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Title: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bijou on April 07, 2013, 04:42:07 PM
Clique...
'Click' or 'Kleek'?
I say click.  My husband says kleek.  As it turns out, either is correct.  Kleek used to be the correct pronunciation, but over time click is so common that it has become the norm, at least in the USA.

Any other words?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Julia Mercer on April 07, 2013, 04:48:31 PM
Queue, I say Cue, and I know someone who INSISTED it was pronounced cwayway, no matter how much I said, no, it's CUE! Then again, she was a piece of work in general  ::)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: unnalee on April 07, 2013, 05:07:22 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Jones on April 07, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
Coupon.

Coo-pon vs. cue-pon.

I've used both depending on to whom I am speaking.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: rosegirl on April 07, 2013, 06:15:45 PM
Tuesday. People who say Chewsday drive me batty!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 07, 2013, 06:25:53 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.

There is an insurance commercial where they actually say it the "right" way - the first way you describe.  It always cracks me up and makes me wonder if somebody from Michigan was working on the commercial and insisted on that pronunciation.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bijou on April 07, 2013, 07:25:00 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.
Yes, on the sauna.  I'm a Finnish-Portuguese and it bothers me to have the sah in sauna.  It seems that new pronunciation came about with the popularity of spas. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bijou on April 07, 2013, 07:26:20 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.

There is an insurance commercial where they actually say it the "right" way - the first way you describe.  It always cracks me up and makes me wonder if somebody from Michigan was working on the commercial and insisted on that pronunciation.
I love that!  I saw it, too, and had to go back and look again and draw it to my husband's attention. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Library Dragon on April 07, 2013, 07:29:29 PM
Tuesday. People who say Chewsday drive me batty!

I'll ax you about it again on Chewsday.   ;)

Really! It's A-S-K!  Not a difficult word.

DS1 hates when people text K.  He asks them how much time they saved by not texting OK.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 07, 2013, 07:50:16 PM
Usually so it rhymes with birds.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 07, 2013, 07:53:30 PM
Okay, now a not-so-smartbutt answer.  :P

Living in Philly, the stuff that comes out of the tap is either "wooder", or "wadder".  That t in the middle?  Hallucination, it's really a d.

Also, I pronounce sauna as "sawh-nah", but that's because in American English, at least, the "au" is pronounced like the word "awe".  Fauna.  Auburn.  Maul.  Cauliflower.  (Although I've also heard "call-i-flower" for that)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: CakeBeret on April 07, 2013, 08:53:36 PM
I grew up in Missouri, and the number of people who pronounce it Missour-uh are un.be.lievable.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: JustEstelle on April 07, 2013, 10:19:28 PM
The pronunciation of a couple of towns here in north Texas has been known to make people's heads explode:  Joshua and Rio Vista.  Natives pronounce them "Josh-uh-way" and "Rye-o-vista."  Kid you not.  And the town up the road from me, Italy, is pronounced "Itt-lee."

Then there's also Bexar County (sounds like Bayer) and Mexia (Muh-HAY-yuh).  Oh, and the Brazos (brazz-us) River.

Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: doodlemor on April 07, 2013, 10:48:03 PM
For a small stream, some people say creek, and others say crick. 

For the word lilacs I know people who say li-lacks, and others say li-locks.  Either way - the li-lack leaves are starting to bud at my house, and the little flowers will sure smell good in a few weeks.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Promise on April 07, 2013, 11:16:15 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.

I knew you had to be from Michigan. I learned to say it there and when I went elsewhere, I wondered why they didn't know how to say it!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 07, 2013, 11:20:27 PM
Clique - both interchangably
Queue is cue
SAW-na
COO-pon
Li-lack
Creek
Col-E-flower

Tuesday. People who say Chewsday drive me batty!

TEWSday not TOOSday

I don't understand why Americans don't pronounced the "L" is solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 07, 2013, 11:27:40 PM
Clique - both interchangably
Queue is cue
SAW-na
COO-pon
Li-lack
Creek
Col-E-flower

Tuesday. People who say Chewsday drive me batty!

TEWSday not TOOSday

I don't understand why Americans don't pronounced the "L" is solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 07, 2013, 11:38:41 PM
Clique - both interchangably
Queue is cue
SAW-na
COO-pon
Li-lack
Creek
Col-E-flower

Tuesday. People who say Chewsday drive me batty!

TEWSday not TOOSday

I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 12:18:47 AM
Clique - both interchangably
Queue is cue
SAW-na
COO-pon
Li-lack
Creek
Col-E-flower

Tuesday. People who say Chewsday drive me batty!

TEWSday not TOOSday

I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?

Because if it rhymed with folder and colder it would sound odd?  :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: zyrs on April 08, 2013, 12:38:44 AM
My first instinct is to say don't ask me.  I just realized after 55 years that I was pronouncing 'opaque' incorrectly.  Looking at it it doesn't have a 'g' anywhere ...
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 01:11:38 AM
I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?

Because if it rhymed with folder and colder it would sound odd?  :)

Oh but it doesn't!  It sounds RIGHT!  Trust me.  The "L" is pronounced here :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 01:23:02 AM
I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?

Because if it rhymed with folder and colder it would sound odd?  :)

Oh but it doesn't!  It sounds RIGHT!  Trust me.  The "L" is pronounced here :)
So is it "sahl-der" or "sole-der"?  Because both sound bizarre to my ears.  Sole-der sounds like a mispronunciation of soldier, and sahl-der sounds like a bad impression of a Southern drawl saying Saudi.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 01:28:16 AM
I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?

Because if it rhymed with folder and colder it would sound odd?  :)

Oh but it doesn't!  It sounds RIGHT!  Trust me.  The "L" is pronounced here :)
So is it "sahl-der" or "sole-der"?  Because both sound bizarre to my ears.  Sole-der sounds like a mispronunciation of soldier, and sahl-der sounds like a bad impression of a Southern drawl saying Saudi.

SOLE-der.  It really does rhyme with folder and colder.

Soldier comes out more like Sole-Ja.  So, similar but distinguishable.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 01:38:56 AM
I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?

Because if it rhymed with folder and colder it would sound odd?  :)

Oh but it doesn't!  It sounds RIGHT!  Trust me.  The "L" is pronounced here :)
So is it "sahl-der" or "sole-der"?  Because both sound bizarre to my ears.  Sole-der sounds like a mispronunciation of soldier, and sahl-der sounds like a bad impression of a Southern drawl saying Saudi.

SOLE-der.  It really does rhyme with folder and colder.

Soldier comes out more like Sole-Ja.  So, similar but distinguishable.

Ah, but here, soldier is pronounced sole-jer.  So sole-der would be very, *very* similar.

And what's up with advertisement being "ad-ver-tiz-ment"?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 01:57:37 AM
I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?

Because if it rhymed with folder and colder it would sound odd?  :)

Oh but it doesn't!  It sounds RIGHT!  Trust me.  The "L" is pronounced here :)
So is it "sahl-der" or "sole-der"?  Because both sound bizarre to my ears.  Sole-der sounds like a mispronunciation of soldier, and sahl-der sounds like a bad impression of a Southern drawl saying Saudi.

SOLE-der.  It really does rhyme with folder and colder.

Soldier comes out more like Sole-Ja.  So, similar but distinguishable.

Ah, but here, soldier is pronounced sole-jer.  So sole-der would be very, *very* similar.

And what's up with advertisement being "ad-ver-tiz-ment"?

Well, solder could also be Sole-da, depending on how ocker the speaker is.

I would say Ad-VER-tis-ment.  Not AD-vert-TIZE-ment.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Slartibartfast on April 08, 2013, 02:04:41 AM
What the heck is an acai and how do you pronounce its berries?  I assumed it was "uh-KAY" until I saw some commercial calling it "ah-sah-EE" and now I'm wondering whether I just made up my own pronunciation or whether there's more than one.  I'm pretty sure all the contestants on "RuPaul's Drag Race" a few seasons ago pronounced it my way  :P
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 08, 2013, 05:49:08 AM
I don't understand why Americans don't pronounce the "L" in solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal).  Why do you say sawder?

Also - Aluminium.  Do you spell it differently?  I never hear the second "I" pronounced.

Actually, I usually hear solder pronounced "sodder".  And we do indeed spell Aluminum... uh, aluminum.  Heck, my spell check thinks your way is wrong...

Well, there's still no "L" in sodder.  Anyone know why?

Because if it rhymed with folder and colder it would sound odd?  :)

Oh but it doesn't!  It sounds RIGHT!  Trust me.  The "L" is pronounced here :)
So is it "sahl-der" or "sole-der"?  Because both sound bizarre to my ears.  Sole-der sounds like a mispronunciation of soldier, and sahl-der sounds like a bad impression of a Southern drawl saying Saudi.

SOLE-der.  It really does rhyme with folder and colder.

Soldier comes out more like Sole-Ja.  So, similar but distinguishable.

So we don't pronounce the "l" for the same reason you don't seem to pronounce the "r" in soldier
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 08, 2013, 06:32:05 AM
In the US, Aluminium is spelled without the second 'i' so our pronunciation matches our spelling. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: HoneyBee42 on April 08, 2013, 07:15:02 AM
Clique --- click (never heard it pronounced any other way)
Queue -- cue
Coupon -- cue-pon
Lilac -- lie-lack
Tuesday ---- twos-day (like the number pluralized)
advertisement --- ad-ver-TIZE-ment (but usually, just "ad")

One of the ones that used to bug me--portrait.  In the city I used to live in, there was this photo finishing place that ran ads on TV for their "portrait service".  Now, I have always pronounced and heard it pronounced as "POOR-trit"  According to the dictionary, there is also a correct pronunciation that sounds more like "POOR-trait" (note that the emphasis stays on that first syllable?).  This fellow, however, pronounced it "poor-TRAIT" about seven times in thirty seconds.

On pronunciations of place names that might want to make your head explode--not too terribly far from where I live, there are towns named Cairo and Vienna--KAY-ro (like the corn syrup brand) and VIE-an-na (like vie and the name Anna put together), respectively.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: guihong on April 08, 2013, 07:28:29 AM
What the heck is an acai and how do you pronounce its berries?  I assumed it was "uh-KAY" until I saw some commercial calling it "ah-sah-EE" and now I'm wondering whether I just made up my own pronunciation or whether there's more than one.  I'm pretty sure all the contestants on "RuPaul's Drag Race" a few seasons ago pronounced it my way  :P

It's a kind of palm tree, pronounced "uh-sigh-EE".  I too thought it was "uh-KAY".

And Honeybee, the city in Egypt is "KIE-ro", the city in Illinois (btw, "ill-in-OY") is KAY-roe ;).

What is Chipotle?  I now say "chi-POTE-lay", but that doesn't seem right.  You don't want to  know how long I thought it was "chi-POTTLE".

I call the white broccoli-like food "COW-uh-flower", but I guess I'm wrong there, too .

I've not heard "POOR-trit", but always "POUR-tret".









Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 08:18:08 AM
Trimming for length.

SOLE-der.  It really does rhyme with folder and colder.

Soldier comes out more like Sole-Ja.  So, similar but distinguishable.

So we don't pronounce the "l" for the same reason you don't seem to pronounce the "r" in soldier

Hmm, I guess.  But we generally don't say a strong "R" on anything in the same way that Americans do.  Its not so much that the R not said, its just not as distinguishable due to our accent.

Do you feel like you're pronouncing the "L" and I'm just not hearing it, or is it like a silent letter?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 08, 2013, 08:22:22 AM
It is silent
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bopper on April 08, 2013, 09:38:08 AM
Solder
Salmon

SOmetimes the L is silent.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: wx4caster on April 08, 2013, 09:58:25 AM
Scallops - scall rhymes with all and hall not Hal.  Hearing it wrong makes my ears itch.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 08, 2013, 09:59:32 AM
You know, I don't see any difference between the pronunciation of 'Poor-trit' and 'Pour-trit'. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: perpetua on April 08, 2013, 10:01:15 AM
I call the white broccoli-like food "COW-uh-flower", but I guess I'm wrong there, too .

You mean cauliflower? It's 'Colly-flower'.

Trimming for length.

SOLE-der.  It really does rhyme with folder and colder.

Soldier comes out more like Sole-Ja.  So, similar but distinguishable.

So we don't pronounce the "l" for the same reason you don't seem to pronounce the "r" in soldier

Hmm, I guess.  But we generally don't say a strong "R" on anything in the same way that Americans do.  Its not so much that the R not said, its just not as distinguishable due to our accent.


That's true, but the American pronunciation of 'mirror' has always confused me, since the Rs are so strong over there and the middle ones seem not to be pronounced at all: to my British ears, I hear them saying 'Meer', where as here it would be 'Mi-ruh'.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: 2littlemonkeys on April 08, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.

LOL!

I went to school in Marquette and was schooled on the correct way to pronounce that word.  And now...everyone looks at me funny when I do.   ;D
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 10:28:52 AM
Scallops - scall rhymes with all and hall not Hal.  Hearing it wrong makes my ears itch.

So it rhymes with trollop?  Oh you naughty little fishy...
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: nutraxfornerves on April 08, 2013, 11:04:06 AM
Quote
But we generally don't say a strong "R" on anything in the same way that Americans do.  Its not so much that the R not said, its just not as distinguishable due to our accent.

What you are talking about is whether your dialect of English is rhotic or non-rhotic. "Rhotic" comes from the Greek letter "rho" or R. Essentially, it has to do with how you treat "R" when it comes after a vowel. Do you pronounce it or do you use it as an indicator of how the vowel is sounded.

An easy way to tell if your accent is rhotic or non-rhotic is to say "father" and "farther." If you pronounced them the same, more or less like "fah-thah," then you are non-rhotic. If you say something like "fah-thurr" and "farr-thurr" you are rhotic.

Most Americans are rhotic; most speakers of British English are not.

This causes problems when people try to explain pronunciation when writing,  without using IPA (international phonetic alphabet) which many people don't know.

I once saw information on Mexican food, written by someone in the UK, that suggested pronunciations like tarco and salsar. Looked pretty startling to me, but for a non-rhotic accent, the extra R tells you to say "tah-co" and "sahl-sah."

