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General Etiquette => Life...in general => Topic started by: Mental Magpie on October 24, 2012, 08:14:21 PM

Title: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 24, 2012, 08:14:21 PM
This did happen at work but I can see it happening anywhere, so I put it in this folder.

There is a gentleman, I'll call him Bernie, training with me who once worked in this field and has now returned.  It has been long enough since he last worked in this field that he has to attend basic training again.  I don't know how long he worked in the field, but it was long enough for him to obtain a good chunk of experience.  It seems, because of this, he thinks he needs to let the rest of the class know how much he knows.  Honestly, I will say, he doesn't do it all that often, but when he does, it's obvious what he's trying to do.

Today, our instructor mentioned N.E.W.T.* two or three times in the course of 1-2 minutes.  It was easy enough from context to figure out what he meant though I can see where it wouldn't necessarily be obvious.  Bernie raised his hand and when the instructor acknowledged him, he said, "You might explain what N.E.W.T. means."  Those were his exact words, and he gestured around to the rest of the class.

I was immediately taken aback by his tone and the way he presumed to tell the instructor what he might do.  Honestly, I felt it quite rude, but the instructor didn't miss a beat.

Bernie did it again about an hour later, using the exact same phrasing and gesturing.  "You might explain what a tent* is."

Does anyone else find this rude and presumptive?


ETA: *Not actual terms.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: gramma dishes on October 24, 2012, 08:33:42 PM
Yes, I do, and I doubt if either the instructor and/or any of your classmates are in the least bit impressed. 

On the other hand, maybe HE didn't know what N.E.W.T. meant and rather than admit it, he tried to imply that everyone else needed to know.  Did it not occur to him that if they couldn't figure it out they were quite capable of asking for themselves?

And yes, his manner of phrasing comes very close to being insulting to the instructor by implying that the instructor isn't providing necessary information without Bernie's prompting.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Sharnita on October 24, 2012, 08:53:51 PM
I think he didn't know and assumed everyone else was where he was.  While the wording and tone are a bit obnoxious it does let the instructor know where this student's gaps are.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: doodlemor on October 24, 2012, 09:20:03 PM
Best of luck at your new job, MM.

Yes, the guy is rude.  The instructor has probably dealt capably with this type of behavior before, and rude guy is likely to get his comeuppance sooner or later. 

Something about your new job brings out the delusions of macho in some men.  Perhaps that is part of his *act.*
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Surianne on October 24, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
I think he didn't know and assumed everyone else was where he was.  While the wording and tone are a bit obnoxious it does let the instructor know where this student's gaps are.

I agree.  The phrasing is a bit odd, but it just seems to me like he doesn't know what X thing is and is asking the instructor to define the term.  It would be more clear if he phrased it as a question, but if the instructor understands what he means and isn't bothered, I wouldn't worry about it.  I don't see it as rude or presumptive, just strange phrasing.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: violinp on October 25, 2012, 12:12:27 AM
I think he didn't know and assumed everyone else was where he was.  While the wording and tone are a bit obnoxious it does let the instructor know where this student's gaps are.

I agree.  The phrasing is a bit odd, but it just seems to me like he doesn't know what X thing is and is asking the instructor to define the term.  It would be more clear if he phrased it as a question, but if the instructor understands what he means and isn't bothered, I wouldn't worry about it.  I don't see it as rude or presumptive, just strange phrasing.

But he's implying that he's speaking for the whole class, when in fact he is not. That's pretty presumptive to me.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Ceallach on October 25, 2012, 12:20:18 AM
I think he didn't know and assumed everyone else was where he was.  While the wording and tone are a bit obnoxious it does let the instructor know where this student's gaps are.

I agree.  The phrasing is a bit odd, but it just seems to me like he doesn't know what X thing is and is asking the instructor to define the term.  It would be more clear if he phrased it as a question, but if the instructor understands what he means and isn't bothered, I wouldn't worry about it.  I don't see it as rude or presumptive, just strange phrasing.

But he's implying that he's speaking for the whole class, when in fact he is not. That's pretty presumptive to me.

