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Title: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: JenJay on January 23, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
I tried to search and see if this was already covered but variations of "editing" bring up a lot of content. I apologize if this has been covered and I missed it. (If so can someone link me, please?)

I've noticed from time to time that a poster will quote and edit a previous post to strike out the part(s) they disagree with and insert their own opinion, sometimes adding "fixed that for ya", instead of replying and saying "I disagree. I think..." Is there an official rule that this is or is not okay? If someone edits your post is it okay to ask them not to, or does that fall under "different posting styles" and should be accepted?

To be clear, I don't mean the times when the OP has asked for editing help or it's obviously meant to be a joke, let's say I post "Brad Pitt is so handsome. I'd like to meet him." And someone will quote my post but change it to "Brad Pitt is so handsome. I'd like to meet smooch him.' Fixed that!  >:D"

I'm talking about the times where person A will post "My neighbors are noisy. What should I do?", person B replies "I would talk to them." then person C replies  "I would talk to them the police.' Fixed that for ya!" When that's happened to me I'm not sure if I should say "Thanks but no, I wouldn't call the police.", ask person C to remove the edited quote and state their opinion outright or ignore it.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Outdoor Girl on January 23, 2013, 02:06:48 PM
I'm talking about the times where person A will post "My neighbors are noisy. What should I do?", person B replies "I would talk to them." then person C replies  "I would talk to them the police.' Fixed that for ya!" When that's happened to me I'm not sure if I should say "Thanks but no, I wouldn't call the police.", ask person C to remove the edited quote and state their opinion outright or ignore it.

I haven't seen this done but I agree with you that this shouldn't happen.  I have no problem with the editing one or the joking one.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: NyaChan on January 23, 2013, 02:27:23 PM
I don't like the last one either.  It is as if the editor is deliberately dismissing whatever the other poster said.  IMO, if you have a different opinion, write it out yourself.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: lowspark on January 23, 2013, 02:29:20 PM
I've not seen that done either. I've definitely seen the joking one lots of times but it's obvious it's a joke. I've really never seen any one actually change the meaning of a previous post in such a way as to imply that the original poster was somehow stating an opinion that the subsequent poster felt was wrong. I agree that's not cool. Maybe you can give an example?
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: JenJay on January 23, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
I've not seen that done either. I've definitely seen the joking one lots of times but it's obvious it's a joke. I've really never seen any one actually change the meaning of a previous post in such a way as to imply that the original poster was somehow stating an opinion that the subsequent poster felt was wrong. I agree that's not cool. Maybe you can give an example?

I'd rather not because I'd hate to "call someone out" when it's just clarification I'm after. It's happened to me a couple of times and I deliberately waited a little while so that the people who used my quote wouldn't feel singled out. I've seen it before and after my own posts, though.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: LazyDaisy on January 23, 2013, 02:50:48 PM
I've seen it done when people seem to be writing a script for the OP. Someone will start off:

OP: This is what I want to say, "I would prefer you stop doing that."
Poster 1: I think that's too passive and they won't listen, I would suggest this, "I would prefer want you to stop doing that."
Poster 2: Oh but I think then they could argue. I would say this, "I would prefer you stop doing that."

If one poster begins the "script" then I think others are responding to the OP rather than making a direct critique of the poster. I hope that makes sense. I don't think it's rude.

In the "I fixed that for you," I've seen it used as a joke or when there was a funny typo or misuse of a word. I think that this can sometimes come across as rude if the intent is to embarrass, or make light during a serious discussion.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: JenJay on January 23, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
I've seen it done when people seem to be writing a script for the OP. Someone will start off:

OP: This is what I want to say, "I would prefer you stop doing that."
Poster 1: I think that's too passive and they won't listen, I would suggest this, "I would prefer want you to stop doing that."
Poster 2: Oh but I think then they could argue. I would say this, "I would prefer you stop doing that."

If one poster begins the "script" then I think others are responding to the OP rather than making a direct critique of the poster. I hope that makes sense. I don't think it's rude.

In the "I fixed that for you," I've seen it used as a joke or when there was a funny typo or misuse of a word. I think that this can sometimes come across as rude if the intent is to embarrass, or make light during a serious discussion.

I agree that it's fine when the OP has asked for editing help, I've done that myself. I'm talking about in a regular, ongoing discussion, and someone disagrees with your post. Rather than quote you and start their reply "I disagree" they will quote you, strike out what they disagree with, then start their reply by explaining why they feel the way they do.

