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General Etiquette => Etiquette of the Rich and Famous => Topic started by: doodlemor on August 22, 2012, 10:46:52 AM

Title: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: doodlemor on August 22, 2012, 10:46:52 AM
According to an article in today's Mail, Taylor Swift and her current squeeze, Conor Kennedy, crashed the wedding of Conor's cousin Kyle Kennedy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2192017/Taylor-Swift-refused-leave-Kyle-Kennedys-wedding-asked-twice-Victoria-Gifford-Kennedy.html

Conor, who was invited, did not RSVP beforehand. 

This is a bit of a "she said, she said" situation.  The bride's mother says that Taylor was asked to leave - *twice.*  Taylor's publicist says that Taylor was invited, and welcomed by the bride.

So, ehellions, who do you believe on this issue?
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: NyaChan on August 22, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
I can't think of a reason why the bride's mom would lie, but there is a definite reason why Swift would so...I think it is likely that she was not expected to be there and was asked to leave.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Shoo on August 22, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
I don't know what Swift would be lying about.  Her publicist has said the bride welcomed her.  That does not contradict what the bride's mother has said.  They both could be telling the truth.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: FoxPaws on August 22, 2012, 11:16:00 AM
Assuming any of this is true (as I understand it, The Daily Mail is a tabloid), I'd say Taylor and Conor blew it. Not RSVPing one way or the other is rude. Asking if you can come at the last minute is really rude. Showing up after being refused is holy-carp-I-cannot-believe-they-actually-did-that rude. Staying at - and returning to! - an event you've crashed and been asked to leave is a whole new level of bad manners that needs its own word to describe.

That being said, Victoria Gifford Kennedy's reasons for not wanting them there are pretty shallow and it was tacky of her to talk about it to the press. Deliberately airing the family's dirty laundry in the media - that whirring sound you hear is Rose Kennedy spinning in her grave.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: WillyNilly on August 22, 2012, 11:27:56 AM
It sounds to me (having read the link, and its link to the Boston herald) that they did crash.  The big clue is they left during dinner and came back - I'm betting because they had no seats!  A big hint they weren't supposed to be there.

I do think it was rude though for Taylor Swift to be the one approached and singled out - she was invited, by her boyfriend.  It was her boyfriend who was the truly rude one who didn't RSVP and then just showed up.  I have been a date of an invited guest to weddings, I never questioned that my date was actually legitimately invited and that he was allowed/offered to bring a date.

I do wonder though if Conor didn't RSVP due to his mother's recent suicide - it was only a couple of months ago and he's only 18, I could see RSVP'ing slipping through the cracks.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Jones on August 22, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
I found it interesting that the couple supposedly showed up, said hello, left during dinner (the expensive part of the event) and came back for the dancing (according to the Boston Herald).

Then I looked up the story on E!--yet another gossip rag--and it says the couple attended the ceremony, and there are pictures of them with the cousin's family throughout the whole weekend. If she wasn't welcome at the reception, why was she at the ceremony and all the family-focused weekend events?

Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: doodlemor on August 22, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
as I understand it, The Daily Mail is a tabloid

You're absolutely right about this, FoxPaws.  Articles seems to be written in the most inflammatory way possible.

That being said, I'm really burned out with US politics and the media coverage right now.  There is so much nasty contention, and the election is still 9 - 10 weeks away.

I skip the crime articles in the Mail, and enjoy the stories about Jennifer Anniston's bra, or Prince Harry playing strip billiards. [He lost, apparently.]
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on August 22, 2012, 12:08:41 PM
I wouldn't believe the Daily Mail if they said the sky was blue.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: JenJay on August 22, 2012, 12:17:07 PM
The article makes it sound like it was the Bride's mother who contacted the tabloid(s) and made this a gossip issue. She states that her reason for having them leave is that she didn't want Taylor's presence distracting peoples' attention away from the Bride... which completely contradicts her behavior now. Sounds like rudeness all around to me. The gracious thing would have been to either have security quietly escort Taylor out or drop it and give no comment if contacted by a reporter.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: rose red on August 22, 2012, 02:09:43 PM
I don't believe it until I see camera footage of words coming out of the bride's mother.  I don't know much about the Kennedys, but I find it hard to believe they would talk to the papers about stuff like that even if it's true.

eta: If it's true, I find airing dirty laundry tackier than crashing your cousin's wedding. 
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 22, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
I wouldn't believe the Daily Mail if they said the sky was blue.

POD!

And most of the Kennedy's are very, very etiquettely responsible (if that's even a word).  I cannot imagine ANY of them saying this out loud much less contacting a rag to report it!

