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General Etiquette => Etiquette of the Rich and Famous => Topic started by: MissRose on June 16, 2012, 12:28:27 PM

Title: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: MissRose on June 16, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
I was reading on the Daily Mail that she and her current boyfriend were in Rome and also visiting some churches in the Vatican like many tourists do while in the area.  The Daily Mail showed her outfit which would be fine for any tourist in the summer but from what I've read about the Vatican & many older churches, dress codes are in effect where people must dress with some of decency and modesty.    Her outfit - a tank top style shirt and shorts seems to be out of place there unless they handed her something to cover up once inside a church.

I think she committed a faux pas by going to the churches dressed as she was.  If you do a search online for Vatican dress code, I think she either got away big time with her outfit of choice unless she was told she had to buy something inside the church to cover up & look decently modest.   Even when I tour any religious place, I do not wear a tank top and shorts above the knees to show respect for the building.

Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: camlan on June 16, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
Well, she only got in if someone decided to allow her to break the dress code. They are pretty strict about having shoulders and knees covered.

I searched out some pictures and it appears she was wearing a short skirt, a tank top and at times a cardigan over the tank top. So maybe someone decided that even though the skirt was a little short, they could allow her in.

Now, if she had been denied entrance and kicked up a fuss, that would have been rude. But it appears that whoever decides on whether visitors are appropriately dressed did allow her in, so she didn't commit a faux pas.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: athersgeo on June 16, 2012, 01:08:13 PM
I can't speak for the Vatican (never been) but having visited a very large number of important religious sites in Israel (from all three religions) it is entirely probable that they have something for tourists who've dressed for the weather and not the venue. Which, of course, is NOT to say that JA hasn't committed a faux pas - just that I would doubt Jennifer Aniston is the first tourist to be dressed inappropriately.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Cosmasia on June 16, 2012, 01:12:40 PM
I don't see how she committed a faux pas. If she got in, they were obviously okay with what she was wearing and/or decided not to do anything about it if they weren't okay with it.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: ClaireC79 on June 16, 2012, 02:22:40 PM
I remember a few years back going to some churches in Malta which had a large selection of sarongs and wraps at the entrance for women to use - I wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican had the same thing
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: mlkind1789 on June 16, 2012, 05:13:09 PM
I have a friend who has lived in Italy for many years and she has actually been asked to leave church because her shoulders were not covered.  However, she also told me that many of the churches that are tourist destinations actually tend to have vendors outside selling little paper coverups and such.

I would imagine that JA was appropriately dressed with her cardigan, or they would have denied her access.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: RingTailedLemur on June 16, 2012, 05:17:51 PM
I remember a few years back going to some churches in Malta which had a large selection of sarongs and wraps at the entrance for women to use - I wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican had the same thing

That's what I was going to say.  Did you go to the Mosta Dome, too?
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Ceallach on June 16, 2012, 06:30:07 PM
Dont they pass out shawls etc at places where modesty is an issue? Or require the tourist to cover up before entering? I doubt very much that Jen is the only tourist in Rome dressed that way. I think the story is a beat up - unless they have photos of her stripping inside a church, I doubt she has done anything offensive.  For all we know she has an assistant or bodyguard nearby who will pass her an appropriate over garment before she goes into anywhere it is required.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Sterling on June 16, 2012, 06:34:07 PM
I went to the Vatican and they didn't care about my legs.  They asked that I cover my shoulders and had wraps for sale at the door for less than $5 euros.  I am sure that she wore a wrap.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: StuffedGrapeLeaves on June 16, 2012, 09:46:14 PM
I went to the Vatican and they didn't care about my legs.  They asked that I cover my shoulders and had wraps for sale at the door for less than $5 euros.  I am sure that she wore a wrap.

This was my experience, too.  I carried a cardigan and wore it going in, and no one said anything.  I agree that there is no faux pas here.  It is likely that she put on whatever garment is required to enter the Vatican, and took it off when she got outside. 
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Sharnita on June 17, 2012, 07:26:59 AM
Out of curiosity, are men required to cover their shoulders too? 
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Kiara on June 17, 2012, 09:16:35 AM
Sharnita -

Yes.  No bare shoulders and no bare knees for either sex.  And I know my parents said there wasn't anyone selling shawls by the door - the Vatican wouldn't let them on the property.  They'd be at the edge of St. Peter's Square, probably.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: immadz on June 17, 2012, 10:59:42 AM
Sharnita -

Yes.  No bare shoulders and no bare knees for either sex.  And I know my parents said there wasn't anyone selling shawls by the door - the Vatican wouldn't let them on the property.  They'd be at the edge of St. Peter's Square, probably.

You can get it outside the Vatican and when I went there were notices saying exactly that. I don't see how Jennifer Aniston was in the wrong at all over here. Unless she kicked up a fuss over not being allowed in.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Aeris on June 17, 2012, 11:09:16 AM
Jennifer Aniston didn't do anything particularly wrong, from what we know. She dressed like nearly every other tourist to the Vatican/other churches in Italy in the summer. She had a cardigan *with her* so there's no need to even suppose she needed to buy an emergency shawl at the door of a church.

