writting style is very entertaining, You should write fiction" and/or "it's some unbelievable it must be true" is a sly way of saying " I think you are currently written fiction"?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 10, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
Noexitwounds. She had posted about being raped  and being pregnant with twins. I had just though she was banned because she was outspoken and had crossed the line one too many times in posts.   :-\

Yeah, me too, I didn't know she was a troll until now.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ligeia on August 10, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
Noexitwounds. She had posted about being raped  and being pregnant with twins. I had just though she was banned because she was outspoken and had crossed the line one too many times in posts.   :-\ In that case and in others,  try to be supportive because sometimes real life just is ridiculous and I figure someone else may be helped by what I said even if it was inspired by something false. It isn't even just straight up trolls that are completely making things up but maybe stretching the truth or leaving out important details, or just coming back over and over again and posters getting frustrated with repeated pleas for help.

Well, that's the thing--maybe she wasn't a troll.  I suspected she was and discussed it with one other person, but we still don't know why she was banned.  And indeed, as soon as I reported her, I felt terrible--even if she were making most of it up, she obviously needed some sort of support.  I still feel guilty, especially because I don't know if anybody had better evidence than I did (mine was highly circumstantial).
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: LadyL on August 10, 2011, 04:07:32 PM
I had not intended this to be a thread to call out specific issues/posters, and it really was in a general sense. I hope the mods are not upset with this turn of things, and I hope I do not get in trouble  :-[ This does kind of illustrate why these issues are so confusing.I

I am really really sorry. I know we are not owed mod responses, it is just frustrating getting bits and pieces of these things, feeling out of the loop. I just want to know how we should prevent this because right now people seem to be confused about how to respond because comments from mods on their end up buried in other and sometimes unrelated thread. I really hope I don't get in trouble and I don't get anyone else in trouble, again I am really sorry if this crossed a line  :-[

I think it's an important discussion to have and hope that you don't get in trouble for it. I appreciate you bringing it up even though it is delicate and uncomfortable.

I think that for the amount of energy and investment we put into posting on the boards, it would be very considerate that the moderators be communicative when our goodwill is taken advantage of. Personally it would instill a sense of, "well there are messed up people out there, but at least the mods realize how hurtful it is and are openly discouraging the behavior."  I'm not sure if I'm being clear here. I just feel like the current way of handling it makes it seem a bit swept under the rug. I prefer when a post gets locked for being contentious and the mods post saying "So and so will no longer be participating in this board" because then I feel satisfied that people are not being allowed to blatantly abuse their posting privileges. It would be great if they could do something similar when a poster is banned for trolling.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: wolfie on August 10, 2011, 04:09:52 PM
I am glad that some names are being named because I was fooled by NEW and was toying with the idea of emailing her and seeing if she was okay. Now I won't bother embarrassing myself like that.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Wavicle on August 10, 2011, 04:12:40 PM
I would even be OK with hearing the official policy is to sweep it under the rug. What is confusing me is that sometimes people do call out and it hasn't specifically been banned, but people are wary to do it so either everyone apparently privately wonders, has whispered PMs, or cryptically mentions things in other threads (which I realize I did a bit and I have received PMs but I don't want to get myself in deeper questionable topics). It wouldn't be so bad if we all  collectively agreed to let the mods handle it and let the drama just fade away into the sunset with no mentions of it.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Xallanthia on August 10, 2011, 04:22:36 PM
I don't think letting it fade away into the sunset is really going to happen.  It seems like every time there's a big story/shenanigans post, there's at least one "detox" thread after where people tell stories, get their anger out, and just generally recover as a community.  I saw it with Jhantee, saw it with LizettaRose, seen it a few other times.  Even if it's just "I'm so angry this was done!!" or "I'm so angry that I fell for it!" it seems to bring us together.  Someone was going to post something.  It's human nature.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Fluffy Cat on August 10, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
I can't even tell when a poster has been banned or not here.  Much less why of course.  I know a few who were in fact banned show up as active, and a few who may have been banned who also show up as active so I have no way of knowing  For instance, MTheory.  Was she banned for some reason, or has she just been busy? 

I don't expect an answer to the above, but some consistency would be nice. And I think there would be less questions if a banned poster weren't still listed as active.  However, I suppose that might be a problem with the forum software.  As for how to respond to trolling, I've seen it said by mods/admin that its okay to ask questions of the poster in thread, and I've also seen it be said that you should absolutely leave it entirely up to the mods.  Again, consistency.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ligeia on August 10, 2011, 04:32:14 PM
I don't think letting it fade away into the sunset is really going to happen.  It seems like every time there's a big story/shenanigans post, there's at least one "detox" thread after where people tell stories, get their anger out, and just generally recover as a community.  I saw it with Jhantee, saw it with LizettaRose, seen it a few other times.  Even if it's just "I'm so angry this was done!!" or "I'm so angry that I fell for it!" it seems to bring us together.  Someone was going to post something.  It's human nature.

That's why I'm confused.  Nobody called out NEW publicly; I, for one, was sure other posters would turn against me.   But apparently others also suspected, and still others are now hurt that they fell for it.  I'm not sure what the solution is, or if there needs to be one, or even if this current discussion is against the rules.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: R_Suerte on August 10, 2011, 04:33:22 PM
I have seen some trolls come on here, make comments or even start threads, get called on it, get banned and the thread disappear in a matter of minutes.  I guess it was swept under the rug and I'm OK with that. Plus, I think maybe announcing that a troll was banned might just draw more attention to the troll and give them what they want.

My take is that the mods are doing everything that is best for the forum and we have to take their word at that. It may or may not be what I would do if I was a mod but, then I have never moderated a board before, nor care to.  If I ever thought the mods were acting in bad faith (e.g. arbitrarily editing comments, banning posters for their perceived political views), I would just quit coming here. But, I have full faith that the mods are running the forum the best way.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: sugar pie on August 10, 2011, 04:38:19 PM
On my livejournal communities, the unofficial policy when you suspected a troll was to not reply to their posts, discuss via email with other members who share your suspicions, and when you feel you have enough info, share privately with others who reply to the drama llama/troll's posts. You know...word of mouth and all. Doing this deprived the faker of the sorely desired attention.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: jimithing on August 10, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
I don't think letting it fade away into the sunset is really going to happen.  It seems like every time there's a big story/shenanigans post, there's at least one "detox" thread after where people tell stories, get their anger out, and just generally recover as a community.  I saw it with Jhantee, saw it with LizettaRose, seen it a few other times.  Even if it's just "I'm so angry this was done!!" or "I'm so angry that I fell for it!" it seems to bring us together.  Someone was going to post something.  It's human nature.

That's why I'm confused.  Nobody called out NEW publicly; I, for one, was sure other posters would turn against me.   But apparently others also suspected, and still others are now hurt that they fell for it.  I'm not sure what the solution is, or if there needs to be one, or even if this current discussion is against the rules.

No need to worry. MANY posters reported NEW to the mods and suspected her. Posters found evidence that she was lying about her pregnancy via her blogs and FB page. And the unfortunate thing about her was that many people believed what she was saying, and have worried about her.

I can also say that I've been told by mods that they really need to have solid proof to do anything about a poster who is suspected of trolling, but the poster that sparked this thread was also reported repeatedly by several posters.

It becomes super tricky. I would feel *horrible* if I called someone out as a troll who really wasn't and was looking for help and support. I think it's a really fine line.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Xallanthia on August 10, 2011, 04:45:36 PM
I don't think letting it fade away into the sunset is really going to happen.  It seems like every time there's a big story/shenanigans post, there's at least one "detox" thread after where people tell stories, get their anger out, and just generally recover as a community.  I saw it with Jhantee, saw it with LizettaRose, seen it a few other times.  Even if it's just "I'm so angry this was done!!" or "I'm so angry that I fell for it!" it seems to bring us together.  Someone was going to post something.  It's human nature.

That's why I'm confused.  Nobody called out NEW publicly; I, for one, was sure other posters would turn against me.   But apparently others also suspected, and still others are now hurt that they fell for it.  I'm not sure what the solution is, or if there needs to be one, or even if this current discussion is against the rules.

As far as I know, no one called public shennanigans on NEW (I may be wrong about that, though).  Also, she made a large number of thoughtful, detailed posts unrelated to her situation, both before and after her situation began.  Finally, based only on a very quick scan-through of her posts, her dates (at least) seem to add up.  Because she had a rather controversial posting style, she may have been banned for other reasons.  For her, I honestly don't know.  Though, jimithing posts just above me (as I'm typing) that it was most likely that at least some was made up and there was evidence.  I was not around the boards much at that time and might have missed something, as well.

I was talking more about the obvious trolls, which come out in different ways, but there are a few things I've learned to watch out for in suspecting them:

1) Everything seems to happen on a condensed timescale; they are posting faster than they should for things to happen naturally;
2) Their given details diverge significantly with other posters' experiences of similar situations on more than one occasion;
3) They find a way to relate every post to their Subject, even in unrelated threads.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Fluffy Cat on August 10, 2011, 04:50:10 PM
3) They find a way to relate every post to their Subject, even in unrelated threads.

I've noticed #3 a lot lately, and not only in regards to trolls.  I'd add:

4) Completely not being effected by a particularly dramatic Subject, even in related threads.  I'm thinking of Jhantee, mostly.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: SiotehCat on August 10, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
I must be super clueless, because I had no clue that either of the posters that were banned recently were lying.