It's funny because I've seen it done and not thought it was so bad, but other times I've seen it and thought "Yikes. If I was the quoted poster I wouldn't appreciate that." One of the times it happened to my post it did bother me, as NyaChan said, I felt like my opinion/advice was being completely disregarded (And I actually stood by my post and thought it was valid advice, so I admit it was annoying to have chunks of it stricken.)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Outdoor Girl on January 23, 2013, 03:01:04 PM
This doesn't change the meaning the way JenJay's example did but using the quote function and inserting your wording, makes it look like someone else said something they didn't.

Why not just quote the post:

"I would prefer you stop doing that."

And write underneath, 'I think that's too passive and they won't listen.  I would suggest, "I want you to stop doing that."
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Jones on January 23, 2013, 03:02:36 PM
I've seen it, and it bothered me, so I'm posting here for any official update. I remember once when someone said "please don't rephrase my post, that isn't what I meant and posted what I meant" and the rephraser apologized. I thought that was a good way to handle it.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: SiotehCat on January 23, 2013, 03:10:50 PM
I have seen what the OP is talking about. I don't think its ever happened to me, but I have seen it happen to others.

I often wonder if it bothers the person its being done to, but I figure they might be on friendlier terms then I know.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: LazyDaisy on January 23, 2013, 03:11:20 PM
This doesn't change the meaning the way JenJay's example did but using the quote function and inserting your wording, makes it look like someone else said something they didn't.

Why not just quote the post:

"I would prefer you stop doing that."

And write underneath, 'I think that's too passive and they won't listen.  I would suggest, "I want you to stop doing that."

The sentence I used was only an easy example, but when I've seen edits inside of a long quote, it's usually because retyping the whole thing to change a word or phrase here and there is time consuming and difficult on smaller screens. There are posters that are using mobile devices rather than desktop computers.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: JenJay on January 23, 2013, 03:12:16 PM
I've seen it, and it bothered me, so I'm posting here for any official update. I remember once when someone said "please don't rephrase my post, that isn't what I meant and posted what I meant" and the rephraser apologized. I thought that was a good way to handle it.

That is good, I'll remember that! The one time I needed to I said something like "Actually, I gave OP that advice because..." and explained my thought a bit further. The other times I wasn't sure how to respond so I didn't.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: oceanus on January 23, 2013, 08:21:25 PM
I'm glad you brought this up, JenJay.  I don't like it, and I don't need help rewriting my post.  Sometimes people post their edits in red and use the strikethrough, as if that gives them validation or whatever.   ::)  I usually will remind them that when/if I need their help with expressing my opinion, I'll ask.   ;)

Just quote my post, then disagree, and we can discuss/take it from there.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Judah on January 23, 2013, 08:54:52 PM
I've had it done to me and I asked the "correcting" poster to not do it.  It really bothers me. I don't need someone to "fix" my thoughts for me, and if I did, I'd ask for help.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: greencat on January 23, 2013, 09:01:45 PM
I don't mind seeing this done in the humor threads - where it is clearly a joke.

Someone did it to one of my posts today in an advice thread - and I was not happy, but the thread had moved on significantly and I didn't want to derail it to deal with the person putting words in my mouth.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: #borecore on January 23, 2013, 09:13:18 PM
I don't like this in humorous threads or serious ones, and I think I've said as much at least once.

I guess the "I'm funnier/cleverer/more succinct than you" point can be brought across much more politely than with the editing approach.

Maybe I'm more sensitive to it because when I edit people's work (or have mine edited), it's often an ego-impacting thing no matter the editor's intent, so I try to conduct myself as politely as possible.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Iris on January 24, 2013, 01:02:45 AM
I think it depends on the manner in which it is done. Firstly, I think "Fixed that for you" should only ever be used to make a joke or look at the situation in a lighthearted way. Far too arrogant to be used in a serious post.

Secondly, I think if someone has made a lengthy post and the 'editor' has changed a word or two here or there followed by a comment that says "I think this is a great idea! I would change these couple of words to make it more friendly/unfriendly/succinct/whatever, what do you think?" then that is reasonable to me. That is, it's taking someones idea and politely suggesting a way that you think it might be developed, and you are obviously open to be disagreed with.

Thirdly, if the majority of the post or the central idea/approach of the post has been drastically changed then I think it's really not on. If it is done to disagree with someone then I think it is rude - write your own post. You can quote them and then say "I disagree with this post for X reason. I think it would be better to say blah blah blah."

