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Title: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: emeraldsage85 on May 25, 2012, 10:44:31 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4331796/Voice-judge-William-in-Olympic-Torch-procession-fury.html

Will.i.am, a member of the Black Eyed Peas, was recently chosen as an Olympic Torch bearer. He ran a mile through Taunton, Somerset. He held the torch in one hand and his phone in the other, tweeting several times. Many of the pictures of his run show him focused on his phone and not the crowd.

In my opinion, this is completely rude. There's plenty of time before or after the event to tweet about it and doing it during such an important event is disrespectful to everyone involved.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Betelnut on May 25, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
I agree.  Why the heck couldn't he just enjoy the experience?
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Namárië on May 25, 2012, 11:03:23 AM
I dunno, that seems pretty impressive to me! Walking, texting, and not setting yourself on fire!
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Bibliophile on May 25, 2012, 11:07:03 AM
I dunno, that seems pretty impressive to me! Walking, texting, and not setting yourself on fire!

HA!  It doesn't really bother me so much, but it's not like he couldn't Google to find a pic of himself with the torch. 

I agree.  Why the heck couldn't he just enjoy the experience?

I think about this at every concert where the crowd is too busy taking pics with their phones and looking down when they could be looking at the stage.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Kitty Hawk on May 25, 2012, 12:00:46 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.

Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: something.new.every.day on May 25, 2012, 12:03:48 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.

I should go google this, but isn't it customary for people from various countries (not just the host country) to carry the torch?
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: BeagleMommy on May 25, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
Geez, couldn't he disconnect long enough to enjoy the experience of this honor?  It's not like he had to run a marathon with it.  Most of the torch bearers run a mile or so.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on May 25, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
Perhaps for him, experiencing this honor *was* tweeting it while he ran. 

I'm not sure I see how it is "disrespectful to everyone involved" - it's just another case of a celebrity having his own ideas about what constitutes proper behavior. 

When "who gets to carry the torch" is as much a popularity contest and political decision as it has become, there isn't much "solemnity of the moment" to be worried about.

It's not like they were singing the Star Spangled Banner here - and look how that gets botched.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Horace on May 25, 2012, 03:54:29 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.



I'm British and I wasn't offended by him carrying the torch; I just have no idea why he was selected.  He's not that famous over here despite appearing on our version of The Voice.  It seemed more like a publicity thing for The Voice than anything to do with the Olympics.  He's also been told off repeatedly for texting and tweeting whilst supposedly judging people on The Voice.  I can think of plenty of other American people who have more connections to this country who could have run with the torch instead of him.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Beyond The Veil on May 25, 2012, 03:56:40 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.

I suppose they forgot about David Beckham.

This isn't rude. The guy is just sharing his experience with the world over the phone! New tech generation, different joys and ways of sharing. Nothing rude about it.  ;D I find it rather funny and endearing. He's merely trying to share the joy and have the world there with him with that torch at his fingertips.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Tilt Fairy on May 25, 2012, 04:45:35 PM
argh!! Why do people want to be on their phones all the time? In the cinema, over dinner, at a music concert, during sexy time, in the middle of a football match etc, everywhere! I actually miss for the times we lived in the dark ages. I think I'm just going to throw my phone into the depths of mordor and be done with it. I don't think its rude, maybe disrespectful, but I do think it's very sad. Not sad as in unhappy sad. Sad as in get a life sad.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Corvid on May 25, 2012, 05:25:27 PM
 ::)  I think there is a lack of respect in not giving an honor like carrying the Olympic torch your full attention, yes.  I also think that if you're focused on fiddling with your phone to share your experience during your run, you won't get the full experience.  Maybe he needs to learn how to meditate to train his mind to be in the here and now.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Sapphire on May 26, 2012, 12:01:17 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.

I suppose they forgot about David Beckham.

This isn't rude. The guy is just sharing his experience with the world over the phone! New tech generation, different joys and ways of sharing. Nothing rude about it.  ;D I find it rather funny and endearing. He's merely trying to share the joy and have the world there with him with that torch at his fingertips.

David Beckham brought the flame over from Greece and lit the first torch  :)

I have no problem with Will.i.am carrying it, but it really irritates me, this constant need to text and tweet. Why can't people just enjoy the moment while they are in it, and they can text and tweet to their heart's content afterwards! It is also a bit insulting that he couldn't manage to get the town's name correct, but I guess that just proves he can't multitask as well as he thought he could  ::)
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Tilt Fairy on May 26, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.

I suppose they forgot about David Beckham.

