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General Etiquette => Etiquette of the Rich and Famous => Topic started by: drebay on January 09, 2012, 11:04:58 AM

Title: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: drebay on January 09, 2012, 11:04:58 AM
When their baby was born, they had the ward on lockdown.  One dad couldn't get to his twins in the NICU.  If you want that much privacy/security, rent the whole wing in advance.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Shoo on January 09, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
When I read this, it made me very angry at the hospital administration for allowing this kind of thing to happen. 

Celebrities who wish for more privacy than the hospital can provide should arrange a private birth somewhere.  I find the whole notion that these two people are so important that their wishes override those of other patients to be preposterous and infuriating.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: WillyNilly on January 09, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
It was disgusting behavior on their part on the part of the hospital for allowing it. 
The hospital also confiscated all the staff's cell phones to prevent cell photos.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Twik on January 09, 2012, 12:15:10 PM
I agree - celebrities should not be treated as if their needs are more important than us "little people." I understand why they want privacy (I'm sure a secret photo of the birth would be worth a small fortune in today's media), but they do not have the right to inconvenience other people for it. As everyone else has mentioned, I'm sure that they could have found a private location other than a hospital ward for the birth, and keeping desperate parents from seeing their own sick babies is obscene. Shame on the hospital for that!
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Searcher on January 09, 2012, 12:34:43 PM
Truly.  No celebrity is entitled to lock down an entire hospital ward.  I don't blame the other father for being totally furious that he couldn't get to his own wife and twins.

I think it's not just Jay-Z and Beyonce that owe him an apology-the hospital does too.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: SiotehCat on January 09, 2012, 12:50:11 PM
I don't think Jay Z and Beyonce owe anyone an apology. They made their own arrangements with the hospital and the hospital accomodated them. That is all on the hospital.

Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Sabbyfrog2 on January 09, 2012, 12:51:14 PM
The hospital also confiscated all the staff's cell phones to prevent cell photos.

I am gonna be the voice of dissent.
My day job is at a healthcare company. Patient information protection is of the utmost importance but sometimes, unfortunately, even staffers violate HIPAA laws and patient privacy rules. Some of our facilities have this rule as a permanent thing, not only to protect the celebs, but patient information in general. Anyone can steal someones medical information just by snapping a picture of their records on a computer screen. Also, most people have smart phones these days. They can use them to facebook, twitter, take picutres, email, IM, etc... all it would have taken was one staffer to facebook that Beyonce and Jay-Z were there from their phone for it to become a problem.

A lot of celebs use our facilities partly because of this rule actually. They know they can at least get a minimal garuntee of privacy (where the staff is involved anyway) that way. A pretty big celebrity gave birth in one of our hospitals recently without any of this fanfare. She was flown in by chopper but none of the other extreme measures were put into place. (However, if I remember correctly this was a planned arrival as it the baby was born surgically and she had a private room so that may be where it's different.) In another case however, a nurse actually saw that a celeb had been checked in via emergency room and started calling all her family and friends about it. They also tried to take a photo of the celeb while they were in emergency surgery. She was terminated over it. :o Unfortunately, it's become necassary for the privacy of the patient (aka: celeb) to put rules like this in place because no matter how much you'd LIKE to trust the staff to be professional, inevitably there is always at least ONE staffer/patient of the facility/ someone visiting who will behave egriously. 

As far as closing the wing down, again, while I find it to be very very poor planning on the couples part and the hospitals, I understand the mindset behind it. Again, there would have been SOMEONE, whether it be staff or someone else at the hospital that would have tried to get a picture or autogpraph or something. That, or the possibility of a crowd gathering to get a glimpse once word got out. They had to control it somehow.

People think of celebs as open targets and feel entitled to a celebs photo, autographs, etc... I mean, even here on this forum, people defend "taking a celebs picture in a public area" quite often. It's not unthinkable that someone would have done so there. It's also not hard to believe someone would have tried to snap a picture of the baby and sell it to a tabloid. Or people would have, upon hearing the news that Beyonce and Jay-Z were there, started to gather at the hospital thus further burdening the staff, security, and possibly causing distress to other patients and their families.

