Etiquette Hell

General Etiquette => Family and Children => Topic started by: happygrrl on March 09, 2013, 06:57:17 AM

Title: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: happygrrl on March 09, 2013, 06:57:17 AM
"I'm wondering how many of those people (the toddler-in-the-dog-park people), when asked why they brought pwecious to the dog park, would reply 'because pwecious loves doggies!' "

I debated on posting what happened yesterday, but reading this in the other thread made me decide to.

The company that I work for is in full swing of building houses on some property smack dab in the middle of our complex of office buildings. It's messy, it's noisy, and very, very dangerous with unseen holes in the ground, and equipment everywhere (I tripped in a hole yesterday when I was walking well away from the sites; just didn't see it), and bulldozers, earthmovers, and assorted really cool machinery moving around-

Anyhow, I was teaching yesterday afternoon, and a couple nonchalantly pulls in our parking space reserved for our disabled assessable bus, and proceeds to takes a 2-ish yo boy over to the site, and they just stand there. while the kid runs around.  I thought that they were looking for someone, so I just kept and eye out, and then they walked over to the other side of the main site area, and let the kid run around again. I called up to the main office to see who these people were, and no one knew, so I left my class, and went out to them, and asked if they needed help, and the mom said, "Oh no, my son just looooooves this equipment, and we thought we would show him this."  In the meantime, one of the big machines (don't know what it is) swung around with a huge section of sewer pipe and got way to close to the dad and boy (I think the operator just didn't see them).  And dad thought it was funny--"wheee, little boy's name! Look at that! Maybe he'll do it again for you!!"  About this time, a construction guy came up and told them to leave, and they did---after 10 more minutes of the kid playing on a parked bulldozer--

My question: did I behave appropriately? Should i have waited for a construction person to say something? (I didn't know if they saw them, and I didn't want anyone to get hurt.) What would you have done?
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: guihong on March 09, 2013, 08:21:39 AM
Every so often on this board, I hear something so outrageous and the OP is concerned about etiquette  :-\.  Not getting on you, happygrrl! 

I probably would not have left my class (unless someone could wait with the kids), but called the main office and told them to call the police.

Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Sharnita on March 09, 2013, 08:31:48 AM
I might have addressed where they were arked and told them they would be wise to go before somebody came to ticket or tow them.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: jaxsue on March 09, 2013, 08:44:30 AM
Looks like someone saw too many episodes of "Bob the Builder"! Because, you know, jr. should be able to play on a construction site.  :o

I'd be livid when they parked in the handicapped spot, and not just because I currently have a temp placard.

And if jr. or one of the parents had been injured, I'm sure there would have been a lawsuit.

Honestly, I'm surprised they weren't shooed from the site sooner.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: bloo on March 09, 2013, 09:11:42 AM
There is something about a construction site that screams "Public Property" to some people. When we were in the midst of building our house in the mountains a few years back (set in a few, private, wooded acres) I was startled by the number of people that would be parking on or looking around in our property while under construction.

One couple that was just 'parking' in our driveway was completely unapologetic to be, essentially, trespassing.

We have building committees that oversee building and remodeling our houses of worship and rules have tightened up for safety reasons. Everyone that wants to volunteer has to watch a safety video, has color-coded badges, has a 'supervisor' and so anyone can caution someone about being somewhere they should not be for safety reasons.

So we would instantly know if Joe Q. Public set foot on the property to take a look around and there is always someone assigned as a 'public liaison' to corral them politely and answer any question they might have and keep them somewhere out of the way and 'safe'. It's very simple - no badge=you don't belong here and so any one who notices that is obligated to introduce themselves and find out what they are doing there.

I think you were not rude. This is a safety issue and unfortunately on your construction site I guess it wasn't feasible to have the caution tape mark boundaries (in which case there should be someone in an orange vest hovering near the equipment for safety reasons - this is the person that could tell them firmly but politely to 'get lost').

Honestly, company security should have been called to shoo them out right away and someone should have radioed the big equipment operator to shut down construction until they left. Hopefully that would also embarrass the family off the property and think twice about behaving so dangerously in the future.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Thipu1 on March 09, 2013, 09:45:50 AM
With parents like these, that child will be lucky to survive to maturity.