I agree.   And I know exactly the type the OP describes as I've been there - it's irritating! 

To be honest, in these type of situations you sometimes just have to let the person be their annoying, pompous self and presume that everybody else can see straight through his behaviour just as well as you can - anything you say or do to address it can simply bring you down to their level, and it's unlikely they'll change their behaviour.   Let them be the disruptive one who is patronising everybody, and just silently laugh or roll your eyes on the inside.   ;D   
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 25, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
Unfortunately, Bernie is going to the same facility that I am going to, so I will have dealings with him in the future.  That being said, I certainly don't plan on saying anything about it, I just wanted to know what E-Hellions thought about it.  At least I get to see how he is here before we get to where we're going.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: sweetonsno on October 25, 2012, 01:52:21 AM
I'm an instructor. Based on my current student population (quite a few non-native speakers), I would probably assume that the particular phrasing was the way they had learned to ask for clarification. I'd probably answer it exactly the same way I would answer the question if it was phrased differently, say, "What's a NEWT?"

If the student asked several similar questions, I would probably offer a general reminder that students should complete the required reading before class and take notes if they had trouble with concepts or vocabulary.

Students will speak for the class for a couple of reasons:

1.) They actually know that other students are lost. This might be that a neighbor asked them for clarification. It might be that they overheard classmates trying to figure something out. It could be that students have approached them outside of class time. In some cultures, asking for clarification is frowned upon greatly. I've dealt with students from that type of culture, and I was so glad when one of my class members stayed late to tell me how lost some students were.

2.) They're embarrassed that they don't know the answer and want to make it seem like they're asking for the benefit of others. It's unfortunate, but there you go.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Miss Unleaded on October 25, 2012, 02:21:54 AM
'Say Bernie, I noticed you have had to ask a lot of questions in  class lately.  I guess a lot has changed since you were last in this field. If you read texts X, Y and Z it will really bring you back up to speed.'

Too PA?

ETA:  I agree, he is rude and presumptive.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: wallaby on October 25, 2012, 02:55:24 AM
I'm an instructor. Based on my current student population (quite a few non-native speakers), I would probably assume that the particular phrasing was the way they had learned to ask for clarification. I'd probably answer it exactly the same way I would answer the question if it was phrased differently, say, "What's a NEWT?"

If the student asked several similar questions, I would probably offer a general reminder that students should complete the required reading before class and take notes if they had trouble with concepts or vocabulary.

Students will speak for the class for a couple of reasons:

1.) They actually know that other students are lost. This might be that a neighbor asked them for clarification. It might be that they overheard classmates trying to figure something out. It could be that students have approached them outside of class time. In some cultures, asking for clarification is frowned upon greatly. I've dealt with students from that type of culture, and I was so glad when one of my class members stayed late to tell me how lost some students were.

2.) They're embarrassed that they don't know the answer and want to make it seem like they're asking for the benefit of others. It's unfortunate, but there you go.

POD. I also don't think it was rude or presumptive for him to ask the instructor to provide clarification. If his voice was dripping with sarcasm (or snarky, etc) then yes, potentially he was rude to the instructor, but I'm not seeing how he was potentially rude to you or your classmates. He raised his hand and waited to be called on. He asked a question pertinent to the immediate material. The instructor answered and moved along. I would assume the instructor has seen this type of student many times and is capable of dealing with him if it becomes necessary.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: IDriveADodgeStratus on October 25, 2012, 06:55:39 AM
Love that type, they think everyone else is In the Dark and its their job to enlighten them! I agree it's irritating, I'd just roll my eyes inwardly and go on. 
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: RingTailedLemur on October 25, 2012, 07:03:14 AM
Love that type, they think everyone else is In the Dark and its their job to enlighten them! I agree it's irritating, I'd just roll my eyes inwardly and go on.

OTOH, people who don't understand are usually encouraged to speak up because the chances are at least one other person is wondering the same thing but isn't brave enough to say so.