 
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: doodlemor on August 22, 2012, 02:41:36 PM
Here is another link:

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20220822inside_track_headline/srvc=home&position=6

According to the Boston Herald the first information was a tip from a hotel employee.

I think that the logical thinking of WillyNilly and Jones gets to  the truth here.  They left during the dinner because they had no seats [not expected], and came back for the dancing.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Cat-Fu on August 22, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Honestly, either way I think they were rude. If they crashed, they're rude for crashing. If they were welcome, they're rude for leaving partway through to prance around Haymarket and the North End! It's not that far from the hotel to Haymarket, but they had to have been gone for at least an hour.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Winterlight on August 22, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: lollylegs on August 22, 2012, 06:16:35 PM
I might be biased because I absolutely adore Taylor Swift but I can easily see how it might be a situation where her boyfriend says, "Come to this wedding with me, it'll be okay!" Without knowing all the details I have to say that, while she technically crashed, she also might not have crashed, if you get what I'm saying.

ETA - of course, if they were asked to leave and then returned, that's incredibly rude.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: MyFamily on August 22, 2012, 07:17:03 PM
I wonder if this is a case of Kennedy forgetting to RSVP (he does have a lot on his plate with his mother's recent suicide), then he talked to the bride and she said 'sure, come for the ceremony and dancing, but since the tables are set, we really can't have you come to the meal'.  Meanwhile, the MOB doesn't know this and told them not to come, and when she sees them, she assumes that they are really crashing.  This way, both of their 'stories' fit.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Jones on August 22, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
I wonder if the bride will tell her side when she returns from the honeymoon? Taylor's rep said the bride welcomed her warmly with thanks for attending, after all.

The E! article I referrenced in my earlier post:  http://www.eonline.com/news/340023/taylor-swift-is-no-wedding-crasher-denies-being-asked-to-leave-kennedy-family-event
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: gramma dishes on August 22, 2012, 07:49:11 PM
I don't know Taylor Swift.  I don't know a single solitary Kennedy.

Here's what I suspect happened:

1.  Conor was invited as a cousin of the bride.
2.  Conor didn't RSVP because very recently his mother died and there was a great deal of angst going on about all that and her two burial plots and so on.  And because she wasn't around to remind him that he NEEDED to RSVP.
3.  Conor calls a couple of hours before the wedding and asks if Taylor can come with him. 
4.  MOB says no.  They didn't expect him and they don't have seats (food) for them at the reception.
5.  Bride says "No, cool!  Of course you can come.  I'd love it!"
6.  Taylor and Conor attend wedding.  Go somewhere else after (while people at the reception are eating).  Return to the reception for the dancing part.

That's my version as someone who wasn't there, saw nothing, heard nothing and knows nobody, and I'm sticking to it.  LOL!   8)
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Hmmmmm on August 23, 2012, 03:53:16 AM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Shoo on August 23, 2012, 09:16:16 AM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

Kennedy obsession?  She's dating one of them, and she dresses like a lady - always has.  That means she's trying to copy Jackie O? 

Jackie O did not hold the patent on dressing conservatively and looking pretty in dresses.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Sharnita on August 23, 2012, 09:30:14 AM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

Kennedy obsession?  She's dating one of them, and she dresses like a lady - always has.  That means she's trying to copy Jackie O? 

Jackie O did not hold the patent on dressing conservatively and looking pretty in dresses.

Before she started dating Kennedy she stated that Jackie and Ethel were her style role models. 
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on August 23, 2012, 09:33:50 AM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

Kennedy obsession?  She's dating one of them, and she dresses like a lady - always has.  That means she's trying to copy Jackie O? 

Jackie O did not hold the patent on dressing conservatively and looking pretty in dresses.

Before she started dating Kennedy she stated that Jackie and Ethel were her style role models.

They're style role models to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Jones on August 23, 2012, 09:33:59 AM
This is discussed in today's Hells Bells (http://weddinghellsbells.com/?p=6115), if anyone is interested in seeing what the admin says on the subject.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: MrTango on August 23, 2012, 09:36:58 AM
I agree that anything the Daily Mail says is subject to severe skepticism.

Then again, if it did happen, Swift was not only rude but guilty of trespass (as she allegedly refused to leave when asked).

I don't care if it's the Queen of England, the President of the United States, or the Pope.  It's not acceptable to show up uninvited to someone's party, and I wouldn't ask twice before calling the police to have someone removed.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: WillyNilly on August 23, 2012, 09:38:45 AM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

Kennedy obsession?  She's dating one of them, and she dresses like a lady - always has.  That means she's trying to copy Jackie O? 

Jackie O did not hold the patent on dressing conservatively and looking pretty in dresses.