I believe in fostering curiosity in a child but a toddler at a construction site is verging on child abuse. 

All construction sites I've seen have been enclosed in some way with controlled access.  If there isn't legislation about this, you would think the builders would do it for insurance purposes.  Personal  injury is a risk but a construction site also has to be protected against theft. 
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: JeanFromBNA on March 09, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
Fencing or caution tape is not feasible on all construction sites because it can impede equipment access.  Not all operators carry radios, and if they do, they probably couldn't hear them, anyway.  Trackhoes, bulldozers, hoe rams, dump trucks, and the like are incredibly loud.  In fact, some require hearing protection when in use.  A track hoe can swing 360 degrees - that's probably what you saw.  Combine that range with an operator unable to hear you and concentrating on the job in front of him, and you have a recipe for disaster.  If I approach a working track hoe, I ALWAYS make sure that the operator acknowledges me.  They always appreciate it.  If I have to move near their field, they will often put the arm down until I pass. 

I understand that people and little kids in particular have a fascination with heavy equipment.  But they should be watching it from a safe distance.  If they want to check out the bulldozer close up, they should ask the site supervisor or foreman.  I would find out who he is so you can bring looky loos to his attention.  It's his site, and he's ultimately responsible for what goes on there. 

Walking around when the site is quiet is a bad idea, too.  As the OP said, there are holes, dirt, materials everywhere, and if vertical construction is underway, plenty of nails.  I've seen plenty of people walking their dogs on quiet construction sites, and I think that they're nuts. 
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Katana_Geldar on March 09, 2013, 03:30:07 PM
There is something about a construction site that screams "Public Property" to some people. When we were in the midst of building our house in the mountains a few years back (set in a few, private, wooded acres) I was startled by the number of people that would be parking on or looking around in our property while under construction.

One couple that was just 'parking' in our driveway was completely unapologetic to be, essentially, trespassing.

Years ago when my parents were building our house, they caught next door neighbours coming over for a peek when the builders had gone. They saw my parents, then ran to the house next door and jumped the fence and walked around to the other side! Never said anything to us despite the fact they'd been caught red handed trespassing. And it wasn't the first time they'd been there as we'd seen them months ago before construction had started, they'd walked up from the road, seen we were there and walked back without a word. Instill don't get what they were thinking.

But a site like that sounds 10 times worse. It's a wonder the parents didn't kick up a stink, the entitled SS they seem to be.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: misha412 on March 09, 2013, 05:52:17 PM
 :o Do What!!! I am flabber-d-ghasted.

Take a toddler onto an active construction site and think that the heavy machine that gets way too close is FUN??!!!

Safety trumps etiquette. If there were ever a case this was true, this is it.

Crud Monkeys. Some parents do not think!!!  >:(
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Amanita on March 09, 2013, 06:16:48 PM
I've worked construction site security, and it's amazing how many people think that construction site = playground!
Seriously, I've chased skateboarders out of a high rose condo under construction- they were several floors up, skating on a concrete slab floor that had NOTHING but flimsy ropes strung around the edges to catch somebody if they slipped off the edge.

I've found so many lookie-loos around in the worst places, entitled wanna-be condo buyers wanting to have a stroll around, you name it!
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Mouse Isa on March 09, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
Those parents are insane!  This makes me angry.  It's one thing to encourage children to go out and explore, but this could've easily turned into a tragedy.  No doubt the parents would've sued the company, and even the city had that child been injured or worse.
I think you were fine etiquette-wise.  I wish you could've done more though.  Getting a child to safety trumps being kind.
But what's done is done, and they did leave with an unharmed tot in tow.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Alpacas on March 10, 2013, 11:15:21 AM
~ This reminds me of the Family that i once saw in our Zoo. Their 2 Kids (about 6-9 years old) climbed a small fence (that kept the visitors away from the cages) and stuck their arms through the mesh to reach for the lynx mother and her cubs.

My Niece was so appaled that she screetched "What the hades are they doing?"
I admit that i most likely was rude at that moment when i answered her "Being stupid. At least we're here as witnesses for the Zoo that it was their fault when the lynx mother rips their arms off."
Niece and me crossed our arms and watched them usher their kids away and quickly walked along.