While his wording/tone may have left something to be desired, I don't see anything wrong with the sentiment (assuming he really did want to know what the term meant).
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 25, 2012, 07:57:47 AM
He was born and raised in Colorado (I sat near him the first day; we talked about it).  Let me also clarify that I do not think he was rude to us but to the instructor to presume to tell him what he might or might not explain.  Now, this is just a personal opinion, but I think the reason the instructor didn't miss a beat is because he is a Corrections Officer and is used to dealing with all sorts of people; I have nothing to substantiate that, but that's what I think.  Bernie tone and facial expression were not of curiosity, I can tell you that much despite maybe not being able to directly explain it.  It wasn't so much sarcasm or snarky as it was "na-na-na-boo-boo, I already know, but just in case all you rookies don't..." without being overtly so.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Zilla on October 25, 2012, 08:01:52 AM
I can see looking at it in the worst possible light that it would seem rude and that he is condescending.  But given with his previous experience, I would just smirk internally and ignore.  And who knows, maybe there were some students that didn't know.  Or maybe there was a detail that was unknown to the term and the student thought they knew the entire term and turned out to learn something new after all.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 25, 2012, 08:04:58 AM
I can see looking at it in the worst possible light that it would seem rude and that he is condescending.  But given with his previous experience, I would just smirk internally and ignore.  And who knows, maybe there were some students that didn't know.  Or maybe there was a detail that was unknown to the term and the student thought they knew the entire term and turned out to learn something new after all.

Oh, I'm definitely ignoring him.  He has done so many other things that really just make me not like him (like arguing with the director of the training academy about a policy).  I just wondered what other E-Hellions thoughts about it.  I don't think he shouldn't have asked for clarification, I just think the way he did it was rude.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: bopper on October 25, 2012, 08:45:10 AM
He may being a tiny bit obnoxious, but he may be pointing out things that the other students don't know and are afraid to ask.
I have been in his situation and I if I suspected that people didn't understand something I might ask "Excuse me, what does NEWT stand for?"
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: AnnaJ on October 25, 2012, 09:00:57 AM
I'm an instructor. Based on my current student population (quite a few non-native speakers), I would probably assume that the particular phrasing was the way they had learned to ask for clarification. I'd probably answer it exactly the same way I would answer the question if it was phrased differently, say, "What's a NEWT?"

If the student asked several similar questions, I would probably offer a general reminder that students should complete the required reading before class and take notes if they had trouble with concepts or vocabulary.

Students will speak for the class for a couple of reasons:

1.) They actually know that other students are lost. This might be that a neighbor asked them for clarification. It might be that they overheard classmates trying to figure something out. It could be that students have approached them outside of class time. In some cultures, asking for clarification is frowned upon greatly. I've dealt with students from that type of culture, and I was so glad when one of my class members stayed late to tell me how lost some students were.

2.) They're embarrassed that they don't know the answer and want to make it seem like they're asking for the benefit of others. It's unfortunate, but there you go.

This.  You might be surprised how often people in a classroom don't know what a word or phrase means and simply won't ask.  They think it isn't really important or that they'll remember to ask someone after class, but it turns out to be important or they forget. 

It may be this guy has heard other student talk about not understanding things the instructor said - this doesn't mean the instructor is bad or inexperienced, it may just mean he/she missed a cue from one or more students who weren't understanding something - it happens.

Could he just be a pain?  Maybe, but those sorts tend to either challenge instructors in class or wait until a break to tell other students just how much they know.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: JenJay on October 25, 2012, 09:19:45 AM
I can see looking at it in the worst possible light that it would seem rude and that he is condescending.  But given with his previous experience, I would just smirk internally and ignore.  And who knows, maybe there were some students that didn't know.  Or maybe there was a detail that was unknown to the term and the student thought they knew the entire term and turned out to learn something new after all.

Oh, I'm definitely ignoring him.  He has done so many other things that really just make me not like him (like arguing with the director of the training academy about a policy).  I just wondered what other E-Hellions thoughts about it.  I don't think he shouldn't have asked for clarification, I just think the way he did it was rude.