Unless you actually seen photos of her *inside* the locations in question with her shoulders uncovered, I don't really understand why you'd leap to the conclusion that because there are photos of her in a tank top *on her way* to the locations, that she must have worn the exact same thing inside.

My experience of waiting in line at the Vatican (and other tourist church locations) is that 90% of the women in line are dressed insufficiently, and as they get to the door they whip out a shawl, cardigan, etc.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Yvaine on June 17, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
Jennifer Aniston didn't do anything particularly wrong, from what we know. She dressed like nearly every other tourist to the Vatican/other churches in Italy in the summer. She had a cardigan *with her* so there's no need to even suppose she needed to buy an emergency shawl at the door of a church.

Unless you actually seen photos of her *inside* the locations in question with her shoulders uncovered, I don't really understand why you'd leap to the conclusion that because there are photos of her in a tank top *on her way* to the locations, that she must have worn the exact same thing inside.

My experience of waiting in line at the Vatican (and other tourist church locations) is that 90% of the women in line are dressed insufficiently, and as they get to the door they whip out a shawl, cardigan, etc.

I agree, so very very much. I think sometimes on this board people jump to the conclusion that someone was rude without knowing what actually happened.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Judah on June 17, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
There are pictures of JA inside St. Peter's wearing a pretty short dress but, I'm thinking that if they let her in like that it's not her fault, it's the fault of the Vatican officials that allowed it.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Aeris on June 17, 2012, 12:13:41 PM
There are pictures of JA inside St. Peter's wearing a pretty short dress but, I'm thinking that if they let her in like that it's not her fault, it's the fault of the Vatican officials that allowed it.

Sure  - a short dress would surprise me a lot less than bare shoulders, honestly (unless we're talking straight up mini skirt). I feel like the officials let a bit of knee slide a lot more often than bare shoulders.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: immadz on June 17, 2012, 04:32:51 PM
There are pictures of JA inside St. Peter's wearing a pretty short dress but, I'm thinking that if they let her in like that it's not her fault, it's the fault of the Vatican officials that allowed it.

Sure  - a short dress would surprise me a lot less than bare shoulders, honestly (unless we're talking straight up mini skirt). I feel like the officials let a bit of knee slide a lot more often than bare shoulders.

When I was there which was quite a few years ago, they were pretty lenient on short dresses. IN fact there were some men in short shorts who had tied a cardigan around their waists and were allowed to go through.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Giggity on June 17, 2012, 04:34:49 PM
How did that cover their knees?
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Aeris on June 17, 2012, 05:04:14 PM
How did that cover their knees?

I think that was immadz's point - tying a cardigan around your waist would at best cover your knees from only a few angles. And yet, she saw men in clearly inappropriately short shorts doing exactly that and being allowed through. Therefore, there was a fair amount of leniency all around for the 'knee' area.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Giggity on June 17, 2012, 05:06:24 PM
This is apparently one of those "I'm just confused" areas. I'm literal and take almost everything at face value, so I can't see why a no-knees rule is satisfied by, well, showing the knees.

Which is, of course, neither here nor there, since I am not Jennifer Aniston (rats). Nor was I ever married to Brad Pitt (RATS!).
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Aeris on June 17, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
This is apparently one of those "I'm just confused" areas. I'm literal and take almost everything at face value, so I can't see why a no-knees rule is satisfied by, well, showing the knees.

Which is, of course, neither here nor there, since I am not Jennifer Aniston (rats). Nor was I ever married to Brad Pitt (RATS!).

I'm confused about what you're confused about. :P Technically, of course, a no knees rule is not satisfied by still showing the knees. Therefore the administrators of the rule typically show a great deal of leniency on the 'no knees' rule.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Ceallach on June 17, 2012, 07:15:55 PM
Jennifer Aniston didn't do anything particularly wrong, from what we know. She dressed like nearly every other tourist to the Vatican/other churches in Italy in the summer. She had a cardigan *with her* so there's no need to even suppose she needed to buy an emergency shawl at the door of a church.

Unless you actually seen photos of her *inside* the locations in question with her shoulders uncovered, I don't really understand why you'd leap to the conclusion that because there are photos of her in a tank top *on her way* to the locations, that she must have worn the exact same thing inside.

My experience of waiting in line at the Vatican (and other tourist church locations) is that 90% of the women in line are dressed insufficiently, and as they get to the door they whip out a shawl, cardigan, etc.

I agree, so very very much. I think sometimes on this board people jump to the conclusion that someone was rude without knowing what actually happened.

I would say it's the media who are jumping to the conclusion in this case.   It seems ridiculous to me that they're publishing an article saying she was dressed inappropriately - they're so desperate to find celebrities making faux pas!  And there are pictures clearly showing that in certain areas she wore an extra top covering her shoulders - it's only the outside pictures where she is wearing the sleeveless dress.  It's such a nothing article.  Really, all it is is "look, we saw Jen Aniston at the Vatican, here are some pictures" but they couldn't think of anything to say so commented on her attire.