Not that there is anything wrong with it, but Ms Swift really does mimic many classic Jackie O looks - we're talking the same color and cut of several dresses that Jackie was seen and photoed in, and now Swift is wearing and being photoed in.
http://www.eonline.com/photos/5794/taylor-swift-s-jackie-o-fashions/207476
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: WillyNilly on August 23, 2012, 09:40:45 AM
I agree that anything the Daily Mail says is subject to severe skepticism.

Then again, if it did happen, Swift was not only rude but guilty of trespass (as she allegedly refused to leave when asked).

I don't care if it's the Queen of England, the President of the United States, or the Pope.  It's not acceptable to show up uninvited to someone's party, and I wouldn't ask twice before calling the police to have someone removed.

Actually the Queen did something almost exactly the same just a few months ago!  The Queen was invited to a wedding, never RSVP'ed (or RSVP'ed no) and then just showed up at the ceremony (as did Kennedy & Swift) and left before dinner was served (like Kennedy & Swift).
The stories differ there, as the Queen didn't return for dancing, while Kennedy & Swift did, but really its quite similar.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Shoo on August 23, 2012, 09:40:45 AM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

Kennedy obsession?  She's dating one of them, and she dresses like a lady - always has.  That means she's trying to copy Jackie O? 

Jackie O did not hold the patent on dressing conservatively and looking pretty in dresses.

Before she started dating Kennedy she stated that Jackie and Ethel were her style role models. 

That may be true.  But that doesn't mean she's is obsessed with the Kennedy's.  LOTS of people like that style.  I find it refreshing in a young person like Taylor Swift.  I find it petty when people criticize her for it.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: StuffedGrapeLeaves on August 23, 2012, 09:44:14 AM
I agree with Ehelldame that the real "villain" might be Conor Kennedy, Taylor's boyfriend.  I seriously doubt it was Taylor who communicated with the MOB or the Bride to ask about coming to the wedding.  Most likely she just followed along with what her boyfriend said or did.

The MOB sounded like a drama queen, and although she might be in the right that Conor and Taylor didn't RSVP and therefore shouldn't have come to the wedding, she lost all of my sympathy by complaining to the press, especially when she only mentioned Taylor and not her own nephew. 

I don't know Taylor Swift.  I don't know a single solitary Kennedy.

Here's what I suspect happened:

1.  Conor was invited as a cousin of the bride.
2.  Conor didn't RSVP because very recently his mother died and there was a great deal of angst going on about all that and her two burial plots and so on.  And because she wasn't around to remind him that he NEEDED to RSVP.
3.  Conor calls a couple of hours before the wedding and asks if Taylor can come with him. 
4.  MOB says no.  They didn't expect him and they don't have seats (food) for them at the reception.
5.  Bride says "No, cool!  Of course you can come.  I'd love it!"
6.  Taylor and Conor attend wedding.  Go somewhere else after (while people at the reception are eating).  Return to the reception for the dancing part.

That's my version as someone who wasn't there, saw nothing, heard nothing and knows nobody, and I'm sticking to it.  LOL!   8)

I think this is likely, and I can totally see how Conor and his cousin (the bride) would totally think this is OK. 
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Sharnita on August 23, 2012, 09:51:04 AM
Shoo, I actually agree for the most part.  I do understand though that the Kennedy's might be a bit concerned about the motives of somebody who has expressed an interest in their family beginning to date one of the younger set.  The fact that she is high profile herself just complicates it more.  I think of the Nick Cage/Lisa Marie Presley relationship as one where concern would have been justified.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: ShadesOfGrey on August 23, 2012, 10:02:33 AM
  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

I have, and frankly, it's a stretch at best. It's more like "Jackie-O wore polkadots" and "CRUD MONKEYS! TAYLOR SWIFT WORE POLKADOTS TOO!!!" (said in one's best 14-year-old-know-it-all voice).   ::)
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: TurtleDove on August 23, 2012, 10:13:29 AM
Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired. 

Sure, but Conor is.  I don't see fault with Taylor at all.  I think Conor should have RSVPed, but he was invited - I guess I haven't heard whether he had a plus one with the invitation.  What I do find awkward and rude is that the MOB made this wedding all about Taylor Swift.  Not Taylor, not Conor, the MOB did that. I find it immature and strange given this is the Kennedy family, which by all appearances has welcomed Taylor.  What the MOB did was 1) highlight an ettiquette faux pas by Conor, a family member; and 2) not handle the situation with grace.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Hmmmmm on August 23, 2012, 10:16:28 AM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

Kennedy obsession?  She's dating one of them, and she dresses like a lady - always has.  That means she's trying to copy Jackie O? 