There's always a blowhard and there's always a crusty old guy who thinks he knows how to do the job better than everyone else. Sounds like you've got yourself a two-for-one in this guy! lol

Prepare yourself that he will likely try to take you under his wing and mentor you, especially since you are a woman. You'll probably have to be pretty blunt regarding not being interested in that arrangement. You'll find that it isn't always best to follow policy, BUT, seek out someone whose opinion you trust if you are unsure. It sounds like he's headed for a rough start and you don't want to be associated with him right out of the gate.

I do think he's being rude to the instructor and he's potentially shooting himself in the foot because word will get back to the facility.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: camlan on October 25, 2012, 09:38:06 AM
He was born and raised in Colorado (I sat near him the first day; we talked about it).  Let me also clarify that I do not think he was rude to us but to the instructor to presume to tell him what he might or might not explain.  Now, this is just a personal opinion, but I think the reason the instructor didn't miss a beat is because he is a Corrections Officer and is used to dealing with all sorts of people; I have nothing to substantiate that, but that's what I think.  Bernie tone and facial expression were not of curiosity, I can tell you that much despite maybe not being able to directly explain it.  It wasn't so much sarcasm or snarky as it was "na-na-na-boo-boo, I already know, but just in case all you rookies don't..." without being overtly so.

He might also be trying to prove to everyone that he is above a introductory level course--that he already knows this stuff and is therefore "better" than everyone else in the class.

Where I work, we have frequent projects that necessitate hiring large numbers of temporary workers. The nature of the projects requires that the temps have college degrees. There are large numbers of retired teachers who are our "regulars." The work is related to their profession and the majority of them are wonderful.

But these days, we get a lot of laid-off teachers, as well. Some of them have a need to show that they know more about what's going on that the full-time employees of the company. They will argue about minute points, quote research and hold up entire groups of people demanding to know why they have to do something a certain way, when their way is clearly better.

Part of me feels sorry for them, because it is a blow to your self-esteem to be laid-off or fired. I can see that they are trying to show that they are not redundant, not stupid, not worthless.

But the other part of me wants to stand up and yell at them, "Look, you are working on the last two weeks of a project that has been in the making for two years. I am at least as credentialed as you, and my other team members are probably more credentialed than you are. We are not going to change something because you think there's a better way. Your 'better way' was tested and rejected a year and a half ago. Just shut up and let us get on with the work. I have a deadline to meet here!"

I content myself with indicating that the worst offenders not be hired back. Which is a shame, because there's not a lot of work available here right now, and we are the highest paying temp employer around. But we can't risk breaking the deadline of a contract because someone needs to boost their self-esteem.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 29, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
Today, Bernie actually said, "Could you explain what X is for everyone else?" He couldn't have known that others were confused because A) he was sitting at the very front of the class and B) he did not turn around or look about him. How do I know this? I was sitting 2 people back from him.  There was no murmur of confusion either.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: gramma dishes on October 29, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
Today, Bernie actually said, "Could you explain what X is for everyone else?" He couldn't have known that others were confused because A) he was sitting at the very front of the class and B) he did not turn around or look about him. How do I know this? I was sitting 2 people back from him.  There was no murmur of confusion either.

And how did your instructor respond?

I think if I had been the teacher for this class I would have calmly (and slightly coldly) reminded Bernie that if the other students have questions or need explanations they are certainly capable of asking for themselves and since none had, I would be continuing the lesson now.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: TootsNYC on October 29, 2012, 04:11:53 PM
That's a really rude way to handle it, both of those ways.

I've been the person who knew something like that, and who suspected that some other people might not have. And I've said, "NIMA is the National Institute of Minions and Acronyms, right?"
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: sweetonsno on October 29, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
Today, Bernie actually said, "Could you explain what X is for everyone else?" He couldn't have known that others were confused because A) he was sitting at the very front of the class and B) he did not turn around or look about him. How do I know this? I was sitting 2 people back from him.  There was no murmur of confusion either.

Okay, I'd find that obnoxious (both as an instructor and as a student). Classroom management is really up to the instructor, so unless this behavior is really interfering with your ability to learn, I wouldn't bring it up with him. Could you chime in when Mr. Knowsit asks a question on your behalf? (I'm going to borrow Toots' acronym because it's awesome.)

