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Title: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: lkb on September 02, 2011, 07:50:43 PM
Hi:
I haven't watched TV much but will likely being doing more so now that I'm caring for my elderly mother (who is a TV addict).

At any rate, I've discovered I have two television addictions: "Say Yes to the Dress" and "What Not to Wear."

While I enjoy looking at the various fashions, I am put off by the snarkiness of the hosts of "What Not to Wear" and the proprietors/employees of "Say Yes to the Dress."

I realize that the subjects of these shows put themselves up for this. After all the whole point of "What Not to Wear" is to critique the subject's  choices and offer improvements. However, I frankly think the comments could be a bit kinder. (In all honesty, the hosts' tastes are certainly not mine.)

And in "Say Yes to the Dress", quite often the proprietors/employees make quite rude comments about the customer and her companions. (Way to make a sale worth thousand of dollars, insult the bride's family.) One in particular comes to mind: A bride's mother thought a certain dress was too revealing and the proprietor (in one of those behind-the-scenes after-the-fact commentaries) says, "What's next? A chastity belt?" (So we're not allowed to have differing levels of modesty?)

I know, I know -- the snarkiness makes for good television but I think they cross the line too often.

What do you think?
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Master_Edward on September 02, 2011, 10:28:40 PM
Yes I think the hosts of those shows are very rude. That's why I'll never watch them. But then I always hate what the "experts" say is "fashionable" anyway.

Ed.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: kglory on September 02, 2011, 11:07:52 PM
They have definitely gotten a lot ruder on SYTTD behind the people's backs.  I am not a fan of the Atlanta version. I think it's even snarkier than New York!
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on September 03, 2011, 06:11:53 AM
I love Trinny and Susannah.  Yes, the advice they give would be rude in a social situation - but the people on these shows have gone on there for honest advice.  What would be the point giving them 2000 to buy new clothes if you hadn't been honest with them about what they should and should not wear for their body shape?

I also love T&S because they are not bothered by what is "fashionable" but by what is stylish and will last a long time in a variety of situations.  They don't pressure people to lose weight but help them dress in a way that is flattering to their shape.  The smiles on these women's faces after the makeover say it all!

Frankly if someone gave me 2k to buy new clothes they could be as rude as they liked...
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: shadowfox79 on September 03, 2011, 06:27:13 AM
I'm a Gok Wan fan myself. He's definitely opinionated, but tends not to be rude, probably because "How to Look Good Naked" deals with people with major self-esteem problems and the focus is on making them feel good about themselves, not on telling them they look like crap in that outfit.

I do like Trinny and Susannah, but I do remember gasping when Trinny yanked a woman's knickers down to get rid of a visible panty line.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: lollylegs on September 03, 2011, 07:51:31 AM
I think that Trinny and Susannah need to be blunt sometimes because some of the people on the show are so resistant to change. And I agree that they don't push fashionable clothing on people, it's all about style and making the most of your best features.

I do like Trinny and Susannah, but I do remember gasping when Trinny yanked a woman's knickers down to get rid of a visible panty line.

I once read an interview with Trinny where she said that moment was her biggest regret. I was shocked also when she did that!
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: BabylonSister on September 03, 2011, 09:10:03 AM
lkb, did you mean the hosts of the original (British) What Not To Wear, Trinny and Susannah, or those of TLC's What Not To Wear, Stacy and Clinton? I only know the latter. Yes, they can be very snarky but I used to watch the show religiously. I think they made a genuine effort to see beyond the fashion faux-pas and see what went on in the person's head. And some candidates were not too nice.

I've never seen Say Yes To The Dress so I have no opinion on the topic.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: LadyL on September 03, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
I think SYTTD is more of a business transaction that happens to be filmed.

WNTW is a different type of show. They get into a lot more psychology of why people don't take care of themselves (which extends to things like grooming or holding oneself back from life or career opportunities). Clinton and Stacey are more like life coaches (though I detest that term it fits) than 'just' stylists.  By the end of it their role is like your one friend or relative who always tells it straight and you love them for it. Because they have more of a bond with their subjects I think they can push the boundaries and not have it be rude. The person knowingly signed up for it, after all. Brides who are dress shopping, on the other hand, are there for a dress and that's it.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Ruelz on September 03, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
I watch TLCs WNTW and SYTTD.  I can't say I've ever found them rude.  Candid yes...but not rude.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: lkb on September 04, 2011, 10:36:43 AM
Hi:
I was referring to the TLC version (never heard of Trinny and Susannah until this thread).

For one, I hate how Clinton and Stacy dump the subject's clothes in the trash (I'm too cheap for that to go down easy in any case) but to make rude comments on it -- even on really innocuous stuff. "Hey Stacy! What's worse than one mock turtleneck! Two mock turtlenecks!" is one of the kinder comments. (Without explaining what exactly is wrong with a mock turtleneck, I might add.)

Yes, I know the subjects (or a "loved" (?) one) asked for it. (I don't know how I'd feel if a "loved" one asked for such an intervention.). I just think the comments could be presented in a kinder way. I can understand why the subjects often seem frustrated mid-week.

As to SYTTD, in a way the brides and their families must know what they are in for  -- traveling hundreds of miles to a specific bridal store that just happens to be on national TV. But still....

Sorry, I shouldn't have lumped SYTTD in with makeover shows. They just happen to be the two shows I'm very mildly addicted to and they both happen to be about clothes.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on September 04, 2011, 10:45:45 AM
Trinny and Susannah were the original - they launched WNTW on the Beeb in 2001  :)
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: lady_disdain on September 04, 2011, 11:16:38 AM
I loved Trinny and Susannah. Both could be quite blunt, but they respected the person's taste, showing how to look fab in many different ways and for many different styles. I remember some shows where the style developed into a combination of modern/vintage, another where the person's wild and wacky taste became a bright but tasteful look or how an executive woman's crisp and chic final wardrobe was completely different from a laid back mom's casual and trendy clothes. I liked how they used themselves as examples ("I have thick legs so I wear XYZ") instead of pretending they had perfect bodies. Another point was that they generally found a few things in the original wardrobe that worked and showed why. They also seemed a lot more worried about why the person had let themselves go or dressed the way they did.