In the OPs case i would have immediatly flagged down a construction worker and made them aware of the toddler running around on their construction site.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: delabela on March 10, 2013, 12:09:43 PM
This is absolutely insane.  I am baffled that people do this.

I think you would have been completely within your rights to say to them that actually people were not allowed in the active construction zone.  Like anyone should have to be told that.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Lady Godiva on March 10, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
They must be the same family (or cousins, at least) that stopped outside my friend's horse pasture, climbed through the fence (with electric wire and warning signs), and were trying to lift their toddler onto the back of an untrained weanling colt! When she chased them off the property in blazing non-ehell-approved terms, the father protested, "but that little horse is just a baby, he wouldn't hurt little Diddums!" Maybe he would and maybe he wouldn't, she said, but I may be forced to hurt YOU!

That pasture is now occupied by big beef steers, who are neither friendly to strangers nor likely to allow idiots to get close enough to try to ride them.

Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: learningtofly on March 11, 2013, 07:15:47 AM
Amazing.  DD loves construction equipment.  We point it out all the time and she can name more pieces than I can.  We love watching new home sbeing built near us.  But we never get out and wander the sites!  She's been on equipment at the Children's museum.  It's safe and doesn't move.  Plus we're not tresspassing.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: MrTango on March 11, 2013, 07:31:50 AM
They must be the same family (or cousins, at least) that stopped outside my friend's horse pasture, climbed through the fence (with electric wire and warning signs), and were trying to lift their toddler onto the back of an untrained weanling colt! When she chased them off the property in blazing non-ehell-approved terms, the father protested, "but that little horse is just a baby, he wouldn't hurt little Diddums!" Maybe he would and maybe he wouldn't, she said, but I may be forced to hurt YOU!

That pasture is now occupied by big beef steers, who are neither friendly to strangers nor likely to allow idiots to get close enough to try to ride them.

Yikes.  The horse owners I know would have been more likely than not to bring out a shotgun if they saw someone trespassing in their pasture.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: BeagleMommy on March 11, 2013, 11:50:30 AM
Lots of toddlers, especially boys, love big construction vehicles.  However, most parents are bright enough to know that you don't equate an active construction zone with a playground.  Doesn't "Bob the Builder" talk about safety all the time?  OP, I think you were fine, although I would report this to the site manager.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Twik on March 11, 2013, 11:55:40 AM
Another zoo story (although not really life-threatening).

I noticed two men with a few small children (obviously, Dads out for the day). The kids saw some Canada Geese up ahead, and ran towards them, arms outstretched, clearly thinking these were for petting. The dads watched calmly, with a beatific smile.

Yeah, Canada Geese are not cuddly. Suddenly, screams and toddlers returning in great haste, with dads having to suddenly switch from "Ah, adorable!" to "rescue the offspring!" mode.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Minmom3 on March 11, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
All geese bite.  Hard.  Wings hurt even more, especially when they hit you in the throat....  I got bitten on the breast by a goose, and I had a dark red mark for a few weeks that hurt like hell....  Those dads best hope their Ickle Babies never get near a swan.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: snowfire on March 11, 2013, 03:02:56 PM
Oooooh!  Swans may look pretty but they are EVIL!!!  DH & I were walking by the lake at a local park on our way to the pedal boat rental office and we were chased by a rather militant swan.  Yeah, six foot wingspan, hard beak on very long mobile neck and total hatred of any other living being.  It is amazing how fast those suckers can run.  :o
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: zyrs on March 11, 2013, 04:56:15 PM
Safety trumps etiquette, OP.  You weren't rude at all.

What were those parents thinking?  First to park in a handicapped spot - next to let a toddler just run around a construction site - next to let a toddler run around a construction site where people are working.  It hurts my head to think of all the ways that little jaunt could have ended tragically. 
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Katana_Geldar on March 11, 2013, 05:05:18 PM
Swans can be vicious, especially when they have cygnets. They can break your arm with their wings and chase you something fierce. It is funny to see their neck feather swell up and hiss like vacuum cleaners.