Having said that, it's never happened to me nor have I (to my recollection) done it to someone else so this is a relative 'outside perspective' fwiw.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on January 24, 2013, 01:34:30 AM
I've done it when people get the characters in a story mixed up. Let's say the story is about Ann doing something rude to Beth. A poster will come along and mix up the names and reply
"I can't believe Beth would do something like that to Ann."

In that case - if I am quoting the post - I'll fix the names and then in my first sentence write something along the lines of "Names changed to fit with the OP". I don't think I'm being rude in doing that, but I grant that the situation is slightly different from the OP.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Mental Magpie on February 03, 2013, 06:24:05 PM
I've seen it, and it bothered me, so I'm posting here for any official update. I remember once when someone said "please don't rephrase my post, that isn't what I meant and posted what I meant" and the rephraser apologized. I thought that was a good way to handle it.

I think that was me  :-[  I thought I was doing what others had done and that it was something that was acceptable.  I learned that it was not, and I definitely won't be doing that again.  There was something I was missing between how others were doing it and how I did it.  I still haven't figured out what that is, but I've decided I'd rather not know so that in case I get it wrong again, I won't anger/upset/embarrass anyone, including myself.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: artk2002 on February 03, 2013, 09:11:36 PM
I've only seen it done in a light-hearted way. Doesn't bother me one bit.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: JoieGirl7 on February 04, 2013, 01:02:57 AM
I think its safe to say that hen someone uses red text or crosses out things and says "There, fixed that for you.."  it is very obvious that the original has been changed.

While its annoying, I don't think there is anything sneaky about it.  And doing anything other than ignoring it tends to get the thread off track.  The most I would suggest is to quote the butchered quote and say that you don't agree.
 
But, this is not a case of someone changing a posters words in an effort to fool others that their opinion is other than what it is.  When something is restated and not restated well then someone can objet, -- its aboit clarifying the issues and not about a particular poster behavior.

I believe that sometimes people intend to make a joke and it falls flat.  Hard to make a rule against having a dull sense of humor.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Tea Drinker on February 04, 2013, 01:12:13 PM
Would it be a problem to change obvious small typos if I'm quoting someone? I'm thinking of things like a post or comment saying "probelms" instead of "problems," where the intended meaning was already clear and I'd be changing it mostly for tidiness?
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Mental Magpie on February 04, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
Would it be a problem to change obvious small typos if I'm quoting someone? I'm thinking of things like a post or comment saying "probelms" instead of "problems," where the intended meaning was already clear and I'd be changing it mostly for tidiness?

While I can see the want to do that, that seems overly controlling to me.  I know that's not the intent, but that's how it comes across.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: wolfie on February 04, 2013, 01:18:59 PM
I've seen it, and it bothered me, so I'm posting here for any official update. I remember once when someone said "please don't rephrase my post, that isn't what I meant and posted what I meant" and the rephraser apologized. I thought that was a good way to handle it.

I think that was me  :-[  I thought I was doing what others had done and that it was something that was acceptable.  I learned that it was not, and I definitely won't be doing that again.  There was something I was missing between how others were doing it and how I did it.  I still haven't figured out what that is, but I've decided I'd rather not know so that in case I get it wrong again, I won't anger/upset/embarrass anyone, including myself.

I doubt that you missed anything. I had it done to me once and while I didn't say anything about it it really annoyed me. I didn't say anything because I couldn't think of a way to protest and still be polite and by the time I thought of something the thread had moved on.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Giggity on February 04, 2013, 01:53:23 PM
Would it be a problem to change obvious small typos if I'm quoting someone? I'm thinking of things like a post or comment saying "probelms" instead of "problems," where the intended meaning was already clear and I'd be changing it mostly for tidiness?

I don't think it's a problem, in that the software allows it. I don't think it's particularly polite.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Perfect Circle on February 04, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
Would it be a problem to change obvious small typos if I'm quoting someone? I'm thinking of things like a post or comment saying "probelms" instead of "problems," where the intended meaning was already clear and I'd be changing it mostly for tidiness?

I don't think it's a problem, in that the software allows it. I don't think it's particularly polite.