I can't stand Clinton and Stacy, but specially Stacy. She reminds of the popular girls who bullied the others in high school, because they weren't perfect like her. Stacy seems to want to turn everyone into a mini-Stacy, regardless of their lifestyle or taste. They are both way too snarky and could deliver their message in a much kinder, even if still blunt. I have never seen them keep an original wardrobe item and I can't believe no one ever has one item that is good.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: shadowfox79 on September 04, 2011, 12:04:32 PM
There was one whose name I can't remember here in the UK, presented by Mel Giedroyc. The idea was that Mel would put the subject in one room and her friends in another, connected by a two-way mirror, then would get the friends to talk about the subject's dress sense while the subject listened in. This was then followed by a makeover

I'm not sure why this came as a surprise, but there was one episode where the friends, not knowing they were being overheard, became so insulting about the subject that she came storming out of the second room and marched off the set.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on September 04, 2011, 12:14:11 PM
Trinny and Susannah did an excellent series a few years ago, with women with very poor body image.  They got the women to stand naked with their partners (also naked) in a screened off room to talk about their bodies.  It was heartbreaking in some cases to see how much these women honestly hated themselves, and how much their partners loved them and just couldn't see all these "imperfections".

The women got the chance to discuss their body image and get a makeover which really lifted their spirits.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on September 04, 2011, 12:17:01 PM
I loved Trinny and Susannah. Both could be quite blunt, but they respected the person's taste, showing how to look fab in many different ways and for many different styles. I remember some shows where the style developed into a combination of modern/vintage, another where the person's wild and wacky taste became a bright but tasteful look or how an executive woman's crisp and chic final wardrobe was completely different from a laid back mom's casual and trendy clothes. I liked how they used themselves as examples ("I have thick legs so I wear XYZ") instead of pretending they had perfect bodies. Another point was that they generally found a few things in the original wardrobe that worked and showed why. They also seemed a lot more worried about why the person had let themselves go or dressed the way they did.

I can't stand Clinton and Stacy, but specially Stacy. She reminds of the popular girls who bullied the others in high school, because they weren't perfect like her. Stacy seems to want to turn everyone into a mini-Stacy, regardless of their lifestyle or taste. They are both way too snarky and could deliver their message in a much kinder, even if still blunt. I have never seen them keep an original wardrobe item and I can't believe no one ever has one item that is good.

If that's the same one I am thinking of, the woman wore such awful things that her boss wouldn't let her work the front desk (which she desperately wanted to do).  She seemed so much happier after the makeover, a lot of her "in-your-faceness" seems to come from the fact that she didn't like herself very much.

I also love that T&S are realistic about their own bodies, and happy to share their own faux-pas.  Their books, to go with the series, are fun.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: DCGirl on September 04, 2011, 07:55:55 PM
For one, I hate how Clinton and Stacy dump the subject's clothes in the trash (I'm too cheap for that to go down easy in any case) but to make rude comments on it -- even on really innocuous stuff. "Hey Stacy! What's worse than one mock turtleneck! Two mock turtlenecks!" is one of the kinder comments. (Without explaining what exactly is wrong with a mock turtleneck, I might add.)

Stacy and Clinton have said repeatedly in interviews that must of that is staged for the cameras.  Clothes are not thrown in the trash unless they deserve to be thrown in the trash (i.e., they're ripped or damaged), they're donated to charity, and they never truly force anyone to give up something they don't want to give up. 
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Twik on September 05, 2011, 12:36:23 AM
Trinny and Susannah did an excellent series a few years ago, with women with very poor body image.  They got the women to stand naked with their partners (also naked) in a screened off room to talk about their bodies.  It was heartbreaking in some cases to see how much these women honestly hated themselves, and how much their partners loved them and just couldn't see all these "imperfections".

The women got the chance to discuss their body image and get a makeover which really lifted their spirits.

So, how would they have handled a woman who hated her body and had no partner?
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on September 05, 2011, 02:52:59 AM
Trinny and Susannah did an excellent series a few years ago, with women with very poor body image.  They got the women to stand naked with their partners (also naked) in a screened off room to talk about their bodies.  It was heartbreaking in some cases to see how much these women honestly hated themselves, and how much their partners loved them and just couldn't see all these "imperfections".

The women got the chance to discuss their body image and get a makeover which really lifted their spirits.

So, how would they have handled a woman who hated her body and had no partner?

I don't recall that were were any.  It was only about 6 shows they did like that, one couple per show.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: BabylonSister on September 05, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
Trinny and Susannah did an excellent series a few years ago, with women with very poor body image.  They got the women to stand naked with their partners (also naked) in a screened off room to talk about their bodies.  It was heartbreaking in some cases to see how much these women honestly hated themselves, and how much their partners loved them and just couldn't see all these "imperfections".

The women got the chance to discuss their body image and get a makeover which really lifted their spirits.

So, how would they have handled a woman who hated her body and had no partner?

There was (still is?) a show a little like that in France. I don't know if there is a similar one in other countries. It was called "Belle Toute Nue" (beautiful naked) and it, too, was meant for women with really bad self esteem and body image issues. For the most part, they were women who had been battling extra weight for years, had tried all the diets and just couldn't stand their bodies. I think some of them were single. The show wasn't so much centered  on the partner. The host was very gentle, very supportive, all the while bringing the necessary criticism. The women were guided through a process of accepting their bodies by correcting their body perception (many saw themselves as much bigger than they really were), focusing on their assets, then going through the makeover process and eventually, they had to be naked in public (hey, that's France!  ;)   ), either in a catwalk situation, or a billboard, in a window shop, etc.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 06, 2011, 01:08:45 PM
Belle Toute Nue sounds a lot like How to Look Good Naked. I love Gok Wan and I loved when Carson Kressley did a US version of it. Tim Gunn had a short-lived makeover show, and I nearly died in paroxysms of joy.  ;D

I actually like Stacy and Clinton. Yes, they play some stuff up for the cameras, but they really do try to help and get the people to love themselves more. They are constantly pointing out positives and telling people how awesome they are. I also don't get the argument that Stacy wants everyone to be a mini Stacy. I disagree; I think you can see a lot of individual style in what they pick for people. Is there some uniformity? Yes, but let's be honest here. There are certain requirements that must be met when dressing for a lot of jobs. Many, many people are being held back professionally because of their clothes, and Stacy and Clinton help them overcome it.