Spreading your arms wide and waving them will get them to back off, but you look like a loon doing it.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: jaxsue on March 12, 2013, 07:12:49 AM
All geese bite.  Hard.  Wings hurt even more, especially when they hit you in the throat....  I got bitten on the breast by a goose, and I had a dark red mark for a few weeks that hurt like hell....  Those dads best hope their Ickle Babies never get near a swan.

I'm terrified of swans.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Cz. Burrito on March 12, 2013, 09:51:24 AM
Another zoo story (although not really life-threatening).

I noticed two men with a few small children (obviously, Dads out for the day). The kids saw some Canada Geese up ahead, and ran towards them, arms outstretched, clearly thinking these were for petting. The dads watched calmly, with a beatific smile.

Yeah, Canada Geese are not cuddly. Suddenly, screams and toddlers returning in great haste, with dads having to suddenly switch from "Ah, adorable!" to "rescue the offspring!" mode.

A zoo story with a tragic ending (for the animals)-- several years ago, a child climbed up and reached into the meerkat enclosure.  She was bitten.  The child's parents didn't want her to have to "suffer" a series of rabies shots, so the entire family of meerkats was put down to test for rabies.  They were negative.  I am still livid that anybody would 1) allow their child to climb up and stick their hands out to wild animals and 2) kill innocent animals to avoid a small amount of pain to their child (rabies shots are much less invasive/painful than they used to be, but in any case, I think the shot should be preferred over killing animals that show no outward signs of being ill).

And this was no toddler.  The child was NINE.  Old enough to know better.  Old enough to understand rabies shots as a consequence for her behavior.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=131535
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: MrTango on March 12, 2013, 09:57:20 AM
Another zoo story (although not really life-threatening).

I noticed two men with a few small children (obviously, Dads out for the day). The kids saw some Canada Geese up ahead, and ran towards them, arms outstretched, clearly thinking these were for petting. The dads watched calmly, with a beatific smile.

Yeah, Canada Geese are not cuddly. Suddenly, screams and toddlers returning in great haste, with dads having to suddenly switch from "Ah, adorable!" to "rescue the offspring!" mode.

A zoo story with a tragic ending (for the animals)-- several years ago, a child climbed up and reached into the meerkat enclosure.  She was bitten.  The child's parents didn't want her to have to "suffer" a series of rabies shots, so the entire family of meerkats was put down to test for rabies.  They were negative.  I am still livid that anybody would 1) allow their child to climb up and stick their hands out to wild animals and 2) kill innocent animals to avoid a small amount of pain to their child (rabies shots are much less invasive/painful than they used to be, but in any case, I think the shot should be preferred over killing animals that show no outward signs of being ill).

And this was no toddler.  The child was NINE.  Old enough to know better. 

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=131535

If I were running the zoo, I would have said "you can choose to get her tested or choose not to get her tested.  We will not be putting down a single animal on account of your failure to parent your child."
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Sharnita on March 12, 2013, 09:59:32 AM
Maybe the indurance company or pre-existing policies didn't give the zoo an option to refuse.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: MrTango on March 12, 2013, 10:01:49 AM
Maybe the indurance company or pre-existing policies didn't give the zoo an option to refuse.

That's possible, I suppose.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Cz. Burrito on March 12, 2013, 10:02:51 AM
Maybe the indurance company or pre-existing policies didn't give the zoo an option to refuse.

The law didn't give the zoo an opportunity to refuse; I believe they were legally required to kill the animals if the parents wouldn't take the girl in for rabies shots.   
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: bah12 on March 12, 2013, 10:22:49 AM
"I'm wondering how many of those people (the toddler-in-the-dog-park people), when asked why they brought pwecious to the dog park, would reply 'because pwecious loves doggies!' "

I debated on posting what happened yesterday, but reading this in the other thread made me decide to.