I just like to assume that everyone is telling the truth. Its for the same reason that I like to believe that every person on the street corner that has asked me for money really needs it.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: shhh its me on August 10, 2011, 04:57:44 PM
I don't think letting it fade away into the sunset is really going to happen.  It seems like every time there's a big story/shenanigans post, there's at least one "detox" thread after where people tell stories, get their anger out, and just generally recover as a community.  I saw it with Jhantee, saw it with LizettaRose, seen it a few other times.  Even if it's just "I'm so angry this was done!!" or "I'm so angry that I fell for it!" it seems to bring us together.  Someone was going to post something.  It's human nature.

That's why I'm confused.  Nobody called out NEW publicly; I, for one, was sure other posters would turn against me.   But apparently others also suspected, and still others are now hurt that they fell for it.  I'm not sure what the solution is, or if there needs to be one, or even if this current discussion is against the rules.

I actually thought NEW was banned because of the escalating string of " I live an alternative lifestyle and needed support , if if wasn't different all my threads wouldn't be locked.  I see now how discriminatory you all are" and some very very combative posts about controversy subjests and her unusually ideas about those subjects.   Not becasue her ideas were controversial or unusually but that she was really combative about it.  She really seemed to want to bring the fight about her ideas at the end.   I'am not just talking about the threads about her personal situation , I mean more in general.

IDK but I wouldn't feel guilty if I were you.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Shoo on August 10, 2011, 04:59:53 PM
I must be super clueless, because I had no clue that either of the posters that were banned recently were lying.

I just like to assume that everyone is telling the truth. Its for the same reason that I like to believe that every person on the street corner that has asked me for money really needs it.

I am super clueless too, then, because I had no idea either.  And I'm here every day!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: jimithing on August 10, 2011, 05:01:47 PM
I must be super clueless, because I had no clue that either of the posters that were banned recently were lying.

I just like to assume that everyone is telling the truth. Its for the same reason that I like to believe that every person on the street corner that has asked me for money really needs it.

I am super clueless too, then, because I had no idea either.  And I'm here every day!

I'm generally pretty clueless, but NEW's stories and posts read like a Lifetime Movie. I know people really do have a lot of crazy things happen, but the timelines were off and everything was SO dramatic.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ligeia on August 10, 2011, 05:10:32 PM
I don't think letting it fade away into the sunset is really going to happen.  It seems like every time there's a big story/shenanigans post, there's at least one "detox" thread after where people tell stories, get their anger out, and just generally recover as a community.  I saw it with Jhantee, saw it with LizettaRose, seen it a few other times.  Even if it's just "I'm so angry this was done!!" or "I'm so angry that I fell for it!" it seems to bring us together.  Someone was going to post something.  It's human nature.

That's why I'm confused.  Nobody called out NEW publicly; I, for one, was sure other posters would turn against me.   But apparently others also suspected, and still others are now hurt that they fell for it.  I'm not sure what the solution is, or if there needs to be one, or even if this current discussion is against the rules.

No need to worry. MANY posters reported NEW to the mods and suspected her. Posters found evidence that she was lying about her pregnancy via her blogs and FB page. And the unfortunate thing about her was that many people believed what she was saying, and have worried about her.

I can also say that I've been told by mods that they really need to have solid proof to do anything about a poster who is suspected of trolling, but the poster that sparked this thread was also reported repeatedly by several posters.

It becomes super tricky. I would feel *horrible* if I called someone out as a troll who really wasn't and was looking for help and support. I think it's a really fine line.

I see!  I had also found a blog in which she posted fan fiction with a big rape scenario, but I didn't have any definitive proof that she wasn't pregnant or hadn't experienced some of what she posted here; for all I knew, maybe the fan fiction was her way of coping with what might have happened to her at some point in her past.  I had also found the escalation of her situation very suspicious (from possible pregnancy to life-threatening pregnancy to life-threatening pregnancy with twins), but what finally sent it over the edge was her cheerful baby-naming thread.  Who goes through all that, isn't even sure she's keeping the babies, and then starts a thread with a very thorough and systematic way of brainstorming and eliminating potential baby names?  But I still thought it was all fairly circumstantial evidence.

I do feel better now, though I wish I had known that so many others were suspicious.  Nobody questioned her in her threads, IIRC.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Zilla on August 10, 2011, 05:41:51 PM
I report the ones that I think are trolling/faking with precisely the reasons why.  And let them handle it.


I also report the ones that I think were banned and come back as another poster.  Again to the mods with the reasons why.


I too am curious what the Mods would like to happen as well.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ticia on August 10, 2011, 05:51:54 PM
I was going to address this issue in the other thread that I locked earlier today, but since this thread was started, I shall answer here. I've locked this thread just until I post this.

If anyone has solid evidence of *anyone* being a troll or a previously banned poster, please bring that evidence to a moderator's attention by private message or violation reports. Otherwise, if we have no proof, there's not a whole lot we can do about it. The only thing we can do is give the troll enough rope to hang themselves, if you know what I mean.

If there's no proof of trolliness (What? It's a word!) the mods and admins would really appreciate the drama being kept off the forum as much as possible. I'm totally okay with private messages (to people who seem to be investing a lot of energy into a possible "Troll" story) to warn them privately that they may want to take a step back and not believe everything the poster says.

The main point is, don't feed the troll, and calling "shenanigans" in a confrontational and angry manner is playing right into their hands. Private messages can be a way to quietly diffuse the situation. If a troll doesn't get the angry/tearful/crazy responses that they desire, they'll eventually leave the forum and go find another where they *do* get that response.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ligeia on August 10, 2011, 07:10:36 PM
Thanks for the clarification!  That does make sense.  I do wonder about whether calling trolls out really gives them the attention they want, though.  At least judging by the trolls I've seen here, it seems to me that what they crave are the sympathetic responses and definitely don't want to be called out.  Trolls on other boards are sometimes different, but when the modus operandi is making up incredibly sad and dramatic stories, I think the troll is after positive, not negative, attention.  In other words, feeding this particular kind of troll would actually be continuing to give understanding and sympathetic advice--that's the "food" they seem to want most.  Once someone expresses their concerns publicly, I'd think this sort of troll would be much more likely to move on because few people would believe their stories and offer sympathy any more.

But I'm just conjecturing.  It's also likely that calling trolls out publicly creates unnecessary drama, and in the end, it probably doesn't matter too much. 
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: McCutieBelle on August 10, 2011, 07:16:13 PM
I am surprised about NEW too, she was always very nice to me,.We shared similar interests in TV, I knew the fics she was writing I did not agree with totally, and the fact that she lied about that seemingly to get ideas is pretty foul. :*(
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ticia on August 10, 2011, 07:27:44 PM
In other words, feeding this particular kind of troll would actually be continuing to give understanding and sympathetic advice--that's the "food" they seem to want most.  Once someone expresses their concerns publicly, I'd think this sort of troll would be much more likely to move on because few people would believe their stories and offer sympathy any more.

Good point, which is why I think a private message "Heads up" to posters getting overly involved and giving lots of attention to the troll can be a way to diffuse the situation. If it's done quietly in private messages, people just stop responding to the trolls post and eventually they get bored and go away.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Fluffy Cat on August 10, 2011, 07:28:54 PM
I am surprised about NEW too, she was always very nice to me,.We shared similar interests in TV, I knew the fics she was writing I did not agree with totally, and the fact that she lied about that seemingly to get ideas is pretty foul. :*(

I'm so super glad that you decided to come back.  I hope you're feeling better than you were when you left the forum.  I also didn't know about NEW at the time.  :-[
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: McCutieBelle on August 10, 2011, 07:36:37 PM
Hi Fluffy Cat, thank you  ;D it means a lot to me. I am feeling better. Things are getting on track, I missed the board and you guys. I could not stay away!!

I think reporting to mods or asking for clarification if you can is good... but all in all we have to work with the mods.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Shores on August 10, 2011, 08:08:47 PM
In other words, feeding this particular kind of troll would actually be continuing to give understanding and sympathetic advice--that's the "food" they seem to want most.  Once someone expresses their concerns publicly, I'd think this sort of troll would be much more likely to move on because few people would believe their stories and offer sympathy any more.

Good point, which is why I think a private message "Heads up" to posters getting overly involved and giving lots of attention to the troll can be a way to diffuse the situation. If it's done quietly in private messages, people just stop responding to the trolls post and eventually they get bored and go away.
The problem is that with a board as large as this one with a constant influx of new members, there is always new blood to be sucked in and provide the attention those trolls thrive on.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Fluffy Cat on August 10, 2011, 08:25:18 PM
Hi Fluffy Cat, thank you  ;D it means a lot to me. I am feeling better. Things are getting on track, I missed the board and you guys. I could not stay away!!

I think reporting to mods or asking for clarification if you can is good... but all in all we have to work with the mods.

I'm sorry McCutie.  I could have sworn you posted that you were leaving the forum, but apparently I was mixing you up with someone else with an entirely different name. I'm not too bright sometimes.  :-X
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: McCutieBelle on August 10, 2011, 08:35:57 PM
Fluffy Cat, you are not wrong at all. I posted I was leaving and have not posted or been on for over a month!

I wanted to leave for a bit, because I just felt like no one really believed I have been pounding the pavement job searching and trying to get things straight in my life... but I realized that there are so many people on here, we are going to have differing opinions etc.. and I missed everyone, I am always interested in what is going on in EHell! This has just been a crazy year for me..... but it makes one stronger:)
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: dawbs on August 10, 2011, 08:38:17 PM
In other words, feeding this particular kind of troll would actually be continuing to give understanding and sympathetic advice--that's the "food" they seem to want most.  Once someone expresses their concerns publicly, I'd think this sort of troll would be much more likely to move on because few people would believe their stories and offer sympathy any more.

