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Title: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 08, 2013, 02:04:09 PM
We've all been there... a side track to the discussion starts, it's just getting interesting, and boom: you're asked to start a new thread.  But sometimes, the topic is interesting enough to hold your attention, but you know it won't carry a whole thread by itself.

That's what this thread is for.

This is probably the only thread where there IS no off-topic, because that's the topic!  All I ask is that we divide the thread up a bit... so make it *clear* which "topic" you're responding to.  I'll start:

Re: USians

Since it was getting *good*, I brought it here!  It was mentioned that Yank had negative connotations.  While it's true that it's derived from Yankee, for me, the term really started coming into its own with our soldiers abroad in WWII, so I have only good connotations with Yank.  Yankee, on the other hand, i almost never positive.  Two little letters, but so influential.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Kaora on April 08, 2013, 03:13:56 PM
I've only had neutral conotations with yank/yankee.  Especially as I really know the latter word from history class, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.  Who must've been insane, come to think of it...

Who else would think a feather in the hat was macaroni? :o
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Twik on April 08, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
My father, in the pre-WWII era, was enamoured of a young visiting American lady. While chatting with her, he called her a Yankee in passing, as that was a standard name in Canada for all those from south of the border.

She was from Alabama. It didn't go well from that point on.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Hmmmmm on April 08, 2013, 03:48:16 PM
The USian discussion has been interestly.  About 10 years ago was the first time I learned some citizens of countries in North and South American countries were irritated or offended by US citizens referring to themselves as Americans.  It immediately made sense to me so I stopped and when asked would say I was from the US or from the States.

About a year ago my teen son asked why I did that and I explained. He said he thought it silly.  Amercian's were called Americans while still a colony.  We didnt' name outselves that. Also, the USofA is the only country with America in their name so why not continue to use the long standing globally accepted terminology of an American can be a citizen of the US.  He asked me if I'd ever met a Argentenian or a Chilean who referred to themselves as an American or even a S. American and I had to admit that no. He also asked me how I expected African Americans to refer to themselves, African "from the States".  He also pointed out that if we were to change the definition of American to just generalized continent we'd really mess up the term Mexican American.  With the revised American definition, Mexican American would mean a person from Mexico living on the continent of America, i.e. most Mexican citizens. 

After that discussion, I decided to drop the global political correctness and have gone back to referring to myself as an American... but of course being 4th generation I'm just as likely to say I'm a Texan.

And speaking on generation tracking, what other states do people of other states track the number of generations their families have lived that specific State? Or for that matter, do Canadians? The only other states I've ever heard anyone mention it was in California and it was friend who's family still owned real estate from a family Mexican Land Grant and Louisiana Cajuns will talk about when their family's arrived.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Girlie on April 08, 2013, 03:53:28 PM
My father, in the pre-WWII era, was enamoured of a young visiting American lady. While chatting with her, he called her a Yankee in passing, as that was a standard name in Canada for all those from south of the border.

She was from Alabama. It didn't go well from that point on.

I'm from Georgia. I get it.  ;)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Margo on April 08, 2013, 03:54:14 PM
I've only had neutral conotations with yank/yankee.  Especially as I really know the latter word from history class, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.  Who must've been insane, come to think of it...

Who else would think a feather in the hat was macaroni? :o

 'Macaroni' was a Regency term for a dandy - I think it either was or became a terms for the most extreme, effeminate style of men' s dress (http://www.britishmuseum.org/system_pages/beta_collection_introduction/beta_collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1637773&partId=1&subject=16631&page=1 (http://www.britishmuseum.org/system_pages/beta_collection_introduction/beta_collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1637773&partId=1&subject=16631&page=1))  - I'm guessing the song was making fun of 'colonials' from the backwoods, for trying to be fashionable.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: BB-VA on April 08, 2013, 08:47:28 PM
My father, in the pre-WWII era, was enamoured of a young visiting American lady. While chatting with her, he called her a Yankee in passing, as that was a standard name in Canada for all those from south of the border.

She was from Alabama. It didn't go well from that point on.

I'm from Georgia. I get it.  ;)

So does this Virginian.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Amanita on April 08, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
So does this Nova Scotian!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: mmswm on April 08, 2013, 08:59:55 PM
My father, in the pre-WWII era, was enamoured of a young visiting American lady. While chatting with her, he called her a Yankee in passing, as that was a standard name in Canada for all those from south of the border.

She was from Alabama. It didn't go well from that point on.

I'm from Georgia. I get it.  ;)

So does this Virginian.

I'm from Florida, but I totally get it.  Them's fighting words!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: WillyNilly on April 08, 2013, 09:02:30 PM
And speaking on generation tracking, what other states do people of other states track the number of generations their families have lived that specific State? Or for that matter, do Canadians? The only other states I've ever heard anyone mention it was in California and it was friend who's family still owned real estate from a family Mexican Land Grant and Louisiana Cajuns will talk about when their family's arrived.

I'm a proud 4th generation New Yorker.


And to me, to be a "Yankee" means one thing: you are professional baseball player or perhaps a fan of the baseball team. Nothing more.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: ladyknight1 on April 08, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
I had never seen the term USian before today, and I don't care for it. It seems forced. I am an American, a Texan by birth and a Floridian by choice, AKA a transplant.  :P
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: mmswm on April 08, 2013, 09:08:36 PM
I live in a city that's a major entry point for new immigrants, so generation tracking does happen.  My boys are the 4th generation to be born here, though my great-great grandmother was a toddler when her family moved here from a city in the northern part of the state.  For this particular city, you can't be a whole lot more native, as that move took place 4 years before this city incorporated as an actual city.  A more common scenario though is that people are the actual immigrants and 1st generation.  We're just now starting to see a fair number of 2nd generation.

Edited to clarify:  There's some generation tracking for both city residency in the city and for US Citizenship.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Bijou on April 08, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
I've only had neutral conotations with yank/yankee.  Especially as I really know the latter word from history class, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.  Who must've been insane, come to think of it...

Who else would think a feather in the hat was macaroni? :o
I like the way you ponder stuff. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: gramma dishes on April 08, 2013, 09:37:07 PM
I've only had neutral conotations with yank/yankee.  Especially as I really know the latter word from history class, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.  Who must've been insane, come to think of it...

Who else would think a feather in the hat was macaroni? :o

 'Macaroni' was a Regency term for a dandy - I think it either was or became a terms for the most extreme, effeminate style of men' s dress (http://www.britishmuseum.org/system_pages/beta_collection_introduction/beta_collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1637773&partId=1&subject=16631&page=1 (http://www.britishmuseum.org/system_pages/beta_collection_introduction/beta_collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1637773&partId=1&subject=16631&page=1))  - I'm guessing the song was making fun of 'colonials' from the backwoods, for trying to be fashionable.

Yeah, it was meant to be an insult.  A doodle is a not very intelligent 'country hick' and a dandy is a conceited, ill mannered, pretentious jerk.   Yankee Doodle Dandy was a combination of both those extremes.  Not a very flattering concept at all.
But amazingly it got put to a catchy tune and really caught on as a fun little ditty!  We humans are hard to discourage!   ;D
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: ClaireC79 on April 09, 2013, 03:10:11 AM
Going back to the original thread someone thought USians implied they were users because no other country states their nationality like that
Australians
Austrians
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: crella on April 09, 2013, 05:10:29 AM
Re: USians

'USians' is in the Urban Dictionary as a written, not spoken, name for Americans. I read it instinctively because of the capitalization...if it weren't capitalized, I might have read it 'yuzians', but I guessed that the caps were to be read 'as is' 'U' 'S'-ians. I've only seen in once I think, on Reddit.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: LadyDyani on April 09, 2013, 06:36:27 AM
It was mentioned that Yank had negative connotations.  While it's true that it's derived from Yankee, for me, the term really started coming into its own with our soldiers abroad in WWII, so I have only good connotations with Yank.  Yankee, on the other hand, i almost never positive.  Two little letters, but so influential.

My experience has been the opposite.  The only time I've ever been called a Yank was in a derogatory manner, while traveling through some southern states.  Maybe it's a mid-western thing, but I've never heard the term around here.

As for USians, meh.  I don't have feelings toward it either way, which seems odd, as I usually get irritated at shorthand.

Reading the talk about Yankee Doodle Dandy, the first thought that popped into my head was "So that's the Gangnam Style song from back then, making fun of posers?"
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Thipu1 on April 09, 2013, 06:47:52 AM
I'm reminded of the old definition of a Yankee.

To the rest of the world, a Yankee comes from the USA.

In the USA, a Yankee is someone from the north.

In the north, a Yankee is someone from New England.

In New England, a Yankee is a native of Vermont.

In Vermont, a Yankee is someone who eats pie for breakfast. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 09, 2013, 07:07:11 AM
It was mentioned that Yank had negative connotations.  While it's true that it's derived from Yankee, for me, the term really started coming into its own with our soldiers abroad in WWII, so I have only good connotations with Yank.  Yankee, on the other hand, i almost never positive.  Two little letters, but so influential.

My experience has been the opposite.  The only time I've ever been called a Yank was in a derogatory manner, while traveling through some southern states.  Maybe it's a mid-western thing, but I've never heard the term around here.

As for USians, meh.  I don't have feelings toward it either way, which seems odd, as I usually get irritated at shorthand.

Reading the talk about Yankee Doodle Dandy, the first thought that popped into my head was "So that's the Gangnam Style song from back then, making fun of posers?"

Now that's odd.  I've never heard an American call another American a Yank.  A Yankee, yes, but not a Yank.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: LadyDyani on April 09, 2013, 07:10:34 AM
Now that's odd.  I've never heard an American call another American a Yank.  A Yankee, yes, but not a Yank.

I believe the exact term used in the most memorable incident was "G**-D***-Yank".  There may have been an "ee" sound on the end, but I didn't hear it.  And I'm pretty sure it was said just loud enough for me to hear.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 09, 2013, 07:30:20 AM
When DH was in the Marines and stationed in California, we knew a LOT of folks who were from the south or Midwest.  I think DH and I were one of the few people we met who were from the east.   One of the guys in his company and the guy's wife were from Texas, as was one of their neighbors. 

Well MW and MW2 insisted on calling me a Yankee because I was from Maryland.  I kept saying "Maryland's south of the Mason-Dixon, I'm not a yankee." but that's mainly because growing up I always had the impression that "Yankee" meant someone from above the M-D, or a member of the NY baseball team.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: VorFemme on April 09, 2013, 07:56:23 AM
I've only had neutral conotations with yank/yankee.  Especially as I really know the latter word from history class, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.  Who must've been insane, come to think of it...

Who else would think a feather in the hat was macaroni? :o

At the time the latest fashion in clothing was termed "the macaroni" (think "goth", "emo", or "greaser" for a comparable look with a specific name).  The "macaroni" types ate a newly fashionable dish at times - which is probably where the noodle got its name......

It was mentioned that Yank had negative connotations.  While it's true that it's derived from Yankee, for me, the term really started coming into its own with our soldiers abroad in WWII, so I have only good connotations with Yank.  Yankee, on the other hand, i almost never positive.  Two little letters, but so influential.

My experience has been the opposite.  The only time I've ever been called a Yank was in a derogatory manner, while traveling through some southern states.  Maybe it's a mid-western thing, but I've never heard the term around here.

As for USians, meh.  I don't have feelings toward it either way, which seems odd, as I usually get irritated at shorthand.

Reading the talk about Yankee Doodle Dandy, the first thought that popped into my head was "So that's the Gangnam Style song from back then, making fun of posers?"

LOL

That (bolded) pretty much nails it!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: snowdragon on April 09, 2013, 11:32:47 AM
It was mentioned that Yank had negative connotations.  While it's true that it's derived from Yankee, for me, the term really started coming into its own with our soldiers abroad in WWII, so I have only good connotations with Yank.  Yankee, on the other hand, i almost never positive.  Two little letters, but so influential.

My experience has been the opposite.  The only time I've ever been called a Yank was in a derogatory manner, while traveling through some southern states.  Maybe it's a mid-western thing, but I've never heard the term around here.

As for USians, meh.  I don't have feelings toward it either way, which seems odd, as I usually get irritated at shorthand.

Reading the talk about Yankee Doodle Dandy, the first thought that popped into my head was "So that's the Gangnam Style song from back then, making fun of posers?"


Now that's odd.  I've never heard an American call another American a Yank.  A Yankee, yes, but not a Yank.



I have. Usually, while traveling for concerts in Canada. There used to be a band from Toronto that had a member who was very, vocal about being anti American and some of the fans took umbrage.   Even in conversation with each other a certain section of the fans took to calling themselves and their countrymen "Yanks" - you could hear the sarcasm dripping from their voices when they'd say " Tell a Yank about X the referendum, what's that about?" or "I'm just a Yank - who is X member of Parliament that they are interviewing on TV?" or some such. Or "Exactly why does Z band member hate Yanks so much?"  - in a certain faction of the fans, it became a thing to mock his hatred of us openly.
  I heard it to a much, much lesser extent in NS, Canada- but then it was all in fun. :)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Hazmat on April 09, 2013, 01:04:28 PM
The USian discussion has been interestly.  About 10 years ago was the first time I learned some citizens of countries in North and South American countries were irritated or offended by US citizens referring to themselves as Americans.  It immediately made sense to me so I stopped and when asked would say I was from the US or from the States.

About a year ago my teen son asked why I did that and I explained. He said he thought it silly.  Amercian's were called Americans while still a colony.  We didnt' name outselves that. Also, the USofA is the only country with America in their name so why not continue to use the long standing globally accepted terminology of an American can be a citizen of the US.  He asked me if I'd ever met a Argentenian or a Chilean who referred to themselves as an American or even a S. American and I had to admit that no. He also asked me how I expected African Americans to refer to themselves, African "from the States".  He also pointed out that if we were to change the definition of American to just generalized continent we'd really mess up the term Mexican American.  With the revised American definition, Mexican American would mean a person from Mexico living on the continent of America, i.e. most Mexican citizens. 

After that discussion, I decided to drop the global political correctness and have gone back to referring to myself as an American... but of course being 4th generation I'm just as likely to say I'm a Texan.

And speaking on generation tracking, what other states do people of other states track the number of generations their families have lived that specific State? Or for that matter, do Canadians? The only other states I've ever heard anyone mention it was in California and it was friend who's family still owned real estate from a family Mexican Land Grant and Louisiana Cajuns will talk about when their family's arrived.
Here's my view on the subject.  From the "Phrases/sayings you hate" thread.

USian.

I am many things: a Hoosier, a Disabled Combat Veteran, an American.  But my license plates don't read "Disabled USian Veteran", they read "Disabled American Veteran".  As an American and a Veteran, I find this insulting.  I'm not saying it's meant to be insulting, far from it.  I think most (if not all) of the posters who use the term (The Transatlantic Knowledge Thread is one example) are using it respectfully.  Other Americans, other Veterans, might not mind it at all.  I do.  I get defensive, and unfortunately (and unfairly) affects my view of what the poster has to say.

The discussion got pretty heated, and I had to step away from the thread.

Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: marcel on April 09, 2013, 01:32:59 PM
I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because that erson is, and that is the problem with the word American for a person from the USA, there is no word left to indicate a person from America in general, that does not confuse.


I spend some time on a city that called itself an all American city, and aal I could think everytime I saw that was: Duh, off course it is, it is a city in America. Buenos Aires is an all American city as well, and so is Rio de Janeiro or Quebec No city in America is more American then anbother city in America.


I really do not understand how some people can be insulted by the word USAian or USian. You are a citizen of the USA, except when you feel some kind of shame for your country (and for the people who feel insulted it seems to be the opposite) I do not see how it is insulting to recognize that a person is a citizen of a certain country. I would say that it is the exact opposite of insulting, it is a recognition of your country.


@ Hazmat, I assume you served in the US army/navy/air force, not in the American army/navy/air force.




edited spelling error, too much time posting on another site:)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Cami on April 09, 2013, 01:42:59 PM
I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because that erson is, and that is the problem with the word American for a person from the USA, there is no word left to indicate a person from America in general, that does not confuse.


I spend some time on a city that called itself an all American city, and aal I could think everytime I saw that was: Duh, off course it is, it is a city in America. Buenos Aires is an all American city as well, and so is Rio de Janeiro or Quebec No city in America is more American then anbother city in America.


I really do not understand how some people can be insulted by the word USAian or USian. You are a citizen of the USA, except when you feel some kind of shame for your country (and for the people who feel insulted it seems to be the opposite) I do not see how it is insulting to recognize that a person is a citizen of a certain country. I would say that it is the exact opposite of insulting, it is a recognition of your country.


@ Hazmat, I assume you surfed in the US army/navy/air force, not in the American army/navy/air force.
I've never ever heard of someone from Canada or south of the US border refer to themselves as an American. In fact, I have a friend who is from Costa Rica and they all refer to the day they got their citizenship as "the day we became American."
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Post by: Hmmmmm on April 09, 2013, 01:49:26 PM
I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because that erson is, and that is the problem with the word American for a person from the USA, there is no word left to indicate a person from America in general, that does not confuse.


I spend some time on a city that called itself an all American city, and aal I could think everytime I saw that was: Duh, off course it is, it is a city in America. Buenos Aires is an all American city as well, and so is Rio de Janeiro or Quebec No city in America is more American then anbother city in America.


I really do not understand how some people can be insulted by the word USAian or USian. You are a citizen of the USA, except when you feel some kind of shame for your country (and for the people who feel insulted it seems to be the opposite) I do not see how it is insulting to recognize that a person is a citizen of a certain country. I would say that it is the exact opposite of insulting, it is a recognition of your country.


@ Hazmat, I assume you surfed in the US army/navy/air force, not in the American army/navy/air force.

I can't see a huge need for anyone to say I'm American to indicate they are from the Western Hemisphere. As I said in my post, I've never had a Chilean, Guatamalean, Mexican, or Argentinian say I'm American. (For that matter, I can't imagine a Frenchman saying he was European instead of French.)  Even if someone decided they didn't want to indicate their country, I think the majority would either say they were North American or South American or Central American. The non-US definition of American includes an entire hemisphere.

I not offended by the term USian. I just don't agree anymore with the idea that US citizens are trouncing on other countries rights by continuing to use a term to describe citizens of the United States of America. As my teen son pointed out, we are the only country with the word in our name. It was used to identify us when we were still a colony.

There are many words that have dual definitions and most people are able to understand the appropriate meaning by how it is used in context.

Because the word American has had a long standing (over 200 years) definition to indentify citizens of the USofA, when the majority of us use it, is is recognizing our country.
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Post by: Hazmat on April 09, 2013, 03:17:59 PM

@ Hazmat, I assume you surfed in the US army/navy/air force, not in the American army/navy/air force.
It is one and the same.  Either is correct.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Poppea on April 09, 2013, 04:59:50 PM
I've only had neutral conotations with yank/yankee.  Especially as I really know the latter word from history class, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.  Who must've been insane, come to think of it...

Who else would think a feather in the hat was macaroni? :o

Macaroni is an English term for a fop or dandy.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: selkiewoman on April 09, 2013, 06:55:35 PM
Having inadvertantly started a more lively discussion than I anticipated, I will say that I consider it a facet of etiquette not to take offense where none is intended.  I am frequently referred to as a 'Brit'.  Technically correct, I suppose, but that is not how I selfidentify.  If asked, I identify my nationality as "Scottish".  I no more think of myself as a Brit than a lady from Georgia would recognise herself as a Yank.  We may certainly correct, but we should not be offended where there is no intent to insult.

BTW, the designation "Yank" is still commonly used in the UK to denote a person fron the US.  Sometimes it's merely descriptive, sometimes it could be taken as insulting - it depends on the users opinions of the United States.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 09, 2013, 07:01:26 PM
To me, a Yank and a Yankee are, and have always been, completely different.  When did that change?
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: AnnaJ on April 09, 2013, 08:25:10 PM
I'm from the western United States, so Yank has never been an issue, it always makes me think of the old WWII movies  :)

USian...just no.  I've thought about it since reading it in the other thread and do not feel any kinship toward that term, it simply is not anything I would use to identify myself.  It looks like a poorly capitalized and misspelled word that could not be pronounced in any reasonable fashion. 

So, I'm opting out of USian and staying with American, and I invite anyone from other countries in the Americas to do the same if they wish to do so; however, as Hmmmm says above, most people from other Western Hemisphere countries tend to prefer the more specific designation of their country's name.
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Post by: MsCopper on April 09, 2013, 08:37:46 PM
Add me to the list of not liking USian. I'm a 3rd generation American. A Bostonian with the accent to prove it. Never a yank or a Yankee. USian just feels and sounds wrong to me.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: EllenS on April 09, 2013, 09:38:54 PM
RE: USian,
But people from Holland are not Hollandians - they are Dutch.  People from the USSR (back when there was a USSR) were not USSRians.  People from the United Arab Emirates are not called United Arabs, or UAians.  And folks from the UK may be called Brits (even if they are Scots or Welsh), but they are not UKers.

There is a point at which trying to be sensitive to people's feelings - or how you imagine people might feel, whether or not anyone actually feels that way - can really lead to a departure from common sense.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: selkiewoman on April 09, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
Well, if you must refer to me as a Brit, shouldn't I be more properly a Great Brit? :D
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: AnnaJ on April 09, 2013, 10:10:56 PM
Well, if you must refer to me as a Brit, shouldn't I be more properly a Great Brit? :D

My friend goes by 'most excellent Brit'  :)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Maggie on April 09, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
Like some others I have thought about this since reading it on the site yesterday.  I don't like the term USian.  It does not describe who I am.  I am an American.  I am from the United States of America.  If someone from North or South of the USA wants to be called an American I'm fine with that.  Although I really think they would be as insulted being called an American as I am a USian.  Some said they have seen it online before.  I have been online since 1991 and I have never seen that term before.  I have been on many forums and many sites with many nationalities. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: TootsNYC on April 10, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because that erson is, and that is the problem with the word American for a person from the USA, there is no word left to indicate a person from America in general, that does not confuse.


no, I won't.

They are a Central American or a Guatemalan.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Maggie on April 10, 2013, 01:09:26 AM
I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because that erson is, and that is the problem with the word American for a person from the USA, there is no word left to indicate a person from America in general, that does not confuse.




no, I won't.

They are a Central American or a Guatemalan.

Honestly I am very sure they don't see themselves as an American either and I think they would be upset that someone would call them one.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Ereine on April 10, 2013, 02:04:22 AM
There's some point where you can't control what other people call you (we call Americans a version of USian, though yhdysvaltalainen is far from shorthand and the translation of American, amerikkalainen is probably more common), many countries don't get called by others what they call themselves (we don't and I guess that we could get annoyed because Finland is the name used by our former colonizers). I wonder if people use USian because they feel that the whole name USA is bad, as it seems to lay claim to the whole continent, sort of like if Germany decided to call itself United States of Europe even though most of the continent isn't part of it. Obviously the name is old and unlikely to change.

The Finnish version of Yankee/Yank is jenkki and it can be used for everything that seems American from people to chewing gum to beds and cars. It has also lead to a nick name for the whole country, Jenkkilä, sort of like Yankville.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: paintpots on April 10, 2013, 03:37:35 AM
I think there are some nuances in thought as well here. I don't identify myself as a 'brit' - and I don't know of any British/Scottish/English/Welsh person who would. I personally don't like the term at all, but I understand that some people (primarily from the US) choose to describe us as such. I'm actually half English, half Welsh, so I would say I'm from the UK/British/a Briton.

There are some sets of countries that people (for whatever reason - primarily similarity of language & accent), mentally group together, i.e. USA & Canada and New Zealand and Australia. This means that someone outside those countries/continent may describe something as American, when they actually mean Canadian, or Australian, when they actually mean New Zealand. To someone inside those countries that might seem bizarre or offensive, but to an outsider, it's easily done, although no offence is intended. By using the term USian, it removes the mental ambiguity from American, which could mean Canadian or American (USA). 

I think there was recently on another thread a quibble over someone saying something was 'typically European', when they actually mean German, Italian (or whatever, I couldn't work out what country they were talking about but it definitely wasn't the UK). As someone from the UK, that makes absolutely no sense at all - we don't identify as 'European', and our cultures and histories are so vastly different that it seems a bizarre statement. But from an outsider's perspective, we're lumped together geographically and (for the most part) economically, so what's the difference?

All in all, I think we should recognise that people outside our geographical area may not appreciate our own feelings about our identity, but as long as they're not disrespectful, we should try to take it in a positive light, and not see offence where none was intended.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: StarFaerie on April 10, 2013, 03:57:10 AM
RE: USian,
But people from Holland are not Hollandians - they are Dutch.  People from the USSR (back when there was a USSR) were not USSRians.  People from the United Arab Emirates are not called United Arabs, or UAians.  And folks from the UK may be called Brits (even if they are Scots or Welsh), but they are not UKers.

There is a point at which trying to be sensitive to people's feelings - or how you imagine people might feel, whether or not anyone actually feels that way - can really lead to a departure from common sense.

My mother is from South Holland (a province of the Netherlands) and hence is a Hollander (Not a Hollandian but close). She is also a Nederlander (or dutch if you wish to use the English word), someone who is from the Netherlands. The country is not Holland. Holland is a part of the Netherlands. It's like calling all denizens of the US, Texans. She will also call herself a European but that is not her country designation but her Continental Designation.

No other country, other than Australia, uses the name of the whole continent as the name for it's denizens so it is understandable that this may be controversial and create some discussion. There is no other precedent for it, so I don't see any way to compare it to other country's national designations as you have tried to do above.

The closest may be the Brits as they come from the British Isles (made up of multiple countries) but it applies to all those Countries including Scots and the Welsh except  Ireland, and I'm pretty sure if someone from  Ireland wanted to call themselves a Brit, no-one but themselves would have an issue.

I am Australian. This is both the designation for my country and continent of origin as there is only one country in the continent.

There is more than one country in the Americas and some people from countries other than the US are offended that the US has coopted the "American" designation when they are not the only country in the continental landmasses. I have heard this both from people living in South American Countries (Brazil and Argentina) and from Canadians, so it is a real issue for them.

BTW, I'm not saying it is wrong for people from the US to call themselves "Americans" but there is the other point of view which should be considered and hopefully respected.

And now that I've seen Jammytoast's post, I'd just like to agree with it :)

ETA: Just noticed Autocorrect changed Ireland to Island and I wish to apologise to the Irish for not noticing it sooner.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: perpetua on April 10, 2013, 04:25:42 AM
I think there was recently on another thread a quibble over someone saying something was 'typically European', when they actually mean German, Italian (or whatever, I couldn't work out what country they were talking about but it definitely wasn't the UK). As someone from the UK, that makes absolutely no sense at all - we don't identify as 'European', and our cultures and histories are so vastly different that it seems a bizarre statement. But from an outsider's perspective, we're lumped together geographically and (for the most part) economically, so what's the difference?

All in all, I think we should recognise that people outside our geographical area may not appreciate our own feelings about our identity, but as long as they're not disrespectful, we should try to take it in a positive light, and not see offence where none was intended.


True. I'm from the UK and I despise being described as 'European'. Island mentality perhaps, but many people in the UK do not identify as European. The culture between say, England and Italy, is so vastly different that to lump them together makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: marcel on April 10, 2013, 04:41:12 AM
RE: USian,
But people from Holland are not Hollandians - they are Dutch. 

Thanks for making my point that there is nothing wrong with calling people something completely different from what they call themselves. (The country is Nederland, The Netherlands in English. The people are Nederlanders.) As star faerie said, a person from Holland is called a Hollander. Hollandians merely doesn't make sense because -ian is English, not Dutch.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 04:56:15 AM
StarFaerie and jammytoast put it perfectly :)

I've seen USians innumerable times online since I first entered the web in 1994 - mostly used by people from the US to describe themselves.

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There is more than one country in the Americas and some people from countries other than the US are offended that the US has coopted the "American" designation when they are not the only country in the continental landmasses. I have heard this both from people living in South American Countries (Brazil and Argentina) and from Canadians, so it is a real issue for them.
This. It might not be an issue to everybody, but it is to some.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Venus193 on April 10, 2013, 05:37:12 AM
I've only had neutral conotations with yank/yankee.  Especially as I really know the latter word from history class, and Yankee Doodle Dandy.  Who must've been insane, come to think of it...

Who else would think a feather in the hat was macaroni? :o

 'Macaroni' was a Regency term for a dandy - I think it either was or became a terms for the most extreme, effeminate style of men' s dress (http://www.britishmuseum.org/system_pages/beta_collection_introduction/beta_collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1637773&partId=1&subject=16631&page=1 (http://www.britishmuseum.org/system_pages/beta_collection_introduction/beta_collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1637773&partId=1&subject=16631&page=1))  - I'm guessing the song was making fun of 'colonials' from the backwoods, for trying to be fashionable.

Yeah, it was meant to be an insult.  A doodle is a not very intelligent 'country hick' and a dandy is a conceited, ill mannered, pretentious jerk.   Yankee Doodle Dandy was a combination of both those extremes.  Not a very flattering concept at all.
But amazingly it got put to a catchy tune and really caught on as a fun little ditty!  We humans are hard to discourage!   ;D

You're obviously a fan of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmU0fMJiSf4

I'm a native New Yorker.  It does bug me that the term "American" appears to only be associated with those of us from the USA but I'm not sure we did that ourselves.  My remaining thoughts about that are best left unexpressed.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 05:57:46 AM
No other country, other than Australia, uses the name of the whole continent as the name for it's denizens so it is understandable that this may be controversial and create some discussion. There is no other precedent for it, so I don't see any way to compare it to other country's national designations as you have tried to do above.

I'd like to address just this point if I may.  We Americans *don't* refer to ourselves by continent name.  We don't call ourselves North Americans.  We call ourselves Americans because America is the accepted international shorthand for United States of America.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 06:29:47 AM
The USian discussion has been interestly.  About 10 years ago was the first time I learned some citizens of countries in North and South American countries were irritated or offended by US citizens referring to themselves as Americans.  It immediately made sense to me so I stopped and when asked would say I was from the US or from the States.

About a year ago my teen son asked why I did that and I explained. He said he thought it silly.  Amercian's were called Americans while still a colony.  We didnt' name outselves that. Also, the USofA is the only country with America in their name so why not continue to use the long standing globally accepted terminology of an American can be a citizen of the US.  He asked me if I'd ever met a Argentenian or a Chilean who referred to themselves as an American or even a S. American and I had to admit that no. He also asked me how I expected African Americans to refer to themselves, African "from the States".  He also pointed out that if we were to change the definition of American to just generalized continent we'd really mess up the term Mexican American.  With the revised American definition, Mexican American would mean a person from Mexico living on the continent of America, i.e. most Mexican citizens. 

After that discussion, I decided to drop the global political correctness and have gone back to referring to myself as an American... but of course being 4th generation I'm just as likely to say I'm a Texan.

And speaking on generation tracking, what other states do people of other states track the number of generations their families have lived that specific State? Or for that matter, do Canadians? The only other states I've ever heard anyone mention it was in California and it was friend who's family still owned real estate from a family Mexican Land Grant and Louisiana Cajuns will talk about when their family's arrived.

I'm on my phone so it is a pain to clip the entire post for one.paragraph.  I'm answering about the first when people in N and S America were offended by Americans calling themselvea American.   I have never heard of that, but have heard the opposite in that people in N or S America do not like being referred to as American bc of the continent.  This is true for Canadians.   I'm sure people in Mexico or Argentina feel the same way.   We are the 'ian of our country, not continent.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 06:37:31 AM
Marcel wrote. 
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.   I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because

Absolutely not because then you are saying a Canadian is American and we are not.   We identify with our country, not continent.   
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: TootsNYC on April 10, 2013, 07:00:03 AM
No other country, other than Australia, uses the name of the whole continent as the name for it's denizens so it is understandable that this may be controversial and create some discussion. There is no other precedent for it, so I don't see any way to compare it to other country's national designations as you have tried to do above.

I'd like to address just this point if I may.  We Americans *don't* refer to ourselves by continent name.  We don't call ourselves North Americans.  We call ourselves Americans because America is the accepted international shorthand for United States of America.

Yes.

And we didn't "co-opt" it. We were here first.

And they all HAVE a country name: Canadians, Mexicans. And Guatemalans, Brazilians, etc.

There's also an accuracy problem--if someone SAYS "Americans" meaning "citizens of the US, Canada, Mexico," nobody else is going to know what they mean. Anywhere else in the world.


Marcel wrote. 
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.   I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because

Absolutely not because then you are saying a Canadian is American and we are not.   We identify with our country, not continent.   

Yeah, I don't see people saying, "I'm a North American" they way they might say "I'm a European" or "I'm an African." It's just too big of a continent, and there are too few countries on it. Three. All of which have their own names and all of which think of themselves VERY differently. In North America, we tend to have our "dual identity" be our state/province and then our country,

I don't have any particular objection to USians--I think it's kinda cute. I don't have any problem w/ nicknames.

But I'm never, ever going to concede on "American."
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Hmmmmm on April 10, 2013, 07:03:09 AM
I think there are some nuances in thought as well here. I don't identify myself as a 'brit' - and I don't know of any British/Scottish/English/Welsh person who would. I personally don't like the term at all, but I understand that some people (primarily from the US) choose to describe us as such. I'm actually half English, half Welsh, so I would say I'm from the UK/British/a Briton.

There are some sets of countries that people (for whatever reason - primarily similarity of language & accent), mentally group together, i.e. USA & Canada and New Zealand and Australia. This means that someone outside those countries/continent may describe something as American, when they actually mean Canadian, or Australian, when they actually mean New Zealand. To someone inside those countries that might seem bizarre or offensive, but to an outsider, it's easily done, although no offence is intended. By using the term USian, it removes the mental ambiguity from American, which could mean Canadian or American (USA). 

I think there was recently on another thread a quibble over someone saying something was 'typically European', when they actually mean German, Italian (or whatever, I couldn't work out what country they were talking about but it definitely wasn't the UK). As someone from the UK, that makes absolutely no sense at all - we don't identify as 'European', and our cultures and histories are so vastly different that it seems a bizarre statement. But from an outsider's perspective, we're lumped together geographically and (for the most part) economically, so what's the difference?

All in all, I think we should recognise that people outside our geographical area may not appreciate our own feelings about our identity, but as long as they're not disrespectful, we should try to take it in a positive light, and not see offence where none was intended.

I understand people from other areas lumping citizens of the US and Canada together because we do have much similarity in culture. But you wouldn't use the term American to identify us as a collective group. If you used that term to describe continents you'd be including everyone in both North and South America. North Americans would be a better desription but even then you'd be including citizens of Mexico with a much different culture.

The people I think are most offended by being referred to as Americans are the Canadians. Since the word American has been used for over 200 years to refer to USofA citizens, calling them American really deminishes their separate identity. I honestly think Canadians would be very much against the idea of coming up with a word to describe citizens of the US and Canada combined.

I'm starting to wonder if the seeming backlash to us using Americans is because us of Unites States of America has become less common than just United States. It almost seems that people are forgetting that America is part of our country name.

If someone is bound and determined to use a different abbreviation for us, then USians shouldn't be it. It should at least be USAians. When you go to the Olympics you don't hear "US US US" shouted, it's "USA USA USA".

And like Toots, I think the shorthand is cute. But I won't give up being called an American.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 08:35:10 AM
No other country, other than Australia, uses the name of the whole continent as the name for it's denizens so it is understandable that this may be controversial and create some discussion. There is no other precedent for it, so I don't see any way to compare it to other country's national designations as you have tried to do above.

I'd like to address just this point if I may.  We Americans *don't* refer to ourselves by continent name.  We don't call ourselves North Americans.  We call ourselves Americans because America is the accepted international shorthand for United States of America.

Not really "international". In Danish, "America" is shorthand for either the USA or North + South America - depending on context.

There's also an accuracy problem--if someone SAYS "Americans" meaning "citizens of the US, Canada, Mexico," nobody else is going to know what they mean. Anywhere else in the world.
See above, so the bolded isn't true across the board.
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Post by: Twik on April 10, 2013, 08:38:21 AM
It is if you are speaking English.

For any English speaker to pretend that they do not know that "American" means (in most contexts) "inhabitant of the United States of America" is to be pedantic to the extreme.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 08:44:58 AM
It is if you are speaking English.

For any English speaker to pretend that they do not know that "American" means (in most contexts) "inhabitant of the United States of America" is to be pedantic to the extreme.

I'm not sure I'd agree with you... To anybody in the US - probably, but I've met a number of people from Canada (sorry Sparksal, but I have), Central/South America* and New Zealand who use "America" and "American" in the same way as a Dane would - i.e. to mean either, depending on context.

In most situations it's probably either clear from context or it doesn't matter, but when it does, I make sure to say either "USians" or "People from the US".

* Sorry, just realized I don't actually know if English is the official language for any country in Central or South America. Not sure about that one then.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Twik on April 10, 2013, 09:02:31 AM
I am Canadian, have travelled from the east coast to the west, and I have never, ever, once in my life met a Canadian who used "American" to refer to "all inhabitants of the Americas," instead of "inhabitant of the United States of America" unless in some sort of academic setting, where the context would be clear.

Goodness knows we had enough of a fuss when they decided to use a picture of the "American Robin" on the 2-dollar bill.
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Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 09:10:45 AM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Twik on April 10, 2013, 09:32:18 AM
Context of course makes a difference. However, if you are talking to Canadians about people who live below the Canadian border and above the Mexican one, it is generally agreed that these people are "Americans". Canadians identify themselves in simply as "Canadian".

If you call a Canadian an "American" they will likely take this as an insult, indicating that you do not consider Canada important enough to be seen as a real country separate from the United States. Seriously, don't go into a Tim Horton's, and start talking about "you Americans," unless you want to be thought of as extremely offensive.

You can call people from the United States "USians" if you want (it's an awkward but not offensive term), but be prepared for Canadians to stare blankly at you if you use it. The term is simply not used in this country. We know who the Americans are. They're the ones who think they won the War of 1812.  ;)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Thipu1 on April 10, 2013, 09:36:42 AM
No other country, other than Australia, uses the name of the whole continent as the name for it's denizens so it is understandable that this may be controversial and create some discussion. There is no other precedent for it, so I don't see any way to compare it to other country's national designations as you have tried to do above.

I'd like to address just this point if I may.  We Americans *don't* refer to ourselves by continent name.  We don't call ourselves North Americans.  We call ourselves Americans because America is the accepted international shorthand for United States of America.

I agree with this.  Although 'American' can refer to any resident of the Western Hemisphere, the USA is the only country with 'America' in its name.   It's natural for the residents of every other country to refer to themselves as Mexicans, Canadians, Peruvians, etc.

It may be an unfortunate accident of history that the formal name of the USA includes the name of
the entire Western hemisphere.  But, at least for me, 'Usians' doesn't quite work because the USA
isn't the only country to use the term 'United States' in its formal name.  Please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Brazil is 'The United States of Brazil' (in Portuguese, of course).
Because of all this, there's no PC way of referring to residents of the USA.  'American' seems to be the default and it's been around for so long that the term is going to be very hard to dislodge.     


Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: LadyDyani on April 10, 2013, 09:39:07 AM
Federative Republic of Brazil
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Thipu1 on April 10, 2013, 09:46:05 AM
Federative Republic of Brazil

I stand corrected. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: paintpots on April 10, 2013, 09:48:16 AM
I don't think anyone would use the term USians in speech. That would be bizarre. However, online, where we can't see the nationality of everybody reading, I can see that it makes sense as an unambiguous clarification to anyone outside (or indeed inside) the US.

This is of course a generalisation, but in the UK we frequently use 'America' to refer to the whole of North America. In the same way that people might hazily refer to 'in Europe they do x', we might say 'in America they do x'. We might actually be referring to something that is typically Canadian, but because we're not necessarily intimately acquainted with both cultures and they are very similar in their outward appearances, we refer to 'America'.

Particularly with respect to etiquette where there are regional differences, explicitly separating the US from Canada makes sense, as they clearly do have a separate culture, although I couldn't necessarily tell you what those differences are.
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Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 10, 2013, 09:51:07 AM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

I'm Canadian; I've never met a Canadian that does identify as American, unless they are US citizens, living here.

And I would be very quick to correct anyone who called me American.  Especially when travelling overseas, which I may get a chance to do next year.

Friends of mine have lived in California for almost 15 years.  They still identify as Canadian.
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Post by: Dindrane on April 10, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
No other country, other than Australia, uses the name of the whole continent as the name for it's denizens so it is understandable that this may be controversial and create some discussion. There is no other precedent for it, so I don't see any way to compare it to other country's national designations as you have tried to do above.

I'd like to address just this point if I may.  We Americans *don't* refer to ourselves by continent name.  We don't call ourselves North Americans.  We call ourselves Americans because America is the accepted international shorthand for United States of America.

Not really "international". In Danish, "America" is shorthand for either the USA or North + South America - depending on context.

There's also an accuracy problem--if someone SAYS "Americans" meaning "citizens of the US, Canada, Mexico," nobody else is going to know what they mean. Anywhere else in the world.
See above, so the bolded isn't true across the board.

MariaE, I'm confused. If the Danish use "America" to refer to either the USA or North and South America depending upon context, then it doesn't sound like "American" would mean "people who live in the US, Canada, and Mexico." Because that's just North America (and technically, not even all of North America, since Central America isn't a continent and is part of the North American land mass).

Thipu1, I don't think that Brazil uses the name "United States of Brazil" anymore (though Wikipedia says they used to). However, the official name of Mexico is Los Estados Unidos del Mexico. That seems to be commonly translated as the United Mexican States, but a more literal translation would be the United States of Mexico.

Personally, I'm inclined to give serious consideration to the opinions of the other people who live in North or South American, as far as my use of the term "American" to refer to my nationality goes. But I wouldn't expect anyone else to have a dog in the fight, so to speak.
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Post by: BarensMom on April 10, 2013, 10:05:50 AM
Weighing in late here...

I've never heard or seen the term "USian" before I saw it here.  I always thought of residents of North/South America as Canadian, American, Mexican, Brazilian, etc.  It seems like a very awkward term.

I'm Californian, from a mixed Yankee-Southerner marriage.  Pop was referred to as a not just a "Yankee" but a "Demyankee" by Mom's family for many years.  She was the first to marry outside the region, so poor Pop got the brunt of the teasing.
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Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 10:10:23 AM
MariaE, I'm confused. If the Danish use "America" to refer to either the USA or North and South America depending upon context, then it doesn't sound like "American" would mean "people who live in the US, Canada, and Mexico." Because that's just North America (and technically, not even all of North America, since Central America isn't a continent and is part of the North American land mass).

I managed to read a "..." into that list - i.e. "People who live in the US, Canada, Mexico..." - so not a complete list, but examples :)
 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Twik on April 10, 2013, 10:25:08 AM
I don't see anything wrong with "USian", but I doubt it's going to catch on. Could be wrong, though, and we'll all be saying it in ten years.
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Post by: WillyNilly on April 10, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.
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Post by: CharlieBraun on April 10, 2013, 10:30:53 AM
I ran the "Usian" thing past my group on our practice call yesterday, which is about ten people (NY, Chicago, San Fran, Miami, DC, LA).  Not a single person had ever heard of it, and the overall rating was "pretentious with a side order of twee."

Yesterday was "everyone cut in line" day, evidently, and I was not informed.  I did, however, leave my basket at the counter where cut-in-ski was unloading her cart, and waved farewell to the clerk (who I like.)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 10:36:58 AM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 10:43:25 AM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Hawaii too, I think. Possibly New England as a whole? Or that might just be the stereotypes that makes it across the pond :)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: zyrs on April 10, 2013, 10:46:59 AM
This thread is already at 5 pages!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 10:48:44 AM
This thread is already at 5 pages!

::Sniff::  I'm so proud.  It's seems like she was just a glimmer a few days ago, and now look at her, she's already five.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: AylaM on April 10, 2013, 11:15:52 AM
I'm ok with the term USian as a nickname or something.  I'll never use it seriously though.  And if anyone seriously tried to correct American with USian I'd not be ok with that. 

I'm ok with Yank or Yankee as long as the person using it is not from the US.   Within the US, I've never heard it used as anything other than an insult.  Or a baseball team.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: LadyDyani on April 10, 2013, 11:24:15 AM
Within the US, I've never heard it used as anything other than an insult.  Or a baseball team.

Or both.

I don't think that anyone is advocating for the world to replace the word American with USian.  I think the argument here was whether or not USian was common use, or uncommon.  Some are saying they've never seen it, others are saying they've seen it frequently.

I think everyone here who says they have seen it agrees that it's usually forum shorthand, something they've only seen, not heard.  More like an abbreviation of American than a replacement.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: AylaM on April 10, 2013, 11:38:03 AM
Within the US, I've never heard it used as anything other than an insult.  Or a baseball team.

Or both.

I don't think that anyone is advocating for the world to replace the word American with USian.  I think the argument here was whether or not USian was common use, or uncommon.  Some are saying they've never seen it, others are saying they've seen it frequently.

I think everyone here who says they have seen it agrees that it's usually forum shorthand, something they've only seen, not heard.  More like an abbreviation of American than a replacement.

I didn't expect that people would use it officially.  What I meant was that if I use it, I was probably doing so because I thought it was amusing/funny, not because I really thought I should use it to name my location.  I could easily say "I'm from the USA".

I would expect that anyone who corrected American with USian would be trying to make a statement about the use of American.  And that would annoy me.  Asking "American?  From the US?"  Would not annoy me.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: LadyDyani on April 10, 2013, 11:44:27 AM
Within the US, I've never heard it used as anything other than an insult.  Or a baseball team.

Or both.

I don't think that anyone is advocating for the world to replace the word American with USian.  I think the argument here was whether or not USian was common use, or uncommon.  Some are saying they've never seen it, others are saying they've seen it frequently.

I think everyone here who says they have seen it agrees that it's usually forum shorthand, something they've only seen, not heard.  More like an abbreviation of American than a replacement.

I didn't expect that people would use it officially.  What I meant was that if I use it, I was probably doing so because I thought it was amusing/funny, not because I really thought I should use it to name my location.  I could easily say "I'm from the USA".

I would expect that anyone who corrected American with USian would be trying to make a statement about the use of American.  And that would annoy me.  Asking "American?  From the US?"  Would not annoy me.

I think I misspoke and didn't make the point I was trying to.  This is why I'm an editor and not a writer.  :-)  I was trying to say I didn't think anyone would correct the word American with USian, because it's more of an abbreviation, it means the same thing.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Bijou on April 10, 2013, 11:51:59 AM
Getting back to having a "Miscellaneous thread for things that don't deserve their own thread",  I question this.  Everyone who starts a thread probably believes it is deserving of being on the board for comments.  Personally, I want to know what the gist of the thread is going to be before I read it.  I don't want to have to guess if it is something I'm interested in reading about. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: gramma dishes on April 10, 2013, 11:57:11 AM
LOL!  ^^^

I love the idea of a "miscellaneous" thread.  It's like a 'surprise box' when you're sick.  You never know what's inside until you open it and each time you open it there may be a whole new different "present"!!   ;D
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MerryCat on April 10, 2013, 12:01:35 PM
I think that the whole "USian" thing has been taken very much out of context. I'm not sure that anyone's suggesting replacing "American" with "USian" or suggesting that it is the correct, or even a particularly common, usage in everyday life.

It's just a written shorthand that shows up from time to time in certain corners of the internet. If you've never heard of it, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, or that it is in some way dismissive.

On certain travel forums "USian" comes up a lot, as does "UKer" and various other shorthand names for countries. The people who use the abberviations for each country most often are the people from said country. Probably because they have the most to say about their country and can't be bothered to type the whole name each time.

I doubt anyone on those forums self-identify as "USians" or "UKers" or whatever. They  just want to save themselves a few keystrokes. And if they don't have a problem with it, I don't think it's rude of me to use the same term. Sort of like writing "Xmas" instead of "Christmas."

Now, I get that it's a forum culture thing too. On this forum I won't use those terms since in seems to offend so many people. But by the same token, I don't think it's particularly kind assume that anyone who does use this term is being dismissive or intentionally offensive. Especially since, on other forums, Americans use the terms "USian" as a written/typed shorthand to refer to themselves.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 12:03:46 PM
Getting back to having a "Miscellaneous thread for things that don't deserve their own thread",  I question this.  Everyone who starts a thread probably believes it is deserving of being on the board for comments.  Personally, I want to know what the gist of the thread is going to be before I read it.  I don't want to have to guess if it is something I'm interested in reading about.

The reason I made this thread is, there have been many times where a thread has sidetracked, and the sidetrack is actually interesting, albeit to a small group of people.  Then, those people are asked to take it to its own thread, which is great... but it's kind of like the old adage of "why don't they offer up cable completely a la carte," with the answer being that although you may love the three-guys-named-Bill-playing-Parcheesi" channel, if it's not included with other channels it will have too few people interested in it.

So this is basically the equivalent of a cable package... all those sidetracks that are interesting to you, but you just know wouldn't go a whole page if it wasn't in with other topics (admittedly, this one subverted that.  :D)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: LadyDyani on April 10, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
I think that the whole "USian" thing has been taken very much out of context. I'm not sure that anyone's suggesting replacing "American" with "USian" or suggesting that it is the correct, or even a particularly common, usage in everyday life.

It's just a written shorthand that shows up from time to time in certain corners of the internet. If you've never heard of it, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, or that it is in some way dismissive.

On certain travel forums "USian" comes up a lot, as does "UKer" and various other shorthand names for countries. The people who use the abberviations for each country most often are the people from said country. Probably because they have the most to say about their country and can't be bothered to type the whole name each time.

I doubt anyone on those forums self-identify as "USians" or "UKers" or whatever. They  just want to save themselves a few keystrokes. And if they don't have a problem with it, I don't think it's rude of me to use the same term. Sort of like writing "Xmas" instead of "Christmas."

Now, I get that it's a forum culture thing too. On this forum I won't use those terms since in seems to offend so many people. But by the same token, I don't think it's particularly kind assume that anyone who does use this term is being dismissive or intentionally offensive. Especially since, on other forums, Americans use the terms "USian" as a written/typed shorthand to refer to themselves.

And then MerryCat goes and proves why I'm not a writer.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 12:28:15 PM
I'm going to go ahead and say it:  I'm not offended.  I'm not upset.  I ain't even mad.  Honestly, I was puzzled, is all.  It was a phrase that I've never heard, and nor has anyone I've talked to.  If anything, it just seems... forced.

But hey, I'm not the final authority on language, so use it if you want to.  :)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: WillyNilly on April 10, 2013, 12:48:16 PM
Getting back to having a "Miscellaneous thread for things that don't deserve their own thread",  I question this.  Everyone who starts a thread probably believes it is deserving of being on the board for comments.  Personally, I want to know what the gist of the thread is going to be before I read it.  I don't want to have to guess if it is something I'm interested in reading about.

The reason I made this thread is, there have been many times where a thread has sidetracked, and the sidetrack is actually interesting, albeit to a small group of people.  Then, those people are asked to take it to its own thread, which is great... but it's kind of like the old adage of "why don't they offer up cable completely a la carte," with the answer being that although you may love the three-guys-named-Bill-playing-Parcheesi" channel, if it's not included with other channels it will have too few people interested in it.

So this is basically the equivalent of a cable package... all those sidetracks that are interesting to you, but you just know wouldn't go a whole page if it wasn't in with other topics (admittedly, this one subverted that.  :D)

On that note, a new topic, sort of a question but not really enough of a factual one to go in the "this might be a stupid question" thread:

Do [other] people really only eat basil as pesto?

With spring approaching (in the USA  ;D ) conversations, FB, etc are turning to talk of gardens and fresh produce etc. Basil gets mentioned. So I note how easy basil is to grow, and how it just keeps producing, etc. I mention with pride how bushy my basils are and how I have to harvest several leaves a week to keep them in check. And without fail, seriously every single conversation I have ever had and mentioned my basil plants, someone says "oh, well you should make pesto!" As if this is A) a terribly ingenious idea that would have never occurred to dumb ole me before and B) the way to use basil. (Once someone even said "basil? Nah I don't like pesto.")

I like pesto, and occasionally I do make it (and sometimes when I do, I use other fresh greens then basil! And other cheeses and other nuts! Oh the humanity!) But gee whiz folks, basil is also delicious in tomato dishes, or in eggs, or mixed into salad, or mixed into rice our couscous or quinoa, in Thai curry, its good raw, or cooked into dishes, whole leaves or large cuts or diced - there are so many ways to use basil other then just pureed with olive oil,  Parmigiano Reggiano and pine nuts!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 12:50:59 PM
WillyNilly, not in my circle! We love fresh basil on/in a lot of things. My favourite is pizza with mozzerella, tomatoes and basil :) YUM :D
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: LadyDyani on April 10, 2013, 12:59:21 PM
I make an awesome fresh basil tomato sauce.  Fresh basil is also good on pizza.  Mmmm, white sauce pizza with basil, mozzarella and chicken.  Now I'm hungry.

I usually only use basil pesto for a couple of dishes, or I add extra oil and use it for bread dipping.

Although making pesto is a good way to use it up if you have a huge amount and nothing to do with it. I actually use dried basil to make pesto. The taste is really concentrated.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Hmmmmm on April 10, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
WillyNilly, not in my circle! We love fresh basil on/in a lot of things. My favourite is pizza with mozzerella, tomatoes and basil :) YUM :D

I'm not a pesto fan but I love fresh basil, especially lemon basil and Thai basil.