The company that I work for is in full swing of building houses on some property smack dab in the middle of our complex of office buildings. It's messy, it's noisy, and very, very dangerous with unseen holes in the ground, and equipment everywhere (I tripped in a hole yesterday when I was walking well away from the sites; just didn't see it), and bulldozers, earthmovers, and assorted really cool machinery moving around-

Anyhow, I was teaching yesterday afternoon, and a couple nonchalantly pulls in our parking space reserved for our disabled assessable bus, and proceeds to takes a 2-ish yo boy over to the site, and they just stand there. while the kid runs around.  I thought that they were looking for someone, so I just kept and eye out, and then they walked over to the other side of the main site area, and let the kid run around again. I called up to the main office to see who these people were, and no one knew, so I left my class, and went out to them, and asked if they needed help, and the mom said, "Oh no, my son just looooooves this equipment, and we thought we would show him this."  In the meantime, one of the big machines (don't know what it is) swung around with a huge section of sewer pipe and got way to close to the dad and boy (I think the operator just didn't see them).  And dad thought it was funny--"wheee, little boy's name! Look at that! Maybe he'll do it again for you!!"  About this time, a construction guy came up and told them to leave, and they did---after 10 more minutes of the kid playing on a parked bulldozer--

My question: did I behave appropriately? Should i have waited for a construction person to say something? (I didn't know if they saw them, and I didn't want anyone to get hurt.) What would you have done?

This isn't even an etiquette issue but one of safety.  I do not even know of a construction site that would tolerate visitors, of any age, who were not there on official business.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Minmom3 on March 12, 2013, 11:04:42 AM
Swans can be vicious, especially when they have cygnets. They can break your arm with their wings and chase you something fierce. It is funny to see their neck feather swell up and hiss like vacuum cleaners.

Spreading your arms wide and waving them will get them to back off, but you look like a loon doing it.

Snerk...  Looking like a loon isn't likely to frighten a swan!  I'm not sure WHAT would really frighten a swan.  They're big birds.  The only thing that made my gander back off was a foot to his chest.  I was bending down to pick up and refill their water bucket, and he attacked me, and would NOT back off.  I stuck a foot out to stop him, which ended up being flat on his chest while he tried to overpower my leg, and I balanced on the other leg while picking up the bucket, and shuffling backwards as fast as I could.  Must have been pretty silly to see, but I did NOT want to fall down and have his irate self land on top of me.  He was defending his mate and the eggs, so I understood, but that didn't make it any more pleasant to have happen.  I ended up giving them away because they would even attack me as I filled up their feeder.  I decided I wasn't paying out $10 a week for something that disliked me that badly, no matter how much I loved the eggs.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Minmom3 on March 12, 2013, 11:08:27 AM
Another zoo story (although not really life-threatening).

I noticed two men with a few small children (obviously, Dads out for the day). The kids saw some Canada Geese up ahead, and ran towards them, arms outstretched, clearly thinking these were for petting. The dads watched calmly, with a beatific smile.

Yeah, Canada Geese are not cuddly. Suddenly, screams and toddlers returning in great haste, with dads having to suddenly switch from "Ah, adorable!" to "rescue the offspring!" mode.

A zoo story with a tragic ending (for the animals)-- several years ago, a child climbed up and reached into the meerkat enclosure.  She was bitten.  The child's parents didn't want her to have to "suffer" a series of rabies shots, so the entire family of meerkats was put down to test for rabies.  They were negative.  I am still livid that anybody would 1) allow their child to climb up and stick their hands out to wild animals and 2) kill innocent animals to avoid a small amount of pain to their child (rabies shots are much less invasive/painful than they used to be, but in any case, I think the shot should be preferred over killing animals that show no outward signs of being ill).

And this was no toddler.  The child was NINE.  Old enough to know better. 

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=131535

If I were running the zoo, I would have said "you can choose to get her tested or choose not to get her tested.  We will not be putting down a single animal on account of your failure to parent your child."

I seriously doubt the state law gave them that choice.  Humans ALWAYS have more rights than animals, no matter that they should ALSO have more brains and common sense and so frequently fail miserably.  I remember reading about that incident, here and elsewhere, and it was sickening.  I would have defriended them then and there if I had actually known them.  Horrible selfish people.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: GreenEyedHawk on March 12, 2013, 11:23:47 AM
The parents in the OP are lucky...VERY lucky...to not have lost their child.  There are a million ways to be injured or killed on an active construction site and construction workers are not looking out for children....they don't expect to see them on site because parents are supposed to be smarter than that.  I don't know that I wouldn't have called the foreman...or the cops....to deal with these morons.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: SiotehCat on March 12, 2013, 11:31:16 AM
"I'm wondering how many of those people (the toddler-in-the-dog-park people), when asked why they brought pwecious to the dog park, would reply 'because pwecious loves doggies!' "

I debated on posting what happened yesterday, but reading this in the other thread made me decide to.

