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Title: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Sara Crewe on January 13, 2013, 12:32:12 PM
In the Special Snowflakes thread, there is mention of how some things in movies are creepy and deserving of a restraining order in real life.  What's your favourite of this?

I assume 50 shades of grey is the obvious example.  Any others?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Isilleke on January 13, 2013, 12:54:02 PM
All the chases after a loved one in an airport always make me wonder where the security is.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Winterlight on January 13, 2013, 12:59:49 PM
Anything on this list- http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/10/four-lies-movies-taught-us-about-dating/all/1/
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Wench on January 13, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
The first one to come to mind is when Ryan Gosling's character hangs up the top of the feris will until Rachel McAdam's character agrees to a date in the Notebook.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Snowy Owl on January 13, 2013, 02:08:11 PM
In the Special Snowflakes thread, there is mention of how some things in movies are creepy and deserving of a restraining order in real life.  What's your favourite of this?

I assume 50 shades of grey is the obvious example.  Any others?

Most definitely 50 Shades.  That guy is the epitome of a creepy stalker in my view.  How anyone can find his conduct romantic I will never know.

I think essentially anything where someone follows their love interest around and tries to control them is creepy.  I was reading a not very good romance and the putative hero didn't like his potential girlfriend's choice of breakfast (pancakes with bacon)  as being too unhealthy and told the waitress to bring the heroine yoghurt with fresh fruit (which the waitress did, despite the heroine objecting).  I couldn't help shake the feeling that we were supposed to think the male character was right to make her eat more healthy food. 

While I understand that pancakes are less healthy than yoghurt, I don't think it's appropriate for someone to try and control what someone else eats (unless it's an established relationship with one character asking the other for dietary guidance).

On principle I hate it when people try to food police others.  At that point I deleted the book from the kindle and put the author on the "don't read again" list. 

Also most of the books by Christine Feehan where the male lead is a "Carpathian" which appears to be someone with vampiric traits and a belief that their pre-selected beloved really wants an up tight control freak who tries to boss them around and control their behaviour. 
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: yokozbornak on January 13, 2013, 02:36:53 PM
I love cheesy romance whether it be a novel or a book, but I can't stand romanticizing abusive situations.  I was reading a book a couple of years ago where the male lead was a huge jerk who verbally abused the heroine.  He hated her for some stupid reason I can't remember.  Anyway, I was supposed to be okay with him treating her like dirt and calling her names because it was all a big misunderstanding, doncha know, and he was really a nice guy underneath.  I am not sure how it all ended because I threw it in the trash.  I will take my romance without a side of abuse.

I'll take a sweet, nerdy hero any day of the week!
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: laud_shy_girl on January 13, 2013, 02:41:04 PM
Snip

Also most of the books by Christine Feehan where the male lead is a "Carpathian" which appears to be someone with vampiric traits and a belief that their pre-selected beloved really wants an up tight control freak who tries to boss them around and control their behaviour.

I was mentally plaining my post about this author as I read the OP, but you beat me to it. The women in it just scream "victim" to me.

Even Classic Disney does it. Look at beauty and the beast. Bell is bullied and blackmailed in to living with the beast where she then has a "chance" to fall in love.

Love would be the last thing I felt for him.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: mechtilde on January 13, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
Heathcliff's behaviour in Wuthering Heights- never mind a restraining order, he should have been in jail!
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: faithlessone on January 13, 2013, 02:43:28 PM
All the chases after a loved one in an airport always make me wonder where the security is.

Have you seen Love Actually? Kid chases his crush through an airport, and collects a whole string of security guards, who catch him at the gate. ;D

For my part, I've seen a few rom-coms "heroes" and "heroines" (this doesn't seem to be gender-specific) who acted more like stalkers than secret admirers. Anything that involves following them, bullying their crush's friends into helping him/her, or infiltrating their emails/voicemail/social networking, freaks me out.

I really tend not to watch rom-coms anymore.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 13, 2013, 02:46:56 PM
Beauty and the Beast was one of my favorite movies when I was a young teen and it came out.  Now watching it as an adult, all I see is Stockholm Syndrome.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Black Delphinium on January 13, 2013, 02:47:20 PM
Showing up at the house in the middle of the night with a boombox, a la Say Anything...

Well, maybe not a restraining order, but the cops would come, for certain.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: PeterM on January 13, 2013, 02:57:10 PM
Showing up at the house in the middle of the night with a boombox, a la Say Anything...

Well, maybe not a restraining order, but the cops would come, for certain.

I don't think that one's as bad as many other examples - you can do it without breaking the law, for one thing, if you stay off of private property and keep the volume reasonable. It's pathetic, yes, but not scary in the way many up-close "romantic" gestures are. To me, at least.

Plus, any situation that allows me to yell "Play Freebird, man!" is okay by me.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: yokozbornak on January 13, 2013, 02:58:24 PM
Showing up at the house in the middle of the night with a boombox, a la Say Anything...

Well, maybe not a restraining order, but the cops would come, for certain.

But....but...but...it's Lloyd Dobler!  He can hold up a boombox in front of my house any day of the week.  The heck with the neighbors!

That reminds me John Cusack's charater in Better Off Dead (my favorite '80s teen movie).  Lane Meyer definitely should have been either arrested for stalking or committed for trying to commit suicide repeatedly.  Man, I love that movie though!
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: PeterM on January 13, 2013, 03:06:42 PM
Anything on this list- http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/10/four-lies-movies-taught-us-about-dating/all/1/

I especially liked the bit about "Sure you're in a tree outside her bedroom window, but it's only so you can watch her sleep!"

Actually, pretty much every vampire "romantic gesture" I can think of creeps me out. I'm not sure it's because they're all extra creepy compared to non-supernatural idiocies, or if the added element of "Dead people are hot!" puts them over the top.

The worst example I can think of is from the sixth season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. The scene where Spike attacks Buffy in her bathroom and essentially tries to rape her. The writers apparently thought that would come off as more romantically desperate than, you know, rape-y. If I recall correctly, the woman running the show at that point said it was based on a moment in her own life when she tried to force herself onto a guy to keep him from leaving her. Putting aside the fact that it's an incredibly ill-advised and despicable thing for a woman to do to a man, there's also the fact that it's especially creepy if you turn it around and make it a man doing it to a woman. Like it or not, our culture treats male on female violence differently than it treats female on male violence, and to throw a sexual element in on top of that? And still somehow think your audience will be okay with it? Not very bright.

Of course, there were some people who saw it as oh so romantic, as intended. That just goes to show you the usual sort of things this sort of situation goes to show you.

Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Jelaza on January 13, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
I don't know as how it's enough to get a restraining order put into place, but every single thing that Tom Hanks did in You've Got Mail after he found out Meg Ryan was the shop girl was awful.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: BabylonSister on January 13, 2013, 03:41:27 PM
The whole Phantom of the Opera.  It must be noted that in the book, Christine feels no attraction at all for Erik (the Phantom), only a mix of hate, repulsion and compassion.  Then Andrew Lloyd-Weber came and suddenly, Erik spying on a woman and abducting her made her feel ambiguously attracted to him.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: magician5 on January 13, 2013, 03:47:21 PM
Not exactly "restraining order" material, but I got through about half of My Big Fat Greek Wedding before deciding that the much-discussed charm of the movie was nowhere to be found. The girl should have told her father that he was being abusively controlling, gotten married at City Hall, and the old man could like it or not like it, end of story.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: JocelynCS on January 13, 2013, 03:49:26 PM
Every single act by a male character in Twilight.  (Come on, somebody had to say it!)
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Iris on January 13, 2013, 03:50:06 PM
Anything on this list- http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/10/four-lies-movies-taught-us-about-dating/all/1/

I especially liked the bit about "Sure you're in a tree outside her bedroom window, but it's only so you can watch her sleep!"

Actually, pretty much every vampire "romantic gesture" I can think of creeps me out. I'm not sure it's because they're all extra creepy compared to non-supernatural idiocies, or if the added element of "Dead people are hot!" puts them over the top.

The worst example I can think of is from the sixth season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. The scene where Spike attacks Buffy in her bathroom and essentially tries to rape her. The writers apparently thought that would come off as more romantically desperate than, you know, rape-y. If I recall correctly, the woman running the show at that point said it was based on a moment in her own life when she tried to force herself onto a guy to keep him from leaving her. Putting aside the fact that it's an incredibly ill-advised and despicable thing for a woman to do to a man, there's also the fact that it's especially creepy if you turn it around and make it a man doing it to a woman. Like it or not, our culture treats male on female violence differently than it treats female on male violence, and to throw a sexual element in on top of that? And still somehow think your audience will be okay with it? Not very bright.

Of course, there were some people who saw it as oh so romantic, as intended. That just goes to show you the usual sort of things this sort of situation goes to show you.

Really? That was supposed to be romantic? I always thought that it was meant to showcase that no matter how he felt about Buffy, Spike was still a revolting monster at heart. And further that when he realised that it was what inspired him to go get his soul back (so that he wouldn't be a revolting monster anymore and Buffy wouldn't be entirely justified in hating his guts). Admittedly I tend to rewatch the earlier seasons so I haven't seen it for ages, but that's my recollection.

It was a *brilliant* scene when I interpreted it my way. But romantic? No way on earth. (Also a woman trying to force herself onto a man to prevent him from leaving is revolting. I hate that some writer has tried to justify her moment of criminal assault by trying to fool the rest of us).



On topic - My one attempt to read Ayn Rand ended when a man chose to begin a relationship with a woman by breaking into her house and raping her, and the woman thought that was just dandy, thank you. Only time I've ever thrown a book actually in a bin. I'm sure I'll think of more later.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Firecat on January 13, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
In the Special Snowflakes thread, there is mention of how some things in movies are creepy and deserving of a restraining order in real life.  What's your favourite of this?

I assume 50 shades of grey is the obvious example.  Any others?

Most definitely 50 Shades.  That guy is the epitome of a creepy stalker in my view.  How anyone can find his conduct romantic I will never know.

I think essentially anything where someone follows their love interest around and tries to control them is creepy.  I was reading a not very good romance and the putative hero didn't like his potential girlfriend's choice of breakfast (pancakes with bacon)  as being too unhealthy and told the waitress to bring the heroine yoghurt with fresh fruit (which the waitress did, despite the heroine objecting).  I couldn't help shake the feeling that we were supposed to think the male character was right to make her eat more healthy food. 

While I understand that pancakes are less healthy than yoghurt, I don't think it's appropriate for someone to try and control what someone else eats (unless it's an established relationship with one character asking the other for dietary guidance).

On principle I hate it when people try to food police others.  At that point I deleted the book from the kindle and put the author on the "don't read again" list. 

Also most of the books by Christine Feehan where the male lead is a "Carpathian" which appears to be someone with vampiric traits and a belief that their pre-selected beloved really wants an up tight control freak who tries to boss them around and control their behaviour.

I snarked to my DH last week that the book was called "50 Shades of Gray" because the publishers decided that "How to Have an Abusive relationship: the Handbook" wouldn't sell. However, have you seen the book "50 Shades of Chicken"? It's a parody...and a cookbook...and had me in massive giggles right in the middle of Barnes and Noble. I think I actually want a copy, partly for the sheer hilarity, and partly because some of the recipes looked pretty good.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Garden Goblin on January 13, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
A guy friend of mine, inspired by a movie (not sure which movie) was planning on breaking into his crush's house to put a cake on her table with 'will you go out with me' written in icing.

Fortunately for him, he asked for my help making the cake and I was able to talk him into making a phone call instead.  She turned him down flat, he went on a rant about how 'chicks never date nice guys' and I ended up ultimately dropping him from my friend list because I was sick of hearing him whine about girls never giving 'nice guys' a chance.

For the record - I was engaged to a perfectly nice man at the time all this was happening.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: yokozbornak on January 13, 2013, 03:52:04 PM
I don't know as how it's enough to get a restraining order put into place, but every single thing that Tom Hanks did in You've Got Mail after he found out Meg Ryan was the shop girl was awful.

And Meg Ryan was the creeper in Sleepless in Seattle
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Iris on January 13, 2013, 03:54:09 PM
Anything on this list- http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/10/four-lies-movies-taught-us-about-dating/all/1/

Ooo, reading this reminded me that although I *love* "Bringing Up Baby", if I watch it with my "sensible brain" it quickly becomes clear that Katherine Hepburn's character is in fact a dangerous lunatic who should probably be locked up for the good of society.

A guy friend of mine, inspired by a movie (not sure which movie) was planning on breaking into his crush's house to put a cake on her table with 'will you go out with me' written in icing.

Fortunately for him, he asked for my help making the cake and I was able to talk him into making a phone call instead.  She turned him down flat, he went on a rant about how 'chicks never date nice guys' and I ended up ultimately dropping him from my friend list because I was sick of hearing him whine about girls never giving 'nice guys' a chance.

For the record - I was engaged to a perfectly nice man at the time all this was happening.

There is no intersection between the set of "nice guys" and the set of "guys who want to break into my house".
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: laud_shy_girl on January 13, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
I love MaryJanice Davidson, but has anyone read "Love's Prisoner"  in the Wyndham Werewolf series. The start of that is just wrong. The entire book is premised on him raping a woman, her being pregnant and him locking her up to make her marry him.  Only it's told in a "it was destiny and he could not resist her" way  :o

She writes in a really cutesy way (I love the Queen Betsy series)

I could not get passed the first chapter.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Kendo_Bunny on January 13, 2013, 04:48:53 PM
Beauty and the Beast was one of my favorite movies when I was a young teen and it came out.  Now watching it as an adult, all I see is Stockholm Syndrome.

I see it differently, probably because of the way my parents explained it to me when I was little. Beast is the master of the castle, and has no one to curb him at all. When Belle snaps at him that she had run away because he had frightened her, he looks genuinely shocked, and does not have a come back. He is surprised that he scared her by yelling, because he is so convinced people are only scared of him because of the way he looks. Afterwards, he never raises his voice again. Not once. He roars at Gaston, but he never again yells.

My parents told me that if someone does not know that their behavior is wrong, you make an allowance that one time (unless it's physical violence). You give them a chance to apologize and make amends. Belle let him know his behavior was wrong, Beast apologized, made amends, and turned out to actually be a nice person who did not have good parents to teach him that it is not acceptable to yell when you do not get your way.

Disney's official explanation was that he was literally turning into a beast the longer he spent away from human contact, which they probably could have explained better - that his parents didn't teach him to behave in the first place, and lack of early teaching + curse = yelling and screaming tantrums.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: weeblewobble on January 13, 2013, 05:38:47 PM
All the chases after a loved one in an airport always make me wonder where the security is.

Have you seen Love Actually? Kid chases his crush through an airport, and collects a whole string of security guards, who catch him at the gate. ;D


In another cut of that scene, Sam used his amazing gymnastic skills to cartwheel, handspring and sommersault his way around the airport. Totally realistic. :)
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: weeblewobble on January 13, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
Edward and Bella are my least favorite characters in Twilight.  When a dude tells you that he's been watching you sleep without you being aware he's in your room, it's not romantic. Ever.

Anything Angelus did to Buffy.

Some of the things Angel did to Buffy.

There was a jeans commercial a few years ago where a beautiful woman was driving cross country and she's obviously in a desert.  A guy follows her when she stops and gives her something (sunglasses, maybe?)  She says, "Oh, where did I drop this?" And he says, "Nebraska."


Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: weeblewobble on January 13, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
And as much as I used to love "Pretty in Pink," Duckie is pretty much the textbook case of "Nice Guy Syndrome" in which a guy thinks he is owed a girl's primary romantic allegiance because he's her friend and such a nice guy and she has no right to date or love any one else until she's given him a chance.  Having been a target for one of these nice guys -who turned out to not be so nice when I turned him down- in college, has totally changed the context in which I watch that movie.  It actually makes me a little sick now.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: doodlemor on January 13, 2013, 06:07:55 PM
Here's one from days gone by - so my memory may be inexact.

In the movie Blue Hawaii the character played by Elvis Presley turns a young woman over his knee and *spanks her.* 

Elvis was playing a tour guide in Hawaii, and was shepherding a group of young women around the island.  I think that they might have been high school age.  The person that he later spanked acted very bratty for the first part of the movie, and then I think she tried to commit suicide by throwing herself in the ocean at night.  Elvis fished her out of the surf and spanked her.

Voila!  Her apparently poor mental health was restored to normal.  She turned into a well behaved person and told Elvis that he was the first person who cared enough about her to do that.  Such bizarre logic was not unusual in movies at the time, which was 1961.

Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Snowy Owl on January 13, 2013, 06:09:37 PM
I love MaryJanice Davidson, but has anyone read "Love's Prisoner"  in the Wyndham Werewolf series. The start of that is just wrong. The entire book is premised on him raping a woman, her being pregnant and him locking her up to make her marry him.  Only it's told in a "it was destiny and he could not resist her" way  :o

She writes in a really cutesy way (I love the Queen Betsy series)

I could not get passed the first chapter.

Not read it but it sounds horrible.  I always preferred the attitude Linda Hamilton took in Terminator 2, that there's no fate but what we make.  I hate it when people are pressured into being with someone because there's some destiny that they need to be together. People being together because they want to be, is much more my idea of a romance novel.   
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: BB-VA on January 13, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
I have yet to figure out what is so romantic about vampires in the first place.   Never understood it, not even Dracula. 

And at least he dressed niceley, all formal and everything...can't say that for the modern ones so much.

eta comments about vampire formality.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Kaora on January 13, 2013, 06:19:49 PM
I love MaryJanice Davidson, but has anyone read "Love's Prisoner"  in the Wyndham Werewolf series. The start of that is just wrong. The entire book is premised on him raping a woman, her being pregnant and him locking her up to make her marry him.  Only it's told in a "it was destiny and he could not resist her" way  :o

She writes in a really cutesy way (I love the Queen Betsy series)

I could not get passed the first chapter.

Not read it but it sounds horrible.  I always preferred the attitude Linda Hamilton took in Terminator 2, that there's no fate but what we make.  I hate it when people are pressured into being with someone because there's some destiny that they need to be together. People being together because they want to be, is much more my idea of a romance novel.

I have mixed feelings on a series I read.  It's the Witches series by Maggie Shayne, and while well written with a coherent story, a couple of points now bug me.  In the series, people who die protecting other Witches are reborn immortal in their next life, and suffer a temporary death the next time they die, before recovering.  They also gain some of the typical supernatural traits (better sight and hearing, though speed still is the same.)

At least one major plot point is the guy who died for the immortal Raven, a female lead, and who she waits nearly a half a millennium for, sees him and is convinced that they are meant to be together.

In a way, I give it a pass, because she didn't, to my recent memory, do any stalker things, and it wasn't quite happily ever after (she had to whoo him like anyone else.)  Whether or not this qualifies, I have no idea.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 13, 2013, 06:23:42 PM
Beauty and the Beast was one of my favorite movies when I was a young teen and it came out.  Now watching it as an adult, all I see is Stockholm Syndrome.

I see it differently, probably because of the way my parents explained it to me when I was little. Beast is the master of the castle, and has no one to curb him at all. When Belle snaps at him that she had run away because he had frightened her, he looks genuinely shocked, and does not have a come back. He is surprised that he scared her by yelling, because he is so convinced people are only scared of him because of the way he looks. Afterwards, he never raises his voice again. Not once. He roars at Gaston, but he never again yells.