I would find that very rude. Typos happen. Correcting them is pointing it out regardless of your intentions.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: PastryGoddess on February 04, 2013, 01:56:11 PM
I typically only edit or use the strikethrough when I'm taking part in a post that is asking for help in drafting an email/letter/phrase etc.  Otherwise, I assume that whomever wrote the post I'm quoting is of sound mind and knew exactly what they were writing.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: rose red on February 04, 2013, 02:59:18 PM
Would it be a problem to change obvious small typos if I'm quoting someone? I'm thinking of things like a post or comment saying "probelms" instead of "problems," where the intended meaning was already clear and I'd be changing it mostly for tidiness?

I don't think it's a problem, in that the software allows it. I don't think it's particularly polite.

I would find that very rude. Typos happen. Correcting them is pointing it out regardless of your intentions.

I sometimes accidentally correct the OP because the spell-check pulls it up and I thought the misspelled word is mine so I click the button to change it.  I always start over because I don't feel comfortable having someone else's word corrected because they may think I'm being PA or superior or something like that.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Yvaine on February 04, 2013, 03:55:30 PM
I liked the one where the OP found a stray cat and said "I have four cats" and someone corrected it to five cats because it was obvious the newcomer was making himself at home and sneaking into her affections.  ;D
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: hobish on February 04, 2013, 04:08:48 PM
Would it be a problem to change obvious small typos if I'm quoting someone? I'm thinking of things like a post or comment saying "probelms" instead of "problems," where the intended meaning was already clear and I'd be changing it mostly for tidiness?

I don't think it's a problem, in that the software allows it. I don't think it's particularly polite.

I would find that very rude. Typos happen. Correcting them is pointing it out regardless of your intentions.

I sometimes accidentally correct the OP because the spell-check pulls it up and I thought the misspelled word is mine so I click the button to change it.  I always start over because I don't feel comfortable having someone else's word corrected because they may think I'm being PA or superior or something like that.

I have done that, too; but i forget when. Maybe using my iPhone? I know my usual computers don't do that. I was embarassed, but i had already posted it and by the time i realized it going back and re-editing the errors back in ... well, that would be even worse, i think. Typing that out it sounds kind of funny, but i was redfaced at the time. At least y'all can't see me  :)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Tea Drinker on February 04, 2013, 05:12:09 PM
OK, that's pretty clear consensus. I'll leave typos alone if I see any in something I'm quoting.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 04, 2013, 11:30:51 PM
Interesting. I feel that leaving it in points it out more than changing it does. Especially if I'm only quoting a sentence or two. I can see it being different if I'm quoting an entire post.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Surianne on February 07, 2013, 10:14:01 AM
Interesting. I feel that leaving it in points it out more than changing it does. Especially if I'm only quoting a sentence or two. I can see it being different if I'm quoting an entire post.

Me too, I've always thought it was more polite to fix the typos -- keeps from drawing other people's attention to it. 

Whereas I see the "fixed it" post when you disagree with someone as being quite snarky/rude.  Funny how opinions can differ so much.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Yvaine on February 07, 2013, 10:23:48 AM
Interesting. I feel that leaving it in points it out more than changing it does. Especially if I'm only quoting a sentence or two. I can see it being different if I'm quoting an entire post.

Me too, I've always thought it was more polite to fix the typos -- keeps from drawing other people's attention to it. 

Whereas I see the "fixed it" post when you disagree with someone as being quite snarky/rude.  Funny how opinions can differ so much.

I've really only noticed the "fixed it" thing when people were trying to be funny, for the most part. But no way would I ever correct someone's typo. That would just feel pretentious.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Surianne on February 07, 2013, 07:04:39 PM
Interesting. I feel that leaving it in points it out more than changing it does. Especially if I'm only quoting a sentence or two. I can see it being different if I'm quoting an entire post.

Me too, I've always thought it was more polite to fix the typos -- keeps from drawing other people's attention to it. 

Whereas I see the "fixed it" post when you disagree with someone as being quite snarky/rude.  Funny how opinions can differ so much.

I've really only noticed the "fixed it" thing when people were trying to be funny, for the most part. But no way would I ever correct someone's typo. That would just feel pretentious.

What would make it pretentious?  I'm not arguing, just trying to understand this to decide whether or not I should stop doing it...to me it just seems like the nice thing to do, so I'd prefer to keep doing it if only a few people are bothered by it as the exception. 

I usually fix typos in quotes because I assume if the poster had noticed it, they'd have fixed it themselves, and it can clear up confusion.   Typos seem much more glaring in quoted posts.   Particularly if I'm debating with someone, I don't want them to think I pulled out that post to deliberately emphasize their error!  Better to correct it and pretend it wasn't there in the first place.