This isn't rude. The guy is just sharing his experience with the world over the phone! New tech generation, different joys and ways of sharing. Nothing rude about it.  ;D I find it rather funny and endearing. He's merely trying to share the joy and have the world there with him with that torch at his fingertips.

David Beckham brought the flame over from Greece and lit the first torch  :)

I have no problem with Will.i.am carrying it, but it really irritates me, this constant need to text and tweet. Why can't people just enjoy the moment while they are in it, and they can text and tweet to their heart's content afterwards! It is also a bit insulting that he couldn't manage to get the town's name correct, but I guess that just proves he can't multitask as well as he thought he could  ::)

I agree. People who are constantly on their phones are missing out on the moment and the atmosphere. You can't get that back. You can go on your phone anytime afterwards. You'll miss out on so many experiences in life if you try and 'capture' it or 'communicate about it'. I was at a rock concert the other night and everyone around me for the entire performance was holding their phones up to try and get a picture/recording of it, then tweeting it or facebooking it. They were just missing out on the moment then and there. They may be fine with that and it's none of my business but I do think they're missing out. I just couldn't imagine not wanting to live every second of a momentous, life-changing or enjoyable experience. Every second counts. Tweet about it on the bus ride home. The bus is boring.

Also, to someone earlier, no one was upset about David Beckham carrying the torch because he's a sports and cultural icon. He's played football for our country, not to mention been captain, he has been a great ambassador for British sports in general and bringing the World Cup (unsuccessfully) and the Olympics to England. So many young people consider him a great role model as an athlete, a footballer and family-man. He seems to love his family and shys away from the spotlight.  No-one has a gripe about David because he's a sports hero and even though he doesn't currently reside her (right?) he is British (not that the British thing is something I care about as olympics is a global event). will.i.am was a silly choice. Everyone thought it was really bizarre.

*unless the "I guess they've forgotten about david beckham" was meant as in "they should have picked David Beckham instead" kind of way, in which case, disregard all I said above!
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Kitty Hawk on May 26, 2012, 01:12:08 PM
I don't understad the Beckham comment either, as far as I know he is still a British citizen. Playing for teams in other countries or even living them doesn't change that.

I have lived in Germany for over 20 years, but am still an American citizen and still identify as such.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: JoieGirl7 on May 26, 2012, 01:27:52 PM
I think the trend started with video cameras.
 
We'd go to to a concert or recital and the parents were not an audience but a massive film crew.
 
While its nice to have a record of the event, the way you experience an event should be more important.  I have memories of sitting there in a seat watching my kid perform--and not through the screen of a vid recorder.
 
As far as cell phones, when I go to a concert, I will take pictures and immediately upload them but I won't text or tweet--no typing.   I can handle a couple of clicks to take a pic and upload but anything more than that is interfering with my concert experience.

That said, I found it really annoying when at a Cake concert the band criticized the crowd for having their cell phones out.  That really turned me off.  They had hundreds of people at their gig, they should be happy with that and not try and turn it into a morality lesson.
 
will.i.am tweeting while carrying the torch just seems a little narcissistic
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Sharnita on May 26, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
I noticed several Olympics ago the athletes marching in had cells out, taking pictures, maybe even texting, posting, talking.  If they do it durning the opening/closing ceremonies I can't fault him too much.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on May 26, 2012, 01:41:51 PM
I think the trend started with video cameras.
 
We'd go to to a concert or recital and the parents were not an audience but a massive film crew.
 
While its nice to have a record of the event, the way you experience an event should be more important.  I have memories of sitting there in a seat watching my kid perform--and not through the screen of a vid recorder.
 
As far as cell phones, when I go to a concert, I will take pictures and immediately upload them but I won't text or tweet--no typing.   I can handle a couple of clicks to take a pic and upload but anything more than that is interfering with my concert experience.

That said, I found it really annoying when at a Cake concert the band criticized the crowd for having their cell phones out.  That really turned me off.  They had hundreds of people at their gig, they should be happy with that and not try and turn it into a morality lesson.
 
will.i.am tweeting while carrying the torch just seems a little narcissistic

Does your camera show a brilliant flash of light as you take the picture? I knew every time the person in front of me at the theater took a picture. 

You may be okay with it, but it's still incredibly disruptive.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: JoieGirl7 on May 26, 2012, 03:07:26 PM
I think the trend started with video cameras.
 
We'd go to to a concert or recital and the parents were not an audience but a massive film crew.
 
