Etiquette Hell

General Etiquette => Etiquette of the Rich and Famous => Topic started by: Wonderflonium on August 12, 2011, 07:28:38 AM

Title: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 12, 2011, 07:28:38 AM
The basic plot of the new movie "Thirty Minutes or Less" is that 2 people kidnap a pizza delivery guy, strap a bomb to him, and make him rob a bank for them. This scenario actually happened in 2003, and sadly, the delivery guy was killed.

IMO, it's at the very least pretty insensitive to the family. I mean, this is a rather particular way to die, so it's hard to believe that the idea didn't come from that incident. It will certainly remind his family of what happened.

That being said... is it actually rude?
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Sharnita on August 12, 2011, 08:25:45 AM
It has actually been the premise of several tv shows that i've seen.  They were drmams and this is playing it for laughs but it certainly isn't the first time it has been used.  in fact, my guess is that it was a plot on tv before it actually happened in real life.  I don't know that I'd single this one movie out as rude.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on August 12, 2011, 11:41:41 AM
It has actually been the premise of several tv shows that i've seen.  They were drmams and this is playing it for laughs but it certainly isn't the first time it has been used.  in fact, my guess is that it was a plot on tv before it actually happened in real life.  I don't know that I'd single this one movie out as rude.

I totally agree with this. A similar plot device was used in the Benedict Cumbernacht version of Sherlock Holmes. It is quite a common one, I'm sure. I vote not rude at all. That said, I certainky wouldn't want to see it if I were a family member of the unfortunate delivery man. It's actually a question I've often considered: I love thrillers and murder mysteries, but I think that having a family member killed would ruin that. That does not mean that those genres are somehow rude.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 12, 2011, 11:45:33 AM
Something about the fact that in this movie it was specifically a pizza delivery guy is what gets me. I don't think I would have thought anything of it even if he had been delivering something else. I don't know why, but it really bothers me.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on August 12, 2011, 11:46:52 AM
Something about the fact that in this movie it was specifically a pizza delivery guy is what gets me. I don't think I would have thought anything of it even if he had been delivering something else. I don't know why, but it really bothers me.

Is this film actually based on those events, or just a made up story?
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 12, 2011, 11:48:07 AM
It's not based on that story, but the parallels just feel wrong to me. Of course, I'm well aware that could just be my own weirdness (:P).
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on August 12, 2011, 11:50:14 AM
It's not based on that story, but the parallels just feel wrong to me. Of course, I'm well aware that could just be my own weirdness (:P).

No, I know what you mean. I think having it based so closely does seem a little 'off' perhaps, but I don't think I could quite call it rude. I really feel for the family, though :(
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Sharnita on August 12, 2011, 11:53:26 AM
I read a synopsis tht indicated it was set in Michigan.  I am sure there are people in Michigan who might call for delivery of other things besdies pizza  but I can't say I've ever witnessed it.  I can think of 5 pizza places nearby that deliver but no other restaurants that offer delivery.  Now, I am not sure the movie is too  worried about realism so that might not be a consideration.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Judah on August 12, 2011, 12:00:02 PM
I understand that this must be really hard for the Brian Wells' family, but, from what I've read, the movie doesn't share much with his story.  The whole vest bomb idea has been used in several TV shows before and I don't think you could say those were based on Wells' story either.  This movie isn't any more rude than any movie that makes light of violence. 
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on August 12, 2011, 12:01:45 PM
I understand that this must be really hard for the Brian Wells' family, but, from what I've read, the movie doesn't share much with his story.  The whole vest bomb idea has been used in several TV shows before and I don't think you could say those were based on Wells' story either.  This movie isn't any more rude than any movie that makes light of violence.


I think the bolded is the key. So many films depict hostage situations, et. al. I do see Wonderflonium's point, but I think on balance it can't be called rude.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Miss March on August 12, 2011, 12:13:52 PM
I don't know if I can call rude, but it does strike me as tasteless. Brian Wells had a bomb strapped around his neck and he was ordered to rob a bank. I saw the footage of him begging police to try and remove the bomb from his neck, that it was real, please believe him, in the minutes before he died. That's not something I can easily forget. So now to see commercials with men running around in monkey masks, and a light-hearted summer comedy being made of a man in a very similar predicament, well, I certainly won't be going to see it.

Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 12, 2011, 12:15:50 PM
It still bothers me (and Miss March), but I'm actually relieved to hear that others don't find it rude. I don't know why, but I am.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Sharnita on August 12, 2011, 12:21:48 PM
It still bothers me (and Miss March), but I'm actually relieved to hear that others don't find it rude. I don't know why, but I am.