But if there's a real reason not to that someone can explain, then I'll try to remember to stop.   :)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Mental Magpie on February 07, 2013, 07:18:21 PM
Interesting. I feel that leaving it in points it out more than changing it does. Especially if I'm only quoting a sentence or two. I can see it being different if I'm quoting an entire post.

Me too, I've always thought it was more polite to fix the typos -- keeps from drawing other people's attention to it. 

Whereas I see the "fixed it" post when you disagree with someone as being quite snarky/rude.  Funny how opinions can differ so much.

I've really only noticed the "fixed it" thing when people were trying to be funny, for the most part. But no way would I ever correct someone's typo. That would just feel pretentious.

What would make it pretentious?  I'm not arguing, just trying to understand this to decide whether or not I should stop doing it...to me it just seems like the nice thing to do, so I'd prefer to keep doing it if only a few people are bothered by it as the exception. 

I usually fix typos in quotes because I assume if the poster had noticed it, they'd have fixed it themselves, and it can clear up confusion.   Typos seem much more glaring in quoted posts.   Particularly if I'm debating with someone, I don't want them to think I pulled out that post to deliberately emphasize their error!  Better to correct it and pretend it wasn't there in the first place.

But if there's a real reason not to that someone can explain, then I'll try to remember to stop.   :)

By correcting it, you're drawing attention to the fact that is was wrong.  People who just read the first one then read yours are likely to noticed you've corrected it.  To me, that is double pointing out the error.  It's like smelling a fart and pointing out that you're pretending to not smell it (under the polite fiction that the person didn't fart at all to begin with).

On top of that, it also kind of says, "Hey, you didn't do well enough in your original post, what with your typos, so I'm going to fix them for you and do a better job!"  I know that's not the intent, but it still comes across that way, to me, anyway.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 07, 2013, 11:37:32 PM
Interesting. I feel that leaving it in points it out more than changing it does. Especially if I'm only quoting a sentence or two. I can see it being different if I'm quoting an entire post.

Me too, I've always thought it was more polite to fix the typos -- keeps from drawing other people's attention to it. 

Whereas I see the "fixed it" post when you disagree with someone as being quite snarky/rude.  Funny how opinions can differ so much.

I've really only noticed the "fixed it" thing when people were trying to be funny, for the most part. But no way would I ever correct someone's typo. That would just feel pretentious.

What would make it pretentious?  I'm not arguing, just trying to understand this to decide whether or not I should stop doing it...to me it just seems like the nice thing to do, so I'd prefer to keep doing it if only a few people are bothered by it as the exception. 

I usually fix typos in quotes because I assume if the poster had noticed it, they'd have fixed it themselves, and it can clear up confusion.   Typos seem much more glaring in quoted posts.   Particularly if I'm debating with someone, I don't want them to think I pulled out that post to deliberately emphasize their error!  Better to correct it and pretend it wasn't there in the first place.

But if there's a real reason not to that someone can explain, then I'll try to remember to stop.   :)

By correcting it, you're drawing attention to the fact that is was wrong.  People who just read the first one then read yours are likely to noticed you've corrected it.  To me, that is double pointing out the error.  It's like smelling a fart and pointing out that you're pretending to not smell it (under the polite fiction that the person didn't fart at all to begin with).

On top of that, it also kind of says, "Hey, you didn't do well enough in your original post, what with your typos, so I'm going to fix them for you and do a better job!"  I know that's not the intent, but it still comes across that way, to me, anyway.

I feel that not fixing it draws attention to it. As in "Look, look, look! I'm quoting something with a spelling error!!!" Whereas fixing it makes a polite fiction that it never happened in the first place.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Yvaine on February 08, 2013, 06:07:31 AM
I feel that not fixing it draws attention to it. As in "Look, look, look! I'm quoting something with a spelling error!!!" Whereas fixing it makes a polite fiction that it never happened in the first place.

See, and I feel like ignoring the typo and pretending I didn't see it makes the polite fiction, while fixing it makes it absolutely clear that I saw it.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 08, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
I feel that not fixing it draws attention to it. As in "Look, look, look! I'm quoting something with a spelling error!!!" Whereas fixing it makes a polite fiction that it never happened in the first place.

See, and I feel like ignoring the typo and pretending I didn't see it makes the polite fiction, while fixing it makes it absolutely clear that I saw it.

Obvious to the person who made it, perhaps, but other posters are unlikely to remember a typo was made in the original post, and I see no attention to draw attention to the typo by repeating it.