My parents told me that if someone does not know that their behavior is wrong, you make an allowance that one time (unless it's physical violence). You give them a chance to apologize and make amends. Belle let him know his behavior was wrong, Beast apologized, made amends, and turned out to actually be a nice person who did not have good parents to teach him that it is not acceptable to yell when you do not get your way.

Disney's official explanation was that he was literally turning into a beast the longer he spent away from human contact, which they probably could have explained better - that his parents didn't teach him to behave in the first place, and lack of early teaching + curse = yelling and screaming tantrums.

I could see that, as he was spoiled rotten and I believe that's why the curse was placed on him in the first place. 
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: JadeAngel on January 13, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
Here's one from days gone by - so my memory may be inexact.

In the movie Blue Hawaii the character played by Elvis Presley turns a young woman over his knee and *spanks her.* 

Elvis was playing a tour guide in Hawaii, and was shepherding a group of young women around the island.  I think that they might have been high school age.  The person that he later spanked acted very bratty for the first part of the movie, and then I think she tried to commit suicide by throwing herself in the ocean at night.  Elvis fished her out of the surf and spanked her.

Voila!  Her apparently poor mental health was restored to normal.  She turned into a well behaved person and told Elvis that he was the first person who cared enough about her to do that.  Such bizarre logic was not unusual in movies at the time, which was 1961.

I remember that film, and I was thinking of another Elvis film called 'Spinout' where 'confirmed bachelor' Elvis is a singer in a band/part time race car driver and being pursued by three women, the groovy drummer in his band, the spoiled pretty heiress and an author (played by Diane McBain) who spends the entire movie spying on Elvis through binoculars and following him around. At one point she appears in his house half-dressed and bearing a martini and Elvis says 'where did you come from?' instead of 'how did you get into my house you weird creepy woman, also put on your clothes and get out immediately or I'm calling the cops!'

Then at the end he marries all three of them off (to other men) but at the wedding gives each one of them a good smooch before handing them off to their respective husbands. In reality there would have been restraining orders flying in all directions.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: QueenofAllThings on January 13, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
'Flowers in the Attic', anyone?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Kaora on January 13, 2013, 06:32:33 PM
Beauty and the Beast was one of my favorite movies when I was a young teen and it came out.  Now watching it as an adult, all I see is Stockholm Syndrome.

I see it differently, probably because of the way my parents explained it to me when I was little. Beast is the master of the castle, and has no one to curb him at all. When Belle snaps at him that she had run away because he had frightened her, he looks genuinely shocked, and does not have a come back. He is surprised that he scared her by yelling, because he is so convinced people are only scared of him because of the way he looks. Afterwards, he never raises his voice again. Not once. He roars at Gaston, but he never again yells.

My parents told me that if someone does not know that their behavior is wrong, you make an allowance that one time (unless it's physical violence). You give them a chance to apologize and make amends. Belle let him know his behavior was wrong, Beast apologized, made amends, and turned out to actually be a nice person who did not have good parents to teach him that it is not acceptable to yell when you do not get your way.

Disney's official explanation was that he was literally turning into a beast the longer he spent away from human contact, which they probably could have explained better - that his parents didn't teach him to behave in the first place, and lack of early teaching + curse = yelling and screaming tantrums.

I could see that, as he was spoiled rotten and I believe that's why the curse was placed on him in the first place.

I like that explanation.  He's just a person deprived of etiquette!  We can help him! :D

There's also Harem anime, but those seem to enjoy more of exploiting the trope to their humorous ends rather than playing it straight like a Rom-Com or "Romance."
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Slartibartfast on January 13, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
In case you missed it, the author Jenny Trout (aka Jennifer Armintrout) has a fantastic series of recaps of the "50 Shades" books. (http://jenniferarmintrout.blogspot.com/p/jen-reads-50-shades-of-grey.html)  She rants about them with liberal (and accurate) profanity on occasion, but I enjoyed her recaps a lot more than I would have enjoyed slogging through the actual books.

She also is coming out with a new, free serial, The Boss (http://abigailbarnettestheboss.blogspot.com/), which is her attempt to do a Twilight/50 Shades style story WITHOUT the abuse and the creepiness.  It is possible to have a non-vanilla relationship be romantic!  I'm really curious to see how she does it - I've loved some of her other books, both as Abigail Barnette and as Jenny Trout/Jennifer Armintrout, so I've got high hopes for this one.
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Post by: Jones on January 13, 2013, 06:51:56 PM
Was anyone else amused when watching "50 First Dates", when Adam Sandler did the same approach on different days and the first time, it worked but the next time, she beat him up?


Regarding Beauty and the Beast, I preferred it to other princess movies because Belle stood up to the beast, yelled back at him and followed her own mind. None of the "I'll do whatever you tell me" of Little Mermaid and pre-destined-can't-fight-it love of Sleeping Beauty. My mom didn't like the movie because she considered Belle a "brat" for rejecting her town and people, so as with all children's stories and their meanings, YMMV.
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Post by: Kendo_Bunny on January 13, 2013, 07:03:54 PM
My mom didn't like the movie because she considered Belle a "brat" for rejecting her town and people, so as with all children's stories and their meanings, YMMV.

Her town full of small-minded bigots who went to murder someone purely because they looked weird, because the handsome man who just tried to blackmail a woman who had already refused him into marriage by threatening to have her father committed told them to? O.o Why wouldn't anyone reject them? The only positive person in the town is the bookseller.

I'm not a big fan of rom coms in general, and my views on Twilight are well-known on this board (and thus, my views on 50 Shades, because it's the same thing). "He broke into my house because he loves me!" Would it be okay if he was ugly and poor? But he's rich and handsome, so it's okay! Yuck.
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Post by: Kaora on January 13, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
Was anyone else amused when watching "50 First Dates", when Adam Sandler did the same approach on different days and the first time, it worked but the next time, she beat him up?

Giggles! :)
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Post by: kherbert05 on January 13, 2013, 07:17:45 PM
Someone has to say it
The "great" General Hospital "Romance" - Luke and Laura. How many times has that been retconed? assult, seduction, assult but we decided we loved each other.


In most of the books I read - the hero often breaks a multitude of laws- but is usually trying to save the world from the bad guy - or a computer virus set loose by a maniac multi-billionaire game designer  (that framed the hero for murder) A little less creepy.
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Post by: magicdomino on January 13, 2013, 07:27:09 PM
All the chases after a loved one in an airport always make me wonder where the security is.

Have you seen Love Actually? Kid chases his crush through an airport, and collects a whole string of security guards, who catch him at the gate. ;D

For my part, I've seen a few rom-coms "heroes" and "heroines" (this doesn't seem to be gender-specific) who acted more like stalkers than secret admirers. Anything that involves following them, bullying their crush's friends into helping him/her, or infiltrating their emails/voicemail/social networking, freaks me out.

I really tend not to watch rom-coms anymore.

I refuse to see romantic comedies on the grounds that they promote violence.  Either I want to smack the heroine upside the head for being an idiot, or I want to smack the guy for being a jerk/stalker/both.   :P
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Post by: Reika on January 13, 2013, 07:39:06 PM

I refuse to see romantic comedies on the grounds that they promote violence.  Either I want to smack the heroine upside the head for being an idiot, or I want to smack the guy for being a jerk/stalker/both.   :P

Usually I feel that way about all of the main characters. I never got the appeal of rom-coms, they always set my hinky meter off.

I remember getting trapped into watching You've Got Mail with mom. I wasn't sure who I was more angry at, the people who made the movie, or my mother for tricking me into watching it.
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Post by: Kariachi on January 13, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
Not exactly "restraining order" material, but I got through about half of My Big Fat Greek Wedding before deciding that the much-discussed charm of the movie was nowhere to be found. The girl should have told her father that he was being abusively controlling, gotten married at City Hall, and the old man could like it or not like it, end of story.

I remember feeling the same way when I watched 'The Notebook'. Didn't see the beginning, but I remember that, after the scene where the lead woman's mother admits that she stole the lead man's letters and tossed them, and that she did this knowing how badly it was hurting her daughter, and the woman still listened to her, I immediately stood up, walked downstairs, and announced to my mother that this woman obviously wasn't of our stock as no woman in my family would put up with that mess. It would have been less 'following mother' and more "have you lost your mind? what's wrong with you?! get away from me, I'm grabbing my man and you better pray you ever get to so much as hear about grandchildren!!"
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Post by: asb8 on January 13, 2013, 09:06:19 PM
Was anyone else amused when watching "50 First Dates", when Adam Sandler did the same approach on different days and the first time, it worked but the next time, she beat him up?


Regarding Beauty and the Beast, I preferred it to other princess movies because Belle stood up to the beast, yelled back at him and followed her own mind. None of the "I'll do whatever you tell me" of Little Mermaid and pre-destined-can't-fight-it love of Sleeping Beauty. My mom didn't like the movie because she considered Belle a "brat" for rejecting her town and people, so as with all children's stories and their meanings, YMMV.

Beauty and the Beast is one of the few disney princesses I'd be okay with my daughter emulating.  She reads no matter how strange the town thinks she is, she refuses to allow Gaston to bully her into marriage, she doesn't hesitate to run to rescue her father, she stands up to the Beast when he's a jerk and then defends him when the townspeople come to kill him.  Her and Mulan, they are the good ones.
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Post by: Slartibartfast on January 13, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Was anyone else amused when watching "50 First Dates", when Adam Sandler did the same approach on different days and the first time, it worked but the next time, she beat him up?


Regarding Beauty and the Beast, I preferred it to other princess movies because Belle stood up to the beast, yelled back at him and followed her own mind. None of the "I'll do whatever you tell me" of Little Mermaid and pre-destined-can't-fight-it love of Sleeping Beauty. My mom didn't like the movie because she considered Belle a "brat" for rejecting her town and people, so as with all children's stories and their meanings, YMMV.

Beauty and the Beast is one of the few disney princesses I'd be okay with my daughter emulating.  She reads no matter how strange the town thinks she is, she refuses to allow Gaston to bully her into marriage, she doesn't hesitate to run to rescue her father, she stands up to the Beast when he's a jerk and then defends him when the townspeople come to kill him.  Her and Mulan, they are the good ones.

Don't forget, Princess Leia is now a Disney princess too  ;D
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Post by: greencat on January 13, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
Waiting for your "one true love" to come back to you even though they are involved with someone else and generally unavailable gets romanticized a lot in media, but coming from the object of that unrequited affection, it's pretty creepy.

I had a man I'd been on a single date with - a month and a half before leaving town for the summer - send me a dozen red roses with an excessively romantic note for my early-fall birthday, alluding to our continued relationship after my return.  I had explicitly refused to commit to a long-distance relationship (or any relationship at all, for that matter) after a single date.  I had also been seriously dating and fallen in love with someone I'd met in SummerTown almost the entire time I'd been up there, something that HometownGuy knew.  When I confronted him about how inappropriate the note was, he complained that it "wasn't fair" that I had started dating the other guy instead of waiting for him, because he "really loved me."
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Post by: JadeAngel on January 13, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
Waiting for your "one true love" to come back to you even though they are involved with someone else and generally unavailable gets romanticized a lot in media, but coming from the object of that unrequited affection, it's pretty creepy.

Yeah, how many times have we seen the male lead wait until the heroine is about to sleep with/move in with/marry the 'other guy' and then come banging on her door? You have to butt in now? You couldn't figure out that you loved me during all the time I was single and available, it has to be now?

The RL problem with that is that so often the guy only realises he wants you when he can't have you, but if you break off your relationship and go with him you turn from 'idealised fantasy object' to 'ordinary girlfriend' and some guys will go off chasing the next unattainable girl...

Sorry all... this brings me to 'Dear John' (spoilers ahead if you have not seen it)

The guy starts out all noble, rescuing her purse when it fell in the ocean, other corny sappy stuff etc etc, but it doesn't take long for him to develop charming jealousy issues towards all the other male friends in her sphere and start punching more than one of them despite his protestations that he's "changed" from the angry young man who used to tear up beachside bars.

He re-enlists after September 11, which is very noble and heroic, but clearly the girl he left back home is barely a consideration in his decision. But when she sends him a letter telling him she's marrying someone else, he goes off in an extended rage ending up being wounded and shipped home. He meets with the girl, her husband (the friend he punched who was now dying of cancer) and decides to be all noble and walk out on her again.

Also (sidebar) anyone who ran into an airport checkpoint the wrong way through a metal detector a week after 9-11 would have several heavily armed men carting her away, not a kiss from her soldier boyfriend.

Then the girl sends him a letter saying 'hey my husband died, wanna hook up?' and they meet in some coffee shop, the end.

How any of this is supposed to be romantic beats me.
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Post by: CakeEater on January 13, 2013, 10:09:14 PM
Anything on this list- http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/10/four-lies-movies-taught-us-about-dating/all/1/

I especially liked the bit about "Sure you're in a tree outside her bedroom window, but it's only so you can watch her sleep!"

Actually, pretty much every vampire "romantic gesture" I can think of creeps me out. I'm not sure it's because they're all extra creepy compared to non-supernatural idiocies, or if the added element of "Dead people are hot!" puts them over the top.

The worst example I can think of is from the sixth season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. The scene where Spike attacks Buffy in her bathroom and essentially tries to rape her. The writers apparently thought that would come off as more romantically desperate than, you know, rape-y. If I recall correctly, the woman running the show at that point said it was based on a moment in her own life when she tried to force herself onto a guy to keep him from leaving her. Putting aside the fact that it's an incredibly ill-advised and despicable thing for a woman to do to a man, there's also the fact that it's especially creepy if you turn it around and make it a man doing it to a woman. Like it or not, our culture treats male on female violence differently than it treats female on male violence, and to throw a sexual element in on top of that? And still somehow think your audience will be okay with it? Not very bright.

Of course, there were some people who saw it as oh so romantic, as intended. That just goes to show you the usual sort of things this sort of situation goes to show you.

Really? That was supposed to be romantic? I always thought that it was meant to showcase that no matter how he felt about Buffy, Spike was still a revolting monster at heart. And further that when he realised that it was what inspired him to go get his soul back (so that he wouldn't be a revolting monster anymore and Buffy wouldn't be entirely justified in hating his guts). Admittedly I tend to rewatch the earlier seasons so I haven't seen it for ages, but that's my recollection.

It was a *brilliant* scene when I interpreted it my way. But romantic? No way on earth. (Also a woman trying to force herself onto a man to prevent him from leaving is revolting. I hate that some writer has tried to justify her moment of criminal assault by trying to fool the rest of us).


Plus, they hardly had a normal relationship. She was stronger than him - and they spent a lot of time beating each other up.
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Post by: asb8 on January 13, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
Was anyone else amused when watching "50 First Dates", when Adam Sandler did the same approach on different days and the first time, it worked but the next time, she beat him up?


Regarding Beauty and the Beast, I preferred it to other princess movies because Belle stood up to the beast, yelled back at him and followed her own mind. None of the "I'll do whatever you tell me" of Little Mermaid and pre-destined-can't-fight-it love of Sleeping Beauty. My mom didn't like the movie because she considered Belle a "brat" for rejecting her town and people, so as with all children's stories and their meanings, YMMV.

Beauty and the Beast is one of the few disney princesses I'd be okay with my daughter emulating.  She reads no matter how strange the town thinks she is, she refuses to allow Gaston to bully her into marriage, she doesn't hesitate to run to rescue her father, she stands up to the Beast when he's a jerk and then defends him when the townspeople come to kill him.  Her and Mulan, they are the good ones.

Don't forget, Princess Leia is now a Disney princess too  ;D

Oooh, I forgot about her! 

She's a good role model too, if you overlook the gold bikini, which I'm pretty sure wasn't her or Carrie Fisher's idea.
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Post by: Softly Spoken on January 13, 2013, 11:02:29 PM

Beauty and the Beast is one of the few disney princesses I'd be okay with my daughter emulating.  She reads no matter how strange the town thinks she is, she refuses to allow Gaston to bully her into marriage, she doesn't hesitate to run to rescue her father, she stands up to the Beast when he's a jerk and then defends him when the townspeople come to kill him.  Her and Mulan, they are the good ones.

Don't forget, Princess Leia is now a Disney princess too  ;D

Oooh, I forgot about her! 

She's a good role model too, if you overlook the gold bikini, which I'm pretty sure wasn't her or Carrie Fisher's idea.

FWIW, she didn't want to wear the bikini, she had to because her rescue mission hit a snag and she was forced to be Jabba the Hut's sex slave. Despite that she still managed to fire a gun into the deck of a hover ship to sink it, after strangling Jabba to death with her slave chains. Think about that! Luke didn't kill Jabba. Han didn't kill him. Lando didn't. Leia took out one of the scariest, ugliest, most feared and evil characters outside of the Empire and she did it with her bare hands! The fact that she did all that without having a wardrobe malfunction is just one more reason she is awesome. ;D

Back to topic: I hate any romance novel where the guy is a jerk and yet...somehow...the girl is drawn to him and can't resist *swoon* ack. GAG. No, women DO. NOT. LIKE. JERKS. I get the whole theme of "funny/cute misunderstanding/different worlds/once they get to know each other" is popular, but as a too often it is too fast and too extreme and that is just not believable and bad story telling.
I don't do romcoms because they are so annoying. The movie that was hard for me to watch? "Romancing the Stone" It was entertaining and funny but I just didn't believe that the guy (Michael Douglas) changed and eventually cared about the girl (Kathleen Turner). I didn't believe it when he came back...and he should have given her half of the money he got for the stone since they both found it - but instead he buys a freakin boat and she sails off with him. It was better than most (the whole point was it wasn't like a romance novel) but still hit some sour notes - rogue was still too much of a rogue and nice girl was still too nice and forgiving.
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Post by: asb8 on January 13, 2013, 11:13:50 PM

Beauty and the Beast is one of the few disney princesses I'd be okay with my daughter emulating.  She reads no matter how strange the town thinks she is, she refuses to allow Gaston to bully her into marriage, she doesn't hesitate to run to rescue her father, she stands up to the Beast when he's a jerk and then defends him when the townspeople come to kill him.  Her and Mulan, they are the good ones.

Don't forget, Princess Leia is now a Disney princess too  ;D

Oooh, I forgot about her! 

She's a good role model too, if you overlook the gold bikini, which I'm pretty sure wasn't her or Carrie Fisher's idea.

FWIW, she didn't want to wear the bikini, she had to because her rescue mission hit a snag and she was forced to be Jabba the Hut's sex slave. Despite that she still managed to fire a gun into the deck of a hover ship to sink it, after strangling Jabba to death with her slave chains. Think about that! Luke didn't kill Jabba. Han didn't kill him. Lando didn't. Leia took out one of the scariest, ugliest, most feared and evil characters outside of the Empire and she did it with her bare hands! The fact that she did all that without having a wardrobe malfunction is just one more reason she is awesome. ;D


Oh I know she didn't want too!  My objection is aimed at the producers.  They had two massive hits on their hands without going to that place.  Why was it necessary to go there for the third?
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Post by: greencat on January 13, 2013, 11:23:44 PM

Beauty and the Beast is one of the few disney princesses I'd be okay with my daughter emulating.  She reads no matter how strange the town thinks she is, she refuses to allow Gaston to bully her into marriage, she doesn't hesitate to run to rescue her father, she stands up to the Beast when he's a jerk and then defends him when the townspeople come to kill him.  Her and Mulan, they are the good ones.

Don't forget, Princess Leia is now a Disney princess too  ;D

Oooh, I forgot about her! 