I think it is complicated by the fact that those kids of comedies ingeneral are a bit crass.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 12, 2011, 12:22:18 PM
That is a very good point.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on August 12, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
I don't know if I can call rude, but it does strike me as tasteless. Brian Wells had a bomb strapped around his neck and he was ordered to rob a bank. I saw the footage of him begging police to try and remove the bomb from his neck, that it was real, please believe him, in the minutes before he died. That's not something I can easily forget. So now to see commercials with men running around in monkey masks, and a light-hearted summer comedy being made of a man in a very similar predicament, well, I certainly won't be going to see it.

That is horrendous! Why didn't the police listen :o
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Aeris on August 12, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
I don't know if I can call rude, but it does strike me as tasteless. Brian Wells had a bomb strapped around his neck and he was ordered to rob a bank. I saw the footage of him begging police to try and remove the bomb from his neck, that it was real, please believe him, in the minutes before he died. That's not something I can easily forget. So now to see commercials with men running around in monkey masks, and a light-hearted summer comedy being made of a man in a very similar predicament, well, I certainly won't be going to see it.

That is horrendous! Why didn't the police listen :o

My understanding is that they were not sure if he was part of the robbery plot, in addition to not knowing whether the bomb was real. There is apparently still rampant speculation on the subject (of whether he was involved), and we will probably never know the complete truth.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 12, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
I just read up about him because I didn't know all the info. Apparently, they think he was in on the plot but didn't know they were going to use a real bomb. However, others dispute that, and like Aeris said, we will probably never know the whole story.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Ms_Cellany on August 12, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
A family friend was murdered by bludgeoning.  I found the opening of Snakes on a Plane extremely hard to watch.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Hushabye on August 12, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
I don't know if I can call rude, but it does strike me as tasteless. Brian Wells had a bomb strapped around his neck and he was ordered to rob a bank. I saw the footage of him begging police to try and remove the bomb from his neck, that it was real, please believe him, in the minutes before he died. That's not something I can easily forget. So now to see commercials with men running around in monkey masks, and a light-hearted summer comedy being made of a man in a very similar predicament, well, I certainly won't be going to see it.

That is horrendous! Why didn't the police listen :o

My understanding is that they were not sure if he was part of the robbery plot, in addition to not knowing whether the bomb was real. There is apparently still rampant speculation on the subject (of whether he was involved), and we will probably never know the complete truth.

Plus it isn't as though disarming and removing a bomb from around someone's neck can necessarily be accomplished immediately.  It took hours recently for police in Australia to determine that the bomb around a young woman's neck was fake; they couldn't try to take it off without determining how.  Attempting to remove a real bomb without knowing how it's put together could easily kill both the person wearing it and the person attempting to remove it.

I would not want to be a bomb tech for all the money in the world.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Chinchillazilla on August 12, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
I thought the movie premise was tasteless too. But I recently watched a show about and read up on the case, and he was definitely involved in the planning. I feel sympathy for him in that he thought the bomb would be fake and slowly realized he had been set up by his friends, but somehow that knowledge made me feel okay about the movie.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Winterlight on August 12, 2011, 04:20:41 PM
I don't think it's rude, but I also don't think I'd want to watch it.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: lkb on August 12, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
I'm from Michigan and I think I know of the case this was based on.
That kind of movie is not my cup of tea anyway but I also think it is tasteless and cruel to those left behind.
But then, since when have American audiences and Hollywood filmmakers had class and taste?
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: jaxsue on August 13, 2011, 08:32:07 AM
I'm from Michigan and I think I know of the case this was based on.
That kind of movie is not my cup of tea anyway but I also think it is tasteless and cruel to those left behind.
But then, since when have American audiences and Hollywood filmmakers had class and taste?

I'm from MI, too, but lived in FL when it happened. It was huge news, though, that went way beyond the midwest, similar to the horrible wrong-way crash on the Taconic Parkway (NY) that Diane Schuler caused 2 yrs ago.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: amanda_tlg on August 13, 2011, 09:09:34 AM
I'm from Michigan and I think I know of the case this was based on.
That kind of movie is not my cup of tea anyway but I also think it is tasteless and cruel to those left behind.
But then, since when have American audiences and Hollywood filmmakers had class and taste?

I'm from MI, too, but lived in FL when it happened. It was huge news, though, that went way beyond the midwest, similar to the horrible wrong-way crash on the Taconic Parkway (NY) that Diane Schuler caused 2 yrs ago.

OT but have you seen the recent HBO documentary about her? It totally changed the way I thought about her and everything surrounding that crash.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: jaxsue on August 13, 2011, 09:25:42 AM
I'm from Michigan and I think I know of the case this was based on.
That kind of movie is not my cup of tea anyway but I also think it is tasteless and cruel to those left behind.
But then, since when have American audiences and Hollywood filmmakers had class and taste?