The company that I work for is in full swing of building houses on some property smack dab in the middle of our complex of office buildings. It's messy, it's noisy, and very, very dangerous with unseen holes in the ground, and equipment everywhere (I tripped in a hole yesterday when I was walking well away from the sites; just didn't see it), and bulldozers, earthmovers, and assorted really cool machinery moving around-

Anyhow, I was teaching yesterday afternoon, and a couple nonchalantly pulls in our parking space reserved for our disabled assessable bus, and proceeds to takes a 2-ish yo boy over to the site, and they just stand there. while the kid runs around.  I thought that they were looking for someone, so I just kept and eye out, and then they walked over to the other side of the main site area, and let the kid run around again. I called up to the main office to see who these people were, and no one knew, so I left my class, and went out to them, and asked if they needed help, and the mom said, "Oh no, my son just looooooves this equipment, and we thought we would show him this."  In the meantime, one of the big machines (don't know what it is) swung around with a huge section of sewer pipe and got way to close to the dad and boy (I think the operator just didn't see them).  And dad thought it was funny--"wheee, little boy's name! Look at that! Maybe he'll do it again for you!!"  About this time, a construction guy came up and told them to leave, and they did---after 10 more minutes of the kid playing on a parked bulldozer--

My question: did I behave appropriately? Should i have waited for a construction person to say something? (I didn't know if they saw them, and I didn't want anyone to get hurt.) What would you have done?

This isn't even an etiquette issue but one of safety.  I do not even know of a construction site that would tolerate visitors, of any age, who were not there on official business.

When I was a Cub Scout leader, we organized a visit to a construction site. I was unable to go, but the boys toured the site and learned about all the equipment. It sounded pretty cool.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: bah12 on March 12, 2013, 12:07:19 PM
"I'm wondering how many of those people (the toddler-in-the-dog-park people), when asked why they brought pwecious to the dog park, would reply 'because pwecious loves doggies!' "

I debated on posting what happened yesterday, but reading this in the other thread made me decide to.

The company that I work for is in full swing of building houses on some property smack dab in the middle of our complex of office buildings. It's messy, it's noisy, and very, very dangerous with unseen holes in the ground, and equipment everywhere (I tripped in a hole yesterday when I was walking well away from the sites; just didn't see it), and bulldozers, earthmovers, and assorted really cool machinery moving around-

Anyhow, I was teaching yesterday afternoon, and a couple nonchalantly pulls in our parking space reserved for our disabled assessable bus, and proceeds to takes a 2-ish yo boy over to the site, and they just stand there. while the kid runs around.  I thought that they were looking for someone, so I just kept and eye out, and then they walked over to the other side of the main site area, and let the kid run around again. I called up to the main office to see who these people were, and no one knew, so I left my class, and went out to them, and asked if they needed help, and the mom said, "Oh no, my son just looooooves this equipment, and we thought we would show him this."  In the meantime, one of the big machines (don't know what it is) swung around with a huge section of sewer pipe and got way to close to the dad and boy (I think the operator just didn't see them).  And dad thought it was funny--"wheee, little boy's name! Look at that! Maybe he'll do it again for you!!"  About this time, a construction guy came up and told them to leave, and they did---after 10 more minutes of the kid playing on a parked bulldozer--

My question: did I behave appropriately? Should i have waited for a construction person to say something? (I didn't know if they saw them, and I didn't want anyone to get hurt.) What would you have done?

This isn't even an etiquette issue but one of safety.  I do not even know of a construction site that would tolerate visitors, of any age, who were not there on official business.

When I was a Cub Scout leader, we organized a visit to a construction site. I was unable to go, but the boys toured the site and learned about all the equipment. It sounded pretty cool.

We do that on our project as well...a preorganized/coordinated visit counts as official business.  Every construction site that I know of would immediately escort off anyone that wasn't there officially. 
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: MindsEye on March 12, 2013, 12:36:27 PM
Maybe the indurance company or pre-existing policies didn't give the zoo an option to refuse.