She's a good role model too, if you overlook the gold bikini, which I'm pretty sure wasn't her or Carrie Fisher's idea.

FWIW, she didn't want to wear the bikini, she had to because her rescue mission hit a snag and she was forced to be Jabba the Hut's sex slave. Despite that she still managed to fire a gun into the deck of a hover ship to sink it, after strangling Jabba to death with her slave chains. Think about that! Luke didn't kill Jabba. Han didn't kill him. Lando didn't. Leia took out one of the scariest, ugliest, most feared and evil characters outside of the Empire and she did it with her bare hands! The fact that she did all that without having a wardrobe malfunction is just one more reason she is awesome. ;D


Oh I know she didn't want too!  My objection is aimed at the producers.  They had two massive hits on their hands without going to that place.  Why was it necessary to go there for the third?

I think the idea that the Princess was put in a situation where she was being totally objectified and that she, not the male heroes, was the one to put down the bad guy who did that to her, was a real female empowerment message that I haven't really seen the equal of in a mainstream movie, and one presented with a great deal of finesse instead of being beaten into the audience with a sledgehammer.
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Post by: Shakira on January 14, 2013, 04:11:08 AM
Someone upthread mentioned Flowers in the Attic...yes, absolutely!

Quick story, for those who haven't read it: woman has four children with her husband (who is also her half-uncle or some such thing), husband dies, woman is destitute and needs help from her uber-wealthy aging parents. Her father doesn't know about the four children and won't give woman a nickel if he ever finds out about them, so woman and her mother decide to lock said children in an attic for something like 2 years. Then all four children are poisoned with arsenic and the youngest one eventually dies and the other three escape.

The books are insanely ridiculous, with no mention of the woman and her mother getting in any sort of legal trouble. I believe though, in the final book, the oldest daughter eventually gets revenge on her mother by killing her husband or something. No jail for her either.
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Post by: cicero on January 14, 2013, 05:18:08 AM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.
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Post by: WolfWay on January 14, 2013, 05:24:36 AM
Pretty much all the actions of the two male leads in This Means War. <shudder> Massive invasion of privacy, illegal phone tapping, misuse of goverment surveillance equipment and personel, breaking and entering into her house while she's there... gah.

Okay, so I might not object to Tom Hardy breaking in my house while I'm there  ;) , but still, the whole set up of plot was uber creepy, and all of it was handwaved away as Romantic gestures on both their parts. If it had been the villain in the movie doing the exact same things, there would have been the violin music from the show scene in Psycho playing for most of it.

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Post by: cicero on January 14, 2013, 05:34:46 AM
oh and another one -matilda. didn't properly secure her in the car on the way home from the hospital. the parents left her at home alone all day long from age zero. they didn't send her to school when they were supposed to. didn't remember her age. father was busy scamming people all day long. and they gave her up for adoption without blinking. great home for a child to grow up in...
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Post by: scotcat60 on January 14, 2013, 06:12:46 AM
"The Sheik" byE.M.Hull was published in 1919, and the heroine falls for the eponymus hero in spite of being repeatedly raped by him. It's the helpless little woman falls for amsterful he-man syndrome.

Slightly O/T have just watched "The Accidental Husband" in which the heroine, Emma is lead to believe that she is married to Patrick, because his friend  A.J. hacks the computer at City Hall to falsify a record and make out that she is married. Like no one signs a register when they marry, so there would be a hard copy of the certificate on deposit. In the end, she realises she loves Patrick, and in the last scene, she is married to him, and pregnant, wihout you knowing whether he told her the truth about the hacking. Not a restraining order job, but you do have to suspend belief a bit, (and wonder why she didn't end up with her fiance, played by Colin Firth)

But if we analysed everything too closely, it woule be a dull world I suppose.
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Post by: Snooks on January 14, 2013, 06:27:52 AM
I'm fairly sure Kurt Russell and the kids wouldn't be there for Goldie Hawn to go back to in Overboard as they'd be in care and he'd be in prison for kidnap.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 14, 2013, 06:55:26 AM
Merida is my favorite Disney Princess to date, followed by Mulan. :) And I always did like Belle, as I was a bookworm as a kid and loved that she read a lot too and was also taunted for always having her nose in a book, as I often was at the time the movie came out.

Funny thing about Gilmore Girls is that I remember they'd order all that food but you hardly saw them eat any of it other than one or two bites.
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Post by: NestHolder on January 14, 2013, 07:00:52 AM
In Groundhog Day, the main character spends many of his lives getting information out of his love interest so that he can sleep with her - it's definitely 'cheating', and he isn't interested in what she likes, only in what he can use.  I'm so happy that it doesn't work, and after a while she balks earlier and earlier.  In the end, he can only 'win' the girl by turning into a decent human being.  A nice lesson.
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Post by: Mediancat on January 14, 2013, 08:49:44 AM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob
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Post by: hermanne on January 14, 2013, 08:57:51 AM
oh and another one -matilda. didn't properly secure her in the car on the way home from the hospital. the parents left her at home alone all day long from age zero. they didn't send her to school when they were supposed to. didn't remember her age. father was busy scamming people all day long. and they gave her up for adoption without blinking. great home for a child to grow up in...

I was going to mention that one! :) My daughter loves it for the "magic" Matilda can do, while I'm emphasizing the magic of the librarian telling Matilda about library cards.
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Post by: Bexx27 on January 14, 2013, 09:10:19 AM
In Groundhog Day, the main character spends many of his lives getting information out of his love interest so that he can sleep with her - it's definitely 'cheating', and he isn't interested in what she likes, only in what he can use.  I'm so happy that it doesn't work, and after a while she balks earlier and earlier.  In the end, he can only 'win' the girl by turning into a decent human being.  A nice lesson.

Yes! One of my favorites.

I haven't seen anyone mention "Housesitter" with Steve Martin and Goldie Hawn. It's a funny movie, but really? She breaks into his house and starts living there, spending his money, telling his friends and family she's his wife, and that's somehow quirky and charming?
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Post by: rose red on January 14, 2013, 09:24:14 AM
Someone upthread mentioned Flowers in the Attic...yes, absolutely!

Quick story, for those who haven't read it: woman has four children with her husband (who is also her half-uncle or some such thing), husband dies, woman is destitute and needs help from her uber-wealthy aging parents. Her father doesn't know about the four children and won't give woman a nickel if he ever finds out about them, so woman and her mother decide to lock said children in an attic for something like 2 years. Then all four children are poisoned with arsenic and the youngest one eventually dies and the other three escape.

The books are insanely ridiculous, with no mention of the woman and her mother getting in any sort of legal trouble. I believe though, in the final book, the oldest daughter eventually gets revenge on her mother by killing her husband or something. No jail for her either.

Even with all the craziness, what icked me out was the 40-something guardian with 16 year old Cathy.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 14, 2013, 09:31:01 AM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob

*snicker*

I remember reading a lot of V.C. Andrews books as a kid and eventually had to stop for all the incest in her stories.
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Post by: amylouky on January 14, 2013, 09:35:39 AM
Well, there's the date rape that Jake set his g/f up for in Sixteen Candles.. hopefully would lead to more than a restraining order, though.
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Post by: weeblewobble on January 14, 2013, 09:39:40 AM
Well, there's the date rape that Jake set his g/f up for in Sixteen Candles.. hopefully would lead to more than a restraining order, though.

Gah! I'd never thought of it that way!!
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Post by: Winterlight on January 14, 2013, 09:53:42 AM
Overboard- Goldie Hawn's character might have been a jerk, but lying to her for months was not an acceptable response.
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Post by: amylouky on January 14, 2013, 09:57:14 AM
Well, there's the date rape that Jake set his g/f up for in Sixteen Candles.. hopefully would lead to more than a restraining order, though.

Gah! I'd never thought of it that way!!

I didn't either when I was younger.. I watched it again when I was about 30 and was disturbed.
I LOVED Jake..
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Post by: Syfygeek on January 14, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
snip..
Also most of the books by Christine Feehan where the male lead is a "Carpathian" which appears to be someone with vampiric traits and a belief that their pre-selected beloved really wants an up tight control freak who tries to boss them around and control their behaviour.

I like vampire books, but the only one of this series I read was the one where the "Lead Crapathian" decided the girl was ready to be his, no matter what she said, bit her, killed her and buried her. And let her wake up by herself and dig her way out of the grave.

I love John Wayne movies, but McClintock makes me crazy! Sure he's a hard working, hard drinking man, but chasing your estranged wife thru town and spanking her isn't appropriate, and encouraging a young man to do the same to your daughter isn't either!
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 14, 2013, 10:42:08 AM
How about "My Best Friend's Wedding"?  I could not stand Julia Robert's character and wanted to smack Cameron Diaz's character for being so forgiving and letting her still be the bridesmaid.  ::)
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Post by: rose red on January 14, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
This is from TV.  In Glee when Rachel sent a rival to a crackhouse, when Sebastian almost blinded Blaine, whenever anyone throw a slushie in someone's face, throwing people into dumpsters and lockers.  So many things on that show would have assult charges filed in real life and the school would be facing multiple law suits.  I would certainly raise hell to the media at the very least.
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Post by: BabyMama on January 14, 2013, 11:10:48 AM
How about "My Best Friend's Wedding"?  I could not stand Julia Robert's character and wanted to smack Cameron Diaz's character for being so forgiving and letting her still be the bridesmaid.  ::)

Oh my gosh yes.

Charlize Theron's character in Young Adult. I realize that dysfunction was the point of her character, but holy trainwreck.
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Post by: Miss March on January 14, 2013, 11:21:02 AM
There's a cute little Sandra Bullock movie that I like to watch at the holidays called "While You Were Sleeping." She plays a lonely woman who works at a railway station, who has a crush on a handsome man who often passes through the train station, but she never speaks to him. One day, he is attacked and he falls onto the tracks and she saves him. As he is taken to the hospital in a coma, she (thinking of her fantasy life) says "But I was supposed to marry him," and the hospital staff take her words literally. Next thing you know, she's been introduced to his grieving and anxious family as his fiance, and she goes along with it, hanging out with the family, attending family events, and even going through the man's apartment. In the film, it's appealing, because Sandra plays such a good-hearted person and you understand that she's very lonely, and when the truth finally comes out, everyone forgives her and welcomes her into the family. But in real life, if a stranger posed as the fiance of a man she had never met who was in a coma, that would be pretty reprehensible.
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Post by: snowflake on January 14, 2013, 11:28:48 AM
I was actually very disappointed with Disney's Beauty and the Beast.  I grew up with the version where a very nice intelligent prince finds himself at the mercy of a curse.  There was no stomping, threatening or temper.  The story was that he was only a beast in looks.  He lets Beauty go even though he knows the curse will destroy himself and his castle.  (In my version he sort of went to sleep a la Sleeping Beauty and she fought her way through thorns to waken him with a kiss.)

For Bringing up Baby and Housesitter, I thought the whole premise was that they were pathological in a humorous way.  So, definitely not pretending to be truly romantic and something you want to emulate!  I don't mind movies like those because they are meant to be ridiculous.  I see them on the same level as, say, "Mystery men" where I wouldn't necessarily want the protagonists to have any hand in real law enforcement  but it makes for a funny movie.

That said, I am a notorious grinch about "romantic" movies.  One thing I remember is watching Untamed Heart where the lead is your garden variety stalker who saves her from other stalkers - so it's OK, right?  The female lead is some annoying, jellyfish of a woman without a single interesting trait.  And at the end I said, "Oh thank goodness he died, because he was pretty annoying and she'd kick him to the curb after a month!"

Ditto on Christine Feehan.  I tried two and put them down because they were so freakin' annoying.  I had someone tell me that she read them for the "strong women."  What?  You mean the women who get all feisty before realizing that they like to be dominated?   ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Post by: CakeBeret on January 14, 2013, 11:47:04 AM
I can't stand most romcoms. Too cheesy, too unrealistic. However, a PP mentioned This Means War. I agree completely, but I still loved the movie because I enjoyed the comedic/ridiculousness factor. And Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy can break into my house any day he wants. :P
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 14, 2013, 12:15:03 PM
There's a cute little Sandra Bullock movie that I like to watch at the holidays called "While You Were Sleeping." She plays a lonely woman who works at a railway station, who has a crush on a handsome man who often passes through the train station, but she never speaks to him. One day, he is attacked and he falls onto the tracks and she saves him. As he is taken to the hospital in a coma, she (thinking of her fantasy life) says "But I was supposed to marry him," and the hospital staff take her words literally. Next thing you know, she's been introduced to his grieving and anxious family as his fiance, and she goes along with it, hanging out with the family, attending family events, and even going through the man's apartment. In the film, it's appealing, because Sandra plays such a good-hearted person and you understand that she's very lonely, and when the truth finally comes out, everyone forgives her and welcomes her into the family. But in real life, if a stranger posed as the fiance of a man she had never met who was in a coma, that would be pretty reprehensible.

I like that one too and thought of that but decided it didn't really count because her character (Lucy, I think her name is) feels so terrible about lying and when she seeks advice from the family's long time friend, he advises her NOT to tell them because as long as Peter's in the coma, she's their only link to them.   

And it's been a while since I've seen it but I think when the nurse introduces her as Peter's fiance she tries to correct the mistake right away but then his mother starts crying and hugs him and everyone's happy, then there's the grandmother with a heart condition.  So she does try to make things right and does feel conflicted about it, especially when she finds herself falling for Peter's brother.

Just thought of one. Ranger from the Stephanie Plum stories.  The way he can get into her house no matter how many locks she has on her apartment? Most women would be getting a restraining order, but she's just accepted it as par for the course.  Then again, it is Ranger. ;)
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Post by: cicero on January 14, 2013, 12:18:39 PM
How about "My Best Friend's Wedding"?  I could not stand Julia Robert's character and wanted to smack Cameron Diaz's character for being so forgiving and letting her still be the bridesmaid.  ::)
i forgot about this one!
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Post by: a clever screenname on January 14, 2013, 12:23:31 PM
As much as I love sci-fi, and was a fan of the show Torchwood, they get added to the 'should be in jail' list.  For those unfamiliar, the basic summary of the show is a team of specialist protect the world from  both Alien invasions and the finding/misuse of Alien artifacts. 

In one of their first shows in season1 the medical Dr in the team 'borrows' an alien perfume (pheromones?) which on humans makes you sexually irresistible to others. He spritzes himself with this that evening to pick up a couple at a bar.  Because it's okay to use chemical enhancements to influence others' choices of sex partners.  No need to be concerned that the girl had already turned you down (and that shortly thereafter her boyfriend shows up and also wasn't impressed), you can still use these chemicals  to change their minds, as long as these chemicals hadn't originate from earth.   

I never could really sympathize with that Dr after that.
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Post by: Onyx_TKD on January 14, 2013, 12:58:44 PM
As much as I love sci-fi, and was a fan of the show Torchwood, they get added to the 'should be in jail' list.  For those unfamiliar, the basic summary of the show is a team of specialist protect the world from  both Alien invasions and the finding/misuse of Alien artifacts. 

In one of their first shows in season1 the medical Dr in the team 'borrows' an alien perfume (pheromones?) which on humans makes you sexually irresistible to others. He spritzes himself with this that evening to pick up a couple at a bar.  Because it's okay to use chemical enhancements to influence others' choices of sex partners.  No need to be concerned that the girl had already turned you down (and that shortly thereafter her boyfriend shows up and also wasn't impressed), you can still use these chemicals  to change their minds, as long as these chemicals hadn't originate from earth.  

I never could really sympathize with that Dr after that.

I'm pretty sure Owen (the doctor in question) was intended to be a selfish sleazeball. I don't think the audience was supposed to think that was ok; I think it was supposed to convey what type of person he was (an unethical, nasty jerk who didn't see any issue with date-rape as long as he got what he wanted). As I recall, Owen's slow, slow transition into a fairly decent person who actually cared about other people was kind of his character arc throughout the first two seasons. Actually, I think that whole sequence, where we see every single person on the team (aside from the team leader) take home pieces of alien technology to play with (which the team leader had just explained was strictly forbidden), was intended as an establishing moment for all the members of the team and the team's overall culture. Torchwood runs on people who like to skirt rules they find inconvenient, even their own rules. They justify that because they're protecting their planet from the alien menace. Their people are routinely rewarded for results (capturing aliens, saving the Earth, etc.) even as they break laws, ethical codes, etc., right and left. They are forgiven or outright rewarded for their behavior even when they break Torchwood's internal rules. In such an environment, it's no wonder that individual members are held in check only by the limits of their own consciences, and people with insufficiently developed consciences (*cough cough*Owen*cough cough*) are kept around and tolerated anyway as long as they are sufficiently brilliant and useful.

I think including characters like Owen actually highlighted the fundamental problems with Torchwood--it's much easier to forgive the "good," self-sacrificing characters for using the end to justify the means, because we can see that their intentions are noble and they beat themselves up over the bad things they have to do to achieve the goal. Then there are characters like Owen, and it gets much harder to tell yourself that it's ok for the heroes to operate this way. So he was definitely on the "should be in jail" list, but I think that was intentional on the part of the writers.  ;)
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Post by: Virg on January 14, 2013, 01:13:32 PM
laud_shy_girl wrote:

"Even Classic Disney does it. Look at beauty and the beast. Bell is bullied and blackmailed in to living with the beast where she then has a "chance" to fall in love."

Others have addressed the film as a whole above, but this jumped out at me because it's at odds with the storyline.  The Beast didn't bully or blackmail her, she offered to trade places with her father, who was in the dungeon because he'd been caught trespassing.  His reaction at her suggestion showed that he hadn't thought of making her stay before she said it.  Sure, that's a steep punishment for accidentally wandering into the castle, but for the setting it wasn't absurd and the Beast was socially stunted, due to his lack of etiquette training as shown above (and the fact that the other discussions in the story show that he was eleven years old when he was cursed).  In the end, she fell in love with him because he fell for her and really tried to become a better person for her.  Heck, near the end he even released her from her own promise to stay, assuming that she'd never return, so even I find the romance overarching any issues with force.

Virg
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Post by: faithlessone on January 14, 2013, 02:21:57 PM
There's a cute little Sandra Bullock movie that I like to watch at the holidays called "While You Were Sleeping." She plays a lonely woman who works at a railway station, who has a crush on a handsome man who often passes through the train station, but she never speaks to him. One day, he is attacked and he falls onto the tracks and she saves him. As he is taken to the hospital in a coma, she (thinking of her fantasy life) says "But I was supposed to marry him," and the hospital staff take her words literally. Next thing you know, she's been introduced to his grieving and anxious family as his fiance, and she goes along with it, hanging out with the family, attending family events, and even going through the man's apartment. In the film, it's appealing, because Sandra plays such a good-hearted person and you understand that she's very lonely, and when the truth finally comes out, everyone forgives her and welcomes her into the family. But in real life, if a stranger posed as the fiance of a man she had never met who was in a coma, that would be pretty reprehensible.

I'd forgotten that one. Seriously scared me when I watched it!!
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Post by: Docslady21 on January 14, 2013, 02:50:42 PM
'Flowers in the Attic', anyone?

Oh my lord. Anything VC Andrews. And I mean anything. Never have I seen so many rapists and child molesters find partners than in her books. I remember reading Flowers at 11 and being completely stunned. It was in the school library, and while I try not to censor, I really think that was a book that should require parental permission. So awkward.
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Post by: Queen of Clubs on January 14, 2013, 03:04:39 PM
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.
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Post by: Iris on January 14, 2013, 03:08:34 PM
oh and another one -matilda. didn't properly secure her in the car on the way home from the hospital. the parents left her at home alone all day long from age zero. they didn't send her to school when they were supposed to. didn't remember her age. father was busy scamming people all day long. and they gave her up for adoption without blinking. great home for a child to grow up in...