Good point, which is why I think a private message "Heads up" to posters getting overly involved and giving lots of attention to the troll can be a way to diffuse the situation. If it's done quietly in private messages, people just stop responding to the trolls post and eventually they get bored and go away.
The problem is that with a board as large as this one with a constant influx of new members, there is always new blood to be sucked in and provide the attention those trolls thrive on.
THis is rather where I get a touch concerned.
I'm a 'sporadic' poster.  I sometimes read and post regularly.  I almost always at least lurk regularly but don't always have the time to respond.
I highly doubt I'd get a PM...not that I'm not 'emotionally invested' (sometimes over PM to the 'troll' so well-meaning folks wouldn't know  :-[), but I don't wear my internet-heart on my avatar-sleeve, so to speak.

I don't want people calling shenanigans w/o cause or creating drama but just PMing those who appear to be involved leaves a very regrettable gap for many of the rest uf us to get sucked in, IMO.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Fluffy Cat on August 10, 2011, 08:42:35 PM
Fluffy Cat, you are not wrong at all. I posted I was leaving and have not posted or been on for over a month!


Now I'm really confused.  Glad to have you back though!!!  I didn't see the post I was thinking of when I looked for it to double check myself.  Maybe you did leave for a bit at the same time I read the goodbye forum post I'm thinking of.  I have a really hard time with the search function here sometimes.

Regardless, I'll drop it now.  I was just confused.  Glad to have you back!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: wolfie on August 10, 2011, 08:43:52 PM
In other words, feeding this particular kind of troll would actually be continuing to give understanding and sympathetic advice--that's the "food" they seem to want most.  Once someone expresses their concerns publicly, I'd think this sort of troll would be much more likely to move on because few people would believe their stories and offer sympathy any more.

Good point, which is why I think a private message "Heads up" to posters getting overly involved and giving lots of attention to the troll can be a way to diffuse the situation. If it's done quietly in private messages, people just stop responding to the trolls post and eventually they get bored and go away.
The problem is that with a board as large as this one with a constant influx of new members, there is always new blood to be sucked in and provide the attention those trolls thrive on.
THis is rather where I get a touch concerned.
I'm a 'sporadic' poster.  I sometimes read and post regularly.  I almost always at least lurk regularly but don't always have the time to respond.
I highly doubt I'd get a PM...not that I'm not 'emotionally invested' (sometimes over PM to the 'troll' so well-meaning folks wouldn't know  :-[), but I don't wear my internet-heart on my avatar-sleeve, so to speak.

I don't want people calling shenanigans w/o cause or creating drama but just PMing those who appear to be involved leaves a very regrettable gap for many of the rest uf us to get sucked in, IMO.

I agree with you on that.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: McCutieBelle on August 10, 2011, 08:45:25 PM
Fluffy cat, I think it was deleted, don't worry... I am glad to be back!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: cbcb on August 10, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
I wonder if the mods could give us a bit of a heads-up when this sort of alleged long involved story troll has been banned. I've seen "so-and-so will no longer be participating" a few times when it's a low-post, obvious troll, but rarely for one who is banned after posting her for awhile, particularly recently. It's left me very confused a number of times.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: kareng57 on August 10, 2011, 11:13:06 PM
All i can say is that I'm another person who was taken in by NEW and a couple of other posters but I've only just realised they were trolling so I'm feeling a bit daft. I'd like to know what the mods say we should do in the future.


I too wasn't aware of the NEW situation, but I'm not surprised.  I'm not saying that I was skeptical - I'm too gullible - :-\ - but I just couldn't find a way to keep responding to this person who had so many issues.

I know that on the old Delphooey board the mods sometimes posted info re who had been gagged, banned etc. but that doesn't happen anymore, and perhaps the mods have good reason.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: kareng57 on August 10, 2011, 11:17:12 PM
I must be super clueless, because I had no clue that either of the posters that were banned recently were lying.

I just like to assume that everyone is telling the truth. Its for the same reason that I like to believe that every person on the street corner that has asked me for money really needs it.

I am super clueless too, then, because I had no idea either.  And I'm here every day!

I'm generally pretty clueless, but NEW's stories and posts read like a Lifetime Movie. I know people really do have a lot of crazy things happen, but the timelines were off and everything was SO dramatic.


That's what's hard.  Sometimes truth is indeed stranger than fiction.

Personally I don't have the technology (and if I did, I wouldn't know what to do with it!) to see if posters are multi-posting their strange stories on other message boards.  That of course can be a red-flag.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: kareng57 on August 10, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
I must be super clueless, because I had no clue that either of the posters that were banned recently were lying.

I just like to assume that everyone is telling the truth. Its for the same reason that I like to believe that every person on the street corner that has asked me for money really needs it.

I am super clueless too, then, because I had no idea either.  And I'm here every day!

I'm generally pretty clueless, but NEW's stories and posts read like a Lifetime Movie. I know people really do have a lot of crazy things happen, but the timelines were off and everything was SO dramatic.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: kareng57 on August 10, 2011, 11:24:44 PM
In other words, feeding this particular kind of troll would actually be continuing to give understanding and sympathetic advice--that's the "food" they seem to want most.  Once someone expresses their concerns publicly, I'd think this sort of troll would be much more likely to move on because few people would believe their stories and offer sympathy any more.

Good point, which is why I think a private message "Heads up" to posters getting overly involved and giving lots of attention to the troll can be a way to diffuse the situation. If it's done quietly in private messages, people just stop responding to the trolls post and eventually they get bored and go away.


Hmm - I understand your response, mods make the rules and overall this is a very civilised boards....

But at the same time, I'm not convinced that PM messages only are the way to go.  That's not to say that I think posters here ought to freely posting "your story smells big-time, come off it".  However, I like the strategy of "okay, on Monday you said this, then on Tuesday you said that, now today you're saying something completely different.......some of us are having trouble undersanding" - that kind of thing.  If the poster decides to reply at all (quite possibly she won't) it will likely be riddled with even more inconsistencies, and she's in-effect outed herself.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: anonymoose on August 10, 2011, 11:26:37 PM
Oh dear. I had no clue about NEW and now feel simultaneously really sad and annoyed. Like a PP, I read most everything but don't always post, so I've never gotten any head's up PMs. This is the only forum I'm on, and I am apparently way too gullible  :-\
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Adios on August 10, 2011, 11:33:18 PM
Perhaps we should start a thread in the E-hell guide to never behaving badly folder of polite ways to out a suspicious poster  :)
We could have questions to ask and polite ways to ask them, ways to bring up other thread comparisons and asking for more details and other clever questions that better people than I can think of.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Tai on August 10, 2011, 11:33:36 PM
I've had more than my share of drama recently- a friend of mine joked that he would NEVER go see a movie made of the last couple years- since nobody would believe it.  However, the vast majority of stuff I haven't posted- I'm ticked enough that it happened in the first place, and I don't want to rehash it, KWIM?  Which is why I personally get the spideysenses tingling when there seems to be a pattern of super-quick posting. 

OTOH, I am very guilty of leaving out details, genderbending on occasion, changing the cake from chocolate to carrot, for the sake of anonymity and hoping I don't get "found".  I mean, I have been "reverse found" by ehellions in the past, but so far so good on RL people "finding" me here, if that makes sense. 
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: McCutieBelle on August 10, 2011, 11:35:21 PM
Don't feel so bad, I feel like some of the drama I have been through this past year or so seems very odd at times, sometimes truth IS stranger then fiction.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 10, 2011, 11:41:30 PM
I stopped believing NEW, and the most recent troll, some time before they were 'outed'. I just really didn't know what to do about it, so I backed away from their threads.

Besides glaring inconsistencies, the biggest red flags for trolls, I think, are the fact that they always seem to post about 'hot button' topics. For example: MILs overstepping boundaries, people trying to 'test' their allergies, outrageous registries, pregnancy dramas, and anything that sends a person into 'mama bear' (ugh) mode.

Another thing is, they always act incredibly graciously and stoically in any given situation. Even ones where a real person would have long since stopped posting on eHell about it, and sought professional or legal advice.

Oh, and then there's the timeline thing, and the 'my entire life is a drama but I bounce back amazingly quickly' element.  ::)

The tricky thing, of course, is what to do about it. It does make me cringe to see people being taken in, but I never want to say anything because I have that 1% of doubt. Also because we may never know the truth, and I don't want to start an angry backlash against myself if I PM someone saying, 'hey, do you think so-and-so is a bit suss?' and *they* think I'm just being nasty and suspicious, KWIM?
This thread is, therefore, very enlightening.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ligeia on August 10, 2011, 11:53:13 PM
OTOH, I am very guilty of leaving out details, genderbending on occasion, changing the cake from chocolate to carrot, for the sake of anonymity and hoping I don't get "found".  I mean, I have been "reverse found" by ehellions in the past, but so far so good on RL people "finding" me here, if that makes sense.

That's the other thing--while I was 99% sure NEW was making it all up, I'm still not sure whether it's a fact that the poster who inspired this thread is a troll and/or the same person as NEW.  Apparently lots of other posters were suspicious, but is there any concrete proof besides some inconsistency and drama?  I think it's acceptable to change some details for anonymity's sake--so what if a poster gets called out when she/he is only doing that?  But note: I'm not doubting anyone about their suspicions on this one; I guess I'm just curious, because I never had suspicions there.  Then again, I don't think I ever read many of her posts.

