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General Etiquette => Etiquette of the Rich and Famous => Topic started by: DCGirl on December 08, 2011, 02:16:57 PM

Title: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: DCGirl on December 08, 2011, 02:16:57 PM
The wife of the CMO of Rovio, the company responsible for the Angry Birds game, wore a dress with an angry bird on it to a state dinner celebrating Finland's independence day.  See here for the picture:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/12/wife-of-rovio-executive-dons-formal-angry-birds-gown-at-fancy-finnish-ball.html

As the L.A. Times writer says:

Quote
Awesome? Insane? Glamorous? Ridiculous?

You decide.

I guess we should be grateful she didn't go for a dress featuring the green pig, huh? 

But, seriously, would you consider this an etiquette breach? 
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Sabbyfrog2 on December 08, 2011, 02:26:52 PM
If this is rude then so is Lady Gaga.  I don't view it as an etiquette breach but a matter of taste and style. I actually see it as kind of a nod to her husband and not so hideous as described.  She wore a formal gown to a formal event. The design on it isn't to my taste but hey, I also don't like flowers on formal gowns so it's really a matter of personal style. Actually, I much rather prefer that dress to some of the other more questionable attire I see on red carpets.

 
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Ruelz on December 08, 2011, 02:30:43 PM
I wouldn't wear it, I'm too conservative in my clothing tastes, but I like Angry Birds (something to do with all the abuse I take from my parrots I think) and I don't mind the dress.  All told, it's actually relatively elegant.  If I didn't know it was Angry Birds based, I wouldn't have thought more about it...
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: rose red on December 08, 2011, 02:32:07 PM
The design is a bit "hidden" and I wouldn't notice it was Angry Birds if it wasn't pointed out.  I think the dress is elegant with a bit of humor and would love it if she wore it to my formal party, but I'm not anybody important and don't live in a palace.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Knitterly on December 08, 2011, 02:32:37 PM
The dress could have been okay, but the placement of the eye is questionable, which is probably at least partially responsible for the criticism.  That aside, it's actually kind of pretty.  :)
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Judah on December 08, 2011, 02:35:24 PM
She was dressed appropriately for the occasion, formal dress for formal affair, that's all that etiquette asks.  Fashion is another thing altogether.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Yvaine on December 08, 2011, 02:36:41 PM
I have no idea if it's polite, but it's a pretty dress and it's funny!  :D And I agree that it's subtle enough to just look like a regular dress if you're not looking for the bird.

The dress could have been okay, but the placement of the eye is questionable, which is probably at least partially responsible for the criticism.  That aside, it's actually kind of pretty.  :)

That is a good point. I once bought myself a beautiful t-shirt with a tiger face on it--and after the first time I wore it, relegated it to sleep-shirt status. Because I realized the tiger's eyes were...strategic.  :-[ :D I don't think it's rude, but it does draw the eye.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: RingTailedLemur on December 08, 2011, 02:38:41 PM
I have no idea if it's polite, but it's a pretty dress and it's funny!  :D And I agree that it's subtle enough to just look like a regular dress if you're not looking for the bird.

The dress could have been okay, but the placement of the eye is questionable, which is probably at least partially responsible for the criticism.  That aside, it's actually kind of pretty.  :)

That is a good point. I once bought myself a beautiful t-shirt with a tiger face on it--and after the first time I wore it, relegated it to sleep-shirt status. Because I realized the tiger's eyes were...strategic.  :-[ :D I don't think it's rude, but it does draw the eye.

A bug-eyed tiger?

I don't think there is anything wrong with her dress, it's long and elegant.  Unless it's pr0nographic, I don't see that the colour/fabric pattern of a dress falls into etiquette territory.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: magicdomino on December 08, 2011, 02:43:32 PM
I like it, so I'm going with awesome.  It is amusing and creative without being silly.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Bibliophile on December 08, 2011, 03:03:37 PM
I like it, so I'm going with awesome.  It is amusing and creative without being silly.