Jackie O did not hold the patent on dressing conservatively and looking pretty in dresses.

Before she started dating Kennedy she stated that Jackie and Ethel were her style role models. 

That may be true.  But that doesn't mean she's is obsessed with the Kennedy's.  LOTS of people like that style.  I find it refreshing in a young person like Taylor Swift.  I find it petty when people criticize her for it.

Well actually, I believe she has said that she's had a long standing interest in the family.  And at least 2 of the outfits I've seen her photographed in are almost exact replicas of outfits Jackie O was photo'd in.  To me there is a big difference in using someone as a style icon versus copying their exact style.  But I'll admit I only see the outfits that sh is photographed in so maybe not all of her summer outfits have been replicas. 

And now dating a boy from the family years younger than her (and yes, I'd be even more bothered if the boy was 22 and the girl 18) and buying a home near the family just seems odd to me.  If I was the boy I'd feel like her interest in the family was what drove her interest in me. 
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: SiotehCat on August 23, 2012, 10:18:22 AM
  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

I have, and frankly, it's a stretch at best. It's more like "Jackie-O wore polkadots" and "CRUD MONKEYS! TAYLOR SWIFT WORE POLKADOTS TOO!!!" (said in one's best 14-year-old-know-it-all voice).   ::)

That's exactly what I was thinking!

The only thing that some of those outfits have in common is the color. I think we could find a lot of people wearing outfits in red or yellow/white.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: gramma dishes on August 23, 2012, 11:01:59 AM
In the 1960's EVERYONE dressed like Jackie Kennedy!  It wasn't that we were trying to intentionally imitate her style.  It was that all the dress designers/manufacturers massed produced look alikes and that's what was available in stores.  Besides, her "style" was pretty basic and simple actually, and was flattering to a wide variety of body types. 

I have noticed that clothing styles tend to have a rotation.  They're "in" for a couple of years and then disappear, only to reappear a decade or two later. 

But this is really going too far.  Someone shows a picture of each of them wearing a black and white striped shirt and that's "copying"?  Has there ever been a time when you could walk into a store and not find a black and white striped shirt?
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Minmom3 on August 23, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
OT from the wedding behavior -

I have to say I am quite creeped out that she bought a house across from the Kennedy compound while she's dating an 18 year old who is going back to boarding school....  This to, (purely to me, I know!) smacks obsessive behavior and it totally creeps me out.  He's not a 'show business' 18yo, he's a kid who hasn't left high school yet.  I don't (obviously) have any idea if she's interested in him solely because he's a Kennedy, or what the deal is, but good gravy, she bought a home across from his grandmother's home?!  Ick...  Would she have bought THAT house if she weren't dating him?

Truly, I don't care who she sees, or sleeps with, or where she buys homes, but gah.  It really, really bugs me that he's 18, AND she bought THAT house.  I really hope all his interaction with her is all that is positive and beneficial, but I can see SO many ways this could go wrong and harm him at a time when he's got to be fragile.  Her track record with guys isn't the best.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: StuffedGrapeLeaves on August 23, 2012, 01:49:49 PM
OT from the wedding behavior -

I have to say I am quite creeped out that she bought a house across from the Kennedy compound while she's dating an 18 year old who is going back to boarding school....  This to, (purely to me, I know!) smacks obsessive behavior and it totally creeps me out.  He's not a 'show business' 18yo, he's a kid who hasn't left high school yet.  I don't (obviously) have any idea if she's interested in him solely because he's a Kennedy, or what the deal is, but good gravy, she bought a home across from his grandmother's home?!  Ick...  Would she have bought THAT house if she weren't dating him?

Truly, I don't care who she sees, or sleeps with, or where she buys homes, but gah.  It really, really bugs me that he's 18, AND she bought THAT house.  I really hope all his interaction with her is all that is positive and beneficial, but I can see SO many ways this could go wrong and harm him at a time when he's got to be fragile.  Her track record with guys isn't the best.

Although there are reports that this is untrue - that she didn't buy the house:

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120821/NEWS11/120829946/-1/NEWSMAP

http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/08/21/taylor-swift-new-house-conor-kennedy-compound-bought/
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Cami on August 23, 2012, 02:44:02 PM
If it's true, then they were rude.

But I'm not impressed with the bride's mother deciding to air family laundry either.