I hear you about the suggestion of making pesto. It's like people suggesting making a caprese salad, but they don't call it that. They think it's a brand new idea to combine fresh mozarella and tomatoes with fresh basil.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 01:54:07 PM
Re: Basil

I love a good tomato and basil spaghetti sauce.  :)  It's my second favorite, my favorite being garlic and onion.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Twik on April 10, 2013, 01:57:36 PM
I'm going to have to grow my own, because every single time I happily pop off to the grocery for a recipe I'm making that uses the fresh stuff, they are ALWAYS out.  >:(
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: WillyNilly on April 10, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
Twik - its really a very easy plant to grow. All it needs is a sunny windowsill or sunny spot in your yard (although I recommend still doing it in a container - otherwise it will spread!) and regular watering. I currently have one potted dwarf Greek basil and 2 sweet basils in my hydroponics. I harvest about 2-4 dozen leaves a week at least.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
I think there are some nuances in thought as well here. I don't identify myself as a 'brit' - and I don't know of any British/Scottish/English/Welsh person who would. I personally don't like the term at all, but I understand that some people (primarily from the US) choose to describe us as such. I'm actually half English, half Welsh, so I would say I'm from the UK/British/a Briton.

There are some sets of countries that people (for whatever reason - primarily similarity of language & accent), mentally group together, i.e. USA & Canada and New Zealand and Australia. This means that someone outside those countries/continent may describe something as American, when they actually mean Canadian, or Australian, when they actually mean New Zealand. To someone inside those countries that might seem bizarre or offensive, but to an outsider, it's easily done, although no offence is intended. By using the term USian, it removes the mental ambiguity from American, which could mean Canadian or American (USA). 

I think there was recently on another thread a quibble over someone saying something was 'typically European', when they actually mean German, Italian (or whatever, I couldn't work out what country they were talking about but it definitely wasn't the UK). As someone from the UK, that makes absolutely no sense at all - we don't identify as 'European', and our cultures and histories are so vastly different that it seems a bizarre statement. But from an outsider's perspective, we're lumped together geographically and (for the most part) economically, so what's the difference?

All in all, I think we should recognise that people outside our geographical area may not appreciate our own feelings about our identity, but as long as they're not disrespectful, we should try to take it in a positive light, and not see offence where none was intended.

I understand people from other areas lumping citizens of the US and Canada together because we do have much similarity in culture. But you wouldn't use the term American to identify us as a collective group. If you used that term to describe continents you'd be including everyone in both North and South America. North Americans would be a better desription but even then you'd be including citizens of Mexico with a much different culture.

The people I think are most offended by being referred to as Americans are the Canadians. Since the word American has been used for over 200 years to refer to USofA citizens, calling them American really deminishes their separate identity. I honestly think Canadians would be very much against the idea of coming up with a word to describe citizens of the US and Canada combined.

I'm starting to wonder if the seeming backlash to us using Americans is because us of Unites States of America has become less common than just United States. It almost seems that people are forgetting that America is part of our country name.

If someone is bound and determined to use a different abbreviation for us, then USians shouldn't be it. It should at least be USAians. When you go to the Olympics you don't hear "US US US" shouted, it's "USA USA USA".

And like Toots, I think the shorthand is cute. But I won't give up being called an American.

You are very right about that.  It is nothing against Americans.  Canadians have a separate identity and culture.  We are very protective of that and you are also right that a combined Canada/US name would not go over well in Canada.   Although, Can/Am is a frequent term to describe the two countries.   
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: CharlieBraun on April 10, 2013, 02:01:38 PM
I'm not seeing the replacement word for Americans taking the nation by storm, but I was wrong about Kim kardashian, so....
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 02:03:20 PM


There's also an accuracy problem--if someone SAYS "Americans" meaning "citizens of the US, Canada, Mexico," nobody else is going to know what they mean. Anywhere else in the world.
See above, so the bolded isn't true across the board.

Whenever I travel, people in Europe, Asia, Australia know there is a difference between Canada and the US.  If they hear I am Canadian, they know it is a different country.  They don't lump "Americans" into one continental category that often, if at all, in my experience. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 02:06:34 PM
It is if you are speaking English.

For any English speaker to pretend that they do not know that "American" means (in most contexts) "inhabitant of the United States of America" is to be pedantic to the extreme.

I'm not sure I'd agree with you... To anybody in the US - probably, but I've met a number of people from Canada (sorry Sparksal, but I have), Central/South America* and New Zealand who use "America" and "American" in the same way as a Dane would - i.e. to mean either, depending on context.

In most situations it's probably either clear from context or it doesn't matter, but when it does, I make sure to say either "USians" or "People from the US".

* Sorry, just realized I don't actually know if English is the official language for any country in Central or South America. Not sure about that one then.

I believe the only context you mean would be to refer to something continental when talking about N. or S. America, something relating to the continent as a whole.  I would say I'm going to S. America on a trip, for instance and then expand on what country(s) I would be visiting.  But it is rare for a Canadian to refer to America (we refer to the US as "The States") lumping Canadians as Americans.  We just don't do that.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 02:10:12 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

We don't identify as Americans at all.  I think this is something that occurs in countries and continents outside Canada and the US.  Most know Canada and the US are different countries, but they don't realize the cultures and identities are so different.   When I have been overseas, many times I will be asked if I am American.  My response is, No, I am Canadian.  Some people respond it is the same thing, but I politely correct them.  Many others respond that they realize the difference, but don't realize the different cultural identity. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 02:11:13 PM
Context of course makes a difference. However, if you are talking to Canadians about people who live below the Canadian border and above the Mexican one, it is generally agreed that these people are "Americans". Canadians identify themselves in simply as "Canadian".

If you call a Canadian an "American" they will likely take this as an insult, indicating that you do not consider Canada important enough to be seen as a real country separate from the United States. Seriously, don't go into a Tim Horton's, and start talking about "you Americans," unless you want to be thought of as extremely offensive.

You can call people from the United States "USians" if you want (it's an awkward but not offensive term), but be prepared for Canadians to stare blankly at you if you use it. The term is simply not used in this country. We know who the Americans are. They're the ones who think they won the War of 1812.  ;)

Pod on everything.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 02:13:01 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

I'm Canadian; I've never met a Canadian that does identify as American, unless they are US citizens, living here.

And I would be very quick to correct anyone who called me American.  Especially when travelling overseas, which I may get a chance to do next year.

Friends of mine have lived in California for almost 15 years.  They still identify as Canadian.

I have lived in the US for 10 years.  I am Canadian and always will be.  I haven't taken US citizenship and don't have plans to do so.  I may change my mind, but at this time, I am happy with my status quo.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Twik on April 10, 2013, 02:15:48 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

Maria, I'm wondering - is that when you're speaking Danish with them? Because it sounds like English and Danish use very different terminology here.

I've never heard of Canadians choosing to identify themselves as Americans when travelling. In fact, there are all sorts of stories (mostly, I hope, urban legends) that we get better treatment if we make it clear we're Canadian.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 02:21:32 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

Maria, I'm wondering - is that when you're speaking Danish with them? Because it sounds like English and Danish use very different terminology here.

I've never heard of Canadians choosing to identify themselves as Americans when travelling. In fact, there are all sorts of stories (mostly, I hope, urban legends) that we get better treatment if we make it clear we're Canadian.

There's the old joke that if the plane is hijacked, if you're American say you're Canadian!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: 2littlemonkeys on April 10, 2013, 02:55:21 PM
Getting back to having a "Miscellaneous thread for things that don't deserve their own thread",  I question this.  Everyone who starts a thread probably believes it is deserving of being on the board for comments.  Personally, I want to know what the gist of the thread is going to be before I read it.  I don't want to have to guess if it is something I'm interested in reading about.

The reason I made this thread is, there have been many times where a thread has sidetracked, and the sidetrack is actually interesting, albeit to a small group of people.  Then, those people are asked to take it to its own thread, which is great... but it's kind of like the old adage of "why don't they offer up cable completely a la carte," with the answer being that although you may love the three-guys-named-Bill-playing-Parcheesi" channel, if it's not included with other channels it will have too few people interested in it.

So this is basically the equivalent of a cable package... all those sidetracks that are interesting to you, but you just know wouldn't go a whole page if it wasn't in with other topics (admittedly, this one subverted that.  :D)

On that note, a new topic, sort of a question but not really enough of a factual one to go in the "this might be a stupid question" thread:

Do [other] people really only eat basil as pesto?

With spring approaching (in the USA  ;D ) conversations, FB, etc are turning to talk of gardens and fresh produce etc. Basil gets mentioned. So I note how easy basil is to grow, and how it just keeps producing, etc. I mention with pride how bushy my basils are and how I have to harvest several leaves a week to keep them in check. And without fail, seriously every single conversation I have ever had and mentioned my basil plants, someone says "oh, well you should make pesto!" As if this is A) a terribly ingenious idea that would have never occurred to dumb ole me before and B) the way to use basil. (Once someone even said "basil? Nah I don't like pesto.")

I like pesto, and occasionally I do make it (and sometimes when I do, I use other fresh greens then basil! And other cheeses and other nuts! Oh the humanity!) But gee whiz folks, basil is also delicious in tomato dishes, or in eggs, or mixed into salad, or mixed into rice our couscous or quinoa, in Thai curry, its good raw, or cooked into dishes, whole leaves or large cuts or diced - there are so many ways to use basil other then just pureed with olive oil,  Parmigiano Reggiano and pine nuts!

I grow basil and hardly ever make pesto.  I like to chop it up and put it on pasta dishes or pizza.  Sometimes I'll use it in lieu of lettuce on burgers.  And that's if my kids haven't stripped it bare from eating it right off the plant.  mmm...basil...I just planted some from seed and I can't wait until it matures.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 03:03:18 PM
That's it.  I'm planting some basil.  Now I just need the right sized pot for indoor growth.  And a place the cats won't munch on it.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Elisabunny on April 10, 2013, 03:17:45 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Margo on April 10, 2013, 03:18:16 PM
I think there are some nuances in thought as well here. I don't identify myself as a 'brit' - and I don't know of any British/Scottish/English/Welsh person who would. I personally don't like the term at all, but I understand that some people (primarily from the US) choose to describe us as such. I'm actually half English, half Welsh, so I would say I'm from the UK/British/a Briton.

There are some sets of countries that people (for whatever reason - primarily similarity of language & accent), mentally group together, i.e. USA & Canada and New Zealand and Australia. This means that someone outside those countries/continent may describe something as American, when they actually mean Canadian, or Australian, when they actually mean New Zealand. To someone inside those countries that might seem bizarre or offensive, but to an outsider, it's easily done, although no offence is intended. By using the term USian, it removes the mental ambiguity from American, which could mean Canadian or American (USA). 

I think there was recently on another thread a quibble over someone saying something was 'typically European', when they actually mean German, Italian (or whatever, I couldn't work out what country they were talking about but it definitely wasn't the UK). As someone from the UK, that makes absolutely no sense at all - we don't identify as 'European', and our cultures and histories are so vastly different that it seems a bizarre statement. But from an outsider's perspective, we're lumped together geographically and (for the most part) economically, so what's the difference?

All in all, I think we should recognise that people outside our geographical area may not appreciate our own feelings about our identity, but as long as they're not disrespectful, we should try to take it in a positive light, and not see offence where none was intended.

This interested me, (as another Briton) I realised that which I would not normally self-identify as 'European', for the reasons you've given. An American friend of mine was in the UK recently. While she was planning her trip she made a comment in an email to me about how much she was looking forward to her trip to Europe, and my initial response was to think "that's funny, I didn't know you were going to Europe - I thought you were spending the whole week in England" (I did realise what she meant before I replied, however!)

That said, there are some situations where I would identify as both English and European.

(also, as the poster who inadvertently sparked this off by using 'USians, I've found the comments really interesting. I'd like to say that I had no idea that anyone would find it either unfamiliar or offensive - if I had, I would not have used it. I learned it from (American) posters on other boards where it's used simply as shorthand, with no negative implications at all)

I love pesto, but also use fresh basil in lots of other things. When I can get it. It may be easy to grow, but apparently does not survive being slept on by a large cat.  (although it makes the cat smell nice for a while)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: dawbs on April 10, 2013, 03:22:59 PM
That's it.  I'm planting some basil.  Now I just need the right sized pot for indoor growth.  And a place the cats won't munch on it.
FWIW, I've had a dickens of a time, over the years, keeping the cats out of my plants...
Now I have a small ikea greenhouse.
Added bonus, it helps me not have to water things so often.

They no longer make 'mine', but this is similar:  http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70186603/
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 03:43:12 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

Maria, I'm wondering - is that when you're speaking Danish with them? Because it sounds like English and Danish use very different terminology here.

I've never heard of Canadians choosing to identify themselves as Americans when travelling. In fact, there are all sorts of stories (mostly, I hope, urban legends) that we get better treatment if we make it clear we're Canadian.

Ohhh!! I missed that Maria is speaking a different language.  Yes, I agree with Twik.  Different language and use of terminology. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 03:47:08 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)

You would say you're an Idahoan instead of an American?
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: sparksals on April 10, 2013, 04:22:09 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)

You would say you're an Idahoan instead of an American?

I find most Americans say they are from a State instead of from a Nation when I am traveling.  Canadians do do that.  We say we were from Canada.  We don't say we are Albertan, Manitoban... only in our own country when someone asks where we are from and people either answer Province or City. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 10, 2013, 04:28:11 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)

You would say you're an Idahoan instead of an American?

I find most Americans say they are from a State instead of from a Nation when I am traveling.  Canadians do do that.  We say we were from Canada.  We don't say we are Albertan, Manitoban... only in our own country when someone asks where we are from and people either answer Province or City.

Huh.  If someone (outside the US who doesn't know anything about me) asks me where I'm from, I'll usually say America, then if they want to be more specific, I'll say the East Coast or Philadelphia.  Really, PA itself would never enter my head, but then again, PA's a wide state, and there's a lot of PA that's very different than Philly or Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: EllenS on April 10, 2013, 05:06:02 PM
Re: Basil.
I love using it as a salad green, especially the Black Opal basil (lovely purple leaves and stems)

Really, I have found many herbs quite easy to grow, and many of them, such as rosemary and lavender, prefer a minerally soil that is a bit dry, so if I want to grow something in the parts of my yard that are too poor for veggies, and don't want to amend, the herbs do great there.

Any sunny patch in a temperate climate I would try sticking some thyme and rosemary, and see what you get - they will go for years.  Mint and lemon balm like a damper location, and can stand some shade - but watch out, because mint will take over.

Fresh mint and thyme together make a really nice and tasty tea that is soothing for coughs and colds.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 10, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
I will say I'm from Maryland because "Marylander" sounds weird to me when I say it.

As for herbs, I love growing dill and parsley because they're so easy for one and two, there's a recipe I love to make, corned beef and dill that uses both and while it's fine on its own with store-bought herbs, having them fresh makes it all the better! :)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: AuntieA on April 10, 2013, 08:02:32 PM
re: USians

On another forum where I am a member, we use the terms "USanian" and Canuckistani". All in a joking way, of course.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Bijou on April 10, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Getting back to having a "Miscellaneous thread for things that don't deserve their own thread",  I question this.  Everyone who starts a thread probably believes it is deserving of being on the board for comments.  Personally, I want to know what the gist of the thread is going to be before I read it.  I don't want to have to guess if it is something I'm interested in reading about.

The reason I made this thread is, there have been many times where a thread has sidetracked, and the sidetrack is actually interesting, albeit to a small group of people.  Then, those people are asked to take it to its own thread, which is great... but it's kind of like the old adage of "why don't they offer up cable completely a la carte," with the answer being that although you may love the three-guys-named-Bill-playing-Parcheesi" channel, if it's not included with other channels it will have too few people interested in it.

So this is basically the equivalent of a cable package... all those sidetracks that are interesting to you, but you just know wouldn't go a whole page if it wasn't in with other topics (admittedly, this one subverted that.  :D)
Well, I do see your point about the thread.  Maybe I was hungry and crabby (OK, go ahead.  Blame the refrigerator!)  and not wanting to go to exercise class when I responded.   
But why cant I get and pay for the channels I want and not a bunch of other junk!  I hate having 300 channels when I watch only about 7 or 8, if that.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Dazi on April 10, 2013, 08:29:10 PM
Re: basil.  Some years ago I had a nice Little window herb garden growing.  I came home one day and my cat had eaten and dug it all up.  On the plus side, he had some really nice breath.

I chucked the remainder of the potting soil that managed to stay in the pot out in the yard.  That was 5 years ago.  I recently ran out of basil and realized I had seen some in the yard...so I went and picked some out in my yard...5 years later, no tending, still getting basil, chives, rosemary, sage and mint popping up.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Bijou on April 10, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
I love it when it's dinnertime, I don't feel like fixing anything, am hungry but lazy and lazy is winning out, and my son comes by with some ribs he baked.   :P
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 10, 2013, 08:34:09 PM
Re: basil.  Some years ago I had a nice Little window herb garden growing.  I came home one day and my cat had eaten and dug it all up.  On the plus side, he had some really nice breath.

I chucked the remainder of the potting soil that managed to stay in the pot out in the yard.  That was 5 years ago.  I recently ran out of basil and realized I had seen some in the yard...so I went and picked some out in my yard...5 years later, no tending, still getting basil, chives, rosemary, sage and mint popping up.

You are so lucky.  In my climate, only the chives and the mint come back year to year.  Everything else has to be replanted every spring.

I used to keep pots of parsley, rotating them to a lower shelf, just for my cat to nibble on.  She loved it and it kept her breath from getting too stinky.

Tip for keeping mint from spreading too badly:  Get a large pot and cut the bottom off of it.  Bury it in the ground where you want to plant the mint (or lemon balm - same family), leaving about an inch above the soil.  Plant the mint in the middle of the pot.  You have to do a little bit of work each spring/summer, pulling out the trailers that root from plants falling over but it does a good job keeping it reasonably in control.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Dazi on April 10, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
^^^I live in Central Florida.  It's fairly temperate for herb growing.  You are more likely to get herbs sunburnt than it getting cold enough to freeze enough to kill the roots.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: AngelicGamer on April 10, 2013, 11:17:41 PM
Re: saying which state you're from

I love that I can say that I'm a Chicagoan and people understand.  We're just awesome like that.   ;D 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 10, 2013, 11:35:49 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

Maria, I'm wondering - is that when you're speaking Danish with them? Because it sounds like English and Danish use very different terminology here.

I've never heard of Canadians choosing to identify themselves as Americans when travelling. In fact, there are all sorts of stories (mostly, I hope, urban legends) that we get better treatment if we make it clear we're Canadian.

Ohhh!! I missed that Maria is speaking a different language.  Yes, I agree with Twik.  Different language and use of terminology.

Well, it's definitely much more common in Danish, but no - this has been when speaking (or typing) in English. My first introduction to USians was on a mailing list for L.M. Montgomery where a large part of the members were from Canada. You're right that they didn't want to be mistaken for people from the US, but the general consensus there, at the time, was that Americans was an expected way of referring to people living on the land masses between the Atlantic and the Pacific.

I actually haven't yet met any Canadians who spoke Danish.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: mmswm on April 11, 2013, 12:16:02 AM
^^^I live in Central Florida.  It's fairly temperate for herb growing.  You are more likely to get herbs sunburnt than it getting cold enough to freeze enough to kill the roots.

Try oregano.  Even in extreme south Florida that stuff does quite well.  So well, in fact, the a friend of mine has spent the last several years trying to get actual grass on her side yard because the oregano completely took over. They pull the stuff like weeds but it keeps coming back.
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Post by: Dr. F. on April 11, 2013, 07:47:39 AM
^^^I live in Central Florida.  It's fairly temperate for herb growing.  You are more likely to get herbs sunburnt than it getting cold enough to freeze enough to kill the roots.

Try oregano.  Even in extreme south Florida that stuff does quite well.  So well, in fact, the a friend of mine has spent the last several years trying to get actual grass on her side yard because the oregano completely took over. They pull the stuff like weeds but it keeps coming back.

Oregano is also in the mint family - it spreads. The buried pot technique will work for it, too.

To prevent ongoing hijack of the "Never Shopping There Again" thread, I'm putting the bear story here.
(Another poster said something like that you don't wake up to find a bear on your toilet...)
A friend living in the mountains of So Cal woke up in the middle of the night to find a bear on their back porch - eating a gallon of ice cream it had gotten out of the freezer. It had popped the sliding glass door off it track, gotten into the kitchen, opened the freezer and snagged the ice cream and was enjoying a nice treat by moonlight.

They figured out a better way to secure their door.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Thipu1 on April 11, 2013, 09:01:10 AM
Re: saying which state you're from

I love that I can say that I'm a Chicagoan and people understand.  We're just awesome like that.   ;D

Along the same lines, we almost always say that we're from Brooklyn or at least New York.  Anywhere we go people will understand that.  After all, a brand of Italian chewing gum is called 'Brooklyn'. 
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Post by: Elisabunny on April 11, 2013, 01:31:35 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)

You would say you're an Idahoan instead of an American?

Well, I wouldn't, but then I wasn't born here.  Some of the natives, I wouldn't put it past them. ;D
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Redwing on April 11, 2013, 01:42:06 PM
Re: saying which state you're from

I love that I can say that I'm a Chicagoan and people understand.  We're just awesome like that.   ;D

Well, I live outside Chicago, but when I am in another state, I'll generally say that or near Chicago.  I was born there, so I guess I can say that!

When outside this country, I would say I'm an American.  There's something very clumsy about USian in my opinion.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: marcel on April 11, 2013, 02:37:09 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

We don't identify as Americans at all.  I think this is something that occurs in countries and continents outside Canada and the US. Most know Canada and the US are different countries, but they don't realize the cultures and identities are so different.   When I have been overseas, many times I will be asked if I am American.  My response is, No, I am Canadian.  Some people respond it is the same thing, but I politely correct them.  Many others respond that they realize the difference, but don't realize the different cultural identity.
I think you are completely wrong about the bolded. I believe that in every country/continent, it is only people from outside the continent that refer to the continent instead of countries.

I do not think there is any difference between how Canadians feel about being identified as Americans (continent not country) and how Dutch (or people in other European countries) feel about being identified as Europeans.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: WillyNilly on April 11, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
well... I know many people in the US will refer to people as "European", or "African", "South American" or "Asian" not necessarily as natives of the individual countries the person is from. Some of the more... well known lets say (I'm not sure the right classification, maybe 'popular with Americans as vacation destination') countries like France, Italy, Spain, England and Ireland might be mentioned specifically but someone from say Hungary, or Montenegro, or Belarus? Most Americans I think would just describe that person as being "European".

So in that light I see no reason why Canadians and Mexicans wouldn't be considered North Americans, or even just plain Americans.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Hmmmmm on April 11, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

We don't identify as Americans at all.  I think this is something that occurs in countries and continents outside Canada and the US. Most know Canada and the US are different countries, but they don't realize the cultures and identities are so different.   When I have been overseas, many times I will be asked if I am American.  My response is, No, I am Canadian.  Some people respond it is the same thing, but I politely correct them.  Many others respond that they realize the difference, but don't realize the different cultural identity.
I think you are completely wrong about the bolded. I believe that in every country/continent, it is only people from outside the continent that refer to the continent instead of countries.

I do not think there is any difference between how Canadians feel about being identified as Americans (continent not country) and how Dutch (or people in other European countries) feel about being identified as Europeans.
I work with a lot of people in the UK. I've yet to meet one who self identifies as European. And I used to love to pick on a Scottish friend and call him European. It created a stronger reaction than calling our Puerto Rican friend American.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: zinzin on April 11, 2013, 03:40:07 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

Maria, I'm wondering - is that when you're speaking Danish with them? Because it sounds like English and Danish use very different terminology here.

I've never heard of Canadians choosing to identify themselves as Americans when travelling. In fact, there are all sorts of stories (mostly, I hope, urban legends) that we get better treatment if we make it clear we're Canadian.

Ohhh!! I missed that Maria is speaking a different language.  Yes, I agree with Twik.  Different language and use of terminology.

Well, it's definitely much more common in Danish, but no - this has been when speaking (or typing) in English. My first introduction to USians was on a mailing list for L.M. Montgomery where a large part of the members were from Canada. You're right that they didn't want to be mistaken for people from the US, but the general consensus there, at the time, was that Americans was an expected way of referring to people living on the land masses between the Atlantic and the Pacific.

I actually haven't yet met any Canadians who spoke Danish.

I can only imagine they were pulling your leg because being Canadian, lived there most of my life there, met other Canadians while traveling around the world - I've never met a Canadian who called themselves American, except one instance where they were being deliberately messing with an American. I suspect they were, as they say "having a laugh".

I have personally only ever seen USian online.
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Post by: zinzin on April 11, 2013, 03:41:05 PM
well... I know many people in the US will refer to people as "European", or "African", "South American" or "Asian" not necessarily as natives of the individual countries the person is from. Some of the more... well known lets say (I'm not sure the right classification, maybe 'popular with Americans as vacation destination') countries like France, Italy, Spain, England and Ireland might be mentioned specifically but someone from say Hungary, or Montenegro, or Belarus? Most Americans I think would just describe that person as being "European".

So in that light I see no reason why Canadians and Mexicans wouldn't be considered North Americans, or even just plain Americans.

Because America, in addition to being part of a continent name, is also part of a country name. That's why it's not analogous to Europe.
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Post by: jaxsue on April 11, 2013, 03:48:10 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

I'm Canadian; I've never met a Canadian that does identify as American, unless they are US citizens, living here.

And I would be very quick to correct anyone who called me American.  Especially when travelling overseas, which I may get a chance to do next year.

Friends of mine have lived in California for almost 15 years.  They still identify as Canadian.

I have lived in the US for 10 years.  I am Canadian and always will be.  I haven't taken US citizenship and don't have plans to do so.  I may change my mind, but at this time, I am happy with my status quo.

My parents came to the US from Ontario in 1954. They never changed their status.  :)
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Post by: jaxsue on April 11, 2013, 03:50:33 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

Maria, I'm wondering - is that when you're speaking Danish with them? Because it sounds like English and Danish use very different terminology here.

I've never heard of Canadians choosing to identify themselves as Americans when travelling. In fact, there are all sorts of stories (mostly, I hope, urban legends) that we get better treatment if we make it clear we're Canadian.

When I visited N. Ireland in 2005, I made no attempt to hide the fact that I was American (I behaved well, FTR). However, being around that particular Irish dialect brought out the Canadian in me (I have duo-citizenship), and people kept asking what part of Canada I was from! It was not intentional.  :D
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Post by: WillyNilly on April 11, 2013, 04:01:07 PM
well... I know many people in the US will refer to people as "European", or "African", "South American" or "Asian" not necessarily as natives of the individual countries the person is from. Some of the more... well known lets say (I'm not sure the right classification, maybe 'popular with Americans as vacation destination') countries like France, Italy, Spain, England and Ireland might be mentioned specifically but someone from say Hungary, or Montenegro, or Belarus? Most Americans I think would just describe that person as being "European".

So in that light I see no reason why Canadians and Mexicans wouldn't be considered North Americans, or even just plain Americans.

Because America, in addition to being part of a continent name, is also part of a country name. That's why it's not analogous to Europe.

I'm just saying, I totally think its justified from someone from another continent thinking of all people from the American continent as one grouping. Sure they know "American" might mean various specific countries, just like European would mean various countries, or Asian would. I don't really see how anyone can contain the usage of a word - if people are going to say it, they are going to say it. And so long as any of us also groups several countries under one heading, none of us should get to dictate its ok to do to others but not have done to us. Obviously it would be such a broad grouping it would loose much clarity, but its not an incorrect term.

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Post by: katycoo on April 11, 2013, 04:03:43 PM
I just have a question for people who say I am an American, not a USian. Will youi at least recognize the fact that a person from Guatemala is just as much an American as you are? Because that erson is, and that is the problem with the word American for a person from the USA, there is no word left to indicate a person from America in general, that does not confuse.

I spend some time on a city that called itself an all American city, and aal I could think everytime I saw that was: Duh, off course it is, it is a city in America. Buenos Aires is an all American city as well, and so is Rio de Janeiro or Quebec No city in America is more American then anbother city in America.

Internationally speaing, you're American if you're from the USA.  If you're from one of the other countries on the same continent, you're from "The Americas".

There are some sets of countries that people (for whatever reason - primarily similarity of language & accent), mentally group together, i.e. USA & Canada and New Zealand and Australia. This means that someone outside those countries/continent may describe something as American, when they actually mean Canadian, or Australian, when they actually mean New Zealand. To someone inside those countries that might seem bizarre or offensive, but to an outsider, it's easily done, although no offence is intended. By using the term USian, it removes the mental ambiguity from American, which could mean Canadian or American (USA). 

We'll claim anything good that NZ has/does anyway so it's mostly our fault for purpetuating the myth.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Optimoose Prime on April 11, 2013, 04:24:05 PM
Just talked with my Danish son. ( Exchange student from last year.)  He said people from the US are Americans or Amerikaner.  From other countries are referred to by their country, ie Kanadier.  He said he might use Syd Amerikaner for someone from South America but that's about it.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Onyx_TKD on April 11, 2013, 07:54:19 PM
well... I know many people in the US will refer to people as "European", or "African", "South American" or "Asian" not necessarily as natives of the individual countries the person is from. Some of the more... well known lets say (I'm not sure the right classification, maybe 'popular with Americans as vacation destination') countries like France, Italy, Spain, England and Ireland might be mentioned specifically but someone from say Hungary, or Montenegro, or Belarus? Most Americans I think would just describe that person as being "European".

So in that light I see no reason why Canadians and Mexicans wouldn't be considered North Americans, or even just plain Americans.

I'm curious, would you refer to someone from a country in Europe or Asia as "Eurasian"? To me, using "American" for anyone from North or South America is analogous to using "Eurasian" for anyone from Europe or Asia. "Eurasian" is a valid word, and I'm sure there are some contexts where it is useful, but I don't recall ever hearing it used in a normal conversation. I hear "European" and "Asian" all the time, as well as words for inhabitants of individual European and Asian countries, but never "Eurasian." I can't think of a time I needed to refer to the combined population of Europe and Asia, but if I did, I would say "Europeans and Asians."

Similarly, "North American" and "South American" make perfect sense to me as ways to refer to the populations of those continents. But I can't really think of a reason I'd need a single term to encompass everyone in the Americas*. Once the term encompasses the inhabitants of an entire hemisphere, it seems like it is so general that it ceases to be useful. I would say "North and South Americans" if I needed to refer to that population.

*As katycoo touched on, I don't consider North and South America to be a unified landmass of "America." The two continents would be "the Americas" plural. Likewise, as a South Carolinian, I refer to North and South Carolina collectively as "the Carolinas" (plural), not "Carolina" (singular)**. It's often convenient to drop a few syllables when referring to both of them, but IME they are referred in plural, because they are a set of two entities with similar names rather than a unified whole.

**With an exemption for the song "Carolina in the Morning" due to poetic license  ;). (Sorry about the footnotes on footnotes--I seem to be channeling a less-funny Terry Pratchett today.
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Post by: selkiewoman on April 11, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
I am only familiar with the term 'Eurasian' applied to a person of mixed European and Asian descent, and yes, I have heard it used in conversation.
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Post by: katycoo on April 11, 2013, 08:13:51 PM
I'm curious, would you refer to someone from a country in Europe or Asia as "Eurasian"? To me, using "American" for anyone from North or South America is analogous to using "Eurasian" for anyone from Europe or Asia. "Eurasian" is a valid word, and I'm sure there are some contexts where it is useful, but I don't recall ever hearing it used in a normal conversation. I hear "European" and "Asian" all the time, as well as words for inhabitants of individual European and Asian countries, but never "Eurasian." I can't think of a time I needed to refer to the combined population of Europe and Asia, but if I did, I would say "Europeans and Asians."

Eurasion is used to describe people of mixed asian and cauasian/European descent - is my understanding.
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Post by: Dazi on April 11, 2013, 08:33:11 PM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?
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Post by: afbluebelle on April 11, 2013, 08:36:17 PM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?

Yep. Unfortunately, that epiphany happened when I had a playlist going that had many thinly veiled references to illegal substances. Our OIC was amused, but I was fully expecting "random" drug tests until the dawn of time.
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Post by: EllenS on April 11, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
Speaking solely in terms of common usage within the U.S., I think the difference of using the terms "European" or "Asian" - or "African" for that matter, is that they are used for an ethnicity, or area of family origin, rather than a country of residence.  An "American" does not imply ethnicity, but you might have an "African American" an "Asian American".  I never hear "European American", but I do sometimes hear US citizens refer to themselves or other as being "American of European descent".

I suppose that is because the indigenous ethincities of the Americas are no longer the social/political majority in the population.  Of course, this usage may be only common in the US, I don't know.
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Post by: Nikko-chan on April 11, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?

Two words Dazi. Barbie Girl.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: afbluebelle on April 11, 2013, 09:09:45 PM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?

Two words Dazi. Barbie Girl.

So many theories on that song. So. Many. Theories.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Nikko-chan on April 11, 2013, 09:12:32 PM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?

Two words Dazi. Barbie Girl.

So many theories on that song. So. Many. Theories.

Sorry afbluebelle. :D Seriously though, when I was young my cousin and I used to dance to it. I listened to it recently (like 2 or so years ago) again, expecting that same song about a barbie doll. then the realization hit me. "No.... no. No! Nooooooooo!" My childhood was shattered.  ;)
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Post by: Sharnita on April 11, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
As far as the basil/pesto thing I think it comes down to this:  People think of basil as an ingredient in a lot of things  but as the key ingredient in pesto.  If you ask me what I can make with tomatoes there are many, many things but my mind always seems to go to spaghetti sauce.  Now I know they are not the only thing in spaghetti sauce and I knpw there are so many other things oyu could make with them that ti is mind numbing.  However, for a lot of people that is kind of the signature food and the one they thik of first.  My guess is that the same is true of basil and pesto.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 11, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Well, it's definitely much more common in Danish, but no - this has been when speaking (or typing) in English. My first introduction to USians was on a mailing list for L.M. Montgomery where a large part of the members were from Canada. You're right that they didn't want to be mistaken for people from the US, but the general consensus there, at the time, was that Americans was an expected way of referring to people living on the land masses between the Atlantic and the Pacific.

I actually haven't yet met any Canadians who spoke Danish.

I can only imagine they were pulling your leg because being Canadian, lived there most of my life there, met other Canadians while traveling around the world - I've never met a Canadian who called themselves American, except one instance where they were being deliberately messing with an American. I suspect they were, as they say "having a laugh".

I have personally only ever seen USian online.

I can assure you they weren't. It wasn't that type of conversation and it wasn't that type of mailing list. It was a small'ish mailing list, and we were friends rather than just "strangers who happened to meet online".

I have personally also only ever seen USian online. I doubt it'll ever make it to the spoken language.

Just talked with my Danish son. ( Exchange student from last year.)  He said people from the US are Americans or Amerikaner.  From other countries are referred to by their country, ie Kanadier.  He said he might use Syd Amerikaner for someone from South America but that's about it.
Except for the last 4 words, I completely agree with him. People from the US may be referred to as "Amerikanere" (but just as often "People from the US"), and to hopefully please the Canadians around, we'd never refer to Canadians alone as "Amerikanere". That would only be when talking more generally about people from the Americas. We might also split it up in "North American" and "South American".

He actually made me doubt myself though, so I went to look it up. This is from Gads lille lexicon for any Danes playing along. I hope you'll trust me that I've translated correctly.

Amerika combining name for the landmasses of the western hemisphere. Consists of two continents, North and South America. The term is sometimes also used about the USA. [Snipping the history]
Amerikaner a person from Amerika.

So basically we use "Amerika" to mean both "the Americas" and "America".

And thus ends your Danish lesson for today, I'm sure you were all just dying to know that  ;) I'm sorry about the length.
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Post by: StarFaerie on April 12, 2013, 03:02:58 AM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?

Two words Dazi. Barbie Girl.

So many theories on that song. So. Many. Theories.

Sorry afbluebelle. :D Seriously though, when I was young my cousin and I used to dance to it. I listened to it recently (like 2 or so years ago) again, expecting that same song about a barbie doll. then the realization hit me. "No.... no. No! Nooooooooo!" My childhood was shattered.  ;)

4 words

Blister in the Sun
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Twik on April 12, 2013, 08:14:51 AM
Well, it's definitely much more common in Danish, but no - this has been when speaking (or typing) in English. My first introduction to USians was on a mailing list for L.M. Montgomery where a large part of the members were from Canada. You're right that they didn't want to be mistaken for people from the US, but the general consensus there, at the time, was that Americans was an expected way of referring to people living on the land masses between the Atlantic and the Pacific.

I actually haven't yet met any Canadians who spoke Danish.

I can only imagine they were pulling your leg because being Canadian, lived there most of my life there, met other Canadians while traveling around the world - I've never met a Canadian who called themselves American, except one instance where they were being deliberately messing with an American. I suspect they were, as they say "having a laugh".

I have personally only ever seen USian online.

I can assure you they weren't. It wasn't that type of conversation and it wasn't that type of mailing list. It was a small'ish mailing list, and we were friends rather than just "strangers who happened to meet online".

Then you must have run into that tiny subspecies, Canadians Who Don't Mind Being Called Americans. Or, they really were pulling your leg.

Because, as someone who has a signed photograph of L.M. Montgomery on the wall, and has been born and raised in Canada, I have never met a single Canadian who would not immediately correct someone who called them an American. It's just not done here. Really, it's not. At most, if you wanted to refer to the inhabitants of the continent, you would call them North Americans, but that's it.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 12, 2013, 08:20:50 AM
I completely accept that it may have been a tiny subsection :) Like I said earlier, it's nothing more than anecdata, so all I can say is that I know it of those Canadians. I'd never claim it went for Canadians as a whole :)
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Post by: bansidhe on April 12, 2013, 02:18:47 PM
There are seven people in my department and I've worked at my current job for just over four years. We're a pretty settled, staid group and no one would regard us as adventurous, exciting, or dramatic. However, among the seven of us over the past four years, the following have occurred:

- Two of us lost mothers and one lost a mother-in-law.
- Another person's father was diagnosed with cancer and doesn't have long to live.
- One person adopted a child.
- One person discovered that his child is transgender.
- Two children were diagnosed with disorders that require that they receive special care.
- One person got divorced.
- One person broke up with a long-term SO and had to deal with stalking behavior.
- One person was diagnosed with cancer (treated and now cancer-free - yay!)
- One person almost died from a condition that had no symptoms and caused a sudden, major problem.
- One person was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.
- A total of four cats and one dog died.
- A total of seven cats and two dogs were adopted.

For a rather boring group of people, we sound like a soap opera.
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Post by: CharlieBraun on April 12, 2013, 02:35:38 PM
We got a Dyson - on clearance! - at Target!

How have we survived before this?  I'm actually ENJOYING vacuuming!  Enjoying it!  We are picking up enough dog hair to create another entire pooch!

We are also getting new furniture delivered tomorrow so we can vacuum the bedroom AND have new furniture!  Cheaper than moving!
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Post by: Moonie on April 12, 2013, 02:45:44 PM
^^^^^^^
I love my Dyson :)
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 12, 2013, 03:04:11 PM
We got a Dyson - on clearance! - at Target!

How have we survived before this?  I'm actually ENJOYING vacuuming!  Enjoying it!  We are picking up enough dog hair to create another entire pooch!

We are also getting new furniture delivered tomorrow so we can vacuum the bedroom AND have new furniture!  Cheaper than moving!

My mother swore by Dyson.  I usually swear AT their prices.
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Post by: WillyNilly on April 12, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
I have a Dyson Animal. I honestly don't think its all that great. My BFF had one too, she gave hers away. The other day DH's friend was over and saw it said "oh Dyson? Do you like it?" and then immediately answered himself with "we got one, I hate it, worst vacuum I've ever had." Consumer Reports never rates them very well either.

I don't get the hype. I mean I do think they are ok vacuums, but the cost makes them awful - they are equal to $85 vacuums (IME) but cost $400...

Whats to love? I want to love my Dyson, I just don't know how to.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: hobish on April 12, 2013, 04:40:25 PM
Getting back to having a "Miscellaneous thread for things that don't deserve their own thread",  I question this.  Everyone who starts a thread probably believes it is deserving of being on the board for comments.  Personally, I want to know what the gist of the thread is going to be before I read it.  I don't want to have to guess if it is something I'm interested in reading about.

The reason I made this thread is, there have been many times where a thread has sidetracked, and the sidetrack is actually interesting, albeit to a small group of people.  Then, those people are asked to take it to its own thread, which is great... but it's kind of like the old adage of "why don't they offer up cable completely a la carte," with the answer being that although you may love the three-guys-named-Bill-playing-Parcheesi" channel, if it's not included with other channels it will have too few people interested in it.

So this is basically the equivalent of a cable package... all those sidetracks that are interesting to you, but you just know wouldn't go a whole page if it wasn't in with other topics (admittedly, this one subverted that.  :D)

On that note, a new topic, sort of a question but not really enough of a factual one to go in the "this might be a stupid question" thread:

Do [other] people really only eat basil as pesto?

With spring approaching (in the USA  ;D ) conversations, FB, etc are turning to talk of gardens and fresh produce etc. Basil gets mentioned. So I note how easy basil is to grow, and how it just keeps producing, etc. I mention with pride how bushy my basils are and how I have to harvest several leaves a week to keep them in check. And without fail, seriously every single conversation I have ever had and mentioned my basil plants, someone says "oh, well you should make pesto!" As if this is A) a terribly ingenious idea that would have never occurred to dumb ole me before and B) the way to use basil. (Once someone even said "basil? Nah I don't like pesto.")

I like pesto, and occasionally I do make it (and sometimes when I do, I use other fresh greens then basil! And other cheeses and other nuts! Oh the humanity!) But gee whiz folks, basil is also delicious in tomato dishes, or in eggs, or mixed into salad, or mixed into rice our couscous or quinoa, in Thai curry, its good raw, or cooked into dishes, whole leaves or large cuts or diced - there are so many ways to use basil other then just pureed with olive oil,  Parmigiano Reggiano and pine nuts!

Gish grows basil and uses it in all kinds of stuff. We still have some in the freezer from last years garden and took itout and took a big sniff of it last night ... heaven. I don't think he even knows it is used in pesto :)

Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: hobish on April 12, 2013, 04:56:25 PM
re: USians

On another forum where I am a member, we use the terms "USanian" and Canuckistani". All in a joking way, of course.

I'm sure it's innapropriate, but i am laughing my butt off. That is some funny stuff.

...to beat the USian thing just a little more ... i got into a conversation with another board member about that a long while ago, and it sorts out in my head like this: Calling Americans USians seems like poking fun, like calling Canada Canadia. Now, i have a friend affectioantely known as Canadian Pete, who will refer to "back home in Canadia," but i have also heard (seen) people here find it really unfunny. So ... i guess .... know your audience. It doesn't rile me as it once did, not really at all; but it used to, at least a little bit.

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Post by: Betelnut on April 12, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
I guess I'm just really anal because to me, "USAians" (or however it is spelled) is just more precise than "American."  After all, "American" CAN refer to anyone in/from N/S/Central American, by definition.

I have given up on trying to avoid using "American" for my fellow citizens because USAians is just awkward and having to constantly say, "Someone from the USA" gets old too.  So I do use the term.  But internally I do kind of wince since I know that it is a broad term being used for a smaller subset.

Hey, that's just one of my quirks!
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Post by: twiggy on April 12, 2013, 06:17:05 PM
Getting back to having a "Miscellaneous thread for things that don't deserve their own thread",  I question this.  Everyone who starts a thread probably believes it is deserving of being on the board for comments.  Personally, I want to know what the gist of the thread is going to be before I read it.  I don't want to have to guess if it is something I'm interested in reading about.

The reason I made this thread is, there have been many times where a thread has sidetracked, and the sidetrack is actually interesting, albeit to a small group of people.  Then, those people are asked to take it to its own thread, which is great... but it's kind of like the old adage of "why don't they offer up cable completely a la carte," with the answer being that although you may love the three-guys-named-Bill-playing-Parcheesi" channel, if it's not included with other channels it will have too few people interested in it.

So this is basically the equivalent of a cable package... all those sidetracks that are interesting to you, but you just know wouldn't go a whole page if it wasn't in with other topics (admittedly, this one subverted that.  :D)

On that note, a new topic, sort of a question but not really enough of a factual one to go in the "this might be a stupid question" thread:

Do [other] people really only eat basil as pesto?

With spring approaching (in the USA  ;D ) conversations, FB, etc are turning to talk of gardens and fresh produce etc. Basil gets mentioned. So I note how easy basil is to grow, and how it just keeps producing, etc. I mention with pride how bushy my basils are and how I have to harvest several leaves a week to keep them in check. And without fail, seriously every single conversation I have ever had and mentioned my basil plants, someone says "oh, well you should make pesto!" As if this is A) a terribly ingenious idea that would have never occurred to dumb ole me before and B) the way to use basil. (Once someone even said "basil? Nah I don't like pesto.")

I like pesto, and occasionally I do make it (and sometimes when I do, I use other fresh greens then basil! And other cheeses and other nuts! Oh the humanity!) But gee whiz folks, basil is also delicious in tomato dishes, or in eggs, or mixed into salad, or mixed into rice our couscous or quinoa, in Thai curry, its good raw, or cooked into dishes, whole leaves or large cuts or diced - there are so many ways to use basil other then just pureed with olive oil,  Parmigiano Reggiano and pine nuts!

Gish grows basil and uses it in all kinds of stuff. We still have some in the freezer from last years garden and took itout and took a big sniff of it last night ... heaven. I don't think he even knows it is used in pesto :)

The kids helped me plant our little basil plant today. I can't wait! I'm also growing tomatoes, so I'm looking forward to another "Summer of Caprese Salad"
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 12, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
I guess I'm just really anal because to me, "USAians" (or however it is spelled) is just more precise than "American."  After all, "American" CAN refer to anyone in/from N/S/Central American, by definition.

I have given up on trying to avoid using "American" for my fellow citizens because USAians is just awkward and having to constantly say, "Someone from the USA" gets old too.  So I do use the term.  But internally I do kind of wince since I know that it is a broad term being used for a smaller subset.

Hey, that's just one of my quirks!

Thing is, I'v enever heard anyone from here OR abroad use "American" to mean of the Western Hemisphere in general.  North American, sure.  South American, definitely.  Of the Americas, yes. But not "American".
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Post by: Bijou on April 12, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
I love Lucy series...I always wondered abou this....
Why was Ethyl always kind of the butt of chubbie jokes when she and Lucy appeared to be the same size, to me? 
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Post by: Minmom3 on April 12, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?

Heheheh.  Have you ever watched Rocky and Bullwinkle as an adult?  Holy Moly!!!   8)  It blew my mind how much had gone right over my fizzy little head as a child! 
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Post by: gramma dishes on April 12, 2013, 08:33:52 PM
I love Lucy series...I always wondered abou this....
Why was Ethyl always kind of the butt of chubbie jokes when she and Lucy appeared to be the same size, to me?

I can't remember which, whether I either heard it on a TV program or I read it somewhere.  But the gist of it was that they actually were exactly the same size when the roles were assigned and as part of her contract, "Ethyl" had to agree to gain weight and always be at least ten pounds heavier than "Lucy".  (I presume that did not apply during Lucy's pregnancy.)
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Post by: CharlieBraun on April 12, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
I love Lucy series...I always wondered abou this....
Why was Ethyl always kind of the butt of chubbie jokes when she and Lucy appeared to be the same size, to me?

And why was Ethel married to a guy that much older?  Even the actress who played Ethel felt squishy about it.
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Post by: amandaelizabeth on April 12, 2013, 11:17:22 PM
Interesting debate about what we call ourselves.  I live in New Zealand and the official term is New Zealander.  Which is a bit of a mouthful.  Some people have started calling themselves an Nzedder, which sounds very harsh to the ears.  Most people understand where you come from if say "kiwi" but as those little hairy berries spread through out the world, i can see people will become confused.  Maori have some difficulty because there are also Cook Island Maori, and they don't prefix there identity with Cook Island as they think of themselves as just Maori.  Aotearoans can be used but again you have to spend ages explaining what that means.  One thing we never ever ever ever are is australian.  That is fighting talk.

My daughter the travel agent tells me that when people want to book to go go the America the first question is "which country do you want to go to". Often the answer is not the USA.
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Post by: Thipu1 on April 13, 2013, 12:09:52 PM
So, I was listening to Pandora most of the day.  I was struck by how many of the songs had really strong innuendos and how I could have possibly missed that as some of the lyrics were quite sexually blatant.  Granted some I hadn't heard since I was a young teen..."My Sharona" comes to mind.  I seriously cannot believe I missed what that was about.

Anyone else do a double or triple take at the radio when you find yourself singing along and have an  epiphany on just what a song is actually about?

Heheheh.  Have you ever watched Rocky and Bullwinkle as an adult?  Holy Moly!!!   8)  It blew my
mind how much had gone right over my fizzy little head as a child!

I remember a classic example of this.  Nell was being forced into marrying Snidely Whiplash. 

Inspector Fenwick said, 'I'll hate calling you 'son' but, if I can add a few more words, it should be all
right'. 
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Post by: Thipu1 on April 13, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
I love Lucy series...I always wondered abou this....
Why was Ethyl always kind of the butt of chubbie jokes when she and Lucy appeared to be the same size, to me?

There's an apocryphal story that Vivian Vance (who played Ethel) was contractually obliged to maintain a certain weight so as not to compete in attractiveness with Lucille Ball. 

There was probably no clause in Vance's contract like that but, if you know the style of dress at the time, Ethel's hair and clothes were always designed to make her look older and dowdier  than Lucy's.

Yes, the women do appear to be about the same size but an early 1950s cinch belt can do wonders for the figure.   
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Betelnut on April 13, 2013, 02:29:35 PM
I guess I'm just really anal because to me, "USAians" (or however it is spelled) is just more precise than "American."  After all, "American" CAN refer to anyone in/from N/S/Central American, by definition.

I have given up on trying to avoid using "American" for my fellow citizens because USAians is just awkward and having to constantly say, "Someone from the USA" gets old too.  So I do use the term.  But internally I do kind of wince since I know that it is a broad term being used for a smaller subset.

Hey, that's just one of my quirks!

Thing is, I'v enever heard anyone from here OR abroad use "American" to mean of the Western Hemisphere in general.  North American, sure.  South American, definitely.  Of the Americas, yes. But not "American".

I suppose.  A pet peeve doesn't really need to make sense though.
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Post by: kareng57 on April 13, 2013, 03:20:14 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)

You would say you're an Idahoan instead of an American?

I find most Americans say they are from a State instead of from a Nation when I am traveling.  Canadians do do that.  We say we were from Canada.  We don't say we are Albertan, Manitoban... only in our own country when someone asks where we are from and people either answer Province or City.


I agree, I say Canadian, and not the province I'm from.  I'd never expect people even in other English-speaking countries (albeit French being Canada's other official language) to know the names of all Canadian provinces, or even major cities.

I'd never assume that anyone asking "are you American" means "are you from North America"?  IME the person always means "are you from the USA"?  However, Canadians making travel plans generally don't say that they're "going to America".    They either say "the States", or the particular state or city.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: kareng57 on April 13, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

We don't identify as Americans at all.  I think this is something that occurs in countries and continents outside Canada and the US. Most know Canada and the US are different countries, but they don't realize the cultures and identities are so different.   When I have been overseas, many times I will be asked if I am American.  My response is, No, I am Canadian.  Some people respond it is the same thing, but I politely correct them.  Many others respond that they realize the difference, but don't realize the different cultural identity.
I think you are completely wrong about the bolded. I believe that in every country/continent, it is only people from outside the continent that refer to the continent instead of countries.

I do not think there is any difference between how Canadians feel about being identified as Americans (continent not country) and how Dutch (or people in other European countries) feel about being identified as Europeans.


Re your first paragraph - that seems very strange to me.  If I ask someone where he/she is from, I'd be surprised if the answer is "Europe" or "South America" as opposed to "Belgium" or "Argentina".
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 13, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
I guess I'm just really anal because to me, "USAians" (or however it is spelled) is just more precise than "American."  After all, "American" CAN refer to anyone in/from N/S/Central American, by definition.

I have given up on trying to avoid using "American" for my fellow citizens because USAians is just awkward and having to constantly say, "Someone from the USA" gets old too.  So I do use the term.  But internally I do kind of wince since I know that it is a broad term being used for a smaller subset.

Hey, that's just one of my quirks!

Thing is, I'v enever heard anyone from here OR abroad use "American" to mean of the Western Hemisphere in general.  North American, sure.  South American, definitely.  Of the Americas, yes. But not "American".

I suppose.  A pet peeve doesn't really need to make sense though.

Oh no, I didn't mean it had to.  I'm just saying that, to me, it may be more precise but it's less clear, because the terminology is so unfamiliar.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: kherbert05 on April 13, 2013, 04:28:10 PM
Fair enough. My experiences differ, but as this is all anecdata anyway it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it  :) This thread is the first time I've heard that some Canadians didn't identify as Americans.

Maria, I'm wondering - is that when you're speaking Danish with them? Because it sounds like English and Danish use very different terminology here.