Oh, and I don't feel for the girls on SYTTD. Not everyone who comes in is filmed; they have to agree to participate on the show. I love the New York staff, but the Atlanta people are kind of awful.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Mopsy428 on September 06, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
I watch TLCs WNTW and SYTTD.  I can't say I've ever found them rude.  Candid yes...but not rude.
I mostly agree, although SYTTD Atlanta staff can be a bit harsh.

In regards to the chastity belt comment, Monty said that after the mother (who was a royal pain in the tuckus) was nit-picking every little thing, and then didn't like a certain dress because it wasn't white.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: PeasNCues on September 06, 2011, 01:32:09 PM
You know, I notice that in SYTTD, they make a big point about how it's the BRIDE'S dress and the bride loves this dress and the bride should have this dress.

But, my feelings are if someone else is paying for the dress, they shouldn't be forced to pay for something they find inappropriate.

Furthermore, I HATE how they are always putting these girls in dresses waaaay outside their budget and then pressuring the money holder to pay the extra $$$$ because the bride loooooooves the dress.

Other than that, love the show.

I do think that Stacy and Clinton can be harsh sometimes, but a lot of the times that harshness can bring out honesty in their subjects. I've seen people go from, "I don't care what I look like and how I dress" to "I am hiding behind my apparel because I am self-conscious" very quickly because of a few pointed criticisms and reminders.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Winterlight on September 06, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
Belle Toute Nue sounds a lot like How to Look Good Naked. I love Gok Wan and I loved when Carson Kressley did a US version of it. Tim Gunn had a short-lived makeover show, and I nearly died in paroxysms of joy.  ;D

I actually like Stacy and Clinton. Yes, they play some stuff up for the cameras, but they really do try to help and get the people to love themselves more. They are constantly pointing out positives and telling people how awesome they are. I also don't get the argument that Stacy wants everyone to be a mini Stacy. I disagree; I think you can see a lot of individual style in what they pick for people. Is there some uniformity? Yes, but let's be honest here. There are certain requirements that must be met when dressing for a lot of jobs. Many, many people are being held back professionally because of their clothes, and Stacy and Clinton help them overcome it.

Oh, and I don't feel for the girls on SYTTD. Not everyone who comes in is filmed; they have to agree to participate on the show. I love the New York staff, but the Atlanta people are kind of awful.

I hearted Tim Gunn's show so much! Why did it go away?
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Twik on September 06, 2011, 03:16:42 PM
I think Clinton and Stacey are "professionally rude" - it's sort of like Simon Cowell, it's not personal, and if you take it personally, you shouldn't go on their show.

The problem, I think, is that there may be people watching who think that you can talk to people like that when you're *not* a tv host, offering people $5000 to redo their wardrobe, without being extremely offensive.

(Oh, and I think Stacey has to learn that not everyone can bear high heels, whether they look good or not, but that's a different issue.)
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Scotty Dog on September 06, 2011, 11:35:03 PM
There was one whose name I can't remember here in the UK, presented by Mel Giedroyc. The idea was that Mel would put the subject in one room and her friends in another, connected by a two-way mirror, then would get the friends to talk about the subject's dress sense while the subject listened in. This was then followed by a makeover

I'm not sure why this came as a surprise, but there was one episode where the friends, not knowing they were being overheard, became so insulting about the subject that she came storming out of the second room and marched off the set.

Was that Tell It to Me Straight?
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: shadowfox79 on September 07, 2011, 01:18:28 AM
There was one whose name I can't remember here in the UK, presented by Mel Giedroyc. The idea was that Mel would put the subject in one room and her friends in another, connected by a two-way mirror, then would get the friends to talk about the subject's dress sense while the subject listened in. This was then followed by a makeover

I'm not sure why this came as a surprise, but there was one episode where the friends, not knowing they were being overheard, became so insulting about the subject that she came storming out of the second room and marched off the set.

Was that Tell It to Me Straight?

Just looked it up and yes, it was!
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: DuBois on September 07, 2011, 01:47:24 AM
You know, I notice that in SYTTD, they make a big point about how it's the BRIDE'S dress and the bride loves this dress and the bride should have this dress.

But, my feelings are if someone else is paying for the dress, they shouldn't be forced to pay for something they find inappropriate. Furthermore, I HATE how they are always putting these girls in dresses waaaay outside their budget and then pressuring the money holder to pay the extra $$$$ because the bride loooooooves the dress.

Other than that, love the show.

I do think that Stacy and Clinton can be harsh sometimes, but a lot of the times that harshness can bring out honesty in their subjects. I've seen people go from, "I don't care what I look like and how I dress" to "I am hiding behind my apparel because I am self-conscious" very quickly because of a few pointed criticisms and reminders.

Unless the non-bride dress buyer doesn't want to buy the dress because it is too expensive(which I think is 100% valid) I don't agree with the bolded. I think that if you offer to buy a bridal dress for someone as a gift, you don't get to put strings on it. The bride is the one who has to wear the dress, and yes, I think that they should have the final say. If you (general) don't want to pay for it, then don't. But I don't think that to have a 'he who pays the piper calls the tune' attitude about it is really in the spirit of the thing.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 07, 2011, 07:12:02 AM
I hearted Tim Gunn's show so much! Why did it go away?