The law didn't give the zoo an opportunity to refuse; I believe they were legally required to kill the animals if the parents wouldn't take the girl in for rabies shots.

I always thought that the zoo should have turned around and sued the family for the full cost of replacing the meerkats. 
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Just Lori on March 12, 2013, 12:54:11 PM
I probably would have notified someone on the construction site.   I understand that safety was an issue, but the company may very well have a specific plan for dealing with trespassers, and if it's that easy for someone to access the site, they may need to come up with a Plan B for liability reasons.  They shouldn't be relying on people like the OP to run interference for them.  Please understand - in a perfect world people would have the common sense to stay away from a job site.  But the world is far from perfect, people often lack common sense, and the company should be aware of these problems.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Outdoor Girl on March 12, 2013, 01:05:32 PM
Anyhow, I was teaching yesterday afternoon, and a couple nonchalantly pulls in our parking space reserved for our disabled assessable bus, and proceeds to takes a 2-ish yo boy over to the site, and they just stand there. while the kid runs around.  I thought that they were looking for someone, so I just kept and eye out, and then they walked over to the other side of the main site area, and let the kid run around again. I called up to the main office to see who these people were, and no one knew, so I left my class, and went out to them, and asked if they needed help, and the mom said, "Oh no, my son just looooooves this equipment, and we thought we would show him this."  In the meantime, one of the big machines (don't know what it is) swung around with a huge section of sewer pipe and got way to close to the dad and boy (I think the operator just didn't see them).  And dad thought it was funny--"wheee, little boy's name! Look at that! Maybe he'll do it again for you!!"  About this time, a construction guy came up and told them to leave, and they did---after 10 more minutes of the kid playing on a parked bulldozer--
OP, you were fine to say something; the construction guys might not have noticed them.

But I think I would have called the cops, on the parking in a handicapped space alone.  It would have been a good reason to get the cops there and maybe the nice police(wo)man could knock some common sense into those parents' heads.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Marbles on March 12, 2013, 08:43:36 PM
I'm horrified that this couple thought that this was acceptible. The parking in a disabled spot, actually going on the site, playing on the equipment... I may have to have a moment.

My boys and I went to watch a road crew replace a section fo sewer pipe near our house for a bit yesterday. And, yes, the big machines are wonderful, but we stayed on the sidewalk across the street from where they were working. We were rewarded at lunchtime by one of the crew letting us come over and look in the hole they dug.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Sharnita on March 12, 2013, 09:11:31 PM
OP, I think you mentioned that is where the disabled bus parks?  Is it marked somehow - either with typical handicapped signs or something specially suited to your school?
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: onikenbai on March 13, 2013, 08:41:47 PM
Construction sites like those are private property, and are hard to control because of their size.  It's just not feasible to put a fence around them.  As a result, you get morons.  I'm very surprised the family didn't get evicted from the site instantly because if the kid had got hurt, there would have been serious consequences.  If it had happened in Ontario, it's entirely possible that the site supervisor could have ended up in prison over it.  At the very least there would have been major fines levied against the construction company by the Ministry of Labour.  Giant construction equipment aside, what would have happened if the kid got a nail through the foot because he wasn't wearing steel plate shoes or slashed himself on a stray scrap of metal sheeting?  Heavy equipment sitting in mud isn't as safe as it appears to be, even if it's turned off as you can still get your fingers stuck in stuff, and they do shift in the mud.  There are a hundred random ways to die on a construction site.  You can't really fault the heavy equipment operator in this case for nearly clocking the kid because the visibility out of those things is absolutely hideous, but guy should have had a spotter, especially if the site is within eye line of a school.

As a visiting contractor on a construction site with next to zero authority, I've evicted people from a site for way less moronic actions.  You're all good.  Even if you were rude about it (which you weren't) sometime people need the rude butt kick to wake them up to the stupidity of their actions.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: LifeOnPluto on March 13, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Stupid, rude and entitled (the family, not you, OP).

You would have been fine in telling them to leave. And if they refused, contacting the site manager to see if they could send security personnel over to escort them from the site.