I've never heard of Canadians choosing to identify themselves as Americans when travelling. In fact, there are all sorts of stories (mostly, I hope, urban legends) that we get better treatment if we make it clear we're Canadian.

There's the old joke that if the plane is hijacked, if you're American say you're Canadian!
My Uncle was in the Canadian Diplomatic Service - and those were almost his exact words. My HS group was going to Greece. There was some national strikes going on. Mom called Uncle (her BIL) he told her things should be fine but if there was a problem I should go to the Canadian not American Embassy - and drag as many friends as I could along. Have the Embassy contact him. In my case my understanding was I was a Canadian under their laws because my Mother was a Canadian.


2 years later the same group was suppose to go to Austria. There was some type of attack in the airport they were to use. The district banned travel outside of the US or Canada at that point.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: kherbert05 on April 13, 2013, 06:03:42 PM

Then you must have run into that tiny subspecies, Canadians Who Don't Mind Being Called Americans. Or, they really were pulling your leg.

Because, as someone who has a signed photograph of L.M. Montgomery on the wall, and has been born and raised in Canada, I have never met a single Canadian who would not immediately correct someone who called them an American. It's just not done here. Really, it's not. At most, if you wanted to refer to the inhabitants of the continent, you would call them North Americans, but that's it.
I've run into 4 Canadians (All cousins of L.M. Montgomery ;-) ), who would give you a hard time about the Americans take the name of the whole continent because of they are arrogant. But they were middle school/ upper elementary and trying to get their cousins goats after being figuratively slapped down for calling the Texas cousins Yankees.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: snowdragon on April 13, 2013, 11:34:33 PM
I'm ok with the term USian as a nickname or something.  I'll never use it seriously though.  And if anyone seriously tried to correct American with USian I'd not be ok with that. 

I'm ok with Yank or Yankee as long as the person using it is not from the US.   Within the US, I've never heard it used as anything other than an insult.  Or a baseball team.

  Or a Pot roast. ;)

Seriously I call myself a Yank or an American.

I've never met a Canadian that would not be insulted to be called an American. For awhile in it seemed like the Canadian Identity was that they "Aren't Americans".   They are quite proud of that fact :) I can't blame them, it's a great place.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: kareng57 on April 13, 2013, 11:40:16 PM
I'm ok with the term USian as a nickname or something.  I'll never use it seriously though.  And if anyone seriously tried to correct American with USian I'd not be ok with that. 

I'm ok with Yank or Yankee as long as the person using it is not from the US.   Within the US, I've never heard it used as anything other than an insult.  Or a baseball team.

  Or a Pot roast. ;)

Seriously I call myself a Yank or an American.

I've never met a Canadian that would not be insulted to be called an American. For awhile in it seemed like the Canadian Identity was that they "Aren't Americans".   They are quite proud of that fact :) I can't blame them, it's a great place.


Well, I wouldn't say that I'm "proud" to be not American.  I don't think that one is better than the other, just quite different - even if it doesn't appear so, on the surface.

However, I wouldn't be happy, if asked "are you American?" "No, we're Canadian" and got the answer "same thing" as has been implied previously in this thread.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 14, 2013, 01:58:17 AM
However, I wouldn't be happy, if asked "are you American?" "No, we're Canadian" and got the answer "same thing" as has been implied previously in this thread.

If I've somehow implied that, then I need to apologize, because that was definitely not my intention. It's rather that one is more broad than the other, so you'd be giving a more specific answer. Similar to "Are you European?" "No, I'm Danish."

If I got that answer I wouldn't think "Same thing" I'd think "Okay, she identifies more with being a Dane than with being a European" and use that knowledge when referring to her or communicating with her in the future  :)
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Post by: Hmmmmm on April 14, 2013, 08:57:27 AM
However, I wouldn't be happy, if asked "are you American?" "No, we're Canadian" and got the answer "same thing" as has been implied previously in this thread.

If I've somehow implied that, then I need to apologize, because that was definitely not my intention. It's rather that one is more broad than the other, so you'd be giving a more specific answer. Similar to "Are you European?" "No, I'm Danish."

If I got that answer I wouldn't think "Same thing" I'd think "Okay, she identifies more with being a Dane than with being a European" and use that knowledge when referring to her or communicating with her in the future  :)

Maria, would you really ask someone if they were from the Western Hemisphere?

I really can't think of a time I'd ask someone what continent they were from (Are you Asian?) but I'm pretty sure I'd never ask anyone "Are you from the Eastern Hemisphere?"
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: MariaE on April 14, 2013, 09:21:24 AM
However, I wouldn't be happy, if asked "are you American?" "No, we're Canadian" and got the answer "same thing" as has been implied previously in this thread.

If I've somehow implied that, then I need to apologize, because that was definitely not my intention. It's rather that one is more broad than the other, so you'd be giving a more specific answer. Similar to "Are you European?" "No, I'm Danish."

If I got that answer I wouldn't think "Same thing" I'd think "Okay, she identifies more with being a Dane than with being a European" and use that knowledge when referring to her or communicating with her in the future  :)

Maria, would you really ask someone if they were from the Western Hemisphere?

I really can't think of a time I'd ask someone what continent they were from (Are you Asian?) but I'm pretty sure I'd never ask anyone "Are you from the Eastern Hemisphere?"

I'm trying to think and I actually don't think I'd ever ask "Are you from @Wherever?" I think I'd always phrase it as "Where are you from?" Perhaps if I had a fair guess based on context or accent, I might ask "Are you from @Country?"

So I'd probably never ask somebody "Are you American" or "Are you European" (and I'd definitely never ask "Are you from the Western Hemisphere, because that just sounds weird ;) ), but I might ask "Are you from the US?", "Are you from Denmark?", "Are you from New Zealand?" etc.
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Post by: White Dragon on April 14, 2013, 01:25:47 PM
Speaking as a Canadian... :)

To me (YMMV, of course), it makes perfect sense that citizens of the United States of America refer to themselves as Americans. Not only is it a short form of their national name, there is a longstanding convention of the term as being accepted practice.

Canadians do the same thing - we rarely identify ourselves as being from The Dominion of Canada. Accepted convention almost invariably uses the short form Canada. (Hmmm... would that make us Dominators?  >:D)

Globally, one or both continents are sometimes referred to by the short-form "the Americas" or "America".
The fact that the two term intersect on the word "America" is just the way things worked out. To say that one country co-opted the word, or that no other country can use the word seems an "apples and oranges" argument.

Offhand, I can't think of many other nations (that share a continent with other countries) that include the larger continental location as part of their name. If there were, I don't think it would be an issue,

Just thought of an example - if someone from the Republic of South Africa were to refer to themselves as African, would the same objection about co-opting apply? (I fully recognize that persons from RSA generally do not refer to themselves as Africans, for reasons of historical, cultural and national identity.)  I simply used it as an example of geographical-naming of a country.

Having said all that...if our neighbours to the south prefer to call us all as North Americans, we'll accept - provided they don't mind being called Southern Americans.  >:D
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Post by: Twik on April 14, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
The thing is, linguistic conventions don't have to make sense. And, in English, the convention has arisen that "American," as describing a national origin, has been co-opted to refer to someone from the United States.

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Post by: gramma dishes on April 14, 2013, 02:13:30 PM
...   Offhand, I can't think of many other nations (that share a continent with other countries) that include the larger continental location as part of their name. If there were, I don't think it would be an issue   ...



Well, there is South Africa which includes the name of the continent which is shared by several other countries.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: katycoo on April 14, 2013, 09:06:31 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)

You would say you're an Idahoan instead of an American?

I find most Americans say they are from a State instead of from a Nation when I am traveling.  Canadians do do that.  We say we were from Canada.  We don't say we are Albertan, Manitoban... only in our own country when someone asks where we are from and people either answer Province or City.


I agree, I say Canadian, and not the province I'm from.  I'd never expect people even in other English-speaking countries (albeit French being Canada's other official language) to know the names of all Canadian provinces, or even major cities.

I'd never assume that anyone asking "are you American" means "are you from North America"?  IME the person always means "are you from the USA"?  However, Canadians making travel plans generally don't say that they're "going to America".    They either say "the States", or the particular state or city.

This is something I find interesting.

Canada and NZ do not have states, so when pressed for more detail as to where they are from, they give the province/region/city.

USA seems (from this thread) to give state.

Australia has states, but I always give city and never state.  I seriously doubt many non-Australian or non-Kiwis could name any of the Australian states.
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Post by: Amara on April 14, 2013, 09:12:08 PM
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I seriously doubt many non-Australian or non-Kiwis could name any of the Australian states.

I am struggling to remember my map of Australia, but I do know New South Wales. Unfortunately, my brain can't remember the rest of them.  :-[
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Post by: Maggie on April 14, 2013, 09:17:54 PM
Victoria and Queensland (I think)
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Post by: katycoo on April 14, 2013, 09:35:04 PM
You're doing well!  All answers correct so far.  We have 3 out of the 6 states, and none of the 2 territories so far.
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Post by: Maggie on April 14, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Western Australia, is Tasmania part of Australia?  That's all I got :(
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Post by: snowdragon on April 14, 2013, 09:54:34 PM
New South Wales
Queensland
South Australia
Tasmania
Victoria
Western Australia 
Australian Capital Territory
Northern Territory  .... I think


But don't quote me on that
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Post by: katycoo on April 14, 2013, 10:20:12 PM
New South Wales
Queensland
South Australia
Tasmania
Victoria
Western Australia 
Australian Capital Territory
Northern Territory  .... I think

But don't quote me on that

I will quote you on that, cause you're 100% right!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: kareng57 on April 14, 2013, 11:21:12 PM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

However, it should be noted that very few states or cities have the kind of fervor that New York does.  I think you can just about wrap up that list with Texas and California.  I would never introduce myself as "a Pennsylvanian" because, honestly, living in Pennsylvania isn't that different from living in Florida.  I know, as I lived there for three months.  Other than climate and food/drinks, there's not much different.

Add Idaho to the list.  People around here are very proud to be Idahoans.  Although that might just be the south-east section, where there is a strong undercurrent of, "Heck no, we are not Utahns!"  (Sorry, Utah.)

You would say you're an Idahoan instead of an American?

I find most Americans say they are from a State instead of from a Nation when I am traveling.  Canadians do do that.  We say we were from Canada.  We don't say we are Albertan, Manitoban... only in our own country when someone asks where we are from and people either answer Province or City.


I agree, I say Canadian, and not the province I'm from.  I'd never expect people even in other English-speaking countries (albeit French being Canada's other official language) to know the names of all Canadian provinces, or even major cities.

I'd never assume that anyone asking "are you American" means "are you from North America"?  IME the person always means "are you from the USA"?  However, Canadians making travel plans generally don't say that they're "going to America".    They either say "the States", or the particular state or city.

This is something I find interesting.

Canada and NZ do not have states, so when pressed for more detail as to where they are from, they give the province/region/city.

USA seems (from this thread) to give state.

Australia has states, but I always give city and never state.  I seriously doubt many non-Australian or non-Kiwis could name any of the Australian states.


Re Australian states - actually, I knew most of them. :)  But overall I agree, I would generally figure that an Aussie would say "Melbourne" "Brisbane" "Perth" etc. as opposed to giving the name of the state.  If I asked someone who sounded Aussie where he/she was from, and he/she said "Victoria", I would assume that they were originally from Australia but had resided for a long time in the city of Victoria, BC, Canada.
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Post by: Miss Tickle on April 14, 2013, 11:30:32 PM
I didn't see if this was addressed yet, but Estados Unidos Mexicanos and Estados Unidos de América are really close neighbours.

And they're both "United States".
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Post by: marcel on April 14, 2013, 11:54:11 PM
I didn't see if this was addressed yet, but Estados Unidos Mexicanos and Estados Unidos de América are really close neighbours.

And they're both "United States".
That is the only one I could think of that also uses states.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Venus193 on April 15, 2013, 07:05:28 AM

Then you must have run into that tiny subspecies, Canadians Who Don't Mind Being Called Americans. Or, they really were pulling your leg.

Because, as someone who has a signed photograph of L.M. Montgomery on the wall, and has been born and raised in Canada, I have never met a single Canadian who would not immediately correct someone who called them an American. It's just not done here. Really, it's not. At most, if you wanted to refer to the inhabitants of the continent, you would call them North Americans, but that's it.
I've run into 4 Canadians (All cousins of L.M. Montgomery ;-) ), who would give you a hard time about the Americans take the name of the whole continent because of they are arrogant. But they were middle school/ upper elementary and trying to get their cousins goats after being figuratively slapped down for calling the Texas cousins Yankees.

One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.
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Post by: glinda on April 15, 2013, 08:39:38 AM

Then you must have run into that tiny subspecies, Canadians Who Don't Mind Being Called Americans. Or, they really were pulling your leg.

Because, as someone who has a signed photograph of L.M. Montgomery on the wall, and has been born and raised in Canada, I have never met a single Canadian who would not immediately correct someone who called them an American. It's just not done here. Really, it's not. At most, if you wanted to refer to the inhabitants of the continent, you would call them North Americans, but that's it.
I've run into 4 Canadians (All cousins of L.M. Montgomery ;-) ), who would give you a hard time about the Americans take the name of the whole continent because of they are arrogant. But they were middle school/ upper elementary and trying to get their cousins goats after being figuratively slapped down for calling the Texas cousins Yankees.

One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.


Not in my experience. Which is mostly all in Northwestern Ontario.
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Post by: Twik on April 15, 2013, 08:51:16 AM
One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.

It's not uncommon that Canadians complain a lot about Americans. There are certain things in the relationship between the two countries that Canadians feel are not always equitable, and there a certain disparity in national temperment as well (think an extroverted sibling versus an introverted one, and how they interact). However, I hope that for most people it doesn't amount to "hate," more "eyerolling and grumbling now and then".
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Post by: LibraryLady on April 15, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
I can't believe how distracting the thread is!  You go from reading about basil/pesto to Los Unidos/Usians/Canadians to who is related to L.M. Montgomery and back to "I can't believe I have never heard of USians" (count me in on that).

HOWEVER, I also cannot believe that not one Texan has chimed in.  We are renowned for responding when asked where are we from, with a sounding TEXAS, and with a drop of beer will belt out "The Eyes of Texas are Upon You" or if you are an Aggie " The Aggie War Hymn".

My dad and mother were visiting my brother in England when he was at Heyford and they were on the Tube.  Daddy had on his boots and hat, and a little girl and her daddy were sitting across from mom and dad.  Mother said she was so cute when the little girl asked daddy "are you a cowboy?"  Now daddy had never ridden a house, he rode a tractor for many years, cultivating peanuts; though by this time, he did have cattle on the farm.  His face had the reddish-brown tan that old men get from working in the sun and his hands were calloused and worn, too.  I miss him still,  :'(
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Post by: Twik on April 15, 2013, 12:00:19 PM
I can't believe how distracting the thread is!  You go from reading about basil/pesto to Los Unidos/Usians/Canadians to who is related to L.M. Montgomery and back to "I can't believe I have never heard of USians" (count me in on that).

HOWEVER, I also cannot believe that not one Texan has chimed in.  We are renowned for responding when asked where are we from, with a sounding TEXAS, and with a drop of beer will belt out "The Eyes of Texas are Upon You" or if you are an Aggie " The Aggie War Hymn".

Whenever I'm in Texas, I want to try recreating the scene from "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure," where he proved he was in Texas by singing "The stars at night, are big and bright,..." to have everyone around him belt out "... Deep in the heart of TEXAS!"
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on April 15, 2013, 12:43:45 PM
I can't believe how distracting the thread is!  You go from reading about basil/pesto to Los Unidos/Usians/Canadians to who is related to L.M. Montgomery and back to "I can't believe I have never heard of USians" (count me in on that).

HOWEVER, I also cannot believe that not one Texan has chimed in.  We are renowned for responding when asked where are we from, with a sounding TEXAS, and with a drop of beer will belt out "The Eyes of Texas are Upon You" or if you are an Aggie " The Aggie War Hymn".

Whenever I'm in Texas, I want to try recreating the scene from "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure," where he proved he was in Texas by singing "The stars at night, are big and bright,..." to have everyone around him belt out "... Deep in the heart of TEXAS!"

Sadly, this brings to mind one of the things I like least about Texas... when watching a Dallas Stars game, and they sing the anthem, it gets to "...and whose broad stripes and bright..." and the crowd belts out "STARS!".  Way to go guys.  Make the national anthem about you.

(This isn't about *all* Texans, all Dallas residents, or all Stars fans, but for some reason it just seems really disrespectful.)
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Post by: LibraryLady on April 15, 2013, 01:31:50 PM
I hadn't heard that, Traska, since I don't think I have ever consciously  ever watched a hockey game in my life.   ;D

I napped to the Texas Rangers yesterday afternoon; room was dark, and I don't sleep well at night,plus it was
Sunday, and I had a cat in my lap, a blankie over me, and - well, you get the picture.  I did wake up enough to
watch them lose to the Mariners, 4-3.
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Post by: Outdoor Girl on April 15, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
^  Sounds like a friend of mine who calls Nascar 'Napcar'.  Because as soon as she sits down with her husband to watch a race, she falls asleep with a cat on her lap.
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Post by: kherbert05 on April 15, 2013, 06:18:19 PM

Then you must have run into that tiny subspecies, Canadians Who Don't Mind Being Called Americans. Or, they really were pulling your leg.

Because, as someone who has a signed photograph of L.M. Montgomery on the wall, and has been born and raised in Canada, I have never met a single Canadian who would not immediately correct someone who called them an American. It's just not done here. Really, it's not. At most, if you wanted to refer to the inhabitants of the continent, you would call them North Americans, but that's it.
I've run into 4 Canadians (All cousins of L.M. Montgomery ;-) ), who would give you a hard time about the Americans take the name of the whole continent because of they are arrogant. But they were middle school/ upper elementary and trying to get their cousins goats after being figuratively slapped down for calling the Texas cousins Yankees.

One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.
Very very rare. My relatives are not to fond of tourists, but love visitors from any nation. (basically tourists is their term for rude people - who do things like grab "quaint*" kids and pull them into photographs, destroy  mussel lines because they can't go a couple meters down to the passage way that is clearly marked with buoys.  Visitors are polite people. Summer people are the devil in human form)


*Quaint kids were dressed in matching outfits and the girls had their hair done in a tight french braid, not because they were part of some quaint local flavor, but because their mother has a few problems.
 
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Post by: kherbert05 on April 15, 2013, 06:23:21 PM
I can't believe how distracting the thread is!  You go from reading about basil/pesto to Los Unidos/Usians/Canadians to who is related to L.M. Montgomery and back to "I can't believe I have never heard of USians" (count me in on that).

HOWEVER, I also cannot believe that not one Texan has chimed in.  We are renowned for responding when asked where are we from, with a sounding TEXAS, and with a drop of beer will belt out "The Eyes of Texas are Upon You" or if you are an Aggie " The Aggie War Hymn".

My dad and mother were visiting my brother in England when he was at Heyford and they were on the Tube.  Daddy had on his boots and hat, and a little girl and her daddy were sitting across from mom and dad.  Mother said she was so cute when the little girl asked daddy "are you a cowboy?"  Now daddy had never ridden a house, he rode a tractor for many years, cultivating peanuts; though by this time, he did have cattle on the farm.  His face had the reddish-brown tan that old men get from working in the sun and his hands were calloused and worn, too.  I miss him still,  :'(
Only a longhorn is going to belt out the Eyes of Texas. I'll stick to Texas Our Texas.  ;-) Yes I always say I'm from Houston, Texas. People know where that is and is curious about living here.

I once had my cousins believing that
1. We rode horses to school
2. Had oil wells in the back yard
3. There were buffalo in the field next to my elementary school in the middle of Houston

Lost them with the 3rd - and only true statement. (Memorial Drive Elementary in SBISD - anyone else go there?)
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Post by: Luci on April 15, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
Fun things were happening in the 'who should be the MOH?' thread! What were some silly promises you made to a friend when a child?

Unfortunately, I was way mature and knew a lot of stuff would come back to bite me later, so didn't get silly, like promising to be Maids of Honor for each other, or remain friends forever. I did always say I didn't want a big wedding and now dislike when women in movies say, "Oh! Every little girl plans her wedding as a child and teen!" Well, not I!  (I was terribly shy.) And I did get what I wanted- tiny wedding.

A friend and I were in 8-10th grade and laughed about not getting married, so vowed to share a home if we weren't married by 25. We both married before that, had drifted apart, and found we weren't friends by the next class reunion!

At a high school graduation party for my daughter, the kids made predictions about their future lives, wrote them down, and I was trusted to keep them for their 10th reunion. I did, and when I presented them to my daughter, they had drifted so much she didn't really care.

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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 16, 2013, 08:56:35 AM
My childhood best friend and I promised to name our first daughters after each other.  Well her first child didn't have my name, and as I've only had boys, that didn't quite turn out. ;)

Which is fine, because we grew apart starting in middle school.  I think we also decided we would go to the same college but we didn't. 

The irony is that I did plan a big ol' Cinderella-like BWW when I was a little girl and when I got older and engaged I decided I wanted a hippie-ish wedding, outdoors, simple but classy dress, etc.   Well it wasn't outdoors, as we did get married in a courthouse, but it was simple as was my dress and I really don't regret it.
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Post by: bopper on April 16, 2013, 09:08:48 AM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

To us Americans, America is so big and so (to us) diverse that when people from other countries ask us where we are from we tend to go with the state/city.  I lived in Germany and decided that was pretty US-centric of me...if someone from Poland referred to a region or small city I would have no idea where it is...so I would respond that I am from the U.S, specifically New Jersey, which is near New York, because everyone knows where New York is. :-)
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Post by: bopper on April 16, 2013, 09:17:31 AM
One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.

It's not uncommon that Canadians complain a lot about Americans. There are certain things in the relationship between the two countries that Canadians feel are not always equitable, and there a certain disparity in national temperment as well (think an extroverted sibling versus an introverted one, and how they interact). However, I hope that for most people it doesn't amount to "hate," more "eyerolling and grumbling now and then".

I don't think Canadians are allowed to hate. :-)
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Post by: dawbs on April 16, 2013, 09:23:28 AM
One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.

It's not uncommon that Canadians complain a lot about Americans. There are certain things in the relationship between the two countries that Canadians feel are not always equitable, and there a certain disparity in national temperment as well (think an extroverted sibling versus an introverted one, and how they interact). However, I hope that for most people it doesn't amount to "hate," more "eyerolling and grumbling now and then".

I don't think Canadians are allowed to hate. :-)
Well, maybe they can hate a little bit, when they're hit w/ an octopus during hockey season?
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Post by: Thipu1 on April 16, 2013, 09:37:23 AM
I've never referred to myself as an "American", I'm a New Yorker - everywhere I've ever traveled to (England, the Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, other states in the USA, etc, everyone knew what I meant when I said "New York". And if someone called me "American" I would clarify (not correct necessarily, but definitely clarify) "actually a New Yorker" because honestly while me and a person from California, or Oregon, or Iowa might all be from the same official country, we are from vastly different places and cultures.

To us Americans, America is so big and so (to us) diverse that when people from other countries ask us where we are from we tend to go with the state/city.  I lived in Germany and decided that was
pretty US-centric of me...if someone from Poland referred to a region or small city I would have no
idea where it is...so I would respond that I am from the U.S, specifically New Jersey, which is near
New York, because everyone knows where New York is. :-)

Most people in the places we travel know about NYC, Chicago or San Francisco.  We've even found people who have lived in our neighborhood. A lady we met in Trinidad had an uncle who lived about three blocks from us.  We had a nice conversation we never would have had if we said we were simply Americans. 

By the same token, we'd understand when people from the UK say they come from Leeds or Bath.  We've visited both places so we'd all have something to talk about.

On the other hand, we'd have only the foggiest notion if someone came they came from Brno. 

It's all depends on the audience.

     
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Post by: Ereine on April 16, 2013, 09:55:22 AM
It always feels slightly awkward when I talk about my semester studying abroad in The Netherlands and people ask what town I was in because they've never heard of it and then there will be an awkward silence and they feel like they should know it. I usually say that I stayed in the southern part of the country as that feels more descriptive than the name of the town but then they want to know the name (so I should probably just say, Tilburg, in the south). I did once meet a random stranger who walking her dog who had a sister who had lived there (I got talking to her and it was relevant, I didn't go announcing it to every passerby :)).
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Post by: Amara on April 17, 2013, 01:21:29 PM
I just received an email from a good friend of mine who lives on the other side of the country. It made me laugh out loud and I thought you might enjoy it too:

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This morning I had an appointment down on State Road 70. Working from home these days, I was delighted with doing something besides rolling out of bed and plugging myself into the computer on the sun porch and writing with perhaps a trip to the post office to change the scenery. Because I had an appointment, I got cleaned up and actually put makeup on and enjoyed a 10 mile trip down the interstate. The day is gorgeous and Florida springtime bordering on “hot”. Good day, right? I went to my appointment, got to talk to nice people for a bit. On the way home I thought I’d stop at the new Wal-Mart Superstore and see what sales they had in the grocery department and pick up potatoes, tomatoes and cucumbers and fun stuff like TP!
 
Anyway, I was in the produce isle perusing the scallions. There was a grocery cart with 3 stair step kids next to me and the mom was down the way in the organics section. The older girl was all excited that mama was buying fresh green beans. The little boy folded his hands, bowed his head and earnestly prayed, “dear God, please make the green beans and the mushrooms disappear!” I laughed and laughed and was so delighted with this fervent prayer ... especially as one who would love to make peas and lima beans disappear from the face of the earth.
 
Of course one does not usually laugh aloud in the produce aisle. The mom comes over and looks at me quizzically. I told her what her son had said thru my giggles. Her eyes got big in her face and she snapped her head around to her son and asked if that was true. The child looked pleadingly at me and proclaimed his dislike for the offending vegetables and asked if they could get corn, he really likes that.
 
Of course I had to tell the cashier who was my age and would appreciate it. She loved it and I ended up with a finer customer service experience than I usually get at Wally-world!
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 17, 2013, 02:52:54 PM
So funny!
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Post by: BarensMom on April 17, 2013, 03:35:33 PM
I just received an email from a good friend of mine who lives on the other side of the country. It made me laugh out loud and I thought you might enjoy it too:

Quote
This morning I had an appointment down on State Road 70. Working from home these days, I was delighted with doing something besides rolling out of bed and plugging myself into the computer on the sun porch and writing with perhaps a trip to the post office to change the scenery. Because I had an appointment, I got cleaned up and actually put makeup on and enjoyed a 10 mile trip down the interstate. The day is gorgeous and Florida springtime bordering on “hot”. Good day, right? I went to my appointment, got to talk to nice people for a bit. On the way home I thought I’d stop at the new Wal-Mart Superstore and see what sales they had in the grocery department and pick up potatoes, tomatoes and cucumbers and fun stuff like TP!
 
Anyway, I was in the produce isle perusing the scallions. There was a grocery cart with 3 stair step kids next to me and the mom was down the way in the organics section. The older girl was all excited that mama was buying fresh green beans. The little boy folded his hands, bowed his head and earnestly prayed, “dear God, please make the green beans and the mushrooms disappear!” I laughed and laughed and was so delighted with this fervent prayer ... especially as one who would love to make peas and lima beans disappear from the face of the earth.
 
Of course one does not usually laugh aloud in the produce aisle. The mom comes over and looks at me quizzically. I told her what her son had said thru my giggles. Her eyes got big in her face and she snapped her head around to her son and asked if that was true. The child looked pleadingly at me and proclaimed his dislike for the offending vegetables and asked if they could get corn, he really likes that.
 
Of course I had to tell the cashier who was my age and would appreciate it. She loved it and I ended up with a finer customer service experience than I usually get at Wally-world!

Shame on you Amara, for ratting out that poor little kid.  Us vegetable haters are supposed to stick together. ;D
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Post by: Amara on April 17, 2013, 03:41:20 PM
I plead not guilty! It was my friend, I swear. ;D
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Post by: mumma to KMC on April 18, 2013, 02:21:50 PM
One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.

It's not uncommon that Canadians complain a lot about Americans. There are certain things in the relationship between the two countries that Canadians feel are not always equitable, and there a certain disparity in national temperment as well (think an extroverted sibling versus an introverted one, and how they interact). However, I hope that for most people it doesn't amount to "hate," more "eyerolling and grumbling now and then".

I don't think Canadians are allowed to hate. :-)
Well, maybe they can hate a little bit, when they're hit w/ an octopus during hockey season?

Well if they are hit by an octopus during hockey season, it means the Wings are doing really well, why hate? :)
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Post by: Pen^2 on April 19, 2013, 11:56:18 AM
Sorry for putting this here, but I can't reply to the thread I started (it's been closed). I just want to say a humongous thank-you to everyone who gave their support for the terrible situation my husband and myself were in. We are safe now, moved to a foreign country with much stricter laws and a police force which isn't prone to making things up as they go. We have also made a report of them, with all our mountains of evidence (video footage, photographs, texts, emails, voice recordings, phone call recordings, and a timeline/log of all the harassment), to the local authorities, who have assured us that this will help them act more swiftly and correctly in the case this occurs again, and also helped us secure this country's equivalent of a restraining order.

Thank you so very, very much to everyone who offered support. It really meant a great deal and helped cope with an awful situation which it looks like we won't have to face again. We are forever grateful. I can't express just how much it helped.
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Post by: gramma dishes on April 19, 2013, 12:01:16 PM
^^^  Glad things are looking so much better for you now!  (Pen^2)
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Post by: Dazi on April 20, 2013, 05:28:31 PM
The "But you have a husband" thread reminded me of a single friend or two that made that comment to me in regards to money...specifically we have more money than them because we have two incomes.

What neither of them could understand was we really don't have more money than them or at the very least, not much more to make a significant difference in our lifestyles.  What we have is double insurance costs, double food costs, double gas cost, double clothing/shoe cost, double water costs.  Also, neither of them has a house payment or rent.

It just makes me scratch my head.
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Post by: WillyNilly on April 20, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
The "But you have a husband" thread reminded me of a single friend or two that made that comment to me in regards to money...specifically we have more money than them because we have two incomes.

What neither of them could understand was we really don't have more money than them or at the very least, not much more to make a significant difference in our lifestyles.  What we have is double insurance costs, double food costs, double gas cost, double clothing/shoe cost, double water costs.  Also, neither of them has a house payment or rent.

It just makes me scratch my head.

Well maybe if your friends don't have their own homes (you mention they have no house payment or rent) its not comparable but honestly your math is way wrong if you think married or co-habituating folks have "twice" the costs of a single person who lives alone. It is a rather significant cost savings to share with a partner!

Your food costs almost certainly aren't double, because larger sizes, even if twice the size rarely cost twice as much. You might use twice the electricity but the fees would only be charged once. Heat or A/C for two costs the same as for one person. A two bedroom home for more space is not twice the cost of a one bedroom home. Adding a person (or additional car, etc) onto an insurance plan is significantly less then buying a whole separate policy. You probably only have one cable bill. And stuff like gas costs and car maintenance, probably many of your chores are combined - you don't make 2 separate trips to the grocery store thus using twice the gas for example. You only buy one x-mas tree, and only have to have one refrigerator/lawn mower/dishwasher/other expensive appliance that occasionally needs to be repaired or replaced. Even vacations are almost always priced based on "double occupancy".
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Post by: kareng57 on April 20, 2013, 10:44:14 PM
The "But you have a husband" thread reminded me of a single friend or two that made that comment to me in regards to money...specifically we have more money than them because we have two incomes.

What neither of them could understand was we really don't have more money than them or at the very least, not much more to make a significant difference in our lifestyles.  What we have is double insurance costs, double food costs, double gas cost, double clothing/shoe cost, double water costs.  Also, neither of them has a house payment or rent.

It just makes me scratch my head.


Neither of them has a mortgage or rent payment?  Are they still living with their parents?

But I have to agree, a couple living together generally does not have to pay "double" for everything.  150% might be more realistic.
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Post by: Venus193 on April 21, 2013, 06:52:54 AM
You said it.  When a friend of mine who had been married for 21 years ended up divorced she was under the very mistaken impression that she didn't have to make much money to live on her own.  I finally pointed out that the only expenses that got cut in half were the food bill and auto insurance:  Electricity, phone, cable-TV, mortgage were all the same.
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Post by: Sharnita on April 21, 2013, 07:10:47 AM
The "But you have a husband" thread reminded me of a single friend or two that made that comment to me in regards to money...specifically we have more money than them because we have two incomes.

What neither of them could understand was we really don't have more money than them or at the very least, not much more to make a significant difference in our lifestyles.  What we have is double insurance costs, double food costs, double gas cost, double clothing/shoe cost, double water costs.  Also, neither of them has a house payment or rent.

It just makes me scratch my head.

Well maybe if your friends don't have their own homes (you mention they have no house payment or rent) its not comparable but honestly your math is way wrong if you think married or co-habituating folks have "twice" the costs of a single person who lives alone. It is a rather significant cost savings to share with a partner!

Your food costs almost certainly aren't double, because larger sizes, even if twice the size rarely cost twice as much. You might use twice the electricity but the fees would only be charged once. Heat or A/C for two costs the same as for one person. A two bedroom home for more space is not twice the cost of a one bedroom home. Adding a person (or additional car, etc) onto an insurance plan is significantly less then buying a whole separate policy. You probably only have one cable bill. And stuff like gas costs and car maintenance, probably many of your chores are combined - you don't make 2 separate trips to the grocery store thus using twice the gas for example. You only buy one x-mas tree, and only have to have one refrigerator/lawn mower/dishwasher/other expensive appliance that occasionally needs to be repaired or replaced. Even vacations are almost always priced based on "double occupancy".

Yes.  This.  While I would never assume a couple had tons of money because they are a couple, all of this.
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Post by: Thipu1 on April 21, 2013, 10:26:33 AM
This is a post prompted by threads on restaurant annoyance and children's parties.

We were enjoying a pleasant Sunday brunch at a local restaurant.  It wasn't a romantic, candle-lit dinner but it wasn't Chuck-E-Cheese either.  There was no music and the conversation level was at a reasonable adult volume.   

All of a sudden, the place was invaded by four loudly giggling Tweens.  They were on a scavenger hunt from a Birthday party and the restaurant was one of their destinations.  While we were trying to eat our omelets three more teams from the party came in.  The first group was amusing.  By the time the last group arrived, the fun was getting a bit old. 

Has anyone else found themselves in a situation like this? 
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Post by: Bijou on April 21, 2013, 10:52:21 AM
This is a post prompted by threads on restaurant annoyance and children's parties.

We were enjoying a pleasant Sunday brunch at a local restaurant.  It wasn't a romantic, candle-lit dinner but it wasn't Chuck-E-Cheese either.  There was no music and the conversation level was at a reasonable adult volume.   

All of a sudden, the place was invaded by four loudly giggling Tweens.  They were on a scavenger hunt from a Birthday party and the restaurant was one of their destinations.  While we were trying to eat our omelets three more teams from the party came in.  The first group was amusing.  By the time the last group arrived, the fun was getting a bit old. 

Has anyone else found themselves in a situation like this?
We went to a very small bbq place to eat one evening and the closest table to us (about 2 feet away) was filled with eight of the loudest people I have ever heard in a restaurant.  We couldn't move because the only other table in the inside area was closer, yet.  They laughed sharply and often, talked loud and long.  Finally I had to be amused by it and shamelessly listened to their high volume conversation (not that we could really have our own due to the distraction of noise level.)  They had been to India, to the Philippines, to this place, that place and the other...all exotic and far away.  Finally I heard one of them say that she has so many places on her passport that coming back into the USA she was questioned as though she were a drug runner.  Then she quoted herself as telling them,  "I'm a missionary!  Please, just let me back into my own country!" 
What I thought was a group of show-offy people talking about having been around the world turned out to be a group of missionaries.  I loved it!
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Post by: Thipu1 on April 21, 2013, 11:47:45 AM
The missionaries would have wonderful tales to tell.  The Tweens were something a bit different. 

They were given an instruction sheet and, to get them moving, the instruction for the restaurant said, 'Shake a leg and find that clue!'.  The kids took it literally and I was twice asked if I would allow them to shake my leg. One girl tried it without even asking.   It seems they thought that the clue would fall from the hem of my skirt. That isn't something you want to encounter while trying to enjoy a meal.   
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Post by: zinzin on April 21, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
This is a post prompted by threads on restaurant annoyance and children's parties.

We were enjoying a pleasant Sunday brunch at a local restaurant.  It wasn't a romantic, candle-lit dinner but it wasn't Chuck-E-Cheese either.  There was no music and the conversation level was at a reasonable adult volume.   

All of a sudden, the place was invaded by four loudly giggling Tweens.  They were on a scavenger hunt from a Birthday party and the restaurant was one of their destinations.  While we were trying to eat our omelets three more teams from the party came in.  The first group was amusing.  By the time the last group arrived, the fun was getting a bit old. 

Has anyone else found themselves in a situation like this?
We went to a very small bbq place to eat one evening and the closest table to us (about 2 feet away) was filled with eight of the loudest people I have ever heard in a restaurant.  We couldn't move because the only other table in the inside area was closer, yet.  They laughed sharply and often, talked loud and long.  Finally I had to be amused by it and shamelessly listened to their high volume conversation (not that we could really have our own due to the distraction of noise level.)  They had been to India, to the Philippines, to this place, that place and the other...all exotic and far away.  Finally I heard one of them say that she has so many places on her passport that coming back into the USA she was questioned as though she were a drug runner.  Then she quoted herself as telling them,  "I'm a missionary!  Please, just let me back into my own country!" 
What I thought was a group of show-offy people talking about having been around the world turned out to be a group of missionaries.  I loved it!

I'm confused, why did you assume they were show-offy, rather than people having a conversation amongst themselves, though more loudy than you would prefer. Just because they are loud doesn't mean they are aiming their comments at anyone but their group - and in a group of eight, conversation among all is often louder, just because of distance between people.

I'm also confused as to why if people being loud is show-offy, you suddenly changed that judgement when you realized they were missionaries.
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Post by: Thipu1 on April 22, 2013, 10:07:20 AM
I would side with zinzin on this.

Sometimes people sound loud and annoying but, when you learn the reason for their exuberance, your assessment changes. 

A barbecue restaurant may be small but, like crab shacks, they are rarely quiet.  People have fun and, coming home from a missionary assignment is an occasion to have fun.  A certain amount of noise can be expected. 
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 26, 2013, 10:49:46 AM
Okay, little thing here but totally not worth it's own thread.

I'm trying to decide on a good gift for my son's godmother. 

Option #1: Desirable because she loves all things Irish including Irish linen and lace and I could see her using it as decoration in her Victorian home. 
http://www.affordablechristianproducts.com/product/3AK600GMS/Irish-Godmother-Hankie----Gift.html?meta=GAW&metacpg=3AK600GMS

That is the one I'm leaning towards.

Or option #2 A small photo album with a window where she can put a picture of the two of them together each year as he grows (we tend to see each other once a year.)
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Post by: LadyDyani on April 26, 2013, 11:00:13 AM
Okay, little thing here but totally not worth it's own thread.

I'm trying to decide on a good gift for my son's godmother. 

Option #1: Desirable because she loves all things Irish including Irish linen and lace and I could see her using it as decoration in her Victorian home. 
http://www.affordablechristianproducts.com/product/3AK600GMS/Irish-Godmother-Hankie----Gift.html?meta=GAW&metacpg=3AK600GMS

That is the one I'm leaning towards.

Or option #2 A small photo album with a window where she can put a picture of the two of them together each year as he grows (we tend to see each other once a year.)

I think both sound awesome, and I'd probably give both unless there were financial obstacles.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 26, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
I'd like to do both, really, and thought about that after posting that.   I might do the first one to give her on the day, since I won't really have a picture of the two of them until she arrives since she's actually never met him before. 

And then maybe put together the second one and mail it to her after she's gone home and I've had the chance to put it together. 
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 26, 2013, 11:06:21 AM
I like the hankie idea.

My MIL is very difficult to buy for. You can give her anything, but she will only use gift cards or money. Anything else sits until it falls apart unused. So, for the past 5 years, we have given gift cards to a bookstore.

The only passion she has is her yard, birds, and butterflies. I am thinking of buying her a bird water bowl, like http://www.wildbeaks.com/product-p/cgb-t.htm?gclid=CJOCoJnb6LYCFUOe4Aod3VsAaA&Click=478&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shoppingengine (http://www.wildbeaks.com/product-p/cgb-t.htm?gclid=CJOCoJnb6LYCFUOe4Aod3VsAaA&Click=478&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shoppingengine). Only we are going to install it, so it actually gets used.

What do you think we should do?
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 26, 2013, 11:08:37 AM
I think that's gorgeous and a great idea to put it together yourself so it won't sit around unused.  :)  And if it's in the budget, perhaps a little gift card too.
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Post by: MerryCat on April 26, 2013, 11:44:39 AM
One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.

It's not uncommon that Canadians complain a lot about Americans. There are certain things in the relationship between the two countries that Canadians feel are not always equitable, and there a certain disparity in national temperment as well (think an extroverted sibling versus an introverted one, and how they interact). However, I hope that for most people it doesn't amount to "hate," more "eyerolling and grumbling now and then".

I don't think Canadians are allowed to hate. :-)

We're allowed to hate some things, like pot holes, traffic, weather, the way that the people in X city drive (where X is any city of your choice), and That Guy Who is Running The Local Sports Team Into The Ground. I think there's an official list somewhere...
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 26, 2013, 12:22:22 PM
I think that's gorgeous and a great idea to put it together yourself so it won't sit around unused.  :)  And if it's in the budget, perhaps a little gift card too.

Thank you! We always do a card for everything. Hallmark loves us!  ;D
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on April 26, 2013, 05:41:37 PM
I'm kind of chuckling about something random, sorta. 

Okay for the last few months my bf has gone back and forth as to whether she'd like a haircut like Molly Weasley's or Tonks because she just liked their hairstyles.  Well she ended up getting one like Molly's.  Not that she asked for it to look that way, just that she got a new hairstyle and since she has natural curl and red hair, it ended up being very similar. 

Well I decided I could really use a professional cut (I've been cheap and done it myself recently but want it nice for the baptism and vacation) and decided that since she didn't go for the Tonks look and I do have straight hair, I'd go for the look and will bring in a picture as an example of what I really like.

And in looking for pictures I came across Harry Potter Wiki and sure enough found out that according to their dates, the age difference between Molly and Tonks is about the same as my friend and myself. 

(No, I'm not going for the color of Tonks's hair, just the style, though man, the $ I could save if I could magically change my hair color!)
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Post by: Corvid on April 27, 2013, 09:31:58 AM
One of my friends married a Canadian (they live in NYC) and her father in law hates "Americans."  I've been attempting to find out ever since if this attitude is commonplace.

It's not uncommon that Canadians complain a lot about Americans. There are certain things in the relationship between the two countries that Canadians feel are not always equitable, and there a certain disparity in national temperment as well (think an extroverted sibling versus an introverted one, and how they interact). However, I hope that for most people it doesn't amount to "hate," more "eyerolling and grumbling now and then".

I don't think Canadians are allowed to hate. :-)


They are, but they're required to be polite about it.
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Post by: gramma dishes on April 27, 2013, 09:36:52 AM

I don't think Canadians are allowed to hate. :-)


They are, but they're required to be polite about it.

 ;D
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Post by: Pen^2 on April 29, 2013, 04:48:54 AM
Erm, I have a question for anyone who can help:

Tomorrow I'm moving into a place with wood and tiled floors, no stairs or anything. All flat and smooth. Normally I'd use a dust mop, like at our last place, but part of me wants to go crazy and get a Roomba. Do they get the job done for just normal daily dust and hair and stuff? We're two people on a high floor with no pets. I've heard some people say they have to vacuum after their roomba, which kind of defeats the purpose a bit. Does anyone know if it's worth splurging?
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Post by: MariaE on April 29, 2013, 04:53:20 AM
Erm, I have a question for anyone who can help:

Tomorrow I'm moving into a place with wood and tiled floors, no stairs or anything. All flat and smooth. Normally I'd use a dust mop, like at our last place, but part of me wants to go crazy and get a Roomba. Do they get the job done for just normal daily dust and hair and stuff? We're two people on a high floor with no pets. I've heard some people say they have to vacuum after their roomba, which kind of defeats the purpose a bit. Does anyone know if it's worth splurging?

I have a Roomba and love it :) It cannot take the place of a thorough deep-cleaning, but for everyday stuff it's great. It's not as thorough as a manual vacuuming, but considering that I run the Roomba a lot more often than I ever vacuumed, I'd say I'm still getting a good deal ;)
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Post by: jpcher on April 29, 2013, 04:37:55 PM
Erm, I have a question for anyone who can help:

Tomorrow I'm moving into a place with wood and tiled floors, no stairs or anything. All flat and smooth. Normally I'd use a dust mop, like at our last place, but part of me wants to go crazy and get a Roomba. Do they get the job done for just normal daily dust and hair and stuff? We're two people on a high floor with no pets. I've heard some people say they have to vacuum after their roomba, which kind of defeats the purpose a bit. Does anyone know if it's worth splurging?

You might find this thread helpful (an entire thread, all by itself -- 5 pages dedicated to the roomba  ;D)

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=126668.0
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Post by: Baxter on May 06, 2013, 06:39:23 AM
I was at a dinner party the other night & there was an abundant spread of food on the table.  There was also a small pizza, which the hostess said was gluten free and for the two gluten free guests attending (they had other options too).  One of the non gluten free guests started eating the gf pizza. 

The hostess politely said "Oh, that pizza is for the gf diners"
"That's okay" said non gf guest "I can eat it" and took another slice

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Post by: Hmmmmm on May 06, 2013, 08:39:21 AM
^^
I think that is a risk you take when you provide specific food for specific guests. You've got to assume it is going to look attractive to others and plan accordingly. But the guest should have realized the hostess was requesting her to not eat it.

Was there a similar non-GF pizza offered?
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Post by: Hmmmmm on May 06, 2013, 09:08:23 AM
Last week I read this Miss Manners about a preschool teacher wanting to ask parents for $8 to make a Mother's Day gift. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/miss-manners-cousins-journey-abroad-makes-for-a-long-night/2013/04/16/b3dfc2aa-a386-11e2-be47-b44febada3a8_story.html

Any school made gift I made or received was out of existing construction paper or other school supplies. Is there a new trend starting or is this preschool teacher over reaching in her expectations?
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Post by: Luci on May 06, 2013, 09:13:05 AM
When we are serving, I have to keep all of the allergy-free food in a separate place and tell the diners where it is. I still have people, who have been coming here for 40 years, insist on looking over the reserved food. "Weird Uncle, please do not take food from the top of the dishwasher until the Allergy family has been served." Twice a year, for 40 years! And it's almost the same food as the other side of the room! A different kind of turkey ($$) and hard to get, plain potatoes and other vegies instead of buttered, no gravy, just broth from the special turkey.  And similar special stuff for the summer gettogether.

Every visit! G-r-r-r-r. I think dementia might be setting in, but that doesn't excuse the 35 years before that.
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Post by: VorFemme on May 06, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
When we are serving, I have to keep all of the allergy-free food in a separate place and tell the diners where it is. I still have people, who have been coming here for 40 years, insist on looking over the reserved food. "Weird Uncle, please do not take food from the top of the dishwasher until the Allergy family has been served." Twice a year, for 40 years! And it's almost the same food as the other side of the room! A different kind of turkey ($$) and hard to get, plain potatoes and other vegies instead of buttered, no gravy, just broth from the special turkey.  And similar special stuff for the summer gettogether.

Every visit! G-r-r-r-r. I think dementia might be setting in, but that doesn't excuse the 35 years before that.

There is a mindset, in some people, that "the grass is always greener" - in plainer language, the "reserved" food must be BETTER than the rest of the food, somehow, and it is being set aside for OTHER people, not you.  Therefore, you deserve a "taste" of it so that you know that you are special and loved, too.

Even if it is kosher for Passover, gluten free, peanut free, pepper free, and flax seed free for a relative with allergies and it is the time for that religious observance.  And if Weird Relative is really a pain in the asterisk, they will serve it with a spoon that has been dipped into some other dish that will contaminate it....fortunately, that was NOT a member of my family (and the restricted diet was a lot less strict than the hypothetical example).

Because a Weird Uncle (Aunt or cousin) never ages past four when it comes  wanting to get just a "taste" of EVERYTHING in the kitchen - I swear I've hear a story that one person of that ilk was found dipping a spoon into the bacon fat Grandma had on the stove, just to see what it was and get a "taste".  (And that container was only "tasted" the one time, according to the storyteller.)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Luci on May 06, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
Last week I read this Miss Manners about a preschool teacher wanting to ask parents for $8 to make a Mother's Day gift. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/miss-manners-cousins-journey-abroad-makes-for-a-long-night/2013/04/16/b3dfc2aa-a386-11e2-be47-b44febada3a8_story.html

Any school made gift I made or received was out of existing construction paper or other school supplies. Is there a new trend starting or is this preschool teacher over reaching in her expectations?

As a young mother, I would be livid. We still sometimes avoid, for example, a certain meal because it is $8 more than another one that we like almost as well, or return an $8 item to the store when it is flawed instead of just throwing it away.

That seems like a lot of money. I haven't done the research, but I do remember we had to pay $2.50 for a special project in the late '70s, and that was kind of hard at the time. I was angry, but didn't want to embarrass the kid, and it did make a little difference in our lives that week.
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Post by: Sharnita on May 06, 2013, 10:34:24 AM
As far as the $8, teachers usually spend a ton out of picket on clsssroom supplies. The amount they get for the year frequently does not even come close to covering needs. I imagine that is even more true for teachers working with the little ones.
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Post by: Twik on May 06, 2013, 11:07:47 AM
As far as the $8, teachers usually spend a ton out of picket on clsssroom supplies. The amount they get for the year frequently does not even come close to covering needs. I imagine that is even more true for teachers working with the little ones.

Well, yes, but if you can't cover it, you find a cheaper craft. $8 per child can add up to a lot of materials when you're buying in bulk, and I'd say it's going overboard, even for Mother's Day.
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Post by: Luci on May 06, 2013, 11:46:31 AM
As far as the $8, teachers usually spend a ton out of picket on clsssroom supplies. The amount they get for the year frequently does not even come close to covering needs. I imagine that is even more true for teachers working with the little ones.

Well, yes, but if you can't cover it, you find a cheaper craft. $8 per child can add up to a lot of materials when you're buying in bulk, and I'd say it's going overboard, even for Mother's Day.

I am an educator, from a family of educators, so am well aware of what some teachers spend. I scrounged around and got donated buckets from KFC, donated soil from the local nursery, donated plants from another nursery, and had the kids make minigardens. I did similar scrounging and begging for the musical props. I even found a source for paper when the classroom was running low. Lucas did the same thing for his field trips.

As a parent, I had no trouble with buying the school supplies for my children and the classroom supplies (tissues, wipes, etc.) or even the PTA party fund. That was all published at the beginning of the year and expenses that could be planned for.

I agree with Twik.
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Post by: gramma dishes on May 06, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
If I had a "project" in mind that could not be made with supplies already available in the school itself, I paid for it.  So did my daughter when her students (ECSE and in later years Kindergarten) made Mother's Day gifts, etc. 

To me it seems quite rude to ask mothers for money so their child can make those same mothers a 'gift' when that money could well be a substantial portion of that week's grocery supply or heating bill.

I wonder how the teacher handled it when some kids didn't show up with the requested $8.00?
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Post by: minky on May 06, 2013, 03:41:45 PM

There is a mindset, in some people, that "the grass is always greener" - in plainer language, the "reserved" food must be BETTER than the rest of the food, somehow, and it is being set aside for OTHER people, not you.  Therefore, you deserve a "taste" of it so that you know that you are special and loved, too.


This is what my cats think.
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Post by: snowflake on May 06, 2013, 05:00:08 PM
As far as the $8, teachers usually spend a ton out of picket on clsssroom supplies. The amount they get for the year frequently does not even come close to covering needs. I imagine that is even more true for teachers working with the little ones.

Well, yes, but if you can't cover it, you find a cheaper craft. $8 per child can add up to a lot of materials when you're buying in bulk, and I'd say it's going overboard, even for Mother's Day.

I'm perfectly OK with giving teacher's supplies and money.  Though I'd sort of expect everything all up-front and not as dribs and drabs throughout the year.  Plus, I might be raising hopeless cases, but $8 worth of craft supplies is sort of wasted on my pre-schoolers.  I'd expect half of it to be chewed up because boy, can my kids chew!

Not to mention the fact that the "surprise" requests were the bane of my existence even back in 198...mumble mumble.  The teacher would announce the needs for Friday's art project on Thursday.  It was often a paper lunch bag, pipe cleaners, straws, an old food can, or something else that my parents didn't keep around the house.  (My parents didn't believe in processed food or disposable lunch things.)  We didn't live close enough to a store so I couldn't get stuff myself and there was no way I would have enough allowance or chore money to buy a bag full of household items every week.  (And what would I have done with the 99 other paper bags?)  I spent lots of Friday art days reading at my desk in abject humiliation. 