Swift is not family so no family laundry being aired.  And the original paper says a reporter contacted the MOB.  All she did was tell the truth as she saw the events.  It very well could be that the bride said sure please come.  But how many of us would turn down our younger cousin if asked. Another family member should have pulled him aside and said they didn't think it would be a good idea,

I like Swift, one of my DDs favorite singers.  But honestly, I think her Kennedy obsession is a little freaky.  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

But there was no need to tell the truth to a reporter. She could have simply refused to tell any story and replied, "No comment" or "Our daughter's wedding was wonderful. Thanks for asking. Buh-bye." Instead she gave an interview with details which made others look bad. What would be the point of telling such a story?

And while Taylor Swift is not family, Conor Kennedy is. So she is airing family laundry. Again -- what is the point of that?
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 23, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
If the MOB did not give this information to the reporters why hasn't someone reported that?

Of course, Taylor's handlers are going to say this didn't happen or that it's not true - what would you expect a good publicity agent to say...Oops she really screwed up this time?

I doubt that Taylor Swift was asked to leave a wedding and/or a reception and did not immediately do so.  She seems classier than that. 

Conor is the one that has acted poorly here and has yet to be called on the carpet for his behavior.  There is plenty of rudeness to go around in this case - for Conor, Taylor & MOB.   Showing up with no rsvp, leaving during the event and then giving an interview to a reporter detailing the situation.   

She dresses "similiar" to Jackie Kennedy - so do a lot of people with that body type/coloring/etc.  It's not like she is running around in a pink Chanel suit & pillbox hat - geez that's a pretty subjective comparison someone is throwing around.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: StuffedGrapeLeaves on August 23, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
And now Kathie Lee Gifford has also weighed in to support the MOB:

http://www.eonline.com/news/340429/kathie-lee-gifford-calls-out-taylor-swift-insists-songbird-crashed-kennedy-nuptials

It seems to me that the MOB and Kathie Lee Gifford have successfully drawn more attention away from the bride and groom than Taylor Swift. 
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Winterlight on August 24, 2012, 09:52:04 AM
  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

I have, and frankly, it's a stretch at best. It's more like "Jackie-O wore polkadots" and "CRUD MONKEYS! TAYLOR SWIFT WORE POLKADOTS TOO!!!" (said in one's best 14-year-old-know-it-all voice).   ::)

This. Polkadots are in at the moment- I have a polkadot dress and have never tried to dress like JKO. It's pretty feeble.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 24, 2012, 03:27:00 PM
This is one of those times when Kathie Lee should keep her mouth closed!  Did someone ask her what happened?

And even if interviewed, Kathie Lee should take the high road and not offer any information.  All she has done at this point is intentionally attempt to embarrass Taylor & Conor.   

Unless she specifically heard MOB ask Taylor Swift to leave (twice) she doesn't know what might or might not have been said to Taylor or Conor.  And using her "journalistic integrity" she shouldn't repeat what she might have been told to her without interviewing all the parties involved.   She's been known to stick her foot in her mouth on more than one occasion.





Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Cami on August 27, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
This is one of those times when Kathie Lee should keep her mouth closed!  Did someone ask her what happened?

And even if interviewed, Kathie Lee should take the high road and not offer any information.  All she has done at this point is intentionally attempt to embarrass Taylor & Conor.   

Unless she specifically heard MOB ask Taylor Swift to leave (twice) she doesn't know what might or might not have been said to Taylor or Conor.  And using her "journalistic integrity" she shouldn't repeat what she might have been told to her without interviewing all the parties involved.   She's been known to stick her foot in her mouth on more than one occasion.

ONE Of the times KLG should have kept her mouth shut? KLG taking the high road? KLG having "journalistic integrity"?   >:D
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: C0mputerGeek on August 27, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
This is one of those times when Kathie Lee should keep her mouth closed!  Did someone ask her what happened?

It's entirely possible that someone did. Victoria Gifford Kennedy is Kathie Lee Gifford's stepdaughter; It is Victoria Gifford Kennedy's daughter that was married. I have not read all of the news reports, but it seems that Kathie Lee is simply confirming what Victoria has said: that Conor Kennedy and Taylor Swift crashed the wedding and departed after they were asked to leave twice.

While I think Victoria's reasons were quite shallow - she'll steal the spotlight from my daughter! - it really is not appropriate to wait until the last hour (literally) to RSVP for the wedding, let alone with an uninvited guest in tow.

It's also entirely possible that Kyle and Liam (the bride and groom) gave permission for  Taylor and Conor to attend. However, since Victoria was the hostess and said no to the initial request that should have been the end.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Visiting Crazy Town on August 27, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
In this instance i do think that the MOB was correct about Taylor possibly stealing the brides thunder because she is a  famous pop singer suddenly showing up so all eyes would be in her. If she had RSVPed in advace then the MOB and the happy couple would have had time to get the word out so that everyone would be prepared and there would be less gawking.3

 I do think that Taylor and Connor were extremely rude.  Not only because of the last minute RSVP but because they were asked to leave  and chose to come back and then were asked to leave again stayed anyway.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Sharnita on August 27, 2012, 04:49:21 PM
Well this certainly hasn't decresead the attention Taylor got. I think if anything MOB moved the spotlight from her DD to Taylor.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 28, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
This is one of those times when Kathie Lee should keep her mouth closed!  Did someone ask her what happened?