So I do think the mods have their hands tied; if they say it's totally fine to call shenanigans within threads, it could turn ugly, with posters taking sides and the OP going away really hurt if the suspicions are actually unfounded. 

Still, I'd like to know--especially since, with NEW, I apparently very stupidly thought I and one other poster were the only suspicious ones!

ETA:
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The tricky thing, of course, is what to do about it. It does make me cringe to see people being taken in, but I never want to say anything because I have that 1% of doubt. Also because we may never know the truth, and I don't want to start an angry backlash against myself if I PM someone saying, 'hey, do you think so-and-so is a bit suss?' and *they* think I'm just being nasty and suspicious, KWIM?

Exactly!  I was absolutely sure I'd be flamed if I said anything about NEW; people seemed to care about her that much. 

Another edit: Just so no one thinks I'm a real idiot, I'd like to say that I just reread Kinseyanne's locked thread--and wow, does that whole thing sound made up.  Nevermind.    :)
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 12:00:26 AM
Still, I'd like to know--especially since, as with NEW, I apparently very stupidly thought I and one other poster were the only suspicious ones!

And I thought it was only me!

Part of the problem is that trolls manage to drum up a lot of sympathy/empathy. They often post about highly emotive situations. The NEW drama was a prime example - because of the nature of her claims (chronic illness, childhood assault victim, adult sexual assault victim, the list goes on - which was part of her downfall, in the end), it was very hard to question her without looking like a judgmental monster.

Of course, there is also the possibility that there is a grain of truth in among the lies, and nobody wants to call someone out for the wrong thing.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ligeia on August 11, 2011, 12:07:54 AM
Part of the problem is that trolls manage to drum up a lot of sympathy/empathy. They often post about highly emotive situations. The NEW drama was a prime example - because of the nature of her claims (chronic illness, childhood assault victim, adult sexual assault victim, the list goes on - which was part of her downfall, in the end), it was very hard to question her without looking like a judgmental monster.

Yeah--and the other thing that occurred to me after I reported her is that she must have some sort of psychological issue related to rape and pregnancy, and that's sad in itself.  Something very well could have happened to her along these lines, and if getting people to write supportive stuff to her online is helpful in some way, who am I to be a tattletale?  As long as people aren't sending her money or taking time out of their lives . . .  And if NEW and KA are one and the same, that's even stronger proof that she has some serious issues with pregnancy.

Then again, I understand the argument that the emotional investment some posters put into each other is as costly as anything else.  That's why NEW bothered me so much; she was exploiting so many deeply personal and troubling issues, and getting posters to talk about their own.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Adios on August 11, 2011, 12:17:52 AM
I always worry more about calling out a poster when they have a high post count like NEW (just think of the time & energy that went into trolling there!) and she did give some good and well researched advice, if only she used her brain for good instead of evil, anyway I digress...  The high post count really puts me off and makes me doubt myself so I usually don't say anything, I just disengage from those posters threads.

There was another poster here a while ago (I think her name was Cherryripe) who I assumed was a troll, but gee her threads were entertaining, I had no "evidence" and eventually she blew herself up, I'm sure the mods were on to it faster than I was.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: bansidhe on August 11, 2011, 01:05:02 AM
I stopped believing NEW, and the most recent troll, some time before they were 'outed'. I just really didn't know what to do about it, so I backed away from their threads.

I must have missed NEW's posts, but I was very suspicious about the most recent offender. Like you, I had no clue what to do about it and backed away, hoping that eventually, the person would arouse the suspicions of more and more people.

This may be sad to say, but my suspicion meter is pegged the minute someone posts a "Someone's threatening/speaking ill of/discriminating against my baaaaaby" post - especially when there are a lot of posts along these lines from the same person. Seems like pregnancy drama is a frequent topic of choice for trolls.

Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Chinchillazilla on August 11, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
I always worry more about calling out a poster when they have a high post count like NEW (just think of the time & energy that went into trolling there!) and she did give some good and well researched advice, if only she used her brain for good instead of evil, anyway I digress...  The high post count really puts me off and makes me doubt myself so I usually don't say anything, I just disengage from those posters threads.

That's how I feel, too. I know it's not really how we do things, but I have this hierarchical mindset about post counts. I feel like people with more posts than me "outrank" me and will have more support. I feel like this on every forum, so it's nothing against anyone here. :P
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Yvaine on August 11, 2011, 01:21:33 AM

1) Everything seems to happen on a condensed timescale; they are posting faster than they should for things to happen naturally;


I think this is a really big one--because trolls post at the speed that keeps themselves interested in the "story" (and keeps others hooked on the updates), and sometimes lose track of how long things would usually take in reality.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: twiggy on August 11, 2011, 02:41:39 AM
That's how I feel, too. I know it's not really how we do things, but I have this hierarchical mindset about post counts. I feel like people with more posts than me "outrank" me and will have more support. I feel like this on every forum, so it's nothing against anyone here. :P

I feel that way too. Sometimes being the newbie lurker makes me feel like people won't believe me, or like I should just keep my mouth shut. OTOH, I don't like posting just for the sake of bumping my numbers. Since most of what I want to say is said by the time I read a thread, I don't feel like I have anything to add to the discussion. So I go back into my corner and keep lurking with my tiny, double digit post count  :D
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 02:49:42 AM
That's how I feel, too. I know it's not really how we do things, but I have this hierarchical mindset about post counts. I feel like people with more posts than me "outrank" me and will have more support. I feel like this on every forum, so it's nothing against anyone here. :P

I feel that way too. Sometimes being the newbie lurker makes me feel like people won't believe me, or like I should just keep my mouth shut. OTOH, I don't like posting just for the sake of bumping my numbers. Since most of what I want to say is said by the time I read a thread, I don't feel like I have anything to add to the discussion. So I go back into my corner and keep lurking with my tiny, double digit post count  :D

That's interesting - I've never even thought about that! Personally, I pay no attention to post count. Of course, if I don't recognize a poster's name, I'll automatically glance at their count and think, oh, that's 'cause they've only posted 14 times, or whatever. But I'm well aware that lots of people do a lot of lurking and not so much typing (unlike outspoken motormouths motorfingers like myself  ;D).
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: iridaceae on August 11, 2011, 03:47:09 AM
There was another poster here a while ago (I think her name was Cherryripe) who I assumed was a troll, but gee her threads were entertaining, I had no "evidence" and eventually she blew herself up, I'm sure the mods were on to it faster than I was.

I never thought CherryRipe was a troll; just very self-centered and rigid in her outlook and unwilling or unable to be very empathetic or flexible.  Also her lack of etiquette was rather glaring.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: strangetimes on August 11, 2011, 03:55:48 AM
That's how I feel, too. I know it's not really how we do things, but I have this hierarchical mindset about post counts. I feel like people with more posts than me "outrank" me and will have more support. I feel like this on every forum, so it's nothing against anyone here. :P

I feel that way too. Sometimes being the newbie lurker makes me feel like people won't believe me, or like I should just keep my mouth shut. OTOH, I don't like posting just for the sake of bumping my numbers. Since most of what I want to say is said by the time I read a thread, I don't feel like I have anything to add to the discussion. So I go back into my corner and keep lurking with my tiny, double digit post count  :D

That's interesting - I've never even thought about that! Personally, I pay no attention to post count. Of course, if I don't recognize a poster's name, I'll automatically glance at their count and think, oh, that's 'cause they've only posted 14 times, or whatever. But I'm well aware that lots of people do a lot of lurking and not so much typing (unlike outspoken motormouths motorfingers like myself  ;D).

There are probably a lot of people like me- I've been lurking for a *long* time and only recently registered. Even now , while I read a good portion of the threads, I only comment if I feel I have something to add to the discussion.

I had no idea that NEW wasn't legit, or Kinseyanne, for that matter. Just because people aren't posting in the thread, doesn't mean they aren't getting invested.

I'm also one of the totally gullible ones- that may be because so much of my life would seem absurd if I put pen to paper, so I tend to believe all kinds of crazy things.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 04:15:16 AM
There was another poster here a while ago (I think her name was Cherryripe) who I assumed was a troll, but gee her threads were entertaining, I had no "evidence" and eventually she blew herself up, I'm sure the mods were on to it faster than I was.

I never thought CherryRipe was a troll; just very self-centered and rigid in her outlook and unwilling or unable to be very empathetic or flexible.  Also her lack of etiquette was rather glaring.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing, iridaceae. I assumed that she got banned because she didn't listen to anything anyone said, which drove other posters nuts, to the point that she was just an annoyance rather than an asset.

Naturally, I could be completely wrong about that.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Goodnight Kiwi on August 11, 2011, 04:32:20 AM
There was another poster here a while ago (I think her name was Cherryripe) who I assumed was a troll, but gee her threads were entertaining, I had no "evidence" and eventually she blew herself up, I'm sure the mods were on to it faster than I was.

I never thought CherryRipe was a troll; just very self-centered and rigid in her outlook and unwilling or unable to be very empathetic or flexible.  Also her lack of etiquette was rather glaring.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing, iridaceae. I assumed that she got banned because she didn't listen to anything anyone said, which drove other posters nuts, to the point that she was just an annoyance rather than an asset.

Naturally, I could be completely wrong about that.

I was thinking Cherryripe was the reincarnation of another poster, banned long ago...

But yes, I did find her posts incredibly entertaining (if also incredibly frustrating).
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 04:35:34 AM
There was another poster here a while ago (I think her name was Cherryripe) who I assumed was a troll, but gee her threads were entertaining, I had no "evidence" and eventually she blew herself up, I'm sure the mods were on to it faster than I was.