There is a local radio broadcaster, originally from Ireland, who says that a sponsoring restaurant sells "tack-os."
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: BeagleMommy on April 08, 2013, 11:54:41 AM
Oh, I have so many that I would need 10-20 posts just to name them all.  I'll keep to local (NEPA) mispronunciations.

axe - ask
dahg - dog (sounds like a Boston accent with a more nasal tone)
chimbley - chimney (although chi-min-ee is running a close second)
dis, dat, dem, dese, dose, dere - this, that, them, these, those, there (PLEASE people!  There is a "th" in there)
gooms - gums (as in the things that hold your teeth in your mouth)
Doverman Pincher - Doberman Pinscher
drownded - drowned
torTILLa - tortilla
kwehsahDILLa - quesadilla
fillum - film
tanks - thanks
Sayerday - Saturday
Eyetalian - Italian
skettie or pahsketti - spaghetti (I don't mind when small children do this; but grown ups?  ::))

A personal pet peeve is when people pronounce the abbreviation for avenue (Ave.).  It just irritates the ehell out of me!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: reflection5 on April 08, 2013, 12:26:46 PM
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Eyetalian - Italian

This one makes me cringe.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 08, 2013, 12:33:33 PM
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Eyetalian - Italian

This one makes me cringe.

Where I grew up 'Italian' could and did become 'EYE - tralian'. 

Let us not go there.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Lovemykids on April 08, 2013, 12:39:25 PM

A personal pet peeve is when people pronounce the abbreviation for avenue (Ave.).  It just irritates the ehell out of me!

Ha!  A road near my college was "Bryn Mawr Ave.," always pronounced "Ave.," and never called "Bryn Mawr Avenue."  Thanks for the memory!

One of the homes I lived in growing up (on a military base) was on Buena Vista Avenue.  Pronounced by the locals, "Bewna Vizta."  Drove me nuts.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 08, 2013, 12:46:30 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.

I grew up in NW MI, under the bridge (AKA troll), and I'd forgotten about this. We did say it the way you did, but everywhere else I've lived it's been saw-na. I still say it closer to your way, even after all these years.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 08, 2013, 12:55:44 PM
I live near NYC, and my friends here have a good laugh over how I say words. A good example is: Mary, marry, merry. I say them all the same. They say them differently.

My issue is that I have so many language influences. I was raised in the upper midwest, but by English Canadian parents. Then I married a guy from the south and lived there over 20 yrs. Now I live in the NE. I pick up a little bit from every place I live. And, interestingly, when I visited N. Ireland several years ago for some reason I slipped into the English Canadian accent without even thinking about it. Everyone there was convinced I was Canadian!  :)

I have a lot of language pet peeves, but a big one is sherbet. I hear "sherbert" all the time (BTW, the spellcheck on this site tagged that as being misspelled). At my local ice cream place, it's spelled that way.  :P
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on April 08, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
I live near NYC, and my friends here have a good laugh over how I say words. A good example is: Mary, marry, merry. I say them all the same. They say them differently.


Mary, marry and merry all sound exactly the same to me. They rhyme with Kerrie, hairy and bury. :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
I live near NYC, and my friends here have a good laugh over how I say words. A good example is: Mary, marry, merry. I say them all the same. They say them differently.


Mary, marry and merry all sound exactly the same to me. They rhyme with Kerrie, hairy and bury. :)

Mary and marry sound slightly similar to me, but neither could be confused with merry.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 08, 2013, 02:06:50 PM
I live near NYC, and my friends here have a good laugh over how I say words. A good example is: Mary, marry, merry. I say them all the same. They say them differently.


Mary, marry and merry all sound exactly the same to me. They rhyme with Kerrie, hairy and bury. :)

Yep.  :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Ms_Cellany on April 08, 2013, 02:16:39 PM
Re chipotle:

It's chip-POTE-lay.  "chip-poh-dull" drives me crazy.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: NestHolder on April 08, 2013, 03:03:53 PM
A lot of Harry Potter fanfic makes play with the idea that 'Sirius' and 'serious' are pronounced the same way.

They aren't!

I remember reading Mir jokes a few years ago, and finding them baffling, because I (a southern English woman) had never until that time heard anyone pronounce 'mirror' as 'meer'.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
A lot of Harry Potter fanfic makes play with the idea that 'Sirius' and 'serious' are pronounced the same way.

They aren't!

I remember reading Mir jokes a few years ago, and finding them baffling, because I (a southern English woman) had never until that time heard anyone pronounce 'mirror' as 'meer'.

I've never heard either serious or Sirius pronounced as anything other than "seer-ee-us"  Even from astronomers on The Science Chanel.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Kaora on April 08, 2013, 03:35:55 PM
Mary/Marry are the same, with a long a, but merry has a soft e sound (schwa, if I remember.)
Clique is Click
Solder is Sodder, not SOL-da
Pin and Pen are separate
Tuesday is pronounced TOOZ-day, with TOOZ sounding like Sues.
Mirror, with emphasis on the second R.
Soldier, like SOLE-djer.
Cot is vaguely different from caught, the latter having a stronger emphasis on the vowel.
Axe/Ask are definitely separate words!

It fascinates me that California is undergoing a vowel shift, and that, though I live in Kern, I live in the High Desert and pronounce pen/pin as separate words.  Apparently, the merger is complete elsewhere in the county.

I can also see where she's coming from with Sirius and Serious.  I think Sirius for me has a softer I pronunciation (S-ii-REE-us) rather than serious (Seeryus)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bansidhe on April 08, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
I could probably cause this thread to collapse under its own weight, so I'll attempt to use some restraint.  :D

My husband pronounces the word "sure" like "shore" and it drives me bonkers.

"Jalapeño" is not pronounced "hal-a-PEE-no." That's a tilde over that n.

The names of the days of the week end with -day, not -dy. So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, not Mundy, Toosdy, Wensdy.

Maysure instead of mehsure for "measure" sets my teeth on edge as do licorish and grosheries.

There is a certain regional US accent that turns short "a" and "e" sounds into "ay" so "bag" becomes "bayg," "leg" becomes "layg," etc. A woman with this accent was once trying to ask me something about "rayg" rug and I honestly had no clue what she was talking about.

Birfday...ugh!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 03:57:50 PM
Mary/Marry are the same, with a long a, but merry has a soft e sound (schwa, if I remember.)
Clique is Click
Solder is Sodder, not SOL-da
Pin and Pen are separate
Tuesday is pronounced TOOZ-day, with TOOZ sounding like Sues.
Mirror, with emphasis on the second R.
Soldier, like SOLE-djer.
Cot is vaguely different from caught, the latter having a stronger emphasis on the vowel.
Axe/Ask are definitely separate words!

It fascinates me that California is undergoing a vowel shift, and that, though I live in Kern, I live in the High Desert and pronounce pen/pin as separate words.  Apparently, the merger is complete elsewhere in the county.

I can also see where she's coming from with Sirius and Serious.  I think Sirius for me has a softer I pronunciation (S-ii-REE-us) rather than serious (Seeryus)

Sirius has the stress on the second syllable?  Are you serious?  (Please pardon that pun, I know of no other way to say that!)  I've never heard it as anything but SEER-ee-us, stress at the beginning.

My... my entire life has been a lie...
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 04:01:46 PM
Quote
But we generally don't say a strong "R" on anything in the same way that Americans do.  Its not so much that the R not said, its just not as distinguishable due to our accent.

What you are talking about is whether your dialect of English is rhotic or non-rhotic. "Rhotic" comes from the Greek letter "rho" or R. Essentially, it has to do with how you treat "R" when it comes after a vowel. Do you pronounce it or do you use it as an indicator of how the vowel is sounded.

An easy way to tell if your accent is rhotic or non-rhotic is to say "father" and "farther." If you pronounced them the same, more or less like "fah-thah," then you are non-rhotic. If you say something like "fah-thurr" and "farr-thurr" you are rhotic.

Most Americans are rhotic; most speakers of British English are not.

This causes problems when people try to explain pronunciation when writing,  without using IPA (international phonetic alphabet) which many people don't know.

I once saw information on Mexican food, written by someone in the UK, that suggested pronunciations like tarco and salsar. Looked pretty startling to me, but for a non-rhotic accent, the extra R tells you to say "tah-co" and "sahl-sah."

There is a local radio broadcaster, originally from Ireland, who says that a sponsoring restaurant sells "tack-os."

Exactly.  Which is why its not quite the same as a silent letter.   I find it very interesting as most true silent letters are universal (ie "knife") but the L in solder obviously isn't. Are there any Brits online who can tell me how you guys say it?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: perpetua on April 08, 2013, 04:05:38 PM

Exactly.  Which is why its not quite the same as a silent letter.   I find it very interesting as most true silent letters are universal (ie "knife") but the L in solder obviously isn't. Are there any Brits online who can tell me how you guys say it?

Here's an audio pronunciation: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/solder
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 08, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
My Dad's minister was an opera singer here in Canada.  She was taking some classes in London, England on diction.  The instructor went around the room, asking everyone to introduce themselves.  She introduced herself as Dawn, pronounced Don.  The instructor corrected her to something like Dahwn.  She just couldn't get it 'right'.  When the did the same exercise the next time they met and they got to her, she said her name was Elizabeth.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: tiff019 on April 08, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
Re chipotle:

It's chip-POTE-lay.  "chip-poh-dull" drives me crazy.

I do know it's chi-POTE-lay (actually chee-POTE-lay in spanish pronunciation), but ever since that Jack in the Box commercial, I always say it a different way when talking about Chipotle with friends (I got there once sometimes twice a week for lunch). More often than not it's Chipoodle or Chipotople.  >:D
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Cami on April 08, 2013, 04:30:11 PM
My Dad's minister was an opera singer here in Canada.  She was taking some classes in London, England on diction.  The instructor went around the room, asking everyone to introduce themselves.  She introduced herself as Dawn, pronounced Don.  The instructor corrected her to something like Dahwn.  She just couldn't get it 'right'.  When the did the same exercise the next time they met and they got to her, she said her name was Elizabeth.
I live in the upper midwest and people say Dawn and Don exactly the same. Milk is pronounce as if it were spelled melk. Then there is the town of Shawano that is pronounced Shanno (silent W)!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 04:36:59 PM

Exactly.  Which is why its not quite the same as a silent letter.   I find it very interesting as most true silent letters are universal (ie "knife") but the L in solder obviously isn't. Are there any Brits online who can tell me how you guys say it?

Here's an audio pronunciation: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/solder

 ???   Yeah, about what I was expecting.  No offense meant, but you've got to understand, I've heard it as "sahd-der" all my life, and until today, I had no idea that anyone rhymed it with "colder".
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 08, 2013, 06:13:02 PM
I live near NYC, and my friends here have a good laugh over how I say words. A good example is: Mary, marry, merry. I say them all the same. They say them differently.


Mary, marry and merry all sound exactly the same to me. They rhyme with Kerrie, hairy and bury. :)

Where I grew up, 'Mary', 'Marry' and 'Merry' were pronounced very differently. 

'Mary' rhymed with 'hairy'

'Marry' rhymed with 'carry'.

'Merry' rhymed with 'berry'. 


Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 08, 2013, 06:20:23 PM
Hairy, carry and berry all rhyme
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: nutraxfornerves on April 08, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 06:55:17 PM

Exactly.  Which is why its not quite the same as a silent letter.   I find it very interesting as most true silent letters are universal (ie "knife") but the L in solder obviously isn't. Are there any Brits online who can tell me how you guys say it?

Here's an audio pronunciation: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/solder

 ???   Yeah, about what I was expecting.  No offense meant, but you've got to understand, I've heard it as "sahd-der" all my life, and until today, I had no idea that anyone rhymed it with "colder".

None even slightly taken :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 06:56:36 PM
Where I grew up, 'Mary', 'Marry' and 'Merry' were pronounced very differently. 

'Mary' rhymed with 'hairy'

'Marry' rhymed with 'carry'.

'Merry' rhymed with 'berry'.

This.

Merry and Mary are closest to each other, but Mary is longer on the A and Merry is longer on the R.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: nutraxfornerves on April 08, 2013, 07:01:38 PM
I forgot to add--when Mary, marry and merry are pronounced the same, they all sound like "merry" as pronounced by those who differentiate them.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 08, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
I forgot to add--when Mary, marry and merry are pronounced the same, they all sound like "merry" as pronounced by those who differentiate them.

They all sound like hairy to me.


Then again, pull and pool, bowl and bull, and fool and full all sound like their partners to me.  If I try to pronounce them differently, it sounds very awkward to me, but I can tell when other people differentiate between them!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: baglady on April 08, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
Born in Boston, raised in southern New Hampshire and have lived in the Albany, N.Y., area most of the past 30 years. I hear no difference between Don and Dawn or cot and caught. Sauna rhymes with Donna. First time I heard the sau-as-in-sauerkraut pronunciation was from a Minnesotan.

Mary, merry and marry definitely sound different to me.

I grew up hearing the seventh day of the week pronounced "Sad-dee" by both my parents. They didn't mangle the other days quite so much, but they definitely ended in "dee" rather than "day." Mom is Boston born and raised. Dad was born in Maine and raised in Boston.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: HoneyBee42 on April 08, 2013, 07:37:54 PM

And Honeybee, the city in Egypt is "KIE-ro", the city in Illinois (btw, "ill-in-OY") is KAY-roe ;).


Oh, I know about the city in Egypt's pronunciation--that's why I said that the town in Illinois (and yes, I know 'there is no noise in Illinois') might be a bit head-explody for some.  I remember being a child and seeing the place names on the signs, and pronouncing them like the Austrian Vienna and Egyptian Cairo and getting corrected (this would've been when I was in second or third grade, since I didn't get glasses until second grade and didn't read signs until after I had glasses).
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 08, 2013, 07:56:07 PM
Sauna rhymes with Donna. First time I heard the sau-as-in-sauerkraut pronunciation was from a Minnesotan.

Oh dear.  The sau in sauerkraut is not the same to me as the sau in sauna.  I also just realised when I typed SAW-na before that we pronounce saw differently as well.  So 3rd times the charm - Sor-na but without the strong US 'R'
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 08, 2013, 08:24:30 PM
My Dad's minister was an opera singer here in Canada.  She was taking some classes in London, England on diction.  The instructor went around the room, asking everyone to introduce themselves.  She introduced herself as Dawn, pronounced Don.  The instructor corrected her to something like Dahwn.  She just couldn't get it 'right'.  When the did the same exercise the next time they met and they got to her, she said her name was Elizabeth.