Nowadays, I STILL don't keep lunch bags around the house. (My kids are young enough that they want Disney lunch boxes.)  I still hate it when I find out that they have to bring some random item the next day.  Because it's not like I'm made of time.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 06, 2013, 06:03:47 PM
Just wait until you have a high school aged student. We needed 6 extra books over the year, but the teacher would not say which ones until a week before. It was not enough time to order the book online, so you would be at the mercy of the local bookstores.
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Post by: Baxter on May 06, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
I was at a dinner party the other night & there was an abundant spread of food on the table.  There was also a small pizza, which the hostess said was gluten free and for the two gluten free guests attending (they had other options too).  One of the non gluten free guests started eating the gf pizza. 

The hostess politely said "Oh, that pizza is for the gf diners"
"That's okay" said non gf guest "I can eat it" and took another slice
^^
I think that is a risk you take when you provide specific food for specific guests. You've got to assume it is going to look attractive to others and plan accordingly. But the guest should have realized the hostess was requesting her to not eat it.

Was there a similar non-GF pizza offered?
As everyone sat down, the hostess mentioned which foods were GF and a GF guest sat down near the pizza.  There were about 4 other non GF pizza's, one identical and larger to the GF pizza but without the non allergy base.

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Post by: VorFemme on May 06, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
Just wait until you have a high school aged student. We needed 6 extra books over the year, but the teacher would not say which ones until a week before. It was not enough time to order the book online, so you would be at the mercy of the local bookstores.

And the local library had six copies.....in six different locations.....fortunately, they would take it to your preferred library for pickup.

I found ebook copies where possible and set up a spare ereader.....or told him that he had the choice to read it on the computer, the ereader, or we'd look really hard for it at Half Price Books & eBay. 
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Post by: Hillia on May 06, 2013, 07:26:32 PM
Whenever I post something about DH on facebook, whether something about how much he likes his job, something we did together, some little repair he did around the house, my 3 cousins, who I haven't seen in 40 years, will like the post, sometimes comment on it.  The inlaws?  Nothing.  MIL, FIL, BIL, aunts, cousins...nothing.  But let BIL burp, and the pages light up with comments and smiley faces and likes and shares.  Makes me nuts.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 06, 2013, 07:41:54 PM
Just wait until you have a high school aged student. We needed 6 extra books over the year, but the teacher would not say which ones until a week before. It was not enough time to order the book online, so you would be at the mercy of the local bookstores.

And the local library had six copies.....in six different locations.....fortunately, they would take it to your preferred library for pickup.

I found ebook copies where possible and set up a spare ereader.....or told him that he had the choice to read it on the computer, the ereader, or we'd look really hard for it at Half Price Books & eBay.

Tried that, but the teacher required a hard copy that could be highlighted and written in. I have never written in a book in my life!
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 06, 2013, 07:43:55 PM
I found out yesterday from DH that his parents never praised him for anything growing up, when I mentioned a pet peeve I have with his father (DFIL will never complement anything, even a special dinner made for him!). It makes me so sad, how can parents raise their child that way? No praise, just criticism.
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Post by: MerryCat on May 06, 2013, 07:44:03 PM

There is a mindset, in some people, that "the grass is always greener" - in plainer language, the "reserved" food must be BETTER than the rest of the food, somehow, and it is being set aside for OTHER people, not you.  Therefore, you deserve a "taste" of it so that you know that you are special and loved, too.


This is what my cats think.

Mine too! Each has her own food bowl, but would rather eat out of her sister's bowl. If you try to switch food bowls though, it starts world war three >.<
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 06, 2013, 08:11:03 PM
I found out yesterday from DH that his parents never praised him for anything growing up, when I mentioned a pet peeve I have with his father (DFIL will never complement anything, even a special dinner made for him!). It makes me so sad, how can parents raise their child that way? No praise, just criticism.

Dh told me about something he saw on fbook that made him think of me.  It said "It's easier to build up a child than repair an adult."  Which is why I try to praise my kids within reason and while I'm not one of those moms who think their angel can do no wrong and am honest with them about their weaknesses, I do also praise them for their strengths, of which there are many.   I also make a point of praising them when they really make an effort to overcome a weakness.

And encourage them to be independent.  My middle son was whining that he didn't think he could pack his bag by himself but I just kept pushing the list at him saying "Yes you can, you're completely capable." And sure enough he did it without my help.  I wish I'd been told that more often growing up.
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Post by: Minmom3 on May 06, 2013, 09:41:52 PM
Can't remember which book it was, but I found a line in a book on dealing with teens before they do in your brain - "find something they are doing right everyday, and tell them out loud you noticed!"  No matter how minimal, find something to praise.  It can make a huge difference.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 07, 2013, 05:57:29 AM
Okay so I'm in a bit of a quandary here.  I'd love to use canvas totes for the groceries but on the other hand, using plastic bags comes in handy too. My oldest uses them as a lunch bag, they get used for emptying litter boxes and lining small trash cans around the house. 

I guess in reusing them to empty out the litter box counts as recycling but then they still end up in a landfill, don't they? Same as using them as liners for trash cans.
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Post by: Hmmmmm on May 07, 2013, 06:36:48 AM
I use canvas bags. But there are enough times that I either buy more that I have bags for or I stop at the store on my way home without my canvas that I still seem to have a supply.
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Post by: Outdoor Girl on May 07, 2013, 08:29:31 AM
I use reuseable bags for all my groceries now.  I find I get enough plastic bags from other stores to line my kitchen garbage can.  I use a litter locker for my kitty litter so I have to buy those plastic bags but I can put about 10 days worth of stuff from two cats in one bag so I'm actually saving plastic.  I used to use small plastic bags, like you put your fruit in at the grocery store - scoop the box contents into a small bag, tie it off and put it in a larger bag until the large bag is full then it goes out in the garbage.

I use a cloth gift bag for my lunch.  It has a drawstring to keep it closed, it is easily identifiable in the fridge at work and I can toss it in the laundry to be washed every time I do laundry.  I started working here in 2004 and I've just started using my third bag so they last quite a while.  And considering that the bags I use were a free gas station give away in 1990 something, I don't think they owe me anything.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 07, 2013, 09:45:15 AM
I use reuseable bags for all my groceries now.  I find I get enough plastic bags from other stores to line my kitchen garbage can.  I use a litter locker for my kitty litter so I have to buy those plastic bags but I can put about 10 days worth of stuff from two cats in one bag so I'm actually saving plastic.  I used to use small plastic bags, like you put your fruit in at the grocery store - scoop the box contents into a small bag, tie it off and put it in a larger bag until the large bag is full then it goes out in the garbage.

I use a cloth gift bag for my lunch.  It has a drawstring to keep it closed, it is easily identifiable in the fridge at work and I can toss it in the laundry to be washed every time I do laundry.  I started working here in 2004 and I've just started using my third bag so they last quite a while.  And considering that the bags I use were a free gas station give away in 1990 something, I don't think they owe me anything.

That's a good idea.  I may start doing that, and the canvas totes at our usual grocery store are about 99 cents so it really isn't expensive to get them.   That and the store is trying to motivate people to use canvas totes instead of bags so I may buy a few each trip and just save up the plastic bags in the meantime as well as use the bags from other places.
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Post by: Thipu1 on May 07, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
I have a large canvas tote that I use for grocery shopping.  When I need bulky paper goods like paper towels or napkins, I stuff a blue Ikea bag in the tote and use that to carry things home.  We still have a use for plastic bags, though. 

Our building has a separate trash area for compostables and we collect those in plastic bags.  We also use them to pack shoes when we travel and hold things that need to be washed on the way home from a trip.

Perhaps we were a little too consciencious about recycling.  Once we ran out and had no place to put the compostables.  Paper bags just didn't work.  A valuable trash can liner had to be drafted into service. 
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Post by: Hmmmmm on May 08, 2013, 02:52:05 PM
I took drivers Ed in 1981 in my small town. In the spring of your sophmore year, the highschool football coaches had after school class room sessions, then in the summer we had 3 weeks of simulated training and then 3 weeks of on the road in a real car training. I have described the simulator training to a number of people and no one has ever heard of it.

The simulators was in a large 18 wheeler trailer. Inside were 10 to 12 simulator stations each looking like the drivers side of a car with a wheel, gear shift, pedals, turn signals, and odometer. At the front of the trailer was a large screen where the played a simulated movie as if you were driving down the road and you could see side view mirrors and a rear view mirror. Based on your reponse as the simulator driver, they could track your reactions.

The one simulation I remember the most a scene where we were driving down a 2 lane moutain road and were coming up on a bridge. We hear a load truck honk. The majority of us slammed on our breaks which caused the 18 wheeler behind us that had lost it's breaks to run us off the moutain. We all thought it funny as we lived no where near any mountains, but to this day if I hear a horn the first place I look is my rear view mirror. There were others, like driving through a neighborhood and having a child run out after a toy, or being on a freeway and having a car merge into your lane without having enough space.

I thought it added a ton to my defensive driving ability and was dissapointed something similar wasn't available to my kids when they went through driver's ed.   

Did anyone else ever have these simulators?
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Post by: random numbers on May 08, 2013, 03:02:02 PM
I remember simulator training. I can't remember if it was in a semi or not, but we definitely had the movie screen and you were graded on your reactions and how you braked and steered. 1991, that was.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 08, 2013, 03:03:30 PM
What is the point of having scheduled fire drills? We have been getting emails about the fire drill scheduled for tomorrow weekly. There will be no surprise when the fire alarm sounds.
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Post by: WillyNilly on May 08, 2013, 03:09:41 PM
What is the point of having scheduled fire drills? We have been getting emails about the fire drill scheduled for tomorrow weekly. There will be no surprise when the fire alarm sounds.

its so yu don't schedule important meetings or calls during the drill time, so you have no excuse not to participate.
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Post by: bansidhe on May 08, 2013, 03:23:18 PM
What is the point of having scheduled fire drills? We have been getting emails about the fire drill scheduled for tomorrow weekly. There will be no surprise when the fire alarm sounds.

At my place of work, it's so everyone knows where to go and what to do when the alarm sounds, so that in the event of a real alarm no one will have to think twice about it. We have assigned places to report to and specific people assigned to account for everyone.
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Post by: dawbs on May 08, 2013, 03:29:40 PM
What is the point of having scheduled fire drills? We have been getting emails about the fire drill scheduled for tomorrow weekly. There will be no surprise when the fire alarm sounds.

its so yu don't schedule important meetings or calls during the drill time, so you have no excuse not to participate.

It can also disrupt sensitive experiments--if there's a real fire, I'll pull the emergency shut-off in all of the labs on my way out the door.
If it's a drill, I'll cut the emergency gas UNLESS one of the classes is halfway through an experiment that would be destroyed by me cutting it.  In which case we figure out what can safely be left.  (I try to let the safety officers know if this might come up--we'd rather not schedule a drill then!  We had to change the last one because I had 120 extra middle-school-aged-kids who would have been halfway through a DNA extraction experiment in the middle of the drill!)
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 08, 2013, 03:46:34 PM
Good points, everyone! This is an office building and we are in between semesters, so the classroom labs upstairs aren't in use this week. Just seemed odd to me.
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on May 08, 2013, 03:50:23 PM
We didn't have the simulators (I took DE in 1988)  We had (I think) 2 weeks with classroom time in the morning, a break for lunch and then driving time.  My teacher took us onto a very busy freeway right around rush hour.  Talk about trial by fire!  I had a live simulation of another driver trying to merge with me.

 :o
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Post by: VorFemme on May 08, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
I took drivers Ed in 1981 in my small town. In the spring of your sophmore year, the highschool football coaches had after school class room sessions, then in the summer we had 3 weeks of simulated training and then 3 weeks of on the road in a real car training. I have described the simulator training to a number of people and no one has ever heard of it.

The simulators was in a large 18 wheeler trailer. Inside were 10 to 12 simulator stations each looking like the drivers side of a car with a wheel, gear shift, pedals, turn signals, and odometer. At the front of the trailer was a large screen where the played a simulated movie as if you were driving down the road and you could see side view mirrors and a rear view mirror. Based on your reponse as the simulator driver, they could track your reactions.

The one simulation I remember the most a scene where we were driving down a 2 lane moutain road and were coming up on a bridge. We hear a load truck honk. The majority of us slammed on our breaks which caused the 18 wheeler behind us that had lost it's breaks to run us off the moutain. We all thought it funny as we lived no where near any mountains, but to this day if I hear a horn the first place I look is my rear view mirror. There were others, like driving through a neighborhood and having a child run out after a toy, or being on a freeway and having a car merge into your lane without having enough space.

I thought it added a ton to my defensive driving ability and was dissapointed something similar wasn't available to my kids when they went through driver's ed.   

Did anyone else ever have these simulators?

Yes - the larger high school in San Angelo had the drivers' ed training there on a permanent basis.  I remember the simulators in 1972 or possibly 1973 (I forget which summer - I think I took it at 15 to get my learner's permit - which would have been 1972).  But my folks dropped me off on their way to work and I walked from the library to the school for class and back to the library.

Looking back - I don't remember eating lunch those days - but I might have only been there for a half day......spending my spare time, at the library, reading, was more or less my idea of heaven in those days......
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Post by: nuit93 on May 08, 2013, 05:47:51 PM
I took drivers Ed in 1981 in my small town. In the spring of your sophmore year, the highschool football coaches had after school class room sessions, then in the summer we had 3 weeks of simulated training and then 3 weeks of on the road in a real car training. I have described the simulator training to a number of people and no one has ever heard of it.

The simulators was in a large 18 wheeler trailer. Inside were 10 to 12 simulator stations each looking like the drivers side of a car with a wheel, gear shift, pedals, turn signals, and odometer. At the front of the trailer was a large screen where the played a simulated movie as if you were driving down the road and you could see side view mirrors and a rear view mirror. Based on your reponse as the simulator driver, they could track your reactions.

The one simulation I remember the most a scene where we were driving down a 2 lane moutain road and were coming up on a bridge. We hear a load truck honk. The majority of us slammed on our breaks which caused the 18 wheeler behind us that had lost it's breaks to run us off the moutain. We all thought it funny as we lived no where near any mountains, but to this day if I hear a horn the first place I look is my rear view mirror. There were others, like driving through a neighborhood and having a child run out after a toy, or being on a freeway and having a car merge into your lane without having enough space.

I thought it added a ton to my defensive driving ability and was dissapointed something similar wasn't available to my kids when they went through driver's ed.   

Did anyone else ever have these simulators?

I took Driver's Ed spring of 1999.  No simulators.
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Post by: katycoo on May 08, 2013, 06:50:23 PM
What is the point of having scheduled fire drills? We have been getting emails about the fire drill scheduled for tomorrow weekly. There will be no surprise when the fire alarm sounds.

its so yu don't schedule important meetings or calls during the drill time, so you have no excuse not to participate.

It can also disrupt sensitive experiments--if there's a real fire, I'll pull the emergency shut-off in all of the labs on my way out the door.
If it's a drill, I'll cut the emergency gas UNLESS one of the classes is halfway through an experiment that would be destroyed by me cutting it.  In which case we figure out what can safely be left.  (I try to let the safety officers know if this might come up--we'd rather not schedule a drill then!  We had to change the last one because I had 120 extra middle-school-aged-kids who would have been halfway through a DNA extraction experiment in the middle of the drill!)

Slightly O/T but its important to 'pretend' to do anything you are responsible to do in an emergency even if you don't actually do it in a drill, so that going to that spot and 'doing it' becomes part of the routine.
Our receptionist had things she had to take out of the building, and while she didn't physically take them in a drill, she touched each one and counted them off to make it part of the sequence.
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Post by: squeakers on May 08, 2013, 07:14:08 PM
Driver's Ed in 1988 and my school had 2 rooms dedicated to driver's ed: a simulator room with those individual cars and a plain classroom. It was a 4 day a week class with 3 teachers.  One would be teaching and the other 2 would be riding with students (sometimes the other way around).  The 5th day would be the day we drove. Classes of 25 or less so each day had 5-10 kids out of the room depending on if the 2nd teacher was doing driving or teaching. One of the trips we did consisted of taking the teacher to his house where he checked his mail and refilled his coffee cup. This was a semester long class.

FF to where we live now and driver's ed is a summer only class 5 days a week and they drove every other day. No simulators. And only a month long.
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Post by: Bluenomi on May 08, 2013, 07:22:02 PM
What is the point of having scheduled fire drills? We have been getting emails about the fire drill scheduled for tomorrow weekly. There will be no surprise when the fire alarm sounds.

We legally have to have a certain number a year to meet safety requirements. It's a pain but we have to do it. Plus it's also to teach peeople the escape routes (which aren't always the same, it depends on the emergency situation) and so they can time your build's response to the alarm. Can you tell I'm a warden?
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Post by: Tea Drinker on May 08, 2013, 07:37:54 PM
Another thought on pre-announced drills: the last office building I worked in had both loud audio alarms, and strobe visual alarms. When there was a drill, they would come over the PA system and announce "this is a fire drill. Please proceed to stairway C." The only way a deaf person would know it was a drill rather than an actual emergency was from seeing the posted and/or emailed announcements ahead of time, or from the reactions of their hearing coworkers. Yes, they'd likely figure it out, but I'm in favor of sparing people unnecessary worry, especially if the general approach is to let people know it's a drill right away rather than having them leave the building and then telling them.
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Post by: jpcher on May 08, 2013, 07:53:21 PM
What is the point of having scheduled fire drills? We have been getting emails about the fire drill scheduled for tomorrow weekly. There will be no surprise when the fire alarm sounds.

I'll have to google for the actual story, but just today I heard of a disaster drill going on in some town where they replicated a tornado hit. Actors of all ages were dressed up in wound-style makeup. To the point where somebody was simulated to be hit by a micro-burst and stuck in a tree.

The news radio channel that I was listening to interviewed a 12 year old girl whose arm was made up to be fractured. She said (not verbatum) "it was pretty cool watching the rescue people work."



I do think that drills are important just so that people are aware of what to do/where to go during an actual emergency. I strongly believe that drills might lessen the panic.

At my place of work, it's so everyone knows where to go and what to do when the alarm sounds, so that in the event of a real alarm no one will have to think twice about it. We have assigned places to report to and specific people assigned to account for everyone.

LOL! Do the people wear hats? The joke in our office is "CW! Grab your hat!" whenever anything minor (someone's computer locks up ::)) happens.

Yes. It's extremely important to the first responders that people in a large building know who they should report to, whether they're wearing a hat or not. ;)

And the people wearing the hats should have a check list and be able to report that "So-n-so did not check in with me." or "We're clear here."


Drills may be inconvenient but they are done so that there is no surprise as to what to do in an actual emergency.



eta: Here's the link -- http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Chicago-Firefighters-Englewood-Tornado-Drill--206400971.html
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Post by: Minmom3 on May 08, 2013, 09:16:03 PM
I remember simulator training. I can't remember if it was in a semi or not, but we definitely had the movie screen and you were graded on your reactions and how you braked and steered. 1991, that was.

I took it in the summer of 1972 in Los Angeles...  Simulators were in a portable in the parking lot (I think).  Simulators weren't hard (for me).  As I had never driven AT ALL before that summer, and had only had a bicycle as non-foot traffic other than the bus, my steering skills were really limited.  My first time at the wheel, many moms were waiting out on the street for their kids to finish class.  You never SAW a street empty so fast as when I pulled the car out of the parking lot.  It was awesome!  Lincoln Mark III, whose steering never quite returned to the same place twice, so I had a VERY hard time with it.  I think I snaked the car down that road.  I was voted Most Improved at the end of the class...  Did NOT get an A, however.  Didn't get my license for another 6 years.
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Post by: zyrs on May 08, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
One time an alarm went off in my work building just as I was pulling my coffee out of the coffee dispenser in the lunch room.  There was no place to set or throw away the cup between where I was and the exit, so I had to take it with me.  It was hot enough that it made sure I walked in a slow, orderly manner.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 09, 2013, 06:03:05 AM
I got two reusable bags from my grocery store and got entered in a chance to win free groceries for a year! Dude, sweet!! It's their incentive to get people to go green and use the bags more.  They even have these ads in the store "put your keys and coupons in them so that way you can't leave without them!"
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Post by: Margo on May 09, 2013, 06:48:09 AM
I'm interested in all the posts about Drivers Ed. Is this part of the normal school program in the USA,   or is it an optional extra which you pay for?  And are the teachers who take the lessons trained as Driving Instructors, and do the cars have dual controls?

In the UK, learning to drive is private rather than being part of the school curriculum (although you can't learn until you are 17, and until recently it was possible to leave school at 16 if you didn't want to take 'A'Levels, so a lot of people would leave school before they were old enough to learn.)

I've never heard of simulators being used here (although it sounds like an excellent idea). I guess it would only be practical if you have very large numbers of people learning.
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Post by: Margo on May 09, 2013, 06:57:01 AM
Fire Drills - we used to have these at school. The staff knew when a drill was due but pupils didn't.

We had a drill once when the alarm went off about 10 minutes before the end of the lesson, but our teacher made us write down the homework before we evacuated.

Next lesson - none of us handed in our homework. We explained that unfortunately we had all been badly burned in the previous lesson and had been unable to do it. (He was amused, and didn't punish us)


[Yes, it may have been my idea. Yes, he almost certainly knew that. No, he never said anything]


We once had a false alarm go off during a [final, external, important] exam. It turned out ot be a false alarm caused by a younger pupil. We were all evacuated out onto the tennis courts with the invigilators walking around telling us we are all still under exam conditions and must not talk.

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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 09, 2013, 07:00:02 AM
I think it really depends.  When I was 16, where I lived it was private and you had to go to a driving school that wasn't part of the school at all.  They didn't have simulators but you learned in cars that were altered to have a brake on both the passenger and driver's sides. 

I'm curious too, for everyone else who learned to drive in the US, did your instructor take you out on the highways? Mine was a nervous nellie and only let me on roads that were below 40mph and one lane each way.  I ended up on a road that at one point was a two lane road and turned into four at a light.  Guy nearly had a stroke. 

Course, I guess considering that when he wasn't teaching me my parents were and they were some of the worst drivers I knew, he might have had reason to be nervous when I got behind the wheel.
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Post by: Thipu1 on May 09, 2013, 07:44:02 AM
Many public high schools in the USA offer Driver's Ed as an elective but I don't think there's an extra charge.  You needed a learner's permit to take the course but, if you passed it, you could get your license earlier. 

I attended a private school that didn't offer the course but went to a private driving school.  It only took about half a dozen lessons to get my license.

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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 09, 2013, 08:23:05 AM
I got two reusable bags from my grocery store and got entered in a chance to win free groceries for a year! Dude, sweet!! It's their incentive to get people to go green and use the bags more.  They even have these ads in the store "put your keys and coupons in them so that way you can't leave without them!"

The last time I forgot mine, they gave me a tiny green bag on a keychain as a reminder. DS immediately hung it on his backpack.  ;D
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Post by: squeakers on May 09, 2013, 08:25:50 AM
I'm interested in all the posts about Drivers Ed. Is this part of the normal school program in the USA,   or is it an optional extra which you pay for?  And are the teachers who take the lessons trained as Driving Instructors, and do the cars have dual controls?

In the UK, learning to drive is private rather than being part of the school curriculum (although you can't learn until you are 17, and until recently it was possible to leave school at 16 if you didn't want to take 'A'Levels, so a lot of people would leave school before they were old enough to learn.)


When I took it it was part of the curriculum and was free.  You could take it at 14 but would then have to wait until you were 16 to get a full license.  Very few 14 year olds got to take the class because it was usually full with 16 year olds and then there would be me: I waited until I was 18 and it was my last semester in school.  I didn't have a car and just about everything was in walking distance (as in within 5 miles) so I didn't see the need.

When my sons took it it was not part of the curriculum, it was only done during the summer, and it cost ~$300 (or more.. we didn't pay for it, my MIL did as a gift to the boys). Middle son who took it last year almost did not get to do it because there wasn't a qualified instructor (he retired).  Luckily an instructor from a nearby school district stepped up and did the job.

Our school system is a consolidated one meaning several towns who found themselves with far too few students to justify having an elementary and a high school in each town have joined together.  In our case we have an elementary in 1 town and a middle/high school in another town.  At one point the middle school was in a third town.  With a student possibly living up to 20 miles from the school many of the 14-16 year olds get school licenses.  They can transport siblings but not friends.  They have a curfew of 11 pm unless they are driving home from work or a school event. Once they are 16 it is a full license and they can have friends in the car.

The cars do have dual brakes.
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Post by: artk2002 on May 09, 2013, 09:25:00 AM
Did anyone else ever have these simulators?

Yes, I did. That would be in Los Angeles around 1975-1976. Same trailer setup, in fact.

I don't know why they stopped doing that (other than the fact that LAUSD stopped providing drivier's ed at all many years ago.) My boys are finishing their training now with AAA and it was 30 hours of lecture and another 6-10 hours in the car.

Apparently, simluators are still being used. (http://www.cchsvoice.org/?p=3210) The one linked there is a bit different, in that it's specifically set up to deal with issues of distracted driving.
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Post by: LibraryLady on May 09, 2013, 09:28:58 AM
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The library is now in the old Hemphill-Well department store.  The Friends and other supporters were able to raise enough money  that along
with the county, they were able to really do a nice job on remodeling and updating the facility.  I haven't been to see it (I am usually through
there when it is closed), but understand it is really colorful and so much more user friendly that the previous library.

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Post by: WillyNilly on May 09, 2013, 09:31:53 AM
I'm interested in all the posts about Drivers Ed. Is this part of the normal school program in the USA,   or is it an optional extra which you pay for?  And are the teachers who take the lessons trained as Driving Instructors, and do the cars have dual controls?

In the UK, learning to drive is private rather than being part of the school curriculum (although you can't learn until you are 17, and until recently it was possible to leave school at 16 if you didn't want to take 'A'Levels, so a lot of people would leave school before they were old enough to learn.)

I've never heard of simulators being used here (although it sounds like an excellent idea). I guess it would only be practical if you have very large numbers of people learning.

I grew up in NYC and knew of no school that offered Driver's Ed, although just a few miles away on Long Island schools did. I had to take DE through the local community college for about $300. They put 3 students and one instructor in the car, which had an extra set of brakes on the passenger side. We each got about 30 minutes of practice in a week. We also had a classroom class weekly.

Driver's ed was not required to get a license, but it did reduce your (or your parent's) insurance costs by something like 10-15% so just about everyone took it.

We did not have simulators though, just regular street driving. My instructor did make each of us take a turn at getting gas though, and we did drive on some pretty major roads (like we had to make a left turn off a 3-lanes in each direction road kinda thing).
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Post by: artk2002 on May 09, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
I'm interested in all the posts about Drivers Ed. Is this part of the normal school program in the USA,   or is it an optional extra which you pay for?  And are the teachers who take the lessons trained as Driving Instructors, and do the cars have dual controls?

In the UK, learning to drive is private rather than being part of the school curriculum (although you can't learn until you are 17, and until recently it was possible to leave school at 16 if you didn't want to take 'A'Levels, so a lot of people would leave school before they were old enough to learn.)

I've never heard of simulators being used here (although it sounds like an excellent idea). I guess it would only be practical if you have very large numbers of people learning.

As I noted in my previous post, Driver's Ed was part of the curriculum when I was in high school (grades 9-12.) It was free and I think that your parents could opt you out, but otherwise everybody took it. Not surprising in Los Angeles. I don't believe that it's part of the LAUSD curriculum any longer. Bugetary issues and the fact that the state has put much more stringent requirements on the training make it tough for the schools.

We went with the Auto Club for the boys training. It cost $529 per student. The state requires 30 hours of in-class training and another 6 hours on the road. I opted for an extra 4 hours of road training, which includes freeway driving as well as how to handle anti-lock brakes. The cost is $399 without the extra 4 hours. Taking the course through the Auto Club gets the boys a membership for a year and gets us some discounts on our auto insurance (since the Auto Club is my insurer as well.)

After training, the boys need to get another 60 hours of supervised practice before they can get their provisional licenses. Under the provisional license, they can't drive other teens or younger kids, unless there's an adult (over 25 IIRC) in the front passenger seat. The license is provisional for a year or until they turn 18.
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Post by: Hmmmmm on May 09, 2013, 09:53:57 AM
I'm glad others remember simulators because I was starting to think I had dreamed it up. 

I believe in most cases in the US, drivers ed is a private expense.

In the large Texas city where I live, kids can either go to a private driving school that is in no way affiliated with the school. Class offering run year round. There is also classes offered at the highschool, but it is after school hours and parents pay a separate fee for their kids to take the classes.  In both cases, the kids start with classroom training for a certain number of hours, and then in car training. The cars are modified for the instructor to have control. Students have to spend a certain amount of time as the passenger and as an observer.  My kids in car training started in a parking lot, then local surface roads, but they also had to do quit a bit of mult-lane freeway driving to pass the course.

In my small town there was no separate schools for drivers ed training. We had a couple of school coaches who were certified instructors. Local 15 yr olds would sign up to take after school training that started in the classroom late in the spring semester. And then in the summer we would do the simulator and then in car training. Our parents did pay an extra fee for the training and the coaches were paid extra for offering the courses. Our small town didn't have any multi-lane freeways to practice on.
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on May 09, 2013, 10:12:45 AM
We took driver's ed at our HS during the summer and the teachers were the instructors.  But I'm not sure if we had to pay for it or not.  I should ask my mom.

And yes, we went on the highways on the very first day.  My instructor must have had a death wish, LOL.
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Post by: Yvaine on May 09, 2013, 10:16:04 AM
We took it in high school--you took it instead of PE one semester. The first half of the semester was theory, the second was some time spent in simulators and some in an actual car on the road, which mostly amounted to driving the instructor to Dairy Queen every day. The  simulator films were hilarious--this was the nineties and they were very. very seventies.
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Post by: snowfire on May 09, 2013, 10:24:05 AM
Early '70's here.  It was taught in the summer through the high schools, no extra charge.  You could take it as long as you would be 14 by the end of the session.  At the time, Idaho allowed a daytime only license at 14, full privileges at 16.  No simulators, we were out on the road in real cars, though we didn't do freeways until we had a bit of experience under our belts.  Idaho freeways are still pretty easy, not like driving the 405.  ;D  The cars were loaners from local dealerships.  They did not have dual controls.

My DH, who got his at 16 in California, had simulators & dual brake cars, but it was still a free deal through the schools.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 09, 2013, 10:40:00 AM
It is free in Florida to take the course through the Florida Virtual School. Real life practice is through the parents or with a contracted private company. DS gets his learner permit at the end of the month.  ;D
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Post by: CharlieBraun on May 09, 2013, 10:45:20 AM
Children at our regular sit-down, table service restaurant with outdoor (patio) seating next to the lake:

Our dog is not your toy.  The fact that we placed him at some distance from your table and behind us should be a clue.  Running over to tell me I have a dog isn't news. Running around the table to get to him from another angle is not going to happen.  And throwing a bread roll at him?  You are just lucky that I am a pacifist.  But for you - I may make an exception.

Father and mother of said children:  seating your children at a separate table from you, so you can enjoy wine with your friends, and expecting  the world to take care of your darlings is, well, stupid.  Do you see them hanging over the railing separating the patio from the lake?  Do you know that we are in Florida?  Do you know that in that lake, in Florida, as is well posted on that fence, is not one but two alligators, the only difference between them being that one is very large, while the other is merely large?

This is why we dine late.
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Post by: stkatie00 on May 09, 2013, 12:29:05 PM
We took it in high school--you took it instead of PE one semester. The first half of the semester was theory, the second was some time spent in simulators and some in an actual car on the road, which mostly amounted to driving the instructor to Dairy Queen every day. The  simulator films were hilarious--this was the nineties and they were very. very seventies.

You didn't happen to grow up outside of Chicago, because this is EXACTLY how we did it!
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Post by: Redwing on May 09, 2013, 01:18:58 PM
We took it in high school--you took it instead of PE one semester. The first half of the semester was theory, the second was some time spent in simulators and some in an actual car on the road, which mostly amounted to driving the instructor to Dairy Queen every day. The  simulator films were hilarious--this was the nineties and they were very. very seventies.

You didn't happen to grow up outside of Chicago, because this is EXACTLY how we did it!

I grew up outside of Chicago and took driver's ed in the 70s.  It's exactly how we did it, but no simulators.  We used to call it behind the book and behind the wheel.
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Post by: AngelicGamer on May 09, 2013, 01:46:04 PM
Re: Drivers Ed (only in IL that I know of) and it was late 90s.

For my high school, it was a required class for your junior year.  The only way you could get out of it was to have an IEP showing that you couldn't drive due to disability.  So I got an extra free period in my junior year.  :D  It got filled with Orientation and Mobility and I think I learned more about the rules of the road than my fellow classmates did.

For what I know from my fellow juniors, they didn't think highly of the class.  Most were envious that I could skip it - apparently the teacher was horrible, the videos were cheesy and very 70s, and you weren't allowed to drive on the actual streets around the school.  A lot of the juniors in my year went up the chain of command at the school but nothing really changed.
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Post by: Hazmat on May 09, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Indiana in the mid-70's, depending on when your birthday was, whether you took Driver's Ed in the summer, or 1 semester during the during school year, like I did.  12 students per class, Monday was classroom training, T through F was study hall except for 3 students who were driving the 1 dual brake car, which was leased from one of the local dealers. The first half of the car training was in the gymnasium parking lot, second half on the streets and highways.  The instructor had a pointer he'd poke you with if you screwed up.  If you ran over a curb, you owed him a milkshake.  If your final grade was a "B" or better, you were excused from the Driving Test when you went for your license. 
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Post by: VorFemme on May 09, 2013, 04:25:23 PM
Note to those who know San Angelo

The library is now in the old Hemphill-Well department store.  The Friends and other supporters were able to raise enough money  that along
with the county, they were able to really do a nice job on remodeling and updating the facility.  I haven't been to see it (I am usually through
there when it is closed), but understand it is really colorful and so much more user friendly that the previous library.

LL

This was back when the library was in the original turn of the last century or earlier building.....I remember going to the library in the OLD Sears building when we moved back there (Sears moved to the mall south west of town) and pointing out where the Sears fabric department had been when we shopped there back in the Dark Ages.  I also remember shopping for books in the Hemphill-Wells basement......

Having the library end up in that building seems fitting.....

And I'd swear that it's gotten hotter there in the summer - I would never try walking from the downtown area around the City Hall (all three library locations have been a block or two from City Hall and the County Courthouse) to Central High School any more - not just because of the weather, the road that I used to cross is now a full fledged highway and a lot busier than I remember it being "back then"!

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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 09, 2013, 09:32:23 PM
Has anyone here been to the Amtrak station in Martinsburg, WV who could tell me what it's like? I've got to pick someone up there on Saturday and I have directions to get there but I've never been to Martinsburg before and would like to know if possible what the parking is like (free or metered? Free on weekends? She asks hopefully) and where you go if you're waiting for someone. 

She's going to let me know if her train is expected to come in on time or late (as in more than an hour) so I'm not twiddling my thumbs waiting for her at the station.  But it'll take me about 20min to get there and I'm going to give myself 30 minutes though it looks like an easy enough drive, a short shot down 81.

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Post by: dawnfire on May 10, 2013, 04:00:06 AM
Has anyone here been to the Amtrak station in Martinsburg, WV who could tell me what it's like? I've got to pick someone up there on Saturday and I have directions to get there but I've never been to Martinsburg before and would like to know if possible what the parking is like (free or metered? Free on weekends? She asks hopefully) and where you go if you're waiting for someone. 

She's going to let me know if her train is expected to come in on time or late (as in more than an hour) so I'm not twiddling my thumbs waiting for her at the station.  But it'll take me about 20min to get there and I'm going to give myself 30 minutes though it looks like an easy enough drive, a short shot down 81.

here's a link from the Amtrak  web site http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Page&code=MRB.  It might help a bit if not give them a call.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 10, 2013, 05:07:26 AM
Well I did look at that and then decided to look at the station with google maps to see if I could zoom in enough to look for meters at the parking spaces. LOL Didn't see any!
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Post by: Snooks on May 11, 2013, 11:36:36 AM
I couldn't decide where else to put this because it's not really good news but I've had a very productive day.  I got up, went for a run (week 1 of couch 2 5K), went to the shops and got all the things I needed and was home before lunchtime, made my mum's birthday cake, cleaned the bathroom, made pizza dough for tonight's dinner, frosted the cake.  I think I've earned my sit down.
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Post by: gramma dishes on May 11, 2013, 12:01:04 PM
I couldn't decide where else to put this because it's not really good news but I've had a very productive day.  I got up, went for a run (week 1 of couch 2 5K), went to the shops and got all the things I needed and was home before lunchtime, made my mum's birthday cake, cleaned the bathroom, made pizza dough for tonight's dinner, frosted the cake.  I think I've earned my sit down.

Yeah, it's really neat when one of those days comes along when everything goes just right and you feel such a sense of accomplishment.  We should all get to have that experience a bit more often!   :)  Enjoy your sit down.  You deserve it.
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Post by: Dazi on May 11, 2013, 12:06:14 PM
I couldn't decide where else to put this because it's not really good news but I've had a very productive day.  I got up, went for a run (week 1 of couch 2 5K), went to the shops and got all the things I needed and was home before lunchtime, made my mum's birthday cake, cleaned the bathroom, made pizza dough for tonight's dinner, frosted the cake.  I think I've earned my sit down.
Awesome  ;)

I applaud your energy today...enjoy your sit down.
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Post by: HoneyBee42 on May 11, 2013, 03:05:01 PM
I'm interested in all the posts about Drivers Ed. Is this part of the normal school program in the USA,   or is it an optional extra which you pay for?  And are the teachers who take the lessons trained as Driving Instructors, and do the cars have dual controls?

In the UK, learning to drive is private rather than being part of the school curriculum (although you can't learn until you are 17, and until recently it was possible to leave school at 16 if you didn't want to take 'A'Levels, so a lot of people would leave school before they were old enough to learn.)

I've never heard of simulators being used here (although it sounds like an excellent idea). I guess it would only be practical if you have very large numbers of people learning.
It seems to be something that varies by region. Where I grew up (central Illinois), it was part of the standard school curriculum, no extra fees.  Where we live now (southern Illinois) it is also part of the standard curriculum.  Not sure if there's an extra fee (middle son will be signing up for that next school year, but oldest son already had his license when we moved).  Out where we were living (upstate NY) it was *not* part of the school curriculum and you didn't *have* to take drivers' ed (but it did get you a 20% rate reduction on insurance, so $500 well spent w/ a male child!).  What did strike me odd about NY was that in order to get the learners' permit, you had to pass the written exam (when I got my license, you got the permit *after* taking the classroom instruction not before).

Most drivers' ed instructors in the school are also coaches of various sports, I'm not sure if it's because there's more flexibility or coincidence.  The cars usually have brakes for the teacher, but I've never heard of them having full fledged controls (steering also).  It was also a one semester course that substituted for PE with one quarter "behind the book" and the other quarter "behind the wheel".  At least when I was learning, there were no simulators.  I hope the course here has some of the same things that oldest son's course had in NY (things like a special hazards class w/ semis and drunk simulation goggles and some other things that were really helpful--a lot more helpful than watching Red Asphalt.
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Post by: Optimoose Prime on May 11, 2013, 05:33:16 PM
Where I went to HS in the 80s, it was offered at school after school for a price.  It was not part of the curriculum.  I can't tell you more about it because I didn't take it.  My parents didn't have the money.  That was in St. Joseph, MO.

Here it is not offered in the school at all.  All driving lessons are private.  I know some that did take the lessons but my kids did not.  We had a scheduling issue.  That is in Alaska.

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Post by: kherbert05 on May 11, 2013, 06:19:14 PM
Last week I read this Miss Manners about a preschool teacher wanting to ask parents for $8 to make a Mother's Day gift. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/miss-manners-cousins-journey-abroad-makes-for-a-long-night/2013/04/16/b3dfc2aa-a386-11e2-be47-b44febada3a8_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/miss-manners-cousins-journey-abroad-makes-for-a-long-night/2013/04/16/b3dfc2aa-a386-11e2-be47-b44febada3a8_story.html)

Any school made gift I made or received was out of existing construction paper or other school supplies. Is there a new trend starting or is this preschool teacher over reaching in her expectations?
When I was in elementary school in Late March Early April we would draw a picture on special paper that would be sent off and made into a plate for a Mother's Day present. Our parents had to pay for them - not sure how much.  A favorite family story is how I got in trouble for sneaking the form out of my backpack and hiding it. Mom thought I was trying to hide a bad grade. When confronted I started crying that I knew I couldn't ask Mom for money for her present. (This was in April so mom wasn't thinking about teachers sending home stuff about Mother's day). I ended up paying Dad and he wrote a check to the company. So it couldn't have been much more than $5.

Now I'm a teacher. I know some of my parents are struggling to put food on the table.

My kids made giant cards.

They also wrote poems for their Moms. They typed them into the Ipads using  TypeDrawing app. Finally they drew a picture on the "Canvas" and the words of the poem became the lines of the drawing. A couple of the pieces without personal info. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14888249@N03/sets/72157633457975003/)
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Post by: gramma dishes on May 11, 2013, 07:01:20 PM
^^^  Those are very creative and very clever and the best part is that each one is an original.  They aren't all just alike. 
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Post by: Minmom3 on May 11, 2013, 07:31:08 PM
I'm interested in all the posts about Drivers Ed. Is this part of the normal school program in the USA,   or is it an optional extra which you pay for?  And are the teachers who take the lessons trained as Driving Instructors, and do the cars have dual controls?

In the UK, learning to drive is private rather than being part of the school curriculum (although you can't learn until you are 17, and until recently it was possible to leave school at 16 if you didn't want to take 'A'Levels, so a lot of people would leave school before they were old enough to learn.)

I've never heard of simulators being used here (although it sounds like an excellent idea). I guess it would only be practical if you have very large numbers of people learning.
It seems to be something that varies by region. Where I grew up (central Illinois), it was part of the standard school curriculum, no extra fees.  Where we live now (southern Illinois) it is also part of the standard curriculum.  Not sure if there's an extra fee (middle son will be signing up for that next school year, but oldest son already had his license when we moved).  Out where we were living (upstate NY) it was *not* part of the school curriculum and you didn't *have* to take drivers' ed (but it did get you a 20% rate reduction on insurance, so $500 well spent w/ a male child!).  What did strike me odd about NY was that in order to get the learners' permit, you had to pass the written exam (when I got my license, you got the permit *after* taking the classroom instruction not before).

Most drivers' ed instructors in the school are also coaches of various sports, I'm not sure if it's because there's more flexibility or coincidence.  The cars usually have brakes for the teacher, but I've never heard of them having full fledged controls (steering also).  It was also a one semester course that substituted for PE with one quarter "behind the book" and the other quarter "behind the wheel".  At least when I was learning, there were no simulators.  I hope the course here has some of the same things that oldest son's course had in NY (things like a special hazards class w/ semis and drunk simulation goggles and some other things that were really helpful--a lot more helpful than watching Red Asphalt.

In  my experience (limited to Arizona and California, USA) it used to be part and parcel of the public school system.  Once they started hacking away at school budgets, drivers ed, along with other extra curriculars, went by-by.  Or, at the very least, much reduced from former years.  The teacher my older 2 daughters had was  a certified instructor for decades, and he quit just in time to not teach #3.  She got a much newer teacher, and did not enjoy the class as much as her sisters did.  We had to pay extra to sign them up for it.  There are also private driving schools, which are far more expensive and give fewer hours of instruction.   I don't THINK (don't remember) I had to pay extra for my own classes back in 1972, and I'm pretty sure I would have been the person paying for it, as I don't think my mother would have been willing.
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Post by: WillyNilly on May 13, 2013, 08:03:19 PM
This doesn't need a whole thread but every time I go grocery shopping I think of eHell as get and put back my shopping cart. My local grocery has adopted the deposit locks on the carts to get people to put them back - and it works really well!

Basically, the carts are all locked together. You put a quarter into the thing on the handle bar and the lock pops open and you take your cart and go shop. when you are done with your cart, you push the cart back into the daisy chain, insert the chain lock and your quarter pops back out. They look like this: http://o4.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/7235560434f2a9b32912e66af48de228

The parking lot used to be full of stray carts or occasionally there would be a worker out there, pushing a huge stack of carts. Now almost everyone returns their cart, because they want their quarter back. And if you don't want to return your cart? No problem. You loose your money but it won't a nuisance if you just leave it, because someone else will surely come along and think "whoo-hoo! Free quarter!" and take the cart to later return themselves for the 25 cents.
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Post by: Outdoor Girl on May 13, 2013, 08:25:13 PM
I hate those quarter carts.  I rarely have change on me.  I finally started keeping a quarter in the cup holder in my car.  And then I usually have to go back to the car to get it because I forgot.

On the other hand, I am also one of those people who go around collecting the loose carts for the quarter.   :P
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on May 13, 2013, 08:40:58 PM
The supermarket here has a system where you unload your groceries and they load them into a new cart, that you then return. One branch has those carts.  The ones they give you in the store are always coin-less.  Which means it's not a deposit, it's a freaking rental fee.
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Post by: VorFemme on May 13, 2013, 09:29:44 PM
We used to shop at a store in Kentucky with that system (1996-1998).  There was rarely a cart loose to damage your vehicle - if there was, my DD would happily take it back to the rack as she got to keep THOSE quarters.

I also remember a special keychain that held either a quarter or a token the same size, to be used to unlock a cart.  The token and keychain cost MORE than a quarter - but the idea was that you wouldn't spend the token as it wasn't a coin.

They recently (last month) opened a new store of the same chain less than two miles from our house.  I have seen ONE loose cart in the parking lot (DS grabbed it and took it back to the rack to keep the quarter) and I got handed a quarter by a guy who wanted to use my old cart instead of wrestling with the unfamiliar locking system.  Since I'd taken a cart left behind at the cash register or bagging area - I was happy to let him have it.

It seems that not everyone "remembers" that they are going to loose a quarter, yet, since they are the only store in a wide radius using that system! 

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Post by: Ereine on May 13, 2013, 10:31:09 PM
Pretty much all our carts are locked and it's very rare to see loose carts around. I think that they would be a bigger problem here as it seems to me that our grocery stores have less staff, there are no baggers for example. The carts usually accept several different coins, many places give out tokens as freebies and I imagine that at most stores the cashiers will give you a token to use if you have no coins, I've seen it happen.
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Post by: Bluenomi on May 13, 2013, 11:57:12 PM
Ours need $1 or $2 coins, people are much less likely to leave those behind!
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Post by: MariaE on May 14, 2013, 02:10:23 AM
Ours need $1 or $2 coins, people are much less likely to leave those behind!

Exactly :) Here we use DKK10 or DKK20 coins - which is about US$2-4 depending on the current exchange rate.
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Post by: Redwing on May 14, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
All your etiquette questions answered right here:  http://www.dailydot.com/society/1950s-how-to-instructional-videos-youtube/
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Post by: Margo on May 14, 2013, 02:08:51 PM
Shopping carts : most of our supermarkets have the chains - they take £1 coins, and you can get key rings with tokens on if you want.

Drivers Ed - thanks for all the replies. To clarify, when I mentioned dual controls I meant the pedals - (I've never seen a car with dual steering wheels. )
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Post by: afbluebelle on May 14, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
I've been looking for an awesome AFN commercial about lost shopping carts. It has that "Angel" song from the depressing ASPCA commercials, but instead of abandoned animals, it has abandoned shopping carts that were left around base. It was pretty much the only good thing that they showed on AFN while I was in Korea. I actually teared up a little when they showed a picture of one stuck behind a chain link fence... I was laughing that hard. >:D

ETA - After exhausting my google-fu skills, I messaged the AFN Korea network on Facebook. I hope to find results ;D
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Post by: AngelicGamer on May 15, 2013, 02:11:57 AM
*scratches head*

Water is a known allergen?

I came from the Wanting a Peanut-Free College thread and thought it's best not to derail that one.
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Post by: Dazi on May 15, 2013, 06:09:23 AM
*scratches head*

Water is a known allergen?

I came from the Wanting a Peanut-Free College thread and thought it's best not to derail that one.

Yes it is.  My dad is allergic to water.  It's a condition known as Aquagenic pruritis.  He itches for about an hour after water exposure whether it's from showering or getting caught in the rain...sometimes he gets the small red bump rash thing.

I'm also allergic to water, but not.  I'm specifically allergic to the chlorine that is added to water.  I use a carbon filter shower head and that helps a lot with the itching.
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Post by: Margo on May 15, 2013, 01:11:37 PM
Yes. My aunt has recently become allergic to water. They're trying to work out whether it is strictly the water or if it is any of the trace elements, but as she's had the reaction to water in different areas they're pretty sure it's the water itself.
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Post by: gramma dishes on May 15, 2013, 01:19:20 PM
 :-[  Yes, some people are allergic to water on their skin.  I can drink it, but have to be very careful about making sure showers are quick and drying off really well, using gloves for hand washing dishes, etc.  It's actually quite embarrassing to be the one person who seems to 'never' wash their hands in many situations where normal people do.
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Post by: AngelicGamer on May 15, 2013, 01:21:32 PM
:(  Thanks everyone.  It was just really strange to me.  Gramma Dishes, I don't think you should ever be embarrassed - what goes through my mind with people not washing their hands is "must be allergic to the soap" not "ew, gross".
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Post by: doodlemor on May 17, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
I apologize if this is not the correct place to put this.  I thought that this was a bit weird, but not worth a thread.

A few minutes ago, just at the end of lunchtime, two young teens came to the door.  They were boys about 13 - 14.  They had two large sacks with them, with about 6 - 8 **unrefrigerated** but well wrapped subs in each.  They said that they were selling subs for their school.  I politely told them "Thanks anyway, but I couldn't eat a sub."

Does anyone else think that this is a strange idea for a fund raiser?  I was seriously concerned about the prospect of food poisoning.

I felt badly not buying anything from the kids, because it is a lovely parochial school.  If they had been selling cupcakes, candy, nuts, whatever I would have bought from them.  Unrefrigerated generic subs?  No thanks.

I really hope that this was not planned as a fund raiser.  I hope that the school perhaps had extra subs from lunch, and the kids talked the teachers into letting them go door to door. 
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Post by: Venus193 on May 17, 2013, 02:32:40 PM
I agree.

I personally find the school fund raiser thing completely obnoxious.  It infringes on the kids' study time and obligates expenditures that should be covered by other means.  This specific example is not a good one at all, as there could be major food safety issues.
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Post by: jedikaiti on May 17, 2013, 04:49:30 PM
I took drivers Ed in 1981 in my small town. In the spring of your sophmore year, the highschool football coaches had after school class room sessions, then in the summer we had 3 weeks of simulated training and then 3 weeks of on the road in a real car training. I have described the simulator training to a number of people and no one has ever heard of it.

The simulators was in a large 18 wheeler trailer. Inside were 10 to 12 simulator stations each looking like the drivers side of a car with a wheel, gear shift, pedals, turn signals, and odometer. At the front of the trailer was a large screen where the played a simulated movie as if you were driving down the road and you could see side view mirrors and a rear view mirror. Based on your reponse as the simulator driver, they could track your reactions.

The one simulation I remember the most a scene where we were driving down a 2 lane moutain road and were coming up on a bridge. We hear a load truck honk. The majority of us slammed on our breaks which caused the 18 wheeler behind us that had lost it's breaks to run us off the moutain. We all thought it funny as we lived no where near any mountains, but to this day if I hear a horn the first place I look is my rear view mirror. There were others, like driving through a neighborhood and having a child run out after a toy, or being on a freeway and having a car merge into your lane without having enough space.

I thought it added a ton to my defensive driving ability and was dissapointed something similar wasn't available to my kids when they went through driver's ed.   

Did anyone else ever have these simulators?

I did, back in about 1989. I don't recall getting run off the side of the mountain, but it was almost impossible, sitting there in the dark, to tell if your "car" was even turned on - We'd start the simulation, be pulling out of our parking spots, and the instructor would call out station #s that hadn't been started.
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Post by: jedikaiti on May 17, 2013, 04:57:03 PM
Many public high schools in the USA offer Driver's Ed as an elective but I don't think there's an extra charge.  You needed a learner's permit to take the course but, if you passed it, you could get your license earlier. 

I attended a private school that didn't offer the course but went to a private driving school.  It only took about half a dozen lessons to get my license.

I went to a private high school but took driver's ed at the local public high school - I assume there was a charge for it, but since we lived (and Mom & Dad paid property taxes in) that school district, maybe not. I don't remember the exact details of how it was structured, just that we had classroom time, simulator time, and on-the-road time (in groups of 3 - we'd pull off the road and switch drivers at various points - in the instructor's car, which had an emergency brake fitted for his use in case we were about to wreck. Which he used with a sense of humor.).
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Post by: jedikaiti on May 17, 2013, 05:08:46 PM
I apologize if this is not the correct place to put this.  I thought that this was a bit weird, but not worth a thread.

A few minutes ago, just at the end of lunchtime, two young teens came to the door.  They were boys about 13 - 14.  They had two large sacks with them, with about 6 - 8 **unrefrigerated** but well wrapped subs in each.  They said that they were selling subs for their school.  I politely told them "Thanks anyway, but I couldn't eat a sub."

Does anyone else think that this is a strange idea for a fund raiser?  I was seriously concerned about the prospect of food poisoning.

I felt badly not buying anything from the kids, because it is a lovely parochial school.  If they had been selling cupcakes, candy, nuts, whatever I would have bought from them.  Unrefrigerated generic subs?  No thanks.