It's entirely possible that someone did. Victoria Gifford Kennedy is Kathie Lee Gifford's stepdaughter; It is Victoria Gifford Kennedy's daughter that was married. I have not read all of the news reports, but it seems that Kathie Lee is simply confirming what Victoria has said: that Conor Kennedy and Taylor Swift crashed the wedding and departed after they were asked to leave twice.

While I think Victoria's reasons were quite shallow - she'll steal the spotlight from my daughter! - it really is not appropriate to wait until the last hour (literally) to RSVP for the wedding, let alone with an uninvited guest in tow.

It's also entirely possible that Kyle and Liam (the bride and groom) gave permission for  Taylor and Conor to attend. However, since Victoria was the hostess and said no to the initial request that should have been the end.

I am completely stunned that someone would text a request to a MIL and that she would even have time to reply one hour before the wedding!  I am giving Conor a small pass since he is young - but really, texting???

I don't believe that KLG was asked if Taylor & Conor were asked to leave the wedding - she just volunteered the information on her morning show.

But someone please correct me if I am wrong?
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: BeeGee01 on August 28, 2012, 07:25:10 PM
I am certainly NOT a Kathie Lee fan, but I wonder if she offered her two cents because of what Taylor's publicist said.

When I first read that Taylor Swifts publicist denied the report of the MOB, my first thought was that Taylor Swift's publicist was not too bright to publicly call one of Conor's relatives a liar.  CAn't help but wonder how awkward it will be when Taylor and Conor attend their next function with extended family. 

I think that MOB's version was probably true, but there are so many holes in the story, that there is probably some truth in all of what both sides are saying.  I am sure that Conor did in fact text his aunt (poor etiquette at best) and she told him 'no'.  He and Taylor showed up anyway, she told them to leave, and they didn't.  I wonder if the bride even knew that her mother had the text exchange with Conor.  The bride has not publicly made any comments (probably a smart move on her part), but who is to say if she was surprised to see Conor and Taylor at the wedding/reception.  She either was excited to see them and thanked them for coming - or she was NOT happy, yet had the good manners to show graciousness and not make a scene at her own wedding.

AND - where is Conor's father in all of this.  Didn't he have any idea on what his son was doing?  It was a family wedding - and no one else in Conor's family had talked to him ahead of time about how to RSVP or should he RSVP?  When my niece got married, even though my older two children were in their 20's, I reminded them to RSVP and I discussed with them the plans and arrangements about attending the wedding well in advance. 

There is so much information missing, that I think none of us has a really good idea of what really happened!
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: WillyNilly on August 29, 2012, 11:29:01 AM
AND - where is Conor's father in all of this.  Didn't he have any idea on what his son was doing?  It was a family wedding - and no one else in Conor's family had talked to him ahead of time about how to RSVP or should he RSVP?  When my niece got married, even though my older two children were in their 20's, I reminded them to RSVP and I discussed with them the plans and arrangements about attending the wedding well in advance. 

I'm betting here's what happened as far as the RSVP.  Conor being 18 and recent family tragedy etc forgets to RSVP.  His dad might or might not have reminded him, but his dad didn't keep up on it.
Conor dismissed it all and plans to attend.  Then that morning his dad notices he plans to attend and says "hey kid, did you ever actually RSVP? They might not have a seat for you!"  So Conor gets all "dang!  Shoot!" and texts his aunt.  His aunt says "no its too late we didn't plan on you, you can't come."  He decides "screw it, we'll go anyway and just ditch out during dinner"... and that's what he did.


...And that is why many people include still living at home 18 year olds on their parent's invite.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 29, 2012, 02:05:58 PM
I agree with PP - there is probably a broad gray area in all of this...

I can see MOB saying "no don't come we don't have a seat for you" and Conor texts the bride who says, "oh pooh, come on Conor we will make room".  Then he shows up with Taylor. 

Bride is thrilled, MOB not so much.  So Conor and Taylor leave during dinner and come back when Bride texts, "hey dinner is over, come on back we are starting the dancing".  Bride wants her cousin at her wedding (and possibly celeb), MOB wants wedding to be all about the daughter, not about celeb dating inconsiderate nephew. 