And if the person him/herself doesn't remember making the typo either (which is very likely if a couple of pages have gone by), they're not reminded of it either :)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Yvaine on February 08, 2013, 06:28:42 AM
I feel that not fixing it draws attention to it. As in "Look, look, look! I'm quoting something with a spelling error!!!" Whereas fixing it makes a polite fiction that it never happened in the first place.

See, and I feel like ignoring the typo and pretending I didn't see it makes the polite fiction, while fixing it makes it absolutely clear that I saw it.

Obvious to the person who made it, perhaps, but other posters are unlikely to remember a typo was made in the original post, and I see no attention to draw attention to the typo by repeating it.

And if the person him/herself doesn't remember making the typo either (which is very likely if a couple of pages have gone by), they're not reminded of it either :)

But then what if you genuinely don't see it? Does it make it rude to have not noticed it? I figure "polite fiction" means I do whatever I'd have done if I really hadn't noticed the typo--i.e. nothing.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Giggity on February 08, 2013, 06:30:25 AM
I'd rather be quoted accurately than corrected.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 08, 2013, 07:02:10 AM
I feel that not fixing it draws attention to it. As in "Look, look, look! I'm quoting something with a spelling error!!!" Whereas fixing it makes a polite fiction that it never happened in the first place.

See, and I feel like ignoring the typo and pretending I didn't see it makes the polite fiction, while fixing it makes it absolutely clear that I saw it.

Obvious to the person who made it, perhaps, but other posters are unlikely to remember a typo was made in the original post, and I see no attention to draw attention to the typo by repeating it.

And if the person him/herself doesn't remember making the typo either (which is very likely if a couple of pages have gone by), they're not reminded of it either :)

But then what if you genuinely don't see it? Does it make it rude to have not noticed it? I figure "polite fiction" means I do whatever I'd have done if I really hadn't noticed the typo--i.e. nothing.

I think this is one of those situations where it's not rude to do it and it's not rude to not do it either.

Giggity, guess I don't see correcting a typo as being quoted inaccurately. Besides, I'd rather be quoted for what I meant to type rather than for what I actually typed (which is a slippery slope I know, which is why I only apply it to blatant typos and mix-up of names).
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Judah on February 08, 2013, 09:36:13 AM
I'd rather be quoted accurately than corrected.

This is how I feel about it too.  Quote my post as it is, not as you think it should be.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Yvaine on February 08, 2013, 09:40:03 AM
I ignore typos unless a message is so mangled as to be incomprehensible (which is usually because of autocorrect on people's phones, I think). And in that case I'm going to ask for a clarification, not try to decide what the person meant to type and fix it myself.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Aeris on February 08, 2013, 10:01:49 AM
I'd rather be quoted accurately than corrected.

I agree completely. I would find it incredibly presumptuous and high handed for someone to correct my typos when quoting me. Quote me correctly or not at all, but don't presume to 'fix me', and don't edit my submission like you're my grade school teacher. I think that's incredibly rude. I would think it was snotty, and that the person doing it was trying to be catty and subtle about their one-upsmanship.

The only possible thing that would be ruder would be leaving the typo but inserting [sic] behind it.

Ignoring it says that you didn't even see it. Fixing says "I saw it, and I want you to know I saw it."
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: onyonryngs on February 08, 2013, 10:09:37 AM
I feel that not fixing it draws attention to it. As in "Look, look, look! I'm quoting something with a spelling error!!!" Whereas fixing it makes a polite fiction that it never happened in the first place.

See, and I feel like ignoring the typo and pretending I didn't see it makes the polite fiction, while fixing it makes it absolutely clear that I saw it.

POD.  You don't "fix" someone's post unless you've been asked to help specifically with editing a letter.  It's just comes across as smug.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: perpetua on February 08, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
^^ This.