Despite all of that... Do I like that they locked it down though? No. Do I condone the father not getting to his babies? No. I think a better solution would have been to admit them to a private suite as discreetly as possible and then limited the number of staff permitted to work the case. I am dissapointed in how the hospital chose to handle it, but I understand exactly why the hospital and celebs demanded that level of extreme privacy and took the measures that they did.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: CuriousParty on January 09, 2012, 01:31:42 PM
I think there are more details here that would clarify things. Admittedly I didn't do exhaustive research, but a quick Google shows that: 1) They did rent out a floor/suite of rooms (it wasn't just placed on lockdown), and this is apparently a service this hospital provides to anyone willing to pay for it (private/reserved space) 2). In several stories the only actual parent complaining of access issues is this one dad, when I would think there would be at least one other parent willing to go on record if it had been that big of a disruption and 3) even for that dad, the only specific incident I saw cited was when he was held IN the NICU for 20 minutes while Beyonce was transported in the hallway. I all seems a bit "tempest in a teapot" and generated a bit too much by one individual.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on January 09, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
I think there are more details here that would clarify things. Admittedly I didn't do exhaustive research, but a quick Google shows that: 1) They did rent out a floor/suite of rooms (it wasn't just placed on lockdown), and this is apparently a service this hospital provides to anyone willing to pay for it (private/reserved space) 2). In several stories the only actual parent complaining of access issues is this one dad, when I would think there would be at least one other parent willing to go on record if it had been that big of a disruption and 3) even for that dad, the only specific incident I saw cited was when he was held IN the NICU for 20 minutes while Beyonce was transported in the hallway. I all seems a bit "tempest in a teapot" and generated a bit too much by one individual.

Agreed.  I wondered if the dad was making a big old fuss to get his name in the papers and some $$$.

My first thought was that he thought he could come and go as he pleased, the hospital perhaps performed normal ID checks he objected to and he blamed Beyonce and Jay-Z.

Like someone said upthread - this was a hospital administration thing.  If Beyonce and Jay-Z were allowed to rent out the space, I doubt they were also the ones patrolling it and "locking it down".  They were probably kinda busy.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: drebay on January 09, 2012, 01:37:31 PM
I think there are more details here that would clarify things. Admittedly I didn't do exhaustive research, but a quick Google shows that: 1) They did rent out a floor/suite of rooms (it wasn't just placed on lockdown), and this is apparently a service this hospital provides to anyone willing to pay for it (private/reserved space) 2). In several stories the only actual parent complaining of access issues is this one dad, when I would think there would be at least one other parent willing to go on record if it had been that big of a disruption and 3) even for that dad, the only specific incident I saw cited was when he was held IN the NICU for 20 minutes while Beyonce was transported in the hallway. I all seems a bit "tempest in a teapot" and generated a bit too much by one individual.

This is taken from the interview:

The arrival of Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s newborn daughter at a Manhattan hospital has inconvenienced a man who says the couple’s security team has prevented him from visiting his prematurely-born twin girls.

Speaking with the New York Daily News, 38-year-old Neil Coulon of Brooklyn says the security team has repeatedly stopped him from visiting the neonatal intensive care unit at Lenox Hill Hospital.

“These are children with problems in intensive care and you’re just going to take over the hospital like you own it? All I want is an apology,” he says.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Winterlight on January 09, 2012, 01:38:35 PM
I'm with Sabbyfrog2. I think it could have been handled better, but it sounds like they were trying to keep the outside craziness to a minimum, from what I've read.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: jimithing on January 09, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
TMZ is reporting that a bunch of women who attend a breastfeeding class are also complaining about their treatment, and feeling like they have been neglected. They are considering a lawsuit against the hospital.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/09/beyonce-baby-breastfeeding-hospital-lawsuit/#.TwtPtnqRnAo

I agree that this is more on the hospital, than on Beyonce and Jay Z, but I do think the gracious thing might be to apologize for others inconveniences, during this time.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Just Lori on January 09, 2012, 03:27:28 PM
I think the hospital did a lousy job of handling this one.  I understand that even celebrities deserve privacy, especially during a time like this, when they just want things to be somewhat normal.  But I also think the hospital needs to tell them that there's only so much they can do.  For instance, let them rent a wing, where nobody goes in and out without permission.  But, do not compromise the common areas.  Other babies deserve to enjoy time in their parents' arms.

Basically, if the hospital can set something up so that the celebrity can enjoy his or her privacy and other patients don't even realize there's a celebrity present, great.  But other private patients should not be expected to accommodate their need for privacy.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on January 09, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
Did Beyon-(d the pale)-ce and the baby's father *ask* the hospital to lock down the ward?  If so, and if they need so much privacy, they could afford to have a private facility instead of impact others at a public hospital.  Heck, they could have built a delivery ward in their home if they needed to. Isn't that what Tom Cruise did?