I don't know, but I was so sad! I loved it!
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 07, 2011, 07:41:56 AM
I watch these shows on Rare occasion. No money in the world would make me try it.

I would be a terrible participant... I have long hair that I Will Not Shorten. I cannot wear high heels. my waist changes size from morning to night, sometimes as much as 2 sizes. The only make up I wear is mascara and lippy.  The last time I wore something nice, It got all muddy [I joined the kids in the sandpit  ;D]

" I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair"  hahaha

[Note, people tell me I dress OK, even nicely, that suits who I am, my character and my whack y sense of persona. ]
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: camlan on September 07, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
I think Stacy and Clinton tailor their snark to the person who is the guest for the week. I remember some shows where they were quite gentle, because the subject for the week had a fragile body image or something similar. The snark increases the more the subject resists their attempts to get them to change. And I never get the feeling that they are being snarky to hurt someone; they are being snarky to make a point. It's more tough love than mean girl nastiness.

There was a different male host the first season of the US WNTW--if I remember correctly, he could get pretty mean.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 07, 2011, 08:51:54 AM
Ugh, yes, I hated Wayne.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: #borecore on September 07, 2011, 09:05:08 AM
My co-worker was on WNTW. First, there's an off-camera stylist who's with them the whole time. Even on the 'solo' day. It's VERY different from how they present it -- they won't let you 'waste' their money, really. But she said that off-camera, Stacy and Clinton were really nice, if sort of distant. The off-camera stylist was her guide and helper, really. They were just the window dressing.

She only got rid of a couple of things for good; the symbolic 'trashing' of the clothes was purely symbolic, though they did get rid of a few of her more horrendous things. She didn't just have the $5k of clothes to wear from there on out. Now, fiveish years later, she's somewhat more stylish, and definitely more creative, but she's definitely allowed the quirk back in her wardrobe.

If I got the chance to be on the show, knowing her experience, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 07, 2011, 09:10:38 AM
On Facebook, Clinton said that if someone buys something heinous on shopping day 1, they make them return it.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Dindrane on September 07, 2011, 09:57:12 AM
I can understand why the subjects often seem frustrated mid-week.

I would imagine that most of the participants of WNTW get frustrated mid-week because it's generally pretty hard to completely shift what clothing you wear.  Most of the people who end up on that show do so because they've either allowed themselves to get into a rut with their appearance, or they have a somewhat distorted image of what they look like in the clothes they wear.  Add into that the fact that a lot of the people on the show are in a clothing rut or have a distorted image primarily because of insecurity about their looks.  It's not something that you can just wave a magic wand and get rid of after a couple of days.

I also think I read somewhere awhile ago that all the clothes purchased on WNTW get tailored to fit (which is part of the reason why they do fit so well).  It can be frustrating to continually try on clothing that doesn't quite fit right, and if you're not familiar with tailoring techniques, it can be hard to see which things would fit with a little adjustment.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Everlee on September 07, 2011, 10:11:43 AM
I stopped watching WNTW because I just couldn't stand their "I'm so much smarter about this than you are" attitude towards the people.  I admit that I sometimes dress really quirky, I've even passed on that attitude towards my kids.  I don't know how many times they've gone to school after dressing themselves in mismatched clothes.  But you know what?  WE like the way we dress.  WE are comfortable and WE feel pretty.  I always feel so bad for the girls on the show who are made to feel like lepers for dressing the way they do.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 07, 2011, 10:14:04 AM
I don't think they make people feel like lepers for being quirky. They do, however, tell people when they are dressing inappropriately. They find ways to let people keep their style and still be appropriate for work, their kids' schools, etc.

They also do actually let people wear flats if they can't handle heels.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Everlee on September 07, 2011, 10:19:14 AM
I don't think they make people feel like lepers for being quirky. They do, however, tell people when they are dressing inappropriately. They find ways to let people keep their style and still be appropriate for work, their kids' schools, etc.

They also do actually let people wear flats if they can't handle heels.

But their version of appropriate isn't always everyone's version.  I am not talking about the ones who dressed racy, but the ones who were what they called frumpy or who dressed out of the box.  I fully agree with them about the people who wore revealing clothes all the time, that is a little much.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 07, 2011, 10:34:20 AM
I don't think they make people feel like lepers for being quirky. They do, however, tell people when they are dressing inappropriately. They find ways to let people keep their style and still be appropriate for work, their kids' schools, etc.

They also do actually let people wear flats if they can't handle heels.

But their version of appropriate isn't always everyone's version.  I am not talking about the ones who dressed racy, but the ones who were what they called frumpy or who dressed out of the box.  I fully agree with them about the people who wore revealing clothes all the time, that is a little much.

I think that most of the time, their version is what is considered appropriate out in the working world. I can't even count how many bosses I've seen who have said people are being held back by their wardrobes, and it's often the quirky or frumpy dressers who get these comments.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 07, 2011, 10:36:09 AM
Snort... If I dress how they recomend, i would be mutton dressed as lamb or, dowdie.

There in not a lot out there for a later 40 conservative dressing lady, that still wants style, but with extra long hair, a sting of Pearls and flowers in her hair.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 07, 2011, 10:38:42 AM
Snort... If I dress how they recomend, i would be mutton dressed as lamb or, dowdie.

There in not a lot out there for a later 40 conservative dressing lady, that still wants style, but with extra long hair, a sting of Pearls and flowers in her hair.

Oh, I'd have a blast styling you! You just have to know where to look. (I love dressing other people and am actually pretty good at it.)
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: jimithing on September 07, 2011, 10:39:41 AM
I love WNTW. I like Stacy, but Clinton is my favorite. I do think the thing to remember is that it's not them who nominates the makeoveree. It's actually their friends and family, the people who know them best, who do the nominating. Are they snarky? Yes, but I like that. I guess my feeling is that if they don't feel they need a makeover, or want to get their style trashed, it's probably best not to be on the show.