While its nice to have a record of the event, the way you experience an event should be more important.  I have memories of sitting there in a seat watching my kid perform--and not through the screen of a vid recorder.
 
As far as cell phones, when I go to a concert, I will take pictures and immediately upload them but I won't text or tweet--no typing.   I can handle a couple of clicks to take a pic and upload but anything more than that is interfering with my concert experience.

That said, I found it really annoying when at a Cake concert the band criticized the crowd for having their cell phones out.  That really turned me off.  They had hundreds of people at their gig, they should be happy with that and not try and turn it into a morality lesson.
 
will.i.am tweeting while carrying the torch just seems a little narcissistic

Does your camera show a brilliant flash of light as you take the picture? I knew every time the person in front of me at the theater took a picture. 

You may be okay with it, but it's still incredibly disruptive.

I don't know that a flash of light would be particularly disruptive at the kinds of concerts that I go to!  ;)
 
Anyway, I am usually not close enough to the action for my flash to light up my subject and the stage lights do a great job of providing light.
 
My point is more that while I may take a few pics and upload them, I would rather my attention be on the band and experiencing the moment in real time.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: MariaE on May 27, 2012, 12:58:13 AM
I actually think it depends a lot on what he was doing while on the phone.

Sending personal texts - could wait so rude.
Tweeting his run for his fans who couldn't be there - part of the new way technology is used and not rude.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: purplemuse on May 29, 2012, 07:33:37 AM
OT from the etiquette of it all, but I can't help but wonder if all this living life through our cell phones/cameras/what have you is making us (or going to make us) less happy as a species...

IMO (and in the opinions of several others), a big part of happiness is being completely absorbed in what you're doing-- living fully in the experience. When you take the time out to film it or whatever, that's taking you out of the experience (or, I think it does, anyway).

But I'm a nutter who doesn't even like taking time out for photographs when I'm having fun.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: lady_disdain on May 29, 2012, 08:10:16 AM
I actually think it depends a lot on what he was doing while on the phone.

Sending personal texts - could wait so rude.
Tweeting his run for his fans who couldn't be there - part of the new way technology is used and not rude.

I disagree with this. Ceremonies should have the participants' full attention, specially in a large, visible role. If a ceremony is relevant enough for someone to participate, it should be important enough to give it your full attention. If it isn't, then you don't consider it an honor and should turn it down (or, if for some reason you can't turn it down, then it is important enough to someone that you should at least pretend). He could have had an assistant tweet for him while did the run, tweet himself immediately before and after the run but not during it.

Unfortunately, this is hardly without precedent. Athletes take pictures and use a cell phone during opening and closing ceremonies. The parade queen is up there taking pictures instead of interacting with the crowd. And so on. When you take on this kind of role, it isn't about your experience, exactly. You are there as a symbol of something.

If this kind of behaviour is frowned upon when it is done by an audience (whether in church, theater, class or meeting), it is even worse when it is carried out by the main lead.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Tilt Fairy on May 29, 2012, 08:29:29 AM
I don't think its a question of being rude or not. More a question of whether you are a sad case or not. Though I doubt will.i.am cares (or anyone else) cares that I think they are sad for being glued to their phone. It's a subjective test after all. One person's sad is another persons 'cool'. No-one has lives anymore. Technology has just pulled us further apart instead of bring us together. I know most of us happily co-exist but you know the people I'm talking about. The ones that give you details of their every bowel movements on their Facebook statuses every half an hour. The ones who you go out to a bar with and who spend the entire night trying to capture a photo of themselves at a good angle looking away from the camera to pretend it's an off guard shot when really its a pose for their new Facebook pic. Ahhh yes, the not-looking-at-the camera but knowing it's there and posing discreetly profile pic.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Winterlight on May 29, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
I think it's rude. Wait till you're done- it's not that long.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: TootsNYC on May 30, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.

I should go google this, but isn't it customary for people from various countries (not just the host country) to carry the torch?

I think the torch shoudl be carried *in* Britain by a Brit. And in America by an American.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Shannon on June 04, 2012, 09:28:20 PM
Probably off-topic, but a number of my British friends were offended by a non-Briton carrying the torch.

I should go google this, but isn't it customary for people from various countries (not just the host country) to carry the torch?

I think the torch shoudl be carried *in* Britain by a Brit. And in America by an American.