I never thought CherryRipe was a troll; just very self-centered and rigid in her outlook and unwilling or unable to be very empathetic or flexible.  Also her lack of etiquette was rather glaring.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing, iridaceae. I assumed that she got banned because she didn't listen to anything anyone said, which drove other posters nuts, to the point that she was just an annoyance rather than an asset.

Naturally, I could be completely wrong about that.

I was thinking Cherryripe was the reincarnation of another poster, banned long ago...

But yes, I did find her posts incredibly entertaining (if also incredibly frustrating).

Actually, so did I - I was in the throes of posting in a thread when she was banned, and I admit I was a bit disappointed  ;)
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: iridaceae on August 11, 2011, 05:04:38 AM
Actually, so did I - I was in the throes of posting in a thread when she was banned, and I admit I was a bit disappointed  ;)

She made me cringe more than anything.  Just so...gauche if I can be excused for being trite.

She may have been a troll from long, long ago; I am only a relative newcomer here, all things considered.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 11, 2011, 05:06:51 AM
Please tell me Kinseyanne didn't lie. :(
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: EduardosGirl on August 11, 2011, 06:10:40 AM
Please tell me Kinseyanne didn't lie. :(

Like a rug, it would seem.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Zilla on August 11, 2011, 06:40:22 AM
Actually, so did I - I was in the throes of posting in a thread when she was banned, and I admit I was a bit disappointed  ;)

She made me cringe more than anything.  Just so...gauche if I can be excused for being trite.

She may have been a troll from long, long ago; I am only a relative newcomer here, all things considered.


Anyone remember IndianInlaw?  She made me cringe with her daily posts of nonsense.  I often came away wondering what the heck?  Would that be considered trolling for attention?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 11, 2011, 06:41:16 AM
Please tell me Kinseyanne didn't lie. :(

Like a rug, it would seem.

Ha. Read the spin off about fakers on line and real life lol. I remember 2 from a chat site I used to frequent!! Interesting though, the way people use the net to hide behind and create a whole new identity and life. You get the people who do it for a kick (bored with their life, want to come across as more interesting?), people who do it for sinister reasons and people who do it for sympathy. I feel sorry for the latter group most of all. :( They must have real problems in order to try and garner sympathy through lies.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on August 11, 2011, 06:44:13 AM
For me, part of the reason that I don't pick up on trollers is that I don't look or read eerything.  The thread that got locked yesterday, I hadn't bothered to look at because the title was uninteresting.  I only looked at it because it did get locked, and how could such a boring thread get locked.  I wasn't een aware that KA was claiming to have miscarried.

Yes, I remember Indian-In-Law.  'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Zilla on August 11, 2011, 06:45:58 AM


Yes, I remember Indian-In-Law.  'Nuff said.


 ;)


Yeah she was confusing!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 11, 2011, 06:50:39 AM
I think my BS detector needs recharging so I can sniff out these trolls!!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: EduardosGirl on August 11, 2011, 06:55:22 AM


Yes, I remember Indian-In-Law.  'Nuff said.


 ;)


Yeah she was confusing!

I think she was before my time but I went back and read some of her threads. Not thrilling.

But was she banned for starting/participating in a flame war with another board?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: SiotehCat on August 11, 2011, 06:56:08 AM
Can someone please PM me and tell me who they think CherryRipe was? I am clueless there too.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: iridaceae on August 11, 2011, 06:57:59 AM
Can someone please PM me and tell me who they think CherryRipe was? I am clueless there too.

I'd appreciate one, too.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Shores on August 11, 2011, 07:03:10 AM
CherryRipe was the reincarnation of FreakyFemme and I believe she had one other name as well.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Zilla on August 11, 2011, 07:03:24 AM


Yes, I remember Indian-In-Law.  'Nuff said.


 ;)


Yeah she was confusing!

I think she was before my time but I went back and read some of her threads. Not thrilling.

But was she banned for starting/participating in a flame war with another board?


I didn't even realized she was banned till someone else had mentioned it months later.  I just thought she ran out of nonsense to post about. 


I never saw those flame wars.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: bobsyouruncle on August 11, 2011, 07:10:29 AM
yeah I remember posters talking about IndianInLaw - she tried to flame the fires of a "war" that wasn't THEN came back to brag about it - pretty dumb if you ask me!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 07:12:44 AM
CherryRipe was the reincarnation of FreakyFemme and I believe she had one other name as well.

Ooh, interesting! I wasn't around in the FreakyFemme days - I just thought CR was a poster with bad interpersonal and communication skills.

How did anyone figure out the connection between CR and FF? Is it and IP address thing, or what?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Oxymoroness on August 11, 2011, 07:15:52 AM
I've had more than my share of drama recently- a friend of mine joked that he would NEVER go see a movie made of the last couple years- since nobody would believe it.  However, the vast majority of stuff I haven't posted- I'm ticked enough that it happened in the first place, and I don't want to rehash it, KWIM?  Which is why I personally get the spideysenses tingling when there seems to be a pattern of super-quick posting. 

OTOH, I am very guilty of leaving out details, genderbending on occasion, changing the cake from chocolate to carrot, for the sake of anonymity and hoping I don't get "found".  I mean, I have been "reverse found" by ehellions in the past, but so far so good on RL people "finding" me here, if that makes sense.

Tai, you've been through plenty and sadly, I also have more "stranger truth than fiction" stories myself. Sometimes it's kept me from posting too.  :-\
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: flo on August 11, 2011, 07:16:06 AM
Wow, so NEW was a troll.  I kind of thought her pregnancy story was unusual but does that mean everything she posted about was untrue?

She and I PMed a bit and I felt like she had such a great understanding of navigating life with a disability.  I felt like she really knew where I was coming from with figuring things out for teaching my DD to be both safe and polite.  How does someone fake that?

I am really hurt and feel like a total idiot.

If someone has more information about her and the truth, could they please PM me?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Bob Ducca on August 11, 2011, 08:02:51 AM
CherryRipe was the reincarnation of FreakyFemme and I believe she had one other name as well.

Ooh, interesting! I wasn't around in the FreakyFemme days - I just thought CR was a poster with bad interpersonal and communication skills.

How did anyone figure out the connection between CR and FF? Is it and IP address thing, or what?

FF's profile had her e-mail listed, which, when googled, led to the information online.  Had CR not posted such continuous nonsense, she probably would have gotten by with it, but their posting styles and quantities were similar enough to raise eyebrows, and from there it was easy.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: blue2000 on August 11, 2011, 08:05:39 AM
Wow, so NEW was a troll.  I kind of thought her pregnancy story was unusual but does that mean everything she posted about was untrue?

She and I PMed a bit and I felt like she had such a great understanding of navigating life with a disability.  I felt like she really knew where I was coming from with figuring things out for teaching my DD to be both safe and polite.  How does someone fake that?

I am really hurt and feel like a total idiot.

If someone has more information about her and the truth, could they please PM me?

Trolls don't always post lies. They can be very smart and savvy, with some good advice. That's why people get taken in so well.

CherryRipe was the reincarnation of FreakyFemme and I believe she had one other name as well.

Ooh, interesting! I wasn't around in the FreakyFemme days - I just thought CR was a poster with bad interpersonal and communication skills.

How did anyone figure out the connection between CR and FF? Is it and IP address thing, or what?

This is news to me, too, and I remember FreakyFemme! :-[ :P
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: LadyL on August 11, 2011, 08:15:14 AM
I found the thread where I asked a medical forum about NEW. I know it's the internet but personally I believed their take on it and thought that Aura's interpretation was probably in the ballpark of the truth.

http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html (http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html)
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on August 11, 2011, 08:17:10 AM
I have an excellent in-person BS detector but apparently, it doesn't work on-line.

Part of it is that I'm so uncreative that I can't imagine making up these stories.  But I don't think I get as invested as some because I am not a very empathetic person.  Don't get me wrong; when the excrement hits the fan, I'm there for friends and family but my feelings don't get very involved.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 08:19:47 AM
I found the thread where I asked a medical forum about NEW. I know it's the internet but personally I believed their take on it and thought that Aura's interpretation was probably in the ballpark of the truth.

http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html (http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html)

Wow, that's fascinating. Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: TychaBrahe on August 11, 2011, 08:22:40 AM
I just wish "calling shenanigans" wasn't so serious.  It reminds me of the scene in South Park's "Cow Days" episode where Kyle tells Officer Barbrady that he wants to call shenanigans on the carnival operator.

It's so CUTE.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: girlysprite on August 11, 2011, 08:42:39 AM
The worst thing about trolls, paired with the fact that they play the emotional strings, is that they make it harder for others to be taken seriously. Sometimes loads of bad things happen to people within a short timespan. Now some of them might be afraid to share it all, afraid that it will come across as fake.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: squashedfrog on August 11, 2011, 08:43:33 AM
whoa, I've seriously missed a thread or something, Kinseyanne and NEW were trolls? 

Could someone PM me a link if thats OK by admin?  If not no worries. 