And in the first photo there's a girl coming down the stairs right next to Jen who is in a nearly equally revealing dress.      I'm no Jen fan, but it's just pointless gutter journalism at it's worst. 
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Yvaine on June 17, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
Jennifer Aniston didn't do anything particularly wrong, from what we know. She dressed like nearly every other tourist to the Vatican/other churches in Italy in the summer. She had a cardigan *with her* so there's no need to even suppose she needed to buy an emergency shawl at the door of a church.

Unless you actually seen photos of her *inside* the locations in question with her shoulders uncovered, I don't really understand why you'd leap to the conclusion that because there are photos of her in a tank top *on her way* to the locations, that she must have worn the exact same thing inside.

My experience of waiting in line at the Vatican (and other tourist church locations) is that 90% of the women in line are dressed insufficiently, and as they get to the door they whip out a shawl, cardigan, etc.

I agree, so very very much. I think sometimes on this board people jump to the conclusion that someone was rude without knowing what actually happened.

I would say it's the media who are jumping to the conclusion in this case.   It seems ridiculous to me that they're publishing an article saying she was dressed inappropriately - they're so desperate to find celebrities making faux pas!  And there are pictures clearly showing that in certain areas she wore an extra top covering her shoulders - it's only the outside pictures where she is wearing the sleeveless dress.  It's such a nothing article.  Really, all it is is "look, we saw Jen Aniston at the Vatican, here are some pictures" but they couldn't think of anything to say so commented on her attire.

And in the first photo there's a girl coming down the stairs right next to Jen who is in a nearly equally revealing dress.      I'm no Jen fan, but it's just pointless gutter journalism at it's worst.

Ah, OK, from the OP, I couldn't even tell if it came from the article itself or a conclusion the OP drew from the article. I found it and it it in fact criticizing her--but yes, it's just a pointless story and there's a reason this paper is nicknamed the Daily Fail.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Giggity on June 17, 2012, 09:15:10 PM
This is apparently one of those "I'm just confused" areas. I'm literal and take almost everything at face value, so I can't see why a no-knees rule is satisfied by, well, showing the knees.

Which is, of course, neither here nor there, since I am not Jennifer Aniston (rats). Nor was I ever married to Brad Pitt (RATS!).

I'm confused about what you're confused about. :P Technically, of course, a no knees rule is not satisfied by still showing the knees. Therefore the administrators of the rule typically show a great deal of leniency on the 'no knees' rule.

I'm confused about how "showing knees" is bad, but if you tie a sweater around your waist and still show your knees, then you're okay. Because if your knees are showing, then you're showing knees, which I thought was bad.

(Literalism is not always a fun way to go through life. I have discussions like this too much.)
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Aeris on June 17, 2012, 11:28:39 PM
This is apparently one of those "I'm just confused" areas. I'm literal and take almost everything at face value, so I can't see why a no-knees rule is satisfied by, well, showing the knees.

Which is, of course, neither here nor there, since I am not Jennifer Aniston (rats). Nor was I ever married to Brad Pitt (RATS!).

I'm confused about what you're confused about. :P Technically, of course, a no knees rule is not satisfied by still showing the knees. Therefore the administrators of the rule typically show a great deal of leniency on the 'no knees' rule.

I'm confused about how "showing knees" is bad, but if you tie a sweater around your waist and still show your knees, then you're okay. Because if your knees are showing, then you're showing knees, which I thought was bad.

(Literalism is not always a fun way to go through life. I have discussions like this too much.)

I'm kind of wondering if you're being serious right now. This doesn't have to do with literalism, as far as I can tell. Literally, the guys weren't in full technical compliance. But the guards were lenient, and chose not to enforce the rule as strictly as they might have.

The idea is NOT that the cardigan is sufficient to be in technical compliance with the rule. The idea is that at some point of 'some effort has been expended' the guards/officials decide they don't care enough about enforcing the rule strictly.

You follow the general concept that sometimes authority figures don't enforce rules perfectly and to their most extreme ends, right?
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: Sharnita on June 18, 2012, 04:53:11 AM
Revenant, I think that the people who were supposed to be enforcing the rules probably did not think that having exposed knees were really that bad, especially on guys.  However, their level of autority was only enforcing policy - not setting policy. Since they couldn't t change the policy they had the men made a token attempt to cover their knees, although  it fell far short of being effective.
Title: Re: Jennifer Aniston visiting Vatican / Rome churches
Post by: StoutGirl on June 20, 2012, 09:07:22 AM
I went to Bella Italia a couple of years ago (loved it and want to go back) and I remember that many of the churches that my travel buddy and I visited had the dress code written on signs at the entrance.  Before we left, we didn't even consider the possibility of dress codes, but luckily I had a safari jacket and my travel buddy had a cardigan.  I understand that in Italy, it can be extremely hot, especially around this time of year, but I think that most people will be fine to put on a cardigan/light wrap at the entrance.  I think that when I was there, with the exception of the Vatican, we spent an average of 20 minutes for each church.  If I remember right, I think that the staff members were more focused on enforcing no photography when it was not permitted.