I really hope that this was not planned as a fund raiser.  I hope that the school perhaps had extra subs from lunch, and the kids talked the teachers into letting them go door to door.

Call the school office and ask them about it? I wouldn't buy an unrefrigerated sub like that, either!
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Post by: jpcher on May 17, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
I apologize if this is not the correct place to put this.  I thought that this was a bit weird, but not worth a thread.

A few minutes ago, just at the end of lunchtime, two young teens came to the door.  They were boys about 13 - 14.  They had two large sacks with them, with about 6 - 8 **unrefrigerated** but well wrapped subs in each.  They said that they were selling subs for their school.  I politely told them "Thanks anyway, but I couldn't eat a sub."

Does anyone else think that this is a strange idea for a fund raiser?  I was seriously concerned about the prospect of food poisoning.

I felt badly not buying anything from the kids, because it is a lovely parochial school.  If they had been selling cupcakes, candy, nuts, whatever I would have bought from them.  Unrefrigerated generic subs?  No thanks.

I really hope that this was not planned as a fund raiser.  I hope that the school perhaps had extra subs from lunch, and the kids talked the teachers into letting them go door to door.

Call the school office and ask them about it? I wouldn't buy an unrefrigerated sub like that, either!

I agree that there's something quite a bit off by this. I'd call the office simply out of curiosity. Then you'll know, if they come to your door again, if this (or similar) fundraiser is ligit or not.

Normally with food stuff and fundraisers they take an order from you and deliver (or you pick-up) at a later date.
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Post by: bansidhe on May 18, 2013, 02:36:17 AM
This really doesn't fit anywhere else, though it is a story about rudeness. Here goes:

A elderly neighbor of mine had a stroke a while back and doesn't drive, so a bunch of us in the area give him rides wherever he needs to go. He's quite entertaining and full of stories. A few weeks ago he told me one that left me going  :o and  >:(.

Some years ago, Neighbor had just started working at the local food bank and was helping to unload and store donated food. Neighbor is a Muslim and follows Muslim dietary restrictions. His supervisor, who wasn't aware of his religion, asked him to pick up and move several hams. He started off saying, "Oh, sorry, I can't handle pork products" intending to explain why, but supervisor was having none of it. She cut him off, started ranting about lazy employees and insubordination, and then picked up a ham and threw it at him.

I've had some bad days at work, but no one has ever thrown food at me.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 18, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
I would love to spend some quality time with that supervisor. How dare she do that!  >:(
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Post by: m2kbug on May 19, 2013, 01:50:54 AM
I took drivers Ed in 1981 in my small town. In the spring of your sophmore year, the highschool football coaches had after school class room sessions, then in the summer we had 3 weeks of simulated training and then 3 weeks of on the road in a real car training. I have described the simulator training to a number of people and no one has ever heard of it.

<snip>

I thought it added a ton to my defensive driving ability and was dissapointed something similar wasn't available to my kids when they went through driver's ed.   

Did anyone else ever have these simulators?

We had those simulators.  Our teacher got it all wrong...it's possible he should not have been teaching.  Half the parents of my classmates had this same teacher when they went to this school.  Anyway, the point system was less points the better, I believe.  Whenever you made an error, you scored points, so the more points you had, the worse you did.  Teacher got it backwards, so we just had a blast "hitting" signs and cars and, oh, a pedestrian!  Okay, that sounds morbid and wrong, but we had a blast goofing off. 

I don't recall those simulators really being that useful, even when trying to do it right.  We also had behind-the-wheel.  Teacher yelling, "Get your foot off the brake!  Get your foot off the brake!"  When his foot was on his brake.  What a stressful job.   :D 
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Post by: m2kbug on May 19, 2013, 01:57:03 AM
I'm interested in all the posts about Drivers Ed. Is this part of the normal school program in the USA,   or is it an optional extra which you pay for?  And are the teachers who take the lessons trained as Driving Instructors, and do the cars have dual controls?


It was part of our high school curriculum with the simulators, but I think my parents might have had to pay extra for the behind-the-wheel training.  Back when I was getting my license, people who took behind-the-wheel didn't have to take a driver's test, just a written test for the license. 
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Post by: LadyDyani on May 19, 2013, 10:43:39 AM
I apologize if this is not the correct place to put this.  I thought that this was a bit weird, but not worth a thread.

A few minutes ago, just at the end of lunchtime, two young teens came to the door.  They were boys about 13 - 14.  They had two large sacks with them, with about 6 - 8 **unrefrigerated** but well wrapped subs in each.  They said that they were selling subs for their school.  I politely told them "Thanks anyway, but I couldn't eat a sub."

Does anyone else think that this is a strange idea for a fund raiser?  I was seriously concerned about the prospect of food poisoning.

I felt badly not buying anything from the kids, because it is a lovely parochial school.  If they had been selling cupcakes, candy, nuts, whatever I would have bought from them.  Unrefrigerated generic subs?  No thanks.

I really hope that this was not planned as a fund raiser.  I hope that the school perhaps had extra subs from lunch, and the kids talked the teachers into letting them go door to door.

Those subs that schools sell are similar to one you could get out of a vending machine, or the kind you can pick up at a gas station, or lunchables lunches.

They've got so many preservatives and chemicals in them, you could leave them on the kitchen counter for days and they'd still be ok to eat.

One of my kids sold them a few years ago, I think it was my daughter selling for choir, or maybe drama club?

They taste awful.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 19, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
I discovered something while on vacation. I've thought for a while that my eyesight isn't that bad other than getting a bit of double vision when I'm tired due to a lazy eye that likes to wander off on its own more when I'm tired, and an astigmatism. 

But then while on vacation my friend asked me to hold her glasses while she pulled her sweatshirt off or on and I put them on just for fun.  I tend to do that sometimes with friend's glasses. I don't take them off their face but if they ask me to hold them while they do something I'll try them on to see what their vision is like.  I expected my vision to turn fuzzy but instead it brought the world into clearer focus! 

So I guess I need glasses!
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Post by: Luci on May 19, 2013, 02:26:05 PM
I discovered something while on vacation. I've thought for a while that my eyesight isn't that bad other than getting a bit of double vision when I'm tired due to a lazy eye that likes to wander off on its own more when I'm tired, and an astigmatism. 

But then while on vacation my friend asked me to hold her glasses while she pulled her sweatshirt off or on and I put them on just for fun.  I tend to do that sometimes with friend's glasses. I don't take them off their face but if they ask me to hold them while they do something I'll try them on to see what their vision is like.  I expected my vision to turn fuzzy but instead it brought the world into clearer focus! 

So I guess I need glasses!

Congratulations on your insight  :)! I promise, if you get a good prescription and have them adjusted well, you will have a whole new veiw of the world  :). And if you want to go without them for vanity reasons, at least you know you can get away with that, too!

I started wearing glasses at the age of 9, and have been grateful for them forever!
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 19, 2013, 03:37:53 PM
Oh I don't mind wearing glasses, really.  In fact I've been told I look rather cute with them on.  I've actually worn them in the past, when I was in college to see if it would correct the lazy eye issue but it didn't work and when I lost the glasses I never bothered to replace them because at the time I didn't notice enough of a difference in my sight to care much about not having them.

It was really something, as we were on the boardwalk and there I am standing outside one of the many souvenir stores, looking out to the horizon and when I put her glasses on, suddenly it became closer and a lot crisper.

Course looking down at the boardwalk was a whole 'nother thing but that's because she wears bifocals and she said they take some getting used to, even when you need them. 
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Post by: Onyx_TKD on May 19, 2013, 03:52:42 PM
Oh I don't mind wearing glasses, really.  In fact I've been told I look rather cute with them on.  I've actually worn them in the past, when I was in college to see if it would correct the lazy eye issue but it didn't work and when I lost the glasses I never bothered to replace them because at the time I didn't notice enough of a difference in my sight to care much about not having them.

It was really something, as we were on the boardwalk and there I am standing outside one of the many souvenir stores, looking out to the horizon and when I put her glasses on, suddenly it became closer and a lot crisper.

Course looking down at the boardwalk was a whole 'nother thing but that's because she wears bifocals and she said they take some getting used to, even when you need them.

Isn't it amazing what a difference it makes?  :D When I was a kid and my prescription was changing from year to year, I never really noticed my vision getting worse because it was so gradual, but once I got my new lenses, it was so obvious how much crisper and sharper everything was.
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Post by: m2kbug on May 19, 2013, 03:57:12 PM
It was really something, as we were on the boardwalk and there I am standing outside one of the many souvenir stores, looking out to the horizon and when I put her glasses on, suddenly it became closer and a lot crisper.

Course looking down at the boardwalk was a whole 'nother thing but that's because she wears bifocals and she said they take some getting used to, even when you need them.

Isn't it amazing what a difference it makes?  :D When I was a kid and my prescription was changing from year to year, I never really noticed my vision getting worse because it was so gradual, but once I got my new lenses, it was so obvious how much crisper and sharper everything was.

I remember that first pair.  It was a slow deterioration that it was hardly noticeable until it got bad enough I finally recognized there was a problem said something.  I remember how crisp everything was and seeing the strands of people's hair and individual leaves and colors popped! 
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 19, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
My friend thought it was rather funny actually, and as she sometimes tends to act like a bossy big sister now  and then I'm sure she's not going to let me forget to get that taken care of.  We don't have vision insurance at the moment so I'm going to have to save up.
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Post by: dawbs on May 19, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
*snip*



I remember that first pair.  It was a slow deterioration that it was hardly noticeable until it got bad enough I finally recognized there was a problem said something.  I remember how crisp everything was and seeing the strands of people's hair and individual leaves and colors popped!

My 2 year old recently got her first pair of glasses.
Being 2, we expected some issues (most of which haven't happened, yay!)--when Mr. Dawbs asked her if she saw better, if things were less blurry, she said yes...
"When I put my glasses on it zaps the blurries and there's no more fog so I see better"

I'm not sure how much of that is what 'she' thinks and how much of that is what she put together from the many conversations w/ doctors and w/ us and all that (and there were many--it takes 3ish hours to do an eye test on a toddler--and that was our 3rd doctor's visit for 'why are her eyes going funky?').  But it seemed an apt description ;)
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Post by: AngelicGamer on May 19, 2013, 08:37:02 PM
dawbs, your two year old is adorable.  :)
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 19, 2013, 08:40:01 PM
That is so cute! :)
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Post by: m2kbug on May 19, 2013, 08:58:30 PM
I had to get professional hearing tests on mine for speech therapy and my one newborn had a hearing test in the hospital.  How in the world do they do that when the kids have little to no capacity for communication?  They have their measurements and tests and you just have to go with it.  I would say as long as the baby isn't complaining about headaches, the prescription is correct. 

I imagine an eye exam for a toddler is lengthy, if not just for sitting still.   :)

Very cute!
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Post by: Luci on May 19, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
I had to get professional hearing tests on mine for speech therapy and my one newborn had a hearing test in the hospital.  How in the world do they do that when the kids have little to no capacity for communication?  They have their measurements and tests and you just have to go with it.  I would say as long as the baby isn't complaining about headaches, the prescription is correct. 

I imagine an eye exam for a toddler is lengthy, if not just for sitting still.   :)

Very cute!

Something that has baffled me since I was 7 years old: my mother was given spectacles at the age of 2, so in 1915. She was fine with glasses of new prescriptions for all those years.

When our daughter went in for glasses, 1973, there was a lot of equipment that measured her biological lenses and figured out what she needed, plus, Daughter was old enough to play with the eye charts.

How in the world, in 1915, did they manage to make glasses for a 2 year old, and the glasses were so much better than natural vision that a toddler would be willing to wear them?
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Post by: dawbs on May 19, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
From what I've learned in the last few months, for very young kids, they pay attention to the child's ability to focus on an object.
(they did have 'pictogram' eye charts--which also caused issues, because my child has never seen an 'old style' phone, and didn't know that one  ;))

With modern equipment, meant pushing buttons so the objects off in the corners (lights, stuffed toys, etc) moved--and seeing if she was 1-focusing there (seemed able to see the object and retain interest) and 2-able to FOLLOW the object--so if she was watching the blue stuffed dog, when it walked from left to right, did she follow it with her eyes. (I'd imagine that an assistant w/ a toy on a stick was probably in place before the electronic gizmos :)
(the techs held various prisms/lenses in front of her eyes while they did this)

Apparently, kids have incredibly elastic lenses, so they can make themselves focus, but they can't always force their eyes to follow what they've focused on. 

They did also dilate her eyes--because that keeps them from being able to focus--and then the doctor put on a monstrosity of a helmet (on the doc's head, not the kids :), and played w/ looking at the shape of her eyes and looking into the backs of eyes, to tweak the prescription they had so far.
Think of all the equipment that the eye doctor puts in front of your eyes at an appointment--now attach that to the doc's helmet--that way the kid wasn't batting things away.
That part was actually decidedly low-tech--it had prisms and lenses and some lights...and that was it.  So nothing new and fancy.  (and the doc could use the kiddo's favorite toy bunny as part of the 'game'--which helped.  And Bunny ALSO got an eye patch when they were trying to limit which eye saw what ;))
This is the closest I can get to a picture of it: http://www.honolulueyeclinic.com/images09/pediatric_eye_exam.jpg--I would swear our doctor's had more things attached than that.
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Post by: Minmom3 on May 19, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
I discovered something while on vacation. I've thought for a while that my eyesight isn't that bad other than getting a bit of double vision when I'm tired due to a lazy eye that likes to wander off on its own more when I'm tired, and an astigmatism. 

But then while on vacation my friend asked me to hold her glasses while she pulled her sweatshirt off or on and I put them on just for fun.  I tend to do that sometimes with friend's glasses. I don't take them off their face but if they ask me to hold them while they do something I'll try them on to see what their vision is like.  I expected my vision to turn fuzzy but instead it brought the world into clearer focus! 

So I guess I need glasses!

If they tell you your astigmatism is too small to correct via lenses, or not worth bothering with - don't listen to them!  They tried to tell me that, and I gave in and got lenses without that correction, and I couldn't read for more than a few seconds without getting a headache!  The print wouldn't stop dancing on the page.....  I took them back and made them redo the lenses and not charge me, since I HAD said I wanted that in the first place.  My astigmatism isn't (or wasn't) so great, but I sure have to have it addressed in the lenses for reading comfort, and I read a LOT!
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Post by: m2kbug on May 19, 2013, 11:41:24 PM
Thank you for the description, Dawbs!  I appreciate it.  I know the Snellen chart for pre-schoolers and kinder and grade school is different for that of adults, and I know doctors have methods and measurements, but you really clarified the process for such a young little person.  Thank you for that!  I'm long outside of toddler-hood, but I deal with certain tests through my job, which is largely paperwork, I have no idea how the nitty-gritty works. 

How did you determine your child's vision was problematic at such a young age, if you don't mind my getting all personal on you?  Feel free to ignore. :)  I don't want to intrude. 
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Post by: m2kbug on May 19, 2013, 11:51:59 PM
I discovered something while on vacation. I've thought for a while that my eyesight isn't that bad other than getting a bit of double vision when I'm tired due to a lazy eye that likes to wander off on its own more when I'm tired, and an astigmatism. 

But then while on vacation my friend asked me to hold her glasses while she pulled her sweatshirt off or on and I put them on just for fun.  I tend to do that sometimes with friend's glasses. I don't take them off their face but if they ask me to hold them while they do something I'll try them on to see what their vision is like.  I expected my vision to turn fuzzy but instead it brought the world into clearer focus! 

So I guess I need glasses!

If they tell you your astigmatism is too small to correct via lenses, or not worth bothering with - don't listen to them!  They tried to tell me that, and I gave in and got lenses without that correction, and I couldn't read for more than a few seconds without getting a headache!  The print wouldn't stop dancing on the page.....  I took them back and made them redo the lenses and not charge me, since I HAD said I wanted that in the first place.  My astigmatism isn't (or wasn't) so great, but I sure have to have it addressed in the lenses for reading comfort, and I read a LOT!

I have an astigmatism and never had issues with glasses or contacts and even got LASIK.  I think the prescription (for contact lenses) was slightly lesser for the astigmatism eye than what would normally be prescribed, but to do the "real" prescription would be too much...I can't really remember the details, it was 25 years ago.  Way too many advancements and knowledge to allow astigmatism to be a barrier at this point in time.  It seems you're at the reading glasses age...fun, fun...so you have choices you need to make for glasses in that arena, but astigmatism should not be a problem.

I get the double vision sometimes too thanks to Mr. Stig, so let's hope to dig up some gold for the eye doctor.   ;D
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Post by: bansidhe on May 20, 2013, 12:49:37 AM
I discovered something while on vacation. I've thought for a while that my eyesight isn't that bad other than getting a bit of double vision when I'm tired due to a lazy eye that likes to wander off on its own more when I'm tired, and an astigmatism. 

But then while on vacation my friend asked me to hold her glasses while she pulled her sweatshirt off or on and I put them on just for fun.  I tend to do that sometimes with friend's glasses. I don't take them off their face but if they ask me to hold them while they do something I'll try them on to see what their vision is like.  I expected my vision to turn fuzzy but instead it brought the world into clearer focus! 

So I guess I need glasses!

I had my eyes examined when I was 22. There was some minor nearsightedness but the correction was so small I didn't bother doing anything about it. Then, for no particular reason, I didn't have another eye exam until I was 44. At that time, on a whim, I decided to see the eye doctor.

In the middle of the test, the doctor looked at me from around the machine and asked, "Have you been driving like this?!" So I went from never having worn glasses in my life to wearing progressives. When I picked them up, they told me not to wear them while driving at first until I got used to them. Just for the heck of it I put them on when I got into the car and was blown away by the difference they made. I drove with them right away and have never driven without them since.
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Post by: zyrs on May 20, 2013, 03:26:04 AM
My wife didn't get glasses until after she had been in first grade for a while. 

Her teacher wrote something on the blackboard for her to try reading.  Luckily the teacher was astute, because up until that point in school my wife had no idea there was a blackboard.  For her to see something she needs glasses or to bring it within 4 inches of her face.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 20, 2013, 05:46:25 AM
My friend wears progressives and when she told me to try to walk with her glasses on, suddenly I look down and it's like trying to walk in a funhouse.  Interestingly nothing was blurry.  The boards of the boardwalk were as clear as day, just much closer and she did tell me that doctors say your first time wearing bifocals, be careful driving or going downstairs and that you have to point your nose to whatever you need to look at.

I got my eyes checked maybe about 6 or so years ago but never did end up getting glasses.  I think it was because at the time I didn't really notice much of a difference between my vision with and without so didn't see the point in spending the money.

Now I think I'll go for it, but find an inexpensive place.
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Post by: dawbs on May 20, 2013, 09:22:10 AM
Thank you for the description, Dawbs!  I appreciate it.  I know the Snellen chart for pre-schoolers and kinder and grade school is different for that of adults, and I know doctors have methods and measurements, but you really clarified the process for such a young little person.  Thank you for that!  I'm long outside of toddler-hood, but I deal with certain tests through my job, which is largely paperwork, I have no idea how the nitty-gritty works. 

How did you determine your child's vision was problematic at such a young age, if you don't mind my getting all personal on you?  Feel free to ignore. :)  I don't want to intrude.

No problem :)

We actually noticed because her eyes (er, one eye, actually) started crossing a lot.
The pediatrician had us come in and determined it wasn't neurological, and sent us to a pediatric opthomologist--who said taht basically, if a child is severely farsighted, they can often force their eyes to focus, but since it takes so much 'work', they can usually only force the better eye to focus--the 'bad' eye will just 'drift' off and be ignored by the brain.

With glasses, they can correct the crossing (and, assuming the luck holds, prevent surgery to correct the crossing.  Glasses seem to be doing the trick, but if they don't, step 2 is patching, step 3 is surgery.  We're holding out for glasses doing the trick :)) because the eyes don't have to work so hard to focus so they don't get the strain where the eye starts to drift.

(actually, that gets into the touchy territory--there's some debate about whether you make the prescription be for the FULL amount [so the eyes work less, risk, the eye muscles weakening] or for slightly weaker than what is needed [so the eyes work more, risk for eye strain and less effective to prevent crossing'--so it's not unusual for there to be some debate bout the correct script for a child's lenses)



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Post by: jedikaiti on May 20, 2013, 01:46:54 PM
I first got glasses as a high school sophomore - I had no idea I needed them, but Dad noticed me squinting at the TV one night. My vision wasn't that bad, but I had a bit of astigmatism. A few years later, I got contacts and wore them for a couple years. Then I didn't need glasses for a few years, then I started getting a bunch of headaches due to eye strain, so I went back and got both glasses and contacts (backups for each other, not at the same time! <G>).
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Post by: Dindrane on May 20, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
I got my eyes checked maybe about 6 or so years ago but never did end up getting glasses.  I think it was because at the time I didn't really notice much of a difference between my vision with and without so didn't see the point in spending the money.

Now I think I'll go for it, but find an inexpensive place.

Just as an FYI, medical insurance will often cover a lot of what's done at a typical eye exam. Before I had vision insurance, my medical insurance covered everything but refraction (the part of the exam that determines your glasses prescription). I found an optometrist that took my insurance and only charged $25 for refraction. I was on my own for lenses and frames, but it's often possible to find a deal on those in chain glasses stores.

My optometrist also wants to see me at least every couple of years, even though I have a very low prescription that has remained pretty stable over the past few years and don't have any particular eye or vision problems at this point in my life. I do have a pronounced family history of early-onset cataracts and glaucoma, but I am also still in my late 20s and so too young to have to seriously worry about either yet. So regular, even if not frequent, visits to the eye doctor definitely seem to be encouraged.
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Post by: Snooks on May 27, 2013, 10:59:12 AM
I know we used to have a thread about how people didn't get certain movies but I had a different experience.  I watched Grave of the Fireflies which lots of people describe as "incredibly bleak" but I found it a really heartwarming story.  Objectively I can see it's about a sad subject (Brother and sister struggle to survive after their mother is killed in an air raid in WW2 Japan) but the actual essence of the story (brother looks after sister, they love each other and enjoy being together) I think is lovely.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on May 27, 2013, 12:45:38 PM
I did end up getting an eye exam yesterday at Target's optical center.   Previous times when my eyes were examined, the optician would say "Well it's up to you if you want glasses or not, you could get away without them." This time I was told "You can go pick out your frames, now." I don't know what my script is, I forgot to ask and will ask when I pick them up but she did confirm my astigmatism.  Which couldn't have been too hard.   When reading with my left eye alone, the letters on the chart became fuzzier as I read left to right, to the point that the last two on the chart in the second row looked more like numbers than letters.
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Post by: Pen^2 on May 27, 2013, 12:54:59 PM
I know we used to have a thread about how people didn't get certain movies but I had a different experience.  I watched Grave of the Fireflies which lots of people describe as "incredibly bleak" but I found it a really heartwarming story.  Objectively I can see it's about a sad subject (Brother and sister struggle to survive after their mother is killed in an air raid in WW2 Japan) but the actual essence of the story (brother looks after sister, they love each other and enjoy being together) I think is lovely.

I know what you mean. I love that film. The director was told by someone once that it was inappropriate to have used cartoons instead of real people. His response was that it wasn't a film about people; it was about emotions, for which the symbolism enabled by graphic representation is far better fitting.

I produced litres of tears while watching it, though.
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Post by: HoneyBee42 on May 27, 2013, 03:22:15 PM
My wife didn't get glasses until after she had been in first grade for a while. 

Her teacher wrote something on the blackboard for her to try reading.  Luckily the teacher was astute, because up until that point in school my wife had no idea there was a blackboard.  For her to see something she needs glasses or to bring it within 4 inches of her face.
I got all the way to second grade before someone caught on.  When I went home with my first pair of glasses, I was reading all the street signs (like we came to the intersection of Main St and Elm St, I'd read off "Main Street and "Elm Street" and every "speed limit 40mph" and "no parking", etc that we passed--I honestly had never known they were there).  Perhaps it wasn't so strange that I didn't learn to ride a bike until after glasses, either (even though "everyone else" had been riding since preschool).
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Post by: Dazi on May 27, 2013, 03:49:01 PM
I think it was 6th or 7th grade before they figured out I needed glasses.  I was pretty darn nearsighted and have an astigmatism in both eyes.  I did well in school, but only because I sat in the front row in every class I had and I could see fine up close.

I remember the ride home vividly because I was fascinated that I could see individual leaves on trees and street signs.  It also explains why I was so freaking clumsy as a child.  On another note, it wasn't noticed until I was an adult that I have a lazy eye.  I still don't know how that could have have gone unnoticed by multiple doctors.
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Post by: audhs on May 27, 2013, 07:58:32 PM
My oldest is 8 and and has worn glasses since she was 3. I started questioning weather or no she needed them at two because she kept saying her eyes hurt.  After getting her first pair of glasses she went from being scared to ride a bike, climb to the top of the slide or play structure and tripping over what seemed like nothing to being almost fearless and fairly graceful in less than a week.

I still have a little mommy guilt for not taking her for an eye exam earlier .
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Post by: Julian on May 28, 2013, 08:18:39 PM
Housemate had cataract surgery - first eye just over two weeks ago, second eye last weekend.  Since the first lot of surgery she wasn't allowed to wear her glasses (the surgeon said she had to get used to and strengthen the eye) and her distance vision was pretty good, but the reading vision wasn't.

Anyway, she's a very keen cardmaker, and while she was 'offline', she decided to fix up some gizmos - they're like a rubber stamp with a velcro base for holding textured pads.  The velcro kept coming off, so she decided to glue it on.

I knew nothing of this till she mentioned, while we were on our way out somewhere, that she'd used one of the tubes of superglue I had in the multipack near the TV, but it hadn't worked and the velcro kept coming off anyway.  I racked my brain, but could honestly not recall having any superglue in the house, much less a multipack near the TV.

I sort of forgot all about it until a couple of days later, when she picked up the pack of 'superglue' to show me what she'd used.  Yeah, no wonder it didn't stick...  it was the dogs' pack of Advantage flea treatment. 

I must admit I laughed like a loon, even though I was a tad annoyed at the waste of the flea treatment.  That stuff is expensive...
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Post by: gramma dishes on May 28, 2013, 08:22:01 PM
^^^   Well, at least the velcro thingy won't have fleas!!   :)
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Post by: Julian on May 28, 2013, 09:26:51 PM
That's what I said to her!   ;D
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Post by: turtleIScream on June 02, 2013, 05:36:20 PM
Because there is no more Brain Hurt thread....  A recent conversation with my ILs has left me wondering, "Who does that?!?"  :o

About 2 weeks ago, my MIL, a kindergarten teacher, announced she would be retiring at the end of this school year. She turned 65 this year, and has been wistfully talking about retiring for the last 5 years, so this wasn't completely unexpected. She told her principal Wednesday night, and Thursday was her last day. My husband got a text Thursday from his dad, asking about a financial planner, because they really need to figure out their finances now that Mom (the primary breadwinner) is no longer working.
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Post by: Thipu1 on June 02, 2013, 06:12:40 PM
Because there is no more Brain Hurt thread....  A recent conversation with my ILs has left me wondering, "Who does that?!?"  :o

About 2 weeks ago, my MIL, a kindergarten teacher, announced she would be retiring at the end of this school year. She turned 65 this year, and has been wistfully talking about retiring for the last 5 years, so this wasn't completely unexpected. She told her principal Wednesday night, and Thursday was her last day. My husband got a text Thursday from his dad, asking about a financial planner, because they really need to figure out their finances now that Mom (the primary breadwinner) is no longer working.

That is truly frightening. 

Mr. Thipu and I engaged a financial planner a good five years before our retirement.  That gave us time to enrich the plans we already had in place and consider others.  It's worked out well for us.

Trying to hit the ground running like your ILs is like skydiving with no auxiliary chute.   

I wish them all the luck in the world but, at this stage, it ain't gonna be easy. 
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Post by: kherbert05 on June 02, 2013, 06:58:24 PM
I was in 8th grade before anyone figured out I had problems seeing. To me the difference was when I looked at something near then something far with it wasn't like looking through a 35 mm camera and adjusting the focus. Dad loved that description and so did the doctors.


At the eye exam the student doctors figured out I should be more right than left sided. I was part of a medical study for a year. I received physical therapy for my motor skill problems and that helped. They didn't diagnose my dyslexia or dysgraphia then - in part because I was reading on a university level.


Finally got the LD diagnoses in University.


In the meantime I had gone through a bunch of different diagnoses for my eyes. Sometimes the glasses helped sometimes they hurt. I was even fired by one doctor for wasting his time. Then I went to my cousin's eye doctor. Cousin has severe problems with her eyes. The doctor looked at my records, my glasses. Flushed my eyes with saline and said the real problem was my allergy medication. It changes through the seasons depending on what is blooming in Houston. The medication was causing dyhdration and that changes the shape of your eyes. I make sure to drink plenty of water, use saline drops once a day most of the year. More often if certain things are blooming. I'm back to a mild script for my eyes.
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Post by: kareng57 on June 02, 2013, 10:09:51 PM
Because there is no more Brain Hurt thread....  A recent conversation with my ILs has left me wondering, "Who does that?!?"  :o

About 2 weeks ago, my MIL, a kindergarten teacher, announced she would be retiring at the end of this school year. She turned 65 this year, and has been wistfully talking about retiring for the last 5 years, so this wasn't completely unexpected. She told her principal Wednesday night, and Thursday was her last day. My husband got a text Thursday from his dad, asking about a financial planner, because they really need to figure out their finances now that Mom (the primary breadwinner) is no longer working.


However - do you know that they're really in dire straits?  Maybe they just want to figure out retirement-planning and do have some sort of savings-cushion.

If it's the latter, ideally they should have started years ago, but better late than never.
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Post by: turtleIScream on June 02, 2013, 10:39:22 PM
Because there is no more Brain Hurt thread....  A recent conversation with my ILs has left me wondering, "Who does that?!?"  :o

About 2 weeks ago, my MIL, a kindergarten teacher, announced she would be retiring at the end of this school year. She turned 65 this year, and has been wistfully talking about retiring for the last 5 years, so this wasn't completely unexpected. She told her principal Wednesday night, and Thursday was her last day. My husband got a text Thursday from his dad, asking about a financial planner, because they really need to figure out their finances now that Mom (the primary breadwinner) is no longer working.


However - do you know that they're really in dire straits?  Maybe they just want to figure out retirement-planning and do have some sort of savings-cushion.

If it's the latter, ideally they should have started years ago, but better late than never.

Dire straits? No. Financially ready for retirement? No. Due to my husband's line of work, he is privy to certain details relevant to MIL's salary/benefits/pension, and we know she is not fully vested. We also know they still have some personal debt and little savings. And their significant investment is in a timeshare package.

My step-dad had a serious health scare 5 years ago, and we started asking our parents some of the hard questions about long-term financial planning. IL's answers at the time worried us, and we suggested then they might want to meet with a financial planner, and gave them some names of people we know and trust. It just never occurred to us that two adults in their mid-60s would not have followed through. So, yes, better late than never, I suppose, but still mind-boggling.
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Post by: Thipu1 on June 10, 2013, 10:53:48 AM
Now for something completely different...

... Binky Sears.

We recently visited MIL in New Hampshire and saw a bumper sticker with the name. No one in the car knew what it meant.   We did a little research on-line and found that Binky Sears is a sort of New Hampshire folk figure.  He's a hired hand who's lazy and thought to be stupid but he always gets the best of people who are thought to be his betters.

Does anyone have any Binky Sears stories to share?
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Post by: Baxter on June 17, 2013, 01:34:15 AM
My MIL rang us yesterday, fishing for an invite to dinner.  She suggested that we also invite her daughter (my SIL) and her new boyfriend.  I promptly issued the dinner invitation for next weekend and said I will see her then.  After I hung up the phone I turned to my husband and told him that his mother is coming for dinner and asked if he could ring his sister and ask her too.

Whilst we were talking, the phone rang.  It was MIL again, yelling at my husband as she had just spoken to SIL and she knew nothing about the dinner.  MIL demanded to know what was going on and why were we snubbing SIL.

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Post by: jedikaiti on June 17, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
My MIL rang us yesterday, fishing for an invite to dinner.  She suggested that we also invite her daughter (my SIL) and her new boyfriend.  I promptly issued the dinner invitation for next weekend and said I will see her then.  After I hung up the phone I turned to my husband and told him that his mother is coming for dinner and asked if he could ring his sister and ask her too.

Whilst we were talking, the phone rang.  It was MIL again, yelling at my husband as she had just spoken to SIL and she knew nothing about the dinner.  MIL demanded to know what was going on and why were we snubbing SIL.

And with that, the whole dinner got cancelled.
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Post by: Minmom3 on June 17, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
My MIL rang us yesterday, fishing for an invite to dinner.  She suggested that we also invite her daughter (my SIL) and her new boyfriend.  I promptly issued the dinner invitation for next weekend and said I will see her then.  After I hung up the phone I turned to my husband and told him that his mother is coming for dinner and asked if he could ring his sister and ask her too.

Whilst we were talking, the phone rang.  It was MIL again, yelling at my husband as she had just spoken to SIL and she knew nothing about the dinner.  MIL demanded to know what was going on and why were we snubbing SIL.

Does your MIL get all her exercise jumping to conclusions???
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Post by: Baxter on June 18, 2013, 12:02:07 AM
^^
Oh that made me laugh Minmom3, thank-you.
Jedikaiti, yes the dinner is now on hold.

My MIL has "episodes" where she acts like an odd duck.  At other times she is a perfectly lovely person - its like a mystery MIL, I never know who I'm going to get.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on June 18, 2013, 02:11:11 PM
For the longest time, anytime I saw the Hunger Games trailers I thought Effie Trinket was played by Bette Midler.  It was just the way she looked, talked and dressed.  Yeah, I know, the actress looks younger than Ms. Midler but like I said, she just reminded me so much of her.

I saw the movie and frankly she still reminds me of her.

The other day we saw the trailer for Catching Fire and there's a moment where I had to remind myself, again, that it is not Bette Midler but rather Elizabeth Banks.  I think it's the hair, makeup and clothing, in addition to just the way she talks and her mannerisms.
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Post by: GreenHall on June 21, 2013, 08:07:23 AM
Not sure where this would go, but billboard misspellings.

The local doc in a box had one expressing their sympathy to the "family's" in Oklahoma.

Last night on my way home, the mall was inventing me in to update my "wardbrode"

And one more, which was obviously intentional and probably part of an ad campaign that was paid for.  I don't remember if it was a technical school, or community college, but the billboard urged passers-by to consider ("hire")* education.   Well, at least o. That one they did catch my Attention....

*in my memory at least, they had hire in quotes on the billboard.
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Post by: jedikaiti on June 21, 2013, 12:28:36 PM
Major pet peeve - people who use an "'s" to pluralize EVERYTHING. Did they not pay attention in grade school? Do they not proofread?

It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
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Post by: Minmom3 on June 21, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
For the longest time, anytime I saw the Hunger Games trailers I thought Effie Trinket was played by Bette Midler.  It was just the way she looked, talked and dressed.  Yeah, I know, the actress looks younger than Ms. Midler but like I said, she just reminded me so much of her.

I saw the movie and frankly she still reminds me of her.

The other day we saw the trailer for Catching Fire and there's a moment where I had to remind myself, again, that it is not Bette Midler but rather Elizabeth Banks.  I think it's the hair, makeup and clothing, in addition to just the way she talks and her mannerisms.

Effie Trinket looks a LOT like the character Bette Midler played in the Witches of Eastwick (if I'm remembering correctly).
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Post by: Julian on June 22, 2013, 07:54:39 PM
For the longest time, anytime I saw the Hunger Games trailers I thought Effie Trinket was played by Bette Midler.  It was just the way she looked, talked and dressed.  Yeah, I know, the actress looks younger than Ms. Midler but like I said, she just reminded me so much of her.

I saw the movie and frankly she still reminds me of her.

The other day we saw the trailer for Catching Fire and there's a moment where I had to remind myself, again, that it is not Bette Midler but rather Elizabeth Banks.  I think it's the hair, makeup and clothing, in addition to just the way she talks and her mannerisms.

Effie Trinket looks a LOT like the character Bette Midler played in the Witches of Eastwick (if I'm remembering correctly).

You may be thinking of Hocus Pocus.  I don't think Bette was in Witches of Eastwick. 
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Post by: Minmom3 on June 22, 2013, 11:57:26 PM
Entirely possible.  I just remember some movie or other where Midler's makeup looked very much like Effie Trinket's makeup.
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Post by: jpcher on June 23, 2013, 11:40:21 AM
Yes, that is Hocus Pocus and Bette Middler's makeup does make her look like Effie Trinket (except for the teeth)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120514235749/thehungergames/images/b/be/Effie_promo_new.png&imgrefurl=http://thehungergames.wikia.com/wiki/Effie_Trinket&h=600&w=450&sz=464&tbnid=nieorudjdB-k9M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__HJNNmMMCujFMZRmPymSGDn3DH0Y=&docid=pZZrpbxCQaIy0M&sa=X&ei=ciTHUdjAIqq3ygHawoDgBQ&ved=0CDkQ9QEwAQ&dur=13



http://thisrecording.com/today/2010/10/31/in-which-i-had-to-wait-300-years-for-a-virgin-to-light-a-can.html
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Post by: AngelicGamer on June 25, 2013, 04:22:03 PM
Mom21's thread about her neighbors got me thinking about something.

How often should you update your wireless password?  Or do you just set it for one thing and just leave it?
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Post by: jedikaiti on June 25, 2013, 04:34:59 PM
I set and leave unless I have reason to believe it may have been compromised.
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Post by: zyrs on July 03, 2013, 02:58:51 PM
Some neighbor children have reached the shrieky "I'm being kidnapped or have broken a bone" stage.  Unfortunately it's for just running around and playing normally.

It's sad, but if they were being kidnapped or were seriously injured, I wouldn't be able to tell.  They sound like that from the time they go outside til the time they go inside.

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Post by: Snooks on July 03, 2013, 03:10:17 PM
Presumably they fall into the "worry if they're silent" category of children.
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Post by: zyrs on July 03, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
I hope so.  It doesn't help that one of the shriekers sounds like my youngest sister at that age and she only shrieked if she was hurt.  I'll tell you, my heart did a flip flop when I heard it the first time.
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Post by: TootsNYC on July 03, 2013, 06:17:41 PM
  What we have is double insurance costs,

I've had jobs at which my insurance premiums were $0 for a single person and quite a bit higher for a married person or family.
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Post by: VorFemme on July 03, 2013, 09:20:09 PM
I was at a store today - little girl of uncertain age following around her mother & grandmother (based on what she screamed out when they were out of her sight).  Nothing stopped her from turning right when they turned left - but the moment she realized that they were out of HER sight - she did that high pitched thing that very young kids do....the one that has your ears wanting to bleed....

At the register, she was screeching again - Mom & Grandma were MEAN and didn't let her wander around any more and only bought her ONE toy and.....

I'm wondering if I need to start shopping with ear plugs in my purse in case of small children......

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Post by: AngelicGamer on July 03, 2013, 10:19:48 PM
I was at a store today - little girl of uncertain age following around her mother & grandmother (based on what she screamed out when they were out of her sight).  Nothing stopped her from turning right when they turned left - but the moment she realized that they were out of HER sight - she did that high pitched thing that very young kids do....the one that has your ears wanting to bleed....

At the register, she was screeching again - Mom & Grandma were MEAN and didn't let her wander around any more and only bought her ONE toy and.....

I'm wondering if I need to start shopping with ear plugs in my purse in case of small children......

Children like that are the reason that I always have my noise canceling headphones and either my phone or iPod with me.  Those screechings will start a migraine.  If I was doing that as a kid, I'd be pulled out of the store, have a stern talking to, and then time out in my room with all the books / Nintendo and Sega taken out.
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Post by: AnnaJ on July 05, 2013, 12:26:58 AM
We've had a couple of bridezilla-level wedding gift meltdown threads lately, and one of the side issues that always gets discussed is 'cover your plate' versus other ways of deciding on a gift for a couple...so, how do you gift?

I tend to give more expensive gifts - I still do 'stuff' rather than cash - to people who are close to me, less expensive to others.
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Post by: WillyNilly on July 05, 2013, 08:22:16 AM
I always give money.
I always find it curious to read about physical items gifts at weddings, or to see big tables of them in movies. I have never seen anyone, ever bring a boxed gift to a wedding (and not only have I been to about a dozen weddings as a guest, but I was a banquet waitress for a few years and worked hundreds of weddings).

For my own wedding, I want to say we got about 65/35 money to gifts.
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Post by: Dazi on July 05, 2013, 11:03:18 AM
I was thinking about taking a beginner sewing class at Joann's.  Has anyone taken any of their classes?  Was is worth it?

I'd really like to learn to sew on a machine.  Right now, I can do very basic repairs by hand (buttons, ripped out seams, hemming pants).  Sometimes I find it difficult to learn applied skills from a book due to being dyslexic.  I really need to watch, then do a few times to really "get" it.

I do know a very competent person that could teach me, but I know from experience that their teaching style clashes with my learning style.  We both end up getting aggravated.
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Post by: MariaE on July 05, 2013, 01:12:46 PM
I always give money.
I always find it curious to read about physical items gifts at weddings, or to see big tables of them in movies. I have never seen anyone, ever bring a boxed gift to a wedding (and not only have I been to about a dozen weddings as a guest, but I was a banquet waitress for a few years and worked hundreds of weddings).

For my own wedding, I want to say we got about 65/35 money to gifts.

On the other hand, to a Dane the concept of mailing the wedding gift to the HC (especially before the wedding) is totally foreign. You'd only ever do that if you didn't attend the wedding and lived too far away for handing it over in person to be practical.
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Post by: Hmmmmm on July 05, 2013, 03:18:10 PM
I always give money.
I always find it curious to read about physical items gifts at weddings, or to see big tables of them in movies. I have never seen anyone, ever bring a boxed gift to a wedding (and not only have I been to about a dozen weddings as a guest, but I was a banquet waitress for a few years and worked hundreds of weddings).

For my own wedding, I want to say we got about 65/35 money to gifts.

On the other hand, to a Dane the concept of mailing the wedding gift to the HC (especially before the wedding) is totally foreign. You'd only ever do that if you didn't attend the wedding and lived too far away for handing it over in person to be practical.

And growing up, gifts were NEVER brought to the reception. When one of my older sisters was marrying in another state, (late 70s) the reception hall asked how she wanted the gift table set. Neither she or my mother understood what they were asking. The wedding gift wasn't tied in anyway to wedding attendance.
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Post by: jpcher on July 05, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
I was thinking about taking a beginner sewing class at Joann's.  Has anyone taken any of their classes?  Was is worth it?

I'd really like to learn to sew on a machine.  Right now, I can do very basic repairs by hand (buttons, ripped out seams, hemming pants).  Sometimes I find it difficult to learn applied skills from a book due to being dyslexic.  I really need to watch, then do a few times to really "get" it.

I do know a very competent person that could teach me, but I know from experience that their teaching style clashes with my learning style.  We both end up getting aggravated.

I've never been to a class at Joann's but they are a reputable store and I have heard good things about the classes . . . many years ago a couple of friends of mine went to the classes together. They had a great time. One is still a simple sewer (skirts and easy patterns once in a while) the other friend's machine is a dust collector.

The worth of the classes is up to you . . . ask them before signing up how many people will be in the class (teacher/student ratio), explain that you are a visual learner and would the teachers be able to accommodate this type of instruction.
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Post by: Dazi on July 05, 2013, 04:38:59 PM
I was thinking about taking a beginner sewing class at Joann's.  Has anyone taken any of their classes?  Was is worth it?

I'd really like to learn to sew on a machine.  Right now, I can do very basic repairs by hand (buttons, ripped out seams, hemming pants).  Sometimes I find it difficult to learn applied skills from a book due to being dyslexic.  I really need to watch, then do a few times to really "get" it.

I do know a very competent person that could teach me, but I know from experience that their teaching style clashes with my learning style.  We both end up getting aggravated.

I've never been to a class at Joann's but they are a reputable store and I have heard good things about the classes . . . many years ago a couple of friends of mine went to the classes together. They had a great time. One is still a simple sewer (skirts and easy patterns once in a while) the other friend's machine is a dust collector.

The worth of the classes is up to you . . . ask them before signing up how many people will be in the class (teacher/student ratio), explain that you are a visual learner and would the teachers be able to accommodate this type of instruction.


Turned out to be a moot point.  The closest place to receive beginner classes is 50 miles away.  I'm not willing to travel that far.  I've had pretty good results with youtube tutorials, so that's where I'll start.  It's how I finally learned to knit after much head banging.
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Post by: Sharnita on July 05, 2013, 06:13:20 PM
I always give money.
I always find it curious to read about physical items gifts at weddings, or to see big tables of them in movies. I have never seen anyone, ever bring a boxed gift to a wedding (and not only have I been to about a dozen weddings as a guest, but I was a banquet waitress for a few years and worked hundreds of weddings).

For my own wedding, I want to say we got about 65/35 money to gifts.

On the other hand, to a Dane the concept of mailing the wedding gift to the HC (especially before the wedding) is totally foreign. You'd only ever do that if you didn't attend the wedding and lived too far away for handing it over in person to be practical.

And growing up, gifts were NEVER brought to the reception. When one of my older sisters was marrying in another state, (late 70s) the reception hall asked how she wanted the gift table set. Neither she or my mother understood what they were asking. The wedding gift wasn't tied in anyway to wedding attendance.

OTOH, I have seen gifts brought to weddings.  In the US nothing is true across the board.  My guess is that even in the same state or even city things might differ based on ethnic, religious or generational trends.
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Post by: dawnfire on July 05, 2013, 07:03:23 PM
I know there are different sign languages in different countries (Auslan in Australia and American sign in America). Is there an international sign language?
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Post by: kareng57 on July 05, 2013, 10:36:25 PM
I always give money.
I always find it curious to read about physical items gifts at weddings, or to see big tables of them in movies. I have never seen anyone, ever bring a boxed gift to a wedding (and not only have I been to about a dozen weddings as a guest, but I was a banquet waitress for a few years and worked hundreds of weddings).

For my own wedding, I want to say we got about 65/35 money to gifts.

On the other hand, to a Dane the concept of mailing the wedding gift to the HC (especially before the wedding) is totally foreign. You'd only ever do that if you didn't attend the wedding and lived too far away for handing it over in person to be practical.

And growing up, gifts were NEVER brought to the reception. When one of my older sisters was marrying in another state, (late 70s) the reception hall asked how she wanted the gift table set. Neither she or my mother understood what they were asking. The wedding gift wasn't tied in anyway to wedding attendance.

OTOH, I have seen gifts brought to weddings.  In the US nothing is true across the board.  My guess is that even in the same state or even city things might differ based on ethnic, religious or generational trends.


I know.  I've seen assertions on this board that a "gift table" is never correct, especially at Southern weddings - but I've seen them on episodes of Four Weddings - Florida.  (No, I'm not saying that they are etiquette experts, but more a reflection on what might have become customary).

I agree that many folks think that, just because something has never been done in their personal experience, it means it's universally incorrect.  Quite often, customs just have to change with the times.  Fifty or so years ago, the bride or her mother was generally home during the day to receive gifts (additionally, many department stores offered delivery during that era).  That just does not happen, these days.
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Post by: Thipu1 on July 06, 2013, 08:11:49 AM
I always give money.
I always find it curious to read about physical items gifts at weddings, or to see big tables of them in movies. I have never seen anyone, ever bring a boxed gift to a wedding (and not only have I been to about a dozen weddings as a guest, but I was a banquet waitress for a few years and worked hundreds of weddings).

For my own wedding, I want to say we got about 65/35 money to gifts.

On the other hand, to a Dane the concept of mailing the wedding gift to the HC (especially
before the wedding) is totally foreign. You'd only ever do that if you didn't attend the wedding and lived too far away for handing it over in person to be practical.

When I was growing up, Wedding gifts were always sent or hand delivered to the home of the Bride or her parents before the ceremony. At the Weddings My family attended, no one lived very far away so this was easy to do.  It also made it possible for the Bride to get most of her TYs taken care of before the Big Day. 

The only exception I remember were the Weddings of family friends who were Italian.  At these receptions, the Bride often had a draw-string purse made to match her dress.  This was a lady-like way to collect the checks that guests often gave as gifts. 

These Weddings also often served red sauce pasta.  The Bride and the Bridesmaids wore bibs made to match their dresses for the pasta course.  As a child, I thought that was the neatest idea. 

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Post by: jpcher on July 06, 2013, 12:40:41 PM
I know there are different sign languages in different countries (Auslan in Australia and American sign in America). Is there an international sign language?

I never thought of this before. Of course I know that there are different languages out there, but for some reason I thought that sign language was universal. I thought that by knowing a little bit of ASL I would be able to sign to deaf people everywhere. How ignorant am I? :-[




Here's some info that I found:

http://www.deaflinx.com/ASL/gestuno.html

http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-layout/gestuno.htm
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Post by: Layla Miller on July 08, 2013, 02:39:07 PM
I was reading the thread about swimming lessons for kids and realized that while I really want to start my daughter (11 months old) learning to swim as soon as possible, the local wellness center's youngest swim lesson class is three years old.  While I intend to get her into lessons when she's old enough, I was thinking I could start teaching her some very basic stuff next year on my own.  Has anyone here done something like that with a toddler?  Can you give me some tips?
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Post by: jedikaiti on July 08, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
Any other places you could go? Way back when, my Mom took me to a Water Babies class at the local Y well before I was 3.
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Post by: kherbert05 on July 08, 2013, 03:41:41 PM
I was reading the thread about swimming lessons for kids and realized that while I really want to start my daughter (11 months old) learning to swim as soon as possible, the local wellness center's youngest swim lesson class is three years old.  While I intend to get her into lessons when she's old enough, I was thinking I could start teaching her some very basic stuff next year on my own.  Has anyone here done something like that with a toddler?  Can you give me some tips?
The best thing you can do at this age is make sure she is comfortable in the water.

Set the rules now. When Loren and Brett were that age the life jacket (really US Coast Guard approved life Jacket) was just part of the swim suit. You were going swimming you put on the suit then the jacket.

We never "taught" them to swim at a young age . We played in the water with them, they watched us and copied us. They blew bubbles because it was funny. They figured out how to dog paddle, dive for toys, swim under water.

They were completely comfortable in the water, underwater when they started formal lessons at 3. The pool was fun and safe place. The place loren took rearranged the teachers and kids because most of the 3 or 4 yo were afraid to put their faces in the water. Loren and a couple of kids were bugging the teachers to dive for rings, and actually swim so they made an advance class and put them in it. (Each teacher only had 3 kids but there were 5 teachers working with 3 and 4 yo during that time slot)

Now they are 8 and 5 - both fish. 
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Post by: Hmmmmm on July 08, 2013, 03:51:18 PM
I was reading the thread about swimming lessons for kids and realized that while I really want to start my daughter (11 months old) learning to swim as soon as possible, the local wellness center's youngest swim lesson class is three years old.  While I intend to get her into lessons when she's old enough, I was thinking I could start teaching her some very basic stuff next year on my own.  Has anyone here done something like that with a toddler?  Can you give me some tips?

I think it depends on your goal. We had my DD in the water at around  8 months (Sept bday, had to wait till summer) and my son at about 5 months (Feb bday). Our goal was to give them a chance to become accustomed to the water and just have fun. I wasn't trying to "pool proof" them as we didn't have a pool.

We had something very similar to this that my DD loved.
http://www.yoyo.com/p/swimways-baby-spring-float-16590?site=CA&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc_Y&utm_term=ZW-003&utm_campaign=Google&CAWELAID=1324487116&utm_content=pla&ci_sku=ZW-003&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword} (http://www.yoyo.com/p/swimways-baby-spring-float-16590?site=CA&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc_Y&utm_term=ZW-003&utm_campaign=Google&CAWELAID=1324487116&utm_content=pla&ci_sku=ZW-003&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword})
The also liked having their hands held and pulled through the water face down but out of the water. DD and DS also both liked being tossed from one of us to the other and didn't mind going under a little bit.
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Post by: cwm on July 08, 2013, 07:02:40 PM
Okay, I don't know where else to put this, but I just got the poopaditties scared out of me!

See, I live in a second floor apartment. The front door is NEAR my bedroom window, but not AT it. And I definitely heard something scratching AT my bedroom window.

I pulled back my blinds, and there was this squirrel, holding on to the corner of the frame of the window, giving me the most incredulous look, like how dare I invade his personal time and space. I even knocked on the window to get him to move along his way and stop that scratching sound, and he just kept staring at me and slowly made his way across the top of the window frame.

Seriously, squirrel, what was SO fantastic about my window that you had to come DOWN from the tree to crawl across it to get back UP to the roof instead of just climb across the roof?
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Post by: Layla Miller on July 08, 2013, 08:15:36 PM
Oh, good.  DH and I have been taking DD to the pool from time to time, and doing pretty much what's been recommended here, so I'm happy to see we're on the right track!  For now I think I'll just keep doing that, and see how things go.  The wellness center is the only place in town that has a pool (small town), so I don't think I'm likely to find alternatives, but I want to give her as much of an advantage as I can until she can take the actual lessons.  Thanks, everyone!
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Post by: Elisabunny on July 08, 2013, 10:08:30 PM
Why not ask them if they ever offer parent & baby classes?  Most places do, because parents want the same thing you do.
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Post by: dawnfire on July 09, 2013, 12:04:51 AM
Why not ask them if they ever offer parent & baby classes?  Most places do, because parents want the same thing you do.

if they get enough inquiries they might consider it
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Post by: Layla Miller on July 09, 2013, 10:17:59 AM
Why not ask them if they ever offer parent & baby classes?  Most places do, because parents want the same thing you do.