Interesting. I say Don and Dawn differently. Dawn has a deeper sound and is a bit more drawn out.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 08, 2013, 08:26:27 PM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)

All those words sound the same to me.  8)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 08, 2013, 08:28:43 PM

And Honeybee, the city in Egypt is "KIE-ro", the city in Illinois (btw, "ill-in-OY") is KAY-roe ;).


Oh, I know about the city in Egypt's pronunciation--that's why I said that the town in Illinois (and yes, I know 'there is no noise in Illinois') might be a bit head-explody for some.  I remember being a child and seeing the place names on the signs, and pronouncing them like the Austrian Vienna and Egyptian Cairo and getting corrected (this would've been when I was in second or third grade, since I didn't get glasses until second grade and didn't read signs until after I had glasses).

There is a Cairo, Georgia. It's also said, "Kay-roe." Imagine it drawn out in a deep Georgian accent (my X's relatives lived in GA).  :D
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Editeer on April 08, 2013, 08:38:46 PM


I don't understand why Americans don't pronounced the "L" is solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal). 



For the same reason the British don't pronounce the "n" in Cholmondeley?  ;)


Editeer, making meh-rry with the hair-y colly-flower in the sawna in FLAH-rida
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bijou on April 08, 2013, 08:55:48 PM
Clique --- click (never heard it pronounced any other way)
Queue -- cue
Coupon -- cue-pon
Lilac -- lie-lack
Tuesday ---- twos-day (like the number pluralized)
advertisement --- ad-ver-TIZE-ment (but usually, just "ad")

One of the ones that used to bug me--portrait.  In the city I used to live in, there was this photo finishing place that ran ads on TV for their "portrait service".  Now, I have always pronounced and heard it pronounced as "POOR-trit"  According to the dictionary, there is also a correct pronunciation that sounds more like "POOR-trait" (note that the emphasis stays on that first syllable?).  This fellow, however, pronounced it "poor-TRAIT" about seven times in thirty seconds.

On pronunciations of place names that might want to make your head explode--not too terribly far from where I live, there are towns named Cairo and Vienna--KAY-ro (like the corn syrup brand) and VIE-an-na (like vie and the name Anna put together), respectively.
pore-trit.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bijou on April 08, 2013, 08:58:41 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.

LOL!

I went to school in Marquette and was schooled on the correct way to pronounce that word.  And now...everyone looks at me funny when I do.   ;D
But, scall-ops is also correct.  Isn't it?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bo on April 08, 2013, 09:08:56 PM
I never thought I pronounced words weird, until I moved to Pacific Northwest State from East Coast State.

They loved how I said "water"..waahter? Coffee. Cawfee? But they also said things like Ruff for roof and crick for creek.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bijou on April 08, 2013, 09:09:06 PM
Today I caught myself saying "Om in ah" as in "Om in uh go wash my hands before we leave."  I wonder why my husband knew it meant 'I'm gonna..."  (or I'm going to)
It's like "Wudda ya mean?" .  As in "What do you mean?"
What a lazy tongue!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: guihong on April 08, 2013, 09:26:03 PM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)

All those words sound the same to me.  8)

Me too (Great Lakes native)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 08, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)

All those words sound the same to me.  8)

Me too (Great Lakes native)

Ditto, northwest PA native.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: starry diadem on April 09, 2013, 04:12:43 AM


I don't understand why Americans don't pronounced the "L" is solder (ie I'm soldering this bit of metal). 



For the same reason the British don't pronounce the "n" in Cholmondeley?  ;)

We British don't pronounce the 'olmonde' in Cholmondeley, not just the 'n' and we put in an 'um' that's not even there.  It's pronounced Chumley.

But getting into odd, counter-intuitive pronunciations of placenames and surnames here in the UK would be a massive thread all of its own.

Mary, marry and merry are so completely different, I can't get my head around them sounding the same!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on April 09, 2013, 08:10:32 AM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)

All those words sound the same to me.  8)

Yep, they all rhyme with dairy, scary, Larry....!

I'm having a hard time understanding the above pronounciation guide - how in the world do you put a short 'a' sound in Marry?? I'm saying it over and over to myself and can't figure it out!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on April 09, 2013, 08:16:36 AM
My Dad's minister was an opera singer here in Canada.  She was taking some classes in London, England on diction.  The instructor went around the room, asking everyone to introduce themselves.  She introduced herself as Dawn, pronounced Don.  The instructor corrected her to something like Dahwn.  She just couldn't get it 'right'.  When the did the same exercise the next time they met and they got to her, she said her name was Elizabeth.

Interesting. I say Don and Dawn differently. Dawn has a deeper sound and is a bit more drawn out.

Again...yep. Dawn and Don do not sound the same at all.

Regional accents are so bizarre and fascinating - DH and I grew up only 100 miles from each other (in the same state, even!) and he says Dawn and Don the same. He also says caught and cot the same, which sounds so strange to my ears.

But then, he teases me for saying melk instead of milk ;)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 09, 2013, 08:17:12 AM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)

All those words sound the same to me.  8)

Yep, they all rhyme with dairy, scary, Larry....!

I'm having a hard time understanding the above pronounciation guide - how in the world do you put a short 'a' sound in Marry?? I'm saying it over and over to myself and can't figure it out!

It's difficult for me, and I had to stutter my way through it, but I got it (I think).

For Marry, begin like you're saying the word "mad" but quick take out the "d" and say "rry".

Then try "met" for "merry".
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Micah on April 09, 2013, 08:38:52 AM
This is a cool topic!

Aussies say the L in soldier. I just tried saying it out loud without the L and it sounded like the start of a question to me. "so d'ya know what ya doin' this weekend?"

Merry, Mary and Marry all have distinctly different sounds. Mental Magpie got it spot on with how to pronounce them.

We say and spell aluminium the British way.

I work in a restaurant that is a very popular tourist destination. We get people from all over the world. The majority speak quite good english, but there are often puzzling issues with pronunciation. How Asian people pronounce Deluxe was, to start with, completely incomprehensible. The same with some of the European countries.

Sometimes when I say something, the customer looks at me blankly, so they obviously have a similar problem in return, lol.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on April 09, 2013, 08:43:43 AM
How do Australians pronounce "lieutenant"?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bloo on April 09, 2013, 08:50:59 AM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 09, 2013, 08:52:50 AM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

I think the "warsh" thing may be generational.  My aunts, uncles, and mother say it; they all grew up in PA.  My FMIL says it; she grew up in Texas.  They're all about the same age.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 09, 2013, 08:55:52 AM
Scallops - scall rhymes with all and hall not Hal.  Hearing it wrong makes my ears itch.

Where we live, 'scoll-ups' are decorations on clothing as in 'a scalloped hem'.  'Skall-ups' are the delicious things you eat with shallots and butter. 

This brings up the pronunciation of 'gingham'.  Is the second 'g' pronounced as soft or hard?  Here, it's usually soft. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 09, 2013, 09:04:53 AM
Marry:  should sound similar to the first syllable of carriage
Mary: Should rhyme with dairy
Merry: should rhyme with sherry

None of these should rhyme with each other.  :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Redwing on April 09, 2013, 09:05:51 AM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)

All those words sound the same to me.  8)

Me too (Great Lakes native)

Ditto, northwest PA native.

Me, too.  Northern Illinois
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 09, 2013, 09:07:46 AM
Marry:  should sound similar to the first syllable of carriage
Mary: Should rhyme with dairy
Merry: should rhyme with sherry

None of these should rhyme with each other.  :)

All of them do  :D  Well, carriage doesn't in its entirety, but the first syllable does.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Redwing on April 09, 2013, 09:08:02 AM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

Bloo, are you in Ohio?  My husband's Cincinnati born and raised family all said "warsh" and "crick".
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Micah on April 09, 2013, 09:09:10 AM
How do Australians pronounce "lieutenant"?

LOO-ten-ant
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 09, 2013, 09:26:42 AM
Marry:  should sound similar to the first syllable of carriage
Mary: Should rhyme with dairy
Merry: should rhyme with sherry

None of these should rhyme with each other.  :)

All of them do  :D  Well, carriage doesn't in its entirety, but the first syllable does.

See, if I had friends named Carrie, Mary, and Sherry, I would be intensely weirded out if their names rhymed.  Here in the Philly region, those are distinct sounds.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bloo on April 09, 2013, 09:29:29 AM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

Bloo, are you in Ohio?  My husband's Cincinnati born and raised family all said "warsh" and "crick".

Yep, NE Ohio and am waiting for my kids to fly the coop so that I can head down south. Can't take the cold too much longer. And everyone talks like me down there!. :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 09, 2013, 09:31:43 AM
Marry:  should sound similar to the first syllable of carriage
Mary: Should rhyme with dairy
Merry: should rhyme with sherry

None of these should rhyme with each other.  :)

All of them do  :D  Well, carriage doesn't in its entirety, but the first syllable does.

See, if I had friends named Carrie, Mary, and Sherry, I would be intensely weirded out if their names rhymed.  Here in the Philly region, those are distinct sounds.

I'm from the opposite side of the state, so much so that it is approximately 10 miles from the Ohio border.

My mom is from the DuBois area, and she agrees with me; when she lived in Philly for college, she got a lot of weird looks for the way she pronounced things.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: guihong on April 09, 2013, 09:45:18 AM
How do Australians pronounce "lieutenant"?

LOO-ten-ant

I thought it was loo-TENN-ant  ::)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 09, 2013, 10:02:48 AM
"Mary, merry, marry"is one of the standard dialect differential things. There are all sorts of variations.

One survey of Americans found that

•all 3 are the same (56.88%)
•all 3 are different (17.34%)
•Mary and merry are the same; marry is different (8.97%)
•merry and marry are the same; Mary is different (0.96%)
•Mary and marry are the same; merry is different (15.84%)
   
Here is one suggestion of how it sounds when you pronounce them differently

Marry: Harry, carry. (Short vowel as in fat, cat.)
Merry: berry, Terry (Short vowel as in get, wet.)
Mary: hairy, fairy (Long vowel as in air, bear.)

All those words sound the same to me.  8)

Me too (Great Lakes native)

I'm a Great Lakes native, too.  :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Slartibartfast on April 09, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
This is a cool topic!

Aussies say the L in soldier. I just tried saying it out loud without the L and it sounded like the start of a question to me. "so d'ya know what ya doin' this weekend?"

Americans put the L in "soldier," too - but we ignore it in "solder," like what you do to affix two pieces of metal together  :P
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Ms_Cellany on April 09, 2013, 10:08:44 AM
I recently realized that I pronounce "wasn't" as "waddint."
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 09, 2013, 10:11:35 AM
I recently realized that I pronounce "wasn't" as "waddint."

So does the Eagle; it drives nuts me.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: violinp on April 09, 2013, 10:13:04 AM
I recently realized that I pronounce "wasn't" as "waddint."

I say "dudnt" for "doesn't"
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Ms_Cellany on April 09, 2013, 10:38:38 AM
I recently realized that I pronounce "wasn't" as "waddint."

So does the Eagle; it drives nuts me.

It's a Texas accent thing. Goes along with "bidness" (business).

"So I waddint gone get involved; it's none of my bidness."

Molly Ivins used to use "bidnessman" in her writing.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 09, 2013, 11:16:17 AM
I recently realized that I pronounce "wasn't" as "waddint."

So does the Eagle; it drives nuts me.

It's a Texas accent thing. Goes along with "bidness" (business).

"So I waddint gone get involved; it's none of my bidness."

Molly Ivens used to use "bidnessman" in her writing.

The Eagle is Texan...
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bansidhe on April 09, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
Marry:  should sound similar to the first syllable of carriage
Mary: Should rhyme with dairy
Merry: should rhyme with sherry

None of these should rhyme with each other.  :)

Marry, Mary, Dairy, Merry, Sherry...yep, they all rhyme.  ;D
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Kaora on April 09, 2013, 01:25:09 PM
Scallops - scall rhymes with all and hall not Hal.  Hearing it wrong makes my ears itch.

Where we live, 'scoll-ups' are decorations on clothing as in 'a scalloped hem'.  'Skall-ups' are the delicious things you eat with shallots and butter. 

This brings up the pronunciation of 'gingham'.  Is the second 'g' pronounced as soft or hard?  Here, it's usually soft.

Definitely soft here.  GING-em, with initial G being hard. :)

Gingham Style? ;D
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: reflection5 on April 09, 2013, 05:45:59 PM
Jewelry (not jewry).
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: SamiHami on April 09, 2013, 06:09:25 PM
Or, as someone I used to know would say, joo-lurr-ee.

Mary, Marry, Merry, hairy, scary, dairy, etc...all pronounced the same in my neck of the woods, South Carolina. One thing I hate, and simply do not understand, though is that some people here in SC pronounce "hurricane" (sadly, a word we use far too often...) as "harry-cane." What the heck?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 09, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
Or, as someone I used to know would say, joo-lurr-ee.

Mary, Marry, Merry, hairy, scary, dairy, etc...all pronounced the same in my neck of the woods, South Carolina. One thing I hate, and simply do not understand, though is that some people here in SC pronounce "hurricane" (sadly, a word we use far too often...) as "harry-cane." What the heck?

How else would someone say jewelry? I've always heard it as joo-lurr-ee (jew-lr-y). Jewel-err-e sounds awkward to me, but thats the only alternative I can think of...

As for Mary, Marry, Merry - to me those are three distinct and different sounds, no where near rhyming (only Mary would rhyme with hairy, scary and dairy). Marry rhymes with carry and Larry, merry rhymes with berry and ferry.


Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 09, 2013, 06:42:04 PM
Or, as someone I used to know would say, joo-lurr-ee.

Mary, Marry, Merry, hairy, scary, dairy, etc...all pronounced the same in my neck of the woods, South Carolina. One thing I hate, and simply do not understand, though is that some people here in SC pronounce "hurricane" (sadly, a word we use far too often...) as "harry-cane." What the heck?

How else would someone say jewelry? I've always heard it as joo-lurr-ee (jew-lr-y). Jewel-err-e sounds awkward to me, but thats the only alternative I can think of...