One thing that always struck me on here was that I thought it was a pretty troll free zone, I used to go on the wedding and some hobby ones that you couldn't swing a billy-goat in without hitting a troll, I really must not have been paying attention ;(
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: blue2000 on August 11, 2011, 08:44:15 AM
I found the thread where I asked a medical forum about NEW. I know it's the internet but personally I believed their take on it and thought that Aura's interpretation was probably in the ballpark of the truth.

http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html (http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html)

Ouch! :-\

I know people IRL that could fit some of those descriptions (other than having twins) and they are not lying. But then, there is no way they would post much of this online, either - they don't like discussing it, and they know people don't always believe this stuff. So it is the trolls that win this one. Kind of a bad situation all around. :(
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Poirot on August 11, 2011, 08:45:53 AM
This issue has brought up a related one for me, specifically, and I wonder if you guys could offer me some tips and/or perspective on it.

I have had several very dramatic things going on in my life in recent months. Both I and my oldest son are ill, a family member is a victim of abuse, I am having trouble with my partner, etc. I occasionally change minor details for privacy's sake, but never essentials.

How do I avoid looking like an attention seeking troll? Do I stop posting? Offer more personal info? Develop more PM/RL friendships with ehellions?

I receive so much love and support here that I would hate to lose it. I am much more hesitant to share such personal stuff with people who know me in real life, and I am very wary of gossip (or worse, pity) in RL.

Just once (months ago) I received a slightly accusatory email from a poster who I haven't seen in awhile, along the lines of "really????" after a post I had made where someone had attempted to steal my wallet. It makes me wonder if I am inadvertently looking like a troll.

Ideas?

Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Yvaine on August 11, 2011, 08:46:41 AM
There was another poster here a while ago (I think her name was Cherryripe) who I assumed was a troll, but gee her threads were entertaining, I had no "evidence" and eventually she blew herself up, I'm sure the mods were on to it faster than I was.

I never thought CherryRipe was a troll; just very self-centered and rigid in her outlook and unwilling or unable to be very empathetic or flexible.  Also her lack of etiquette was rather glaring.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing, iridaceae. I assumed that she got banned because she didn't listen to anything anyone said, which drove other posters nuts, to the point that she was just an annoyance rather than an asset.


IIRC, when she was banned, she was in the middle of threadjacking someone else's thread for about 10 pages to complain about people being inconsiderate about her vegetarianism, and resisting any effort to haul the thread back onto the rails.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Wavicle on August 11, 2011, 08:49:51 AM
I will go ahead and post the link to kinseyanne's tread where she was called out considering she has been named several times anyways and Tricia reffered to it, sorry for not doing it earlier. I am unsure if it was locked because of lies, or because of the way she was being called out (or both).

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=99872.0

I remember her thread about losing th ebaby being locked, and I had assumed it was because of medical advice even though I was aware that she had a lot of OTT stories. I had assumed it wasn't lying because she was not banned, and other posts were allowed to stand as they went up.

I was suspicious of both, but did not know that they were trolls. Like I said, I give support because someone else may benefit and I figure as long as I am not too invested if I get burned once or twice it is worth it to be nice to everyone I am moved to on this board for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: iridaceae on August 11, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
There was another poster here a while ago (I think her name was Cherryripe) who I assumed was a troll, but gee her threads were entertaining, I had no "evidence" and eventually she blew herself up, I'm sure the mods were on to it faster than I was.

I never thought CherryRipe was a troll; just very self-centered and rigid in her outlook and unwilling or unable to be very empathetic or flexible.  Also her lack of etiquette was rather glaring.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing, iridaceae. I assumed that she got banned because she didn't listen to anything anyone said, which drove other posters nuts, to the point that she was just an annoyance rather than an asset.


IIRC, when she was banned, she was in the middle of threadjacking someone else's thread for about 10 pages to complain about people being inconsiderate about her vegetarianism, and resisting any effort to haul the thread back onto the rails.

I remember she was being very rude about a fellow international student whom she did not like and felt, therefore, that no one else should like student either and that was the day before she banned.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Shoo on August 11, 2011, 08:55:05 AM
Re:  Kinseyanne.  Just because her thread got locked doesn't mean she is a troll.  She has not been banned and is still active on the forum (though not posting, but I'd be leery of posting, too, if I were accused of what she's being accused of).

I've not seen anything from a moderator regarding this poster in particular.  Can anyone offer proof of what is being stated here?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: flo on August 11, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
I found the thread where I asked a medical forum about NEW. I know it's the internet but personally I believed their take on it and thought that Aura's interpretation was probably in the ballpark of the truth.

http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html (http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html)

Interesting LadyL!  You didn't mention her food allergies and rare heart condition, that I believe required surgery or multiple surgeries!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on August 11, 2011, 08:56:07 AM
Poirot, I think the easiest way to not look like a troll is to tell as much of the truth as you can and to stick to true timelines.  Try not to change the obscuring detail from one post to the next.  Like if you are changing the relationship of an Aunt to your cousin, the next post should still talk about your cousin.

The biggest flag, though, is timelines so if you are sticking to an accurate timeline, it won't raise any flags.

From the website Lady L posted, I have to say, I'm more than a little offended by some of the postings.  I have fibromyalgia.  I am not a malingerer; it is not all in my head.  People who know other people with fibro are surprised I work full time, garden, ski, play softball, etc.  Sure, I have bad days but I'm too dang stubborn to sit back and not do anything.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Jaelle on August 11, 2011, 09:06:54 AM
This issue has brought up a related one for me, specifically, and I wonder if you guys could offer me some tips and/or perspective on it.

I have had several very dramatic things going on in my life in recent months. Both I and my oldest son are ill, a family member is a victim of abuse, I am having trouble with my partner, etc. I occasionally change minor details for privacy's sake, but never essentials.

How do I avoid looking like an attention seeking troll? Do I stop posting? Offer more personal info? Develop more PM/RL friendships with ehellions?

I receive so much love and support here that I would hate to lose it. I am much more hesitant to share such personal stuff with people who know me in real life, and I am very wary of gossip (or worse, pity) in RL.

Just once (months ago) I received a slightly accusatory email from a poster who I haven't seen in awhile, along the lines of "really????" after a post I had made where someone had attempted to steal my wallet. It makes me wonder if I am inadvertently looking like a troll.

Ideas?

I can only speak for myself, but, Poirot, I wouldn't change anything.

My BS meter got set off by both the PP mentioned. But ... how can I say this? ... there's a difference between attention-seeking posters and those simply needing support.  I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it, but I think many of us see it. A certain ... realism? grit? .. that trolls just can't achieve.

(Heh. My life revolves around words and I'm having a hard time coming up with them here. Can anyone else do better?)
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: flo on August 11, 2011, 09:08:14 AM
I will go ahead and post the link to kinseyanne's tread where she was called out considering she has been named several times anyways and Tricia reffered to it, sorry for not doing it earlier. I am unsure if it was locked because of lies, or because of the way she was being called out (or both).

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=99872.0

I remember her thread about losing th ebaby being locked, and I had assumed it was because of medical advice even though I was aware that she had a lot of OTT stories. I had assumed it wasn't lying because she was not banned, and other posts were allowed to stand as they went up.

I was suspicious of both, but did not know that they were trolls. Like I said, I give support because someone else may benefit and I figure as long as I am not too invested if I get burned once or twice it is worth it to be nice to everyone I am moved to on this board for whatever reason.

OK, post 54 is very interesting in that thread! 
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: ShadesOfGrey on August 11, 2011, 09:08:51 AM
This is going back a few pages, but I wanted to say that while I understand the impulse to want to protect members of the community (and I've sent a few  "I think she's a troll" PM's myself when I've seen someone seemingly over-drawn into a drama, as suggested by a mod), I do think we each have a responsibility ourselves not to get sucked in - this is, afterall, an anonymous internet board at the end of the day. 

If you havent met the person in real life, done some googling on their blog/email/etc., known them for a very long time, you really shouldnt be donating money you're not willing to lose, or investing emotionally to an extent that it will sour your time on the forum, imo.  As the saying goes - "On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog."

I think a few well-phrased "OP, you said this on Y date, and that on X date - can you clarify?", a report to the mods, and some thoughtful PMs are all really great tools to deal with the not-so-obvious trolls. 
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: LadyL on August 11, 2011, 09:08:55 AM
Outdoorgirl - fibro is one of the easiest diseases to fake and many drug seekers fake it to get pills. A lot of medical forums refer to this stereotype as a sort of shorthand. But it's more that acting like a SS AND claiming to have fibro raises suspicion. Someone as active as you are is taken as much more credible usually. It's the patients who refuse to exercise/modify lifestyle, only want narcotic pain relievers, and are PITA drama queens who get the "oh yeah, SURE you have fibro" attitude.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: shhh its me on August 11, 2011, 09:10:37 AM
   For me one of the things that gets my Troll meter going is when unrelated groups of people in a poster's life have the same "nut ball" button.  I can believe your mother and her sisters all have the same basic issues. If you parents are toxic your spouse is toxic and you chose toxic friends(since toxic is normally to you , why wouldn't your friends be toxic) but when you're  neighbros , cashiers , coworkers , people you met in line are toxic about the same issues ,I'm suspicious; When you seem to live in a town Stephen King created to give Emily Post nightmares, then I start to think it's you.

I'm also a little suspicious when a approaching toxic, blunt, forceful ,rude and pushy person(in a variety of ways, about a varity of things) makes a total reversal to respectful and polite without conversation or with just a single phrase uttered once.

I don't notcie post counts too much unless it's someone first few posts and it's way way out there.  ie  I had a party some damage was done to my home a person  intetional started in the livingroom , spray painted on the walls ,  peed on the couch  while saying "F your stuip couch you #$%&" and kicked my dog, he also aet all the chips. The house has been repaired and my husband want to invite this person back (husband wiould have to go pick him up as he doesn't have a car it's a 400 mile drice) I think people deserve second chances but I'm not sure if I want this person back in my home, how can I politely tell my husband not to go pick him up or tell friend if he does come not to eat all the chips?
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 09:13:18 AM
I'm not sure how to explain this, but I truly don't think that posters who are not trolls, are in much danger of being mistaken for trolls.