There is a woman, who is still talked about on the message boards as being the worst nominee of all times, Lynn. She had hair probably down to her knees, and she refused to allow Nick, the stylist, to do anything to it. Nothing. No color, no cut, etc. I think she finally agreed to a small trim. She came off looking very ungracious and bratty. The worst part of it all was that she nominated herself and was chosen from a casting call. I guess I do feel that there are so many women who would kill to be on WNTW, that if you accept the makeover process, you should embrace all of it. Not agree to everything blindly, but go in with an open mind and willingness about it.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: audrey1962 on September 07, 2011, 10:43:13 AM
I stopped watching WNTW because I just couldn't stand their "I'm so much smarter about this than you are" attitude towards the people.  I admit that I sometimes dress really quirky, I've even passed on that attitude towards my kids.  I don't know how many times they've gone to school after dressing themselves in mismatched clothes.  But you know what?  WE like the way we dress.  WE are comfortable and WE feel pretty.  I always feel so bad for the girls on the show who are made to feel like lepers for dressing the way they do.

Addressing the bolded: I think that's great!!! Therefore, I recommend you not go on the show. Those who go on the show are unhappy with how they dress.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 07, 2011, 10:47:57 AM
There is a woman, who is still talked about on the message boards as being the worst nominee of all times, Lynn. She had hair probably down to her knees, and she refused to allow Nick, the stylist, to do anything to it. Nothing. No color, no cut, etc. I think she finally agreed to a small trim. She came off looking very ungracious and bratty. The worst part of it all was that she nominated herself and was chosen from a casting call. I guess I do feel that there are so many women who would kill to be on WNTW, that if you accept the makeover process, you should embrace all of it. Not agree to everything blindly, but go in with an open mind and willingness about it.

Aaaaaaaaaargh!!!!! She made me nuts!!!!! And frankly, she needed a haircut. Badly. Her hair was destroyed. I also have long hair (although not that long), but if it got that trashed, I would chop it. And like you said, she nominated herself! It's so frustrating to think of all the other people who wanted that position and didn't get it, and then she just is an ungrateful brat the whole way through.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: jimithing on September 07, 2011, 10:58:40 AM
There is a woman, who is still talked about on the message boards as being the worst nominee of all times, Lynn. She had hair probably down to her knees, and she refused to allow Nick, the stylist, to do anything to it. Nothing. No color, no cut, etc. I think she finally agreed to a small trim. She came off looking very ungracious and bratty. The worst part of it all was that she nominated herself and was chosen from a casting call. I guess I do feel that there are so many women who would kill to be on WNTW, that if you accept the makeover process, you should embrace all of it. Not agree to everything blindly, but go in with an open mind and willingness about it.

Aaaaaaaaaargh!!!!! She made me nuts!!!!! And frankly, she needed a haircut. Badly. Her hair was destroyed. I also have long hair (although not that long), but if it got that trashed, I would chop it. And like you said, she nominated herself! It's so frustrating to think of all the other people who wanted that position and didn't get it, and then she just is an ungrateful brat the whole way through.

She was infuriating!
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Dindrane on September 07, 2011, 10:21:07 PM
There is a woman, who is still talked about on the message boards as being the worst nominee of all times, Lynn. She had hair probably down to her knees, and she refused to allow Nick, the stylist, to do anything to it. Nothing. No color, no cut, etc. I think she finally agreed to a small trim. She came off looking very ungracious and bratty. The worst part of it all was that she nominated herself and was chosen from a casting call. I guess I do feel that there are so many women who would kill to be on WNTW, that if you accept the makeover process, you should embrace all of it. Not agree to everything blindly, but go in with an open mind and willingness about it.

Aaaaaaaaaargh!!!!! She made me nuts!!!!! And frankly, she needed a haircut. Badly. Her hair was destroyed. I also have long hair (although not that long), but if it got that trashed, I would chop it. And like you said, she nominated herself! It's so frustrating to think of all the other people who wanted that position and didn't get it, and then she just is an ungrateful brat the whole way through.

Hair is tricky.  I've worn mine both super long and super short, and I recently chopped it all off.  It was a bit of a wrench to let go of that much hair at once (even though I'd been pondering a drastic haircut for like a year), so I can understand why someone who has that suggestion/request sprung on them might react with (essentially) horror.  It's really easy to get attached to long hair.

But one thing I've had to really admit to myself...long hair is not an especially good look for me, at least not right now.  I wore it up 90% of the time anyway because it looked more professional, but having long hair in a bun ends up looking sort of severe.  Plus, I wasn't willing to invest a lot of time in it, and wash-and-go styles are a little harder to maintain with waist-length hair.  I spend the same amount of time on my hair now that it's short as I did when it was long, only I end up looking like I actually styled it.  It's also way easier to get it looking appropriate for my somewhat formal workplace, which is a huge bonus for me.

I think that finding the range of hair lengths that is the most flattering for any given person can be something of a challenge, and it often involves less than flattering haircuts.  But people who insist that their hair must be long or must be short (or really, must be anything) can be missing out on some very flattering, easy to maintain and fun to wear hairstyles.  That's different than someone who can't grow long hair that looks nice or has tried shorter haircuts and didn't like any of them or only has a finite amount of time/money to invest in any hairstyle.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 08, 2011, 02:16:12 AM
There is a woman, who is still talked about on the message boards as being the worst nominee of all times, Lynn. She had hair probably down to her knees, and she refused to allow Nick, the stylist, to do anything to it. Nothing. No color, no cut, etc. I think she finally agreed to a small trim. She came off looking very ungracious and bratty. The worst part of it all was that she nominated herself and was chosen from a casting call. I guess I do feel that there are so many women who would kill to be on WNTW, that if you accept the makeover process, you should embrace all of it. Not agree to everything blindly, but go in with an open mind and willingness about it.