As for Mary, Marry, Merry - to me those are three distinct and different sounds, no where near rhyming (only Mary would rhyme with hairy, scary and dairy). Marry rhymes with carry and Larry, merry rhymes with berry and ferry.

Two syllable version: jool-ree
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bluenomi on April 09, 2013, 06:50:17 PM

As for Mary, Marry, Merry - to me those are three distinct and different sounds, no where near rhyming (only Mary would rhyme with hairy, scary and dairy). Marry rhymes with carry and Larry, merry rhymes with berry and ferry.

I'm with you there, they are 3 completely different words. Marie is also different from all of them as well.

I've had people from the US tell me they think DD's name in horrid because it sounds like Hairy. Apparently Harry and Hairy are the same over there so Harriet turns into Hairy-et. No, it's a perfectly nice name if you say it right  :-\
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: SamiHami on April 09, 2013, 07:10:01 PM
Or, as someone I used to know would say, joo-lurr-ee.

Mary, Marry, Merry, hairy, scary, dairy, etc...all pronounced the same in my neck of the woods, South Carolina. One thing I hate, and simply do not understand, though is that some people here in SC pronounce "hurricane" (sadly, a word we use far too often...) as "harry-cane." What the heck?

How else would someone say jewelry? I've always heard it as joo-lurr-ee (jew-lr-y). Jewel-err-e sounds awkward to me, but thats the only alternative I can think of...

As for Mary, Marry, Merry - to me those are three distinct and different sounds, no where near rhyming (only Mary would rhyme with hairy, scary and dairy). Marry rhymes with carry and Larry, merry rhymes with berry and ferry.

I don't understand why one would prounounce it with a "lurr" (joo-lurr-ee) sound, as that doesn't make sense for how it's spelled. There's nothing to indicate a "lurr." Since jewel is pronounced "jew-ell" adding the "ry" on the end shoudn't change the prounounciation of the root word. So, it should be a three syllable word, "jew-ell-ree." There's not a "lurr" in sight!  :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 09, 2013, 07:16:27 PM
"lr" make a lurr sound I guess. The "r" sound is on the middle syllable not the end one, so it changes the sound of that syllable. Jew-lurr-ee, its simply how I've always heard it said by everyone, in person, on TV, etc, I never questioned it. Lots of words slightly change pronunciation as they get longer.

Heck "pronounce" (pro-noun-sunce) versus "pronunciation" (pro-nun-ci-a-shun) changes in the middle from a nown sound to a nun sound.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: tiff019 on April 09, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
"lr" make a lurr sound I guess. The "r" sound is on the middle syllable not the end one, so it changes the sound of that syllable. Jew-lurr-ee, its simply how I've always heard it said by everyone, in person, on TV, etc, I never questioned it. Lots of words slightly change pronunciation as they get longer.

Heck "pronounce" (pro-noun-sunce) versus "pronunciation" (pro-nun-ci-a-shun) changes in the middle from a nown sound to a nun sound.

But the spelling also changes - you lose the 'u' in pronounce when it goes to pronunciation. That one makes total sense to me. =)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 10, 2013, 12:45:36 AM
How do Australians pronounce "lieutenant"?

Depends who you're asking.  Either Loo-tenant or Left-tenant would generally be accepted without correction - expect perhaps by someone actually known by the title, who might state their preference.

Probaby Loo-tenant is more common these days.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 10, 2013, 12:45:47 AM
Scallops - scall rhymes with all and hall not Hal.  Hearing it wrong makes my ears itch.

Where we live, 'scoll-ups' are decorations on clothing as in 'a scalloped hem'.  'Skall-ups' are the delicious things you eat with shallots and butter. 

I'm not sure what the difference is supposed to be based on your writing...

This brings up the pronunciation of 'gingham'.  Is the second 'g' pronounced as soft or hard?  Here, it's usually soft.

Soft in Australia.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 10, 2013, 12:46:51 AM
Or, as someone I used to know would say, joo-lurr-ee.

Mary, Marry, Merry, hairy, scary, dairy, etc...all pronounced the same in my neck of the woods, South Carolina. One thing I hate, and simply do not understand, though is that some people here in SC pronounce "hurricane" (sadly, a word we use far too often...) as "harry-cane." What the heck?

How else would someone say jewelry? I've always heard it as joo-lurr-ee (jew-lr-y). Jewel-err-e sounds awkward to me, but thats the only alternative I can think of...

Aussies and Brits say Jew-ler-ry but we also spell it that way - jewellery.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Kaora on April 10, 2013, 03:45:25 AM
Or, as someone I used to know would say, joo-lurr-ee.

Mary, Marry, Merry, hairy, scary, dairy, etc...all pronounced the same in my neck of the woods, South Carolina. One thing I hate, and simply do not understand, though is that some people here in SC pronounce "hurricane" (sadly, a word we use far too often...) as "harry-cane." What the heck?

How else would someone say jewelry? I've always heard it as joo-lurr-ee (jew-lr-y). Jewel-err-e sounds awkward to me, but thats the only alternative I can think of...

Aussies and Brits say Jew-ler-ry but we also spell it that way - jewellery.

Jewelry is "Jewel+ree" here.  Jewel is pronounced like it would be alone. :) Joo-ll.  (Thanks to some work with a speech synth, I nearly typed in J6-ll.  6 is a long oo sound, like book and look, shook.  I so need sleep.)

February is pronounced as "Feb-U-airy", and Wednesday as as "Wends-day."  I'm now curious if there are any UK pronunciation differences with Saturday, due to the middle R there?  It's "SAT-err-day" here.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: scotcat60 on April 10, 2013, 04:00:38 AM
My primary school teacher had us all chantng  "Feb- RU- ary" "Lib-rary" and "I saw a" rather than "I sore-a"

I say Jewel-ree and I'm in the UK.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: wx4caster on April 10, 2013, 08:16:00 AM
Scallops - scall rhymes with all and hall not Hal.  Hearing it wrong makes my ears itch.

Where we live, 'scoll-ups' are decorations on clothing as in 'a scalloped hem'.  'Skall-ups' are the delicious things you eat with shallots and butter. 

This brings up the pronunciation of 'gingham'.  Is the second 'g' pronounced as soft or hard?  Here, it's usually soft.

Not.  :P
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 10, 2013, 12:08:08 PM
"lr" make a lurr sound I guess. The "r" sound is on the middle syllable not the end one, so it changes the sound of that syllable. Jew-lurr-ee, its simply how I've always heard it said by everyone, in person, on TV, etc, I never questioned it. Lots of words slightly change pronunciation as they get longer.

Heck "pronounce" (pro-noun-sunce) versus "pronunciation" (pro-nun-ci-a-shun) changes in the middle from a nown sound to a nun sound.

 :o  What?  Where from are you getting that third syllable?




Jew-ull-ree, but the first two syllables smear into one another so much I can see where Diane hears 2 syllables instead of 3.  What Kaora said.

February is fe-broo-airy.

Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Girlie on April 10, 2013, 12:49:52 PM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 10, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
"lr" make a lurr sound I guess. The "r" sound is on the middle syllable not the end one, so it changes the sound of that syllable. Jew-lurr-ee, its simply how I've always heard it said by everyone, in person, on TV, etc, I never questioned it. Lots of words slightly change pronunciation as they get longer.

Heck "pronounce" (pro-noun-sunce) versus "pronunciation" (pro-nun-ci-a-shun) changes in the middle from a nown sound to a nun sound.

 :o  What?  Where from are you getting that third syllable?




Jew-ull-ree, but the first two syllables smear into one another so much I can see where Diane hears 2 syllables instead of 3.  What Kaora said.

February is fe-broo-airy.

I didn't know how to phonetically write the "ce" sound. To me, written "ce" does not convey at all the sound at the end of pronounce. I guess the sound is more like simply the phonetic sound of just "C".
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 10, 2013, 01:21:55 PM
"lr" make a lurr sound I guess. The "r" sound is on the middle syllable not the end one, so it changes the sound of that syllable. Jew-lurr-ee, its simply how I've always heard it said by everyone, in person, on TV, etc, I never questioned it. Lots of words slightly change pronunciation as they get longer.

Heck "pronounce" (pro-noun-sunce) versus "pronunciation" (pro-nun-ci-a-shun) changes in the middle from a nown sound to a nun sound.

 :o  What?  Where from are you getting that third syllable?




Jew-ull-ree, but the first two syllables smear into one another so much I can see where Diane hears 2 syllables instead of 3.  What Kaora said.

February is fe-broo-airy.

I didn't know how to phonetically write the "ce" sound. To me, written "ce" does not convey at all the sound at the end of pronounce. I guess the sound is more like simply the phonetic sound of just "C".

Ah, gotcha, that makes a lot more sense.  Thanks for explaining!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mikayla on April 10, 2013, 01:32:21 PM

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

Same here.  And it's highly significant because it is the only spice I refuse to eat. 

I also want to third the Illinois thing.  Seriously?!?  I've even heard it recently on the Weather Channel.  Do they pronounce the "s" in Iroquois, too? 

Another one is fiance vs fiancee.  I've always pronounced them differently, but it's just  a minor change in emphasis from second to third syllable.  Most people seem to pronounce them identically, but none of this matters because it seems nobody knows how to spell the one they're trying to use!  (Not here, btw)   
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bottlecaps on April 10, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Queue, I say Cue, and I know someone who INSISTED it was pronounced cwayway, no matter how much I said, no, it's CUE! Then again, she was a piece of work in general  ::)

LOLOL! I'm sorry, but "cwayway" is hilarious!

 
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I'm with you! I'm from West Virginia and I call them peh-cahns. Thanks to watching Paula Deen with my grandmother, I was convinced I would have to deal with hearing "pee-cans" upon moving from the kinda-south to the deep south. Imagine my relief when I found out that most people down here in 'Bama in fact pronounce it the same way I do. :-P
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 10, 2013, 02:15:33 PM

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

Same here.  And it's highly significant because it is the only spice I refuse to eat. 

I also want to third the Illinois thing.  Seriously?!?  I've even heard it recently on the Weather Channel.  Do they pronounce the "s" in Iroquois, too? 

Another one is fiance vs fiancee.  I've always pronounced them differently, but it's just  a minor change in emphasis from second to third syllable.  Most people seem to pronounce them identically, but none of this matters because it seems nobody knows how to spell the one they're trying to use!  (Not here, btw)   

Yes, they're different to me, too.  The Eagle is my fee-AWN-say; I am his fee-awn-SAY.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: daisy1679 on April 10, 2013, 02:57:13 PM
The word sauna drives me batty.  It's a Finnish word, and Finnish always has the emphasis on the first syllable.  It also pronounces every letter in a word.  So the correct way would be along the lines of SOU-na (like the first syllable of the word 'south').  I know the most common way to pronouce it in the States is SAW-na.  If you say it like that in the part of Michigan I'm originally from, it definitely marks you as an outsider.

I knew you had to be from Michigan. I learned to say it there and when I went elsewhere, I wondered why they didn't know how to say it!

I've lived in Michigan my whole life, (several towns, both up north and downstate, and spent a lot of time in the UP) and I have always heard it pronounced SAW-na. I'd think you were from somewhere else if I heard SOU-na (a pronunciation I have never heard before reading this thread)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Ms_Cellany on April 10, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
A random peeve: when people say "habañero."  It's really habanero with an unadorned "n," but they put the "enye" sound as if it were "jalapeño."
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: SamiHami on April 10, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
Queue, I say Cue, and I know someone who INSISTED it was pronounced cwayway, no matter how much I said, no, it's CUE! Then again, she was a piece of work in general  ::)

LOLOL! I'm sorry, but "cwayway" is hilarious!

 
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I'm with you! I'm from West Virginia and I call them peh-cahns. Thanks to watching Paula Deen with my grandmother, I was convinced I would have to deal with hearing "pee-cans" upon moving from the kinda-south to the deep south. Imagine my relief when I found out that most people down here in 'Bama in fact pronounce it the same way I do. :-P

Funny! Here in SC I've never heard it pronounced any other way than "pee can." My northern relatives all say it the other way.

I just remembered! My DH and I were in a Mexican restaurant one day and a young mom was talking to her toddler, explaining that, "This is a tortilla." Except she was pronouncing it "tor-till-yuh." DH and I have been joking about that ever since!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: SamiHami on April 10, 2013, 06:00:41 PM
A random peeve: when people say "habañero."  It's really habanero with an unadorned "n," but they put the "enye" sound as if it were "jalapeño."

Hmmm...see, I thought that was the correct way to pronounce habanero. I just picked it up from other people. Now I know!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 10, 2013, 06:20:42 PM
It's interesting, anytime I take those tests that determine where you're from based on how you pronounce things, I'm always told "you have no accent" but I know I've got to. 

Let's see.

Baltimore usually comes out like "Baldimore" said quicker "Baldmore"
Ocean "Ohshun"
Caramel : Care-a-mel.
Pecan is p'cahn.
Jewelry is Joolree

I have a tendency to leave the g off of -ing words. 

There's apparently two different ways to say Weis in this town.  Some say "Wys" with a long i sound, some say Vys.  Considering the majority of this town is of German heritage, I guess that's correct too. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 10, 2013, 06:36:40 PM
How do you say 'pasta'?

past-a or pahst-a
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: SiotehCat on April 10, 2013, 06:45:42 PM
My DH is always poking fun at me for the way that I pronounce some words.

Floor is more like fleur.
Three has a rolling r. In fact, any word that starts with "thr" has a rolling r.
Wolf is wool f.
Accept is assept.

There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H. That episode was particularly funny to us because I do the exact same thing. Nobody has called me out on it except DH.

Also, a poster in a previous thread mentioned emphasizing the r in February and the p in raspberry. Thats the way I pronounce both of those words.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 10, 2013, 06:54:30 PM
My DH is always poking fun at me for the way that I pronounce some words.

Floor is more like fleur.
Three has a rolling r. In fact, any word that starts with "thr" has a rolling r.
Wolf is wool f.
Accept is assept.

There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H. That episode was particularly funny to us because I do the exact same thing. Nobody has called me out on it except DH.

Also, a poster in a previous thread mentioned emphasizing the r in February and the p in raspberry. Thats the way I pronounce both of those words.