It's not just the types of stories, or just inconsistencies in timelines, or just the fact that details get changed from one thread to another. It's nearly always a combination of those types of things, plus posting style, plus a love of drama that shows through. And often, trolls don't interact normally with other posters because they're usually narcissistic, and are only interested in threads in which they are the centre of attention.

Not that I'm any kind of troll expert, these are just my own observations.

Poirot, FWIW, I can't imagine anyone mistaking you for a troll.  :) Please don't feel you have to change anything. I hate to think that this thread would make anyone feel bad because of what some of us have posted in it.  :(

ETA: elephantschild, I think we're trying to say the same thing. I didn't do too well at it, either!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: flo on August 11, 2011, 09:14:54 AM
So, if you suspect that a poster is a former troll, but have nothing to back that up, would you report it to the mods?  I think what is giving me the feeling is similar writing styles but there is nothing super obvious!

Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Poirot on August 11, 2011, 09:17:29 AM
Thanks Shoo! I've never given much thought to timelines, because I'm posting things as they actually happen. Sometimes much later because I don't have the time or energy to post about them right away. I have thought more about it lately, because I'm home and have more time to read and post than before.

I think I'm also going to invite posters to ask me any questions they'd like if they are concerned, though.

Until all this happened, I had never really given it much thought. It makes me wonder what happened to the poster who sent me the email, and why did she disappear, though.

ETA thanks Spoder and elephantschild too, who posted while I was typing!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: shhh its me on August 11, 2011, 09:17:43 AM
I found the thread where I asked a medical forum about NEW. I know it's the internet but personally I believed their take on it and thought that Aura's interpretation was probably in the ballpark of the truth.

http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html (http://crass-pollination-forum.2287843.n4.nabble.com/Malingerer-td3412394.html)

Interesting LadyL!  You didn't mention her food allergies and rare heart condition, that I believe required surgery or multiple surgeries!

I thought NEW also claimed to be on spectrum.   I remember the allergy it was to anyhing from the sea , including all fish, sea salt and seeweed and I think she was allergic to someting else too.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Shoo on August 11, 2011, 09:18:00 AM


Yes, I remember Indian-In-Law.  'Nuff said.


 ;)


Yeah she was confusing!

I think she was before my time but I went back and read some of her threads. Not thrilling.

But was she banned for starting/participating in a flame war with another board?

She was banned for a mistake that she made.  She was not a "troll."

Just because someone's threads aren't as exciting or as relevant as you would like them to be, it doesn't make that person a troll.  I liked IndianInlaw.  She made me laugh on many occasions.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: jimithing on August 11, 2011, 09:21:28 AM

She was banned for a mistake that she made. 


I think that is putting it mildly. I don't think she was a troll, but she basically started a forum war.

And yeah, CherryRipe and FreakyFemme were the same person. Someone alerted me to the possibility and through her email, I found her FB page, and it was more than clear that they were the same person.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Shoo on August 11, 2011, 09:23:28 AM

She was banned for a mistake that she made. 


I think that is putting it mildly. I don't think she was a troll, but she basically started a forum war.


I didn't say it wasn't a serious mistake, but I do not believe she set out to start a forum war.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Hollanda on August 11, 2011, 09:26:14 AM
Outdoorgirl - fibro is one of the easiest diseases to fake and many drug seekers fake it to get pills. A lot of medical forums refer to this stereotype as a sort of shorthand. But it's more that acting like a SS AND claiming to have fibro raises suspicion. Someone as active as you are is taken as much more credible usually. It's the patients who refuse to exercise/modify lifestyle, only want narcotic pain relievers, and are PITA drama queens who get the "oh yeah, SURE you have fibro" attitude.

People who fake neurological illnesses give the real sufferers a bad name, leading others to be forever suspicious.   >:(
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on August 11, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
I'm definitely not a drug seeker.   ;D  The only thing that works for me is ibuprofen.  Codeine might as well be candy, demoral makes me extremely loopy but doesn't kill the pain and the acetominophin base for most of the rest of the narcotics might as well be the equivalent of 12 cups of coffee.  Which, you know, is fantastic for fibro sufferers.   :P
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 09:29:54 AM
   
I don't notcie post counts too much unless it's someone first few posts and it's way way out there.  ie  I had a party some damage was done to my home a person  intetional started in the livingroom , spray painted on the walls ,  peed on the couch  while saying "F your stuip couch you #$%&" and kicked my dog, he also aet all the chips. The house has been repaired and my husband want to invite this person back (husband wiould have to go pick him up as he doesn't have a car it's a 400 mile drice) I think people deserve second chances but I'm not sure if I want this person back in my home, how can I politely tell my husband not to go pick him up or tell friend if he does come not to eat all the chips?

Oh, wow...  ;D sorry...I'm laughing 'til I'm just about sick over here....
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: blue2000 on August 11, 2011, 09:31:11 AM
Outdoorgirl - fibro is one of the easiest diseases to fake and many drug seekers fake it to get pills. A lot of medical forums refer to this stereotype as a sort of shorthand. But it's more that acting like a SS AND claiming to have fibro raises suspicion. Someone as active as you are is taken as much more credible usually. It's the patients who refuse to exercise/modify lifestyle, only want narcotic pain relievers, and are PITA drama queens who get the "oh yeah, SURE you have fibro" attitude.

LOL! ITA!

Of all the people with medical problems that I know, there is only one that I have to say "Whaaa??" whenever she talks about her problems - because apparently her doctor tells her she shouldn't be doing *anything* for her fibro/arthritis/etc. - she should get as little exercise as possible and not go on any special diet (she's overweight). And it is a big drama scene whenever she has to do anything!

I am perfectly willing to believe she has medical problems, but I don't have any sympathy for her.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Yvaine on August 11, 2011, 09:32:09 AM
Thanks Shoo! I've never given much thought to timelines, because I'm posting things as they actually happen.

Yeah, but if the story's real, the timeline will sort of take care of itself, kwim? Even if you don't remember exact details, it'll make basic sense.

In retrospect, I remember KA posting when she shouldn't have been online at all, given her condition at the time, and when called on it she told a story about having just up and walked out of the hospital against medical advice.

Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: gramma dishes on August 11, 2011, 09:36:51 AM
I am glad that some names are being named because I was fooled by NEW and was toying with the idea of emailing her and seeing if she was okay. Now I won't bother embarrassing myself like that.

You wouldn't have been alone.  I also was taken in by her story(ies) and thought about sending her a private message.  I was genuinely concerned for her.  I guess I'm super ultra gullible, but I never questioned a word of it. 

I'm kind of glad to know I wasn't the only one.  But that doesn't make it any less sad.   :(
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: jibby on August 11, 2011, 09:37:52 AM
Wow, I am really dense.   :-[  Like others, I had no idea about NEW.  I really liked FreakyFemme and had wondered what happened to her.

Poirot, I feel the same as you do, and greatly appreciate all who responded to your concerns.  Last year was such a roller-coaster for me - if someone else related it to me, I might not believe them.  I hadn't posted much about it, only partly bc it's so emotionally draining to "re-live" it, although I truly cherish the support I get here (and I have a very hard time discussing certain problems IRL since I'm supposed to be everyone else's sounding board).

I liked IndianInlaw, too.  I don't think she was a troll, honestly.  But then, see above, I'm dense.  :P

I don't always post when I'm emotionally invested in a topic/poster, mainly bc others say it so much better than I can.  So the PM suggestions wouldn't work for me.  But I understand that the mods need to do what's best for the forum overall and whatever they decide is cool.  Ticia's post did make good points and I appreciate that she responded.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Poirot on August 11, 2011, 09:38:47 AM
I'm definitely not a drug seeker.   ;D  The only thing that works for me is ibuprofen.  Codeine might as well be candy, demoral makes me extremely loopy but doesn't kill the pain and the acetominophin base for most of the rest of the narcotics might as well be the equivalent of 12 cups of coffee.  Which, you know, is fantastic for fibro sufferers.   :P

OG, I totally understand. For some of my pain, nothing works better than ibuprofen, but I'm not allowed to take it anymore.  :( I swear it gives me more relief than any of the prescribed narcotics ever did, and swimming helps the pain WAY more than lying down. Being active actually helps, when it's possible. ( I don't have fibro, but the chronic pain and fatigue are similar)

ITA that a faker is easy to spot. I know a woman who is trying to fake Lupus. She does it very badly, while lying out in the sun with a drink!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: cbcb on August 11, 2011, 09:40:50 AM
I did PM with NEW a few times. I think a lot of what she posted was real - maybe not the details and larger stories about her own life but I think that her responses in the threads of others were genuine. I often found her extremely well-thought-out and considered in her advice. I'm actually uncomfortable with her having the "troll" label because I think the vast majority of her posts were as a member. To me, a "troll" is primarily about their own stories and getting a reaction to them. NEW may have done that, but she also was a valuable participant in other ways.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Yvaine on August 11, 2011, 09:43:41 AM
I did PM with NEW a few times. I think a lot of what she posted was real - maybe not the details and larger stories about her own life but I think that her responses in the threads of others were genuine. I often found her extremely well-thought-out and considered in her advice. I'm actually uncomfortable with her having the "troll" label because I think the vast majority of her posts were as a member. To me, a "troll" is primarily about their own stories and getting a reaction to them. NEW may have done that, but she also was a valuable participant in other ways.