Knowsit: Maybe you could explain for the class what NIMA is.
Mental Magpie: (raising hand) It's the National Institute of Minions and Acronyms, right?
Instructor: Right, Magpie. Any other questions, class?
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 29, 2012, 07:05:11 PM
I posted the last bit at lunch, and the instructor explained it and then went about his business.  About an hour later during another lecture with a different instructor, Bernie firmly cemented my belief that he thinks he's better/smarter/more experienced than everyone else because he used the "for everyone else" phrasing again.  This time the instructor said, "Chrons is exactly what it sounds like and what I've actually said a few times, Chronicles."  The instructor didn't sound annoyed, just kind of like, "Well I thought I made it pretty obvious but I'll explain anyway."
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: LifeOnPluto on October 29, 2012, 09:16:30 PM
Today, Bernie actually said, "Could you explain what X is for everyone else?" He couldn't have known that others were confused because A) he was sitting at the very front of the class and B) he did not turn around or look about him. How do I know this? I was sitting 2 people back from him.  There was no murmur of confusion either.

Okay, I'd find that obnoxious (both as an instructor and as a student). Classroom management is really up to the instructor, so unless this behavior is really interfering with your ability to learn, I wouldn't bring it up with him. Could you chime in when Mr. Knowsit asks a question on your behalf? (I'm going to borrow Toots' acronym because it's awesome.)

Knowsit: Maybe you could explain for the class what NIMA is.
Mental Magpie: (raising hand) It's the National Institute of Minions and Acronyms, right?
Instructor: Right, Magpie. Any other questions, class?

I agree with this post.

Bernie is being quite presumptuous. He's basically suggesting that the rest of the class can''t make an obvious connection (eg Chrons = Chronicles) AND that they are too timid to ask the Instructor for clarification.

I like the idea of cheerfully piping up with the right answer, next time Bernie pulls this stunt.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 29, 2012, 09:19:07 PM
Today, Bernie actually said, "Could you explain what X is for everyone else?" He couldn't have known that others were confused because A) he was sitting at the very front of the class and B) he did not turn around or look about him. How do I know this? I was sitting 2 people back from him.  There was no murmur of confusion either.

Okay, I'd find that obnoxious (both as an instructor and as a student). Classroom management is really up to the instructor, so unless this behavior is really interfering with your ability to learn, I wouldn't bring it up with him. Could you chime in when Mr. Knowsit asks a question on your behalf? (I'm going to borrow Toots' acronym because it's awesome.)

Knowsit: Maybe you could explain for the class what NIMA is.
Mental Magpie: (raising hand) It's the National Institute of Minions and Acronyms, right?
Instructor: Right, Magpie. Any other questions, class?

I agree with this post.

Bernie is being quite presumptuous. He's basically suggesting that the rest of the class can''t make an obvious connection (eg Chrons = Chronicles) AND that they are too timid to ask the Instructor for clarification.

I like the idea of cheerfully piping up with the right answer, next time Bernie pulls this stunt.

I may try that, especially if I am sitting near him again (we are encouraged to sit next to someone new each day).  It has been made obvious more than once that I am a rookie (not made in obvious in a bad way...there are just so few veterans that they're easy to track).
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Morticia on October 30, 2012, 09:30:54 AM
Are you sure he isn't "The Rest of the Class"? I would assume he was the one who didn't know these things and just didn't want to admit it.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 30, 2012, 01:02:52 PM
Are you sure he isn't "The Rest of the Class"? I would assume he was the one who didn't know these things and just didn't want to admit it.

Other than he worked this field for 11 years, I'm pretty sure he actually knows because of the tone of superiority he uses when he says it. If he was hesitant or not confident, I would probably agree with you, but I don't hear it.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Morticia on October 30, 2012, 02:17:44 PM
Perhaps if you suggested it to him, he might stop being such a pompous fool.  >:D
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Kiwichick on October 30, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
Are you sure he isn't "The Rest of the Class"? I would assume he was the one who didn't know these things and just didn't want to admit it.