Then to make sure everyone knows that MOB is ticked, she reports the bad etiquette to newspaper.  Publicist for celeb denies it because as far as Taylor is concerned - she was invited by the BRIDE, what is publicist supposed to say??  Then KLG blurts it out on her morning news program - she is asked if she went to a wedding and in great detail tells what her step daughter tells her happened - she doesn't ask the bride, Conor or Taylor but reports what she "thinks" happened. 

And I'm with everyone else where was Conor's father and/or siblings in all of this?  Surely, someone thought to ask a teenager what his plans were or if he had responded, etc.?  And of course the bride thanked them for attending - what was she supposed to do...scold them for showing up???

Pretty much everyone in the tale had an etiquette breach... 

Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: TurtleDove on August 29, 2012, 02:18:15 PM
I keep comping back to the brain hurt of a Kennedy being concerned about being upstaged by Taylor Swift and then making sure that a Kennedy wedding becomes all about Taylor Swift.  Again, I think Taylor did nothing wrong, especially because from everything I can see the Kennedy family as a whole welcomes her in general and she spends time with them.  She did not simply show up and people said, "Weird!  Never met her before!"
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 29, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
I keep comping back to the brain hurt of a Kennedy being concerned about being upstaged by Taylor Swift and then making sure that a Kennedy wedding becomes all about Taylor Swift.  Again, I think Taylor did nothing wrong, especially because from everything I can see the Kennedy family as a whole welcomes her in general and she spends time with them.  She did not simply show up and people said, "Weird!  Never met her before!"

POD

And I am still aggravated that Kathie Lee Gifford makes sure both Conor and Taylor are embarassed on national television about the incident. 

I can certainly believe that MOB asked Conor to leave and he takes Taylor and they leave.  Then they return after dinner, her unbeknownst that they had ever been asked to leave.  I doubt that Taylor Swift was asked to leave a second time - Conor maybe, but Taylor is just too much of a stretch for me.  I think there is a huge gray area about what really went on there.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Visiting Crazy Town on August 30, 2012, 09:07:41 AM
Yes she did do something wrong she knew she wasn't invited was asked  to leave and then she came back anyway just because they were polite to her doesn;t make it ok,
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 30, 2012, 09:26:11 AM
How do we know she was asked to leave? 

Even Kathie Lee Gifford said "Taylor was standing in a hallway alone and Conor came out (from where we don't know) took her hand and they left." 

We assume he told her they were asked to leave - but we don't know what he did or didn't tell her.  And was that when they left the first time or the second time?

We don't know what Taylor was told...   
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: C0mputerGeek on August 30, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
How do we know she was asked to leave?

The mother of the bride said she asked them to leave, twice.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 30, 2012, 03:32:34 PM
...and Taylor's agent denies that this happened.

This is why I keep saying WE DON'T KNOW.   We weren't there.

Either MOB is lying, Taylor Swift is lying or her publicist is...

Even Kathie Lee Gifford says that Taylor was standing outside a door alone and Conor came out and took her hand and they left.  So obviously MOB did not ask her to leave then, if Taylor was standing outside a room ALONE. 

Kathie Lee Gifford confirms that MOB was unhappy about her attendance but no one has stepped forward to say that they heard/saw Victoria Gifford Kennedy ask Taylor Swift to leave -twice. 

MOB gives this information to a Boston newspaper and it is printed without confirmation or denial from either Conor Kennedy or Taylor Swift. 

Bottom line is MOB was rude for giving this info to a newspaper to print, deliberately to embarass Conor & Taylor.  Sounds like the duo were rude too but I can't determine that by the lack of (mis)information being reported to the public.   

Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: CakeBeret on August 30, 2012, 03:34:54 PM
  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

I have, and frankly, it's a stretch at best. It's more like "Jackie-O wore polkadots" and "CRUD MONKEYS! TAYLOR SWIFT WORE POLKADOTS TOO!!!" (said in one's best 14-year-old-know-it-all voice).   ::)

Particularly in the link provided. Jackie wore a red strapless ballgown--Taylor Swift wore a red strapless sundress. They both wore large sunglasses and off-the-shoulder black shirts (separately). My favorite one is that they both wore black and white striped shirts. How many of us have worn a red strapless dress, large sunglasses, polka dots, and a black and white striped shirt sometime in our lives? Doesn't mean we're channeling Jackie O.

As for the wedding, I'll remain neutral. I doubt we have all the facts from either side, so all we can really do is speculate.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: C0mputerGeek on August 30, 2012, 04:14:39 PM
...and Taylor's agent denies that this happened.

This is why I keep saying WE DON'T KNOW.   We weren't there.