I was going to mention that one! :) My daughter loves it for the "magic" Matilda can do, while I'm emphasizing the magic of the librarian telling Matilda about library cards.

Well Roald Dahl was never one for dealing in shades of grey. All of his bad characters are unrelentingly bad in everything they do, and usually ugly to boot. Yet I have yet to meet a child that doesn't love love love his books. then again, I remember my kindergarten teacher as being the most beautiful woman anywhere, ever, yet looking at old class photos she was really quite plain. So perhaps he just has a really good grip on how kid's minds work.
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Post by: BarensMom on January 14, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
House.  One can go episode by episode and count how many things would put House and/or his team in jail. 
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Post by: RebeccainGA on January 14, 2013, 03:22:36 PM
In Groundhog Day, the main character spends many of his lives getting information out of his love interest so that he can sleep with her - it's definitely 'cheating', and he isn't interested in what she likes, only in what he can use.  I'm so happy that it doesn't work, and after a while she balks earlier and earlier.  In the end, he can only 'win' the girl by turning into a decent human being.  A nice lesson.

Yes! One of my favorites.

I haven't seen anyone mention "Housesitter" with Steve Martin and Goldie Hawn. It's a funny movie, but really? She breaks into his house and starts living there, spending his money, telling his friends and family she's his wife, and that's somehow quirky and charming?

Oh, and then there's Steve Martin and Queen Latifah in "Bringing Down The House". Prisoner shows up, after basically lying about who she is online, takes over his house, hides from the police when it's determined she's escaped from prison....

I love them both, but geeze....
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 14, 2013, 03:25:01 PM
Oh ain't that the truth? It could be made into a drinking game, really.  Especially when they break into people's homes to find out what was wrong with them. 

And as much as I love NCIS and the head slap, you know that wouldn't go over well in real life. 
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Post by: faithlessone on January 14, 2013, 04:13:28 PM
And as much as I love NCIS and the head slap, you know that wouldn't go over well in real life. 

Well, it didn't go over well in that Sexual Harassment seminar, did it? (Season 4, "Driven", I think?)
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Post by: ica171 on January 14, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
This might be different because these things might have flown at the time the movie was made, but not today. In "The Breakfast Club," Andrew (the jock) tapes a very hairy student's rear end together. It's mentioned that when they took the tape off the skin came with it. These days, he probably would have had assault charges brought against him, and his punishment at school would have been much more severe than just Saturday detention. Also, Brian (the nerd) brings a gun to school. It's either a flare gun or pellet gun, I can't remember, but today he would have been expelled.
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Post by: stkatie00 on January 14, 2013, 05:36:25 PM
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.

To be fair, "Kiss Me Kate" is based off of Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew," and although I can't remember if the spanking occurs in Taming of the Shrew (I'm leaning toward yes), it's a fairly accurate adaptation, if I'm remembering correctly.
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Post by: nuit93 on January 14, 2013, 05:39:22 PM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob

*snicker*

I remember reading a lot of V.C. Andrews books as a kid and eventually had to stop for all the incest in her stories.

To be fair, she only actually wrote the Flowers series, and I think also My Sweet Audrina.  Everything else was ghost-written.

I stopped reading them because they were all starting to sound the same.
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Post by: snowflake on January 14, 2013, 05:50:14 PM
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.

To be fair, "Kiss Me Kate" is based off of Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew," and although I can't remember if the spanking occurs in Taming of the Shrew (I'm leaning toward yes), it's a fairly accurate adaptation, if I'm remembering correctly.

I actually don't expect any of the love stories in Shakespeare to be healthy.  I think he pretty much made them all dysfunctional on purpose for shock value.

Maybe I'm fooling myself, but I differentiate between things like While you were sleeping, Twelfth Night, and Bringing up Baby which are meant to be silly and romantic stories where I'm supposed to be rooting for the relationship in a serious way.
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Post by: JadeAngel on January 14, 2013, 06:04:46 PM
That said, I am a notorious grinch about "romantic" movies.  One thing I remember is watching Untamed Heart where the lead is your garden variety stalker who saves her from other stalkers - so it's OK, right?  The female lead is some annoying, jellyfish of a woman without a single interesting trait.  And at the end I said, "Oh thank goodness he died, because he was pretty annoying and she'd kick him to the curb after a month!"

Speaking of Christian Slater he made another one called 'Bed of Roses' where he was out wandering the streets late at night and saw Lisa (Mary Stuart Masterson) crying over her dead goldfish, so he follows her to her office the next morning and sends her flowers there, anonymously, with no note. She then tracks him down to the flower shop and agrees to a date, after which he bombards her with flowers (he sent her every single rose of a specific variety that was available in New York City) until she agrees to a second date with him. The Christian Slater character's sister warns him to slow down to which he blithely replies 'too late, I'm in love with her, it's great' He also proposes to her in front of his entire family the first time she ever meets them with no warning because he thought it would be 'something nice' for them all to share on Christmas Eve... but no pressure there, not at all!

Bonus points for Lisa arriving home to find lights on in her apartment and immediately grabbing her stun gun from her purse only to discover that her lover (Josh Brolin) is in her bed watching her TV and eating noodles he found in her fridge after her doorman let him in to the apartment without Lisa's permission. I would be getting a new doorman, she shrugs and takes back the noodles. I guess she's used to weird by now.
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Post by: Kimblee on January 14, 2013, 06:14:10 PM
Edward and Bella are my least favorite characters in Twilight.  When a dude tells you that he's been watching you sleep without you being aware he's in your room, it's not romantic. Ever.

Anything Angelus did to Buffy.

Some of the things Angel did to Buffy.

There was a jeans commercial a few years ago where a beautiful woman was driving cross country and she's obviously in a desert.  A guy follows her when she stops and gives her something (sunglasses, maybe?)  She says, "Oh, where did I drop this?" And he says, "Nebraska."

A friend of mine did something similar, although she didn't do it out of romance. She saw another truck driver leave his thermos at a gas station and leave, and when she paid for her stuff, grabbed it and ran after him, he had driven off. She knew he was from her company (not sure how) so she cleaned it out, put it in her cab and caught up with him a week or so later and returned it.

Turns out it was a father's day gift from his kids and he was very grateful. They run into each other occasionally.
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Post by: Docslady21 on January 14, 2013, 06:49:25 PM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob

*snicker*

I remember reading a lot of V.C. Andrews books as a kid and eventually had to stop for all the incest in her stories.

To be fair, she only actually wrote the Flowers series, and I think also My Sweet Audrina.  Everything else was ghost-written.

I stopped reading them because they were all starting to sound the same.

Those 5 books are all the same formula: Rape, incest, child abuse, depression, death, murder, and more incest. So even if all the ghost-written books never happened, she pretty much painted herself into a corner for her novel "type."
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Post by: weeblewobble on January 14, 2013, 07:06:03 PM
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.

To be fair, "Kiss Me Kate" is based off of Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew," and although I can't remember if the spanking occurs in Taming of the Shrew (I'm leaning toward yes), it's a fairly accurate adaptation, if I'm remembering correctly.

Yes, and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is parody of "The R@pe of the Sabine," which is an ancient Roman legend.   A writer adapted it into a story called "The Sobbin' Women." (Sabine/Sobbin) in the 1950s, I think.
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Post by: rose red on January 14, 2013, 07:14:39 PM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob

*snicker*

I remember reading a lot of V.C. Andrews books as a kid and eventually had to stop for all the incest in her stories.

To be fair, she only actually wrote the Flowers series, and I think also My Sweet Audrina.  Everything else was ghost-written.

I stopped reading them because they were all starting to sound the same.

Those 5 books are all the same formula: Rape, incest, child abuse, depression, death, murder, and more incest. So even if all the ghost-written books never happened, she pretty much painted herself into a corner for her novel "type."

My Sweet Audrina was quite a wacky trip but it didn't have incest.
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Post by: NutMeg on January 14, 2013, 07:20:53 PM
Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.

Hahaha! I love that movie so much. I laugh uncontrollably throughout. "Bless your beautiful hide! You're the one for me."
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Post by: Hawkwatcher on January 14, 2013, 08:20:30 PM
I think that romantic comedies such as While You were Sleeping and This Means War are the worst offenders of showing behavior that would result in a restraining order.  I also consider Knight and Day somewhat creepy because Tom Cruise's character kept drugging Cameron Diaz's character. 

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Post by: zyrs on January 14, 2013, 08:59:00 PM
This might be different because these things might have flown at the time the movie was made, but not today. In "The Breakfast Club," Andrew (the jock) tapes a very hairy student's rear end together. It's mentioned that when they took the tape off the skin came with it. These days, he probably would have had assault charges brought against him, and his punishment at school would have been much more severe than just Saturday detention. Also, Brian (the nerd) brings a gun to school. It's either a flare gun or pellet gun, I can't remember, but today he would have been expelled.

It was a flare gun.  It went off in his locker.  It destroyed the elephant lamp.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: afbluebelle on January 14, 2013, 09:57:14 PM
snip..
Also most of the books by Christine Feehan where the male lead is a "Carpathian" which appears to be someone with vampiric traits and a belief that their pre-selected beloved really wants an up tight control freak who tries to boss them around and control their behaviour.


I love John Wayne movies, but McClintock makes me crazy! Sure he's a hard working, hard drinking man, but chasing your estranged wife thru town and spanking her isn't appropriate, and encouraging a young man to do the same to your daughter isn't either!

That is my favorite John Wayne movie :-[
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: WolfWay on January 14, 2013, 11:36:52 PM
I can't stand most romcoms. Too cheesy, too unrealistic. However, a PP mentioned This Means War. I agree completely, but I still loved the movie because I enjoyed the comedic/ridiculousness factor. And Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy can break into my house any day he wants. :P
I didn't say I didn't love the movie (I do!), but when I put on my Captain Sensible hat, it's creeps me out a little.  ;)

Speaking of unrealistic actions, what sane woman with functional ears (that voice!) and eyes would possibly choose Chris Pine over Tom Hardy?  :o
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Slartibartfast on January 15, 2013, 12:08:00 AM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: ET is the best alien. on January 15, 2013, 12:28:41 AM
Family Matters. Laura's father is a cop and he accepts Urkel stalking his daughter. And then after years of his creepy behavior, she falls for him, and gets engaged to him. And then there is Myra, who plants a camera in his glasses.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: CakeEater on January 15, 2013, 03:23:55 AM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?


This is all a bit excessive, I think.

Blackmail isn't the same as rape.

And Quinn was feeling bad about herself, and made a bad decision, not that he did anything against her will.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Twik on January 15, 2013, 09:24:20 AM
Blackmail isn't rape, but this one does have a sexual humiliation connotation. Oh, and it's a major felony, which could result in serious jail time, not just a harmless little trick.

The second one may not be "against her will," but it does indicate a mindset that a boy is entitled to use a girl sexually when she is not *really* interested in sex with him, because, hey, it's against all nature for a male to turn down sex. Even if he knows the girl will suffer for it afterwards. Because that's what being a real man is all about, getting some.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: twoferrets on January 15, 2013, 09:24:49 AM
I recently re-read the Flowers in the Attic series, and while I remembered the icky stuff from the first go round many years ago, what really struck me as an adult was what an awful, obsessive person Christopher (the older brother) is.  My younger self saw them all as thrown into a horrible situation where horrible things happened; now I think that Christopher would probably have been creepily possessive of his sister regardless.

On another note, Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander."  I know it's a period piece, but the part where Jamie does his "duty" and administers a proper beating to his wife soured me on the whole series.  It's been a while since I read it but I think the wife eventually even accepts that it's her fault for driving him to it.  NO.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: artk2002 on January 15, 2013, 09:54:19 AM
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.

To be fair, "Kiss Me Kate" is based off of Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew," and although I can't remember if the spanking occurs in Taming of the Shrew (I'm leaning toward yes), it's a fairly accurate adaptation, if I'm remembering correctly.

I couldn't find it in a quick scan of the script, but... Taming of the Shrew is one long case of abuse. Petruchio starves Kate, keeps her awake and provides a perfect lesson in gaslighting. It its favor, it has some of the best word-play and puns in the English language. To redeem it, I imagine that Kate and Petruchio settle down to a relationship more like Benedick and Beatrice, despite "I am ashamed that women are so simple."
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Betelnut on January 15, 2013, 10:04:08 AM
I love this movie but there is some borderline abuse in it:  The Quiet Man.  The John Wayne character really manhandles the Maureen O'Hara character quite a bit.  The scene where he drags her through the entire village is over the top.  Granted, she also does a number on him too (using sex (or lack thereof) as a weapon is not cool either!)

That said, I love the movie.  I want to see it again now!
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: athersgeo on January 15, 2013, 10:17:20 AM
Wicker Park. It stars Josh Hartnett (amongst others) and it is a walking, talking ROMP through behaviour that ought to get the perpetrators jailed (or at least restrained by a judge).

To quote from my review of it (written just after I'd watched it): "Hartnett's character's an obsessive borderline stalker (frankly, if I'd been the girl he falls in love with, I'd have run the other way, fast). Hartnett's friend (Matthew Lillard) is a blowhard idiot. Rose Byrne plays the girl who's madly in love with Hartnett but is dating Lillard (and who actively wrecked Hartnett's original relationship with his stalking victim)...about the only character with an ounce of sympathy is Diane Kruger's - and she's an idiot for not running far and fast away from Hartnett for stalking her!

By the end of the film, I was vaguely hoping for them all to fall under buses or SOMETHING. The ghost of Al Capone could perhaps kick them all out of Chicago. ANYTHING. I'm sure I've seen films with less sympathetic characters, but right now, I'm struggling to recall what and when.

It's a remake of a French film, "L'Appartment", so whether the French version is any better, I wouldn't like to say. It can't conceivably be any worse."

Anyone seen the French original care to comment?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Slartibartfast on January 15, 2013, 10:20:11 AM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?


This is all a bit excessive, I think.

Blackmail isn't the same as rape.

And Quinn was feeling bad about herself, and made a bad decision, not that he did anything against her will.

He wasn't raped, but he didn't know that.  As far as he knew, he was, and he had no way of finding out differently.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Winterlight on January 15, 2013, 11:18:53 AM
House.  One can go episode by episode and count how many things would put House and/or his team in jail.

I once made a dr friend promise to sign me out AMA if House ever came near me- OK, I was on morphine at the time, but I stand by that! *g*
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Nikko-chan on January 15, 2013, 11:21:26 AM
Someone mentioned House... and there's a scene i saw that squicked me out. It was (I guess) supposed to be all cutesy and aww "Doctor making dying child's  wish come true" it came off as "oh ehell no, call the cops now!" to me. I will leave the following for you to judge.

Anyone remember the one House episode where the team was taking care of a young cancer patient who was like nine? She commented to Doctor Chase that she would never have a first kiss, and Doctor Chase looked at her, leaned over, as gave her a quick peck on the lips. I was so squicked by that. 'You are an adult!' I admonished him in my head. 'You do not get to do things like that. EVER!'

Anyone as squicked out as I am?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: ica171 on January 15, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
Someone mentioned House... and there's a scene i saw that squicked me out. It was (I guess) supposed to be all cutesy and aww "Doctor making dying child's  wish come true" it came off as "oh ehell no, call the cops now!" to me. I will leave the following for you to judge.

Anyone remember the one House episode where the team was taking care of a young cancer patient who was like nine? She commented to Doctor Chase that she would never have a first kiss, and Doctor Chase looked at her, leaned over, as gave her a quick peck on the lips. I was so squicked by that. 'You are an adult!' I admonished him in my head. 'You do not get to do things like that. EVER!'

Anyone as squicked out as I am?

I knew exactly which scene you were going to mention as soon as I read the first paragraph. In the context of the show, it was...OK, but I was sitting there wide-eyed going "he didn't really just do that!" I couldn't believe a doctor as ethical as Chase was at the time would even consider it. Of course, he did eventually kill an African dictator, so maybe we shouldn't be surprised that he would get that involved in a case.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Virg on January 15, 2013, 11:46:53 AM
ica171 wrote:

"This might be different because these things might have flown at the time the movie was made, but not today. In "The Breakfast Club," Andrew (the jock) tapes a very hairy student's rear end together. It's mentioned that when they took the tape off the skin came with it. These days, he probably would have had assault charges brought against him, and his punishment at school would have been much more severe than just Saturday detention. Also, Brian (the nerd) brings a gun to school. It's either a flare gun or pellet gun, I can't remember, but today he would have been expelled."

This is definitely a sign of the times.  The type of bullying that Andrew got detention for really did happen in those days and the much stronger rules about bullying that exist today are in no small part due to this.  Brian bringing a flare gun to school also falls into this category.  Back when the movie was released, such an offense would have warranted detention even though these days it would be considered much worse.

Nikko-chan, I have to say that the scene you described doesn't really bother me at all.  In my opinion, calling the cops on Dr. Chase for something like that would reach too far, because the circumstances just don't come together to make it anything squicky.  The girl wasn't being exploited or tricked, Dr. Chase was quite obviously not doing it for any prurient reason and it was a quick kiss, not a passionate "movie star" sort of thing.  While I understand why it might bother some, I can't say it struck me badly.

Virg
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: nuit93 on January 15, 2013, 11:48:46 AM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob

*snicker*

I remember reading a lot of V.C. Andrews books as a kid and eventually had to stop for all the incest in her stories.

To be fair, she only actually wrote the Flowers series, and I think also My Sweet Audrina.  Everything else was ghost-written.

I stopped reading them because they were all starting to sound the same.

Those 5 books are all the same formula: Rape, incest, child abuse, depression, death, murder, and more incest. So even if all the ghost-written books never happened, she pretty much painted herself into a corner for her novel "type."

My Sweet Audrina was quite a wacky trip but it didn't have incest.

Not directly, but the way Audrina's father acted towards her was a bit creepy and overbearing.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Queen of Clubs on January 15, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.

To be fair, "Kiss Me Kate" is based off of Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew," and although I can't remember if the spanking occurs in Taming of the Shrew (I'm leaning toward yes), it's a fairly accurate adaptation, if I'm remembering correctly.

Yes, and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is parody of "The R@pe of the Sabine," which is an ancient Roman legend.   A writer adapted it into a story called "The Sobbin' Women." (Sabine/Sobbin) in the 1950s, I think.

I know what they're based on - I just have issues with both of them.  For me, what adds to it is, while Petruchio could get away with treating Kate in such an absymal fashion as he was her husband and women were treated as property then, in the film adaptation it was in the 1950s (?) and their characters were divorced.  Despite all that, I do - sort of - like the films.  In parts, anyway.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: BabylonSister on January 15, 2013, 12:35:44 PM
In The Philadelphia Story, Dexter hits his then-wife Tracy and it's treated like it's no big deal at all. Tracy's little sister even thinks it was really cool and he should dock her again.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Betelnut on January 15, 2013, 01:28:03 PM
In The Philadelphia Story, Dexter hits his then-wife Tracy and it's treated like it's no big deal at all. Tracy's little sister even thinks it was really cool and he should dock her again.

As I recall, he puts his hand on her face and then pushes.  More of a push rather than a hit.  True, not nice and not something that should be done...