I don't care if she has a fabulous physique and gets a lot of money for something - she still puts her pants on one leg at a time (if she wears any) and apparently some celebrities need a reminder that it isn't actually all about them. 

Asking the hospital to accommodate special security would be a blizzard of snowflakiness.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: cass2591 on January 09, 2012, 06:14:45 PM
If you read the posts and/or links provided in this thread, you would have discovered that the couple paid the hospital 1.3 million for a private wing. Whether or not that's true I do not know.

Regardless, it sounds to me as though it was the hospital to blame for the inconvenience to others.

Making snide comments about Beyonce's sartorial choices are totally irrelevant.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: nowhere on January 09, 2012, 06:33:21 PM
I have no problem with this. I wish I scored a private room after giving birth for $X/night but none were available. If Beyonce and Jay-Z paid to have a private wing of the hospital, then it is up to the hospital to work out the logistics. If Security was wandering parts of the hospitals and denying access to areas on a whim then that is bad, but sometimes the person they are being paid to protect/escort has to get from Point A to Point B and although it's an inconvenience they usually do their best to make it go as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: JenJay on January 09, 2012, 08:01:39 PM
The article I read said that the one father complained that he was held either in or out of the NICU and waiting room area three times one day and once another day while she was in the hallway. I doubt she lingers around in hallways so I took this to mean for maybe a minute or two as she moved between rooms. I honestly don't see what the big deal is unless he was kept away from his babies for a considerable amount of time (Which, when it comes to sick babies wouldn't be very long. I'd give them 10 or 15 minutes before I got upset) in which case I could see complaining to the hospital administration. I don't don't see why he went to the tabloids unless he was hoping for an $apology$.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Hillia on January 09, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
You know what?  I don't have to listen to a private bodyguard - he's not a law enforcement officer, he can't tell me what I can/can't do.  If hospital security tells me I can't go in, that's one thing, but a private bodyguard can kiss my happy behind.  Rough me up in the NICU...I double dog dare you.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: jimithing on January 09, 2012, 10:12:43 PM
The hospital has issued a statement, and said that they did NOT pay money to have their own wing.

"The suggestion that the couple paid $1.3 million to rent an entire maternity floor is simply not true."

The rep adds, "The family is housed in an executive suite at the hospital and is being billed the standard rate for those accommodations."

According to the rep, "The family does have its own security detail on site. However, the hospital has been and continues to be in control of managing all security at the facility. We have made every effort to ensure minimal disruption to other families experiencing the births of their own children over the past three days."

Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: keelhaulrose on January 09, 2012, 10:51:47 PM
I just showed this story to DH, he and I recently had our second child and she was held in the NICU for a time.
I can't see a hospital denying access to a baby, or babies in this case, in the NICU. We were admitted 23 1/2 hours a day, they asked us to be outside only during shift changes. Yeah, there were security measures. We had to show our bracelets and all that, though eventually the nurses knew us well enough to open the door and let us in, but even when they had a transport team in there they didn't ask us to leave or anything. They asked that, when they were physically moving the baby, we stay where we were, but never to leave.
However, if it is true about the dad being kept in or out, well, in the words of my husband "I don't care if you're a superstar, the richest man in the world, or even the flippin' president, no one is keeping me from my child and if private security guards (DH is one) think they have that power I'll get the police there to give them a reality check".
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: TootsNYC on January 10, 2012, 12:55:31 AM
I think there are more details here that would clarify things. Admittedly I didn't do exhaustive research, but a quick Google shows that: 1) They did rent out a floor/suite of rooms (it wasn't just placed on lockdown), and this is apparently a service this hospital provides to anyone willing to pay for it (private/reserved space) 2). In several stories the only actual parent complaining of access issues is this one dad, when I would think there would be at least one other parent willing to go on record if it had been that big of a disruption and 3) even for that dad, the only specific incident I saw cited was when he was held IN the NICU for 20 minutes while Beyonce was transported in the hallway. I all seems a bit "tempest in a teapot" and generated a bit too much by one individual.

Agreed.  I wondered if the dad was making a big old fuss to get his name in the papers and some $$$.

My first thought was that he thought he could come and go as he pleased, the hospital perhaps performed normal ID checks he objected to and he blamed Beyonce and Jay-Z.