I'm parkin' my POD with this one.  I don't think it's rude at all. 
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: MorgnsGrl on December 08, 2011, 03:04:12 PM
The wife of the CMO of Rovio, the company responsible for the Angry Birds game, wore a dress with an angry bird on it to a state dinner celebrating Finland's independence day.  See here for the picture:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/12/wife-of-rovio-executive-dons-formal-angry-birds-gown-at-fancy-finnish-ball.html

As the L.A. Times writer says:

Quote
Awesome? Insane? Glamorous? Ridiculous?

You decide.

I guess we should be grateful she didn't go for a dress featuring the green pig, huh? 

But, seriously, would you consider this an etiquette breach?

I don't think it's an etiquette breach. She is appropriately covered in a manner similar to other women (even if the design on her dress is a bit unusual.) I think it's awesome.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Bethczar on December 08, 2011, 03:07:33 PM
I like it, so I'm going with awesome.  It is amusing and creative without being silly.

I'm parkin' my POD with this one.  I don't think it's rude at all.
Yup, I thought it was pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Nora on December 08, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
I like it, so I'm going with awesome.  It is amusing and creative without being silly.

I'm parkin' my POD with this one.  I don't think it's rude at all.
Yup, I thought it was pretty cool.

Extremely cool! I'd wear that in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: jimithing on December 08, 2011, 03:33:32 PM
I don't think it's very flattering, but it's pretty subtle. And she's not some random woman. Her husband helped create the game. I would say appropriate. :)
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Dazi on December 08, 2011, 03:51:06 PM
I was picturing something so much worse...I was pleasantly surprised.  For some reason I was picturing something very red, very short and involving a lot of feathers. 

It floor length, a nice off the shoulder cut, everything is covered and her hair is done nicely and understated. I say it is positively modest compared to what it could have been.

Though, the pig green might have suited her colouring better  ;).  kidding, kidding
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: RobinJ on December 08, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
I was picturing something so much worse...I was pleasantly surprised.  For some reason I was picturing something very red, very short and involving a lot of feathers. 

Me too!

I like the dress.  I'd never wear it as it is not my style at all but for her (considering he DH) why not?
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: P-p-p-penguin on December 08, 2011, 04:48:08 PM
I think it's totally awesome!  I love Angry Birds and I thought it was a great way to show support for her hubby.  It's a nice dress and was appropriate for the occasion.  I fail to see how it could be rude.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: WillyNilly on December 08, 2011, 04:57:46 PM
I think it was appropriate for the event, for her body type and quite frankly to her station in life - Angry Birds helped make her husband successful (the profits from the game no doubt in large part helped her get to a place to be invited to such an event and be able to afford a custom dress).

I see nothing rude or any etiquette breaches whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Winterlight on December 08, 2011, 07:23:53 PM
I think it's fine- she's appropriately clad for the occasion.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: lollylegs on December 08, 2011, 10:59:21 PM
When I read the OP, before seeing the picture, my first thought was, "It's a bit crass to self promote at a state dinner." Now that I've seen the dress... I don't know. It's very pretty, bright, fun and definitely appropriate for the occasion, and if the Angry Birds connection hadn't been pointed out to me I wouldn't have even know, but... I don't know, I still think it's slightly crass.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Minmom3 on December 08, 2011, 11:04:31 PM
I have no idea if it's polite, but it's a pretty dress and it's funny!  :D And I agree that it's subtle enough to just look like a regular dress if you're not looking for the bird.

The dress could have been okay, but the placement of the eye is questionable, which is probably at least partially responsible for the criticism.  That aside, it's actually kind of pretty.  :)

That is a good point. I once bought myself a beautiful t-shirt with a tiger face on it--and after the first time I wore it, relegated it to sleep-shirt status. Because I realized the tiger's eyes were...strategic.  :-[ :D I don't think it's rude, but it does draw the eye.

A bug-eyed tiger?