Love that movie.  My favorite KH movie for sure!
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Twik on January 15, 2013, 01:31:56 PM
On the other hand, my cousin had a long-term dislike of James Cagney after seeing the "grapefruit in the kisser" clip. I had to explain to her that (1)  it was the character, not him, and (2) he was *supposed* to be a horrible person in that role. It wasn't "oh, cute, he pushed a grapefruit rind into his girl's face, giggle, giggle," it was to show how crude and violent he was.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: magician5 on January 15, 2013, 01:36:23 PM
The musical "Carousel" - I want to like it so much, and most of the show is wonderful, but the main male character is such a bad man (I had almost worked my way past that) and then, in response to his abusive behavior, his true love says "Sometimes someone hits you and it feels like a kiss" ... no, no, no!
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: asb8 on January 15, 2013, 02:30:50 PM
Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?

I don't think that was rape, I think that was lowered inhibitions, hormonal teenagers and bad timing.  I do agree with you about the Sue thing though.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Miss Misery on January 15, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
Everything that is supposed to be "romantic" about Edward Cullen and Jacob Black (pedophilia, emotional abuse, kidnapping, stalking, breaking-and-entering, disabling the truck). *shudder*
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Syfygeek on January 15, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?

There's a Buffy/Glee crossover fanfiction where authorities are called on the principal, the teachers are reported and the football team is beaten up by Faith and Buffy for all these reasons.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Winterlight on January 15, 2013, 03:54:17 PM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob

*snicker*

I remember reading a lot of V.C. Andrews books as a kid and eventually had to stop for all the incest in her stories.

To be fair, she only actually wrote the Flowers series, and I think also My Sweet Audrina.  Everything else was ghost-written.

I stopped reading them because they were all starting to sound the same.

Those 5 books are all the same formula: Rape, incest, child abuse, depression, death, murder, and more incest. So even if all the ghost-written books never happened, she pretty much painted herself into a corner for her novel "type."

My Sweet Audrina was quite a wacky trip but it didn't have incest.

Not directly, but the way Audrina's father acted towards her was a bit creepy and overbearing.

I thought of that as emotional abuse, at the least. "Let's not get our traumatized daughter therapy, instead we'll pretend it happened to someone else and convince her that she's her own younger sister because then she'll be happy again, and that will make daddy happy!" Ye gods.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: sourwolf on January 15, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
I don't know about a restraining order... but I always wanted to call CPS on Lorelai Gilmore for feeding her daughter carp all.day.long.

It's an unusual culinary choice, but unless Rory was allergic to fish, I don't see the problem.

Rob

*snicker*

I remember reading a lot of V.C. Andrews books as a kid and eventually had to stop for all the incest in her stories.

To be fair, she only actually wrote the Flowers series, and I think also My Sweet Audrina.  Everything else was ghost-written.

I stopped reading them because they were all starting to sound the same.

Those 5 books are all the same formula: Rape, incest, child abuse, depression, death, murder, and more incest. So even if all the ghost-written books never happened, she pretty much painted herself into a corner for her novel "type."

My Sweet Audrina was quite a wacky trip but it didn't have incest.

Not directly, but the way Audrina's father acted towards her was a bit creepy and overbearing.

I thought of that as emotional abuse, at the least. "Let's not get our traumatized daughter therapy, instead we'll pretend it happened to someone else and convince her that she's her own younger sister because then she'll be happy again, and that will make daddy happy!" Ye gods.

Oh my, my semi-traumatized 11 year old self must have repressed all memories of this book but the last post brought it right back.  IIRC there was even more sinister goings on I think the half (step?) sister set her up to be attacked because she thought Audrina was spoiled or something ridiculous.  I'm pretty sure just about everyone ended up dead at the end of this book too.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Winterlight on January 15, 2013, 04:02:21 PM
Close. Here's my favorite summary- NSFW language. 

http://foreveryoungadult.com/2011/06/10/a-review-of-the-worst-book-in-history/
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: sourwolf on January 15, 2013, 04:22:37 PM
Close. Here's my favorite summary- NSFW language. 

http://foreveryoungadult.com/2011/06/10/a-review-of-the-worst-book-in-history/

Oh.  Wow.  Thanks? That review was both really funny and horrifying. 
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Iris on January 15, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?

There's a Buffy/Glee crossover fanfiction where authorities are called on the principal, the teachers are reported and the football team is beaten up by Faith and Buffy for all these reasons.

That sounds great! Could you link to it please?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Iris on January 15, 2013, 05:33:38 PM
Close. Here's my favorite summary- NSFW language. 

http://foreveryoungadult.com/2011/06/10/a-review-of-the-worst-book-in-history/

Beat me to it  :) I love that post and thought of it as soon as I was reading the "My Sweet Audrina" comments.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: nuit93 on January 15, 2013, 05:34:04 PM
Close. Here's my favorite summary- NSFW language. 

http://foreveryoungadult.com/2011/06/10/a-review-of-the-worst-book-in-history/

Wow...I think I'd blocked out just how bad the book was before now.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: VorFemme on January 15, 2013, 06:39:24 PM
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.


The story is worse - in the movie, it's the brothers' idea.  In the written version, Milly had sworn to herself that she wouldn't spend the rest of her life cleaning up after a lot of men, just her own husband and children.

So she schemed a bit to find them women they were attracted to and then made sure that the women were available for courtship (although nothing more than courtship - as she was a married woman, they were chaperoned after the kidnapping).  Not to mention a lot more help with keeping up with seven men (six after Adam took off for the cabin, in the movie) and one pregnant woman/new mother with a baby.

And the story ends with SEVEN cabins in the clearing with seven happy couples....which is what the movie implies is happening with six girls marrying six guys in one quick wedding, complete with six very unhappy fathers with shotguns.

And Adam, who now realizes (as the father of a daughter) that he really shouldn't have done that....
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Post by: Winterlight on January 15, 2013, 09:21:59 PM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?

There's a Buffy/Glee crossover fanfiction where authorities are called on the principal, the teachers are reported and the football team is beaten up by Faith and Buffy for all these reasons.

That sounds great! Could you link to it please?

This one, maybe?
http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-24497/JennyAnn+Doomsday.htm
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Post by: Iris on January 15, 2013, 09:49:02 PM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?

There's a Buffy/Glee crossover fanfiction where authorities are called on the principal, the teachers are reported and the football team is beaten up by Faith and Buffy for all these reasons.

That sounds great! Could you link to it please?

This one, maybe?
http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-24497/JennyAnn+Doomsday.htm

Ha! Most enjoyable. Thanks :)
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Post by: Kaora on January 15, 2013, 11:49:57 PM
Come to think of it, "Baby, It's Cold Outside," is particularly... creepy.

"Say what's in this drink?"

http://lyrics.wikia.com/Gracenote:Frank_Loesser:Baby,_It%27s_Cold_Outside
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Post by: greencat on January 15, 2013, 11:55:40 PM
I'm reminded of this video that CollegeHumor did a few years ago lampooning one of the songs from Grease:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9eHdb2bR9g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9eHdb2bR9g)
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Post by: Asharah on January 16, 2013, 12:07:57 AM
How about the V.C. Andrews drinking game. Read through a book series of hers and take a drink every time a character does something they should go to jail for. See if you can actually get through one book without passing out.  ;D
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Post by: Iris on January 16, 2013, 12:15:10 AM
^ You two  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: girlysprite on January 16, 2013, 12:26:35 AM
For those who dislike how creepy Edward fro, twilight is, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwM3GvaTRM
It's a remix from Buffy and Twilight, with Buffy respomdimg to Edwards wooing like any sane woman would. It is hilarious!
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Post by: BB-VA on January 16, 2013, 05:24:19 AM
And as much as I love NCIS and the head slap, you know that wouldn't go over well in real life. 

Well, it didn't go over well in that Sexual Harassment seminar, did it? (Season 4, "Driven", I think?)

Neither did Jimmy's job (being around dead people all day).
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Post by: faithlessone on January 16, 2013, 06:12:32 AM
And as much as I love NCIS and the head slap, you know that wouldn't go over well in real life. 

Well, it didn't go over well in that Sexual Harassment seminar, did it? (Season 4, "Driven", I think?)

Neither did Jimmy's job (being around dead people all day).


Naked dead people!
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Post by: BabyMama on January 16, 2013, 07:20:43 AM
Come to think of it, "Baby, It's Cold Outside," is particularly... creepy.

"Say what's in this drink?"

http://lyrics.wikia.com/Gracenote:Frank_Loesser:Baby,_It%27s_Cold_Outside

YES. I really enjoyed Zooey Deschenel's band (She&Him)'s rendition of it--because in that one, the woman is the one trying to get the man to stay. For some reason that seems a lot less creepy to me.
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Post by: athersgeo on January 16, 2013, 07:40:03 AM
If we're going to get into songs, I nominate the following:

-Sting - Every Breath You Take
I think this one is so notorious I don't need to say any more - except to note that Sting appears to be as horrified as I am by the number of people who use this one as their first dance at their wedding!
-Whitney Houston - Saving All My Love
She's having an affair with a married man. This is romantic, how?
-Brother Beyond - The Harder I Try
Anyone who wants to "make you love me" ought to be told to take a long walk off a short pier
-Various people - Better The Devil You Know *
So it's better to be with a lying cheating scumbag than it is to be single? Thanks; I'll stick with microwave dinners for one!

And those are just the top four on my list of "Songs That Should Certainly Never Get Played At A Wedding Reception"


* I can think of two versions of this song and I don't think either of them are the originators!
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Post by: MariaE on January 16, 2013, 08:05:59 AM
On another note, Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander."  I know it's a period piece, but the part where Jamie does his "duty" and administers a proper beating to his wife soured me on the whole series.  It's been a while since I read it but I think the wife eventually even accepts that it's her fault for driving him to it.  NO.

Not quite. She accepted his reasoning for doing it, but while she accepted she'd done something wrong, she did not accept the beating as such and told him point blank that if he did it again, she'd castrate him.

That scene actually didn't bother me at all, precisely because of the way it was handled.
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Post by: atirial on January 16, 2013, 08:06:40 AM
Come to think of it, "Baby, It's Cold Outside," is particularly... creepy.

"Say what's in this drink?"

http://lyrics.wikia.com/Gracenote:Frank_Loesser:Baby,_It%27s_Cold_Outside
YES. I really enjoyed Zooey Deschenel's band (She&Him)'s rendition of it--because in that one, the woman is the one trying to get the man to stay. For some reason that seems a lot less creepy to me.
The first time I heard it, it was Miss Piggy and Rudolf Nureyev. The muppets were quite clear about the creep factor, especially when it involves a lady pig who wants a date...  (It's also hilarious);D

Another rather creepy song would be "Have some Madeira, M'Dear" - it's quite obvious why he's getting her drunk.
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Post by: Syfygeek on January 16, 2013, 08:13:25 AM
There were a lot of things in Glee which really bothered me.  I get that it's all exaggerated and a parody of high school (and being teased in high school), but the Glee kids put up with abuse every day that the administration should have prosecuted - and if the school wasn't willing to do anything about it, the kids should have been able to take charges to the police.  Slushie facials, getting thrown in the dumpsters, getting locked in port-a-potties, getting assaulted in the hallways - I guess what makes me mad is because these kinds of things *do* happen, and schools *do* turn a blind eye when the culprits are popular/important/well-connected enough.  I did eventually watch the first 2 seasons of Glee, but the very first episode I ever saw was the rape scene and it put me off the show for over a year.  I mentioned that to a friend and he didn't remember any rape scene, but it was a major plot point: Coach Sylvester drugs the principal and sets him up so she can take a picture of the two of them in bed together and threatens to send it to his wife.  You then see that she's still in her track suit, i.e. you assume nothing happened, but he doesn't know that.  All he knows is that he woke up after being drugged and found himself in bed with someone he doesn't like, who then photographs him against his will and blackmails him with it.  I know it's not what you'd normally think of as the kind of rape scene a show like this would include, but it just boils my blood that there's no repercussions for the characters whatsoever.  Heck,  the whole Quinn being pregnant thing stems from her sleeping with Puck "because I had a few too many wine coolers and because I was feeling fat that day."  How is that not date rape?

There's a Buffy/Glee crossover fanfiction where authorities are called on the principal, the teachers are reported and the football team is beaten up by Faith and Buffy for all these reasons.

That sounds great! Could you link to it please?

This one, maybe?
http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-24497/JennyAnn+Doomsday.htm

Ha! Most enjoyable. Thanks :)

That's it!  I had to re-read it again..
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Post by: PurpleFrog on January 16, 2013, 08:18:06 AM
For those who dislike how creepy Edward fro, twilight is, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwM3GvaTRM
It's a remix from Buffy and Twilight, with Buffy respomdimg to Edwards wooing like any sane woman would. It is hilarious!

Genius. Pure genius.
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Post by: rose red on January 16, 2013, 09:23:11 AM
If we're going to get into songs, I nominate the following:

-Sting - Every Breath You Take
I think this one is so notorious I don't need to say any more - except to note that Sting appears to be as horrified as I am by the number of people who use this one as their first dance at their wedding!

*snip*

I always laugh at that because how many times in life do you make vows?  Not many!  And yet the first song you dance to after a wedding says "every vow you break"
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Post by: Shalamar on January 16, 2013, 11:56:23 AM
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It's a remix from Buffy and Twilight

I remember that!  I think I'd pay good money to see Buffy beat the tar out of Edward. 
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Post by: sourwolf on January 16, 2013, 12:06:45 PM
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It's a remix from Buffy and Twilight

I remember that!  I think I'd pay good money to see Buffy beat the tar out of Edward.

This doesn't really have anything to do with the topic, but I've seen clips of interviews with Rob Pattinson (aka Edward) and I swear he hates Twilight as much as anyone - maybe even more.  It's kind of funny in a sad sort of way. http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/7-hints-robert-pattinson-hates-twilight  and http://robertpattinsonhatingtwilight.tumblr.com/ (NSFW, language)
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Post by: NyaChan on January 16, 2013, 12:06:53 PM
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It's a remix from Buffy and Twilight

I remember that!  I think I'd pay good money to see Buffy beat the tar out of Edward.

Very funny, nicely done :)
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Post by: Firecat on January 16, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
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It's a remix from Buffy and Twilight

I remember that!  I think I'd pay good money to see Buffy beat the tar out of Edward.

Very funny, nicely done :)

I'll have to watch that when I'm not at work. But I suspect I'll love it, because I already own (and proudly wear) the t-shirt that says "And then Buffy staked Edward. The End."

I've been known to refer to "Baby, It's Cold Outside" as "The Ode to Date Rape," and to "As Long As He Needs Me" as "The Ode to Codependency."
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Post by: amylouky on January 16, 2013, 12:24:31 PM
Oh, another one.. the kids' book "I love you forever".  I'll probably lose my mommy badge for saying that, but it's creepy! It starts out OK, with the mom singing the "I love you forever" song to her baby.. then as he grows.. but when it ends with her sneaking over to his house in the middle of the night, when he's a grown man, and climbing in his window to sing the song to him (while he's sleeping).. yeah, my Mom would be getting a mental inquest warrant, not just a restraining order.

(http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/creepy-childbook-1.jpg)
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Post by: KimberlyM on January 16, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
Oh, another one.. the kids' book "I love you forever".  I'll probably lose my mommy badge for saying that, but it's creepy! It starts out OK, with the mom singing the "I love you forever" song to her baby.. then as he grows.. but when it ends with her sneaking over to his house in the middle of the night, when he's a grown man, and climbing in his window to sing the song to him (while he's sleeping).. yeah, my Mom would be getting a mental inquest warrant, not just a restraining order.

(http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/creepy-childbook-1.jpg)

So happy to hear someone else say that!  My step dad bought that book for my 4 year old, creeped me out so bad the first time I read it.  I get the willies every time he asks me to read that to him! It's not sweet, it downright weird! 
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Post by: Jones on January 16, 2013, 01:33:14 PM
See, I always thought the son wasn't actually awake; he left his window unlatched and learned the song himself, as he sang it to his mother at the end.
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Post by: snowflake on January 16, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
See, I always thought the son wasn't actually awake; he left his window unlatched and learned the song himself, as he sang it to his mother at the end.

Whether he accepted this practice or not, I still find this book crazy and horribly creepy.  I was told that I would understand when I had a son.

Yep.  That book is still creepy.
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Post by: Snooks on January 16, 2013, 02:41:32 PM
Creepy song: You're Beautiful by James Blunt
She smiled at me on the subway.
She was with another man.
But I won't lose no sleep on that,
'Cause I've got a plan.

Really James? You've got a plan.  I mean at least he admits they're not going to be together but you've got to worry about what his plan might be for the random girl on the train.
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Post by: amylouky on January 16, 2013, 02:51:29 PM
See, I always thought the son wasn't actually awake; he left his window unlatched and learned the song himself, as he sang it to his mother at the end.

Whether he accepted this practice or not, I still find this book crazy and horribly creepy.  I was told that I would understand when I had a son.

Yep.  That book is still creepy.

He wasn't awake.. from the book (hope this is okay),

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That teenager grew. He grew and he grew and he grew. He grew until he was a grown-up man. He left home and got a house across town. But sometimes on dark nights the mother got into her car and drove across town.  If all the lights in her son's house were out, she opened his bedroom window, crawled across the floor, and looked up over the side of his bed. If that great big man was really asleep she picked him up and rocked him back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And while she rocked him she sang:

I'll love you forever,
I'll like you for always,
As long as I'm living
my baby you'll be.

Great. Now I'm going to have nightmares of my mom sneaking in my window and trying to pick me up while I'm sleeping.
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Post by: squeakers on January 16, 2013, 02:56:59 PM
Oh, another one.. the kids' book "I love you forever".  I'll probably lose my mommy badge for saying that, but it's creepy! It starts out OK, with the mom singing the "I love you forever" song to her baby.. then as he grows.. but when it ends with her sneaking over to his house in the middle of the night, when he's a grown man, and climbing in his window to sing the song to him (while he's sleeping).. yeah, my Mom would be getting a mental inquest warrant, not just a restraining order.



I used to read that to my oldest son when he was little.  It always made me cry because I am such a sappy hearted person.  Then I read it again when he turned 18 and we laughed at how creepy it really was.  He added some lines like "and then the son pulled out a shotgun from under the bed and blew his mom away because he thought she was a burglar."  Or "They were in the midst of "scrabble" and the DIL heard a noise.  She turned around to see her MIL with a creepy beatific smile on her face and a butcher's knife in her hand."
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Post by: yokozbornak on January 16, 2013, 03:13:33 PM
Oh, another one.. the kids' book "I love you forever".  I'll probably lose my mommy badge for saying that, but it's creepy! It starts out OK, with the mom singing the "I love you forever" song to her baby.. then as he grows.. but when it ends with her sneaking over to his house in the middle of the night, when he's a grown man, and climbing in his window to sing the song to him (while he's sleeping).. yeah, my Mom would be getting a mental inquest warrant, not just a restraining order.

(http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/creepy-childbook-1.jpg)

I actually always appreciated the absurdity.  I remember tearing up as I read the first few pages, and then laughing at the silliness of mom breaking in and rocking him to sleep.  The book goes from being so sentimental to so silly and far-fetched that it made me giggle.  And then I read the last page about him taking care of mom at the end, rocking her, and telling her he will love her forever, that his mommy she will always be, and I start crying like a baby.  Heck, I am tearing up just typing this.
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Post by: Snooks on January 16, 2013, 03:19:45 PM
Is that book the prequel to Psycho?
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Post by: violinp on January 16, 2013, 03:27:49 PM
Is that book the prequel to Psycho?