...I didn't even think of asking.  I just looked up the list of classes online, saw the youngest group was 3-4 years, and didn't think anything further about it.  I'll give them a call later today and see what I can find out!  Thanks for the idea.  :)
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Post by: carol1412 on July 09, 2013, 02:44:50 PM
I was thinking about taking a beginner sewing class at Joann's.  Has anyone taken any of their classes?  Was is worth it?

I'd really like to learn to sew on a machine.  Right now, I can do very basic repairs by hand (buttons, ripped out seams, hemming pants).  Sometimes I find it difficult to learn applied skills from a book due to being dyslexic.  I really need to watch, then do a few times to really "get" it.

I do know a very competent person that could teach me, but I know from experience that their teaching style clashes with my learning style.  We both end up getting aggravated.

I've never been to a class at Joann's but they are a reputable store and I have heard good things about the classes . . . many years ago a couple of friends of mine went to the classes together. They had a great time. One is still a simple sewer (skirts and easy patterns once in a while) the other friend's machine is a dust collector.

The worth of the classes is up to you . . . ask them before signing up how many people will be in the class (teacher/student ratio), explain that you are a visual learner and would the teachers be able to accommodate this type of instruction.


Turned out to be a moot point.  The closest place to receive beginner classes is 50 miles away.  I'm not willing to travel that far.  I've had pretty good results with youtube tutorials, so that's where I'll start.  It's how I finally learned to knit after much head banging.

If you have a Jo-Anns closer to you, ask them if they can recommend anyone for personal sewing lessons. They usually have a list of people that do alterations or quilting. Maybe one of them would be interested in giving personal classes.
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Post by: Dazi on July 09, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
I was thinking about taking a beginner sewing class at Joann's.  Has anyone taken any of their classes?  Was is worth it?

I'd really like to learn to sew on a machine.  Right now, I can do very basic repairs by hand (buttons, ripped out seams, hemming pants).  Sometimes I find it difficult to learn applied skills from a book due to being dyslexic.  I really need to watch, then do a few times to really "get" it.

I do know a very competent person that could teach me, but I know from experience that their teaching style clashes with my learning style.  We both end up getting aggravated.

I've never been to a class at Joann's but they are a reputable store and I have heard good things about the classes . . . many years ago a couple of friends of mine went to the classes together. They had a great time. One is still a simple sewer (skirts and easy patterns once in a while) the other friend's machine is a dust collector.

The worth of the classes is up to you . . . ask them before signing up how many people will be in the class (teacher/student ratio), explain that you are a visual learner and would the teachers be able to accommodate this type of instruction.


Turned out to be a moot point.  The closest place to receive beginner classes is 50 miles away.  I'm not willing to travel that far.  I've had pretty good results with youtube tutorials, so that's where I'll start.  It's how I finally learned to knit after much head banging.

If you have a Jo-Anns closer to you, ask them if they can recommend anyone for personal sewing lessons. They usually have a list of people that do alterations or quilting. Maybe one of them would be interested in giving personal classes.

I actually found someone who is willing to give lessons, yeah! Also, she told me there is a very nice privately owned fabric and craft store like 1/2 mile from my home that has project classes available (purses,dresses, beginner quilting, etc). So HA! Joann's.
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Post by: Dazi on July 17, 2013, 08:07:34 PM
Amusing story about one of my dearest friends that is just really unobservant...

We were doing some kind of project and some discovery type show was on in the background.  My friend ,Kate, comments something along the lines of it would be really interesting to see that exhibit they are talking about, it's a shame I'll never see it.

I was really confused by her comment as the exhibit in question was at our local museum that is probably less than a mile from my home.  Kate thought I had lost my marbles because she's never seen a museum here...the one she has driven by twice a day, everyday for the last ten years.

So, I shuffled her off to my car and drove her butt over to the non existant museum and we had a grand time.  I still laugh about it because I don't know how anyone could miss the huge bacon-fed knave sign for it.  The extra funny part was that I had almost the exact conversation with my DH and my mother over the same exhibit a few days later. Both responded "There's a museum here?  I've never seen it".  <sigh>
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Post by: Julian on July 18, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
Dazi - your story reminds me of a trip I took with my ex some years ago.

We were both on motorcycles, and one evening stopped at a town called Glen Innes in NSW.  This town is in an area known as the Granite Belt, and is well known for the large and numerous rocks around town.

Well, we made our booking for a cabin at the local caravan park, and slowly followed the manager to the unit - she walking, us riding slowly behind her.

As we got closer, I noticed a Rock.  Yes, it deserves a capital letter - it was about three times larger than the cabin, and right.next.to.it.  So I called out to Ex, "Watch out for the rock!"  She replied "What rock?"   ???

For sometime afterwards, 'What rock?' became a by-word for the flagrantly obvious.

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Post by: Bijou on July 29, 2013, 09:49:25 PM
Grrrrrr!
We went big shopping today and among our purchases were three bunches of broccolini (on sale...I couldn't believe it!).
When we got into the car I noticed they had only charged us for two bunches.  So, back into the store we went to pay for the extra one.  The clerk said that he would just give it to us since we are such good customers.   :)  We thanked him and went back out to the car, which we had locked.  There, dangling in the ignition were our keys.   >:(  Do we have an extra?  No!  Darn.  a guy getting out of his car next to us noticed us standing there and saw our keys in the ignition.  He said, "I see your keys are safely locked inside your car.   >:D"  Very funny! 
Luckily, my son was home and was able to bring out our extra set.    :P  But who feels like making Stir fry after that.  Not us.  Wish the Chinese restaurant were open so we could go out to dinner.
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Post by: Bijou on July 31, 2013, 12:12:03 PM
I like a little carbs with breakfast but don't care to use much in the way of wheat products, like bread.  So, this morning I took a half cup of no salt added canned great northern beans that I had in the fridge, drained and rinsed them then put a little oil in the skillet and sauteed them up with some garlic powder and paprika.  Really good addition to breakfast!
If anyone else does creative things with foods it would be fun to hear.
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Post by: Redwing on July 31, 2013, 01:12:24 PM
I hope this is the right place for this question. 

I've been wanting to take horseback riding lessons, but know absolutely nothing about what they should cost and what the lessons should consist of.  I know E-hell has horse lovers out there and am hoping someone can help me out.  If it's pertinent, I live about 40 miles northwest of Chicago.  I have no experience whatsoever.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 05, 2013, 06:40:17 PM
DH and I have been watching Star Trek Voyager recently and when the actress who played Captain Janeway seemed very familiar (I'd been watching "Orange is the New Black") I looked up the actress on IMDB and found out she was from Dubuque, Iowa. 

It kinda made me chuckle since Captain Kirk was from Iowa as well.  (the character, I don't know about William Shatner, himself)
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Post by: hobish on August 05, 2013, 06:49:40 PM
I hope this is the right place for this question. 

I've been wanting to take horseback riding lessons, but know absolutely nothing about what they should cost and what the lessons should consist of.  I know E-hell has horse lovers out there and am hoping someone can help me out.  If it's pertinent, I live about 40 miles northwest of Chicago.  I have no experience whatsoever.

The place I go in New Jersey charges $30 for an hour ride, and a little more for lessons with the amount varying. I have seen them for as little as $25 for an hour lesson but not in a while, and that is usually someone just starting out. Beginner lessons are actually cheaper than advanced ones, so that is good for you :) What they should consist of really depends on what you want out of it. I would never go to someone who didn't first teach the basics of ground safety and how to put on and take care of tack and that sort of thing; but someone else on here thought that was awful - you pay people to do that for you, not learn how to do it yourself. Opinions really vary. I am not sure of pricing in your area, although I would imagine the Chicago area would probably be a little more expensive than where I am.

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Post by: dawnfire on August 05, 2013, 07:53:01 PM
DH and I have been watching Star Trek Voyager recently and when the actress who played Captain Janeway seemed very familiar (I'd been watching "Orange is the New Black") I looked up the actress on IMDB and found out she was from Dubuque, Iowa. 

It kinda made me chuckle since Captain Kirk was from Iowa as well.  (the character, I don't know about William Shatner, himself)

William Shatner is Canadian.
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Post by: gramma dishes on August 05, 2013, 08:06:35 PM
I hope this is the right place for this question. 

I've been wanting to take horseback riding lessons, but know absolutely nothing about what they should cost and what the lessons should consist of.  I know E-hell has horse lovers out there and am hoping someone can help me out.  If it's pertinent, I live about 40 miles northwest of Chicago.  I have no experience whatsoever.

I live southwest of Chicago and know there are at least a couple out my way.  I think if you just type in "horseback riding lessons Chicago" you'll get some possibilities and can pick some which may be near you.  Then I'd just call any that interested me and ask about pricing and what's included in their 'adult beginner' lessons.

I haven't ridden a horse in decades, so I can't help you with that part of your question.  I have no idea what is, or should be, taught.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 05, 2013, 08:09:21 PM
DH and I have been watching Star Trek Voyager recently and when the actress who played Captain Janeway seemed very familiar (I'd been watching "Orange is the New Black") I looked up the actress on IMDB and found out she was from Dubuque, Iowa. 

It kinda made me chuckle since Captain Kirk was from Iowa as well.  (the character, I don't know about William Shatner, himself)

William Shatner is Canadian.

Ah, okay.  :) 
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Post by: Bijou on August 06, 2013, 02:46:41 PM
Sometimes I feel so darned bossy! 
The cat got sick on her little bed so we have to wash the slip cover.  My hands are giving me trouble so I asked my husband to do it.  I told him to use a little plastic pan and laundry soap, instead of the wash machine, and then stood there overseeing the process.  I caught myself though and told him, "I'm going into the other room so I don't start bossing you around."  Probably much to his relief. 
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Post by: bopper on August 06, 2013, 03:48:19 PM
I hate those quarter carts.  I rarely have change on me.  I finally started keeping a quarter in the cup holder in my car.  And then I usually have to go back to the car to get it because I forgot.

On the other hand, I am also one of those people who go around collecting the loose carts for the quarter.   :P

In Germany all the grocery stores have those types of carts...you can buy a little token that goes on your key ring that is the same size a one euro coin that they use for the carts.
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Post by: bopper on August 06, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
I like a little carbs with breakfast but don't care to use much in the way of wheat products, like bread.  So, this morning I took a half cup of no salt added canned great northern beans that I had in the fridge, drained and rinsed them then put a little oil in the skillet and sauteed them up with some garlic powder and paprika.  Really good addition to breakfast!
If anyone else does creative things with foods it would be fun to hear.

If you want a breakfast food involving beans, you could make these bean muffins! I have made them and they are not bad.
http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58452
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Post by: Luci on August 06, 2013, 06:47:31 PM
Sometimes I feel so darned bossy! 
The cat got sick on her little bed so we have to wash the slip cover.  My hands are giving me trouble so I asked my husband to do it.  I told him to use a little plastic pan and laundry soap, instead of the wash machine, and then stood there overseeing the process.  I caught myself though and told him, "I'm going into the other room so I don't start bossing you around."  Probably much to his relief.

Sounds like you get 1 point for nurturing your marriage. He gets a point for doing the job, a point for a grin, and a point for a mumbled 'thanks'. The cat gets a clean bed and knowing that she is superior in getting her minions to do the cleanup. No points.

Congratulations to you all!
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Post by: Bijou on August 06, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
I like a little carbs with breakfast but don't care to use much in the way of wheat products, like bread.  So, this morning I took a half cup of no salt added canned great northern beans that I had in the fridge, drained and rinsed them then put a little oil in the skillet and sauteed them up with some garlic powder and paprika.  Really good addition to breakfast!
If anyone else does creative things with foods it would be fun to hear.

If you want a breakfast food involving beans, you could make these bean muffins! I have made them and they are not bad.
http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58452
Thanks.  I bookmarked the page.  They sound great and no sugar.  Yay! 
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Post by: Bijou on August 06, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Sometimes I feel so darned bossy! 
The cat got sick on her little bed so we have to wash the slip cover.  My hands are giving me trouble so I asked my husband to do it.  I told him to use a little plastic pan and laundry soap, instead of the wash machine, and then stood there overseeing the process.  I caught myself though and told him, "I'm going into the other room so I don't start bossing you around."  Probably much to his relief.

Sounds like you get 1 point for nurturing your marriage. He gets a point for doing the job, a point for a grin, and a point for a mumbled 'thanks'. The cat gets a clean bed and knowing that she is superior in getting her minions to do the cleanup. No points.

Congratulations to you all!
Thanks!  In about a week we celebrate our 40th wedding anniversary, so something must be working.   :)
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Post by: jpcher on August 07, 2013, 04:54:27 PM
This just struck me as funny . . .

We had some VIP dignitaries visit our company today. As usual for these types of visits, there are "glory" posters (describing what we do, what we've accomplished and how great we are) set up along the hallways.

The posters are set up on 3-legged easel stands at a viewing angle (not flat against the wall) facing one direction about 3-4 ft. apart, so down my particular hallway there's easily about 20 posters.

If you're going north down the hallway, it's a pretty nice display. If you're going south down the hallway, all you see are the easel stand and backs of the posters . . . pretty ugly, to me.

I always figured that the VIP dignitaries were escorted down a different hallway in order to avoid having them see the ugly side.

Nope. Not the case. When I left my office today, I saw that all the posters were moved to the opposite side of the hall and were now facing south.

This struck me as funny and I giggled all the way to my car because I picture little undercover poster-moving elves loitering in all of the the hallways talking into their sleeves: "Pigeon is on the move, now heading west. North Hall, switch the posters for south viewing on 3-2-1-GO!" . . . "Pigeon is taking a detour. Heads up! Pigeon is turning around. West Hall! switch the posters to east-view NOW! Move! Move! Move!"


Maybe I'm just having a slap-happy day.  ::)  ;D
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Post by: jpcher on August 07, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
Sometimes I feel so darned bossy! 
The cat got sick on her little bed so we have to wash the slip cover.  My hands are giving me trouble so I asked my husband to do it.  I told him to use a little plastic pan and laundry soap, instead of the wash machine, and then stood there overseeing the process.  I caught myself though and told him, "I'm going into the other room so I don't start bossing you around."  Probably much to his relief.

Sounds like you get 1 point for nurturing your marriage. He gets a point for doing the job, a point for a grin, and a point for a mumbled 'thanks'. The cat gets a clean bed and knowing that she is superior in getting her minions to do the cleanup. No points.

Congratulations to you all!
Thanks!  In about a week we celebrate our 40th wedding anniversary, so something must be working.   :)

WooHoo! Congrats on 40 years! It sounds like you both have it under control.  ;D
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Post by: mumma to KMC on August 08, 2013, 10:32:10 AM
Not sure where this would go, but billboard misspellings.

The local doc in a box had one expressing their sympathy to the "family's" in Oklahoma.

Last night on my way home, the mall was inventing me in to update my "wardbrode"

And one more, which was obviously intentional and probably part of an ad campaign that was paid for.  I don't remember if it was a technical school, or community college, but the billboard urged passers-by to consider ("hire")* education.   Well, at least o. That one they did catch my Attention....

*in my memory at least, they had hire in quotes on the billboard.

In our small South Georgia town, there is a sign right off the interstate that says "You've just past (Restaurant/Hotel/Gas Station Names)". As if those travelling through need any more ammunition on the intelligence level of Southerners. ;) The billboard looks like it's been there for quite a while too, at least two years.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 09, 2013, 01:48:30 PM
When someone you have not seen or been in contact with for years suddenly messages you because they have a wonderful new opportunity they think you should be involved in! This is the message I received today from a spouse of a friend who DH and I have not seen in at least 5 years, oh and they live 30 minutes away so it is not distance related. Only the name was changed.

Hey girlee,I just started doing my very own business with Slumber parties now- selling lotions, potions, pj's & toys- I'm Reaching out to all of my friends to have a party the month of Sept, I am able to give a 35% discount to anyone that has a party. Will you help me get started by hosting 1 for me? 😊 - xoxo (name) p.s you will also get to do some FREE shopping too 😉

I wonder if I should reply at all or just ignore it.
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Post by: AnnaJ on August 09, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
A random question for parents of teenagers.  In another thread someone posted a question about their teen and a side comment was that the young man (I think he was 18) had no desire to get a driver's license.  A friend's niece just graduated from high school and also has refused to get a driver's license, which is a big issue since her mother cannot continue to drive her around (they live in an area with very poor mass transit).

This surprised me because eons ago when I was a teen, we got our licenses the day we turned 16 (in the US) and felt sorry for anyone whose birthday was on the weekend and they had to wait until Monday - we saw it as a gateway to independence and it was a big deal.

Anyway, I'm just curious about whether this is a trend, and if so why do you think it's happening?  Maybe a rural/urban divide?
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 09, 2013, 02:04:28 PM
I definitely think it is a trend. I have a few friends with older teens that have no desire to learn to drive, even though there is a vehicle they would be allowed to learn on. I think it has a lot to do with the level of independence expected from the parents and the child.

My son (15) has already begun working, and it will be a relief for us to have him drive himself there and back next summer. He is currently completing the mandatory course for our state, so he can get his learner's permit next week. He will have 8 months of practice before getting his license.
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Post by: Outdoor Girl on August 09, 2013, 02:05:10 PM
My nephews dragged their feet a little but they did have licenses before they turned 18.  For them, a lot of their friends had cars, a lot of stuff was within walking distance and their parents would shuttle them, too.

For me, I was 19 when I got mine.  I skipped a grade so all my friends were a year older than me and all got their licenses right at 16.  Plus, I had an older brother to help with the shuttling.  I did have my learner's permit when I was 17.  We were heading out of town to take me to my summer job about 5 hours away.  My Dad offered me the keys.  For some unknown reason, I declined.  Considering I always jumped at the chance to drive, it was kind of weird.  30 minutes up the undivided highway, the right front tire blew.  If I'd been driving, I'm not sure I'd be sitting here typing this post.  Scared me a bit.  So it was a couple of years before I got my learner's permit again.
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Post by: gramma dishes on August 09, 2013, 02:12:53 PM
When someone you have not seen or been in contact with for years suddenly messages you because they have a wonderful new opportunity they think you should be involved in! This is the message I received today from a spouse of a friend who DH and I have not seen in at least 5 years, oh and they live 30 minutes away so it is not distance related. Only the name was changed.

Hey girlee,I just started doing my very own business with Slumber parties now- selling lotions, potions, pj's & toys- I'm Reaching out to all of my friends to have a party the month of Sept, I am able to give a 35% discount to anyone that has a party. Will you help me get started by hosting 1 for me? 😊 - xoxo (name) p.s you will also get to do some FREE shopping too 😉

I wonder if I should reply at all or just ignore it.

I vote ignore.  Then rip out their Rolodex card and destroy.   ;)
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 09, 2013, 02:41:02 PM
I think it really depends on the teen.   DH's cousin has ADD and DH's aunt told us he wasn't ready to get his license at 16.  She said kids with ADD/ADHD sometimes mature slower than most kids.  I didn't feel ready to get my license at 16 but I got it shortly before I turned 17.

DH and I told our boys that just turning 16 doesn't mean they'll automatically get their license.  They have to show us they're mature enough for us to feel comfortable letting them operate a vehicle.

As for my own ponderings, I'm starting to wonder if I need to break down and let my youngest get his first haircut.  It is getting long and curly in the back,  and I've had a few people say "He is so cute! It is a boy, right?" 

On the other hand, I love his curls and think they're darling and am having a hard time with the thought of them getting chopped off and find myself thinking "Why do I care what others think?"
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Post by: VorFemme on August 09, 2013, 03:11:34 PM
Might have been my high school graduate.

His dad taught at his high school - so he got driven to school or could ride the bus.  There were two accidents with him in the car with his dad driving....he got a little "spooked" at the idea of trying to learn to drive with that many cars to keep track of.  There are times of day when traffic is light - but 1 to 5 am is not the best time to learn to drive.....

We live in the Houston, Texas area.  There are scarier places to learn to drive - but we live right off one of the highways (three lanes each direction with left turn lanes at various points between lights as well as at them and a lot of right turn lanes complicating every intersection with a light). that almost makes a circle around the metropolitan area - so heavy traffic during rush hour, drivers concentrating more on getting to work than they are on driving either safely or politely, and big trucks - delivery vans and semis (tractor trailer rigs) are frequently taking our "outer loop" as a required bypass to some of the interstate highways that go through the more densely populated areas.
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Post by: artk2002 on August 09, 2013, 04:05:00 PM
A random question for parents of teenagers.  In another thread someone posted a question about their teen and a side comment was that the young man (I think he was 18) had no desire to get a driver's license.  A friend's niece just graduated from high school and also has refused to get a driver's license, which is a big issue since her mother cannot continue to drive her around (they live in an area with very poor mass transit).

This surprised me because eons ago when I was a teen, we got our licenses the day we turned 16 (in the US) and felt sorry for anyone whose birthday was on the weekend and they had to wait until Monday - we saw it as a gateway to independence and it was a big deal.

Anyway, I'm just curious about whether this is a trend, and if so why do you think it's happening?  Maybe a rural/urban divide?

My eldest son is not terribly motivated to get his license, while the younger one is. It's personalities, really.
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Post by: artk2002 on August 09, 2013, 04:16:50 PM
I hope this is the right place for this question. 

I've been wanting to take horseback riding lessons, but know absolutely nothing about what they should cost and what the lessons should consist of.  I know E-hell has horse lovers out there and am hoping someone can help me out.  If it's pertinent, I live about 40 miles northwest of Chicago.  I have no experience whatsoever.

I'll try to tackle the second part of your question. I worked for a riding school for several years. There's going to be some variation in what different schools teach, so I'll give you what we (the Traditional Equitation School at the Los Angeles Equestrian Center) did.

Your first lesson is the "tack class," which is what I taught. It's all about safety and horse care. Some of the topics:
My personal opinion is that if a school doesn't teach you to groom and tack your own horse, it's not a good school.

Lessons were either private, semi-private or group. Not a lot different in content, but the focus is different. In a private lesson, the teacher can be very focussed on you, so you don't always have time to stop and think about things. In a group lesson, you have the chance to observe other people as they do things. Each has advantages and disadvantages. When I rode, I always had a mix of lesson types.

Your early lessons will include how to mount your horse, how to sit, getting moving and stopping. From there you'll work in the ring learning more aspects of riding, such as posting (if riding English.) How to hold the reins properly to control your horse. Turning. Going from a walk to a trot to a canter and back. Once you have the basics, then you can start in on special aspects of whatever style you want. Jumping or Dressage, for instance.
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Post by: mbbored on August 09, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
Not sure where this would go, but billboard misspellings.

The local doc in a box had one expressing their sympathy to the "family's" in Oklahoma.

Last night on my way home, the mall was inventing me in to update my "wardbrode"

And one more, which was obviously intentional and probably part of an ad campaign that was paid for.  I don't remember if it was a technical school, or community college, but the billboard urged passers-by to consider ("hire")* education.   Well, at least o. That one they did catch my Attention....

*in my memory at least, they had hire in quotes on the billboard.

In our small South Georgia town, there is a sign right off the interstate that says "You've just past (Restaurant/Hotel/Gas Station Names)". As if those travelling through need any more ammunition on the intelligence level of Southerners. ;) The billboard looks like it's been there for quite a while too, at least two years.

There's an office at my university called "Materiel Management." Apparently "materiel" is spelled correctly and refers to the supplies and equipment used by an organization. Still every time I see it on a vehicle, presentation, or website, I cringe.
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Post by: GreenHall on August 09, 2013, 08:46:37 PM

A random question for parents of teenagers.  In another thread someone posted a question about their teen and a side comment was that the young man (I think he was 18) had no desire to get a driver's license.  A friend's niece just graduated from high school and also has refused to get a driver's license, which is a big issue since her mother cannot continue to drive her around (they live in an area with very poor mass transit).

This surprised me because eons ago when I was a teen, we got our licenses the day we turned 16 (in the US) and felt sorry for anyone whose birthday was on the weekend and they had to wait until Monday - we saw it as a gateway to independence and it was a big deal.

Anyway, I'm just curious about whether this is a trend, and if so why do you think it's happening?  Maybe a rural/urban divide?

I was a late driver.  In hindsight, the anxiety I know about now, is likely why driving then (and, honestly, now) was not the be all, end all of my 16 th year.  I knew there were SS's out there, and didn't trust others driving, AND, I didn't want to be the cause of property/body damage to others if I made a mistake.  I will still turn down requests for me to drive another's child, just because of the anxiety being responsible for them on the road causes. 
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Post by: Hmmmmm on August 13, 2013, 01:11:17 PM

A random question for parents of teenagers.  In another thread someone posted a question about their teen and a side comment was that the young man (I think he was 18) had no desire to get a driver's license.  A friend's niece just graduated from high school and also has refused to get a driver's license, which is a big issue since her mother cannot continue to drive her around (they live in an area with very poor mass transit).

This surprised me because eons ago when I was a teen, we got our licenses the day we turned 16 (in the US) and felt sorry for anyone whose birthday was on the weekend and they had to wait until Monday - we saw it as a gateway to independence and it was a big deal.

Anyway, I'm just curious about whether this is a trend, and if so why do you think it's happening?  Maybe a rural/urban divide?

I was a late driver.  In hindsight, the anxiety I know about now, is likely why driving then (and, honestly, now) was not the be all, end all of my 16 th year.  I knew there were SS's out there, and didn't trust others driving, AND, I didn't want to be the cause of property/body damage to others if I made a mistake.  I will still turn down requests for me to drive another's child, just because of the anxiety being responsible for them on the road causes.
My DD got her DL on her 16th bday.
My DS got his a few months after his 16th bday which was the first appointment we could get that didn't conflict with school or other activities.

But what I've found odd with them is they don't "demand" to drive. I remember by the time I got my learners permit, I pretty much always drove if it was just my mom and me in the car and even lots of time if it was my Dad and me.

But if we are going somewhere I'll ask my kids if they want to drive and they'll usually refuse. I think DD refuses because she doesn't like driving my larger car and doesn't want to use up her gas. For DS, I think it's just his inherent laziness. ;)
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Post by: SlitherHiss on August 13, 2013, 01:28:03 PM
I couldn't wait to get my license. It meant freedom. My kids (DS13, DD8) aren't there yet, but my niece? She has been dragging her feet for almost 2 years now, and I don't think she'll go get one until after she's 18 and out of the house. In her case, her mother has a tendancy to overschedule her (and her brother) like crazy, and it's an unspoken understanding that once niece gets her license, she'll be roped into even more activities/clubs/service projects as well as playing chauffer for her little brother. For her, a license wouldn't mean freedom, just extra responsibilities and even less downtime.

I see that sort of thing brewing among the parents of other kids in DS13's class. Gotta be better! Gotta be the best! Gotta do ALL THE ACTIVITIES! It makes me think that some of these kids are rocketing towards burnout, and it won't suprise me in the least if they delay taking on even more responsibility.
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Post by: jedikaiti on August 13, 2013, 01:31:19 PM
I got my learner's permit the day after I turned 15. Mom promptly handed me the keys and told me I was doing all the driving from then on (with her and/or Dad, of course). After that, I was the family chauffeur. Got my DL on my 16th birthday, and drove myself to school the next day.

I couldn't wait to drive, and I don't think my parents could wait for me to drive, either!
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Post by: magicdomino on August 13, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
I got my drivers license at 19.  I didn't have a car, and my mother informed me that she couldn't afford to risk me wrecking the only car we had.  So, why bother learning?  Mother changed her mind when I started going to community college.  Taking the bus would have involved a long walk, two transfers and a couple of hours for a 20 minute drive.  Chauffering me every day got old.  So, I finally got to borrow the car when she didn't need it.
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Post by: magicdomino on August 13, 2013, 02:36:36 PM
When someone you have not seen or been in contact with for years suddenly messages you because they have a wonderful new opportunity they think you should be involved in! This is the message I received today from a spouse of a friend who DH and I have not seen in at least 5 years, oh and they live 30 minutes away so it is not distance related. Only the name was changed.

Hey girlee,I just started doing my very own business with Slumber parties now- selling lotions, potions, pj's & toys- I'm Reaching out to all of my friends to have a party the month of Sept, I am able to give a 35% discount to anyone that has a party. Will you help me get started by hosting 1 for me?  - xoxo (name) p.s you will also get to do some FREE shopping too

I wonder if I should reply at all or just ignore it.

I'd hit "ignore" just for calling me "girlee."   ::)
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 13, 2013, 03:17:04 PM
When someone you have not seen or been in contact with for years suddenly messages you because they have a wonderful new opportunity they think you should be involved in! This is the message I received today from a spouse of a friend who DH and I have not seen in at least 5 years, oh and they live 30 minutes away so it is not distance related. Only the name was changed.

Hey girlee,I just started doing my very own business with Slumber parties now- selling lotions, potions, pj's & toys- I'm Reaching out to all of my friends to have a party the month of Sept, I am able to give a 35% discount to anyone that has a party. Will you help me get started by hosting 1 for me?  - xoxo (name) p.s you will also get to do some FREE shopping too

I wonder if I should reply at all or just ignore it.

I'd hit "ignore" just for calling me "girlee."   ::)

DH was irate at that point! We are ignoring and cooling the relationship even more than it has been.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 13, 2013, 04:45:11 PM
When someone you have not seen or been in contact with for years suddenly messages you because they have a wonderful new opportunity they think you should be involved in! This is the message I received today from a spouse of a friend who DH and I have not seen in at least 5 years, oh and they live 30 minutes away so it is not distance related. Only the name was changed.

Hey girlee,I just started doing my very own business with Slumber parties now- selling lotions, potions, pj's & toys- I'm Reaching out to all of my friends to have a party the month of Sept, I am able to give a 35% discount to anyone that has a party. Will you help me get started by hosting 1 for me?  - xoxo (name) p.s you will also get to do some FREE shopping too

I wonder if I should reply at all or just ignore it.

I'd hit "ignore" just for calling me "girlee."   ::)

DH was irate at that point! We are ignoring and cooling the relationship even more than it has been.

That would annoy me too!

One former "friend" (never really was a great friend to begin with, I put up with her cause she was married to a friend of dh's)  told me that when they moved to a new neighborhood, she was looking for ways to earn money from home and wanted my advice on the best way to ask her neighbors to host a party so she could sell scrabble toys. 

I admit, my reply was perhaps not all that polite.  I said "Are you serious? You don't even know these people yet and you're wanting to ask them to host a party so you can sell something, let alone selling scrabble toys?"  (I was using a "you're pulling my leg, right?" tone, not a scolding one)

Mind you I've been to one of these parties myself and while I didn't buy anything I did have fun and had quite a few laughs, so I wasn't judging the idea of selling the scrabble toys, but I was thinking of the awkwardness alone in going door to door in a new neighborhood where she knew no one yet, and the first thing she'd be asking them is "Hey I sell scrabble toys, would you like to host a party?"  I couldn't see that going over too well. 

Or maybe it's just me, I mean I've lived here 3.5 years, know some of my neighbors rather well and I'd still feel uncomfortable hosting that kind of party.
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Post by: Optimoose Prime on August 13, 2013, 04:59:32 PM
I am probably one of the few who encouraged driving.  I was tired of driving to that school twice every day.
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Post by: MariaE on August 13, 2013, 11:30:21 PM
In Denmark, getting a drivers license is expensive (classes are mandatory and a full set costs around US$1500), so many kids herr have to wait until they can afford it.

I was lucky, I took mine in NZ and got off with US$500 :)
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Post by: Ereine on August 14, 2013, 02:15:36 AM
Cost is one reason why I don't have a drivers licence, I think that with the latest regulations it's gone up to about 2000 euros (so about $2600), I can't afford that plus the cost of owning a car, taking the bus is 48 euros per month. When I graduated high school my father offered to pay for the licence or a computer, I chose the computer and it was more useful in my studies (at the time the lucence cost about as much as the first iMacs).
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Post by: Venus193 on August 14, 2013, 05:13:17 PM
Living in NYC does not require a driver's license, not to mention there is no place to park a car.  Here a car is an expensive nuisance if you don't need it for commuting to work.
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Post by: Snooks on August 16, 2013, 01:27:20 PM
Turns out despite looking nothing alike there is some family resemblance between us. He was explaining how he'd told his girlfriend he wouldn't keep having a conversation about an issue she could easily fix. It sounded exactly like when I tell DH he's not getting sympathy when ill unless he takes something to try and fix the problem first.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 20, 2013, 12:13:57 PM
This drives me crazy, but when people, usually older, say that they didn't have the luxury of an education. It is usually said by a parent of a college student, IME.

While I know a few people who went to college and didn't have to work or scrape to get by, that is in the minority. Most people I know who went to college had to scrape and work whenever they could. I think it is beyond insulting to people who go to school so they can have a better future.

What do you think?
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Post by: afbluebelle on August 20, 2013, 12:42:39 PM
This drives me crazy, but when people, usually older, say that they didn't have the luxury of an education. It is usually said by a parent of a college student, IME.

While I know a few people who went to college and didn't have to work or scrape to get by, that is in the minority. Most people I know who went to college had to scrape and work whenever they could. I think it is beyond insulting to people who go to school so they can have a better future.

What do you think?

I know with my family and the area I lived in, up until about 20 years ago, college was thought of as a thing that only rich kids got to do. Expectation was if you made it through high school, you were good. Get a job with the city, a ranch, or the rigs and work until your body breaks... or join the Army or something.  It doesn't seem like there was near the amount of information on education services and opportunities. 

Parental and teacher support is there for a lot of students now days... maybe not monetary, but in a "Work hard, I know you can do it!" kind of thing. All I ever heard from my parents was that the teachers didn't stress a lot of college stuff when they were in school, and both of them had parents that said they weren't "college" material. Neither of them had heard of the FAFSA until I got closer to looking at schools and my mom was amazed at the scholarship programs that were available, and had been for a long time. Blew her mind.

Of course, I went and joined the military because I was sick of classrooms :P   What can I say, I like hands on learning  >:D
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Post by: SlitherHiss on August 20, 2013, 12:50:46 PM
This drives me crazy, but when people, usually older, say that they didn't have the luxury of an education. It is usually said by a parent of a college student, IME.

While I know a few people who went to college and didn't have to work or scrape to get by, that is in the minority. Most people I know who went to college had to scrape and work whenever they could. I think it is beyond insulting to people who go to school so they can have a better future.

What do you think?

I think you might be letting yoruself see offense where none is intended. For many of my parents' generation, even having the opportunity to starve and scrape and work triple shifts to get an education could be considered a luxury. Dad had to quit college to manage the family farm, and mom left high school to take care of her siblings. Moving three states away to live on ramen noodles with 5 roommates wasn't even a possibility!

I spent HS working at a turkey plant, stuffing necks and giblets back into gutted birds so I could save up enough to begin classes at the local community college. I kept working all through school and spent some miserable years getting by on what seemed like nothing but caffeine and oatmeal. That I could do that; leave home, find work, get loans, gut through it; that was a luxury my parents literally couldn't have managed.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 20, 2013, 01:35:36 PM
I find it insulting as the people telling me this are calling on me as a higher education professional when they say it.

By no means do I think everyone needs a college education, but there is a way to say that opportunity didn't exist for you (general) without insulting people who do go to school.

I work full time to support my education and my family. I am a non-traditional student who works very hard to balance work, education and my home life. A college education was not an expectation I had when I was in grade school either. No one pays for my schooling but myself.
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Post by: Venus193 on August 20, 2013, 04:08:02 PM
I see that insult and raise you another:  You're a college graduate and someone says you deserve less pay than a less-educated person because "nobody wants to do THAT work."
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Post by: SlitherHiss on August 20, 2013, 04:11:50 PM
I see that insult and raise you another:  You're a college graduate and someone says you deserve less pay than a less-educated person because "nobody wants to do THAT work."

I'm not sure I've ever heard that one...when does it come up? There are a lot of "trade" jobs that require a high level of specialization, danger, or sacrifice but which might not require a degree. Way I figure, I can only judge my salary against others in my field.
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Post by: Venus193 on August 20, 2013, 04:44:50 PM
My mother pulled that one on me and she had no qualification to judge any job against any other.  In her mind a factory worker deserved better pay than I did but that could have been personal. 

I've heard people say that teamsters deserve better pay than teachers.  In my opinion teachers have the toughest and most important job imaginable.
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Post by: hobish on August 20, 2013, 04:54:30 PM
This drives me crazy, but when people, usually older, say that they didn't have the luxury of an education. It is usually said by a parent of a college student, IME.

While I know a few people who went to college and didn't have to work or scrape to get by, that is in the minority. Most people I know who went to college had to scrape and work whenever they could. I think it is beyond insulting to people who go to school so they can have a better future.

What do you think?

Hmmm. I haven’t heard that one, but I was coming to this thread because a course on time management I had to take at work today used the phrase, “…maybe you didn’t get that fancy education you always wanted.” Fancy education? Is that still a phrase people use? Is an accounting degree really fancy? I guess maybe to some? It struck me as so odd, especially in a training class for professionals.

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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 20, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
I spoke to my boss about it, since I had a third person in a week tell me how they don't understand the way college works, since they didn't have the "luxury" of a college education. This was said in a derisive tone, over the phone with the child that is going to college present.

None of these kids are under age 19, so the parents need to step back some and let the student take care of these things. Also, I can't imagine how it would feel as the student to hear my parent say that to someone at their prospective school.

My boss, who has two MA degrees and one PhD, said that she hears it all the time, including from her own parents. She has a high position that she has earned.
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Post by: nuit93 on August 20, 2013, 08:12:15 PM
This drives me crazy, but when people, usually older, say that they didn't have the luxury of an education. It is usually said by a parent of a college student, IME.

While I know a few people who went to college and didn't have to work or scrape to get by, that is in the minority. Most people I know who went to college had to scrape and work whenever they could. I think it is beyond insulting to people who go to school so they can have a better future.

What do you think?

I had coworkers in the call center I worked at complain about the fact that a BA was required to move into management.

"Some of us didn't HAVE rich parents who could afford to send us to college!  Some of us had to WORK for a living!"  I didn't make many friends when I responded with "some of us worked from the day we were 15 all the way through college and paid for it ourselves because we also didn't have rich parents".

Yeah, I understand that some people do have to work just to support the family so saving for college isn't even an option, but good golly...the whining got old.

And these were people who were around my age, so it wasn't as though they had grown up in a time when all you needed was a high school diploma.
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Post by: Bijou on August 21, 2013, 01:26:36 PM
I just want to say that I love cheese, dill pickles and mayo on bread. 
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on August 21, 2013, 04:49:58 PM
I just want to say that I love cheese, dill pickles and mayo on bread.

I love that too!  Only instead of pickles, it's roast beef.  And instead of mayo, it's roast beef.  But otherwise... yeah!
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Post by: hobish on August 21, 2013, 04:52:54 PM
I just want to say that I love cheese, dill pickles and mayo on bread.

I could go for some of that! Yum!
I also really like your thread about how did you find your craft; i just don't have anything to add just yet. I think it is a cool question, though.
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Post by: Ms_Cellany on August 21, 2013, 05:21:52 PM

Sometimes I feel so darned bossy! 
The cat got sick on her little bed so we have to wash the slip cover.  My hands are giving me trouble so I asked my husband to do it.  I told him to use a little plastic pan and laundry soap, instead of the wash machine, and then stood there overseeing the process.  I caught myself though and told him, "I'm going into the other room so I don't start bossing you around."  Probably much to his relief.


The Sweetie was cutting a hole in the door to the water-heater closet to install a vent, using the jigsaw against my recommendations of either 1) remove the door or 2) use the reciprocating saw. We usually keep each other company during DIY stuff, but this time, she heard me thinking too loud and said "Could you go somewhere else to think about how you would do this?"
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 21, 2013, 05:55:36 PM
Lol!

I suddenly remembered today that my wedding anniversary is in 6 weeks. Made reservations this evening!
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Post by: hobish on August 21, 2013, 06:00:32 PM

My 40th birthday is in a month and i have no idea what i want to do. I think it is too late for a weekend trip to Assateague. I just don't know. Gish is no help, he just says tell him what I want and he'll plan it, but I don't know what i want! And I'm a terrible planner! And maybe I'm selfish but I don't want to clean for my own party! My campground is staying open an extra couple of weeks, so maybe I'll just hide out down there with my girlfriends who are already in their 50's and don't give a hoot because the more I think about it the more I want to hide in a closet.
Pity Party anyone?  :P
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Post by: Hmmmmm on August 21, 2013, 06:04:39 PM
Lol!

I suddenly remembered today that my wedding anniversary is in 6 weeks. Made reservations this evening!

We've had a busy last 6 months. DH and I were out with friends for dinner last Friday and they invited us to a party at their home in October. DH and I did that look to each other thinking the date sounded familiar and we said we'd get back to them. DH and I talked on our way home but couldn't come up with it. On Monday he laughingly reminded me it was our 20th anniversary and we'd discussed earlier in the year going back to the island where we hooneymooned.  Well, that's not happening now. New Orleans is our default for anniversaries so I think we'll go there.
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Post by: jedikaiti on August 21, 2013, 06:07:50 PM
No ideas, but I'd love to see what other folks come up with, since I hit the big 40 next spring.

So far, I figure there will be the usual day-of sushi dinner.

Actually, I know a few people turning 40 soon. Maybe I should do a repeat of my 30th birthday gifts, which was to fill a priority mail box with a bunch of little toys from Oriental Trading Company - I called it the "return to childhood" gift pack. Or maybe I'll mail a bunch of black helium balloons. :-)
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Post by: Venus193 on August 22, 2013, 05:09:34 AM
My birthday comes up soon and I have a concert ticket for Beethoven's 9th!
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 22, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
We are taking a cruise a few weeks after our anniversary, so I am very excited for that.

Hobish, if I didn't make plans, no one would ever do anything at my house.
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Post by: Thipu1 on August 22, 2013, 06:34:49 PM
Mr. Thipu gets off much better for his Birthday than I do. 

His Birthday is Halloween so, if we're at home, he gets a parade.  If we're on vacation, he gets to be in a cool place like Rome or London. 

Since our anniversary is in March and we tend to take a cruise in the spring, we're usually on a ship. That's always nice.

My Birthday is in August so not much happens.  This year I did get a great lobster dinner.   
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Post by: Bijou on August 22, 2013, 09:35:23 PM
I just want to say that I love cheese, dill pickles and mayo on bread.

I love that too!  Only instead of pickles, it's roast beef.  And instead of mayo, it's roast beef.  But otherwise... yeah!
I love roast beef sandwiches, with Munster cheese, horse radish, mayo and thinly sliced red onions.  Sometimes I like just butter on my sandwich, instead of mayo.
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Post by: Luci on August 22, 2013, 09:48:57 PM
I just want to say that I love cheese, dill pickles and mayo on bread.

I love that too!  Only instead of pickles, it's roast beef.  And instead of mayo, it's roast beef.  But otherwise... yeah!
I love roast beef sandwiches, with Munster cheese, horse radish, mayo and thinly sliced red onions.  Sometimes I like just butter on my sandwich, instead of mayo.

Some people think catsup makes everything right, but WE know that horseradish just does anything up right! So when and where are you serving this delight? I'll be there!
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on August 23, 2013, 05:07:38 AM
I just want to say that I love cheese, dill pickles and mayo on bread.

I love that too!  Only instead of pickles, it's roast beef.  And instead of mayo, it's roast beef.  But otherwise... yeah!
I love roast beef sandwiches, with Munster cheese, horse radish, mayo and thinly sliced red onions.  Sometimes I like just butter on my sandwich, instead of mayo.

For me, it's just roast beef and Swiss, layered so that the cheese is interspersed throughout the sandwich, and then microwaved until the cheese is melty.
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Post by: Stormtreader on August 23, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
Horseradish is also great on jacket potatoes :D

For the driving lessons, I didnt learn until about 8 years ago...and havent ever actually owned my own car or actively driven on my licence.

The first was because I lived in a rural area and am not a hugely social person, it would have taken ALL my money to run it and I was generally happy where i was :D

The second is because I now live in a ciry with good public transport links, a house deposit was more important than car payments. Im only *now* looking because my social life seems to have ramped up and its now enough of a bother for it to be worth it :D
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 23, 2013, 01:20:22 PM
I've been reading "Gifts from the Sea" by Anne Morrow Lindbergh and couldn't help but think of ehell when reading this bit:

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"The world today does not understand, in either man or woman, the need to be alone. 

How inexplicable it seems.  Anything else will be accepted as a better excuse.  If one sets aside time for a business appointment, a trip to the hairdresser, a social engagement or a shopping expedition, that time is accepted as inviolable.  But if one says: I cannot come because that is my hour to be alone, one is considered rude, egotistical or strange.  What a commentary on our civilization, when being alone is considered suspect; when one has to apologize for it, make excuses, hide the fact that one practices it-like a secret vice!"

How many times has a poster been told that they do not have to give up time to themselves for a pushy friend, acquaintance or relative? That its perfectly fine to just stay home and have their time off without having to justify it? 

I believe the book was published in 1955, but a good amount of the wisdom really does still apply today.  Someone at my church recommended it when she found out how much I love the sea and I am enjoying it. :)
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Post by: Onyx_TKD on August 23, 2013, 01:29:34 PM
When wearing a bracelet with text on it (or any other design with a specific "up" and "down"), which direction do you wear it? So it's upright from your perspective (top of the design towards your hand) or upright when your arm is by your side (top of the design towards your wrist)? Does it differ depending on the particular piece of jewelry or occasion?

I recently had to decide when got a leather bracelet with a quote on it. I settled on upright from my own perspective for everyday wear. OTOH, I think if it were part of a dressy outfit, I might turn it around to be oriented upright for people looking at me.
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Post by: jpcher on August 23, 2013, 04:34:01 PM
I wear mine top of the design towards my wrist. I guess because it's easier for others to read and, well, otherwise it would be upside down.

That's just me and the way I've always done it.

I don't think there is any proper way . . . I say wear it they way you like it.
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Post by: Snooks on August 23, 2013, 04:51:34 PM
Gah I've just stupidly reminded myself of something that annoyed me ages ago and has irked me all over again.  The mention of wedding anniversaries reminded me that ours is in about three weeks (we're going away - planned that ages ago as another "If I didn't plan it no-one in this house would do anything" person) and I remembered that my DH's immediate family never bothered doing anything special for our wedding.  His parents didn't even get us a card.  His sister normally makes cards any occasion for her 101 friends and their various children are celebrating, our wedding card was a £1 from the supermarket card, I happen to know because I saw it in there when I was picking a card for a wedding we had to go to not long after.  Please note I have nothing against supermarket cards but the lack of effort vs what she does for everyone else seems like a direct comment.  None of them have ever bothered acknowledging our anniversary, which doesn't bother me particularly but on SIL's first anniversary she phoned DH (then DBF) up and ranted down the phone at him about the fact he hadn't sent them a card.  I'm trying very hard not to get into a "no-one understands me" hole.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 23, 2013, 05:26:56 PM
^My in-laws either don't recall or are refusing to tell us their anniversary so we can celebrate their anniversary. I have known them for 19 years!

DH and I are happy and glad to celebrate with each other, but I get weary of making all the arrangements all the time!

BTW, we no longer give gifts to each other for anniversaries. It got too strange (especially when I am reconciling accounts every month), when we have commingled finances and bank accounts. Is that weird?
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Post by: jedikaiti on August 23, 2013, 05:36:55 PM
That's actually why my parents now have separate accounts.
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Post by: Snooks on August 23, 2013, 05:38:29 PM
Not at all! That's why we take anniversary trips.  We don't want/need anyone else to acknowledge our anniversary it just bugs me that she made all that fuss about hers then ignored ours!
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Post by: Thipu1 on August 23, 2013, 06:47:13 PM
That's actually why my parents now have separate accounts.

That's why we've always had 'His', 'Her's' and 'It's' accounts.  The 'It's' account is for joint expenses such as utilities.  We both contribute to that.  The individual accounts allow us to buy each other gifts or just fun things we want for ourselves without consulting each other.  It's understood that, in case of a crisis, all money comes from the same pocket. 

We gave up on individual anniversary gifts years ago. Buying a new rug for the living room or a new mattress was far more satisfying than buying jewelry or electronic gadgets.     

I once worked with a woman who wanted to buy her DH a magazine subscription for his Birthday.  They only had one checking account. She paid me the cash and I wrote the check for the subscription.  Our way is a lot easier. 
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Post by: Dindrane on August 23, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
My husband and and I prefer to celebrate our anniversary by doing things, since we both have a bit of a hard time buying gifts for each other. Birthday and Christmas is plenty!

But what we end up doing with gift purchases is that my husband barely looks at our bank transactions as it is (I'm the one who primarily manages our money), and I just become willfully ignorant of what he is spending around gift-giving times. It hasn't been a problem so far.
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Post by: Bijou on August 23, 2013, 09:35:32 PM
We just celebrated our 40th wedding anniversary.  No one even knew or remembered.  (I would be surprised if anyone did.)  I don't remember anyone else's either.  We're not big on anniversary gifts, so just went out to dinner.
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Post by: snowdragon on August 23, 2013, 10:31:40 PM
My birthday comes up soon and I have a concert ticket for Beethoven's 9th!

I am unbelievably jealous!  I am learning to play that and would love to hear it done live - the way it's supposed to sound
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Post by: Luci on August 23, 2013, 10:35:21 PM

BTW, we no longer give gifts to each other for anniversaries. It got too strange (especially when I am reconciling accounts every month), when we have commingled finances and bank accounts. Is that weird?

We never have, and we started not getting each othe gifts years ago. Neither one of us likes the pressure or the stupid choices we make because we have to.

We have been a couple since 1964, married in 1966. That's  lot of birthdays, anniversaries, Christmases, Valentine Days, not to mention Mothers' and Fathers' Days to waste a lot of money on clutter  we don't really want or need. It is much more special whenwe really do find the perfect gift, or pick out something together, so we usually do something together.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 24, 2013, 07:16:24 AM
DH is a great gift giver, to the point that I rarely have to ask for anything specific.  Last year he bought me a really nice camera. I had one but it wasn't doing so well (Nikon Coolpixes have very flimsy catches on their battery compartments and I was having to duct tape it shut) so he got me a Canon Powershot for Christmas.  He's really good at listening to people and knowing what they like. 

The first Christmas he spent with my family he gave my mom a set of nature sound DVD to listen to in her office and got my dad a nice travel case for his laptop for when he went on business trips.  Both liked their gifts and were surprised that this kid who barely knew them got such great gifts.  Turns out he'd just listened to me when I'd talk about them.

And he used to be hard to buy for until he became a Brony. It's not that I didn't listen to what he liked, but he was one of those people who would buy what he wanted when he saw it.   My first gift to him was the soundtrack of Riverdance and when I brought it with me, he'd just bought it for himself.  ::)
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Post by: jedikaiti on August 24, 2013, 06:28:44 PM
My Dad used to do that - just buy things for himself whenever. I finally told him one year that he wasn't allowed to shop for himself between October 1 and Christmas without consulting me and/or Mom first, so we'd have half a chance of getting him something he actually wanted for Christmas.
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Post by: Thipu1 on August 24, 2013, 06:52:48 PM
My Dad used to do that - just buy things for himself whenever. I finally told him one year that he wasn't allowed to shop for himself between October 1 and Christmas without consulting me and/or Mom first, so we'd have half a chance of getting him something he actually wanted for Christmas.

Mr. Thipu does this, too.  He's always buying neat things from ThinkGeek or TravelSmith. He almost always includes something fun for me.  We decided long ago that leaving around catalogs with strategically marked pages was a good way for us to get each other Christmas gifts we really want. 

Birthday gifts are usually a card and an extra nice dinner out.  We aren't big on gifts although I do like to see a nice pile under the Christmas tree. 
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on August 24, 2013, 07:43:29 PM
We tend to have a rule of buying each other just one thing (though sometimes I'll get him two related inexpensive things) and using most of the money on the kids. 
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Post by: andi on August 24, 2013, 11:05:39 PM
My Dad used to do that - just buy things for himself whenever. I finally told him one year that he wasn't allowed to shop for himself between October 1 and Christmas without consulting me and/or Mom first, so we'd have half a chance of getting him something he actually wanted for Christmas.

I do this with my hubby and he still will wind up getting himself something in mid november tha t was on my list to get him. Drives me batty
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 26, 2013, 10:21:52 AM
As to gift giving, for Valentine's day, I make DH a special dessert (he is a chocoholic) and he gets me a $4 bunch of roses from the grocery store. I have more trinkets than I can keep up with and that makes me happy. Our only gift giving occasions are birthdays, mother's and father's day, and Christmas.

My FIL is like those above who buy everything they want so you can't hardly find anything to give them. I saw a unique camera strap during our vacation and that is what FIL is getting this year.