I don't think there is anything wrong with her dress, it's long and elegant.  Unless it's pr0nographic, I don't see that the colour/fabric pattern of a dress falls into etiquette territory.

Snerk...  When I was in high school, back in 'ought 2... (early 70's actually), my darling Grandmother game me a happy face t-shirt for Christmas.  Fugly.  Thing was chipmunk cheeked.  Which my boyfriend and all the guys I knew thought was WONDERFUL, and mortified me.  It became a sleep shirt post haste...
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Ereine on December 08, 2011, 11:28:23 PM
I don't mind the dress, though it's not really to my taste.

That said, I think that an argument can be made that it wasn't maybe really appropriate, for reasons that don't probably make sense unless you're Finnish. Independence Day is a celebration, but not really in the sense I imagine it's in the US. It's more of a remembrance as we came very close to losing our independence during WWII and Independence Day is mostly about that. The only parades that happen are either military or students with candles who march to graves of fallen soldiers (Finland retrieved most of the bodies so all cemeteries have an area of "hero graves"), there's always a famous war movie on tv and the biggest event is watching the party at president's palace on tv (I think that about a quarter of population watches it live).

It is mostly a frivolous party but even it is partly about the war veterans (I think that we should also find some other forms of celebration but for many people Independence Day is only about the veterans and their sacrifices). So before the party the tabloids run stories about who's invited (certain people are guaranteed invitations, like members of parliament, both domestic and EU, diplomats, representatives of churches, police force, military and so on. There will also be some people the president has met on her travels, artists, athletes who have done well, business people, war veterans, all in all 1500 guests) and what they will be wearing. Some people will say that the party is a bad idea and takes away from what Independence Day should be about, it's a very serious day after all. Then there's the party. It's incredibly boring tv, there's couple of hours of people shaking hands with the president, hoping that someone will wear something crazy and then there are interviews about what Independence means to you (mostly they are grateful for the sacrifices of the war veterans). It's pretty much the same every year (except next year we'll have a new president but the party will still be there). Then the next day the tabloids and newspapers have pictures of the dresses, polls about who was the prettiest and stories about who had the craziest outfit and then some people will be upset because people weren't respecting the serious occasion and that it shouldn't be about them standing out but about honoring the work of the people who had built the country. There will always be people who wear crazy clothes but it isn't really a red carpet event (despite the red carpet) in the sense of Oscars or something like that so I guess that if it can argued that if you can't wear clothes that are too crazy at a wedding then you shouldn't at that party. Personally I don't really mind and have only watched it on tv because of the outfits. There were some things this year that did break etiquette, like these ones (http://www.iltalehti.fi/linnanjuhlat/2011120714902763_lj.shtml) (the first ones are about having your hair down which is apparently awful. Then there's a woman in a suit that isn't formal enough and a member of parliament who always dresses like that).
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: DCGirl on December 09, 2011, 07:34:57 AM
Thank you, ereine, for supplying the Finnish perspective.  That was very interesting and very helpful.  With that said, I posted the story here because I thought the dress was eyebrow-raising (although, honestly, it was about as tasteful as a dress decorated with an angry bird could possibly be).  Now, I think I'm leaning even more in the direction of not appropriate for the solemnity of Independence Day in Finland. 
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Yvaine on December 09, 2011, 07:51:46 AM
That said, I think that an argument can be made that it wasn't maybe really appropriate, for reasons that don't probably make sense unless you're Finnish. Independence Day is a celebration, but not really in the sense I imagine it's in the US. It's more of a remembrance as we came very close to losing our independence during WWII and Independence Day is mostly about that. The only parades that happen are either military or students with candles who march to graves of fallen soldiers (Finland retrieved most of the bodies so all cemeteries have an area of "hero graves"), there's always a famous war movie on tv and the biggest event is watching the party at president's palace on tv (I think that about a quarter of population watches it live).

It is mostly a frivolous party but even it is partly about the war veterans (I think that we should also find some other forms of celebration but for many people Independence Day is only about the veterans and their sacrifices).