Heehee!
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Post by: Girlie on January 16, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
lol. I have that book! I remember even as a little girl thinking, "Well, no wonder he's not married..."
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Post by: Cz. Burrito on January 16, 2013, 03:43:08 PM
Anything on this list- http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/10/four-lies-movies-taught-us-about-dating/all/1/

I especially liked the bit about "Sure you're in a tree outside her bedroom window, but it's only so you can watch her sleep!"

Actually, pretty much every vampire "romantic gesture" I can think of creeps me out. I'm not sure it's because they're all extra creepy compared to non-supernatural idiocies, or if the added element of "Dead people are hot!" puts them over the top.

The worst example I can think of is from the sixth season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. The scene where Spike attacks Buffy in her bathroom and essentially tries to rape her. The writers apparently thought that would come off as more romantically desperate than, you know, rape-y. If I recall correctly, the woman running the show at that point said it was based on a moment in her own life when she tried to force herself onto a guy to keep him from leaving her. Putting aside the fact that it's an incredibly ill-advised and despicable thing for a woman to do to a man, there's also the fact that it's especially creepy if you turn it around and make it a man doing it to a woman. Like it or not, our culture treats male on female violence differently than it treats female on male violence, and to throw a sexual element in on top of that? And still somehow think your audience will be okay with it? Not very bright.

Of course, there were some people who saw it as oh so romantic, as intended. That just goes to show you the usual sort of things this sort of situation goes to show you.

Really? That was supposed to be romantic? I always thought that it was meant to showcase that no matter how he felt about Buffy, Spike was still a revolting monster at heart. And further that when he realised that it was what inspired him to go get his soul back (so that he wouldn't be a revolting monster anymore and Buffy wouldn't be entirely justified in hating his guts). Admittedly I tend to rewatch the earlier seasons so I haven't seen it for ages, but that's my recollection.

It was a *brilliant* scene when I interpreted it my way. But romantic? No way on earth. (Also a woman trying to force herself onto a man to prevent him from leaving is revolting. I hate that some writer has tried to justify her moment of criminal assault by trying to fool the rest of us).

Your interpretation is the one the writers intended.  The rape scene was meant to be horrifying.  It was NOT meant to be romantic.  It was intended to show both what Spike was still capable of, despite believing that he loved Buffy, and that their relationship was highly dysfunctional and damaging to Buffy.  From that point on, both Spike and Buffy grew as people.  According to the writers, they wanted something that was so awful that it would drive Spike to do what he did next (seek out a soul).  And to that end, they were successful.   Joss Whedon has said in interviews that doing the bathroom rape scene meant that they had to be very cautious with the characters' relationship from then on.  The attempted rape is the reason that you never seen Spike and Buffy scrabbling in the 7th season, because Joss didn't want to give the impression that rape is something you just get over.  I thought it was handled very delicately.

As to the writer's history, she drew from her own experiences which she realized long ago were VERY, VERY wrong.  She was not justifying what she did.  Not even remotely.  That scene in Buffy was intended to be as disgusting and horrifying as it was.
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Post by: rose red on January 16, 2013, 03:47:58 PM
Is that book the prequel to Psycho?

Heehee!

lol. I have that book! I remember even as a little girl thinking, "Well, no wonder he's not married..."

Eek.  I've never read that book, but the comments reminds me of a short story I read.  A little son was upset his mother went on a date and threw fits.  He made her promise never to date and leave him.  She kept that promise and kept reminding him of it when he was old enough to go on dates himself.  One day he killed her so he can have a life of his own.  But a mother always keep her promises...
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Post by: audhs on January 16, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Oh, another one.. the kids' book "I love you forever".  I'll probably lose my mommy badge for saying that, but it's creepy! It starts out OK, with the mom singing the "I love you forever" song to her baby.. then as he grows.. but when it ends with her sneaking over to his house in the middle of the night, when he's a grown man, and climbing in his window to sing the song to him (while he's sleeping).. yeah, my Mom would be getting a mental inquest warrant, not just a restraining order.


I'm glad I'm not the only one.  Everyone I knew talked about how it made them cry and I just couldn't see it.    This is one book I've never read to my kids
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Post by: hermanne on January 16, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
lol. I have that book! I remember even as a little girl thinking, "Well, no wonder he's not married..."

He does have a baby of his own at the end. He sings the song to her.
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Post by: A.P. Wulfric on January 16, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
As much as I love it, the First Wives Club needs to be nominated.  Breaking and Entering, Kidnapping, Extortion, etc. 
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Post by: Jules1980 on January 16, 2013, 06:51:10 PM
Was anyone else amused when watching "50 First Dates", when Adam Sandler did the same approach on different days and the first time, it worked but the next time, she beat him up?


Regarding Beauty and the Beast, I preferred it to other princess movies because Belle stood up to the beast, yelled back at him and followed her own mind. None of the "I'll do whatever you tell me" of Little Mermaid and pre-destined-can't-fight-it love of Sleeping Beauty. My mom didn't like the movie because she considered Belle a "brat" for rejecting her town and people, so as with all children's stories and their meanings, YMMV.

Beauty and the Beast is one of the few disney princesses I'd be okay with my daughter emulating.  She reads no matter how strange the town thinks she is, she refuses to allow Gaston to bully her into marriage, she doesn't hesitate to run to rescue her father, she stands up to the Beast when he's a jerk and then defends him when the townspeople come to kill him.  Her and Mulan, they are the good ones.

Don't forget, Princess Leia is now a Disney princess too  ;D

We also have Merida now.  So, she accidentally turns her mother into a bear but she learns that her mother was not a subserviant as she thought.  She competes and 'wins' her own hand in marriage and then gets together with her 3 potential 'grooms' who don't want to marry either and together they convince their fathers to change the laws so they can marry whomever they want.  Oh, and she can shoot a bow and arrow.  She's cool.  I like BabyJ imitating her.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Kaora on January 16, 2013, 07:00:03 PM
If we're going to get into songs, I nominate the following:

-Sting - Every Breath You Take
I think this one is so notorious I don't need to say any more - except to note that Sting appears to be as horrified as I am by the number of people who use this one as their first dance at their wedding!
-Whitney Houston - Saving All My Love
She's having an affair with a married man. This is romantic, how?
-Brother Beyond - The Harder I Try
Anyone who wants to "make you love me" ought to be told to take a long walk off a short pier
-Various people - Better The Devil You Know *
So it's better to be with a lying cheating scumbag than it is to be single? Thanks; I'll stick with microwave dinners for one!

And those are just the top four on my list of "Songs That Should Certainly Never Get Played At A Wedding Reception"


* I can think of two versions of this song and I don't think either of them are the originators!

If I remember, the eHell blog covered unfortunate songs used at weddings a time ago.  It included such classics as "Send In The Clowns," and "The Lady Is a Tramp."  Classy, though a little o/t.

The book posts remind me of a short story I'd really like to find again.  Maybe I'll post it on TVTropes You Know That Show.  Kind of creepy, but awesome, about a girl who came and visited a family about everyday, I think?  All I remember is that she was kind, helpful, and grew sicker looking by the day, and the people she befriended were concerned over her and her never eat salt rule.  So they gave her a huge meal of salted ham and she took a zombie like walk back to her house, behind her house, and laid back in her grave and went to sleep!  Her mother chastised the people because you never feed salt to the dead... :-X

Also one where a guy bought a dresser or a fancy desk of some sort secondhand, and found a pigeon hole in it.  He uncovered a letter written by a girl who owned the dresser formerly, a longing for someone to love.  He, for the fun of it, wrote a response letter and put it back in.  The next time he looked, he received a response back from the girl, and it culminates into him putting some item in it (a scarf?) and he goes to look up a cemetery with her name.  His personal item (scarf?) is found on the grave, with some sappy quote engraved to him.

((These were in a Middle School English book, btw.  I quite liked the weirdness of it.))

Back O/T:

I never did like The Notebook.  Really.  I'm usually willing to suspend my belief in sane rules and logic and hinky meters for the sake of a hokey Rom-Com every once in a while (You've Got Mail and Made of Honor, notably), but even I couldn't watch that one.

I do appreciate 50 First Dates, in a sappy kind of way...
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 16, 2013, 07:35:19 PM
I really like Merida, partly cause she's one of the few tomboy princesses in the Disney lineup.  And forgive my ignorance of Scottish history but would she really have been a princess? I got the impression that her parents were just the leaders of their clan and Disney used the "princess" title out of convenience.  That and she's Scottish and I have a soft spot for all things Celtic. Especially since there's a song sung in Irish Gaelic. :)
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Post by: MinAvi on January 16, 2013, 08:00:26 PM

On another note, Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander."  I know it's a period piece, but the part where Jamie does his "duty" and administers a proper beating to his wife soured me on the whole series.  It's been a while since I read it but I think the wife eventually even accepts that it's her fault for driving him to it.  NO.

I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but had to respond to this.

I thought that Jamie explained very well why he 'disciplined' Claire. it wasn't so much that he wanted too or that it was a duty, but that it was expected by his men, and made them realise she had been punished and they did not need to continue ostracizing her.

And she never forgave him. There is a scene in a much later book (set 20 or so years later) that she gets really mad at him for reminding her about it, gives him a piece of her mind, and storms off. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by: magician5 on January 16, 2013, 08:41:30 PM
Oh, another one.. the kids' book "I love you forever".  I'll probably lose my mommy badge for saying that, but it's creepy! It starts out OK, with the mom singing the "I love you forever" song to her baby.. then as he grows.. but when it ends with her sneaking over to his house in the middle of the night, when he's a grown man, and climbing in his window to sing the song to him (while he's sleeping).. yeah, my Mom would be getting a mental inquest warrant, not just a restraining order.


I'm glad I'm not the only one.  Everyone I knew talked about how it made them cry and I just couldn't see it.    This is one book I've never read to my kids

So many literal people!

My sons are 21 and 25, and I want to take care of them and ease their hurts now just as much as I did when they were 3 and 6. Of course I know I can't, and even if I could I mustn't ... they'd never grow unless I learned to let them go ... but I still want to. They have my heartstrings in their hand, and always will.

THAT'S what the book is about, isn't it?
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Post by: Tashigi on January 16, 2013, 11:11:41 PM
oh and another one -matilda. didn't properly secure her in the car on the way home from the hospital. the parents left her at home alone all day long from age zero. they didn't send her to school when they were supposed to. didn't remember her age. father was busy scamming people all day long. and they gave her up for adoption without blinking. great home for a child to grow up in...

I was going to mention that one! :) My daughter loves it for the "magic" Matilda can do, while I'm emphasizing the magic of the librarian telling Matilda about library cards.

Well Roald Dahl was never one for dealing in shades of grey. All of his bad characters are unrelentingly bad in everything they do, and usually ugly to boot. Yet I have yet to meet a child that doesn't love love love his books. then again, I remember my kindergarten teacher as being the most beautiful woman anywhere, ever, yet looking at old class photos she was really quite plain. So perhaps he just has a really good grip on how kid's minds work.

He actually had a rather interesting and relevant passage about beauty/ugliness in his novella The Twits:

Quote
If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it.

A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Allyson on January 16, 2013, 11:22:38 PM
I love romances and romance novels, and it's frustrating for me because the common fantasy is one that really makes me mad! Namely the 'guy knows better than girl that she wants him, so it's OK for him to do any old thing to her so long as he's right'. Because if he were *wrong* he would be the villain, but since he's correct in that she's attracted to him, it's suddenly fine...? I recently read one by an author supposed to be funny (Julia Quinn). In it, the lovers are separated as teenagers, both thinking the other betrayed them (families didn't want them together). They meet again as adults and he is bent on revenge, which he seems to go about by 'compromising' her at every opportunity. Eventually she loses her position and he finds out she didn't actually betray her. He finds her again later, and decides that she will be his wife even though she doesn't want him. He ends up kidnapping her 'for her own good' (she's living in a bad part of town) and taking him to an isolated cabin. He also keeps getting angry at her for not immediately falling into his arms and doing what he thinks is best. While his 'revenge' scheme is shown by the text to be wrong, the stalking and kidnapping never is.

Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Asharah on January 16, 2013, 11:33:03 PM
Ever seen the Twilight Zone 2002 episode "Evergreen"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29 Everyone in that gated community belonged in jail.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Slartibartfast on January 17, 2013, 01:39:51 AM
I love romances and romance novels, and it's frustrating for me because the common fantasy is one that really makes me mad! Namely the 'guy knows better than girl that she wants him, so it's OK for him to do any old thing to her so long as he's right'. Because if he were *wrong* he would be the villain, but since he's correct in that she's attracted to him, it's suddenly fine...? I recently read one by an author supposed to be funny (Julia Quinn). In it, the lovers are separated as teenagers, both thinking the other betrayed them (families didn't want them together). They meet again as adults and he is bent on revenge, which he seems to go about by 'compromising' her at every opportunity. Eventually she loses her position and he finds out she didn't actually betray her. He finds her again later, and decides that she will be his wife even though she doesn't want him. He ends up kidnapping her 'for her own good' (she's living in a bad part of town) and taking him to an isolated cabin. He also keeps getting angry at her for not immediately falling into his arms and doing what he thinks is best. While his 'revenge' scheme is shown by the text to be wrong, the stalking and kidnapping never is.

To be fair, this is changing.  Romance novels from the 70's and 80's were often called "bodice-rippers" for good reason - rape was considered a valid plot point and a perfectly dandy means of ratcheting up the sexual tension.  There are certainly plenty of modern romances in which the hero is a complete boor to the heroine - including situations like "this would totally be skeevy if they didn't have a magical paranormal attraction to each other" - but there are an increasing number which aren't like that.  I read a lot of historical romance, and I'm writing one myself - and I've fallen into the habit of reading my favorite authors whom I can now trust not to do that!  It's entirely possible to write an authentic 1815ish hero who is an arrogant jerk (because they kind of all were and hey, he needs room for character growth) but who nonetheless is ready to stop on a dime if the heroine shows the first sign of wanting him to.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Iris on January 17, 2013, 03:02:21 AM
Anything on this list- http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/10/four-lies-movies-taught-us-about-dating/all/1/

I especially liked the bit about "Sure you're in a tree outside her bedroom window, but it's only so you can watch her sleep!"

Actually, pretty much every vampire "romantic gesture" I can think of creeps me out. I'm not sure it's because they're all extra creepy compared to non-supernatural idiocies, or if the added element of "Dead people are hot!" puts them over the top.

The worst example I can think of is from the sixth season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. The scene where Spike attacks Buffy in her bathroom and essentially tries to rape her. The writers apparently thought that would come off as more romantically desperate than, you know, rape-y. If I recall correctly, the woman running the show at that point said it was based on a moment in her own life when she tried to force herself onto a guy to keep him from leaving her. Putting aside the fact that it's an incredibly ill-advised and despicable thing for a woman to do to a man, there's also the fact that it's especially creepy if you turn it around and make it a man doing it to a woman. Like it or not, our culture treats male on female violence differently than it treats female on male violence, and to throw a sexual element in on top of that? And still somehow think your audience will be okay with it? Not very bright.

Of course, there were some people who saw it as oh so romantic, as intended. That just goes to show you the usual sort of things this sort of situation goes to show you.

Really? That was supposed to be romantic? I always thought that it was meant to showcase that no matter how he felt about Buffy, Spike was still a revolting monster at heart. And further that when he realised that it was what inspired him to go get his soul back (so that he wouldn't be a revolting monster anymore and Buffy wouldn't be entirely justified in hating his guts). Admittedly I tend to rewatch the earlier seasons so I haven't seen it for ages, but that's my recollection.

It was a *brilliant* scene when I interpreted it my way. But romantic? No way on earth. (Also a woman trying to force herself onto a man to prevent him from leaving is revolting. I hate that some writer has tried to justify her moment of criminal assault by trying to fool the rest of us).

Your interpretation is the one the writers intended.  The rape scene was meant to be horrifying.  It was NOT meant to be romantic.  It was intended to show both what Spike was still capable of, despite believing that he loved Buffy, and that their relationship was highly dysfunctional and damaging to Buffy.  From that point on, both Spike and Buffy grew as people.  According to the writers, they wanted something that was so awful that it would drive Spike to do what he did next (seek out a soul).  And to that end, they were successful.   Joss Whedon has said in interviews that doing the bathroom rape scene meant that they had to be very cautious with the characters' relationship from then on.  The attempted rape is the reason that you never seen Spike and Buffy scrabbling in the 7th season, because Joss didn't want to give the impression that rape is something you just get over.  I thought it was handled very delicately.

As to the writer's history, she drew from her own experiences which she realized long ago were VERY, VERY wrong.  She was not justifying what she did.  Not even remotely.  That scene in Buffy was intended to be as disgusting and horrifying as it was.

Phew. 1/m so relieved. Thanks for restoring my faith in all things Joss :)
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Post by: Amava on January 17, 2013, 03:06:46 AM
Ever seen the Twilight Zone 2002 episode "Evergreen"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29 Everyone in that gated community belonged in jail.

Haven't seen it, but I read the link... Holy heck, that /is/ scary!
Then again, it's the Twilight Zone. It's intended to be freaky.

There was an X-files episode about a gated community too, which was creepy as well. Does anyone remember what that episode was called, or what season it was?
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Post by: RingTailedLemur on January 17, 2013, 03:09:53 AM
Ever seen the Twilight Zone 2002 episode "Evergreen"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29 Everyone in that gated community belonged in jail.

Haven't seen it, but I read the link... Holy heck, that /is/ scary!
Then again, it's the Twilight Zone. It's intended to be freaky.

There was an X-files episode about a gated community too, which was creepy as well. Does anyone remember what that episode was called, or what season it was?

"Arcadia" - season 6, episode 15.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Amava on January 17, 2013, 03:22:55 AM
Ever seen the Twilight Zone 2002 episode "Evergreen"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29 Everyone in that gated community belonged in jail.

Haven't seen it, but I read the link... Holy heck, that /is/ scary!
Then again, it's the Twilight Zone. It's intended to be freaky.

There was an X-files episode about a gated community too, which was creepy as well. Does anyone remember what that episode was called, or what season it was?

"Arcadia" - season 6, episode 15.

Whoa, thanks! That was fast! :D
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: RingTailedLemur on January 17, 2013, 03:37:16 AM
Ever seen the Twilight Zone 2002 episode "Evergreen"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29 Everyone in that gated community belonged in jail.

Haven't seen it, but I read the link... Holy heck, that /is/ scary!
Then again, it's the Twilight Zone. It's intended to be freaky.

There was an X-files episode about a gated community too, which was creepy as well. Does anyone remember what that episode was called, or what season it was?

"Arcadia" - season 6, episode 15.

Whoa, thanks! That was fast! :D

I have the Google-fu :D
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Post by: PurpleFrog on January 17, 2013, 03:44:42 AM
Is it coincidence that they both use the name Arcadia? I also remember a series of teen horror book (I think they were published under the 'nightmares' umbrella) set in the Arcadia Inn. Is there some massive reference I'm missing?
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Post by: RingTailedLemur on January 17, 2013, 03:48:28 AM
Is it coincidence that they both use the name Arcadia? I also remember a series of teen horror book (I think they were published under the 'nightmares' umbrella) set in the Arcadia Inn. Is there some massive reference I'm missing?

Maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadia_(utopia) ?
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Post by: faithlessone on January 17, 2013, 04:37:31 AM
Also one where a guy bought a dresser or a fancy desk of some sort secondhand, and found a pigeon hole in it.  He uncovered a letter written by a girl who owned the dresser formerly, a longing for someone to love.  He, for the fun of it, wrote a response letter and put it back in.  The next time he looked, he received a response back from the girl, and it culminates into him putting some item in it (a scarf?) and he goes to look up a cemetery with her name.  His personal item (scarf?) is found on the grave, with some sappy quote engraved to him.

I know that one!!! It's "The Love Letter", by Jack Finney. (You can read it online here: http://richters-time.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/love-letter-by-jack-finney.html )

It was adapted into a tv-movie in 1998 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140340/ - which I completely love. (One of the very few rom-coms I actually like!)
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Post by: Weez on January 17, 2013, 04:40:15 AM
I really like Merida, partly cause she's one of the few tomboy princesses in the Disney lineup.  And forgive my ignorance of Scottish history but would she really have been a princess? I got the impression that her parents were just the leaders of their clan and Disney used the "princess" title out of convenience.  That and she's Scottish and I have a soft spot for all things Celtic. Especially since there's a song sung in Irish Gaelic. :)

I have to confess that I haven't seen Brave yet, but I think you'd be right; her father would have been the Clan Chief but she wouldn't have been a princess.

Regarding the Gaelic, I do know that the song is in Scots Gaelic, not Irish Gaelic: there was a lot of media coverage here (I'm in Scotland and grew up in the Highlands). They're related languages, but not the same: Irish 'Gae rhymes with may' vs Scottish 'Gae rhymes with ma'.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 17, 2013, 07:12:16 AM
I really like Merida, partly cause she's one of the few tomboy princesses in the Disney lineup.  And forgive my ignorance of Scottish history but would she really have been a princess? I got the impression that her parents were just the leaders of their clan and Disney used the "princess" title out of convenience.  That and she's Scottish and I have a soft spot for all things Celtic. Especially since there's a song sung in Irish Gaelic. :)

I have to confess that I haven't seen Brave yet, but I think you'd be right; her father would have been the Clan Chief but she wouldn't have been a princess.

Regarding the Gaelic, I do know that the song is in Scots Gaelic, not Irish Gaelic: there was a lot of media coverage here (I'm in Scotland and grew up in the Highlands). They're related languages, but not the same: Irish 'Gae rhymes with may' vs Scottish 'Gae rhymes with ma'.

Oops! That was a typo, as I knew it was Scots Gaelic but for some reason typed Irish Gaelic.  I didn't know that though about the difference in pronunciation of "gaelic" as I knew the Irish pronunciation but not the Scottish. 

But that's what I thought regarding the princess issue. 
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Weez on January 17, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
I think Scots Gaelic developed from the Irish, so they changed a few pronunciations along the way. Kind of like UK and US English perhaps? Or maybe us Scots are just awkward people who do things just to be stubborn  >:D :D Kind of like Merida herself?!

Getting back to the original thread and I have major problems with Disney's Snow White and the 7 Dwarves. Almost every scene is problematic: Stepmother hires man to kill Snow White; he lets her go but kills a deer just to extract the heart; she breaks into the Dwarves' house, rearranges it for them and they thank her; Stepmother tries to kill Snow White again; Stepmother is basically forced, by the dwarves, to jump off a cliff to her death; Snow White is saved by a complete stranger who insists on kissing her comatose body and the dwarves are happy for him to do this?!

Sorry, maybe I've been overthinking this one!
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 17, 2013, 08:30:41 AM
I think Scots Gaelic developed from the Irish, so they changed a few pronunciations along the way. Kind of like UK and US English perhaps? Or maybe us Scots are just awkward people who do things just to be stubborn  >:D :D Kind of like Merida herself?!

DH is 1/4 Irish and 1/4 Scottish, and I'm 1/2 Irish so between us we've got a good bit of hardheadedness going for us.  We jokingly argue about who the kids got their headstrong ways from and in all truth it's both of us but it's fun to prove our stubborn natures by saying "he got it from you!" "No you're more stubborn! No you are!"  >:D

I thought of a song last night that made me laugh as I thought of this thread.  "The Sweater" In which it tells of a teen girl who has just pulled over her head the sweater belonging to a boy.  The song's very tongue in cheek but this part really kind of made me think of the thread.

Girls, I know you will understand this and feel the intrinsic incredible emotion
 You have just pulled over your head the worn, warm sweater belonging to a boy
 Now, you haven't had a passionate kissing session or anything,
 but you got to go on a camping trip with him and eight other people from school
 And you practically slept together, your sleeping bag right next to his
 And you woke in the night to watch him as he slept
but you couldn't see anything 'cause it was dark
 so you just laid there and listened to his breathing and wondered if your heart might burst

 The sweater has that faintly goat-like smell which all teenage boys possess,
and that smell will lovingly transfer to all your other clothes
 If you get to keep it for a few days you can sleep with it
 but don't let your mom see, 'cause she'll say,
 "what is that filthy thing, and who does it belong to besides the trash man?"
 So you have to keep it under the covers with you
 You can kind of lie it beside you,
or wrap it around your waist,
or touch it on your legs,
 or whatever That's your business

Then later in the song the girl finds out the boy didn't mean to give it to her and he's been looking for it all weekend and wants it back. 

But not before she sees the label. 100% acrylic.
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Post by: darling on January 17, 2013, 08:34:35 AM
I really like Merida, partly cause she's one of the few tomboy princesses in the Disney lineup.  And forgive my ignorance of Scottish history but would she really have been a princess? I got the impression that her parents were just the leaders of their clan and Disney used the "princess" title out of convenience.  That and she's Scottish and I have a soft spot for all things Celtic. Especially since there's a song sung in Irish Gaelic. :)

I have to confess that I haven't seen Brave yet, but I think you'd be right; her father would have been the Clan Chief but she wouldn't have been a princess.

Regarding the Gaelic, I do know that the song is in Scots Gaelic, not Irish Gaelic: there was a lot of media coverage here (I'm in Scotland and grew up in the Highlands). They're related languages, but not the same: Irish 'Gae rhymes with may' vs Scottish 'Gae rhymes with ma'.

Actually, it is explained in the movie that her father was named King of the four clans, so she is a princess. It's emphasized quite a lot in the movie, because Merida hates all of the things a princess is supposed to do and be. "A princess does not..." "A princess is...". I love that movie!!!!! :)
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Post by: greencat on January 17, 2013, 10:11:59 AM
Not to mention, Brave is set in a fantasy world strongly based on Scotland but not actually Scotland.

I personally had an issue with the "costuming" in Brave - the ladies' gowns were based off 14th century styles, the fur cloaks the men were wearing were pre-Norman-conquest, and the tartan kilts the men were wearing were 16th century or later only, both in fabric and in style.  Having distinct clan patterns came from no earlier than the 19th century. 

//nerd complaints. 
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Post by: Allyson on January 17, 2013, 11:08:18 AM

To be fair, this is changing.  Romance novels from the 70's and 80's were often called "bodice-rippers" for good reason - rape was considered a valid plot point and a perfectly dandy means of ratcheting up the sexual tension.  There are certainly plenty of modern romances in which the hero is a complete boor to the heroine - including situations like "this would totally be skeevy if they didn't have a magical paranormal attraction to each other" - but there are an increasing number which aren't like that.  I read a lot of historical romance, and I'm writing one myself - and I've fallen into the habit of reading my favorite authors whom I can now trust not to do that!  It's entirely possible to write an authentic 1815ish hero who is an arrogant jerk (because they kind of all were and hey, he needs room for character growth) but who nonetheless is ready to stop on a dime if the heroine shows the first sign of wanting him to.

Yes! It's definitely getting better. The authors I read on a regular basis don't do that, and usually I can trust this author not to--which is why her hero's behaviour so took me by surprise! Though some of her other male leads have hints of 'I am attracted to you, so I am going to be super possessive of you while also angry with you for 'making' me feel this way!' (Though they never go as far as the 80's style.) I also know that the 'super dominant alpha' hero is a major, if not a requirement, for a lot of romance readers. So, I don't think these books are going anywhere, though they have moved a lot of them to paranormal genres.

I'd love to know your favourite historical romance authors if you don't mind! I am always looking for new books with non-jerk heroes. I'm a huge fan of love stories with happy endings, just could live without some of the weird dynamics.
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Post by: Winterlight on January 17, 2013, 11:15:07 AM
If we're going to get into songs, I nominate the following:

-Sting - Every Breath You Take
I think this one is so notorious I don't need to say any more - except to note that Sting appears to be as horrified as I am by the number of people who use this one as their first dance at their wedding!
-Whitney Houston - Saving All My Love
She's having an affair with a married man. This is romantic, how?
-Brother Beyond - The Harder I Try
Anyone who wants to "make you love me" ought to be told to take a long walk off a short pier
-Various people - Better The Devil You Know *
So it's better to be with a lying cheating scumbag than it is to be single? Thanks; I'll stick with microwave dinners for one!

And those are just the top four on my list of "Songs That Should Certainly Never Get Played At A Wedding Reception"


* I can think of two versions of this song and I don't think either of them are the originators!

If I remember, the eHell blog covered unfortunate songs used at weddings a time ago.  It included such classics as "Send In The Clowns," and "The Lady Is a Tramp."  Classy, though a little o/t.

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=62215.0

This thread?

Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: CakeBeret on January 17, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
Close. Here's my favorite summary- NSFW language. 
http://foreveryoungadult.com/2011/06/10/a-review-of-the-worst-book-in-history/

That was horrifying. But I love her writing style and imagery. "Her dad makes her sit in this dumb*** rocking chair that belonged to the First and Best Audrina so that she (the Second and Worst and Dumbest Audrina) can capture the First and Best Audrina's "gift," which, sadly, is neither syphillis nor Parcheesi."
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: snowflake on January 17, 2013, 01:52:00 PM
As much as I love it, the First Wives Club needs to be nominated.  Breaking and Entering, Kidnapping, Extortion, etc.

I nominate that and all the copy cat books since.

I love the story line of having the wake-up call that you have fallen into a rut and need to take drastic measures so your life doesn't suck.  I feel like I have resembled that plot over and over.  But I am really uncomfortable when:

1) The whole "I realized my life stinks" story line is driven by a relationship ending.  Because life is good as long as your man loves you?  It's hard for me to swallow that a fun, likable, strong woman wouldn't notice that her life was going down the drain before it hits the point of no return.  Most of the time these books involve the woman thinking, "Oh yeah, I was a slave, drudge and martyr and liked it as long as he was there."  Annoying.

2) Lots of the blame gets put on the younger model.  I'm not condoning running around with a married man.  But there are often strong implications that if a man leaves for another woman, the other woman is a skank, a ho, a tramp, stupid, unbalanced and sub-human.  Junior high anyone?  I read a book (which I cannot now remember the title or author) where the heroine was trying to rebuild her life after being dumped and one of the running "jokes" was that the other woman was fatter than she was.  So the whole book it was "Tee, hee, what does he think he's getting out of it when she's fatter?"  Um, maybe that she's not shallow?  Meow!

3) And of course there is always petty revenge that involves vandalism, trespassing, etc. Because in life there are winners and losers and if you aren't willing to be a worse person than your ex, you are going to lose!

I used to read lots in this genre of chick-lit because I felt like it mirrored my life.  (Huge wake-up calls hitting me over the head, have to take charge of life, etc.)  I ended up yelling at every single one, "He left you because you are petty, mean and unprincipled!" 

Yeah, IRL, I'd expect many of these cute, zany heroines to end up in jail.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Kaora on January 17, 2013, 02:19:35 PM
Also one where a guy bought a dresser or a fancy desk of some sort secondhand, and found a pigeon hole in it.  He uncovered a letter written by a girl who owned the dresser formerly, a longing for someone to love.  He, for the fun of it, wrote a response letter and put it back in.  The next time he looked, he received a response back from the girl, and it culminates into him putting some item in it (a scarf?) and he goes to look up a cemetery with her name.  His personal item (scarf?) is found on the grave, with some sappy quote engraved to him.

I know that one!!! It's "The Love Letter", by Jack Finney. (You can read it online here: http://richters-time.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/love-letter-by-jack-finney.html )

It was adapted into a tv-movie in 1998 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140340/ - which I completely love. (One of the very few rom-coms I actually like!)

That one!  Yes! :D I love the short story, but its been so long since I've heard of it, I just remembered reading it out of my English book at this point. :) Thanks for the link, reading now.

If we're going to get into songs, I nominate the following:
**snip**

If I remember, the eHell blog covered unfortunate songs used at weddings a time ago.  It included such classics as "Send In The Clowns," and "The Lady Is a Tramp."  Classy, though a little o/t.

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=62215.0

This thread?

Yep! :)
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: yokozbornak on January 17, 2013, 03:40:01 PM
I think Scots Gaelic developed from the Irish, so they changed a few pronunciations along the way. Kind of like UK and US English perhaps? Or maybe us Scots are just awkward people who do things just to be stubborn  >:D :D Kind of like Merida herself?!

DH is 1/4 Irish and 1/4 Scottish, and I'm 1/2 Irish so between us we've got a good bit of hardheadedness going for us.  We jokingly argue about who the kids got their headstrong ways from and in all truth it's both of us but it's fun to prove our stubborn natures by saying "he got it from you!" "No you're more stubborn! No you are!"  >:D

I thought of a song last night that made me laugh as I thought of this thread.  "The Sweater" In which it tells of a teen girl who has just pulled over her head the sweater belonging to a boy.  The song's very tongue in cheek but this part really kind of made me think of the thread.

Girls, I know you will understand this and feel the intrinsic incredible emotion
 You have just pulled over your head the worn, warm sweater belonging to a boy
 Now, you haven't had a passionate kissing session or anything,
 but you got to go on a camping trip with him and eight other people from school
 And you practically slept together, your sleeping bag right next to his
 And you woke in the night to watch him as he slept
but you couldn't see anything 'cause it was dark
 so you just laid there and listened to his breathing and wondered if your heart might burst

 The sweater has that faintly goat-like smell which all teenage boys possess,
and that smell will lovingly transfer to all your other clothes
 If you get to keep it for a few days you can sleep with it
 but don't let your mom see, 'cause she'll say,
 "what is that filthy thing, and who does it belong to besides the trash man?"
 So you have to keep it under the covers with you
 You can kind of lie it beside you,
or wrap it around your waist,
or touch it on your legs,
 or whatever That's your business

Then later in the song the girl finds out the boy didn't mean to give it to her and he's been looking for it all weekend and wants it back. 

But not before she sees the label. 100% acrylic.

Thank you for posting this!  I thought I was the only person in the world who had heard this song because no one knows what I'm talking about when I mention it.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: guihong on January 17, 2013, 04:22:51 PM
Bones.  Hodgkin's father-in-law (Angela's father) kidnaps him and tattoos him at least twice.  How is that not assault?  Never mind that he takes it on himself to name their child, and Angela is going along with that?

Not only would I not marry his daughter (who can't remember her first husband's name?), but the FIL would be behind bars.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: asb8 on January 17, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
Yeah, but the FIL is Billy Gibbons!

Who in their right mind would be willing to lock up Billy Gibbons?  :)
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Tashigi on January 17, 2013, 11:11:28 PM
Bones.  Hodgkin's father-in-law (Angela's father) kidnaps him and tattoos him at least twice.  How is that not assault?  Never mind that he takes it on himself to name their child, and Angela is going along with that?

Not only would I not marry his daughter (who can't remember her first husband's name?), but the FIL would be behind bars.

If my dad had pulled even one of the things Robert De Niro's character had pulled in Meet the Parents... I would never talked to him again. Polygraph testing, breaking into his luggage?! Never mind my SO pressing charges - I think I'd make sure he was behind bars myself!

Then there's a throwaway line in the sequel recalling that the father had injected his daughter's prom date with sodium pentothal. Why does Pam have anything to do with her father again?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: PeterM on January 18, 2013, 12:07:03 AM
Yeah, but the FIL is Billy Gibbons!

Who in their right mind would be willing to lock up Billy Gibbons?  :)

Exactly. If Hodgins had tried to press charges for kidnapping and assault, the judge would've been legally required to give Hodgins a noogie on live TV. It's in the Constitution, an amendment. Somewhere in the teens, I think.

Besides, Hodgins didn't seem to mind the first tattoo, at least. That's the kind of story a man doesn't mind telling. And I loved the scene where Angela found out about it.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: MizA on January 18, 2013, 02:04:59 AM
I think Scots Gaelic developed from the Irish, so they changed a few pronunciations along the way. Kind of like UK and US English perhaps? Or maybe us Scots are just awkward people who do things just to be stubborn  >:D :D Kind of like Merida herself?!

DH is 1/4 Irish and 1/4 Scottish, and I'm 1/2 Irish so between us we've got a good bit of hardheadedness going for us.  We jokingly argue about who the kids got their headstrong ways from and in all truth it's both of us but it's fun to prove our stubborn natures by saying "he got it from you!" "No you're more stubborn! No you are!"  >:D

I thought of a song last night that made me laugh as I thought of this thread.  "The Sweater" In which it tells of a teen girl who has just pulled over her head the sweater belonging to a boy.  The song's very tongue in cheek but this part really kind of made me think of the thread.

Girls, I know you will understand this and feel the intrinsic incredible emotion
 You have just pulled over your head the worn, warm sweater belonging to a boy
 Now, you haven't had a passionate kissing session or anything,
 but you got to go on a camping trip with him and eight other people from school
 And you practically slept together, your sleeping bag right next to his
 And you woke in the night to watch him as he slept
but you couldn't see anything 'cause it was dark
 so you just laid there and listened to his breathing and wondered if your heart might burst

 The sweater has that faintly goat-like smell which all teenage boys possess,
and that smell will lovingly transfer to all your other clothes
 If you get to keep it for a few days you can sleep with it
 but don't let your mom see, 'cause she'll say,
 "what is that filthy thing, and who does it belong to besides the trash man?"
 So you have to keep it under the covers with you
 You can kind of lie it beside you,
or wrap it around your waist,
or touch it on your legs,
 or whatever That's your business

Then later in the song the girl finds out the boy didn't mean to give it to her and he's been looking for it all weekend and wants it back. 

But not before she sees the label. 100% acrylic.

Thank you for posting this!  I thought I was the only person in the world who had heard this song because no one knows what I'm talking about when I mention it.

That's because it's Canadian, eh?  ;)

The artist is Meryn Cadell. S/he is a prof at UBC.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 18, 2013, 06:26:32 AM
Someone introduced me to that song years ago and I thought it was hilarious. :) I do remember hearing she did have a sex change after recording that song, but didn't know s/he'd become a professor. Cool. :)
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: caz on January 18, 2013, 09:47:19 AM
Waiting for your "one true love" to come back to you even though they are involved with someone else and generally unavailable gets romanticized a lot in media, but coming from the object of that unrequited affection, it's pretty creepy.

Yeah, how many times have we seen the male lead wait until the heroine is about to sleep with/move in with/marry the 'other guy' and then come banging on her door? You have to butt in now? You couldn't figure out that you loved me during all the time I was single and available, it has to be now?

The RL problem with that is that so often the guy only realises he wants you when he can't have you, but if you break off your relationship and go with him you turn from 'idealised fantasy object' to 'ordinary girlfriend' and some guys will go off chasing the next unattainable girl...