Other than he worked this field for 11 years, I'm pretty sure he actually knows because of the tone of superiority he uses when he says it. If he was hesitant or not confident, I would probably agree with you, but I don't hear it.

So pretend you do see it.  Say something like 'Oh Bernie, we'll all have questions at different times, you can ask yours without pretending it's for the rest of us.'
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: JenJay on October 30, 2012, 07:25:13 PM
Are you sure he isn't "The Rest of the Class"? I would assume he was the one who didn't know these things and just didn't want to admit it.

Other than he worked this field for 11 years, I'm pretty sure he actually knows because of the tone of superiority he uses when he says it. If he was hesitant or not confident, I would probably agree with you, but I don't hear it.

So pretend you do see it.  Say something like 'Oh Bernie, we'll all have questions at different times, you can ask yours without pretending it's for the rest of us.'

Awesome!! I bet that'd do it!  ;D
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 30, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
Haha, maybe I should.  >:D

His gem for today, which fully cemented my belief he thinks he's so much smarter than everyone else, was, "You might explain what ADA is for everyone, they haven't had that class yet."

Now, I'm not saying everyone everywhere in the US knows what ADA is, but I'm going to go with probably at least 90% of adults know what it is, especially when the topic makes it pretty clear that it is what most people think it is.  We were talking about how to safely remove ADA offenders from a facility (in the case of a fire) because their paralysis or deafness or blindness may present problems.  Yes, the instructor actually listed a few disabilities before he said ADA and before Bernie requested that he explain it for the rest of us.

I spoke up about how most of us know it's the American Disability Act, but I chickened out half way through and only the few people near me heard.  I'm apparently not the only one annoyed by Bernie.  The woman next to me rolled her eyes when he told yet another story about what it was like when he worked in the line last, and the guy on my other side let out an exasperated sigh when Bernie argued with another instructor about what something was called.  I even heard him approach the instructor about it after class and she firmly told him he was wrong.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: JenJay on October 30, 2012, 07:56:17 PM
He's going to have a really rough time of it when you get to your permanent placement. I can almost guarantee the powers-that-be have heard about this guy and are ready to shut him down. I'm surprised the instructors haven't already!
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on October 30, 2012, 08:00:07 PM
Well, they've already heard of him at the facility to which he'll be going because that's where he previously worked.  The worst part?  I'm going to be at that facility, too  >:(  I can't wait until I'm his superior  >:D >:D >:D

(I am not implying I will treat him unfairly but rather that I will thus be showing him he isn't the best like he thinks he is).
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on November 07, 2012, 01:50:41 PM
I was sitting next to Bernie again today. A new instructor was giving a brief overview of what we would be covering later in the day. In an example, he used a specific medical term in regards o a location on the body. Bernie said, "Why don't you explain what that is, the rest of them may not know what it is." I piped right up and said, "We'll be learning that later." The instructor looked at me, nodded, then looked at Bernie and said, "Yes, we will. I hate to waste time explaining that now when it will be covered thoroughly later."

This was a brief overview of pressure points, which we will be learning the next four days; we definitely and very obviously would be learning about it in the coming days.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: MerryCat on November 07, 2012, 03:06:11 PM
Nice going! How did Bernie take it? Hopefully it dampened his enthusiasm a little bit.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: perpetua on November 07, 2012, 04:10:58 PM
This is such bizarre behavior that two things occur off the top of my head:

1) He doesn't know what these things mean himself and is phrasing it that way through embarrassment
2) He's some kind of secret shopper assessing the instructors in some way and his 'returning to the field' is a cover story. Is that a possibility?
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: MommyPenguin on November 07, 2012, 05:13:55 PM
I remember taking a computer programming course with this guy who, I guess, was returning to school for a degree.  He prefaced every question with, "In my vast experience in the programming field..."  It drove us all crazy!  I like how you're pointing out that the rest of you don't really need this stuff broken down and the instructor is doing fine.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on November 07, 2012, 07:06:16 PM
Bernie just kind of shrugged and nodded at the instructor; he looked at me when I spoke, but as soon as the instructor began speaking he turned his attention back to the instructor.