That makes sense. It sounds like your Independence Day is more like the US's Memorial Day. The US's Independence Day--while there is attention paid to more recent conflicts--is more based on events in 1776 and so emotions aren't really high about it anymore, and for most people I know, it's mostly about barbecuing and blowing things up.  ;D (I have a half-joking theory that it's a subconscious surrogate for a midsummer fire festival.)
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: lady_disdain on December 09, 2011, 08:08:35 AM
While it is a formal dress, etc, I don't think that serving as a walking billboard for your husband is in good taste.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: JenJay on December 09, 2011, 05:38:42 PM
Oh. I was picturing a nice dress with a small Angry Birds decoration like a brooch or something. That was... different. I personally wouldn't want a giant white eye right on my boobeh while wearing a red dress, but I'm funny like that.  :P

I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to the occasion or not until I read Ereine's post. Now I'm thinking it's not.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on December 09, 2011, 06:16:32 PM
No wardrobe malfunction, no foul. (Pun notwithstanding.)

I would hardly call it a "walking billboard".  I would also not be surprised if her husband is on the guest list *because* of the success of the game.

Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: SuperMartianRobotGirl on December 09, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
I guess it could be argued that it wasn't an appropriate venue for advertising. I'm on the fence.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: ShadesOfGrey on December 09, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
I dont really have an issue with it, and actually think it's clever, though I do think the placement of the eye is a bit tacky (though I do recognize it's probably the best place, fashion-wise).

that said, it's a "fun" dress, and if it's a solemn occasion, then it's not appropriate. But my lack of knowledge of finnish culture keeps me from stating that with certaintly, kwim?
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on December 09, 2011, 07:00:24 PM
I dont really have an issue with it, and actually think it's clever, though I do think the placement of the eye is a bit tacky (though I do recognize it's probably the best place, fashion-wise).

that said, it's a "fun" dress, and if it's a solemn occasion, then it's not appropriate. But my lack of knowledge of finnish culture keeps me from stating that with certaintly, kwim?

I think it's far more restrained than some of the things one would see here in the US at an occasion of similar solemnity. 
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: ShadesOfGrey on December 09, 2011, 07:04:01 PM
I dont really have an issue with it, and actually think it's clever, though I do think the placement of the eye is a bit tacky (though I do recognize it's probably the best place, fashion-wise).

that said, it's a "fun" dress, and if it's a solemn occasion, then it's not appropriate. But my lack of knowledge of finnish culture keeps me from stating that with certaintly, kwim?

I think it's far more restrained than some of the things one would see here in the US at an occasion of similar solemnity.

Agreed, but that also doesnt make them appropriate, or this one appropriate by comparison.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: CakeEater on December 13, 2011, 03:48:36 AM
Am I the only one who immediately thought she was somewhat...er... exposed?

Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: JenJay on December 13, 2011, 03:10:15 PM
Am I the only one who immediately thought she was somewhat...er... exposed?
Nope.  :P
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: immadz on December 13, 2011, 04:25:16 PM
Am I the only one who immediately thought she was somewhat...er... exposed?
Nope.  :P

Exposed because it was off the shoulder?
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Cosmasia on December 13, 2011, 05:41:49 PM
Am I the only one who immediately thought she was somewhat...er... exposed?
Nope.  :P

Huh? The only skin she's showing is her arms, one shoulder and, well, her face. How is that exposed?
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on December 13, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
Am I the only one who immediately thought she was somewhat...er... exposed?
Nope.  :P

Huh? The only skin she's showing is her arms, one shoulder and, well, her face. How is that exposed?

The white background on the bird's face can make someone do a double take about whether the dress has an amazon-esque design.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: immadz on December 13, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
Am I the only one who immediately thought she was somewhat...er... exposed?
Nope.  :P

Huh? The only skin she's showing is her arms, one shoulder and, well, her face. How is that exposed?