So do I, but about what the poster in the other thread was making a point is that the offender OVER pronounced them, not just pronounced them, drawing attention to the fact that she was pronouncing them because it made her feel superior.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: nutraxfornerves on April 10, 2013, 07:05:13 PM
Back to Mary-merry-marry.

Somebody on a language forum helped me find sound files of people saying "Mary dear, make me merry, say youll marry me."

Speaker pronounces all differently (http://www.alt-usage-english.org/mmm_rf.wav). The difference between "Mary" and "merry" is subtle, but "marry" is clearly not the same. Wikipedia describes it as "Mary has the a sound of mare, marry has the a sound of mat and merry has the e sound of met."

Speaker pronounces them identically (http://www.alt-usage-english.org/mmm_bc.wav)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 07:57:03 PM
How do you say 'pasta'?

past-a or pahst-a

Pah-sta  :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bluenomi on April 10, 2013, 08:12:22 PM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I say pee-can as do most Aussies. I had no idea what a peh-cahn pie was when I first heard about it.

It took me ages to link Craigslist as a word with how people in the US say it. We say Craig completely differently as do the UK. I still don't know how the US gets an e sound in Craig.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I say pee-can as do most Aussies. I had no idea what a peh-cahn pie was when I first heard about it.

It took me ages to link Craigslist as a word with how people in the US say it. We say Craig completely differently as do the UK. I still don't know how the US gets an e sound in Craig.

I pronounce Craig "Crayg"... that's different than you guys?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bluenomi on April 10, 2013, 08:42:20 PM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I say pee-can as do most Aussies. I had no idea what a peh-cahn pie was when I first heard about it.

It took me ages to link Craigslist as a word with how people in the US say it. We say Craig completely differently as do the UK. I still don't know how the US gets an e sound in Craig.

I pronounce Craig "Crayg"... that's different than you guys?

I say Crayg but every person fro the US and all their tv shows etc I've seen say Creg. It took me years to work out it was Craig!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bloo on April 10, 2013, 08:45:35 PM
Funny! Here in SC I've never heard it pronounced any other way than "pee can." My northern relatives all say it the other way.

I just remembered! My DH and I were in a Mexican restaurant one day and a young mom was talking to her toddler, explaining that, "This is a tortilla." Except she was pronouncing it "tor-till-yuh." DH and I have been joking about that ever since!

Ha! I love the part in the movie Napoleon Dynamite, where Napoleon asked his Grandma how he was going to feed himself since she was leaving for a few days:

Napoleon: Well, what is there to eat?
Grandma: Knock it off, Napoleon! Make yourself a dang quesadilla! [pronounces it "case-a-dill-a"]
Napoleon: Fine!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 10, 2013, 08:46:58 PM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I say pee-can as do most Aussies. I had no idea what a peh-cahn pie was when I first heard about it.

It took me ages to link Craigslist as a word with how people in the US say it. We say Craig completely differently as do the UK. I still don't know how the US gets an e sound in Craig.

I pronounce Craig "Crayg"... that's different than you guys?

I say Crayg but every person fro the US and all their tv shows etc I've seen say Creg. It took me years to work out it was Craig!

Saying Crayg very fast shortens it to Creg, that's all.

Not everyone from the US does it.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Nikko-chan on April 10, 2013, 09:39:28 PM
Oh, I have so many that I would need 10-20 posts just to name them all.  I'll keep to local (NEPA) mispronunciations.

axe - ask
dahg - dog (sounds like a Boston accent with a more nasal tone)
chimbley - chimney (although chi-min-ee is running a close second)
dis, dat, dem, dese, dose, dere - this, that, them, these, those, there (PLEASE people!  There is a "th" in there)
gooms - gums (as in the things that hold your teeth in your mouth)
Doverman Pincher - Doberman Pinscher
drownded - drowned
torTILLa - tortilla
kwehsahDILLa - quesadilla
fillum - film
tanks - thanks
Sayerday - Saturday
Eyetalian - Italian
skettie or pahsketti - spaghetti (I don't mind when small children do this; but grown ups?  ::))

A personal pet peeve is when people pronounce the abbreviation for avenue (Ave.).  It just irritates the ehell out of me!


This. So much this. My uncle taught me how to pronounce Italian this way (he's 100% Italian): "I'm from Italy (pronounced Ih-taly) , not from Italy (pronounced Eyetaly)!"

Also? Deaf does not equal death. It does not have a th at the end. it has an f sound.

example:
Person: Oh so she's death?
Me: No she's deaf, you know, she can't hear.
Person: That's what I said, death.
Me: *bashes head on wall*
 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: baglady on April 10, 2013, 11:31:14 PM
A friend of mine used to pronounce the phone company Vonage like a French word -- "Voh-NAHJ." It's "VONN-edge." He finally got over that but still thinks "futon" is a French word (he says "foo-TOH" with that last syllable pronounced like the French "bon").

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There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H.

Aha! So that's what that Wheat Thins commercial was about.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Nikko-chan on April 11, 2013, 01:02:09 AM
A friend of mine used to pronounce the phone company Vonage like a French word -- "Voh-NAHJ." It's "VONN-edge." He finally got over that but still thinks "futon" is a French word (he says "foo-TOH" with that last syllable pronounced like the French "bon").

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There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H.

Aha! So that's what that Wheat Thins commercial was about.

I might pronounce futon like your friend does. I prounounce it like Foo-tawn... how is he pronouncing it?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 11, 2013, 06:01:10 AM
How do you say 'pasta'?

past-a or pahst-a

Past-a

I once worked with a girl who told us that for Halloween her son was going to be the Hawk.   When we looked confused (hawk, sure but we were unable to recall "The" Hawk.  She said "You know, the Incredible Hawk."
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 11, 2013, 07:31:44 AM
I had a relative who never had a 'snack'.  She always had a 'smack'.  She also complained that a child was not 'destructive'. He was 'distructful'.  We never quite understood this because she had the same education as everyone else in the family and nobody else talked that way. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: baglady on April 11, 2013, 08:38:53 AM
A friend of mine used to pronounce the phone company Vonage like a French word -- "Voh-NAHJ." It's "VONN-edge." He finally got over that but still thinks "futon" is a French word (he says "foo-TOH" with that last syllable pronounced like the French "bon").

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There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H.

Aha! So that's what that Wheat Thins commercial was about.

I might pronounce futon like your friend does. I prounounce it like Foo-tawn... how is he pronouncing it?

He pronounces it with the second syllable emphasized and pronounced with that nasally french "ohn" sound. Everyone else I know, including me, says FOO-tawn.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 11, 2013, 08:55:03 AM
A friend of mine used to pronounce the phone company Vonage like a French word -- "Voh-NAHJ." It's "VONN-edge." He finally got over that but still thinks "futon" is a French word (he says "foo-TOH" with that last syllable pronounced like the French "bon").

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There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H.

Aha! So that's what that Wheat Thins commercial was about.

I might pronounce futon like your friend does. I prounounce it like Foo-tawn... how is he pronouncing it?

He pronounces it with the second syllable emphasized and pronounced with that nasally french "ohn" sound. Everyone else I know, including me, says FOO-tawn.

Futon sounds like baton the last sound is "on" (like I put the pillow on the futon), the first half is foo like the Foo Fighters, rhymes is moo or stew or brew. Then chuck a soft "t" sound in the middle. I have never heard foo-tawn rhymes with yawn or lawn.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on April 11, 2013, 09:04:56 AM
A friend of mine used to pronounce the phone company Vonage like a French word -- "Voh-NAHJ." It's "VONN-edge." He finally got over that but still thinks "futon" is a French word (he says "foo-TOH" with that last syllable pronounced like the French "bon").

Quote
There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H.

Aha! So that's what that Wheat Thins commercial was about.

I might pronounce futon like your friend does. I prounounce it like Foo-tawn... how is he pronouncing it?

He pronounces it with the second syllable emphasized and pronounced with that nasally french "ohn" sound. Everyone else I know, including me, says FOO-tawn.

Futon sounds like baton the last sound is "on" (like I put the pillow on the futon), the first half is foo like the Foo Fighters, rhymes is moo or stew or brew. Then chuck a soft "t" sound in the middle. I have never heard foo-tawn rhymes with yawn or lawn.

This is so funny! To me, 'on' rhymes with lawn or yawn. The -on in futon rhymes with 'Don', not 'on'. So I guess we pronounce 'futon' the same way :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 11, 2013, 09:21:08 AM
A friend of mine used to pronounce the phone company Vonage like a French word -- "Voh-NAHJ." It's "VONN-edge." He finally got over that but still thinks "futon" is a French word (he says "foo-TOH" with that last syllable pronounced like the French "bon").

Quote
There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H.

Aha! So that's what that Wheat Thins commercial was about.

I might pronounce futon like your friend does. I prounounce it like Foo-tawn... how is he pronouncing it?

He pronounces it with the second syllable emphasized and pronounced with that nasally french "ohn" sound. Everyone else I know, including me, says FOO-tawn.

Futon sounds like baton the last sound is "on" (like I put the pillow on the futon), the first half is foo like the Foo Fighters, rhymes is moo or stew or brew. Then chuck a soft "t" sound in the middle. I have never heard foo-tawn rhymes with yawn or lawn.

This is so funny! To me, 'on' rhymes with lawn or yawn. The -on in futon rhymes with 'Don', not 'on'. So I guess we pronounce 'futon' the same way :)

To me Don, on, baton, moron to me all have the same "ahn" sound, like the Jamaican "hey mon!" which is absolutely nothing like lawn, fawn, dawn or yawn which have an "awww" sound to them before the n, like the beginning of awning or awesome.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on April 11, 2013, 09:27:36 AM
Futon sounds like baton the last sound is "on" (like I put the pillow on the futon), the first half is foo like the Foo Fighters, rhymes is moo or stew or brew. Then chuck a soft "t" sound in the middle. I have never heard foo-tawn rhymes with yawn or lawn.

This is so funny! To me, 'on' rhymes with lawn or yawn. The -on in futon rhymes with 'Don', not 'on'. So I guess we pronounce 'futon' the same way :)

To me Don, on, baton, moron to me all have the same "ahn" sound, like the Jamaican "hey mon!" which is absolutely nothing like lawn, fawn, dawn or yawn which have an "awww" sound to them before the n, like the beginning of awning or awesome.

Don, baton and moron = yes, the -on rhymes with the Jamaican "hey mon!"  ;D

On = rhymes with the first syllable of awning
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Hmmmmm on April 11, 2013, 09:28:41 AM
Back to Mary-merry-marry.

Somebody on a language forum helped me find sound files of people saying "Mary dear, make me merry, say youll marry me."

Speaker pronounces all differently (http://www.alt-usage-english.org/mmm_rf.wav). The difference between "Mary" and "merry" is subtle, but "marry" is clearly not the same. Wikipedia describes it as "Mary has the a sound of mare, marry has the a sound of mat and merry has the e sound of met."

Speaker pronounces them identically (http://www.alt-usage-english.org/mmm_bc.wav)

I was once in a class that focused on your mouth/jaw/tongue movements when saying the words. I clearly had different movements for each with my jaw dropping lower and the back of my throught closing some but my mouth widending with merry and going to a higher pitch. Marry was right in between both.

But when recorded, you could only hear a small difference between the way I said the words and really only if said back to back.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 11, 2013, 09:51:41 AM
Futon sounds like baton the last sound is "on" (like I put the pillow on the futon), the first half is foo like the Foo Fighters, rhymes is moo or stew or brew. Then chuck a soft "t" sound in the middle. I have never heard foo-tawn rhymes with yawn or lawn.

This is so funny! To me, 'on' rhymes with lawn or yawn. The -on in futon rhymes with 'Don', not 'on'. So I guess we pronounce 'futon' the same way :)

To me Don, on, baton, moron to me all have the same "ahn" sound, like the Jamaican "hey mon!" which is absolutely nothing like lawn, fawn, dawn or yawn which have an "awww" sound to them before the n, like the beginning of awning or awesome.

Don, baton and moron = yes, the -on rhymes with the Jamaican "hey mon!"  ;D

On = rhymes with the first syllable of awning

I can agree with this.  When I say the phrase "On Golden Pond", the first word and last word don't sound terribly alike.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Ms_Cellany on April 11, 2013, 10:11:48 AM

When I say the phrase "On Golden Pond", the first word and last word don't sound terribly alike.

Their vowels are exactly alike when I say it.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 11, 2013, 10:13:22 AM

When I say the phrase "On Golden Pond", the first word and last word don't sound terribly alike.

Their vowels are exactly alike when I say it.

Come to think of it, NONE of those Os sound alike...
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 11, 2013, 10:29:12 AM
Both of my older boys have a problem in pronouncing enemy.  It's emeny, and one's nearly 12, the other's 10.   My oldest child has a tendency to pronounce short e's as short a's.  Drives his brother up the wall.

"We want to the US Callular store to get new call phones."

Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: guihong on April 11, 2013, 10:35:17 AM
A friend of mine used to pronounce the phone company Vonage like a French word -- "Voh-NAHJ." It's "VONN-edge." He finally got over that but still thinks "futon" is a French word (he says "foo-TOH" with that last syllable pronounced like the French "bon").

Quote
There was a Family Guy episode where Stewie is driving Brian crazy with the way he pronounces some "wh" words like whip, what, when, etc... He puts emphasis on the H.

Aha! So that's what that Wheat Thins commercial was about.

I might pronounce futon like your friend does. I prounounce it like Foo-tawn... how is he pronouncing it?

He pronounces it with the second syllable emphasized and pronounced with that nasally french "ohn" sound. Everyone else I know, including me, says FOO-tawn.

Futon sounds like baton the last sound is "on" (like I put the pillow on the futon), the first half is foo like the Foo Fighters, rhymes is moo or stew or brew. Then chuck a soft "t" sound in the middle. I have never heard foo-tawn rhymes with yawn or lawn.

This is so funny! To me, 'on' rhymes with lawn or yawn. The -on in futon rhymes with 'Don', not 'on'. So I guess we pronounce 'futon' the same way :)

To me Don, on, baton, moron to me all have the same "ahn" sound, like the Jamaican "hey mon!" which is absolutely nothing like lawn, fawn, dawn or yawn which have an "awww" sound to them before the n, like the beginning of awning or awesome.