There's no possible way to correct a typo in a quote without it reading as 'I know better than you', and that's wrong.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Perfect Circle on February 08, 2013, 10:19:51 AM
I agree. This also isn't a language forum and editing someone else's posts just seems like an attempt at educating them.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 08, 2013, 10:51:01 AM
I Still vehemently disagree (and am sad that such uncharitable motives are ascribed to me when I have explained why I'd correct typos and it's got nothing at all to do with wanting to "educate them"), but I can see we shall just have to agree to disagree :)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: onyonryngs on February 08, 2013, 11:06:36 AM
I Still vehemently disagree (and am sad that such uncharitable motives are ascribed to me when I have explained why I'd correct typos and it's got nothing at all to do with wanting to "educate them"), but I can see we shall just have to agree to disagree :)

You may still disagree, but would you continue to correct posts knowing that so many people believe that it's rude? 
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Moray on February 08, 2013, 11:06:43 AM
I Sstill vehemently disagree (and am sad that such uncharitable motives are ascribed to me when I have explained why I'd correct typos and it's got nothing at all to do with wanting to "educate them"), but I can see we shall just have to agree to disagree. :)

Do you really not see how something like the above, regardless of intention, comes off as condescending? This isn't about intent. This is about perception.

It hurts nothing to let someone else's post go by with an incorrect homonym, misspelling, or grammatical error; however, if you correct any of those things, even unobtrusively, you run the risk of offending someone. It simply isn't nice.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 08, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
I still vehemently disagree (and am sad that such uncharitable motives are ascribed to me when I have explained why I'd correct typos and it's got nothing at all to do with wanting to "educate them"), but I can see we shall just have to agree to disagree. :)

Do you really not see how something like the above, regardless of intention, comes off as condescending? This isn't about intent. This is about perception.

If I correct a typo, I don't point it out. I'd just quietly correct it like above. Because I agree, what you did would be rude and condescending (note, not calling you either, I knew you were just making an example), and most definitely not be a "polite fiction" that the typo never happened in the first place.

I Still vehemently disagree (and am sad that such uncharitable motives are ascribed to me when I have explained why I'd correct typos and it's got nothing at all to do with wanting to "educate them"), but I can see we shall just have to agree to disagree :)

You may still disagree, but would you continue to correct posts knowing that so many people believe that it's rude? 

Not on purpose. I may forget as it's become such an ingrained habit of mine. But if I remember (and I promise I'll try!) I'll just refrain from using the quote feature. Since I, personally, think it's unkind of me to notice a typo and embarrass the poster by repeating it, I think that's the best compromise :)

(Emphasising that it's a personal quirk, and I don't think it's unkind of anybody else to notice a typo and not correct it... although I hope they would do me the kindness and correct mine, since I'll try to do them the kindness and not correct theirs. I don't actually expect that to happen though, as it would be impossible to remember who wants what.)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: thedudeabides on February 08, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
What difference does a typo make in teh grand scheme of things? Why would you feel compelled to correct it if it doesn't hurt comprehension?
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 08, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
I don't feel compelled to correct it if I don't quote it :)

I feel it is a kindness to correct it if I am quoting it, as it seems rude to me to knowingly repeat another person's error.

I realize I'm in the minority here though (although I'm glad to see I'm not totally alone :D ), so I will do my best to stop doing it.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Moray on February 08, 2013, 11:53:42 AM
I still vehemently disagree (and am sad that such uncharitable motives are ascribed to me when I have explained why I'd correct typos and it's got nothing at all to do with wanting to "educate them"), but I can see we shall just have to agree to disagree. :)

Do you really not see how something like the above, regardless of intention, comes off as condescending? This isn't about intent. This is about perception.

If I correct a typo, I don't point it out. I'd just quietly correct it like above. Because I agree, what you did would be rude and condescending (note, not calling you either, I knew you were just making an example), and most definitely not be a "polite fiction" that the typo never happened in the first place.


You'll note that I said "even unobtrusively". The result is the same; it comes off as smug and superior.

What I don't understand is how you can sit there saying "I don't do it to be rude, so it's fine!" when so many of us are telling you that it comes off as offensive, condescending, and smug? So frequently on this site, we talk about how rude; how very, very rude it is when others do and say hurtful things, and how their conviction that they're totally fine because they don't see the problem doesn't negate that rudeness.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: cass2591 on February 08, 2013, 11:56:16 AM
It's a typo. We're not talking about correcting misinformation, but a typo. Leave them be. I agree that it's rude to change anyone's post in this manner and no, it's not a kindness to do something like that publicly.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 08, 2013, 12:01:40 PM
You'll note that I said "even unobtrusively". The result is the same; it comes off as smug and superior.
I disagree, but I've agreed to disagree and follow the majority.

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What I don't understand is how you can sit there saying "I don't do it to be rude, so it's fine!" when so many of us are telling you that it comes off as offensive, condescending, and smug? So frequently on this site, we talk about how rude; how very, very rude it is when others do and say hurtful things, and how their conviction that they're totally fine because they don't see the problem doesn't negate that rudeness.