Aaaaaaaaaargh!!!!! She made me nuts!!!!! And frankly, she needed a haircut. Badly. Her hair was destroyed. I also have long hair (although not that long), but if it got that trashed, I would chop it. And like you said, she nominated herself! It's so frustrating to think of all the other people who wanted that position and didn't get it, and then she just is an ungrateful brat the whole way through.

Snort, I should not comment, but, alas I will.

This lady is from a board that I am on. And this was much talked about

She said they were roughly playing with her hair, trying to convince her to cut. Even sprayed something in it 'to make volume' I have seen the ep you mention.

But, I know what her original clean hair looks like and it is simply wonderful. Well kept. Luscious long hair.

Please remember these shows are about 'dramatic' changes. and there is not much more dramatic than cutting long hair short.

I could say a lot more, but I will get off my soap box now :-X
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: jimithing on September 08, 2011, 09:32:10 AM
There is a woman, who is still talked about on the message boards as being the worst nominee of all times, Lynn. She had hair probably down to her knees, and she refused to allow Nick, the stylist, to do anything to it. Nothing. No color, no cut, etc. I think she finally agreed to a small trim. She came off looking very ungracious and bratty. The worst part of it all was that she nominated herself and was chosen from a casting call. I guess I do feel that there are so many women who would kill to be on WNTW, that if you accept the makeover process, you should embrace all of it. Not agree to everything blindly, but go in with an open mind and willingness about it.

Aaaaaaaaaargh!!!!! She made me nuts!!!!! And frankly, she needed a haircut. Badly. Her hair was destroyed. I also have long hair (although not that long), but if it got that trashed, I would chop it. And like you said, she nominated herself! It's so frustrating to think of all the other people who wanted that position and didn't get it, and then she just is an ungrateful brat the whole way through.

Snort, I should not comment, but, alas I will.

This lady is from a board that I am on. And this was much talked about

She said they were roughly playing with her hair, trying to convince her to cut. Even sprayed something in it 'to make volume' I have seen the ep you mention.

But, I know what her original clean hair looks like and it is simply wonderful. Well kept. Luscious long hair.

Please remember these shows are about 'dramatic' changes. and there is not much more dramatic than cutting long hair short.

I could say a lot more, but I will get off my soap box now :-X

I still think she was bratty and ungracious. She nominated herself, which I think is why people objected to her so much. This wasn't a surprise ambush. She tried out for a makeover show that does full hair and makeup.  It's about a complete transformation. And then refused to allow them to do anything to her hair. She had clearly watched the show before, and knows that one of the biggest parts of the show is the hair. Whether it's a cut, or color, or whatever. She also complained about the makeup and didn't like that either. She didn't feel like herself. If you aren't OK with makeup or hair, don't nominate yourself.

I don't know her personally, but she came off looking very bad on the show and I really have very little sympathy for her.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 08, 2011, 06:53:21 PM
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.
And then on the forum she made daily comments on the real hard sell pressure they were putting on her to cut

I am not trying to make her out to be an angel here, I am just trying to point out this coin has 2 sides. I'm pointing out what little I know of her's.

I forget the reason she nominated herself, It had something to do with a third party involved. left to her own devices I do not believe she would have signed up.

As the end of the showpiece she intended to put her hair up into an elaborate updo, they wouldn't let her. if Nick couldn't do her hair, No hairstyles :(


Hmmmm, I thinks Ma soapbox just grew a yard Oppps, sorry All.  :-[
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 12, 2011, 09:37:48 AM
Well, I remember the before videos of her, and to me, she looked like she needed a good portion of her hair chopped off because it was breaking. I have waist-length hair, so I know what it's like. (New hairdressers are always surprised to see what good shape it's in.) I really feel like there's no point in having really long hair if you don't take really good care of it, and not having so much as a trim for 10 years is not taking care of it. YMMV, of course.

I agree with Jimi. If she didn't want her hair touched and didn't want to wear make-up, she shouldn't have nominated herself for that show. Someone else who would have loved the full transformation should have gotten that spot.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 12, 2011, 09:47:46 AM
Her hair was fine.

And i have hip length hair.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Flora Louise on September 12, 2011, 10:07:10 AM
Not only do I like What Not To Wear, I've hounded my sister to nominate me. $5k in new clothes and professional advice on hair and makeup? Please oh please throw ME in that briar patch!
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Dr. Horrible on September 12, 2011, 10:42:28 AM
WNTW is OK for me, I like getting tips for my body shape. But the hair...? If I ever went on it, they couldn't colour it. No way, no how. Because colouring is something you have to maintain, and I'd be upset that I now have to spend money on this hairstyle you gave me. I'd also be mad if you gave me a hair cut that I would have to blow-dry into submission everytime I washed it. I need wash and go, people!

Clothes? Makeup advice? That's a one-time shot, NBD.

Although Carmindy's (?) advice of: "Wear full foundation plus concealer EVERYDAY plus all this eye makeup and lipwear" always seemed a little OTT to me. If you're used to running out the door with little to nothing, a full face of makeup everyday seems a bit much. If she was recommending special occasion makeup, I'd understand, but its always explained as everyday makeup. Unless she's offering to come over everyday to do my face for me...
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Wonderflonium on September 12, 2011, 10:45:45 AM
I can do foundation, blush, eyeliner, mascara, and gloss in about 5 minutes. It just takes practice.  :)
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 12, 2011, 10:47:35 AM
I guess my idea is kind of understated then, Dr Horrible.

Tinted moisturizer, waterproof mascara and tinted lip balm is it lol
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Two Ravens on September 12, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
Carmindy's book is even called "The Five Minute Face" http://www.amazon.com/5-Minute-Face-Quick-Makeup-Guide/dp/0061238260

Really, you have to maintain just a regular haircut or it starts to look bad after a while.

Regarding Lynn:
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.

Really, the producers should have just called "Next!" at that point.

I can remember a handful of really bad guests.  There was also a 40 something women who wanted to compete with her 20 year old daughter for men, and Clinton explained that that was never really going to happen.  I believe she was unhappy with the whole experience as well.  Or the women who wanted to be better, "So my son (4) won't leave me like all the other men in my life."