I liked a lot of what she had to say as well. She had "she of the radically different perspective" in her sidebar and that was exactly what she brought to the forum. She had a lot of useful things to say about disability rights (whether she had a disability of her own or not) and about lifestyle choices that people are sometimes judgmental about.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on August 11, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
Poirot, the one thing that has tripped up trolls in the past here is the time line.  You say you and your son have had some medical issues recently.  Now if you posted that your son was getting sick; next day in ER; later that day having surgery to remove a brain tumor; then next day in a different thread, your son had an argument with his best friend.  Someone posts, "Do you have 2 sons, because your son just had surgery?"  Oh, he was discharged, and the friend came over to see how he was doing.  I remember one troll in particular where 3 days couldn't hold all the happenings that occurred to her in one day.

Another giveaway is the troll has interesting stories, and the killer is that there is always a punchline: things get wrapped up in a neat package, the rude person is shamed or punished in some way, and the troll is revealed as a hero.  Now occasionally that does happen in real life, but most of the time there is no ending. 
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: DottyG on August 11, 2011, 09:49:03 AM
I will go ahead and post the link to kinseyanne's tread where she was called out considering she has been named several times anyways and Tricia reffered to it, sorry for not doing it earlier. I am unsure if it was locked because of lies, or because of the way she was being called out (or both).

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=99872.0

I remember her thread about losing th ebaby being locked, and I had assumed it was because of medical advice even though I was aware that she had a lot of OTT stories. I had assumed it wasn't lying because she was not banned, and other posts were allowed to stand as they went up.

I was suspicious of both, but did not know that they were trolls. Like I said, I give support because someone else may benefit and I figure as long as I am not too invested if I get burned once or twice it is worth it to be nice to everyone I am moved to on this board for whatever reason.

OK, post 54 is very interesting in that thread! 

LOL!  You're right!  Penguin, was all that deliberate?!  If not, it was quite a coincidence!

Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: jimithing on August 11, 2011, 09:52:13 AM
I did PM with NEW a few times. I think a lot of what she posted was real - maybe not the details and larger stories about her own life but I think that her responses in the threads of others were genuine. I often found her extremely well-thought-out and considered in her advice. I'm actually uncomfortable with her having the "troll" label because I think the vast majority of her posts were as a member. To me, a "troll" is primarily about their own stories and getting a reaction to them. NEW may have done that, but she also was a valuable participant in other ways.

For me, all the other stuff goes out the window when you start posting things for sympathy and sucking other posters in. Many people here on the forum *have* actually been sexually assaulted or have had very difficult pregnancies. When you start to use those kinds of things to play on people's emotions, the other contributions are heavily outweighed by the negative.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Spoder on August 11, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
I did PM with NEW a few times. I think a lot of what she posted was real - maybe not the details and larger stories about her own life but I think that her responses in the threads of others were genuine. I often found her extremely well-thought-out and considered in her advice. I'm actually uncomfortable with her having the "troll" label because I think the vast majority of her posts were as a member. To me, a "troll" is primarily about their own stories and getting a reaction to them. NEW may have done that, but she also was a valuable participant in other ways.

I liked a lot of what she had to say as well. She had "she of the radically different perspective" in her sidebar and that was exactly what she brought to the forum. She had a lot of useful things to say about disability rights (whether she had a disability of her own or not) and about lifestyle choices that people are sometimes judgmental about.

I agree that she had some interesting perspectives and expressed herself well. Honestly, though - the value of that is negated, for me, when someone starts eliciting sympathy from good people, with lies. Particularly when the lies are about serious things like sexual assault and resulting multiple pregnancies.

Some people on this board have actually suffered similar things, for real, and it's totally disrespectful for her to use those issues for her own agenda (whatever the heck that was). JMO.

ETA: jimithing, it appears we think alike on this.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: LadyL on August 11, 2011, 09:54:40 AM
Did anyone else catch that in the baby name thread (where Kinsey was sent a list of 25 names she couldn't use for her baby as they were spoken for by a friend who wasn't pregnant, but was trying to conceive) that Kinsey claimed the friend said to her, "If your baby dies I will name mine after you?" If that's not uncanny foreshadowing I don't know what is. I find it easier to believe that it was a literary technique than to believe that someone would actually say such a thing. Also most people would issue a cut direct over that comment, not continue to engage them and then post about it.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: HermioneGranger on August 11, 2011, 09:56:14 AM
I was thinking Cherryripe was the reincarnation of another poster, banned long ago...

But yes, I did find her posts incredibly entertaining (if also incredibly frustrating).

I did too.  Her posting style was incredibly similar to a poster I remember being banned several years ago.  It was kind of freaky. 
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: blue2000 on August 11, 2011, 09:57:16 AM
I will go ahead and post the link to kinseyanne's tread where she was called out considering she has been named several times anyways and Tricia reffered to it, sorry for not doing it earlier. I am unsure if it was locked because of lies, or because of the way she was being called out (or both).

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=99872.0

I remember her thread about losing th ebaby being locked, and I had assumed it was because of medical advice even though I was aware that she had a lot of OTT stories. I had assumed it wasn't lying because she was not banned, and other posts were allowed to stand as they went up.

I was suspicious of both, but did not know that they were trolls. Like I said, I give support because someone else may benefit and I figure as long as I am not too invested if I get burned once or twice it is worth it to be nice to everyone I am moved to on this board for whatever reason.

OK, post 54 is very interesting in that thread! 

LOL!  You're right!  Penguin, was all that deliberate?!  If not, it was quite a coincidence!



<snicker> That IS funny!
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on August 11, 2011, 09:57:41 AM
I never thought IndianInLaw was a troll.  In many ways, I thought she was a lot like me: kind of boring life, with not much to create threads on.  But she posted comments on everything.  And the time she tried to start a forum war, several people had warned her not to do it.

Now when someone said that Kinseyanne was a returning troll, did they mean she and NEW were the same person?  That I don't see at all.  NEW had a very distinctive style, and KA's was not the same at all.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: DottyG on August 11, 2011, 09:57:56 AM
So, if you suspect that a poster is a former troll, but have nothing to back that up, would you report it to the mods?  I think what is giving me the feeling is similar writing styles but there is nothing super obvious!



Yes.  I have done just that.  I've said that something about the person is just raising some red flags for me and that they might just want to keep an eye on the person.  That it may not be a troll or a problem, but that I just wanted to bring their attention to it to keep watch on.

I think that it's important that we help the mods when we can.  This place is huge - and there are so many threads going on at once.  They can't always see every post that's made.  So if you're able to give them a quick "heads up" that this is an area of the forum that they might want to look at if they haven't already, I think it's helpful.

You don't have to tattle on the person.  Just bring the mods' attention to it.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Yvaine on August 11, 2011, 09:58:41 AM
I did PM with NEW a few times. I think a lot of what she posted was real - maybe not the details and larger stories about her own life but I think that her responses in the threads of others were genuine. I often found her extremely well-thought-out and considered in her advice. I'm actually uncomfortable with her having the "troll" label because I think the vast majority of her posts were as a member. To me, a "troll" is primarily about their own stories and getting a reaction to them. NEW may have done that, but she also was a valuable participant in other ways.

I liked a lot of what she had to say as well. She had "she of the radically different perspective" in her sidebar and that was exactly what she brought to the forum. She had a lot of useful things to say about disability rights (whether she had a disability of her own or not) and about lifestyle choices that people are sometimes judgmental about.

I agree that she had some interesting perspectives and expressed herself well. Honestly, though - the value of that is negated, for me, when someone starts eliciting sympathy from good people, with lies. Particularly when the lies are about serious things like sexual assault and resulting multiple pregnancies.

Some people on this board have actually suffered similar things, for real, and it's totally disrespectful for her to use those issues for her own agenda (whatever the heck that was). JMO.

ETA: jimithing, it appears we think alike on this.

Agreed--but I think she made valuable contributions before the saga started, if that makes any sense. If the early parts of her story (like the hyperthyroidism) were made up, they didn't really hurt anyone but her, and she had interesting things to say. It's a weird situation because she waited so long to start the shenanigans and had been a good poster before that.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Poirot on August 11, 2011, 09:59:08 AM
I can't believe I was so darn dimwitted as to not catch penguin's obvious (and yet still subtle, in some way) call out in #54.  :-[
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ticia on August 11, 2011, 10:01:03 AM
Okay, I think this thread has run its course. Please keep in mind that we don't know if certain posters, that have been discussed here, are trolls or not. And to keep talking about them as if they are trolls is counterproductive.
Title: Re: Policy for when there are issues with posters?
Post by: Ehelldame on September 02, 2011, 08:06:05 AM
IndianInLaw was not a troll.  The forum rules are very clear that if you are found to be importing trouble from another forum (such as going to another forum to stir up trouble which directs angry troublemakers back to Ehell), you will be promptly banned.  No second chances.  No mercy.  There were some trolls from another forum on Ehell and IndianInLaw went to their forum to "do battle".  It only added fuel to the fire and she was banned for doing it.   It was a hard decision to make because she was a high post count regular with no previous mod history but there can be no favoritism for oldies so the rule of law for the forum prevailed.   IndianInLaw's situation should be noted primarily because it demonstrates that a high post count and years on the forum will not save you if you break one of hard and fast rules of the forum.

Look for new sticky thread in Forum Announcements regarding mod policy re: issues with posters.