Either MOB is lying, Taylor Swift is lying or her publicist is...

Even Kathie Lee Gifford says that Taylor was standing outside a door alone and Conor came out and took her hand and they left.  So obviously MOB did not ask her to leave then, if Taylor was standing outside a room ALONE. 

Kathie Lee Gifford confirms that MOB was unhappy about her attendance but no one has stepped forward to say that they heard/saw Victoria Gifford Kennedy ask Taylor Swift to leave -twice. 

MOB gives this information to a Boston newspaper and it is printed without confirmation or denial from either Conor Kennedy or Taylor Swift. 

Bottom line is MOB was rude for giving this info to a newspaper to print, deliberately to embarrass Conor & Taylor.  Sounds like the duo were rude too but I can't determine that by the lack of (mis)information being reported to the public.

An agent's job is to make their client look good. I would not take an agent's word over the MOB. It would be like taking the word of the Daily Sun over the BBC News.

I also don't see the correlation between Taylor was standing outside a room alone and whether the MOB asked her to leave. It seems to me this might mean she asked them to leave. After the second time Taylor went outside, and then Conor joined her.

Unless Victoria Gifford Kennedy got on the microphone to request their absence, I am not sure why other guests would be aware that Taylor and Conor would be asked to leave.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Sharnita on August 30, 2012, 05:24:20 PM
I have to say - I am having a hard time believing a MOB who doesn't want Taylor to steal the focus from the bride and then spreads the story of how rude Taylor is far and wide. thus making it a sure thing that Taylor is the single most memorable aspect of the wedding.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: immadz on August 30, 2012, 07:06:25 PM
I think in a family as high profile as the Kennedys one Taylor Swift would probably not distract from the bride. I am sure there are several influential people around there.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Sharnita on August 30, 2012, 07:12:42 PM
I think in a family as high profile as the Kennedys one Taylor Swift would probably not distract from the bride. I am sure there are several influential people around there.

I think that was true up until this story was spread about.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Hmmmmm on August 30, 2012, 07:16:42 PM
I have to say - I am having a hard time believing a MOB who doesn't want Taylor to steal the focus from the bride and then spreads the story of how rude Taylor is far and wide. thus making it a sure thing that Taylor is the single most memorable aspect of the wedding.

I never took the Moms concern as "steal the thunder so much" as bring unwanted attention.  TMZ is not going to send a hoard of photographers to a standard Kennedy wedding but one with the Pop idol dating a young Kennedy us going to bring out more paparazzi. 

And the wedding is over.  I doubt they care is the conversation in the tabloids is now focused on the pop idol instead of the bride.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Redneck Gravy on August 31, 2012, 08:56:22 AM
I have to say - I am having a hard time believing a MOB who doesn't want Taylor to steal the focus from the bride and then spreads the story of how rude Taylor is far and wide. thus making it a sure thing that Taylor is the single most memorable aspect of the wedding.

I never took the Moms concern as "steal the thunder so much" as bring unwanted attention.  TMZ is not going to send a hoard of photographers to a standard Kennedy wedding but one with the Pop idol dating a young Kennedy us going to bring out more paparazzi. 

And the wedding is over.  I doubt they care is the conversation in the tabloids is now focused on the pop idol instead of the bride.

I mildly disagree here...any Kennedy wedding is capable of bringing out Schwarzenegger or Shriver and TMZ would certainly want us to know who is with them or are they with each other?   And that's just the tip of the iceberg for Kennedy news.
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: Lauren on September 09, 2012, 10:41:54 AM
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I have, and frankly, it's a stretch at best. It's more like "Jackie-O wore polkadots" and "CRUD MONKEYS! TAYLOR SWIFT WORE POLKADOTS TOO!!!" (said in one's best 14-year-old-know-it-all voice).   

I agree with this. (and am not a huge fan of TSwift) It's literally 'Jackie O wore a black top and yellow dress and so did Taylor!' Never mind that Jackie O's top was sleeveless, the yellow dress floor length and white gloves, while Taylor has a long sleeved black top on and knee length yellow skirt sans gloves. They were the same colour!
Title: Re: Taylor and Conor - wedding crashers?
Post by: mbbored on October 23, 2012, 01:06:47 AM
  Have you seen the number of outfits she has worn lately that are almost duplicates of Jackie Os outfits?

I have, and frankly, it's a stretch at best. It's more like "Jackie-O wore polkadots" and "CRUD MONKEYS! TAYLOR SWIFT WORE POLKADOTS TOO!!!" (said in one's best 14-year-old-know-it-all voice).   ::)

Not just polka dots, they both wear stripes! prints! red dresses! coats! sunglasses!