Here we go again-all of those sound exactly the same to me ("on" group rhymes with "awn" group) ;D. 

I say "FOO-tawn" too.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 11, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
How do you say 'pasta'?

past-a or pahst-a

the second one.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 11, 2013, 11:51:31 AM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I say pee-can as do most Aussies. I had no idea what a peh-cahn pie was when I first heard about it.

It took me ages to link Craigslist as a word with how people in the US say it. We say Craig completely differently as do the UK. I still don't know how the US gets an e sound in Craig.

My cousin Craig, who lives in Canada, is called Cray-g. My American friends with the same name say it with the soft e sound.

Edited to add that I'm not saying all Americans say it Creg, just that I knew several who did.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 11, 2013, 11:56:27 AM
I have heard Americans say Craig both ways. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 11, 2013, 12:03:47 PM
I have heard Americans say Craig both ways.

True. It's not universal.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: that_one_girl on April 11, 2013, 04:51:39 PM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I say pee-can as do most Aussies. I had no idea what a peh-cahn pie was when I first heard about it.

It took me ages to link Craigslist as a word with how people in the US say it. We say Craig completely differently as do the UK. I still don't know how the US gets an e sound in Craig.

My cousin Craig, who lives in Canada, is called Cray-g. My American friends with the same name say it with the soft e sound.

Edited to add that I'm not saying all Americans say it Creg, just that I knew several who did.

I think I tend to use Creg as a first name and Creyg as a last name.
As in:
"Mr. Creyg, the doctor will see you now."
"Creg, can you help me with my anatomy homework."

Here's my word pronunciation delimma for y'all to take a whack at!
The word is: hearth
Hubby insists it's pronounced like "earth"
I pronounce it like "heart"
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 11, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
Haven't had the chance to read all the way through, but I'm always stumped when I watch those cooking shows and they insist that the "Southern" way to say "pecans" is "Pee-cans." Which just sounds gross to me. My mother, born and raised in rural Alabama, has always said "peh-cahns," and so do I. It's a much softer variation on the word that I think sounds much prettier.

Why in the world would anyone want a "pee-can" pie?

I say pee-can as do most Aussies. I had no idea what a peh-cahn pie was when I first heard about it.

It took me ages to link Craigslist as a word with how people in the US say it. We say Craig completely differently as do the UK. I still don't know how the US gets an e sound in Craig.

My cousin Craig, who lives in Canada, is called Cray-g. My American friends with the same name say it with the soft e sound.

Edited to add that I'm not saying all Americans say it Creg, just that I knew several who did.

I think I tend to use Creg as a first name and Creyg as a last name.
As in:
"Mr. Creyg, the doctor will see you now."
"Creg, can you help me with my anatomy homework."

Here's my word pronunciation delimma for y'all to take a whack at!
The word is: hearth
Hubby insists it's pronounced like "earth"
I pronounce it like "heart"

Hearth like earth.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 11, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
Heart with an h on the end
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 11, 2013, 05:20:23 PM
Heart with an h on the end

Both the Eagle and I say earth with an h at the beginning.

Merriam-Webster says it is pronounced like you pronounce it, Outdoor Girl.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 11, 2013, 06:00:33 PM
I've always heard 'harth' and home.  I've never heard h-earth.

I've got one:  I had only ever read 'hyperbole'.  I thought it was pronounced hyper-bowl so when I heard hy-per-bo-lee, I had no idea it was the same word.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: jaxsue on April 11, 2013, 06:08:43 PM
Heart with an h on the end

This.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Hmmmmm on April 11, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
Heart with an h on the end

This.

I used to pronounce it like harth but change at some point to earth with an "h". But as I'm typing this "harth" sounds better and I think I'll go back to it.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 11, 2013, 06:42:37 PM
I've always heard 'harth' and home.  I've never heard h-earth.

I've got one:  I had only ever read 'hyperbole'.  I thought it was pronounced hyper-bowl so when I heard hy-per-bo-lee, I had no idea it was the same word.

Epitome is the one that catches me.  I SAY Ep-PIT-oh-me, but when I read it, my brain says Epi-TOHM, despite knowing its wrong.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bansidhe on April 11, 2013, 07:18:03 PM
I've got one:  I had only ever read 'hyperbole'.  I thought it was pronounced hyper-bowl so when I heard hy-per-bo-lee, I had no idea it was the same word.

My mother was in college, reading something aloud in a class, when much to her embarrassment she learned that she'd been pronouncing the word "mislead" incorrectly her entire life. She pronounced it "missled" (like "missle" with a "d" on the end).
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: TootsNYC on April 11, 2013, 07:50:34 PM
"roof" and "root"--I pronounce them like "cook," not like "tooth"

Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 11, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
"roof" and "root"--I pronounce them like "cook," not like "tooth"

Both are like tooth to me.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Leafy on April 11, 2013, 08:05:13 PM
I noticed earlier in the thread that some-one said they pronounce Tuesday like the number, so "Toosday". I haven't heard this before so it surprised me a little. Is this common for others and if so, where is it pronounced this way? I would say "Tewsday" (like ewes or few), or if you have a very strong ocker accent you may say "Chewsday" (*shudders*).

My other question is over how people say the fraction 3/4. I always say three-quarters. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in Australia say anything other that "quarter" in reference to all n/4 fractions (happy to be corrected, could be regional). I think that I have seen one or two American posters write three-fourths. Is this common? Which would you say?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 11, 2013, 08:11:58 PM
I noticed earlier in the thread that some-one said they pronounce Tuesday like the number, so "Toosday". I haven't heard this before so it surprised me a little. Is this common for others and if so, where is it pronounced this way? I would say "Tewsday" (like ewes or few), or if you have a very strong ocker accent you may say "Chewsday" (*shudders*).

My other question is over how people say the fraction 3/4. I always say three-quarters. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in Australia say anything other that "quarter" in reference to all n/4 fractions (happy to be corrected, could be regional). I think that I have seen one or two American posters write three-fourths. Is this common? Which would you say?

I say it Toosday, too.  I have lived all over the US, so I don't think it is specifically regional.

I say 3/4 both ways, same with 1/4.  I haven't noticed a pattern to when I say one or the other, but I will try to pay attention and report back.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: HoneyBee42 on April 11, 2013, 08:50:59 PM
I noticed earlier in the thread that some-one said they pronounce Tuesday like the number, so "Toosday". I haven't heard this before so it surprised me a little. Is this common for others and if so, where is it pronounced this way? I would say "Tewsday" (like ewes or few), or if you have a very strong ocker accent you may say "Chewsday" (*shudders*).

My other question is over how people say the fraction 3/4. I always say three-quarters. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in Australia say anything other that "quarter" in reference to all n/4 fractions (happy to be corrected, could be regional). I think that I have seen one or two American posters write three-fourths. Is this common? Which would you say?

Typically, for me, if it's something that's full or filled, I'll use quarter (like the quarter cup measure, my gas tank is three-quarters full).  If it's more counting/length measurement, it's fourth.  But measurements often end up as quarters (like "five feet seven and three quarters inches tall")
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 11, 2013, 09:38:44 PM
My other question is over how people say the fraction 3/4. I always say three-quarters. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in Australia say anything other that "quarter" in reference to all n/4 fractions (happy to be corrected, could be regional). I think that I have seen one or two American posters write three-fourths. Is this common? Which would you say?

100% interchangeable - I say both with no rhyme nor reason for which I choose at any particular time.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: reflection5 on April 11, 2013, 10:02:49 PM
I've always said three-fourths.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 11, 2013, 10:28:12 PM
My other question is over how people say the fraction 3/4. I always say three-quarters. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in Australia say anything other that "quarter" in reference to all n/4 fractions (happy to be corrected, could be regional). I think that I have seen one or two American posters write three-fourths. Is this common? Which would you say?

100% interchangeable - I say both with no rhyme nor reason for which I choose at any particular time.

same here
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 11, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
More often, quarters.  But sometimes fourths.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: cabbageweevil on April 12, 2013, 12:40:38 AM
My mother was in college, reading something aloud in a class, when much to her embarrassment she learned that she'd been pronouncing the word "mislead" incorrectly her entire life. She pronounced it "missled" (like "missle" with a "d" on the end).
That's quite a common mistake, I believe; so is pronouncing it "mizzled". I think the latter (with z sound) actually comes across as quite a good synonym for the "proper" word -- it has overtones of being confused and astray.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Slartibartfast on April 12, 2013, 12:48:17 AM
I noticed earlier in the thread that some-one said they pronounce Tuesday like the number, so "Toosday". I haven't heard this before so it surprised me a little. Is this common for others and if so, where is it pronounced this way? I would say "Tewsday" (like ewes or few), or if you have a very strong ocker accent you may say "Chewsday" (*shudders*).

My other question is over how people say the fraction 3/4. I always say three-quarters. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in Australia say anything other that "quarter" in reference to all n/4 fractions (happy to be corrected, could be regional). I think that I have seen one or two American posters write three-fourths. Is this common? Which would you say?

We always learned "Tewsday" for singing in some styles of music, but I would say "Toosday" most of the time.

The 3/4 thing depends on the context - I'd say "three quarters of a cup of flour" but "three fourths of the class."  In the case of 1/4 I think I'd almost always say "a quarter."  For time it's "a quarderda five"  :P
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Julia Mercer on April 12, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

Bloo, are you in Ohio?  My husband's Cincinnati born and raised family all said "warsh" and "crick".

My late godmother was born and bred in Canada and said the same, plus terlet, etc......
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 12, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Okay, how do you say that it is 7:15 when asked the time? I will say quarter after 7.  I didn't even think anything of it until a friend teased me and said she just stated it as 7:15.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 12, 2013, 04:22:58 PM
Okay, how do you say that it is 7:15 when asked the time? I will say quarter after 7.  I didn't even think anything of it until a friend teased me and said she just stated it as 7:15.

Again, really just depends.  No rhyme or reason, sometimes I say 7:15 and sometimes I say a quarter after 7.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Cami on April 12, 2013, 04:26:07 PM
I just had someone cal in some information and she repeatedly pronounced the number 2 as "ter".  Is that an accent anyone recognizes?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 12, 2013, 04:41:03 PM
Okay, how do you say that it is 7:15 when asked the time? I will say quarter after 7.  I didn't even think anything of it until a friend teased me and said she just stated it as 7:15.

I never say "quarter" when speaking about time. 7:15 is seven fifteen. 45 minutes is forty five minutes not three quarters of a hour, etc. For that matter 7:30 to me is seven thirty not "half past". And don't even get me started on "of" when used with time! I have no idea if "ten of seven" means 6:50 or 7:10 because I don't understand the grammatic of the usage of "of" in the phrase!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: kckgirl on April 12, 2013, 04:44:30 PM
And don't even get me started on "of" when used with time! I have no idea if "ten of seven" means 6:50 or 7:10 because I don't understand the grammatic of the usage of "of" in the phrase!

I never used that phrase until I moved to the Mid-Atlantic region. Ten of seven means 6:50.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 12, 2013, 04:58:36 PM
Thank you, although I'm sure I'll forget again, as like I said I don't understand how that grammar works at all.

I think I just vehemently dislike requiring a person to do math when telling them a time  ;D

"Quarter past" means they have take a moment and mentally figure out 25% of 60, saying "ten of" means they have to figure out what "of" means and then calculate (apparently) seven minus ten minutes. To me time is too important a thing (just think of all the threads about people being late, or early or taking too long, or shorting time, etc) to be futzing around with not being perfectly without a doubt clear.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 12, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Thank you, although I'm sure I'll forget again, as like I said I don't understand how that grammar works at all.

I think I just vehemently dislike requiring a person to do math when telling them a time  ;D

"Quarter past" means they have take a moment and mentally figure out 25% of 60, saying "ten of" means they have to figure out what "of" means and then calculate (apparently) seven minus ten minutes. To me time is too important a thing (just think of all the threads about people being late, or early or taking too long, or shorting time, etc) to be futzing around with not being perfectly without a doubt clear.

I don't do math when told time. I automatically know, regarding time, that quarter = 15, not quarter = 25% of 60.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 12, 2013, 05:07:30 PM
Thank you, although I'm sure I'll forget again, as like I said I don't understand how that grammar works at all.

I think I just vehemently dislike requiring a person to do math when telling them a time  ;D

"Quarter past" means they have take a moment and mentally figure out 25% of 60, saying "ten of" means they have to figure out what "of" means and then calculate (apparently) seven minus ten minutes. To me time is too important a thing (just think of all the threads about people being late, or early or taking too long, or shorting time, etc) to be futzing around with not being perfectly without a doubt clear.

I don't do math when told time. I automatically know, regarding time, that quarter = 15, not quarter = 25% of 60.

Same here. 

I never used that phrase until I moved to the Mid-Atlantic region. Ten of seven means 6:50.

Well that's where I am, and friend who teased me about it said it must be a regional thing, as she's in the Midwest.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 12, 2013, 05:08:47 PM
Thank you, although I'm sure I'll forget again, as like I said I don't understand how that grammar works at all.

I think I just vehemently dislike requiring a person to do math when telling them a time  ;D

"Quarter past" means they have take a moment and mentally figure out 25% of 60, saying "ten of" means they have to figure out what "of" means and then calculate (apparently) seven minus ten minutes. To me time is too important a thing (just think of all the threads about people being late, or early or taking too long, or shorting time, etc) to be futzing around with not being perfectly without a doubt clear.

I don't do math when told time. I automatically know, regarding time, that quarter = 15, not quarter = 25% of 60.

But just because you know it, doesn't mean the person you are saying it to thinks that way. If saying "quarter" isn't the norm for them (and I'm wondering with digital clocks becoming so much more standard then analogs if this is the case for many people) then they have to take that extra second to think "quarter, in relation to time, equals 15."

I admit for me, by now its not even a full second of thought, but its definitely a mental conversion for me.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: starry diadem on April 13, 2013, 12:30:09 AM
Okay, how do you say that it is 7:15 when asked the time? I will say quarter after 7.  I didn't even think anything of it until a friend teased me and said she just stated it as 7:15.