Like someone said upthread - this was a hospital administration thing.  If Beyonce and Jay-Z were allowed to rent out the space, I doubt they were also the ones patrolling it and "locking it down".  They were probably kinda busy.

That was my reaction as well--the delays reported in the Daily News story (which contained those lines that were quoted as well) all seemed to be about 10 minutes long.

As for "arranging for a private birth"--well, I want to give birth in a hospital. W/ a fully staffed operating room down the hall, and a NICU close at hand as well. How easy are those to arrange in a private birth, I wonder?
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Roe on January 10, 2012, 07:33:08 AM
A 'group' of parents are getting together as they were kept from NICU by couples bodyguards. They are considering legal action.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Sabbyfrog2 on January 10, 2012, 08:55:08 AM
A 'group' of parents are getting together as they were kept from NICU by couples bodyguards. They are considering legal action.

Oh for heavenes sakes... that seems totally excessive. How long were these people actually prevented from seeing their babies or held up in the lobby? A minute? An hour? A whole day?
I know that it must have been hard for these parents but come on, lets be realistic. If the reason for being kept from the NICU for a few minutes was because of a some regular Joe with no money but a severe emergency (hypothetically) I highly doubt anyone would be talking "Lawsuit".  I think people just know that the couple have money and are using their "inconvenience"as a way to exploit that. Mob mentality and all...From what I can tell, any delay of any parent visiting lasted but a few minutes (likely during couple/baby transfer periods or shift changes) and no one was ever fully banned from the NICU, or lobby while the couple was there. A few minor inconveniences were had, sure, but nothing lawsuit worthy.

This is getting ridiculous IMO.
I recognize that a new parents emotions are high, and don't dismiss how inconvenient any delays must have been but let's be reasonable here.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Twik on January 10, 2012, 09:15:02 AM
Yes, on receiving the new information, it appears that people were slightly to moderately inconvenienced, but no one was kept from their babies indefinitely. A twenty-minute delay entering or leaving is not worth suing over - goodness knows, in hospitals delays are pretty well the order of the day.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on January 10, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
But it wasn't a no-money joe with a genuine emergency; it was an over-indulged prima donna who is too full of herself and whose outrageous request should never have been accommodated - especially not at the expense of parents in the NICU. In 20 minutes, anybody in ICU can die. So beyonce is so special that her personal sense of security merits blocking parents' access to newborns with an acknowledged survival risk? 

The only rational response to beyonce's request would have been, "who do you think you are? Princess "Catherine"?

The hospital is accountable for not only having acceded to the demand, but for doing so with no sensitivity for the other patients. But beyonce was a spoiled brat to have asked for special treatment.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: mlkind1789 on January 10, 2012, 09:36:56 AM
Yes, on receiving the new information, it appears that people were slightly to moderately inconvenienced, but no one was kept from their babies indefinitely. A twenty-minute delay entering or leaving is not worth suing over - goodness knows, in hospitals delays are pretty well the order of the day.

I would say that in the case of newborns in the NICU, a twenty-minute delay could have been a very big deal.  What if one of the infants in the NICU had died while the parent was kept away?  Would people still say that it was no big deal, things happen?  I seriously doubt it.

That being said, I actually don't entirely blame Beyonce and and Jay Z on this.  They wanted something specific and had the means to pay for it.  Yes, they could have gone to a private birthing center, but they didn't. 

The problem lies mostly with the hospital's implementation of what they wanted.  The hospital seems to have forgotten that they were not the only patients on that ward and should have planned accordingly.  They failed to do so and I do think that they owe an apology to the parents who were inconvenienced.  While it would be nice if Jay Z and Beyonce did, I don't think they are required to.
Title: Re: Jay-z and Beyonce lockdown the ward?
Post by: Hillia on January 10, 2012, 10:04:53 AM
But it wasn't a no-money joe with a genuine emergency; it was an over-indulged prima donna who is too full of herself and whose outrageous request should never have been accommodated - especially not at the expense of parents in the NICU. In 20 minutes, anybody in ICU can die. So beyonce is so special that her personal sense of security merits blocking parents' access to newborns with an acknowledged survival risk? 

The only rational response to beyonce's request would have been, "who do you think you are? Princess "Catherine"?

The hospital is accountable for not only having acceded to the demand, but for doing so with no sensitivity for the other patients. But beyonce was a spoiled brat to have asked for special treatment.


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