I'm from MI, too, but lived in FL when it happened. It was huge news, though, that went way beyond the midwest, similar to the horrible wrong-way crash on the Taconic Parkway (NY) that Diane Schuler caused 2 yrs ago.

OT but have you seen the recent HBO documentary about her? It totally changed the way I thought about her and everything surrounding that crash.

I did see it. Very difficult to watch at times (esp. her body at the crash scene  :-X ). It didn't change my attitude one bit; in fact, I came away from it despising her DH Daniel even more.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Twik on August 16, 2011, 09:39:39 AM
I think it's insensitive, but when the media can make money, sensitivity is quickly defenestrated.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on August 16, 2011, 09:50:58 AM
I think it's insensitive, but when the media can make money, sensitivity is quickly defenestrated.

I love that word.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Shannon on August 20, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
I don't know that it's actually rude to use a real-life tragedy from the premise of a comedy, but I feel like it is insensitive. I felt the same way when The Simpsons did an episode parodying The Perfect Storm. I remember hoping that none of the families or friends of the men who died on the Andrea Gail were watching the show that night--I can't imagine what it must be like to sit down to watch a cartoon and be jolted back to the very worst time of your life because of it.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: amylouky on November 03, 2011, 12:01:03 PM
I don't think it's rude. Tasteless maybe, but it happens all the time. Heck, nearly every episode of Law and Order SVU is ripped from real-life headlines, it seems.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Twik on November 03, 2011, 12:04:23 PM
I don't think it's rude. Tasteless maybe, but it happens all the time. Heck, nearly every episode of Law and Order SVU is ripped from real-life headlines, it seems.

To be fair, Law and Order rarely turns it into comedy.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: MyFamily on November 03, 2011, 12:47:20 PM
I don't think it's rude. Tasteless maybe, but it happens all the time. Heck, nearly every episode of Law and Order SVU is ripped from real-life headlines, it seems.

To be fair, Law and Order rarely turns it into comedy.

Comedy or drama the purpose is the same - to entertain the audience. 
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: LEMon on November 03, 2011, 11:06:42 PM
I don't think it's rude. Tasteless maybe, but it happens all the time. Heck, nearly every episode of Law and Order SVU is ripped from real-life headlines, it seems.

To be fair, Law and Order rarely turns it into comedy.

Comedy or drama the purpose is the same - to entertain the audience.
Yeah, but if it were my family or friends that had been involved in something, I would much prefer it to be presented as a drama than a comedy.  One feels like the audience is invited to feel with me or to understand, while the other feels like an invitation to laugh at me and/or my situation.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Twik on November 04, 2011, 01:23:04 PM
Right. At least L&O usually stresses "violent death is horrible and traumatic," not "HAHAHAHA! Look at the guy sweat, thinking he's going to be blown up!"

I wouldn't want to watch either version if it related to someone I loved, but at least the first would indicate that they took the death of my loved one seriously.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Thyisa on November 06, 2011, 02:09:34 AM
Were it a drama, I would feel it has less chance to be offensive, but a comedy? Err? I think using the idea of the bomb is suspect enough. There are rumors things are too close to the actual events, but its sorta murky in my opinion. (http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/08/30-minutes-or-less-collar-bom/)
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on November 06, 2011, 03:13:01 PM


I would have more sympathy with the family of Brian Wells if he had not been an accomplice to the events, I think.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: NutMeg on December 03, 2011, 07:23:27 PM


I would have more sympathy with the family of Brian Wells if he had not been an accomplice to the events, I think.

What does his family have to do with that? They weren't accomplices.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: grannyclampettjr on December 04, 2011, 07:16:15 PM
Thelma and Louise came out shortly after I was robbed at knifepoint at a bookstore I was working at.  I wasn't exactly happy about people cheering on criminals, no matter how "grrrrrrlpower."
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: kherbert05 on December 04, 2011, 07:51:48 PM
I'll vote with my dollars and feet - I won't see it.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: DuBois on December 05, 2011, 05:13:57 AM


I would have more sympathy with the family of Brian Wells if he had not been an accomplice to the events, I think.

What does his family have to do with that? They weren't accomplices.

I think that if you are the family of a criminal, you have to take the rough with the smooth.
Title: Re: Thirty Minutes or Less: Rude?
Post by: Larrabee on December 08, 2011, 04:03:41 PM


I would have more sympathy with the family of Brian Wells if he had not been an accomplice to the events, I think.

What does his family have to do with that? They weren't accomplices.

I think that if you are the family of a criminal, you have to take the rough with the smooth.

Well, you do because everyone does, but it really really sucks to be the innocent family member of a criminal I'm sure.  You aren't responsible for their crimes but the world treats you as somehow complicit.