Some of the women on that show seem like they really need therapy, and not just the retail kind
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 12, 2011, 10:57:03 AM
Carmindy's book is even called "The Five Minute Face" http://www.amazon.com/5-Minute-Face-Quick-Makeup-Guide/dp/0061238260

Really, you have to maintain just a regular haircut or it starts to look bad after a while.

Regarding Lynn:
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.

Really, the producers should have just called "Next!" at that point.

I can remember a handful of really bad guests.  There was also a 40 something women who wanted to compete with her 20 year old daughter for men, and Clinton explained that that was never really going to happen.  I believe she was unhappy with the whole experience as well.  Or the women who wanted to be better, "So my son (4) won't leave me like all the other men in my life."

Some of the women on that show seem like they really need therapy, and not just the retail kind

I agree with you. With the type of show it is, she really shouldn't have even been on it. I don't know what the producers were thinking. [apart from conflict means ratings]
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Dr. Horrible on September 12, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
Like I said, if you're used to a daily makeup routine, the makeup advice wouldn't faze you, right? It would just be new colour suggestions? But for me, I do nothing. I have face cream, but its not tinted. I don't put on mascara, lipstick, etc. So to have someone say "You should really take a few months [for me, I don't have a steady hand] to learn how to apply makeup in the morning. See how nice you'd look!" I'd go "Enh. I'll remember this colour combo for when I'm dressing up. But I'd rather do something else with my morning time."

Those of you with nice quick morning rituals, that is nice to see. I appreciate good makeup, even if I don't do it myself (please, more of you wear outrageous eye makeup! It brightens my day  ;) )

Carmindy's book is even called "The Five Minute Face" http://www.amazon.com/5-Minute-Face-Quick-Makeup-Guide/dp/0061238260

Really, you have to maintain just a regular haircut or it starts to look bad after a while.

Its nice she has a book, if I ever decided to fitz around with early morning tools I'll look into it :)

My haircuts tend to be... low maintenance. I really dislike maintaining haircuts that will most likely be put up and out of my face, anyhoo.

I'm so lazy  ;D
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Flora Louise on September 12, 2011, 11:04:58 AM


. . . I can remember a handful of really bad guests.  There was also a 40 something women who wanted to compete with her 20 year old daughter for men, and Clinton explained that that was never really going to happen.  I believe she was unhappy with the whole experience as well.  . . . [/quote]

Yes, she wept, literally, through much of the show.

(And I think she was in her 50s, not 40s, and expected to compete for men with her 30 year old daughter. Like a page out of Tennessee Williams, she was.)

Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: TulipWorthy on September 16, 2011, 04:54:22 PM
I remember Lynn who refused to cut her hair.  It was to bad she did not cut it because her long hair was not attractive for her face and it aged her so much.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Firecat on September 18, 2011, 09:36:43 PM
I have mixed feelings about WNTW (the US version). I feel like, most of the time, the advice is decent (although, short though I am, I will never wear pointy-toe shoes - I've never found a pair I thought was the least bit comfortable for my wide feet). And the women seem happy with the results.

And yet...I don't like the "ambush" tactics. And I do feel sometimes like Stacy and Clinton act like everyone should be spending lots of time paying attention to fashion trends and the like - and mostly, I just don't care that much. I just try to dress sensibly and comfortably for the occasion, personally (although I do wear makeup).

On SYTTD, I can sometimes understand the consultants' frustration. I remember one bride who was a professional cheerleader. The bride was interested in a classic dress, and her mother wanted her to be showing as much skin as possible. The poor girl was nearly in tears, right there in the salon. And the consultant was seriously annoyed with the mother and trying not to show it; I couldn't blame her at all for the comments made to the camera that the mother wasn't privy to. So again, mixed feelings.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Dindrane on September 19, 2011, 09:10:28 AM
And I do feel sometimes like Stacy and Clinton act like everyone should be spending lots of time paying attention to fashion trends and the like - and mostly, I just don't care that much. I just try to dress sensibly and comfortably for the occasion, personally (although I do wear makeup).

Ultimately, people who are completely unaware of fashion trends are the most likely to wear clothing that looks dated.  It's really easy to get used to wearing a particular type of clothing that you see as "classic," and not realize that everyone around you sees it as trendy...from 10 years ago.  If you don't pay at least some attention to fashion trends, it's incredibly hard to know what's a trend and what's just a basic, classic wardrobe item.

WNTW really does focus most on those basic, classic wardrobe items, too.  Most of the participants end up with things like really great basic pants that will last for years, look flattering and fashionable for years, and thus justify their probably steeper-than-usual price tag.  Whether the person who owns the pants wants to pair them with trendy accessories/tops or more classic wardrobe pieces is up to them, but you won't ever be able to identify the non-trendy pants unless you know what trendy looks like.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: immadz on September 19, 2011, 03:22:52 PM
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.
And then on the forum she made daily comments on the real hard sell pressure they were putting on her to cut

I am not trying to make her out to be an angel here, I am just trying to point out this coin has 2 sides. I'm pointing out what little I know of her's.

I forget the reason she nominated herself, It had something to do with a third party involved. left to her own devices I do not believe she would have signed up.

As the end of the showpiece she intended to put her hair up into an elaborate updo, they wouldn't let her. if Nick couldn't do her hair, No hairstyles :(


Hmmmm, I thinks Ma soapbox just grew a yard Oppps, sorry All.  :-[

This is interesting. I have never seen this show but I do wonder what happens to contestants whose religion forbids them to cut their hair. ..
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Two Ravens on September 19, 2011, 03:30:55 PM
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.
And then on the forum she made daily comments on the real hard sell pressure they were putting on her to cut

I am not trying to make her out to be an angel here, I am just trying to point out this coin has 2 sides. I'm pointing out what little I know of her's.

I forget the reason she nominated herself, It had something to do with a third party involved. left to her own devices I do not believe she would have signed up.