7.15.   Quarter past seven

7.30.    Half past seven

7.45.    Quarter to eight


UK here.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on April 13, 2013, 04:26:36 AM
So how do Americans tell if the person they have just been introduced to is "Craig" or "Greg"?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 13, 2013, 06:31:48 AM
So how do Americans tell if the person they have just been introduced to is "Craig" or "Greg"?

They can hear the difference between a "C" and a "G"
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 13, 2013, 07:44:43 AM
So how do Americans tell if the person they have just been introduced to is "Craig" or "Greg"?

They can hear the difference between a "C" and a "G"

Also, "Greg" has a short e sound, while "Craig" has a long a.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: guihong on April 13, 2013, 08:01:25 AM
So how do Americans tell if the person they have just been introduced to is "Craig" or "Greg"?

They can hear the difference between a "C" and a "G"

Also, "Greg" has a short e sound, while "Craig" has a long a.

I think that's what we were just debating ;).  Some say "Crayg" and others say "Creg" and "Greg" the same.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bloo on April 13, 2013, 08:45:01 AM
I just had someone cal in some information and she repeatedly pronounced the number 2 as "ter".  Is that an accent anyone recognizes?

No. I don't recognize that one. I'm still scratching my head at what I heard when we lived in Western North Carolina, USA:

too-buh-fer

Repeated several times DH finally understood the native:

2 x 4

DH to native (working for him): "Here's your piece of wood, now speak English!" ;D
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 13, 2013, 08:54:51 AM
So how do Americans tell if the person they have just been introduced to is "Craig" or "Greg"?

They can hear the difference between a "C" and a "G"

Also, "Greg" has a short e sound, while "Craig" has a long a.

I think that's what we were just debating ;).  Some say "Crayg" and others say "Creg" and "Greg" the same.

My point is "how do Americans" pronounce it is about as relevant as "how do western Europeans pronounce it" sometimes.  The United States has a LOT of different dialects.  In my neck of the woods, Craig is definitely different from Greg.  In others, a girl with a name like Merry would have to constantly tell people "No, not Mary... MERRY!"
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 13, 2013, 08:56:07 AM
Canadian, not American but I work with a Craig and a Greg.  I don't have any problem, even though they rhyme.  The hard C is a little less emphasized and the hard G is a little more emphasized so the G comes through really clearly.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Hmmmmm on April 13, 2013, 09:30:02 AM
Thank you, although I'm sure I'll forget again, as like I said I don't understand how that grammar works at all.

I think I just vehemently dislike requiring a person to do math when telling them a time  ;D

"Quarter past" means they have take a moment and mentally figure out 25% of 60, saying "ten of" means they have to figure out what "of" means and then calculate (apparently) seven minus ten minutes. To me time is too important a thing (just think of all the threads about people being late, or early or taking too long, or shorting time, etc) to be futzing around with not being perfectly without a doubt clear.

I don't do math when told time. I automatically know, regarding time, that quarter = 15, not quarter = 25% of 60.

But just because you know it, doesn't mean the person you are saying it to thinks that way. If saying "quarter" isn't the norm for them (and I'm wondering with digital clocks becoming so much more standard then analogs if this is the case for many people) then they have to take that extra second to think "quarter, in relation to time, equals 15."

I admit for me, by now its not even a full second of thought, but its definitely a mental conversion for me.

I'm curious about why saying ten of seven requires more math than saying 6:50. If you say 6:50 I still have to do some math in my head to get "I have 10 min before it's 7a.m"

I guess it all depends on why you want to know the time. If someone is timing something I'd probably say it's 6:50. But if we are leaving the house at 7am and my daughter asks the time, I just as likely to say its ten till 7 or ten of 7. I can understand being confused if you don't understand that "of" is being used in place of "till", but once you know the term, I don't understand the math issue.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Sharnita on April 13, 2013, 09:41:21 AM
No, I think most people autmatically know that when you are talking about time quarter = 15 minutes.  I mean if you've ever seen the face of a clock it is obvious that every quarter has 15 minutes/3 hours represented.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: nutraxfornerves on April 13, 2013, 10:36:18 AM
No, I think most people autmatically know that when you are talking about time quarter = 15 minutes.  I mean if you've ever seen the face of a clock it is obvious that every quarter has 15 minutes/3 hours represented.
I think there is a generational thing developing here, as many younger people are much more familiar with digital time than analog (clock face) time, so they don't automatically think in terms of quarters. I was able to find some forum discussions where people said that they had trouble using analog clocks or knew an adult who could not tell time on an analog clock.

I remember having trouble when I learned German--had to remember that "half neun" (half nine) was 8:30. Halfway to nine, not half past nine.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Leafy on April 13, 2013, 08:32:20 PM
Okay, how do you say that it is 7:15 when asked the time? I will say quarter after 7.  I didn't even think anything of it until a friend teased me and said she just stated it as 7:15.

7.15.   Quarter past seven

7.30.    Half past seven

7.45.    Quarter to eight


UK here.

This is what I would say too, but I will also say seven fifteen, and seven forty-five. No particular rhyme or reason. (Australian)

I have a Scottish friend who will say "the back of 8" which I think means just before 8.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 13, 2013, 09:08:48 PM
Communal.

I said it one way today and was corrected by 2 or 3 others.  I wonder if it is regional differences.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Rohanna on April 13, 2013, 10:56:53 PM
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0QUPGfgyHWz

In case anyone is *that* curious about how a semi mid-atlantic accent*  would read most of the words from this thread  ;) Excuse the terrible mic and slight sinus cold...

(Northern Canuck blended with formative/teen years in Britain)

I added "about" to the list because apparently people think Canadians say this huuuugely differently from the rest of the planet, but I simply don't hear the difference.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: 123sandy on April 14, 2013, 02:37:22 AM
Okay, how do you say that it is 7:15 when asked the time? I will say quarter after 7.  I didn't even think anything of it until a friend teased me and said she just stated it as 7:15.

7.15.   Quarter past seven

7.30.    Half past seven

7.45.    Quarter to eight


UK here.

This is what I would say too, but I will also say seven fifteen, and seven forty-five. No particular rhyme or reason. (Australian)

I have a Scottish friend who will say "the back of 8" which I think means just before 8.

The back of 8 is just after the hour.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: reflection5 on April 14, 2013, 03:54:31 AM
I say:
7:15
7:30 (have never said half past, but some of my relatives did/do)
7:45 (sometimes quarter till 8)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: that_one_girl on April 14, 2013, 07:27:29 AM
Communal.

I said it one way today and was corrected by 2 or 3 others.  I wonder if it is regional differences.

I pronounce it like "comm-youn-ull"  same as I pronounce community, commune, and communion
I've lived all over the US, and I can't for the life of me think of any other ways to pronounce it.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: perpetua on April 14, 2013, 07:46:53 AM
Communal.

I said it one way today and was corrected by 2 or 3 others.  I wonder if it is regional differences.

I pronounce it like "comm-youn-ull"  same as I pronounce community, commune, and communion
I've lived all over the US, and I can't for the life of me think of any other ways to pronounce it.

There are two ways of pronouncing it in the UK and I've no idea which is correct or if both are; it's all in the emphasis. Either COMM-un-al or com-UNE-al. A bit like the 'CONtroversy/conTROVersy' debate.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: katycoo on April 14, 2013, 09:17:33 PM
Okay, how do you say that it is 7:15 when asked the time? I will say quarter after 7.  I didn't even think anything of it until a friend teased me and said she just stated it as 7:15.

I never say "quarter" when speaking about time. 7:15 is seven fifteen. 45 minutes is forty five minutes not three quarters of a hour, etc. For that matter 7:30 to me is seven thirty not "half past". And don't even get me started on "of" when used with time! I have no idea if "ten of seven" means 6:50 or 7:10 because I don't understand the grammatic of the usage of "of" in the phrase!

I say quarter past or quarter to.  Or half past.  I never say "quarter of".  That would actually confuse me.  I also don't say "after" but at least that makes sense.

Thank you, although I'm sure I'll forget again, as like I said I don't understand how that grammar works at all.

I think I just vehemently dislike requiring a person to do math when telling them a time  ;D

"Quarter past" means they have take a moment and mentally figure out 25% of 60, saying "ten of" means they have to figure out what "of" means and then calculate (apparently) seven minus ten minutes. To me time is too important a thing (just think of all the threads about people being late, or early or taking too long, or shorting time, etc) to be futzing around with not being perfectly without a doubt clear.

I don't do math when told time. I automatically know, regarding time, that quarter = 15, not quarter = 25% of 60.

But just because you know it, doesn't mean the person you are saying it to thinks that way. If saying "quarter" isn't the norm for them (and I'm wondering with digital clocks becoming so much more standard then analogs if this is the case for many people) then they have to take that extra second to think "quarter, in relation to time, equals 15."

I admit for me, by now its not even a full second of thought, but its definitely a mental conversion for me.

I don't think of it as requiring maths to calculate because I just know.  I wouldn't use any other time-related fractions.

And while I appreciate that in different regions people state the time differently, it honestly would never occur to me that someone would need to do a mental calculation to understand me.

Or, frankly, that there are people who can't tell analog time.  Surely they still teach that in school?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: guihong on April 14, 2013, 09:40:44 PM
This is going to be a stupid question, but what is analog time?  :-[
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: nutraxfornerves on April 14, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
Analog is a clock face
(http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4667&stc=1&d=1258463743)

Digital is numbers
(http://static.general-play.com/thumbs/a4a/84/gpaa40h1f5i0.jpeg)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 14, 2013, 10:14:04 PM
I learned analog time, and even have a few analog clocks in my life. I just never grew up with, or currently associate with, anyone who used "quarter" or "half" as verbiage when talking about time. Its like when someone says "freeway" to me (around here its the "highway"). Its not even a full second, but it is a moment in my head where I need to translate what they they mean. Everyone I know -socially, academically, professionally, etc tends to verbalize time in numbers seven fifteen, seven forty five, etc.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bluenomi on April 14, 2013, 10:28:05 PM
When I moved to the UK it took me a while to work out what time half 8 was. Apparently it is 8:30 or half past 8. It makes sense when you think about it but wasn't what I was used to!

I vary what I say Sometimes it's quarter past or quarter to, other times its x:15/45. I work in 24 hour time so sometimes it will be 20:15 just to make life fun.

When I worked in TV we worked on a 30 hour clock so 2 am was 26:00. That's not at all confusing!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Slartibartfast on April 14, 2013, 11:11:06 PM
I had to disable the clock on my computer screen at my library because so many of the teens would lean over my desk to read the time (signing in to use the computers) instead of looking at the analog wall clock.  I tried my best to teach them how to read it, but the ones with cell phones just started checking the time on their phones instead.  (The ones without would just yell at full volume across the library to ask their friends the time . . .  Grrrr!)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Nikko-chan on April 14, 2013, 11:13:19 PM
I had to disable the clock on my computer screen at my library because so many of the teens would lean over my desk to read the time (signing in to use the computers) instead of looking at the analog wall clock.  I tried my best to teach them how to read it, but the ones with cell phones just started checking the time on their phones instead.  (The ones without would just yell at full volume across the library to ask their friends the time . . .  Grrrr!)

Do they not teach children how to read clocks today?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Dazi on April 15, 2013, 06:18:39 AM
I just had someone cal in some information and she repeatedly pronounced the number 2 as "ter".  Is that an accent anyone recognizes?

I've heard 2 pronounced "ter" in some really rural parts of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and some parts of Northern Florida.  Occasionally, I'll meet someone from Ohio that says it that way as well.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: bloo on April 15, 2013, 09:26:26 AM
I don't think of it as requiring maths to calculate because I just know.  I wouldn't use any other time-related fractions.

And while I appreciate that in different regions people state the time differently, it honestly would never occur to me that someone would need to do a mental calculation to understand me.

Or, frankly, that there are people who can't tell analog time.  Surely they still teach that in school?

Raising my hand as one 'requiring maths'. I remember my mom getting very frustrated with me when trying to teach me how to tell time when I was little, whereas my brother taught himself.

I always wear a watch and got sick of 'doing math' to figure out the time, so when I took up running, I invested in a nice digital sport watch and haven't looked back. I wear it with everything, even my dressy clothes because I'm too lazy to switch out accessories that way. Maybe I'll invest in a pretty, bracelet-type digital (if such a thing exists).  :)

We have analogs and digital clocks all over the house and I can tell time on the analogs, but I've come to accept that I'll always be slower at deducing the time on those.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 15, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
When I moved to the UK it took me a while to work out what time half 8 was. Apparently it is 8:30 or half past 8. It makes sense when you think about it but wasn't what I was used to!

I vary what I say Sometimes it's quarter past or quarter to, other times its x:15/45. I work in 24 hour time so sometimes it will be 20:15 just to make life fun.

When I worked in TV we worked on a 30 hour clock so 2 am was 26:00. That's not at all confusing!

The 30 hour clock sounds a bit odd.  Was that done to accommodate different time zones?  How did it get reset?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on April 15, 2013, 11:33:49 AM
Communal.

I said it one way today and was corrected by 2 or 3 others.  I wonder if it is regional differences.

I pronounce it like "comm-youn-ull"  same as I pronounce community, commune, and communion
I've lived all over the US, and I can't for the life of me think of any other ways to pronounce it.

There are two ways of pronouncing it in the UK and I've no idea which is correct or if both are; it's all in the emphasis. Either COMM-un-al or com-UNE-al. A bit like the 'CONtroversy/conTROVersy' debate.

I said the first, they insisted the latter.  I told them it was regional and they dropped it.  What I didn't like, though, was their presumption to correct me.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 15, 2013, 11:36:05 AM
When I moved to the UK it took me a while to work out what time half 8 was. Apparently it is 8:30 or half past 8. It makes sense when you think about it but wasn't what I was used to!

I vary what I say Sometimes it's quarter past or quarter to, other times its x:15/45. I work in 24 hour time so sometimes it will be 20:15 just to make life fun.

When I worked in TV we worked on a 30 hour clock so 2 am was 26:00. That's not at all confusing!

The 30 hour clock sounds a bit odd.  Was that done to accommodate different time zones?  How did it get reset?

I'm going to take a guess here.  Since early morning is actually considered late night by TV, I'm going to guess that 00:00 to 06:00 simply don't exist, and the rest is as a normal 24-hour clock.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 15, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
My older two boys, when learning to tell time in early elementary, were given worksheets with pictures of analog clocks on them, so I assume it's still being taught that way.