He was in Britain. He was in Taunton, in Somerset.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Beyond The Veil on June 04, 2012, 09:37:01 PM
Um...? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146463/London-2012-Olympics-Ben-Ainslie-begins-Olympic-torch-relay.html)
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: MariaE on June 05, 2012, 03:06:38 AM
Um...? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146463/London-2012-Olympics-Ben-Ainslie-begins-Olympic-torch-relay.html)

What are we looking for?
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Beyond The Veil on June 05, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
Um...? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146463/London-2012-Olympics-Ben-Ainslie-begins-Olympic-torch-relay.html)

What are we looking for?

An answer to the whole Britain in Britain thing. I'm highly confused as to what the objection is over, as there are British in Britain carrying it. Logged out there.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: MariaE on June 06, 2012, 12:15:02 AM
Um...? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146463/London-2012-Olympics-Ben-Ainslie-begins-Olympic-torch-relay.html)

What are we looking for?

An answer to the whole Britain in Britain thing. I'm highly confused as to what the objection is over, as there are British in Britain carrying it. Logged out there.

Ah! Gotcha. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: hyzenthlay on June 09, 2012, 12:50:23 AM
Athletes take pictures and use a cell phone during opening and closing ceremonies.

And good for them!

I don't see anything wrong with the athletes enjoying themselves, even if that enjoyment isn't 100% traditional. And I don't see anything wrong with tweeting while carrying the torch unless it is in the final legs of it's run and has become part of the performance that is the opening ceremony.

Then again I see little inherent value in tradition for the sake of tradition.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Corvid on June 09, 2012, 08:54:34 AM
I'm going to guess that Will.i.am is one of those obnoxious twits that texts and tweets when he's having dinner with you.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Venus193 on June 09, 2012, 10:42:41 AM
I read the opening of this thread to a friend over the phone.   Her opinion was that this man is such a genius it never occurs to him that this is rude because his brain capacity is such that he can multitask greater than anyone else.

Which still does not make this acceptable behavior.

Per an earlier post, I vacationed in England four times during the 80s. The third and fourth times I left my camera home and I had a better time because I wasn't constantly trying to take perfect photos.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: Winterlight on June 10, 2012, 02:24:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how he could tweet and carry the torch simultaneously without setting himself on fire.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: lady_disdain on June 10, 2012, 03:01:27 PM
Athletes take pictures and use a cell phone during opening and closing ceremonies.

And good for them!

I don't see anything wrong with the athletes enjoying themselves, even if that enjoyment isn't 100% traditional. And I don't see anything wrong with tweeting while carrying the torch unless it is in the final legs of it's run and has become part of the performance that is the opening ceremony.

Then again I see little inherent value in tradition for the sake of tradition.

I don't think it is a matter of tradition for the sake of tradition. It is about giving your full attention to a ceremony you have been invited to be an important part of.

If, 15 years ago, a torch bearer started chatting to a friend who was on the sidelines, he would have been rude. Tweeting, texting and face booking aren't any different, just because he kept moving while doing it.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: hyzenthlay on June 10, 2012, 07:58:20 PM
I don't think it is a matter of tradition for the sake of tradition. It is about giving your full attention to a ceremony you have been invited to be an important part of.

Who is to say the 'ceremonial' aspect can not change, or that the athletes must consider themselves to be part of the ceremony rather the celebrated guests. And further, it's hardly a ceremony any more. It's a stage presentation, which retains some ceremonial aspects. The audience certainly isn't expected to behave for the entire several hours as if they are at a ceremony, nor is color commentary usually a feature of a ceremony.

I feel as though several people are insisting on a solemn ceremonial aspect when that image of the Olympics has been changing and fading rather distinctly in the last couple of decades. It is first and foremost and athletic competition, not a ceremony. If the athletes and torch runners choose to emphasize that over the ceremony, I don't see a good basis for objecting.
Title: Re: Will.i.am texts while carrying the Olympic Torch
Post by: PurpleFrog on June 11, 2012, 02:26:21 AM
Personally I feel it was disrespectful to everyone involved. He showed a lack of interest in both the honor of carrying the torch & those who had come to see the event. His lack of engagement with the activity and crowd strikes me as both rude and arrogant, added to this the fact that he got the name of the place wrong I can't see why he was given the role. Admittedly I dislike the man and this may be colouring my views.

When put against the ordinary people who were chosen such as Paul Thomas who carried the torch in Merthyr and was chosen for his charity work,  or the similarly named Paul Thomson, co-founder of the waterbabies programme which teaches swimming from birth and has both saved lives on at least two documented occasions and form the habit of regular exercise early, to mention just two, it is my personal belief Will.I.am had no place carrying the torch and his behaviour confirms that.