As the end of the showpiece she intended to put her hair up into an elaborate updo, they wouldn't let her. if Nick couldn't do her hair, No hairstyles :(


Hmmmm, I thinks Ma soapbox just grew a yard Oppps, sorry All.  :-[

This is interesting. I have never seen this show but I do wonder what happens to contestants whose religion forbids them to cut their hair. ..

I doubt it has ever come up before.  Most people whose religion forbids them to cut their hair are not concerned about looking fashionable...
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Firecat on September 19, 2011, 05:34:05 PM
And I do feel sometimes like Stacy and Clinton act like everyone should be spending lots of time paying attention to fashion trends and the like - and mostly, I just don't care that much. I just try to dress sensibly and comfortably for the occasion, personally (although I do wear makeup).

Ultimately, people who are completely unaware of fashion trends are the most likely to wear clothing that looks dated.  It's really easy to get used to wearing a particular type of clothing that you see as "classic," and not realize that everyone around you sees it as trendy...from 10 years ago.  If you don't pay at least some attention to fashion trends, it's incredibly hard to know what's a trend and what's just a basic, classic wardrobe item.

WNTW really does focus most on those basic, classic wardrobe items, too.  Most of the participants end up with things like really great basic pants that will last for years, look flattering and fashionable for years, and thus justify their probably steeper-than-usual price tag.  Whether the person who owns the pants wants to pair them with trendy accessories/tops or more classic wardrobe pieces is up to them, but you won't ever be able to identify the non-trendy pants unless you know what trendy looks like.

I didn't say I paid no attention, just not as much attention as they seem to think is necessary. Because I have ways to spend my mental and emotional energy that I perceive to be more interesting and more important to me - anyone else is, of course, entirely free to choose differently. And entirely free to perceive me as unfashionable if they wish  ;D.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Twik on September 19, 2011, 08:06:47 PM
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.
And then on the forum she made daily comments on the real hard sell pressure they were putting on her to cut

I am not trying to make her out to be an angel here, I am just trying to point out this coin has 2 sides. I'm pointing out what little I know of her's.

I forget the reason she nominated herself, It had something to do with a third party involved. left to her own devices I do not believe she would have signed up.

As the end of the showpiece she intended to put her hair up into an elaborate updo, they wouldn't let her. if Nick couldn't do her hair, No hairstyles :(


Hmmmm, I thinks Ma soapbox just grew a yard Oppps, sorry All.  :-[

This is interesting. I have never seen this show but I do wonder what happens to contestants whose religion forbids them to cut their hair. ..

I doubt it has ever come up before.  Most people whose religion forbids them to cut their hair are not concerned about looking fashionable...

I suspect that is something of an interesting assumption.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Curly Wurly Doggie Breath on September 19, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.
And then on the forum she made daily comments on the real hard sell pressure they were putting on her to cut

I am not trying to make her out to be an angel here, I am just trying to point out this coin has 2 sides. I'm pointing out what little I know of her's.

I forget the reason she nominated herself, It had something to do with a third party involved. left to her own devices I do not believe she would have signed up.

As the end of the showpiece she intended to put her hair up into an elaborate updo, they wouldn't let her. if Nick couldn't do her hair, No hairstyles :(


Hmmmm, I thinks Ma soapbox just grew a yard Oppps, sorry All.  :-[

This is interesting. I have never seen this show but I do wonder what happens to contestants whose religion forbids them to cut their hair. ..

I doubt it has ever come up before.  Most people whose religion forbids them to cut their hair are not concerned about looking fashionable...

I suspect that is something of an interesting assumption.

I agree Twik. My hair is long for religious reasons, Altho I trim often to keep it good and healthy. I am reasonably fashion conscious. [I also wear mascara and lippy,tinted moisturizer  it is allowed as long as it is plain, not over the top. Looks natural]. I don't hide my multiple earnings tho they are frowned upon.  :P.

I am who I am, to Myself be true.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: DuBois on September 20, 2011, 01:28:23 PM
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.
And then on the forum she made daily comments on the real hard sell pressure they were putting on her to cut

I am not trying to make her out to be an angel here, I am just trying to point out this coin has 2 sides. I'm pointing out what little I know of her's.

I forget the reason she nominated herself, It had something to do with a third party involved. left to her own devices I do not believe she would have signed up.

As the end of the showpiece she intended to put her hair up into an elaborate updo, they wouldn't let her. if Nick couldn't do her hair, No hairstyles :(


Hmmmm, I thinks Ma soapbox just grew a yard Oppps, sorry All.  :-[

This is interesting. I have never seen this show but I do wonder what happens to contestants whose religion forbids them to cut their hair. ..

I doubt it has ever come up before.  Most people whose religion forbids them to cut their hair are not concerned about looking fashionable...

I suspect that is something of an interesting assumption.

I suspect the same thing, it seems an awfully broad statement.
Title: Re: What say you about the stars of makeover type shows -- rude?
Post by: Two Ravens on September 20, 2011, 02:08:57 PM
From what I understand, She signed a disclaimer saying that she would only do the show if they left her hair alone.
And then on the forum she made daily comments on the real hard sell pressure they were putting on her to cut

I am not trying to make her out to be an angel here, I am just trying to point out this coin has 2 sides. I'm pointing out what little I know of her's.

I forget the reason she nominated herself, It had something to do with a third party involved. left to her own devices I do not believe she would have signed up.

As the end of the showpiece she intended to put her hair up into an elaborate updo, they wouldn't let her. if Nick couldn't do her hair, No hairstyles :(


Hmmmm, I thinks Ma soapbox just grew a yard Oppps, sorry All.  :-[

This is interesting. I have never seen this show but I do wonder what happens to contestants whose religion forbids them to cut their hair. ..

I doubt it has ever come up before.  Most people whose religion forbids them to cut their hair are not concerned about looking fashionable...

I suspect that is something of an interesting assumption.

Perhaps it was. Apologies to any offended.