I remember shortly after moving back east after living in S. California, someone told me "You sound Californian".  Which surprised me as I didn't really notice any significant accent from the few native Californians I knew. 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: guihong on April 19, 2013, 04:35:49 PM
My son came home from school yesterday and told me he was learning about the philosophers SO-crates (Socrates), Pla-TEAU (Plato), and Hair-o-DOTE-us, not to mention air-u-STOTE-lee (Aristotle)  ::)  ::) ;D

Edited to change Herod's daughter to the philosopher  ::)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 19, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
My son came home from school yesterday and told me he was learning about the philosophers SO-crates (Socrates), Pla-TEAU (Plato), and Hair-o-DEE-as (Herodias)  ::)  ::) ;D

So-Crates?  EXCELLENT!
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: reflection5 on April 23, 2013, 10:15:45 PM
Sword - heard someone pronounce it with the "w", kind of like "toward".  The w is silent, pronunced like "board".

Prerogative - the first "r" is silent.  Often misspelled.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bottlecaps on April 23, 2013, 10:24:20 PM
Sword - heard someone pronounce it with the "w", kind of like "toward".  The w is silent, pronunced like "board".

Prerogative - the first "r" is silent.  Often misspelled.

I pronounce "sword" with the W. I'm not sure why, I just always have. I know it's not supposed to be pronounced like that, it's just so drilled into me by now that it's hard for me to change my ways, hehe.

However, I must respectfully disagree about the pronunciation of the word "prerogative." I actually had to look it up because I thought, "Maybe I've been saying that one wrong the whole time, too." LOL.

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(Quoted from Google)

pre·rog·a·tive 
/priˈrägətiv/
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: reflection5 on April 23, 2013, 10:36:03 PM
The American pronunciation of prerogative is

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/american/prerogative

(you can listen)

But I don't want a google war. :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on April 23, 2013, 10:45:41 PM
The American pronunciation of prerogative is

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/american/prerogative

(you can listen)

But I don't want a google war. :)

I hear both the "r"s in that link.

MacMillian dictionary even writes out the pronounciation with both "r"s: prɪˈrɑɡətɪv

Miriam Webster: pre·rog·a·tive noun \pri-ˈrä-gə-tiv\
Dictionary.com: pre·rog·a·tive  /priˈrägətiv/
TheFreeDictionary.com: pre·rog·a·tive 
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bluenomi on April 23, 2013, 11:21:01 PM
When I moved to the UK it took me a while to work out what time half 8 was. Apparently it is 8:30 or half past 8. It makes sense when you think about it but wasn't what I was used to!

I vary what I say Sometimes it's quarter past or quarter to, other times its x:15/45. I work in 24 hour time so sometimes it will be 20:15 just to make life fun.

When I worked in TV we worked on a 30 hour clock so 2 am was 26:00. That's not at all confusing!

The 30 hour clock sounds a bit odd.  Was that done to accommodate different time zones?  How did it get reset?

I'm going to take a guess here.  Since early morning is actually considered late night by TV, I'm going to guess that 00:00 to 06:00 simply don't exist, and the rest is as a normal 24-hour clock.

That's fairly close. Our schedule ran from 6am to 6am so to avoid getting confused it was 0600-2959 so it was all on the same day. So Wednesday was 0600 Wednesday morning to 05:59am Thursday.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 24, 2013, 12:10:33 AM
When I moved to the UK it took me a while to work out what time half 8 was. Apparently it is 8:30 or half past 8. It makes sense when you think about it but wasn't what I was used to!

I vary what I say Sometimes it's quarter past or quarter to, other times its x:15/45. I work in 24 hour time so sometimes it will be 20:15 just to make life fun.

When I worked in TV we worked on a 30 hour clock so 2 am was 26:00. That's not at all confusing!

The 30 hour clock sounds a bit odd.  Was that done to accommodate different time zones?  How did it get reset?

I'm going to take a guess here.  Since early morning is actually considered late night by TV, I'm going to guess that 00:00 to 06:00 simply don't exist, and the rest is as a normal 24-hour clock.

That's fairly close. Our schedule ran from 6am to 6am so to avoid getting confused it was 0600-2959 so it was all on the same day. So Wednesday was 0600 Wednesday morning to 05:59am Thursday.

Yeah, our local cable company used to do that a long time ago... new programming day started at 6AM.  These days, of course, it's largely irrelevant, with 24 hour channels and such.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: reflection5 on April 24, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
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I hear both the "r"s in that link.

It's your prerogative to pronounce prerogative however you wish.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mal on April 24, 2013, 09:57:18 AM
Quote from: guihong
Hair-o-DEE-as (Herodias)

Incidentally, that would be correct.

When I was doing voiceover work, I kept stumbling over the combination of the words "with psychic" - I needed about 10 tries to get it right. Why oh why is that p silent >_<
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Thipu1 on April 24, 2013, 10:16:09 AM
Quote from: guihong
Hair-o-DEE-as (Herodias)

Incidentally, that would be correct.

When I was doing voiceover work, I kept stumbling over the combination of the words "with psychic" - I needed about 10 tries to get it right. Why oh why is that p silent >_<

In my working life, we often dealt with the works of 'Her-OH-dee-us'.  That was nothing compared to helping people pronounce  'Nespanetjerenpere'.  Even 'Meroe' was often pronounced 'Mer-OH'.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bottlecaps on April 24, 2013, 11:13:03 AM
The American pronunciation of prerogative is

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/american/prerogative

(you can listen)

But I don't want a google war. :)

I hear both the "r"s in that link.

MacMillian dictionary even writes out the pronounciation with both "r"s: prɪˈrɑɡətɪv

Miriam Webster: pre·rog·a·tive noun \pri-ˈrä-gə-tiv\
Dictionary.com: pre·rog·a·tive  /priˈrägətiv/
TheFreeDictionary.com: pre·rog·a·tive

Yep. :) It's really easy to miss that first "R" I think though, so I tend to give a pass on that word. :)


It's your prerogative to pronounce prerogative however you wish.

Hehe, well said! :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mal on April 24, 2013, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: Thipu1
In my working life, we often dealt with the works of 'Her-OH-dee-us'.  That was nothing compared to helping people pronounce  'Nespanetjerenpere'.  Even 'Meroe' was often pronounced 'Mer-OH'.

Hang on, are we talking about the princess or the poet (the latter being Herodas)?
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: BeagleMommy on April 24, 2013, 11:46:56 AM
After I left government work it took me forever to stop using military time.  The first phone message I left for my new supervisor said that the caller called at 14:22.

Supervisor asked what clock did I have that gave the time at 14 o'clock.  ::)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Bottlecaps on April 24, 2013, 12:39:52 PM
After I left government work it took me forever to stop using military time.  The first phone message I left for my new supervisor said that the caller called at 14:22.

Supervisor asked what clock did I have that gave the time at 14 o'clock.  ::)

LOL! When I was a kid, the first time I ever saw military time, I said, "Uncle Bottlecaps, what's (I can't remember the exact time it was, so I'll use an example) 15 o'clock 43 mean? There is no 15 o'clock!" (It was on a speeding ticket my uncle had gotten, lol.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on April 24, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
That surprises me, I was taught the 24hour clock in primary school and it is used widely here (my cable TV guide, for example).
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: CakeBeret on June 13, 2013, 09:26:26 AM
I know this thread is a bit old, but I found a really cool infographic on variants in pronunciations. (Just click on it to make it bigger)

(http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-USA-map-speak.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on June 13, 2013, 03:16:48 PM
This is astoundingly accurate, when you take into account that on several of these I live on a red/blue border.  :)  The only one I found that I disagree with is "been".  I say it with a long E, and the map says this area is solidly "bin"... but other than that, it's surprisingly true.  I also found it bizarre how small the "Mary/Merry/Marry pronounced differently"area is.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: WillyNilly on June 13, 2013, 03:20:52 PM
I have often heard, and myself joked about, Florida being considered the "sixth boro" meaning Florida might as well be NYC. Its cute to see how for many of these maps, indeed southern Florida often does pronounce things like they do in the NYC area.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: cwm on June 13, 2013, 03:29:49 PM
My accent is very fluid. I'm from right on the edge of the red/blue divide, my best friend's dad is from England and I grew up watching a great deal of BBC to the point where I can sometimes hear regional dialects from England, plus I can note different accents from other countries that usually get grouped in with "British" accents. Aussies, Kiwis, I'm listening to you...

When I spend time in the Ozarks, I sound like I'm from there. When I spend time with my Canadian friends, I sound like I'm from there. Speed, cadence, emphasis, and word choice. So about half of these arguments I say either way depending on where I've been (prounounced like bean, in this case, because I'm not feeling lazy).

As far as the merry/marry/Mary, they all sound the same to me. I say them as the same thing. I can think about how other people might say it and hear it differently, but to me it's all in context. I used to be confused as a young child at Merry Christmas because I had an aunt Mary and at one point asked if she would share Christmas with the rest of us.

I'm in the Tyoos-day camp, not Toos-day. And usually Feb-you-airy. It's a creek that sounds like a creak, unless it's a tiny little trickle, then it's a crick. Yes, to me there is a difference, and it's all a matter of size. But it's always a root like boot, never like foot.

My friend's dad always gets me with VIT-uh-mins and the GARE-age. I say VITE-uh-mins and guh-RAJ. I had never seen the alternate spelling of aluminum until now, so now his pronounciation of that makes much more sense.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on June 13, 2013, 05:54:28 PM
I only disagreed with 3, but when I looked harder, I realized that's because my mom is from an area that pronounces those two differently than the area from where I and my father are from.  Funny thing is, they're only 2 hours apart in PA.  Also, I grew up in PA and never heard it called a traffic circle; it was always a roundabout.  Not sure why that one is different.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on June 13, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
I only disagreed with 3, but when I looked harder, I realized that's because my mom is from an area that pronounces those two differently than the area from where I and my father are from.  Funny thing is, they're only 2 hours apart in PA.  Also, I grew up in PA and never heard it called a traffic circle; it was always a roundabout.  Not sure why that one is different.

I also live in PA, and my experiences are exactly the opposite.  :)
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on June 14, 2013, 12:42:40 PM
I only disagreed with 3, but when I looked harder, I realized that's because my mom is from an area that pronounces those two differently than the area from where I and my father are from.  Funny thing is, they're only 2 hours apart in PA.  Also, I grew up in PA and never heard it called a traffic circle; it was always a roundabout.  Not sure why that one is different.

I also live in PA, and my experiences are exactly the opposite.  :)

I think you and I have talked about this before...you're from the eastern part of the state and I'm from the western.  My mom is from the DuBois/Clarion area and my dad is from where I'm from.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Elfmama on June 14, 2013, 07:52:47 PM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

I think the "warsh" thing may be generational.  My aunts, uncles, and mother say it; they all grew up in PA.  My FMIL says it; she grew up in Texas.  They're all about the same age.
My grandmother, Iowa born (1906) and raised, warshed her dishes and clothes, too.  And after she warshed them, she wrenched them.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Elfmama on June 14, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
Also? Deaf does not equal death. It does not have a th at the end. it has an f sound.

example:
Person: Oh so she's death?
Me: No she's deaf, you know, she can't hear.
Person: That's what I said, death.
Me: *bashes head on wall*
Here in the Balmore region, I hear a lot of the other way around.  "He got shot to deaf" does not mean as it sounds, as if the victim has lost his hearing, but that he has involuntarily discorporated.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Elfmama on June 14, 2013, 08:17:55 PM
I had to disable the clock on my computer screen at my library because so many of the teens would lean over my desk to read the time (signing in to use the computers) instead of looking at the analog wall clock.  I tried my best to teach them how to read it, but the ones with cell phones just started checking the time on their phones instead.  (The ones without would just yell at full volume across the library to ask their friends the time . . .  Grrrr!)

Do they not teach children how to read clocks today?
No.  Not in school, not (sometimes) at home.  I know that DD2 won't -- she can only read an analog clock if it has numbers; she can't look at the relative position of the hands and know that < is either 2:20 or 4:10.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Mental Magpie on June 14, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

I think the "warsh" thing may be generational.  My aunts, uncles, and mother say it; they all grew up in PA.  My FMIL says it; she grew up in Texas.  They're all about the same age.
My grandmother, Iowa born (1906) and raised, warshed her dishes and clothes, too.  And after she warshed them, she wrenched them.

I can't ask my grandparents...but I will ask my mom what her parents said and get back to you.  Grandma M was born in PA in 1928 and Grandpa M was also born in PA I think in 1924.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: Library Dragon on June 14, 2013, 09:34:55 PM
Wow! That map is impressive. 

I grew up in S. California when everyone I knew moved there from somewhere else.  In my home my grandmother was fom S. Missouri, my grandfather from N. Carolina, and my mothe grew up in Buffalo, NY until she was 13.  We spent a lot of time in school learning "the correct way" to pronounce words. 

DH is from NYC and this is pretty spot on too.
Title: Re: How do you pronounce words?
Post by: cwm on June 18, 2013, 10:42:00 AM
Here in the Midwest, it seems everyone will 'warsh' their clothes. I say 'wash'.

I've gotten in the habit of saying 'Wed-nes-day' so I could help my kids and DH learn how to spell it.

When someone says 'let me ax you a question,' I usually respond with, 'You're going to hatchet me a question?' :)

I was confused by 'crick' at first but everyone up here says it. It was always 'creek' to me.

I used to say 'segue' by pronouncing it 'seeg' until my brother said it's pronounced 'segway'. How was I to know, I'd only seen it in books. Same with the word 'dearth'. I thought it was pronounced 'darth' but he informed me it's 'durth'. Whoops.

I say 'cumin' either 'kuh-min' or 'kyoo-min' and have been corrected both ways.

I think the "warsh" thing may be generational.  My aunts, uncles, and mother say it; they all grew up in PA.  My FMIL says it; she grew up in Texas.  They're all about the same age.
My grandmother, Iowa born (1906) and raised, warshed her dishes and clothes, too.  And after she warshed them, she wrenched them.

I had a band teacher who would always tell us to get out the "Warshington Post March". I raised my hand one day and asked him where the R was in Washington. The entire class (including the teacher) had a laugh about it.