The white background on the bird's face can make someone do a double take about whether the dress has an amazon-esque design.

To each his/her own. To me, it is very obviously not skin, it is so white.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on December 13, 2011, 05:57:18 PM
Am I the only one who immediately thought she was somewhat...er... exposed?
Nope.  :P

Huh? The only skin she's showing is her arms, one shoulder and, well, her face. How is that exposed?

The white background on the bird's face can make someone do a double take about whether the dress has an amazon-esque design.

To each his/her own. To me, it is very obviously not skin, it is so white.

I agree, but then I find this dress clever and slightly whimsical, and since there are so many possible interpretations for what the event does/should mean and who is/is not invited and why, that the dress seemed perfectly acceptable to me. 
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: baglady on December 13, 2011, 10:00:10 PM
That's not a bird dress. THIS is a bird dress!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6508835931_5dd67d936f.jpg)
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: MamaMootz on December 14, 2011, 12:01:47 PM
Parking my POD with lollylegs and Lady Disdain.

I think it's tacky to self-promote like this at a state dinner. Yes, the design of the angry bird is subtle, but a state dinner in celebration of a solemn event is not the place to wear it.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Sharnita on December 14, 2011, 05:48:22 PM
Parking my POD with lollylegs and Lady Disdain.

I think it's tacky to self-promote like this at a state dinner. Yes, the design of the angry bird is subtle, but a state dinner in celebration of a solemn event is not the place to wear it.

That's how I feel as well.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: Ereine on December 14, 2011, 11:22:13 PM
Last year the two most scandalous dresses had pictures of people on them: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/linnanjuhlat/linnan-allistyttavimmat-puvut/art-1288354280050.html . One woman had a photo of her daughter, she also broke etiquette by giving the president a message from the daughter (apparently the daughter wanted to attend too). The other had a picture of the woman's father, who wasn't asked about it and got angry at his daughter. Also she had given him a medal he hadn't earned (it's customary to wear whatever medals you have, even non-military people can have them for things like long career as a civil servant, my mother and stepmother both have those and there are strict rules about how you're supposed to wear them, of course).

One special thing about the dress code is that folk dress is accepted and even encouraged, which leads to outfits like this (http://www.aamulehti.fi/cs/Satellite?c=AMArticle_C&childpagename=KAL_newssite%2FAMLayout&cid=1194709163213&p=1194596113763&packedargs=packedargs%3DAMArticleCommentThreadDetails%25253AsortOrder%253Dasc&pagename=KALWrapper) (based on an ancient dress), this (http://yle.fi/linnanjuhlat/2002/kuvat/juhlakuvat/torikka.jpg) (Sami, the only indigenous people in Europe) and [img=http://eva02.statkal.fi/plus/img/mega/20101206/mega_101206linnanjuhlat_9997563.jpg]http://this[/img] (traditional dress of Romany here) being very appropriate.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: nolechica on December 21, 2011, 04:05:41 AM
Aside from my first thought being how did I not already know about this dress? I see nothing wrong with the dress given her husband's position.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: TheBardess on January 08, 2012, 08:08:38 PM
Honestly, if I had not been told "This is an 'Angry Birds' dress," I'm not sure I would have figured that out on my own. I would have just thought it was some sort of odd geometric design.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: KenveeB on January 08, 2012, 08:39:14 PM
The dress isn't nearly as bad as I was imagining.  I think it's a very pretty dress, and a lot of fun.  That said, I think it would have been perfectly appropriate for any number of formal parties, but not really for a state dinner at a palace. One on a remembrance day especially. It wasn't rude to wear -- she's covered in the significant places and of the proper level of formality -- but I just don't think it's quite appropriate for the circumstances.
Title: Re: The Angry Birds dress
Post by: emeraldsage85 on January 16, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
When I opened the link I was prepared for something like Bjork's infamous swan dress. This is actually tastefully done and I don't think there's any faux pas. It was an appropriate dress for a formal event.