Sorry all... this brings me to 'Dear John' (spoilers ahead if you have not seen it)

The guy starts out all noble, rescuing her purse when it fell in the ocean, other corny sappy stuff etc etc, but it doesn't take long for him to develop charming jealousy issues towards all the other male friends in her sphere and start punching more than one of them despite his protestations that he's "changed" from the angry young man who used to tear up beachside bars.

He re-enlists after September 11, which is very noble and heroic, but clearly the girl he left back home is barely a consideration in his decision. But when she sends him a letter telling him she's marrying someone else, he goes off in an extended rage ending up being wounded and shipped home. He meets with the girl, her husband (the friend he punched who was now dying of cancer) and decides to be all noble and walk out on her again.

Also (sidebar) anyone who ran into an airport checkpoint the wrong way through a metal detector a week after 9-11 would have several heavily armed men carting her away, not a kiss from her soldier boyfriend.

Then the girl sends him a letter saying 'hey my husband died, wanna hook up?' and they meet in some coffee shop, the end.

How any of this is supposed to be romantic beats me.

hahaha!!!  never watched it, but now I have to!  I assume that's exactly how it happened.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Amanita on January 18, 2013, 01:56:26 PM
A few people have mentioned Glee. As much as I like the show, there's a few things I wonder about. Somebody mentioned the slushie that one of the Warblers threw at the Glee kids, that turned out to be spiked with rock salt, and actually caused an eye injury. IRL, the police would surely be getting involved. Assault and "bullying" is bad enough, but when somebody's hurt badly enough to require medical attention (they mentioned that the injured student might need surgery), that's harder to sweep under the rug.

The other thing that gets me is coach Sue Sylvester. They let her get away with entirely too much. She routinely mouths off with incredibly racist and homophobic statements, yet is never taken to task. Even if the Principal is a spineless wimp, surely some of these kids would have said something to their parents, and the parents would start making some real noise, demanding that action be taken, even if it meant going over the principal's head. She generally gets to do whatever she wants- destroying Glee club property- there was one episode this season when she took over their choir room and her cheer squad was happily destroying anything they could get their hands on. Surely that's not kosher! Likewise an episode in another season where the Glee club was trying to recruit people, so they put pianos around the school. Coach Sylvester destroyed one of them, going at it with bolt cutters. Wouldn't she be in serious doo-doo for destroying an expensive piece of school property?
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Twik on January 18, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
I am absolutely sure that for a teacher to destroy a piano belonging to the school she worked for would be the definition of professional Darwinism.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Kendo_Bunny on January 18, 2013, 02:02:51 PM
Another thing in 'Glee' - I only watched what my roommates had on while I was making dinner, but Kurt was acting like a little sex offender in training. I'm sure it's hard and lonely being the only out kid in school, but his behavior of the one kid crossed the line into pure harassment. Following him all the time, peeping on him, refusing to take no for an answer, trying to force him to say he was also gay when he wasn't... and then re-arranging their mutual bedroom so that the kid would have zero privacy so Kurt could ogle him whenever he felt like it? And then we're supposed to sympathize with Kurt when the kid yells? I understand he shouldn't have used a slur, but I would have been really mad if a girl who had been sexually harassing me for months that I then had to share a room with had re-arranged it so I couldn't possibly change without her being able to watch me.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Twik on January 18, 2013, 02:53:28 PM
Another thing in 'Glee' - I only watched what my roommates had on while I was making dinner, but Kurt was acting like a little sex offender in training. I'm sure it's hard and lonely being the only out kid in school, but his behavior of the one kid crossed the line into pure harassment. Following him all the time, peeping on him, refusing to take no for an answer, trying to force him to say he was also gay when he wasn't... and then re-arranging their mutual bedroom so that the kid would have zero privacy so Kurt could ogle him whenever he felt like it? And then we're supposed to sympathize with Kurt when the kid yells? I understand he shouldn't have used a slur, but I would have been really mad if a girl who had been sexually harassing me for months that I then had to share a room with had re-arranged it so I couldn't possibly change without her being able to watch me.

Oog, that sounds disgusting.

I think that many TV/movie writers still don't "get" sexual harassment. When you consider Hollywood's long history of the casting couch, I suppose it's nothing we shouldn't expect. But they seem to view harassing behaviour very much through a lens of "if it's a sympathetic character, their behaviour is sweet and quirky. If it's the villian, or even just someone "humorously" unattractive, then we can treat it as ugly and unstable".
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Slartibartfast on January 18, 2013, 02:57:14 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: BabyMama on January 18, 2013, 03:10:44 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

But they addressed it in the show and Finn pointed out to Kurt that if it was him (Finn) doing it to a girl, he'd be arrested. So it wasn't just a throwaway act.

I used to love Glee. Continuing it while still featuring Rachel and Kurt though...I fear it's jumped the shark.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Slartibartfast on January 18, 2013, 03:49:59 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

But they addressed it in the show and Finn pointed out to Kurt that if it was him (Finn) doing it to a girl, he'd be arrested. So it wasn't just a throwaway act.

I used to love Glee. Continuing it while still featuring Rachel and Kurt though...I fear it's jumped the shark.

I was excited when Season 3 finally made it on Netflix, re-watched the first two to be ready for it, then I saw one episode and saw Quinn say "We're getting our baby back!" and I was like "DONE."
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: wolfie on January 18, 2013, 03:51:42 PM
Bones.  Hodgkin's father-in-law (Angela's father) kidnaps him and tattoos him at least twice.  How is that not assault?  Never mind that he takes it on himself to name their child, and Angela is going along with that?

Not only would I not marry his daughter (who can't remember her first husband's name?), but the FIL would be behind bars.

Because it is tradition for her father to do that. But how much of a tradition could it be if she is the only child of the generation.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: flowersintheattic on January 18, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.

I just read the article and...wow. This is a song that has been played at virtually every event I've ever been to that's included a dance since 1999 (my freshman year of high school). I've known all the lyrics since age 15. I take my Mix-A-Lot VERY seriously. So...I can understand the thought process that may go into using the same arrangement as a prior cover, but how could you not notice the name change?????

Back on topic, though....a lot of the characters in Marian Keyes' books would probably have gotten restraining orders in real life. Starting with Tara, from "Last Chance Saloon," who practically stalks her ex-boyfriend, punching him when he gets engaged to someone else. The nice thing about Marian Keyes, though...these acts are never rewarded. Not always punished as much as they would be in real life, but still shown as bad acts.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: ica171 on January 18, 2013, 10:22:46 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

But they addressed it in the show and Finn pointed out to Kurt that if it was him (Finn) doing it to a girl, he'd be arrested. So it wasn't just a throwaway act.

I used to love Glee. Continuing it while still featuring Rachel and Kurt though...I fear it's jumped the shark.

I was excited when Season 3 finally made it on Netflix, re-watched the first two to be ready for it, then I saw one episode and saw Quinn say "We're getting our baby back!" and I was like "DONE."

I'm not as into Glee these days as I was in previous seasons, but I would like to point out that they didn't get their baby back, and in fact the baby's father went to the adoptive mother and told her Quinn's plan, which was planting stuff around her apartment to make her look like a bad mother then calling CPS. How Quinn got into Yale, I will never know.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Adelaide on January 18, 2013, 10:42:24 PM
The Mob Doctor. Grace CONSTANTLY skips out on her shifts. She's literally gone for huge chunks of time. She'll take off for three hours in the middle of the day without telling anyone. She gets meds out of the hospital, and I'm pretty darn sure that someone somewhere has a log book or two that isn't adding up correctly at the end of the day. I realize that you can't arrest someone for giving insulin shots to a mob boss, but she would at least lose her license for taking the drugs, sneaking off, sneaking in patients on the dl, and using a dead man's I.D. to hide the fact that she's wheeling around a member of the mob through the hospital.

Edit: And while I will say that 50 Shades is worse than Twilight, I don't think that a lot of the stuff in the book, done between two consenting/aware/non-naive adults, is particularly creepy, if that's you're cup of tea. What is creepy is reading about a guy stalking/ordering around some random, naive girl he met all of five seconds ago. Too much, too soon.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Kaora on January 19, 2013, 03:09:56 AM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.

Sure!  Clear the banjo sample and new arrangement track.  But if you're just going to ripoff what might be a cover with a new arrangement, at least catch the name drop from the new artist.  I get the feeling Coulton's fans are not ones you really want to ire...
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Virg on January 19, 2013, 09:23:03 AM
Adelaide wrote:

"The Mob Doctor."

Considering the premise of the show, I'd say that it goes without saying that she'd be in legal trouble for doing what she does.  However, in real life organized crime does a lot of under the table operation, so it wouldn't at all surprise me to find out she's not the only one at the hospital in their employ, so money changes hands, and magically those log books get balanced and absences get "overlooked".  Given that, it's closer to real life than a lot of people like to admit.

Virg
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: kherbert05 on January 19, 2013, 09:28:47 AM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.
I heard about this on Tech News Today. It isn't going to play well - since the companies involved regularly go after people for things that are fair use. (TNT and other shows on the network gets taken down off of their Youtube channel regularly because of using clips that clearly fall into fair use because these companies file complaints.*)


In this case though the makers of Glee apparently technically don't owe Coulton anything because Coulton's work was a fair use derivative work. They have to pay some royalties to the original artist. Still not a good idea to tick off Couton's fans. All they had to do was acknowledge were the song came from and things probably would have been fine.


*Last week on TWIT. The founder of the network, Leo Laporte,  played a clip from CBS that featured him and wondered how long it would be before they got a take down notice.


The CBS wanted to explain a technical issue. So they took a Video clip of Leo's Tech Guy radio show/Video netcast and put it on their news show. They never asked Leo to come on their show and explain, they didn't ask for permission to use the clip - they just stole it.


The Buffy Vs Edward clip has been used by the US copyright office and/or Library of Congress as an example of transformative use allowed under Fair use. didn't stop the twilight people from filing take down, it getting taken down, the creator filing an appeal, twilight people issuing an 2nd take down.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Adelaide on January 19, 2013, 10:04:00 AM
Adelaide wrote:

"The Mob Doctor."

Considering the premise of the show, I'd say that it goes without saying that she'd be in legal trouble for doing what she does.  However, in real life organized crime does a lot of under the table operation, so it wouldn't at all surprise me to find out she's not the only one at the hospital in their employ, so money changes hands, and magically those log books get balanced and absences get "overlooked".  Given that, it's closer to real life than a lot of people like to admit.

Virg

I'm not saying that it's unrealistic as a concept, just in the execution. That's the downside of tv though: in order to make something that will earn ratings, you have to exaggerate several aspects until they aren't realistic anymore. I just think it's hilarious that she can do things like leave for 3 hours (and in one case a whole day, and after a hospital-wide search for her she called in and said she had the flu, and received no consequences) or take meds without anyone knowing. There are hints that some other people in the hospital are working for the mob, but not enough to convince me that she can run around with only herself and a lone nurse as an overt ally. I guess the biggie is her physical displacement. You can only say "Where's Grace?" so many times before people start realizing that their heart surgeon is AWOL the majority of her shifts.

Now, if all of this happened not during her rounds, I would be more ready to believe it. But she just straight-up leaves the hospital at all hours of the day.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: blue2000 on January 19, 2013, 11:59:09 AM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.
I heard about this on Tech News Today. It isn't going to play well - since the companies involved regularly go after people for things that are fair use. (TNT and other shows on the network gets taken down off of their Youtube channel regularly because of using clips that clearly fall into fair use because these companies file complaints.*)


In this case though the makers of Glee apparently technically don't owe Coulton anything because Coulton's work was a fair use derivative work. They have to pay some royalties to the original artist
. Still not a good idea to tick off Couton's fans. All they had to do was acknowledge were the song came from and things probably would have been fine.


Coulton did his own words and arrangement. They can use the original song and only credit the original artist, or do their own similar to Coulton's and credit the original, but they can't use his exact words and arrangement without crediting him. Kind of like if Saturday Night Live did a parody of Buffy and someone used video of it in their own parody, but only credited Buffy, not SNL. SNL would be ticked.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: ica171 on January 19, 2013, 08:45:41 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.
I heard about this on Tech News Today. It isn't going to play well - since the companies involved regularly go after people for things that are fair use. (TNT and other shows on the network gets taken down off of their Youtube channel regularly because of using clips that clearly fall into fair use because these companies file complaints.*)


In this case though the makers of Glee apparently technically don't owe Coulton anything because Coulton's work was a fair use derivative work. They have to pay some royalties to the original artist
. Still not a good idea to tick off Couton's fans. All they had to do was acknowledge were the song came from and things probably would have been fine.


Coulton did his own words and arrangement. They can use the original song and only credit the original artist, or do their own similar to Coulton's and credit the original, but they can't use his exact words and arrangement without crediting him. Kind of like if Saturday Night Live did a parody of Buffy and someone used video of it in their own parody, but only credited Buffy, not SNL. SNL would be ticked.

According to this article http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/why-glee-did-not-rip-off-jonathan-coulton (http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/why-glee-did-not-rip-off-jonathan-coulton) on Buzzfeed, they can. Assuming the article is correct, of course. Quote of the relevant part:
Quote
It is understandable that Coulton would be annoyed, but the producers of Glee don't actually owe him anything. According to copyright law, alternate arrangements of songs are "derivative works," and arrangers can only claim a copyright when the songwriter has granted that privilege to them. Sir Mix-a-Lot is the sole songwriter of "Baby Got Back," so only he is obligated to receive credit and payment for the use of the song in the show. Though Coulton's version includes elements that he wrote himself, he cannot claim a songwriting credit for those contributions, including that "Johnny C." line, which was almost certainly included in the Glee version as their way of giving the singer some credit.
This would be a bit different if the show had used Coulton's recording. In that case, the recording would be licensed and Coulton would receive performance royalties, while Sir Mix-a-Lot would get the royalties for songwriting.
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: blue2000 on January 19, 2013, 09:14:58 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.
I heard about this on Tech News Today. It isn't going to play well - since the companies involved regularly go after people for things that are fair use. (TNT and other shows on the network gets taken down off of their Youtube channel regularly because of using clips that clearly fall into fair use because these companies file complaints.*)


In this case though the makers of Glee apparently technically don't owe Coulton anything because Coulton's work was a fair use derivative work. They have to pay some royalties to the original artist
. Still not a good idea to tick off Couton's fans. All they had to do was acknowledge were the song came from and things probably would have been fine.


Coulton did his own words and arrangement. They can use the original song and only credit the original artist, or do their own similar to Coulton's and credit the original, but they can't use his exact words and arrangement without crediting him. Kind of like if Saturday Night Live did a parody of Buffy and someone used video of it in their own parody, but only credited Buffy, not SNL. SNL would be ticked.

According to this article http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/why-glee-did-not-rip-off-jonathan-coulton (http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/why-glee-did-not-rip-off-jonathan-coulton) on Buzzfeed, they can. Assuming the article is correct, of course. Quote of the relevant part:
Quote
It is understandable that Coulton would be annoyed, but the producers of Glee don't actually owe him anything. According to copyright law, alternate arrangements of songs are "derivative works," and arrangers can only claim a copyright when the songwriter has granted that privilege to them. Sir Mix-a-Lot is the sole songwriter of "Baby Got Back," so only he is obligated to receive credit and payment for the use of the song in the show. Though Coulton's version includes elements that he wrote himself, he cannot claim a songwriting credit for those contributions, including that "Johnny C." line, which was almost certainly included in the Glee version as their way of giving the singer some credit.
This would be a bit different if the show had used Coulton's recording. In that case, the recording would be licensed and Coulton would receive performance royalties, while Sir Mix-a-Lot would get the royalties for songwriting.

That's the thing. They are suspected of using his recording - not just something similar to his, but actually putting his music together with their vocals. That's why there is such a screamfest around the internet.

I don't know if they did or if they just made a copy that is identical to his, but either way they have shot themselves in the foot with this. How hard is it to hire someone to do your own dang music??
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: ica171 on January 19, 2013, 09:18:11 PM
Ooh, yeah, forgot about the Kurt thing.  I'm all for them allowing Kurt to be his own character instead of just a gay stereotype (although yeah, he has a lot of stereotype-y behaviors), but the whole thing with him and Finn was just wrong and made me furious on Finn's behalf.

In ironic news about shows behaving badly, there's now a flap about one of the upcoming Glee songs (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/01/18/169706944/ive-heard-that-somewhere-glee-covers-baby-got-back-and-it-sounds-familiar) and how they stole an arrangement lock, stock, and barrel from singer Jonathan Coulton.  Including the part where he changed the lyrics in his version to include his own name.  I will be interested to see where this goes.
I heard about this on Tech News Today. It isn't going to play well - since the companies involved regularly go after people for things that are fair use. (TNT and other shows on the network gets taken down off of their Youtube channel regularly because of using clips that clearly fall into fair use because these companies file complaints.*)


In this case though the makers of Glee apparently technically don't owe Coulton anything because Coulton's work was a fair use derivative work. They have to pay some royalties to the original artist
. Still not a good idea to tick off Couton's fans. All they had to do was acknowledge were the song came from and things probably would have been fine.


Coulton did his own words and arrangement. They can use the original song and only credit the original artist, or do their own similar to Coulton's and credit the original, but they can't use his exact words and arrangement without crediting him. Kind of like if Saturday Night Live did a parody of Buffy and someone used video of it in their own parody, but only credited Buffy, not SNL. SNL would be ticked.

According to this article http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/why-glee-did-not-rip-off-jonathan-coulton (http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/why-glee-did-not-rip-off-jonathan-coulton) on Buzzfeed, they can. Assuming the article is correct, of course. Quote of the relevant part:
Quote
It is understandable that Coulton would be annoyed, but the producers of Glee don't actually owe him anything. According to copyright law, alternate arrangements of songs are "derivative works," and arrangers can only claim a copyright when the songwriter has granted that privilege to them. Sir Mix-a-Lot is the sole songwriter of "Baby Got Back," so only he is obligated to receive credit and payment for the use of the song in the show. Though Coulton's version includes elements that he wrote himself, he cannot claim a songwriting credit for those contributions, including that "Johnny C." line, which was almost certainly included in the Glee version as their way of giving the singer some credit.
This would be a bit different if the show had used Coulton's recording. In that case, the recording would be licensed and Coulton would receive performance royalties, while Sir Mix-a-Lot would get the royalties for songwriting.

That's the thing. They are suspected of using his recording - not just something similar to his, but actually putting his music together with their vocals. That's why there is such a screamfest around the internet.

I don't know if they did or if they just made a copy that is identical to his, but either way they have shot themselves in the foot with this. How hard is it to hire someone to do your own dang music??

Well, that red-haired guy that played the piano quit, so their hands were forced. >:D
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: blue2000 on January 19, 2013, 09:20:10 PM
I don't know if they did or if they just made a copy that is identical to his, but either way they have shot themselves in the foot with this. How hard is it to hire someone to do your own dang music??

Well, that red-haired guy that played the piano quit, so their hands were forced. >:D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: s/o things in movies/books that would lead to a restraining order in RL
Post by: Nikko-chan on January 20, 2013, 04:28:23 PM
Just thought of a few more.

Blood Ties: When Henry knocks Vicki out accidentally and grabs her, taking her into the woods and then to his home, because well, hello. Vampire and can't have anyone finding out. Bad Henry!

Mutant X: Brennan was attacked and uh... forced by a woman to uh do something. And nothing happened to her... nothing.... gah! *pulls hair out* On top of that, none of his teammates even believed him! GAH!