That's not what I'm saying though. I'm saying "I don't do it to be rude, I disagree that it's rude, but I see I'm in the minority, so I'll stop doing it. Since I meant it as a kindness, it would defeat the purpose to continue since I don't know whether the person would appreciate it or not". Since etiquette is about what we do, not what we think I can disagree all I want, as long as my behaviour follows the general consensus :)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 08, 2013, 12:05:20 PM
It's a typo. We're not talking about correcting misinformation, but a typo. Leave them be. I agree that it's rude to change anyone's post in this manner and no, it's not a kindness to do something like that publicly.

It's a kindness to me :) Assuming it's done unobtrusively of course. I get embarrassed when I see I've made a typo and return to correct it, so I appreciate it when other people do it for me when quoting me.

I realize I'm pretty alone in this though, and like I've already said, I'll stop doing it :)
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Surianne on February 09, 2013, 06:03:07 PM
It's a typo. We're not talking about correcting misinformation, but a typo. Leave them be. I agree that it's rude to change anyone's post in this manner and no, it's not a kindness to do something like that publicly.

It's a kindness to me :) Assuming it's done unobtrusively of course. I get embarrassed when I see I've made a typo and return to correct it, so I appreciate it when other people do it for me when quoting me.

I realize I'm pretty alone in this though, and like I've already said, I'll stop doing it :)

Hah, if it helps, I agree with you 100%.  One of those things I never in a million years would think of as rude, and I was very surprised at the unkind assumptions being made about our motivations.  I feel like a simple "I prefer that other posters not fix my typos when quoting me, please, it bothers me" would have been more polite, but it's funny how perceptions differ, eh? 

So: Maria and I will continue to fix each other's typos, but no one else's  :D
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Betelnut on February 09, 2013, 06:21:22 PM
Oh wow, I didn't realize people thought that it was rude.  I usually run the spell check feature and just automatically correct everything that comes up as a typo whether it is in a quote or not.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Mental Magpie on February 09, 2013, 06:28:56 PM
It's a typo. We're not talking about correcting misinformation, but a typo. Leave them be. I agree that it's rude to change anyone's post in this manner and no, it's not a kindness to do something like that publicly.

It's a kindness to me :) Assuming it's done unobtrusively of course. I get embarrassed when I see I've made a typo and return to correct it, so I appreciate it when other people do it for me when quoting me.

I realize I'm pretty alone in this though, and like I've already said, I'll stop doing it :)

Hah, if it helps, I agree with you 100%.  One of those things I never in a million years would think of as rude, and I was very surprised at the unkind assumptions being made about our motivations.  I feel like a simple "I prefer that other posters not fix my typos when quoting me, please, it bothers me" would have been more polite, but it's funny how perceptions differ, eh? 

So: Maria and I will continue to fix each other's typos, but no one else's  :D

I don't think anyone accused anyone of unkind motivations, and I don't think it's very nice to say we did.  All any of us said is that it comes across that way regardless of the intent behind it.  Intent doesn't immediately erase perception.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: Nibsey on February 09, 2013, 07:27:30 PM
Just another point why it might be a bad idea regardless of intent. It's no skin off my nose if someone corrects my typo's...if they're wrong. However it would drive me bonkers if someone corrected my post incorrectly. Say if I used British spelling or a local phrase that is slightly different somewhere else. My grammar is atrocious, however sometimes I may be using it incorrectly for effect. I wouldn't be a happy bunny if someone then ruined that effect. And then there seems to be major disagreements over some grammar rules. So while I get what people are saying, it just seems like a minefield to avoid.
Title: Re: Quoting & editing another post within your reply (excluding mods)
Post by: MariaE on February 10, 2013, 01:07:34 AM
Hah, if it helps, I agree with you 100%.  One of those things I never in a million years would think of as rude, and I was very surprised at the unkind assumptions being made about our motivations.  I feel like a simple "I prefer that other posters not fix my typos when quoting me, please, it bothers me" would have been more polite, but it's funny how perceptions differ, eh? 

Exactly. I was actually surprised by the vehemence of PP because I would never have dreamed that anybody would think it anything other than helpful at best, neutral at worst. Perhaps because English is my second language so I know I make heaps of mistakes in spelling and grammar both and always appreciate whennit's (kindly) pointed out to me?

Ah well, the more you know :)

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So: Maria and I will continue to fix each other's typos, but no one else's  :D

It's a deal  :D