I don't think that's possible in this field, perpetua, but in any other instance, I can see where it may be a secret shopper.  What I think it is is that he wants to show everyone else just how experienced and knowledgable he is; his wording is what keys me into that, much like MommyPenguin's classmate who prefaced everything with his experience.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: JenJay on November 07, 2012, 07:41:26 PM
If I recall your line of work I'm 99% sure he's legit going back into the field and 99% sure he's a major blowhard. You know for certain you'll be his supervisor soon? I predict that when that happens, and you don't let him walk all over you, you'll be the witch who thinks she's better than everyone else ::). Fortunately everyone will see him for what he is!
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on November 07, 2012, 07:57:53 PM
If I recall your line of work I'm 99% sure he's legit going back into the field and 99% sure he's a major blowhard. You know for certain you'll be his supervisor soon? I predict that when that happens, and you don't let him walk all over you, you'll be the witch who thinks she's better than everyone else ::). Fortunately everyone will see him for what he is!

I'll raise you 1% and make that a full 100% for me  ;D

No, I am not sure at all that I will ever be his supervisor, but I am most certainly aiming for it!  I'm sure he'll think I'm a jerk, but I can't help it I'm better than he is simply by virtue of not telling him I'm better than he in any abstract way.   >:D
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: JenJay on November 07, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
If I recall your line of work I'm 99% sure he's legit going back into the field and 99% sure he's a major blowhard. You know for certain you'll be his supervisor soon? I predict that when that happens, and you don't let him walk all over you, you'll be the witch who thinks she's better than everyone else ::). Fortunately everyone will see him for what he is!

I'll raise you 1% and make that a full 100% for me  ;D

No, I am not sure at all that I will ever be his supervisor, but I am most certainly aiming for it!  I'm sure he'll think I'm a jerk, but I can't help it I'm better than he is simply by virtue of not telling him I'm better than he in any abstract way.   >:D

Ah, gotcha. I thought maybe you were fast-tracking.  ;)
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on November 07, 2012, 09:04:14 PM
I wish!  If I could, I would, but the testing is very exact.  Maybe this time next year ;)
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Maude on November 07, 2012, 11:03:02 PM
Speaking of testing...

How does Bernie go on tests?
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Mental Magpie on November 07, 2012, 11:06:35 PM
No clue; so far no one has failed so that's all I have to go by.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: Raintree on November 08, 2012, 01:06:15 AM
There seems to be one of those in every class (ok well not EVERY but it's common). I went through a short program and in the class was a guy, Brian, who clearly thought all this classroom stuff was beneath him, and frequently spoke up in class to let everyone know how knowledgeable he was. At one point Brian said something outside of class about how he was self-taught and had been in the field for a while, but was only taking this course as a technicality. He also frequently made references to being "a bit older" (in the tone that suggested "and therefore know a lot more"); I think he was 24 and the rest of us were maybe 20-22.

Later, a bunch of us from that program all got part time jobs in a place that really didn't use our skills to their fullest degree; most took this job as a summer job to help pay for the program we were in, and a few of us stayed on a little longer, after completing our program, the job market being rather dismal at that point. It wasn't a horrible job; it paid okay wages, but admittedly it wasn't the type of job most of us had envisioned going into the program.

Brian was one of the ones who stayed on in that job and I worked with him. Again he seemed to feel it was beneath him, and at one point he said to me, "I'm really only doing this as a favour to Jim." (Jim being head honcho of head office).

It was all quite a long time ago, but Brian would have been the type to ask the instructor to "explain to the rest of us." It's very condescending. And a sign of insecurity, IMO, when you just HAVE to let everyone else know how much more you know than them. I've been in situations where I've had to sit through material I was already familiar with, and unless someone specifically asked for my help I just shut up about it.
Title: Re: "You might explain that..."
Post by: RingTailedLemur on November 08, 2012, 03:08:52 AM
Ugh, how annoying.  I'm convinced now he's just being a blowhard.