MIL doesn't like or enjoy anything but gift cards, so we only give her those.
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Post by: Redwing on August 27, 2013, 07:39:50 AM
An interesting bit of reading for you: http://theweek.com/article/index/248601/how-to-avoid-being-rude-according-to-100-year-old-etiquette-rules (http://theweek.com/article/index/248601/how-to-avoid-being-rude-according-to-100-year-old-etiquette-rules)
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Post by: Thipu1 on August 27, 2013, 08:40:19 AM
An interesting bit of reading for you: http://theweek.com/article/index/248601/how-to-avoid-being-rude-according-to-100-year-old-etiquette-rules (http://theweek.com/article/index/248601/how-to-avoid-being-rude-according-to-100-year-old-etiquette-rules)

Very interesting bit of reading, Redwing.  Thank you.

I especially liked the zinger at the end about a Lady's impression of a Gentleman who talks down to her. 
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 27, 2013, 12:06:36 PM
A woman claimed to have been pregnant with twins, then spun an elaborate tale of their death, complete with a funeral service. She also convinced one child and his doctors that he had gallbladder cancer, and his gallbladder was removed, then that he had kidney issues. A daughter was treated for cancer, which she did not have. This woman is beyond belief.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/08/27/munchausen-mom-how-one-woman-fabricated-pregnancy-and-deaths-imaginary-twins/ (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/08/27/munchausen-mom-how-one-woman-fabricated-pregnancy-and-deaths-imaginary-twins/)
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Post by: jedikaiti on August 27, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
That is just awful!
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Post by: AngelicGamer on August 27, 2013, 04:37:18 PM
Where I live, we're having a mini heat wave.  Apparently, a lot of schools are not equipped to handle this via AC and/or fans, so the kids had a half day.  I do understand that it was safer for the kids and for the teachers.

However, this in my mind turned into "In my day, we suffered through the heat and were grateful that PE turned into a mini study hall."  I only graduated high school about thirteen years ago and did a mental eye rolling at myself.  I also checked my old district and all of the schools were open.  Then again, we rarely closed...only time that we closed for real was the blizzard of 2000.
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Post by: hobish on August 27, 2013, 06:24:51 PM
An interesting bit of reading for you: http://theweek.com/article/index/248601/how-to-avoid-being-rude-according-to-100-year-old-etiquette-rules (http://theweek.com/article/index/248601/how-to-avoid-being-rude-according-to-100-year-old-etiquette-rules)

"Arm-offering is how our streets came to echo with the plaintive cries of unwed mothers and their starving ill-gotten young."
Love it.

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Post by: Sharnita on August 27, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
Keep in mind that it isn't just temperature but school design. Some schools have classrooms with no windows and no real airflow so if the heat and AC isn't working it is stifling. Older buildings tend to have windows so at least the air circulates, even if it is warm.
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Post by: VorFemme on August 27, 2013, 08:34:25 PM
That is just awful!

I read where the medical field has decided NOT to list Munchausen's as a mental illness, but as a "personality disorder", in large part to keep people from claiming not to be legally responsible for their actions "under the influence" so that it is not a legal defense of mental illness or mental defect.

Which is slightly reassuring - but also disturbing - as it doesn't seem to be an issue that doctors think about when presented with a parent with a SICK kid who never gets any better and the parent seems to thrive on the attention......to an odd degree.
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Post by: Venus193 on August 28, 2013, 05:52:24 AM
Doctors need to be taught how to identify that.  However, if we can believe what we see in Law & Order episodes, very often these people take their children to a lot of different doctors in their quest for attention when they don't get the reactions they want.
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Post by: dawbs on August 28, 2013, 08:20:56 AM
Doctors need to be taught how to identify that.  However, if we can believe what we see in Law & Order episodes, very often these people take their children to a lot of different doctors in their quest for attention when they don't get the reactions they want.
And this is such a double edged sword--I've fired 7?  8?  neurologists in the past 5 years.  I could easily see doing the same if my kid ended up w/ similar issues.  But how to see the difference between "many doctors to find help when help is hard to find and doctors are unhelpful" and "doctor shopping to hide the parents' issues" is near impossible.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 28, 2013, 08:29:25 AM
I know a mother who never takes her child to the same doctor twice. She gets his annual physicals at the independent urgent care centers. He is extremely small for his age and has a noticeable tick (both physical and verbal) that hinders his progress in school and social activities. He also has big issues with physical boundaries, wants to touch and hit everyone, in a playful manner according to the mom.

She and his father are so ehell bent on their son not being labeled that they refuse to even check if treatment is available. I gave her the cut once I realized this is not about the son, this is about them not wanting to have to do anything to help him.

He has been moved from school to school every year as well.  >:(
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Post by: artk2002 on August 28, 2013, 09:05:13 AM
My birthday comes up soon and I have a concert ticket for Beethoven's 9th!

I am unbelievably jealous!  I am learning to play that and would love to hear it done live - the way it's supposed to sound

One of my all-time favorite flash mobs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Redwing on August 28, 2013, 09:19:03 AM


One of my all-time favorite flash mobs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be)


Artk2002, thank you!  That was fantastic!
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Post by: gramma dishes on August 28, 2013, 09:38:27 AM
I know a mother who never takes her child to the same doctor twice. She gets his annual physicals at the independent urgent care centers. He is extremely small for his age and has a noticeable tick (both physical and verbal) that hinders his progress in school and social activities. He also has big issues with physical boundaries, wants to touch and hit everyone, in a playful manner according to the mom.

She and his father are so ehell bent on their son not being labeled that they refuse to even check if treatment is available. I gave her the cut once I realized this is not about the son, this is about them not wanting to have to do anything to help him.

He has been moved from school to school every year as well.  >:(

I'm surprised that his situation hasn't been brought to the attention of appropriate authorities (DCSF or whatever it is called there).  As a teacher, if I thought a child's needs were being deliberately neglected, I think I would have reported it.  I suppose that perhaps since he continuously changes both doctors AND schools, no one realizes that this is an ongoing thing.  Poor kid!   :(
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Post by: Betelnut on August 28, 2013, 09:48:44 AM


One of my all-time favorite flash mobs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be)


Artk2002, thank you!  That was fantastic!

Tears...
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Post by: ladyknight1 on August 28, 2013, 09:51:24 AM
I know a mother who never takes her child to the same doctor twice. She gets his annual physicals at the independent urgent care centers. He is extremely small for his age and has a noticeable tick (both physical and verbal) that hinders his progress in school and social activities. He also has big issues with physical boundaries, wants to touch and hit everyone, in a playful manner according to the mom.

She and his father are so ehell bent on their son not being labeled that they refuse to even check if treatment is available. I gave her the cut once I realized this is not about the son, this is about them not wanting to have to do anything to help him.

He has been moved from school to school every year as well.  >:(

I'm surprised that his situation hasn't been brought to the attention of appropriate authorities (DCSF or whatever it is called there).  As a teacher, if I thought a child's needs were being deliberately neglected, I think I would have reported it.  I suppose that perhaps since he continuously changes both doctors AND schools, no one realizes that this is an ongoing thing.  Poor kid!   :(

I was in a position to report neglect or abuse, but when I called, they told me this didn't fall under the requirements for either. I also failed to mention, there is no medical record trail for this boy, who is now 15.
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Post by: gramma dishes on August 28, 2013, 10:08:33 AM

I was in a position to report neglect or abuse, but when I called, they told me this didn't fall under the requirements for either. I also failed to mention, there is no medical record trail for this boy, who is now 15.

Now that's discouraging.   >:(

I know that in our state when we got a new student, we asked for their records from their old school at the time of enrollment.  Yes, they are sometimes "cleaned up" before they're sent out, but occasionally a teacher, school nurse, or other staff will enclose a note or make a notation on the folder itself if there have been perceived issues that have been unresolved.  Of course, I'm thinking of several years ago.  Maybe the "rules" have all changed since then. 

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Post by: artk2002 on August 28, 2013, 12:29:11 PM


One of my all-time favorite flash mobs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be)


Artk2002, thank you!  That was fantastic!

You're welcome. I think the original thanks go to EHellDame. I know that she likes flash mobs and I think (dim memory here), that she posted it on the blog originally.

I love seeing the faces of the people watching, especially the kids.

Tears...

Yeah, me too. I forgot to include that piece in the "Songs that make you cry" thread.
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Post by: stkatie00 on August 28, 2013, 12:55:20 PM


One of my all-time favorite flash mobs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be)


Artk2002, thank you!  That was fantastic!

You're welcome. I think the original thanks go to EHellDame. I know that she likes flash mobs and I think (dim memory here), that she posted it on the blog originally.

I love seeing the faces of the people watching, especially the kids.

Tears...

Yeah, me too. I forgot to include that piece in the "Songs that make you cry" thread.

I loved that! Thanks so much for sharing it! And I love the looks on the kids faces too.
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Post by: jpcher on November 05, 2013, 12:28:08 PM
Just a fast food funny that had me rolling my eyes a bit . . .

I went to a drive-thru last night and ordered a garden salad.

Fast Food Box: What kind of dressing would you like?

Me: Garlic, please.

FFB: Will that be all?

Me: I'd also like other stuff, please, and that's it.

FFB: Okay that was other stuff and a garden salad with thousand island dressing.

Me: I'd like garlic dressing please.

FFB: Oh. We don't have that.

Me (thinking you couldn't have said that in the first place? ??? No biggie.): Thousand island is fine.

I got home with our meal and guess what kind of dressing I had?

French. ::)


I don't know why, but that just sent me into a giggle fit. ;D
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Post by: Dazi on November 05, 2013, 12:45:30 PM
I was talking to a friend and she was Female Dog about how much they spend on halloween candy every year.  Her DH spent $500 on halloween candy and they ran out in 2 hours.   ??? ??? ???  I thought he was buying full bars or something, but no it was just was bags of mixed snack size from Sam's (the one that has Reese's, kitkats and such, it's 55 oz)...which run about $11.00 a bag and IMO are huge. 

That's over 40 bags and about 150 lbs worth of candy. I'd seriously find something else to do that day because there is no way I'd be spending that on candy every year.
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Post by: cabbagegirl28 on November 05, 2013, 05:30:37 PM
I was talking to a friend and she was Female Dog about how much they spend on halloween candy every year.  Her DH spent $500 on halloween candy and they ran out in 2 hours.   ??? ??? ???  I thought he was buying full bars or something, but no it was just was bags of mixed snack size from Sam's (the one that has Reese's, kitkats and such, it's 55 oz)...which run about $11.00 a bag and IMO are huge. 

That's over 40 bags and about 150 lbs worth of candy. I'd seriously find something else to do that day because there is no way I'd be spending that on candy every year.

Were the kids taking more than one piece of candy?
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Post by: Dazi on November 05, 2013, 06:54:20 PM
I was talking to a friend and she was Female Dog about how much they spend on halloween candy every year.  Her DH spent $500 on halloween candy and they ran out in 2 hours.   ??? ??? ???  I thought he was buying full bars or something, but no it was just was bags of mixed snack size from Sam's (the one that has Reese's, kitkats and such, it's 55 oz)...which run about $11.00 a bag and IMO are huge. 

That's over 40 bags and about 150 lbs worth of candy. I'd seriously find something else to do that day because there is no way I'd be spending that on candy every year.

Were the kids taking more than one piece of candy?

I have no idea.  Even if they were taking a few pieces, it's still a crazy amount of candy.

I only get one bag a year and give out a handful each and still have a ton left most years.  I just can't imagine going through over 40 bags of candy in 2 hours or so.
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Post by: andi on November 05, 2013, 09:12:16 PM
Wow - I felt like I went overboard with 3 bags. The main streets of our old neighborhood were like that - swarms of kids schlepped in from other areas. I felt bad for the people on those streets - I'd be turning off my light early
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Post by: Optimoose Prime on November 05, 2013, 10:29:28 PM
I only had one bag.  And there was candy left over.  Our neighborhood is not really set up for Trick or Treat.  It's very dark and the houses are pretty far apart.
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Post by: Betelnut on November 06, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
I've had to buy 5-6 bags and ran out but even 5-6 bags are only about 30 bucks.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on November 12, 2013, 09:22:21 AM
I'm trying to figure out the best way to organize my youngest son's toys.  Right now he has just a plastic bin with a lid, but it's not big enough for one (thanks to stuffed animals) and two, things just get blended in there so hard to teach him the "put one thing away before you play with another" idea because all the wooden train tracks are mixed in with blocks and Little People.

In the past, with the other two, we've used things like this, only cheaper.  Usually it would end up getting broken, or the plastic parts would break, etc. http://www.target.com/p/kidkraft-sort-it-and-store-it-bin-espresso/-/A-13939792#prodSlot=medium_1_24

I have been eyeing these systems, as he also needs a place to keep his books and it seems they could double as toy storage and a bookshelf.  Anyone have success with these and kids?

http://www.target.com/p/circo-9-cube-organizer-white/-/A-13765447#prodSlot=medium_1_3

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Post by: Dazi on November 12, 2013, 10:18:08 AM
piratelvr,

When I was a kid, I had one or two of those triangle shaped nets for stuffed animals...the ones you attach to the corner wall.  They worked great and freed up a lot of space.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on November 12, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
I've seen those, and wouldn't be against them. :)
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Post by: LadyDyani on November 12, 2013, 10:46:49 AM
Piratelvr1121, here's a few quick and easy tutorials:

Fabric:  http://www.lemonsqueezyhome.com/2011/02/stuffed-animal-net-tutorial.html

Tulle:  http://sharethesavings2011.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/diy-stuffed-animal-hammock/

Net:  http://hannahbelleoriginals.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/stuffed-animal-holder-tutorial/

I think I could make one of the net ones right now with scrap fabric I have in my sewing bin.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on November 12, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
Ooh, thanks!  I think I have some spare sheets and fabric I could use to make this rather quickly! :)  That would at least take care of the many stuffed animals this child has (I think he has 2 actually bought for him, the rest have been passed down)
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Post by: mathchick on November 12, 2013, 11:57:55 AM
I'm trying to figure out the best way to organize my youngest son's toys.  Right now he has just a plastic bin with a lid, but it's not big enough for one (thanks to stuffed animals) and two, things just get blended in there so hard to teach him the "put one thing away before you play with another" idea because all the wooden train tracks are mixed in with blocks and Little People.

I have been eyeing these systems, as he also needs a place to keep his books and it seems they could double as toy storage and a bookshelf.  Anyone have success with these and kids?

http://www.target.com/p/circo-9-cube-organizer-white/-/A-13765447#prodSlot=medium_1_3

I have those, and I'm not thrilled with them for toys.  For books, they're fine.  For toys they have cloth drawers that fit in them, but once the children can't see the stuff, it ends up being ignored, not to mention that the stuff ends up mixed together in the bins anyway.  Then again, I haven't found anything I love to store toys, so this could be as good as it gets.
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Post by: dawbs on November 12, 2013, 01:52:26 PM
I'm trying to figure out the best way to organize my youngest son's toys.  Right now he has just a plastic bin with a lid, but it's not big enough for one (thanks to stuffed animals) and two, things just get blended in there so hard to teach him the "put one thing away before you play with another" idea because all the wooden train tracks are mixed in with blocks and Little People.

In the past, with the other two, we've used things like this, only cheaper.  Usually it would end up getting broken, or the plastic parts would break, etc. http://www.target.com/p/kidkraft-sort-it-and-store-it-bin-espresso/-/A-13939792#prodSlot=medium_1_24

I have been eyeing these systems, as he also needs a place to keep his books and it seems they could double as toy storage and a bookshelf.  Anyone have success with these and kids?

http://www.target.com/p/circo-9-cube-organizer-white/-/A-13765447#prodSlot=medium_1_3

I've found the sturdy version of the 1st thing you posted is worth having--BUT, it has to be a expensive sturdy one.  (I don't remember what brand ours is, I got it at a yard sale and it's awesome.  Cheap ones make me want to just burn down the pile of mess they make).

For stuffed animals, I've been eyeballing one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Animal-Bag-Toy-Stuffed-Storage-Organizer-Solution-with-Mesh-Top-and-Zipper-/321247292558?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4acbd4ac8e

I may just make one.
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Post by: twiggy on November 12, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
I got an assortment of clear plastic bins. So action figures went in one, cars in another, the train and tracks in another, dinosaurs, etc. The smallest are shoe box sized and are only about a buck at Walmart, and they fit a lot of little toys. They stack really well, and it's easier to put things away because I can tell DS to put up his blocks before he gets out the cars. The medium and large sized bins have the same surface area, and the shoe box size are 1/2, so they all fit well together. (I don't know if I'm making any sense, but they really do stack well together.)
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Post by: Dindrane on November 12, 2013, 10:13:20 PM
I have shelves similar to what you posted you were thinking of, and honestly, I don't like them much. They do the job, and they aren't so cheap as to fall apart right away, but they just aren't that nice. If they were cheaper, I'd probably be okay with it, but I feel like I paid too much for what I ended up with, and I kind of hate the way they look.

In general, for inexpensive furniture that holds up, I am always happier when I go the IKEA route. With cube storage, for instance, I have one of these:
(http://img1.targetimg1.com/wcsstore/TargetSAS//img/p/12/19/12193627.jpg) (http://www.target.com/p/closetmaid-cubeicals-8-cube-organizer-white/-/A-12193627)
(ClosetMaid Cubeicals® 8 Cube Organizer - currently $66.99 at Target)

I have it on its side (so it's 2 cubes high and 4 cubes long), and it's okay. But the cubes are a little too small to store things well, it's too short to work well as a surface (but if I stood it up the other way I'd be worry about it tipping over), and honestly, it just looks cheap. I've had it for 5 or 6 years, and it's held up well enough, but I've disliked it for a long time.

More recently, I bought this:
(http://www.ikea.com/us/en/images/products/expedit-shelving-unit__0092710_PE229408_S4.JPG) (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50103086/#/10103088)
(Expedit shelving unit - currently $69.99 at IKEA)

I also have this one on its side, but since the cubes are bigger, they hold more and the whole thing is taller. The Expedit is about the height of a standard table or desk, which makes it a much more useful surface (at least for an adult). It also looks about a million times nicer than the ClosetMaid shelf I have.

In terms of price, I think the ClosetMaid shelf was a little cheaper when I bought it (more like $50), and I got the Expedit on sale when it was an IKEA Family special one month (so I think I paid $60 instead of $70). IKEA is much harder for me to get to than Target, but I am just so over buying furniture at Target. Most of it seems okay or even nice in theory, but I get it home and it's hard to put together, it doesn't look nice, and it often wears out far sooner than I think the price warrants. I don't think my IKEA furniture will last forever, but it's held up well so far and I'm still happy with it.

IKEA does also sell storage furniture intended for children - their Trofast and Stuva lines are the two that come to mind, but there may be others.

Basically, even though I have to drive 2 hours to get to IKEA and then schlep things back in my Honda Civic, I generally find it to be a worthwhile undertaking because I'm much happier with the furniture I get there than anything I've ever purchased locally.
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Post by: audhs on November 13, 2013, 12:11:27 AM
http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/categories/departments/childrens_ikea/20474/

We have these for toy storage, they work pretty good I've seen similar ones in other places. I like that there are direr rent sized bins.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on November 13, 2013, 05:17:14 AM
OOh I like those!  We don't have an Ikea very close to us (I think the closest one is in College Park) and typically what they have is not really my style for decorating, but those look good and I too like that they have the different sized bins.
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Post by: Bexx27 on November 13, 2013, 12:05:54 PM
We have the Expedit cube shelves from Ikea as well and I love them. They are incredibly versatile. We have an entertainment center version for our TV, other electronics, and DVDs. On another wall we have a larger unit that we use for books and toys. They are also great as room dividers.

I have not been pleased with furniture from Target. We got a sideboard and china cabinet there and they were falling apart within a few years. Our Ikea stuff was similarly priced and has held up much better.
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Post by: Sebastienne on November 13, 2013, 01:46:53 PM
The Expedit shelves are wonderful shelves. We have two sets that are bookshelves/LP storage AND room dividers, since they're double-sided. Super handy, and not unattractive.
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Post by: jpcher on November 13, 2013, 05:23:43 PM
When the DDs were younger I filled their room with storage drawers like this:

http://www.walmart.com/browse/storage-organization/drawers-carts/4044_90828_925639/?_refineresult=true&facet=category%3ADrawers%7C%7Ccategory%3ADrawer+Organizers&mmodule=1&_mm=

They come in different sizes and are stackable, too. Some are even one-level so that you can tuck them under the bed (this is where the DDs kept their shoes.)

The drawers are easy enough to remove and replace so if you separate the toys you (or your DS) can pull out one drawer with all crayons & paper or the one with all the trucks . . . easy enough to carry the whole drawer to a different room.

I put 3 of the 3 drawer ones side by side and duct taped them together (back and bottoms) so they didn't move apart (I didn't use the wheels).


You can find these really cheap, but the cheaper ones are flimsier. The pricier ones are worth the sturdiness. 15+ years later, I still have several in use and DD#1 brought a set to college with her.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on November 13, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
I have shelves similar to what you posted you were thinking of, and honestly, I don't like them much. They do the job, and they aren't so cheap as to fall apart right away, but they just aren't that nice. If they were cheaper, I'd probably be okay with it, but I feel like I paid too much for what I ended up with, and I kind of hate the way they look.

In general, for inexpensive furniture that holds up, I am always happier when I go the IKEA route. With cube storage, for instance, I have one of these:
(http://img1.targetimg1.com/wcsstore/TargetSAS//img/p/12/19/12193627.jpg) (http://www.target.com/p/closetmaid-cubeicals-8-cube-organizer-white/-/A-12193627)
(ClosetMaid Cubeicals® 8 Cube Organizer - currently $66.99 at Target)

I have it on its side (so it's 2 cubes high and 4 cubes long), and it's okay. But the cubes are a little too small to store things well, it's too short to work well as a surface (but if I stood it up the other way I'd be worry about it tipping over), and honestly, it just looks cheap. I've had it for 5 or 6 years, and it's held up well enough, but I've disliked it for a long time.

More recently, I bought this:
(http://www.ikea.com/us/en/images/products/expedit-shelving-unit__0092710_PE229408_S4.JPG) (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50103086/#/10103088)
(Expedit shelving unit - currently $69.99 at IKEA)

I also have this one on its side, but since the cubes are bigger, they hold more and the whole thing is taller. The Expedit is about the height of a standard table or desk, which makes it a much more useful surface (at least for an adult). It also looks about a million times nicer than the ClosetMaid shelf I have.

In terms of price, I think the ClosetMaid shelf was a little cheaper when I bought it (more like $50), and I got the Expedit on sale when it was an IKEA Family special one month (so I think I paid $60 instead of $70). IKEA is much harder for me to get to than Target, but I am just so over buying furniture at Target. Most of it seems okay or even nice in theory, but I get it home and it's hard to put together, it doesn't look nice, and it often wears out far sooner than I think the price warrants. I don't think my IKEA furniture will last forever, but it's held up well so far and I'm still happy with it.

IKEA does also sell storage furniture intended for children - their Trofast and Stuva lines are the two that come to mind, but there may be others.

Basically, even though I have to drive 2 hours to get to IKEA and then schlep things back in my Honda Civic, I generally find it to be a worthwhile undertaking because I'm much happier with the furniture I get there than anything I've ever purchased locally.

Closetmaid has similar systems, and they are available at Target. I bought a 6 pocket one.
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Post by: Dindrane on November 13, 2013, 08:23:17 PM

Closetmaid has similar systems, and they are available at Target. I bought a 6 pocket one.

Closetmaid is the white shelf I pictured in the post you quoted. I don't like it very much, and I thought it cost more than it was worth. The IKEA Expedit was only $10 or so more expensive, but it looks like real furniture that belongs in my living room. The Closetmaid shelf looks like a closet organizer, even though mine is filled with books.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on November 13, 2013, 08:35:15 PM
Mine is a dark cherry and wider than it is tall. I just got it last month.
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Post by: Dazi on November 15, 2013, 08:48:49 PM
While I don't have this happen often, occasionally I get wicked crazy food cravings.  Not too long ago it was pickles and bananas/tomato/ avocado and it turned out that I was slightly sodium deficient and a whole lot of potassium deficient...it was mostly due to the heat and becoming dehydrated due to working out/getting way sweaty.  The doc put me on a K supplement and a separate trace mineral one and told me to eat more salt and drink more water.

Now I'm craving nuts and almond milk.  I'm getting enough fat, my calorie count is fine, I'm eating a good variety of fruits/veges, fish, chicken/turkey, plenty of dairy, and a take a doctor prescribed round of multivitamins/trace mineral support. 

My hair, skin, and nails all look fantastic...when I have problems in those areas, something is usually way off.  So I'm kind of at a loss on this food craving.  Usually my food cravings, when they last more than a week ,are directly tied to mineral deficiencies, but I don't know what I could possible be missing at this point.  Most food cravings disappear after a serving or three of the craved food or drink and all is normal again.

I have an appointment for a routine checkup in a few days, so I guess we'll see if anything comes up in my bloodwork.  The waiting game is making me antsy..that and I've drank 1.5 gallons of almond milk in the past 4 days (it's kind of pricey) and now I'm out  :-[.
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Post by: violinp on November 15, 2013, 08:52:41 PM
While I don't have this happen often, occasionally I get wicked crazy food cravings.  Not too long ago it was pickles and bananas/tomato/ avocado and it turned out that I was slightly sodium deficient and a whole lot of potassium deficient...it was mostly due to the heat and becoming dehydrated due to working out/getting way sweaty.  The doc put me on a K supplement and a separate trace mineral one and told me to eat more salt and drink more water.

Now I'm craving nuts and almond milk.  I'm getting enough fat, my calorie count is fine, I'm eating a good variety of fruits/veges, fish, chicken/turkey, plenty of dairy, and a take a doctor prescribed round of multivitamins/trace mineral support. 

My hair, skin, and nails all look fantastic...when I have problems in those areas, something is usually way off.  So I'm kind of at a loss on this food craving.  Usually my food cravings, when they last more than a week ,are directly tied to mineral deficiencies, but I don't know what I could possible be missing at this point.  Most food cravings disappear after a serving or three of the craved food or drink and all is normal again.

I have an appointment for a routine checkup in a few days, so I guess we'll see if anything comes up in my bloodwork.  The waiting game is making me antsy..that and I've drank 1.5 gallons of almond milk in the past 4 days (it's kind of pricey) and now I'm out  :-[.

Protein, perhaps? Or maybe you just really like the taste of nuts? Other than that, I have nothing.
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Post by: Dazi on November 15, 2013, 09:08:42 PM
While I don't have this happen often, occasionally I get wicked crazy food cravings.  Not too long ago it was pickles and bananas/tomato/ avocado and it turned out that I was slightly sodium deficient and a whole lot of potassium deficient...it was mostly due to the heat and becoming dehydrated due to working out/getting way sweaty.  The doc put me on a K supplement and a separate trace mineral one and told me to eat more salt and drink more water.

Now I'm craving nuts and almond milk.  I'm getting enough fat, my calorie count is fine, I'm eating a good variety of fruits/veges, fish, chicken/turkey, plenty of dairy, and a take a doctor prescribed round of multivitamins/trace mineral support. 

My hair, skin, and nails all look fantastic...when I have problems in those areas, something is usually way off.  So I'm kind of at a loss on this food craving.  Usually my food cravings, when they last more than a week ,are directly tied to mineral deficiencies, but I don't know what I could possible be missing at this point.  Most food cravings disappear after a serving or three of the craved food or drink and all is normal again.

I have an appointment for a routine checkup in a few days, so I guess we'll see if anything comes up in my bloodwork.  The waiting game is making me antsy..that and I've drank 1.5 gallons of almond milk in the past 4 days (it's kind of pricey) and now I'm out  :-[.

Protein, perhaps? Or maybe you just really like the taste of nuts? Other than that, I have nothing.
Definitely not protein.  I'm getting  80-100 g daily per doc orders.  I was eating 40-60 prior to that, but something in my bloodwork showed I was burning muscle.  Doc said due to my activity level, I needed to seriously up it and my last workup showed that issue had been corrected by the change.
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Post by: Tea Drinker on November 15, 2013, 09:58:47 PM
While I don't have this happen often, occasionally I get wicked crazy food cravings.  Not too long ago it was pickles and bananas/tomato/ avocado and it turned out that I was slightly sodium deficient and a whole lot of potassium deficient...it was mostly due to the heat and becoming dehydrated due to working out/getting way sweaty.  The doc put me on a K supplement and a separate trace mineral one and told me to eat more salt and drink more water.

Now I'm craving nuts and almond milk.  I'm getting enough fat, my calorie count is fine, I'm eating a good variety of fruits/veges, fish, chicken/turkey, plenty of dairy, and a take a doctor prescribed round of multivitamins/trace mineral support. 

My hair, skin, and nails all look fantastic...when I have problems in those areas, something is usually way off.  So I'm kind of at a loss on this food craving.  Usually my food cravings, when they last more than a week ,are directly tied to mineral deficiencies, but I don't know what I could possible be missing at this point.  Most food cravings disappear after a serving or three of the craved food or drink and all is normal again.

I have an appointment for a routine checkup in a few days, so I guess we'll see if anything comes up in my bloodwork.  The waiting game is making me antsy..that and I've drank 1.5 gallons of almond milk in the past 4 days (it's kind of pricey) and now I'm out  :-[.

What sort of potassium supplement? I went looking for a potassium supplement a while ago (I was having the sort of calf muscle cramps that can be caused by being a little low on potassium), and the drugstore didn't have one. Nor is there any potassium in my partner's multivitamin; apparently it's a lot harder to get into supplements than other desirable minerals. I'm getting the potassium I need from orange juice and bananas, and keeping low-sodium salt substitutes, which include potassium chloride, in mind. (I got as far as putting KCl on my shopping list, and then the store had ripe bananas again.) But if there's a potassium supplement that doesn't taste salty, I'd like to know.
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Post by: Dazi on November 15, 2013, 10:17:07 PM
^^^ pm'd you tea drinker
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Post by: jedikaiti on November 15, 2013, 10:25:50 PM
While I don't have this happen often, occasionally I get wicked crazy food cravings.  Not too long ago it was pickles and bananas/tomato/ avocado and it turned out that I was slightly sodium deficient and a whole lot of potassium deficient...it was mostly due to the heat and becoming dehydrated due to working out/getting way sweaty.  The doc put me on a K supplement and a separate trace mineral one and told me to eat more salt and drink more water.

Now I'm craving nuts and almond milk.  I'm getting enough fat, my calorie count is fine, I'm eating a good variety of fruits/veges, fish, chicken/turkey, plenty of dairy, and a take a doctor prescribed round of multivitamins/trace mineral support. 

My hair, skin, and nails all look fantastic...when I have problems in those areas, something is usually way off.  So I'm kind of at a loss on this food craving.  Usually my food cravings, when they last more than a week ,are directly tied to mineral deficiencies, but I don't know what I could possible be missing at this point.  Most food cravings disappear after a serving or three of the craved food or drink and all is normal again.

I have an appointment for a routine checkup in a few days, so I guess we'll see if anything comes up in my bloodwork.  The waiting game is making me antsy..that and I've drank 1.5 gallons of almond milk in the past 4 days (it's kind of pricey) and now I'm out  :-[.

What sort of potassium supplement? I went looking for a potassium supplement a while ago (I was having the sort of calf muscle cramps that can be caused by being a little low on potassium), and the drugstore didn't have one. Nor is there any potassium in my partner's multivitamin; apparently it's a lot harder to get into supplements than other desirable minerals. I'm getting the potassium I need from orange juice and bananas, and keeping low-sodium salt substitutes, which include potassium chloride, in mind. (I got as far as putting KCl on my shopping list, and then the store had ripe bananas again.) But if there's a potassium supplement that doesn't taste salty, I'd like to know.

I get nighttime leg cramps, and I've found some calcium-magnesium citrate before bed helps, and my great uncle swears by it. Dunno if that might be any help for you too.

I expect the reason you're having trouble finding potassium supplements is that it is (IIRC) relatively easy to take too much, and the effects of too much are Rather Bad.
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Post by: Dazi on November 16, 2013, 09:35:58 AM
While I don't have this happen often, occasionally I get wicked crazy food cravings.  Not too long ago it was pickles and bananas/tomato/ avocado and it turned out that I was slightly sodium deficient and a whole lot of potassium deficient...it was mostly due to the heat and becoming dehydrated due to working out/getting way sweaty.  The doc put me on a K supplement and a separate trace mineral one and told me to eat more salt and drink more water.

Now I'm craving nuts and almond milk.  I'm getting enough fat, my calorie count is fine, I'm eating a good variety of fruits/veges, fish, chicken/turkey, plenty of dairy, and a take a doctor prescribed round of multivitamins/trace mineral support. 

My hair, skin, and nails all look fantastic...when I have problems in those areas, something is usually way off.  So I'm kind of at a loss on this food craving.  Usually my food cravings, when they last more than a week ,are directly tied to mineral deficiencies, but I don't know what I could possible be missing at this point.  Most food cravings disappear after a serving or three of the craved food or drink and all is normal again.

I have an appointment for a routine checkup in a few days, so I guess we'll see if anything comes up in my bloodwork.  The waiting game is making me antsy..that and I've drank 1.5 gallons of almond milk in the past 4 days (it's kind of pricey) and now I'm out  :-[.

Got a weird update thanks to my PT.  I was telling her about this, she goes to the fridge and pulls out a thing of coconut water and tells me to drink it.  Let me just say, I hate coconut water.  I find it nasty tasting and slimy going down.  PT knows this, but tells me to humor her and drink it. 

It was SO good.  She had me drink another and asked how I felt.  Hmmm, better, much better in fact.  The gnawing craving for nuts gone.  She seems to think my potassium or magnesium levels may be low and I'm still a bit dehydrated.  I went to the grocery store after I left there and I actually forgot to get the almond milk.

Though she did say, the almond milk isn't a problem and it's okay if I drink several glasses a day since I only like the plain unsweetened kind.
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Post by: AngelicGamer on November 18, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
So, I watched the Tales from the TARDIS special on BBC America tonight.  And in the interview parts, they had Tom Baker.  Since I only heard his voice, I thought it was a way back interview thingie.  Nope, he's alive.

I now have to move him from actors I thought were dead to actors who are really alive.  *Facepalm*  I feel like such a bad Whovian thinking the fourth Doctor's actor was dead.  Maybe it's because Elisabeth Sladen died in 2011, so my mind thought he was gone too?  Meh.  Don't know.
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Post by: Redwing on December 06, 2013, 09:40:55 AM
This is funny and adorable! 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/dogs-terrified-of-walking-past-cats_n_4276499.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green
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Post by: LadyDyani on December 08, 2013, 02:11:03 PM
This is funny and adorable! 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/dogs-terrified-of-walking-past-cats_n_4276499.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green

Wow, some of those cats were pretty mean.
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Post by: Onyx_TKD on January 08, 2014, 08:26:32 PM
New topic that doesn't deserve its own thread: Ever heard someone talk and been unable to stop picturing someone else who they sound like?  ;D

I'm currently sitting in the Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Department of a university, and can overhear a professor meeting with people in his office. For some reason, this guy sounds just like Robert Downey, Jr.'s portrayal of Tony Stark to me. I'm not sure if it's the accent, or the timbre of the voice, or what, but now I can't stop picturing Tony Stark having commandeered a professor's office and screwing with the poor students coming in for office hours, just for fun. Or maybe we've got a new class in how to build Iron Man suits this quarter.  ;)
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Post by: kherbert05 on January 20, 2014, 07:14:55 AM
Cost is one reason why I don't have a drivers licence, I think that with the latest regulations it's gone up to about 2000 euros (so about $2600), I can't afford that plus the cost of owning a car, taking the bus is 48 euros per month. When I graduated high school my father offered to pay for the licence or a computer, I chose the computer and it was more useful in my studies (at the time the lucence cost about as much as the first iMacs).
Honestly if we had public transportation and a way to evacuate when a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane was coming our way, I wouldn't own a car. But I live in Houston which was built for a driving culture.
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Post by: Twik on January 20, 2014, 11:18:30 AM
New topic that doesn't deserve its own thread: Ever heard someone talk and been unable to stop picturing someone else who they sound like?  ;D

I'm currently sitting in the Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Department of a university, and can overhear a professor meeting with people in his office. For some reason, this guy sounds just like Robert Downey, Jr.'s portrayal of Tony Stark to me. I'm not sure if it's the accent, or the timbre of the voice, or what, but now I can't stop picturing Tony Stark having commandeered a professor's office and screwing with the poor students coming in for office hours, just for fun. Or maybe we've got a new class in how to build Iron Man suits this quarter.  ;)

I would so love to take that class!
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on January 21, 2014, 06:16:24 PM
Me too.  I might have a crush on RDJr. :) Anyone hear him sing with Sting? *swoon!*
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Post by: oz diva on January 21, 2014, 10:00:25 PM
So, I watched the Tales from the TARDIS special on BBC America tonight.  And in the interview parts, they had Tom Baker.  Since I only heard his voice, I thought it was a way back interview thingie.  Nope, he's alive.

I now have to move him from actors I thought were dead to actors who are really alive.  *Facepalm*  I feel like such a bad Whovian thinking the fourth Doctor's actor was dead.  Maybe it's because Elisabeth Sladen died in 2011, so my mind thought he was gone too?  Meh.  Don't know.
He was the very odd narrator in Little Britain, in case you ever saw that show. He has such a distinctive voice.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 11, 2014, 10:12:56 AM
Over the past few years, I have become more involved in internet chats and forums.

On several, people use all caps and say that is the only way they can see. I know seeing characters on a computer screen is different than vision outside, but I have also noticed a lot of the same people mention that they are driving, even though they say their sight is bad in general.

I know in the US, there are minimum vision standards to get and maintain a driving license, and I was curious if that is the case in other places.

I am very near sighted and had a -6.0 RX at one time, which is down to -4.0 now, and I wear progressive bifocals for close work and reading.

Visual disabilities can vary greatly. What do you think?
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Post by: Dazi on April 11, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
Lady Knight,

It could be they are farsighted.   They can see fine for driving and such  but up close is super lousy.
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Post by: VorFemme on April 11, 2014, 11:38:06 AM
VorGuy has lost his original phone charger & is using a generic replacement.

He has lost his cell phone several times.  He is currently using my previous phone (kept as a spare & used to keep a battery charged so that he can swap that battery into his phone if he forgets to plug it in) - although the original did get turned in eventually to the Lost & Found and he has it.  I'm just not swapping the activation back this quickly.  So I need both of them to transfer the data to a micro SD card & then from the card to the phone he's using.

He mislays various other pocket contents and such on a regular basis.  He has been doing this the entire time we've been married, since he was 22 - so it is nothing NEW.   It's just no less annoying over 35 years ago than it was when we were newlyweds.
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 11, 2014, 11:46:45 AM
If he's using smartphones, there are apps that can help you locate lost phones.

I just wish my DH would use the stupid case I bought him for his phone. He keeps dropping the thing.
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Post by: VorFemme on April 11, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
NOT a smart phone - he doesn't want to pay for the data plan and he knows he sets them down without remembering WHERE - so he has a "semi-smart" phone - it could text, etc. - if he had a data plan for it or was willing to pay the price for individual texts.

I have been known to grab my phone & call his so that we can track the ringing - only works if it's in the house with us.  If no ring tone starts, I check his car, or tell him to check his desk when he gets to work...

Sometimes he ends up at the lost & found before it turns up.  Sometimes, it's in the car...if he forgot to put it on the charger, I swap in the charged spare battery & he's good to go.  The "missing" charger might be at work or it might be in a suitcase from our vacation - he doesn't always unpack everything....
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Post by: AngelicGamer on April 11, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
Over the past few years, I have become more involved in internet chats and forums.

On several, people use all caps and say that is the only way they can see. I know seeing characters on a computer screen is different than vision outside, but I have also noticed a lot of the same people mention that they are driving, even though they say their sight is bad in general.

I know in the US, there are minimum vision standards to get and maintain a driving license, and I was curious if that is the case in other places.

I am very near sighted and had a -6.0 RX at one time, which is down to -4.0 now, and I wear progressive bifocals for close work and reading.

Visual disabilities can vary greatly. What do you think?

As someone with a visual disability, I would educate these all caps people on the zoom feature that web browsers (both Flamingvixen and Chrome, probably IE too) have.  In Chrome, they can just go to the menu and fix the zoom from there.  Plus, AIM will zoom in as well or they could change their text size in order to see.  Not sure what chat you're using, but the font change should help them the best instead of just zooming in.  If I started using all caps and went "it's the only way I could see", my friends would be telling me to just change the font already.  ;)
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 11, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
They do use the zoom function as well. I'm at a loss as to more suggestions.
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Post by: AngelicGamer on April 11, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
They do use the zoom function as well. I'm at a loss as to more suggestions.

Have they tried changing font size then?  Other than that, I'm not sure either. 
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Post by: magicdomino on April 11, 2014, 04:11:08 PM
They do use the zoom function as well. I'm at a loss as to more suggestions.

Have they tried changing font size then?  Other than that, I'm not sure either.

My sister changed to a larger font size.  Now the capital letters are REALLY BIG.

 ::)
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Post by: gramma dishes on April 11, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
...   Now the capital letters are REALLY BIG.


When I see whole sentences or even paragraphs written in all caps I just don't deal with it.  I skip reading it entirely. 

A couple of words for emphasis like the 'REALLY BIG' above is fine.  But for some reason I find it very hard to read a text that's all in caps.  It's kind of like my brain goes numb and I have to individually 'interpret' each word.
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 11, 2014, 05:21:42 PM
...   Now the capital letters are REALLY BIG.


When I see whole sentences or even paragraphs written in all caps I just don't deal with it.  I skip reading it entirely. 

A couple of words for emphasis like the 'REALLY BIG' above is fine.  But for some reason I find it very hard to read a text that's all in caps.  It's kind of like my brain goes numb and I have to individually 'interpret' each word.

It hurts my eyes!
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Post by: mime on September 26, 2014, 12:42:02 PM
Not big enough for a whole thread:

I went to an oriental takeout place during lunch (I probably go there every week), and when I tried to pay, my credit card was expired and I had no cash on me. Not only did I have no way to pay, but I was very pregnant and very hungry. :P I was ready to apologize and leave without a lunch. The guy at the register was the owner, and just said "I'll take your name and you pay me later". Wow. Not many businesses still do that for a person.

I was so grateful that the next day I brought my payment for the food along with a thank you note and a gift card for Caribou. So I gave the owner of an eatery a gift card for another eatery. Was that just a really bone-headed move? I'm trying to console myself now with thoughts like "well, it's the thought that counts", "he doesn't have coffee and pastries at his shop", etc.  ???

I just wanted to let him know how much his kindness meant to me.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on September 26, 2014, 01:00:53 PM
No. People in the food industry enjoy eating out at different companies as much as anyone else.
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Post by: jedikaiti on September 26, 2014, 01:04:35 PM
No. People in the food industry enjoy eating out at different companies as much as anyone else.

Perhaps even more so.
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on September 26, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
No. People in the food industry enjoy eating out at different companies as much as anyone else.

Perhaps even more so.

I know if I owned, say, a pizza place, after a while I'd be thankful for something that isn't pizza that I wouldn't have to pay for.[1]

[1] Yes, I know the food isn't free to the owners... but it's not direst out-of-pocket money.
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Post by: violinp on September 26, 2014, 01:55:59 PM
No. People in the food industry enjoy eating out at different companies as much as anyone else.

Perhaps even more so.

This. There's a little sub place in the mall I love to go, because it's far enough away that I don't have to smell the popcorn. My co - workers love the Chinese place just next to the sub place.
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Post by: audhs on September 30, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
I don't know if anyone's reading this thread anymore but I was wondering something.  ;D

I was reading a bio of someone recently and it stated that this woman had been orphaned at the age of 23.  I always thought to be an orphan you needed to be a child, I've never heard anyone refer to an adult as being an orphan.

Thoughts? I realize it's probably technically correct but it just seemed odd.

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Post by: gramma dishes on September 30, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
I don't know if anyone's reading this thread anymore but I was wondering something.  ;D

I was reading a bio of someone recently and it stated that this woman had been orphaned at the age of 23.  I always thought to be an orphan you needed to be a child, I've never heard anyone refer to an adult as being an orphan.

Thoughts? I realize it's probably technically correct but it just seemed odd.

I think of orphans as being children under 18 or maybe 21 who haven't yet left their parents to be on their own, but especially very young children.  I think it was probably just a clumsy way of saying her parents died (or the last one died) when she was 23, so 'young' but not a child.

The only time I can think of when one might refer to an older adult as being orphaned would be if the child has a mental or extreme physical disability that makes him/her dependent on parental care indefinitely.
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Post by: mime on October 01, 2014, 10:31:45 AM
I've really only heard the term used when someone is still a minor. I have trouble imagining that label on a 23 year old, even if he/she was, say, a college student living at home.

Maybe, as grandma dishes said: if she wasn't able to live independently and there was a need to find ongoing care or protection for an adult child after the death of the parents, then I could understand the "orphaned" claim.

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Post by: ladyknight1 on October 01, 2014, 10:45:38 AM
I have a friend who is 'adopting' a special needs person in their 20's, so the friend can help care for the person and make decisions regarding their care.
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Post by: audhs on October 01, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who didn't think it sounded quite right. ;)
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Post by: Tea Drinker on October 01, 2014, 03:28:44 PM
I've read/heard older people refer to themselves as orphans, but it's usually a way of talking about grief or loneliness. They aren't comparing themselves to someone who lost their parents as a child, but using that word to indicate an emotional gap and/or grief. "I was orphaned at 27" would seem odd even from someone who said "I can't go home for Christmas, I'm an orphan" because their parents are dead, and Christmas dinner at the home of a cousin isn't "going home."
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Post by: JoW on October 01, 2014, 08:44:34 PM
Over the past few years, I have become more involved in internet chats and forums.

On several, people use all caps and say that is the only way they can see. I know seeing characters on a computer screen is different than vision outside, but I have also noticed a lot of the same people mention that they are driving, even though they say their sight is bad in general.

I know in the US, there are minimum vision standards to get and maintain a driving license, and I was curious if that is the case in other places.

I am very near sighted and had a -6.0 RX at one time, which is down to -4.0 now, and I wear progressive bifocals for close work and reading.

Visual disabilities can vary greatly. What do you think?

I knew someone on another board who typed in all caps because she had MS.  She was so severely  handicapped she had a hard time switching between upper and lower case.  So we created the Evelyn Rule - Evelyn could type any way her body would let her.  The rest of us switched back and forth like we do here. 

Evelyn died a while back. 



(I'm in the US.  The eye doctor and the highway patrol have told me to not even think about driving without glasses.  I agree with them.  I keep a recent outdated pair in my car in case my good glasses break while I'm away from home.)
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Post by: Twik on October 06, 2014, 08:36:42 AM
They do use the zoom function as well. I'm at a loss as to more suggestions.

Have they tried changing font size then?  Other than that, I'm not sure either.

My sister changed to a larger font size.  Now the capital letters are REALLY BIG.

 ::)

Lol!

If you wanted to blow their minds, you might introduce them to CNTL-Scrollwheel.
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Post by: WolfWay on October 07, 2014, 01:06:32 AM
I not offended by the term USian. I just don't agree anymore with the idea that US citizens are trouncing on other countries rights by continuing to use a term to describe citizens of the United States of America. As my teen son pointed out, we are the only country with the word in our name. It was used to identify us when we were still a colony.

Sorry to resurrect a really old discussion, and I can't find any reference to this on the board, but I just wanted to point out that another country can arguably be said to have "America" in it's name. "American Samoa".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoa

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/american_samoa.htm

(granted, it's considered an unincorporated part of America, but it's still listed as a seperate country in many lists of countries of the world).
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Post by: WolfWay on October 07, 2014, 01:12:24 AM
I've really only heard the term used when someone is still a minor. I have trouble imagining that label on a 23 year old, even if he/she was, say, a college student living at home.

Maybe, as grandma dishes said: if she wasn't able to live independently and there was a need to find ongoing care or protection for an adult child after the death of the parents, then I could understand the "orphaned" claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_adult_adoption

From wiki: "Japanese adult adoption is the practice in Japan of legally and socially accepting a nonconsanguineal adult into an offspring role of a family. The centuries-old practice was developed as a mechanism for families to attenuate their family name, estate and ancestry without an unwieldy reliance on blood lines. Still common today, adult adoption is a dynamic tool for social and economic mobility."
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Post by: Elisabunny on October 19, 2014, 01:05:02 PM
When my middle daughter will be out from school for a few months with her medical issues, she is hoping to continue remotely with her regular classes, skyping when possible.  Yes, we have already talked with the teachers. 

What I was wondering, it would be cool if she had a webcam attached to the tablet she'll be using, that she can control that would allow her to follow the teacher.  Can anyone tell me what to look for, or recommend a brand that is reliable but not terribly expensive?
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Post by: Hmmmmm on October 19, 2014, 04:38:58 PM
When my middle daughter will be out from school for a few months with her medical issues, she is hoping to continue remotely with her regular classes, skyping when possible.  Yes, we have already talked with the teachers. 

What I was wondering, it would be cool if she had a webcam attached to the tablet she'll be using, that she can control that would allow her to follow the teacher.  Can anyone tell me what to look for, or recommend a brand that is reliable but not terribly expensive?
Are you talking about putting a tablet in the classroom with the camera on it that she can remotely control? Just trying to clarify the need.
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Post by: Elisabunny on October 19, 2014, 05:57:14 PM
When my middle daughter will be out from school for a few months with her medical issues, she is hoping to continue remotely with her regular classes, skyping when possible.  Yes, we have already talked with the teachers. 

What I was wondering, it would be cool if she had a webcam attached to the tablet she'll be using, that she can control that would allow her to follow the teacher.  Can anyone tell me what to look for, or recommend a brand that is reliable but not terribly expensive?
Are you talking about putting a tablet in the classroom with the camera on it that she can remotely control? Just trying to clarify the need.

That's what I thinking of trying, anyway.  If it's possible/doable.
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Post by: jpcher on October 19, 2014, 06:16:56 PM
As far as I know the controlling (video focus movement) part needs to come from the sender. So your DD will not have control because she's on the receiving end of the video.

Think about skyping, you can only see what the sender shows you.
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Post by: random numbers on October 19, 2014, 06:25:56 PM
Something like this?

http://www.swivl.com
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Post by: Hmmmmm on October 19, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
When my middle daughter will be out from school for a few months with her medical issues, she is hoping to continue remotely with her regular classes, skyping when possible.  Yes, we have already talked with the teachers. 

What I was wondering, it would be cool if she had a webcam attached to the tablet she'll be using, that she can control that would allow her to follow the teacher.  Can anyone tell me what to look for, or recommend a brand that is reliable but not terribly expensive?
Are you talking about putting a tablet in the classroom with the camera on it that she can remotely control? Just trying to clarify the need.

That's what I thinking of trying, anyway.  If it's possible/doable.

What your wanting is a camera that allows "Far end control" meaning the remote person can zoom, tilt and pan the camera. I'm not aware of any that has that functionality that under $1k. Hinestky your biggest challenge will be the microphone quality to allow her to hear the teacher. I'd start with something like the Microsoft Livecam studio. It has wide screen and a good mic with noise reduction technology. It's about $70 on Amazon or Best Buy.
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Post by: aka on October 19, 2014, 07:21:44 PM
A woman claimed to have been pregnant with twins, then spun an elaborate tale of their death, complete with a funeral service. She also convinced one child and his doctors that he had gallbladder cancer, and his gallbladder was removed, then that he had kidney issues. A daughter was treated for cancer, which she did not have. This woman is beyond belief.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/08/27/munchausen-mom-how-one-woman-fabricated-pregnancy-and-deaths-imaginary-twins/ (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/08/27/munchausen-mom-how-one-woman-fabricated-pregnancy-and-deaths-imaginary-twins/)

I know that this is an old post, but this reminded me of the following story:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-06-12/news/0906111114_1_hoax-anti-abortion-miracle-baby

Here's what's crazy - I went to school with this woman and was friends with her briefly during junior high. Let's just say that when I read this story, I was not actually surprised.

(edited to add: I have no intention of bringing the political/religious aspects of this story to the board - just the fact that she fabricated a child and scammed readers)
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Post by: kherbert05 on October 19, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
When my middle daughter will be out from school for a few months with her medical issues, she is hoping to continue remotely with her regular classes, skyping when possible.  Yes, we have already talked with the teachers. 

What I was wondering, it would be cool if she had a webcam attached to the tablet she'll be using, that she can control that would allow her to follow the teacher.  Can anyone tell me what to look for, or recommend a brand that is reliable but not terribly expensive?

You might check with your district's IT department especially the campus CITS if they have one.

If your daughter's classes are self contained something like our "portable" distance learning carts could be used for this. They have excellent mikes and her classmates and teacher could see her.

One problem with skyping is it will be taking up a whole computer. For example if they use the teacher's workstation - I'm not sure they can skype and control the promethean/smart board. Even if the software allows it, school computers tend to be under powered. Also, I know we had bandwith problems when we tried to skype instead of using the distance learning carts. The cart went through a different network.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on November 04, 2014, 03:55:05 PM
Okay, I've got a question with a sad reason for asking.  A family in our church recently lost their youngest child.  He was 8 months old and had been born with a lot of health issues.  Due to which he spent the majority of his all too short life in the hospital and it's all been really rough (understandably) on his family. 

The viewing and celebration of life is this week and I want to go and show support but I just don't have the foggiest idea as to what to say. I've never attended the funeral or viewing for a child at all, let alone one this young. 