What's the odds that if the little boy had been injured, the parents would have blamed the equipment operator, on the basis that "they should have been looking out for Junior!"?
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Lady Godiva on March 13, 2013, 11:34:12 PM
One thing that will scare off a rearing swan is a rearing horse.

My grandfather got two beautiful white swans evil avian terrorists for the river behind his place, and gave them fairy tale names, Hansel and Gretel. They began a reign of terror--they routed fishermen, attacked boats & canoes, wouldn't let anyone swim or picnic and they chased my poor grandmother back to the house, 100 yards uphill, hissing, biting and pecking and whomping with their wings. They wouldn't let my pony drink out of the river, and lugging buckets past the swan patrol was hazardous duty. A friend had a horse that would rear up on command, like Hi Yo Silver. We took the horse down to the river--the swan reared up, then the horse reared up, and the swan bullies turned tail and retreated. After that we could chase them on horseback, and we got our revenge with swan roundups, but you never wanted to get caught on foot!
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Minmom3 on March 14, 2013, 12:59:08 PM
This is funny - as long as it's you telling the tale - and I'm just listening.  I WISH you had video of it, it must have been funny as all get out!  Glad I never had to deal with swans....  My only contact with swans has been them swimming away snootily while I handed out bread to geese and ducks.
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: happygrrl on March 14, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
OP here--

Thanks for all of the replies, and while it was indeed a safety issue first and foremost, I think that I was dumbstruck enough at first to think they were waiting for one of the crew members. By the time I realized that probably was not the case, they were on the other side of the site, and I just "assumed" they had left, so i started back on the session (I am an RN and teach fundamentals to incoming staff, so no kids), and got back into the discussion. Then they came back, and you al know the rest of the story... :)

I think I may have confused my actions with ettiqutte vs. legal issues here, and so I apologize for my error. 
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Sunbeem on March 14, 2013, 07:06:09 PM
A zoo story with a tragic ending (for the animals)-- several years ago, a child climbed up and reached into the meerkat enclosure.  She was bitten.  The child's parents didn't want her to have to "suffer" a series of rabies shots, so the entire family of meerkats was put down to test for rabies.  They were negative.  I am still livid that anybody would 1) allow their child to climb up and stick their hands out to wild animals and 2) kill innocent animals to avoid a small amount of pain to their child (rabies shots are much less invasive/painful than they used to be, but in any case, I think the shot should be preferred over killing animals that show no outward signs of being ill).
And this was no toddler.  The child was NINE.  Old enough to know better.  Old enough to understand rabies shots as a consequence for her behavior.
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=131535

I remember that story!!!!!  I lived in MN (it was the Minnesota Zoo where it happened) at the time; I was so mad at that stupid 9 yr old and those horrible parents. 

On a lighter note, there was an occasion when a child fell into the gorilla exhibit, and a female gorilla gently picked him up and carried him to the zookeeper access door. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/17/us/gorilla-at-an-illinois-zoo-rescues-a-3-year-old-boy.html
Title: Re: S/O of Dog park: Toddlers and active construction site
Post by: Veronica on March 14, 2013, 07:12:57 PM
A zoo story with a tragic ending (for the animals)-- several years ago, a child climbed up and reached into the meerkat enclosure.  She was bitten.  The child's parents didn't want her to have to "suffer" a series of rabies shots, so the entire family of meerkats was put down to test for rabies.  They were negative.  I am still livid that anybody would 1) allow their child to climb up and stick their hands out to wild animals and 2) kill innocent animals to avoid a small amount of pain to their child (rabies shots are much less invasive/painful than they used to be, but in any case, I think the shot should be preferred over killing animals that show no outward signs of being ill).
And this was no toddler.  The child was NINE.  Old enough to know better.  Old enough to understand rabies shots as a consequence for her behavior.
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=131535

I remember that story!!!!!  I lived in MN (it was the Minnesota Zoo where it happened) at the time; I was so mad at that stupid 9 yr old and those horrible parents. 

On a lighter note, there was an occasion when a child fell into the gorilla exhibit, and a female gorilla gently picked him up and carried him to the zookeeper access door. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/17/us/gorilla-at-an-illinois-zoo-rescues-a-3-year-old-boy.html

Yes, and the kid and the gorilla were both doing fine (at least as of a few years ago).   :)