Any suggestions on what to do or say?
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Post by: TootsNYC on November 04, 2014, 04:05:05 PM
Dazi - your story reminds me of a trip I took with my ex some years ago.

We were both on motorcycles, and one evening stopped at a town called Glen Innes in NSW.  This town is in an area known as the Granite Belt, and is well known for the large and numerous rocks around town.

Well, we made our booking for a cabin at the local caravan park, and slowly followed the manager to the unit - she walking, us riding slowly behind her.

As we got closer, I noticed a Rock.  Yes, it deserves a capital letter - it was about three times larger than the cabin, and right.next.to.it.  So I called out to Ex, "Watch out for the rock!"  She replied "What rock?"   ???

For sometime afterwards, 'What rock?' became a by-word for the flagrantly obvious.

Well, I can see that a HUGE rock is not something I'd think I needed to watch out for. If you said 'watch out for a rock,' I'd think it was something I could hit with a motorcycle, something I was in danger of missing. I wouldn't miss seeing a rock the larger than the cabin.

It would be less that I didn't see it and more that I didn't think it was what you were talking about.
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Post by: TootsNYC on November 04, 2014, 04:08:08 PM
Okay, I've got a question with a sad reason for asking.  A family in our church recently lost their youngest child.  He was 8 months old and had been born with a lot of health issues.  Due to which he spent the majority of his all too short life in the hospital and it's all been really rough (understandably) on his family. 

The viewing and celebration of life is this week and I want to go and show support but I just don't have the foggiest idea as to what to say. I've never attended the funeral or viewing for a child at all, let alone one this young. 

Any suggestions on what to do or say?


Say, "I love you." My mom once said, "I love you so hard."

Say, "I'm hurting for you, and I wish I could hold your heart."

Say, "We're thinking of you."

Say, "We're holding you in our prayers."

Don't try to say more. It's not needed. And these are the most powerful things you can do for them--and in a way, the only things you can do for them.
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Post by: Twik on November 04, 2014, 04:13:38 PM
A woman claimed to have been pregnant with twins, then spun an elaborate tale of their death, complete with a funeral service. She also convinced one child and his doctors that he had gallbladder cancer, and his gallbladder was removed, then that he had kidney issues. A daughter was treated for cancer, which she did not have. This woman is beyond belief.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/08/27/munchausen-mom-how-one-woman-fabricated-pregnancy-and-deaths-imaginary-twins/ (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/08/27/munchausen-mom-how-one-woman-fabricated-pregnancy-and-deaths-imaginary-twins/)

I know that this is an old post, but this reminded me of the following story:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-06-12/news/0906111114_1_hoax-anti-abortion-miracle-baby

Here's what's crazy - I went to school with this woman and was friends with her briefly during junior high. Let's just say that when I read this story, I was not actually surprised.

(edited to add: I have no intention of bringing the political/religious aspects of this story to the board - just the fact that she fabricated a child and scammed readers)

Oh my goodness, she was a social worker? Imagine being in a bad place in your life, and being given someone with that loose connection with reality to be your support.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on November 04, 2014, 04:26:56 PM
Okay, I've got a question with a sad reason for asking.  A family in our church recently lost their youngest child.  He was 8 months old and had been born with a lot of health issues.  Due to which he spent the majority of his all too short life in the hospital and it's all been really rough (understandably) on his family. 

The viewing and celebration of life is this week and I want to go and show support but I just don't have the foggiest idea as to what to say. I've never attended the funeral or viewing for a child at all, let alone one this young. 

Any suggestions on what to do or say?


Say, "I love you." My mom once said, "I love you so hard."

Say, "I'm hurting for you, and I wish I could hold your heart."

Say, "We're thinking of you."

Say, "We're holding you in our prayers."

Don't try to say more. It's not needed. And these are the most powerful things you can do for them--and in a way, the only things you can do for them.

Thanks, I think I'll probably go with the last two options and if they seem amenable to hugging, I'll give them one, or handshake, whichever.
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Post by: gramma dishes on November 04, 2014, 07:10:36 PM

Thanks, I think I'll probably go with the last two options and if they seem amenable to hugging, I'll give them one, or handshake, whichever.

If the people are not close enough to you to accept a gentle hug, I would not offer a handshake.  To me, it just seems a little too cold and business like. 

I'd just say "I'm so sorry."  -- and maybe if it makes sense considering your relationship -- "Is there anything I can do?"
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Post by: TootsNYC on November 04, 2014, 07:46:53 PM

Thanks, I think I'll probably go with the last two options and if they seem amenable to hugging, I'll give them one, or handshake, whichever.

If the people are not close enough to you to accept a gentle hug, I would not offer a handshake.  To me, it just seems a little too cold and business like. 

I'd just say "I'm so sorry."  -- and maybe if it makes sense considering your relationship -- "Is there anything I can do?"

You can reach out and take hold of their hand(s), instead of a business-style handshake.
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Post by: zyrs on November 09, 2014, 05:15:32 PM
This thread  Selling a house ... is this normal? (http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=136078.0) and the talk about genealogy photographs reminded me of this incident.

My mother had started going to garage/estate/yard sales when they first became a thing back in the late 1960s/early 1970s.  One day I noticed a photograph in an antique frame and when I asked her about it she told me it was our ancestor (person's name) and that I hadn't seen it before because she'd just found the right frame to display it in.  Then she told me some story about them being a whaler or fisherman or boat captain.  So I said; " Okay." and went back to what I was doing because even as a child I didn't much like photos and didn't find them compelling at all.  And the photo became background like the rest of the knick-knacks and I never thought about it much again.

So then it came to be about 2004 and my mom was packing to move.  And then she tells me that it's just a photo she'd bought at a garage sale and this person wasn't related to us at all.  And then asked me if I wanted it.  And I said; " Why would I want it?" which I know now was probably not the nicest or most polite way to say it.

It just reminded me that sometimes you are going to see old family photos donated because the people that donate them aren't actually related to the people in the photograph

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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on November 09, 2014, 05:23:48 PM

Thanks, I think I'll probably go with the last two options and if they seem amenable to hugging, I'll give them one, or handshake, whichever.

If the people are not close enough to you to accept a gentle hug, I would not offer a handshake.  To me, it just seems a little too cold and business like. 

I'd just say "I'm so sorry."  -- and maybe if it makes sense considering your relationship -- "Is there anything I can do?"

You can reach out and take hold of their hand(s), instead of a business-style handshake.

Thought I'd update. I went and did end up giving the mother a hug as in the moment it just felt right.  Didn't hug the father of the boy but listened as he talked about the child's journey a bit.  There were photos all over of the little sweetie, and a beautiful afghan with his photo on it.  The casket was thankfully closed (I worried, as any viewing I'd ever been to had it open) but it was so small... :'( :'(

I kept in mind that circle others have shared and since the family seemed composed, I did not let myself get too teary upon seeing the casket and photos and just gave my sympathies. 
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Post by: ladyknight1 on November 10, 2014, 08:54:46 PM
It makes me sad that people won't help themselves, even with plenty of notice.

My SIL made major life plans two years ago and gave her cousin, who lived with her, notice. Every six months, SIL would update the time line and remind her cousin. One year out, SIL told cousin to stop paying rent, save that money so she could move with her minor daughter.

SIL had the one month chat, to find out that cousin did not save any money. Had only enough to pay a deposit and first months rent on a very small apartment and could not take her cat with her.

It makes me very sad that cousin was not proactive, and that she and her daughter are sharing a one bedroom apartment because that is all they could afford, after all the notice and free rent she had. Sigh.
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Post by: gramma dishes on November 10, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
... One year out, SIL told cousin to stop paying rent, save that money so she could move with her minor daughter.  ...



In hindsight it seems would probably have been wiser for SIL to continue collecting rent for that last year and then just as a surprise "moving out" gift, she could have returned the one years rent to her cousin.  But to be honest, even if she had done that, it's sadly pretty obvious that that money would have been spent quickly and probably frivolously and cousin would be right back where she started.  I don't know why, but some people just don't "get" how to handle money.
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Post by: poundcake on November 11, 2014, 06:34:02 AM
... One year out, SIL told cousin to stop paying rent, save that money so she could move with her minor daughter.  ...



In hindsight it seems would probably have been wiser for SIL to continue collecting rent for that last year and then just as a surprise "moving out" gift, she could have returned the one years rent to her cousin.  But to be honest, even if she had done that, it's sadly pretty obvious that that money would have been spent quickly and probably frivolously and cousin would be right back where she started.  I don't know why, but some people just don't "get" how to handle money.

No kidding. This is my mom, to a t. No matter what you try to do to help, they self-sabotage. Until they decide that they are going to get the therapy they need, nothing you do will fix it.

I'm here because I feel like complaining about the time change. I love winter and dark coziness, but I really wish it didn't start getting dark where I am at 3:30 in the afternoon. Isn't there a happy medium?!
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Post by: athersgeo on November 11, 2014, 07:28:40 AM
... One year out, SIL told cousin to stop paying rent, save that money so she could move with her minor daughter.  ...



In hindsight it seems would probably have been wiser for SIL to continue collecting rent for that last year and then just as a surprise "moving out" gift, she could have returned the one years rent to her cousin.  But to be honest, even if she had done that, it's sadly pretty obvious that that money would have been spent quickly and probably frivolously and cousin would be right back where she started.  I don't know why, but some people just don't "get" how to handle money.

No kidding. This is my mom, to a t. No matter what you try to do to help, they self-sabotage. Until they decide that they are going to get the therapy they need, nothing you do will fix it.

I'm here because I feel like complaining about the time change. I love winter and dark coziness, but I really wish it didn't start getting dark where I am at 3:30 in the afternoon. Isn't there a happy medium?!

Move further south? Round 'bout the equator should do it, I think ;)

eta removed a failed attempt at a smily
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Post by: sandisadie on November 11, 2014, 01:54:25 PM
I hate the idea of the time change!  This year my old cat (about 12) really, really hates it!  She begins whining about 4:30 or 5 a.m. (Thinking it's 5:30 or 6).   My alarm is set for 6 so I have been waking fully at 4 or 4:30 because of catwhine!  I have 2 cats and the other one who is 7 just lays there and waits until 6 when I feed them.  I don't want to feed them earlier because I'm hoping the old one will adjust to the time change soon.  She is getting better but I'm having to take "cat" naps during the day or early evening.  Pun intended!
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Post by: jpcher on November 13, 2014, 06:09:26 PM
New topic:

CW Cathy and I get to work about an hour earlier than everybody else. There is an outer office area and we keep the outer door open. We work in the back room cube area. Early mornings we keep the inner door to this area closed with the lights off . . . very relaxing way to start the morning. ;D

This morning I needed to meet with someone to go over some changes on a project. I sent him an e-mail saying I was in, stop by whenever you're ready. He responded "Thx. c u soon."

About 40 minutes later there was a knock on the door. So I turned on the lights opened the door (left it open) and we got down to business.

An hour later, he left.

I checked my e-mail and found that there was a message from him:

Subject: At the door
Body: Please let me in.


Seriously? Instead of simply knocking, you send an e-mail? I wonder how long he was standing outside the door waiting for my response?

Am I the only one who thinks this is way too funny?
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on November 13, 2014, 07:40:31 PM
New topic:

CW Cathy and I get to work about an hour earlier than everybody else. There is an outer office area and we keep the outer door open. We work in the back room cube area. Early mornings we keep the inner door to this area closed with the lights off . . . very relaxing way to start the morning. ;D

This morning I needed to meet with someone to go over some changes on a project. I sent him an e-mail saying I was in, stop by whenever you're ready. He responded "Thx. c u soon."

About 40 minutes later there was a knock on the door. So I turned on the lights opened the door (left it open) and we got down to business.

An hour later, he left.

I checked my e-mail and found that there was a message from him:

Subject: At the door
Body: Please let me in.


Seriously? Instead of simply knocking, you send an e-mail? I wonder how long he was standing outside the door waiting for my response?

Am I the only one who thinks this is way too funny?

Re: At the door
Quote
Please let me in.
Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin!
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Post by: Addicted to Sugar on December 08, 2014, 11:11:52 AM
Thanks to eHell, this is something that really cracked me up this morning when checking email. My local library sent one with this subject: ScrabbleFest!

No other words, just that. Immediately my mind went into the gutter.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on December 08, 2014, 11:58:22 AM
When someone decides to "help" but causes a lot more work! Drives me crazy.

Also, a group that wants to have the same thing to eat at every meeting. Mediocre pizza is no one's favorite. This will be the last time.
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Post by: Redwing on December 08, 2014, 02:43:00 PM
Just curious what your responses may be.  My husband and I were at a restaurant for breakfast on Saturday.  Nothing fancy, just your typical family type restaurant.  There was a table of 8 right next to us.  After they ordered, they began playing a cell phone game called "Heads Up", which is a great deal of fun, but can get very loud.  However, this table was no louder than any other table in the restaurant.  Everyone at the table participated.  In your opinion, was this rude or not?  I thought it odd, but not sure it was rude since they weren't loud and everyone was engaging in the game.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on December 08, 2014, 02:44:09 PM
As long as the volume did not rise above normal conversational levels, I would say not rude.
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Post by: Hmmmmm on December 08, 2014, 03:56:20 PM
I agree, as long as it wasn't louder than normal, I think it's fine. While Heads Up might look odd (holding a phone to your forehead) it really shouldn't be too bothersome.

My only concern would be if they were taking too much time at the table after finishing dining. In our area, weekend breakfast places usually have a long line and a table top for 8 can be in high demand. So as long as they didn't spend an extra 30 minutes after the last plate was cleared, I think they were fine.
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on December 08, 2014, 06:39:59 PM
I have heads up on my phone, and it can be a fun game. I think it can also be played as charades so that the person giving clues can only use signs if they want to keep things quiet.
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Post by: kherbert05 on December 08, 2014, 07:16:19 PM
The holiday thread reminded me of this terrific Mom. She had taken her youngest son to the doctor. Turned out he had a virus that isn't usually even noticed in healthy kids (he had been on steroids for an allergy attack). Thing was it is very dangerous for pregnant women and can hurt the child she is carrying.


Mom called the school from the doctor's office. We had 5 pregnant teachers that year- she had 4 kids - 3 of them had pregnant teachers. All 5 teachers were told to call their doctors. Fortunately most were past the point where this is dangerous to the child. Still the classes were given an extra recess while the nurse, custodian, and principal wiped down common surfaces. Then that night the night custodians gave a deep clean to those rooms first that night. The Mom kept the kids out until the doctor said they were clear. All the babies were born healthy.   
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Post by: VorFemme on December 10, 2014, 09:55:01 AM
The holiday thread reminded me of this terrific Mom. She had taken her youngest son to the doctor. Turned out he had a virus that isn't usually even noticed in healthy kids (he had been on steroids for an allergy attack). Thing was it is very dangerous for pregnant women and can hurt the child she is carrying.


Mom called the school from the doctor's office. We had 5 pregnant teachers that year- she had 4 kids - 3 of them had pregnant teachers. All 5 teachers were told to call their doctors. Fortunately most were past the point where this is dangerous to the child. Still the classes were given an extra recess while the nurse, custodian, and principal wiped down common surfaces. Then that night the night custodians gave a deep clean to those rooms first that night. The Mom kept the kids out until the doctor said they were clear. All the babies were born healthy.   

I lost a baby after a few weeks of illness following "parents" leaving a sick toddler (walking age but not talking) in the church nursery with only a half bottle of juice, a wet diaper, no diapers, no change of clothes, clothes were too small, a running nose, possible low grade fever (no thermometer in the nursery), no diaper rash cream, and a raging case of diaper rash only made worse by no dry clothes or diaper to change the poor tyke into.  I can't be 100% sure that I got sick from that child - but it did make me wonder how many other people were dropping off "sick" or "coming down with something" toddlers so that they could go to church...or just vanish for an hour or maybe two without the kid in tow, if they got back about the time church was over?

I didn't used to be so cynical - I grew up with a preacher as my father. 

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Post by: sylviatexas on December 10, 2014, 07:54:26 PM
Oh, Vorfemme, I'm so sorry.

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Post by: Betelnut on December 11, 2014, 11:00:55 AM
Random middle-of-the-night, why can't I sleep? thought: 

Baklava is one of the few things that I can't see being improved upon by deep-frying it.

(The honey would just be boiling hot and very liquidy...)

And...discuss!
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Post by: Elisabunny on December 11, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
Random middle-of-the-night, why can't I sleep? thought: 

Baklava is one of the few things that I can't see being improved upon by deep-frying it.

(The honey would just be boiling hot and very liquidy...)

And...discuss!

Freeze it before dipping it in the batter?  But the fillo would probably turn out weird...
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Post by: VorFemme on December 11, 2014, 01:15:59 PM
Oh, Vorfemme, I'm so sorry.



The 20th anniversary of the due date is coming up next week - but *this* year I have a new grandson born close to it.  I'm getting baby cuddles this year...oddly enough, it helps.  I also had a dream where the baby came to visit me (now 19 going on 20) and we talked.  It was oddly cathartic.  I don't know if it was "just a dream" or not - but I talked to DD about it and I feel oddly better. 

I didn't sign up to work the nursery again after the year I'd signed up for ended...and it took three months to go back to church after the medical issues (grief, mostly).   
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Post by: Piratelvr1121 on December 11, 2014, 05:00:44 PM
Not the same thing at all, but I do recall being visited by my grandmother in a dream a few years after she passed away and we didn't even talk, she just gave me a big hug and man, it can be cathartic to meet with passed loved ones in that way.
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Post by: o_gal on December 12, 2014, 06:39:58 AM
Random middle-of-the-night, why can't I sleep? thought: 

Baklava is one of the few things that I can't see being improved upon by deep-frying it.

(The honey would just be boiling hot and very liquidy...)

And...discuss!

Freeze it before dipping it in the batter?  But the fillo would probably turn out weird...

Yep, freeze it and coat it with batter. If your oil is hot enough, it will fry the outside and leave the inside intact. That's the same principle behind Baked Alaska - cover the ice cream with enough meringue and it can survive being baked.

(yes, I did make a 9x13 pan of baklava last night but no, haven't tried to deep fry it)
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Post by: magicdomino on December 12, 2014, 09:52:25 AM
Random middle-of-the-night, why can't I sleep? thought: 

Baklava is one of the few things that I can't see being improved upon by deep-frying it.

(The honey would just be boiling hot and very liquidy...)

And...discuss!

Freeze it before dipping it in the batter?  But the fillo would probably turn out weird...

Yep, freeze it and coat it with batter. If your oil is hot enough, it will fry the outside and leave the inside intact. That's the same principle behind Baked Alaska - cover the ice cream with enough meringue and it can survive being baked.

(yes, I did make a 9x13 pan of baklava last night but no, haven't tried to deep fry it)

If you can deep-fry butter and ice cream, baklava would be a snap.  Might be pretty good too.
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Post by: jpcher on December 23, 2014, 02:49:15 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for this poor company.

Last month I heard a commercial (several times) on the radio from a window company who offered a deal of 2 for 1 on windows if you replaced all the windows in your home.

Super special deal: When you sign up before November 30 if it snows more than 2-1/2 inches on Christmas eve ALL of your windows are free!

Today it is 50 degrees.

Tomorrow (xmas eve) we are expecting 3 inches of snow.


Great deal for all that ordered! ;D

Poor company is probably trying to decide "Who's stupid idea was this?"
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Post by: Diane AKA Traska on December 23, 2014, 04:01:08 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for this poor company.

Last month I heard a commercial (several times) on the radio from a window company who offered a deal of 2 for 1 on windows if you replaced all the windows in your home.

Super special deal: When you sign up before November 30 if it snows more than 2-1/2 inches on Christmas eve ALL of your windows are free!

Today it is 50 degrees.

Tomorrow (xmas eve) we are expecting 3 inches of snow.


Great deal for all that ordered! ;D

Poor company is probably trying to decide "Who's stupid idea was this?"

"Bob!  Quick, get me all the fire extinguishers you can find!  We've got to load the atmosphere with as much CO2 as we can!"
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Post by: ladyknight1 on February 16, 2015, 01:38:29 PM
There is a bake sale that occurs twice a semester, and funds go to a nursing student scholarship. Today, they added a Keurig coffee machine and K-cups, along with coffee fixings, such as cream, sugar and flavored creamers. What a great idea!
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Post by: AngelicGamer on February 16, 2015, 03:26:59 PM
There is a bake sale that occurs twice a semester, and funds go to a nursing student scholarship. Today, they added a Keurig coffee machine and K-cups, along with coffee fixings, such as cream, sugar and flavored creamers. What a great idea!

That's a very good idea!  I hope that they got a lot of sales from the Keurig.  I've had hot chocolate from one that made me want to buy the machine; I bet the coffee is really good.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on February 16, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
It is. We have one in my office and I buy the cups for it for class nights.
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Post by: andi on February 16, 2015, 06:23:29 PM
The teas are good too. Amd the dark hot chocolate is really yummy of you put a shot of creamer in your cup first.
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Post by: o_gal on February 17, 2015, 07:05:50 AM
I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for this poor company.

Last month I heard a commercial (several times) on the radio from a window company who offered a deal of 2 for 1 on windows if you replaced all the windows in your home.

Super special deal: When you sign up before November 30 if it snows more than 2-1/2 inches on Christmas eve ALL of your windows are free!

Today it is 50 degrees.

Tomorrow (xmas eve) we are expecting 3 inches of snow.


Great deal for all that ordered! ;D

Poor company is probably trying to decide "Who's stupid idea was this?"

Chiming in a little late on this one but here's one that actually came true: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/ohio-state-could-save-furniture-shoppers-serious-b/njfTC/

The last weeks of December, after the Buckeyes had been selected for the playoffs, they started running this commercial. I think they were after the publicity, and they also saw that the Bucks were expected to be blown away by the Crimson Tide. But then they weren't and it was too late for Morris  :D
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Post by: Mustard on February 17, 2015, 11:46:41 AM
This reminds me of the great Hoover vacuum cleaner free flights fiasco here in the U.K.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3704669.stm

Hoover apparently had a lot of vacuum cleaners and household appliances to shift, so some bright spark came up with the idea to give free flights if spending over £100 on one of their machines.  Initially just to Europe, but then the U.S. was added to the promotion.  So people bought things they didn't need just to get the tickets.. It cost the company millions after they tried to pull the deal.  Someone even held a repairman's van hostage until he got his tickets!
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Post by: Sirius on February 17, 2015, 03:32:10 PM
Heard about this one from a church deacon.  It's been a few years, but this is generally how the story went:

A couple who were not regular church attenders dropped off their kids at the church nursery, then left.  Eventually, church ended there was no one was there to pick up the kids, and the parents weren't answering their cell phones.  The people working in the nursery got the head deacon involved, and when an hour had passed after church and still no one had picked up the children or had called or had answered the cell phones, the children were turned over to our local Child Protective Agency.  There were two children, and if I remember correctly the older of the two was about 18 months old and the younger was an infant.

He told us that the parents were eventually tracked down and arrested.

There were some changes made to how and when kids could be dropped off at the church nursery.  Specifically, there would be no dropping kids off at the nursery then leaving. 
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Post by: ladyknight1 on February 19, 2015, 07:31:11 AM
Going to a special adult only evening event at our local science center featuring forensic science greats with DH and going to dinner before. What should I wear?

1: Black pants, tunic top with sparkles or colorful pattern, flats or boots.
2: Dark jeans, sequined tank top, denim jacket, boots.
3: Brown skirt, coral shirt, brown and coral boots.

It's Saturday!
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Post by: LadyDyani on February 19, 2015, 07:43:24 AM
Going to a special adult only evening event at our local science center featuring forensic science greats with DH and going to dinner before. What should I wear?

1: Black pants, tunic top with sparkles or colorful pattern, flats or boots.
2: Dark jeans, sequined tank top, denim jacket, boots.
3: Brown skirt, coral shirt, brown and coral boots.

It's Saturday!

I'd go with 1 or 3. Jeans might be too casual. If it's really fancy go with 1.
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Post by: jpcher on February 20, 2015, 05:03:16 PM
Going to a special adult only evening event at our local science center featuring forensic science greats with DH and going to dinner before. What should I wear?

1: Black pants, tunic top with sparkles or colorful pattern, flats or boots.
2: Dark jeans, sequined tank top, denim jacket, boots.
3: Brown skirt, coral shirt, brown and coral boots.

It's Saturday!

I'd go with 1 or 3. Jeans might be too casual. If it's really fancy go with 1.

Agreed -- I'm leaning toward 1.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on February 20, 2015, 07:51:07 PM
Ok, thank you all. My goal is to get DH recuperated enough to enjoy dinner and the event.
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Post by: andi on March 12, 2015, 09:24:33 PM
Need  some quick advice from anyone who may have some personal experience with this:

Hubby lost his job last week. We are in a flurry of expense cutting since he got very little severnce and we have a bit of debt. I'd like to contact our credt cards and motprtgage company to let them know and see if there's anything we can do short time. (DH is working tirelessly to find a job bit we don't know how long it will take right now)

So, when calling, what department is the best to ask for so I'm not repeating the facts 20 times?  What specifically should I ask for?  Would it be better to see if we can defer payments for a few months (if so how many) or shoes I see if they can cut our minimum payment (if so how much)?

I've never been in this position as an adult and I'm trying very hard to be rational and proactive without going into full panic mode and doing something that may bite us later.

Any advice is welcome.
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Post by: AngelicGamer on March 12, 2015, 09:52:30 PM
(((hugs andi)))

With your mortgage company, could you speak with the one who originally did the loan with you?  They would possibly know you best and the personal connection might help.
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Post by: Wintergreen on March 13, 2015, 03:50:47 AM
Yes, I would also contact the person you negotiated the mortage originally. If s/he is still working for the company, that is. There might be differences, but at least around here it's possible to ask for a period of time where you only pay interest but not the actual mortage away. However, I must note that at least here this is often service you need to pay for. And they might negotiate the terms and interest rates again for the mortage. Which might be not optimal if you have gotten the loan when very low rates were offered.

For credit cards maybe asking for smaller monthly payment would be option.
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Post by: JoW on March 13, 2015, 01:22:35 PM
For your credit cards, don't tell them.  Keep on making the minimum payment and hope they don't hear about the drop in income.  From what I've heard if they learn that your income has dropped they'll make the whole balance due in full immediately. 
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Post by: Betelnut on March 13, 2015, 03:18:22 PM
For your credit cards, don't tell them.  Keep on making the minimum payment and hope they don't hear about the drop in income.  From what I've heard if they learn that your income has dropped they'll make the whole balance due in full immediately.

Why would they do that?  They make a LOT more money just taking minimum payments every month.  A LOT more.
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Post by: AngelicGamer on March 13, 2015, 03:55:25 PM
I'm hating social media for the moment.  A cousin of mine is stirring the pot on Facebook with a post that, if I don't like/share, I'm going to be seen as not supporting her son's career.  It's also a hot topic at the moment, due to the news and probably always will be, so I'm just gonna hide here for the next millennium.
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Post by: Mergatroyd on March 13, 2015, 04:01:44 PM
I'm hating social media for the moment.  A cousin of mine is stirring the pot on Facebook with a post that, if I don't like/share, I'm going to be seen as not supporting her son's career.  It's also a hot topic at the moment, due to the news and probably always will be, so I'm just gonna hide here for the next millennium.

Just pretend you never saw it. FB does that.
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Post by: JoW on March 13, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
For your credit cards, don't tell them.  Keep on making the minimum payment and hope they don't hear about the drop in income.  From what I've heard if they learn that your income has dropped they'll make the whole balance due in full immediately.

Why would they do that?  They make a LOT more money just taking minimum payments every month.  A LOT more.
They assume you will never work again and will stop paying.  I think I read that in a financial advice column in the newspaper years ago.  The companies may have changed their rules. 
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Post by: andi on March 13, 2015, 06:43:52 PM
For your credit cards, don't tell them.  Keep on making the minimum payment and hope they don't hear about the drop in income.  From what I've heard if they learn that your income has dropped they'll make the whole balance due in full immediately.

Why would they do that?  They make a LOT more money just taking minimum payments every month.  A LOT more.

I've never hear that before - and my problem is that I won't be able to make the minimum payment.  i thought it was better to let them know so they could adjust the payment instead of simply stopping payment or making up your own payment. Less of an impact to your credit score later down the line.
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Post by: Luci on March 13, 2015, 07:18:19 PM
On a lighter note: Our St. Patrick's Day dinner is tomorrow for 22-25 people. Buffet but formalish sit down*. The corned beef is not pretty this year but probably the tastiest batch I've ever done. Usually set the buffet up as salad, meat, potatoes, veggies, then desserts on another table and bread and butter, salt and pepper on the dining tables. Since I don't have as much beef as I planned, even though there really is enough, I'm thinking of doing it with the meat at the end, as I finally realized that commercial buffets do it - and why!

That ought to hold the 2 guests that just fill up their plates and never eat it all!

If I must have an etiquette question, I guess it is "is it rude the change the pattern I've used for buffets for the past 45 years?" Rude, sneaky or smart?

*We set the tables with tablecloths, real tableware and cloth napkins, each table with a different pattern. The guests grab a plate, then get in line, so there is not wandering around with a full plate looking for a place to sit.
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Post by: VorFemme on March 13, 2015, 07:42:19 PM
On a lighter note: Our St. Patrick's Day dinner is tomorrow for 22-25 people. Buffet but formalish sit down*. The corned beef is not pretty this year but probably the tastiest batch I've ever done. Usually set the buffet up as salad, meat, potatoes, veggies, then desserts on another table and bread and butter, salt and pepper on the dining tables. Since I don't have as much beef as I planned, even though there really is enough, I'm thinking of doing it with the meat at the end, as I finally realized that commercial buffets do it - and why!

That ought to hold the 2 guests that just fill up their plates and never eat it all!

If I must have an etiquette question, I guess it is "is it rude the change the pattern I've used for buffets for the past 45 years?" Rude, sneaky or smart?

*We set the tables with tablecloths, real tableware and cloth napkins, each table with a different pattern. The guests grab a plate, then get in line, so there is not wandering around with a full plate looking for a place to sit.

If you're doing the feast at lunch - get smaller plates or bowls to encourage people to get a little of this and a little of that, then have enough extra plates to let them go back for a second or even third plate.

It might not work with the "stack it higher" crowd - but it has reduced some of the waste at a couple of dinner & dance award banquets that I go to.
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Post by: Luci on March 13, 2015, 08:44:04 PM
On a lighter note: Our St. Patrick's Day dinner is tomorrow for 22-25 people. Buffet but formalish sit down*. The corned beef is not pretty this year but probably the tastiest batch I've ever done. Usually set the buffet up as salad, meat, potatoes, veggies, then desserts on another table and bread and butter, salt and pepper on the dining tables. Since I don't have as much beef as I planned, even though there really is enough, I'm thinking of doing it with the meat at the end, as I finally realized that commercial buffets do it - and why!

That ought to hold the 2 guests that just fill up their plates and never eat it all!

If I must have an etiquette question, I guess it is "is it rude the change the pattern I've used for buffets for the past 45 years?" Rude, sneaky or smart?

*We set the tables with tablecloths, real tableware and cloth napkins, each table with a different pattern. The guests grab a plate, then get in line, so there is not wandering around with a full plate looking for a place to sit.

If you're doing the feast at lunch - get smaller plates or bowls to encourage people to get a little of this and a little of that, then have enough extra plates to let them go back for a second or even third plate.

It might not work with the "stack it higher" crowd - but it has reduced some of the waste at a couple of dinner & dance award banquets that I go to.

We use the same plates, but your comments make me think I ought to get larger than 6 inch green paper cocktail hour plates! Maybe they will load up on veggies and crackers more from 2-5...................hmmmmmmmmmm. Thanks.
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Post by: jpcher on March 14, 2015, 04:15:47 PM
On a lighter note: Our St. Patrick's Day dinner is tomorrow for 22-25 people. Buffet but formalish sit down*. The corned beef is not pretty this year but probably the tastiest batch I've ever done. Usually set the buffet up as salad, meat, potatoes, veggies, then desserts on another table and bread and butter, salt and pepper on the dining tables. Since I don't have as much beef as I planned, even though there really is enough, I'm thinking of doing it with the meat at the end, as I finally realized that commercial buffets do it - and why!

That ought to hold the 2 guests that just fill up their plates and never eat it all!

If I must have an etiquette question, I guess it is "is it rude the change the pattern I've used for buffets for the past 45 years?" Rude, sneaky or smart?

*We set the tables with tablecloths, real tableware and cloth napkins, each table with a different pattern. The guests grab a plate, then get in line, so there is not wandering around with a full plate looking for a place to sit.

If you're doing the feast at lunch - get smaller plates or bowls to encourage people to get a little of this and a little of that, then have enough extra plates to let them go back for a second or even third plate.

It might not work with the "stack it higher" crowd - but it has reduced some of the waste at a couple of dinner & dance award banquets that I go to.

We use the same plates, but your comments make me think I ought to get larger than 6 inch green paper cocktail hour plates! Maybe they will load up on veggies and crackers more from 2-5...................hmmmmmmmmmm. Thanks.

Love it! ;D

No I don't think it's rude or sneaky or any such thing. I think it's a smart idea. The worse that can happen is someone getting their salad and shouting out "Where's the beef?" ;)
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Post by: Luci on March 14, 2015, 10:05:15 PM
Thanks. We did have enough beef with my ploy, so have reubens for a couple of days.

The party was great! Lots of fun and laughs. Got to know granddaughter's boyfriend better, and we are wondering if she will wear my wedding dress in 2017. Wow! Also, we are meeting my brother and sisIL for breakfast tomorrow. More quality time with brother. They can't drive between our homes in one day, and are not comfortable here because of restless leg syndome and insomnia.

We are exhausted but happy. Good night.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 11, 2015, 06:52:03 PM
I just discovered that I like grilled oysters! Now I keep thinking about them.
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on April 16, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
So here is a random question.  Hopefully there are 911 dispatchers here who can help.

Very early this morning (somewhere in the 4am hour), my IL's land line rang, waking them. 

MIL picked up and it was a 911 dispatcher asking if everything was okay.  MIL was quite confused and the dispatcher went on to explain they'd had a hangup call from that number.  MIL explained to the dispatcher that there must have been some mistake, no one had called.  I'm not sure what the dispatcher said but the call was ended and that was that.  We are all confused because everyone was sleeping.  I'm assuming there was some sort of glitch but I don't know enough about land lines to explain it.

But now my MIL is worried that she's somehow going to get into trouble for a "false call".  I don't think she has anything to worry about and my husband is going to contact the phone company today to see if they can figure out what happened.  But she is just beside herself right now and she doesn't need any extra worry (she has anxiety issues).  Any advice?
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Post by: Onyx_TKD on April 16, 2015, 12:34:12 PM
So here is a random question.  Hopefully there are 911 dispatchers here who can help.

Very early this morning (somewhere in the 4am hour), my IL's land line rang, waking them. 

MIL picked up and it was a 911 dispatcher asking if everything was okay.  MIL was quite confused and the dispatcher went on to explain they'd had a hangup call from that number.  MIL explained to the dispatcher that there must have been some mistake, no one had called.  I'm not sure what the dispatcher said but the call was ended and that was that.  We are all confused because everyone was sleeping.  I'm assuming there was some sort of glitch but I don't know enough about land lines to explain it.

But now my MIL is worried that she's somehow going to get into trouble for a "false call".  I don't think she has anything to worry about and my husband is going to contact the phone company today to see if they can figure out what happened.  But she is just beside herself right now and she doesn't need any extra worry (she has anxiety issues).  Any advice?

I've had something similar happen several times due to a phone glitch. The police were very nice about it and never gave any indication that they blamed us in any way for the call. Their only apparent concern was making sure that everyone was ok. We were certainly never accused of making false 911 calls.

In my case, my roommate had already had to dispute erroneous 411 charges on our phone bill, so we and the phone company knew that there was some glitch in the system, but the phone company hadn't managed to fix it yet. Then, I was home alone one day when I realized someone was pounding on our door (I had headphones on and didn't hear the initial knocking). It was a police officer responding to a hangup call. I explained that I was the only one home and had not called. At some point during the conversation, I also remembered the 411 problem and explained that we seemed to have a phone glitch (and apologized for the mistake calling them out). The officer was very nice and understanding about the whole thing. He asked to see my ID (not sure whether that was just to record who he'd spoken to or if the police had looked up who was on the lease). I think he was also trying to confirm that I wasn't being coerced or threatened by someone else in the apartment. I don't recall whether he asked if he could step inside or if I offered to let him to come in and see for himself that no one else was there, but after that, he was perfectly willing to accept my statement that it was a glitch. He assured me that it was no problem and that they'd much rather respond to a glitch than fail to respond to an actual hangup call. The glitch resulted in one or two further 911 calls before it was resolved, and the police were always nice about it. The profuse apologies probably helped to indicate that it wasn't intentional.  :P
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on April 16, 2015, 12:54:38 PM
So here is a random question.  Hopefully there are 911 dispatchers here who can help.

Very early this morning (somewhere in the 4am hour), my IL's land line rang, waking them. 

MIL picked up and it was a 911 dispatcher asking if everything was okay.  MIL was quite confused and the dispatcher went on to explain they'd had a hangup call from that number.  MIL explained to the dispatcher that there must have been some mistake, no one had called.  I'm not sure what the dispatcher said but the call was ended and that was that.  We are all confused because everyone was sleeping.  I'm assuming there was some sort of glitch but I don't know enough about land lines to explain it.

But now my MIL is worried that she's somehow going to get into trouble for a "false call".  I don't think she has anything to worry about and my husband is going to contact the phone company today to see if they can figure out what happened.  But she is just beside herself right now and she doesn't need any extra worry (she has anxiety issues).  Any advice?

I've had something similar happen several times due to a phone glitch. The police were very nice about it and never gave any indication that they blamed us in any way for the call. Their only apparent concern was making sure that everyone was ok. We were certainly never accused of making false 911 calls.

In my case, my roommate had already had to dispute erroneous 411 charges on our phone bill, so we and the phone company knew that there was some glitch in the system, but the phone company hadn't managed to fix it yet. Then, I was home alone one day when I realized someone was pounding on our door (I had headphones on and didn't hear the initial knocking). It was a police officer responding to a hangup call. I explained that I was the only one home and had not called. At some point during the conversation, I also remembered the 411 problem and explained that we seemed to have a phone glitch (and apologized for the mistake calling them out). The officer was very nice and understanding about the whole thing. He asked to see my ID (not sure whether that was just to record who he'd spoken to or if the police had looked up who was on the lease). I think he was also trying to confirm that I wasn't being coerced or threatened by someone else in the apartment. I don't recall whether he asked if he could step inside or if I offered to let him to come in and see for himself that no one else was there, but after that, he was perfectly willing to accept my statement that it was a glitch. He assured me that it was no problem and that they'd much rather respond to a glitch than fail to respond to an actual hangup call. The glitch resulted in one or two further 911 calls before it was resolved, and the police were always nice about it. The profuse apologies probably helped to indicate that it wasn't intentional.  :P

Thanks, that's pretty much what I thought.  Hopefully the phone company will confirm this and ease my MILs concerns.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 16, 2015, 01:11:58 PM
My son was working at camp, and his phone dialed 911, which ended up with our local police at our door. DH was downstairs, and had to ask me to come down, to prove I was ok. I then contacted my friend (asst. camp director) to make sure son was ok. We weren't charged.

All of the cases I've heard of where people are charged is due to repeat calls, prank calls or the inebriated insisting the police deliver pizza.

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Post by: jedikaiti on April 16, 2015, 02:41:26 PM
So here is a random question.  Hopefully there are 911 dispatchers here who can help.

Very early this morning (somewhere in the 4am hour), my IL's land line rang, waking them. 

MIL picked up and it was a 911 dispatcher asking if everything was okay.  MIL was quite confused and the dispatcher went on to explain they'd had a hangup call from that number.  MIL explained to the dispatcher that there must have been some mistake, no one had called.  I'm not sure what the dispatcher said but the call was ended and that was that.  We are all confused because everyone was sleeping.  I'm assuming there was some sort of glitch but I don't know enough about land lines to explain it.

But now my MIL is worried that she's somehow going to get into trouble for a "false call".  I don't think she has anything to worry about and my husband is going to contact the phone company today to see if they can figure out what happened.  But she is just beside herself right now and she doesn't need any extra worry (she has anxiety issues).  Any advice?

I've had something similar happen several times due to a phone glitch. The police were very nice about it and never gave any indication that they blamed us in any way for the call. Their only apparent concern was making sure that everyone was ok. We were certainly never accused of making false 911 calls.

In my case, my roommate had already had to dispute erroneous 411 charges on our phone bill, so we and the phone company knew that there was some glitch in the system, but the phone company hadn't managed to fix it yet. Then, I was home alone one day when I realized someone was pounding on our door (I had headphones on and didn't hear the initial knocking). It was a police officer responding to a hangup call. I explained that I was the only one home and had not called. At some point during the conversation, I also remembered the 411 problem and explained that we seemed to have a phone glitch (and apologized for the mistake calling them out). The officer was very nice and understanding about the whole thing. He asked to see my ID (not sure whether that was just to record who he'd spoken to or if the police had looked up who was on the lease). I think he was also trying to confirm that I wasn't being coerced or threatened by someone else in the apartment. I don't recall whether he asked if he could step inside or if I offered to let him to come in and see for himself that no one else was there, but after that, he was perfectly willing to accept my statement that it was a glitch. He assured me that it was no problem and that they'd much rather respond to a glitch than fail to respond to an actual hangup call. The glitch resulted in one or two further 911 calls before it was resolved, and the police were always nice about it. The profuse apologies probably helped to indicate that it wasn't intentional.  :P

Thanks, that's pretty much what I thought.  Hopefully the phone company will confirm this and ease my MILs concerns.

I don't recall details, but I do seem to remember that some brand(s) of cordless phone had a bug whereby a low battery or some such could trigger a 911 call, without anyone touching the phone. Might be worth looking into.
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on April 17, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
[snip]

I don't recall details, but I do seem to remember that some brand(s) of cordless phone had a bug whereby a low battery or some such could trigger a 911 call, without anyone touching the phone. Might be worth looking into.

It was her land line.  At any rate, the phone company confirmed that no calls had been made from our end at that time and there was a glitch in the line.  I doubt anyone is going to charge us but she was very upset about it.  Once she had 'proof' that she was uninvolved, she was able to settle down.

That's good to know about the cell phones though.  How annoying.
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Post by: squeakers on April 17, 2015, 11:55:54 AM
[snip]

I don't recall details, but I do seem to remember that some brand(s) of cordless phone had a bug whereby a low battery or some such could trigger a 911 call, without anyone touching the phone. Might be worth looking into.

It was her land line.  At any rate, the phone company confirmed that no calls had been made from our end at that time and there was a glitch in the line.  I doubt anyone is going to charge us but she was very upset about it.  Once she had 'proof' that she was uninvolved, she was able to settle down.

That's good to know about the cell phones though.  How annoying.

Not cellphones but cordless landline phones.  The other fun thing with cordless is sometimes, if a neighbor has a baby monitor and it's on the same frequency as the cordless.. the neighbor can listen in to your calls. http://www.dm.usda.gov/ocpm/Security%20Guide/V2comint/Cordless.htm
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 17, 2015, 01:38:22 PM
[snip]

I don't recall details, but I do seem to remember that some brand(s) of cordless phone had a bug whereby a low battery or some such could trigger a 911 call, without anyone touching the phone. Might be worth looking into.

It was her land line.  At any rate, the phone company confirmed that no calls had been made from our end at that time and there was a glitch in the line.  I doubt anyone is going to charge us but she was very upset about it.  Once she had 'proof' that she was uninvolved, she was able to settle down.

That's good to know about the cell phones though.  How annoying.

Not cellphones but cordless landline phones.  The other fun thing with cordless is sometimes, if a neighbor has a baby monitor and it's on the same frequency as the cordless.. the neighbor can listen in to your calls. http://www.dm.usda.gov/ocpm/Security%20Guide/V2comint/Cordless.htm

Yep - landline cordless phones. Here's the Snopes on it, along with an anecdote about a cell phone gone awry as well: http://www.snopes.com/crime/safety/lowbattery.asp (http://www.snopes.com/crime/safety/lowbattery.asp)
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Post by: Wintergreen on April 30, 2015, 08:45:30 AM
This has been a peculiar day somehow. It is my last day at my current job/project. But it did not feel like it. I did not return my keys or empty my room, because I plan to go back Monday to continue writing my master's. And... I keep hoping that there is some other project or task where I could get more work.

Other thing is, that two people suddenly confided some personal news to me today, good and bad. I was slightly surprised, as while I like both of them, I think our relationships has never been exactly "sharing secrets"-type. More of a "spend some fun time together". But, it made me think that maybe I'd like to spend some more time with them. I've been too lazy to connect with friends.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 30, 2015, 08:51:01 AM
This is an odd day as well. I am taking a final exam tonight, which means I left home at 6:40 to take DS to school, got to work at 7:30, will work until 5, and then hang out somewhere until my 7PM exam. I won't get home until around 9.

Two of our long time employees are retiring and this is their last day. A short time employee on a terminal contract was here for a brief time this morning and is gone. I'm looking for another job, so trying to look at change as a positive, but my brain is stubborn and resistant to change.
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on April 30, 2015, 10:40:04 AM
[snip]

I don't recall details, but I do seem to remember that some brand(s) of cordless phone had a bug whereby a low battery or some such could trigger a 911 call, without anyone touching the phone. Might be worth looking into.

It was her land line.  At any rate, the phone company confirmed that no calls had been made from our end at that time and there was a glitch in the line.  I doubt anyone is going to charge us but she was very upset about it.  Once she had 'proof' that she was uninvolved, she was able to settle down.

That's good to know about the cell phones though.  How annoying.

Not cellphones but cordless landline phones.  The other fun thing with cordless is sometimes, if a neighbor has a baby monitor and it's on the same frequency as the cordless.. the neighbor can listen in to your calls. http://www.dm.usda.gov/ocpm/Security%20Guide/V2comint/Cordless.htm

Ah, gotcha.  This was a corded land line.  I've actually had that experience with an old baby monitor and our old cordless though!
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Post by: Bandu on May 01, 2015, 03:46:43 AM
So here is a random question.  Hopefully there are 911 dispatchers here who can help.

Very early this morning (somewhere in the 4am hour), my IL's land line rang, waking them. 

MIL picked up and it was a 911 dispatcher asking if everything was okay.  MIL was quite confused and the dispatcher went on to explain they'd had a hangup call from that number.  MIL explained to the dispatcher that there must have been some mistake, no one had called.  I'm not sure what the dispatcher said but the call was ended and that was that.  We are all confused because everyone was sleeping.  I'm assuming there was some sort of glitch but I don't know enough about land lines to explain it.

But now my MIL is worried that she's somehow going to get into trouble for a "false call".  I don't think she has anything to worry about and my husband is going to contact the phone company today to see if they can figure out what happened.  But she is just beside herself right now and she doesn't need any extra worry (she has anxiety issues).  Any advice?

I deal with police call logs as part of my job. It is amazing how often lonely phones will take it upon themselves to call 911. Our dispatchers get 911 hangup calls from pay phones located in empty rooms, from vacant rent houses, and once, from a vacant LOT that once upon a time had a house on it. Rain/storms greatly increase the number of such calls.

Unless your MIL's phone begins calling 911 frequently, she is in no trouble whatsoever. Police are used to this happening. Tell her to rest easy.
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Post by: Lady Snowdon on May 01, 2015, 05:32:18 AM
So here is a random question.  Hopefully there are 911 dispatchers here who can help.

Very early this morning (somewhere in the 4am hour), my IL's land line rang, waking them. 

MIL picked up and it was a 911 dispatcher asking if everything was okay.  MIL was quite confused and the dispatcher went on to explain they'd had a hangup call from that number.  MIL explained to the dispatcher that there must have been some mistake, no one had called.  I'm not sure what the dispatcher said but the call was ended and that was that.  We are all confused because everyone was sleeping.  I'm assuming there was some sort of glitch but I don't know enough about land lines to explain it.

But now my MIL is worried that she's somehow going to get into trouble for a "false call".  I don't think she has anything to worry about and my husband is going to contact the phone company today to see if they can figure out what happened.  But she is just beside herself right now and she doesn't need any extra worry (she has anxiety issues).  Any advice?

I deal with police call logs as part of my job. It is amazing how often lonely phones will take it upon themselves to call 911. Our dispatchers get 911 hangup calls from pay phones located in empty rooms, from vacant rent houses, and once, from a vacant LOT that once upon a time had a house on it. Rain/storms greatly increase the number of such calls.

Unless your MIL's phone begins calling 911 frequently, she is in no trouble whatsoever. Police are used to this happening. Tell her to rest easy.

Bandu, that is amazing!  I wonder why on earth it happens so often?

My cell phone once managed to call 911 for the Bloomington, IL police.  I was living in Bloomington, MN at the time.  Never did figure out how that one happened.  I came home to a message from the police department asking me to call them back, I called and explained I'd been at work all day and perhaps one of the cats had accidentally called.  Never got into trouble from it, but it does rank up there in my own personal unsolved mysteries. 
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Post by: Mergatroyd on May 01, 2015, 09:33:57 AM
In rural areas, all 911 calls are routed to a larger center, and the dispatchers direct the calls through to the appropriate locations, maybe that is how you ended up with the wrong Bloomington?  They've had some trouble with that here, because the folks in he center in Vernon don't always know that x location looks closest to High Zebra on their sat map, but is only reachable from Yolksville.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 11, 2015, 05:29:47 PM
It makes me see red when someone makes negative comments over a neutral subject. A friend posted a picture of a peacock at a local park. One of his friends wrote a paragraph on how much they despise peacocks and made some negative comments.

DH, DS and I stopped by to drop off a card and flowers to my MIL on the way to a new attraction last night, and MIL regaled us with news of how this was bad or that was bad.

Neither of these interactions would have bothered me if the person had asked the other's opinion.
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Post by: Panin on May 14, 2015, 06:06:54 AM
So, what would you have done?

I live on a military  base.

At the front of each house is a patch of grass that is maintained by The Powers That Be.

A woman was walking her dog past my house, and he used this grass as a toilet.  The woman was picking up after her dog as I walked home.

She was very apologetic.  I wasn't that fussed: dogs will do what they will do, and most importantly, she was picking it up.

What I had a problem with was that, with me watching, she walked over to my bin and put her little baggie in.

Now, I was in the midst of saying things like "of course it doesn't matter that your dog went to the loo on the lawn, its fine, stop apologising, dogs do what dogs do" etc and wasn't quick enough to change to "not in my bin! take it home with you!"

Is it just me?  Are bins for all?  Would you mind if some one put dog waste in your  bin?
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Post by: MariaE on May 14, 2015, 06:42:40 AM
Would you mind if some one put dog waste in your  bin?

Not at all. It happens all the time, and I couldn't care less.

Of course, the circumstances matter:
- Our bin is right by the footpath. People "trespass" all of 0.5 meters to get to it. They don't have to walk through our gate, down our driveway, up to our house or anything to get to it.
- People always toe decent knots on the bags - no risk of spilage.
- Even if there was, our bins are lined with bags - when empties, the garbage man just removes the bag entirely, no risk of anything getting left behind.
- We never even come close to filling up the bins anyway.

So all in all, I'm on the "no harm, no foul" mindset - and at least they're cleaning up after themselves! :) I don't blame them for not wanting to carry the bag all the way home with them.

(I don't have a dog myself).
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Post by: pattycake on May 14, 2015, 09:11:14 AM
Would you mind if some one put dog waste in your  bin?

Not if it was bagged and tied properly so there was no spillage. I wish someone would come around and clean up after their dog that does his business on my lawn where I have to walk to get to the car and the rhubarb patch and the front of my house. And the bin is right in front too, so it would be easy!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: AngelicGamer on May 14, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
If it's just anybody on the street randomly walking by /before/ they pick up on Friday morning, sure, that's fine.  If I have to store your dog's stink for a week, then I'm going to be asking you to dig it back out. 

This cancels out if it's my across the street neighbor who thought that it was a good ideatm to throw out three bags of used linens in our recycle bin.  They were in bags, which is a huge no no, so we would have been fined.  With that, you bet I'm going to take them out and give them back to you, with a reason why.  The husband of across the way neighbor was apologetic and apologized for his wife being the way she is.  Haven't had a problem since, but, really, that was the last straw with them (former straws being calling for the cat loudly at 11 pm at night when trying to sleep, loud banging at night during the summer after 11 pm, revving cars when it's not needed... yeah, we need to move because they aren't going to anytime soon).

*breathes* That feels better.  :)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Thipu1 on May 14, 2015, 09:26:31 AM
It depends.  We sort our trash.  If the dog waste goes into a general garbage can there's no problem.  If it goes into the bin for paper, plastic or metal recycling, we could get fined. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Hmmmmm on May 14, 2015, 10:15:42 AM
No, It wouldn't bother me. But I would appreciate being asked first.
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on May 14, 2015, 12:39:28 PM
So, what would you have done?

I live on a military  base.

At the front of each house is a patch of grass that is maintained by The Powers That Be.

A woman was walking her dog past my house, and he used this grass as a toilet.  The woman was picking up after her dog as I walked home.

She was very apologetic.  I wasn't that fussed: dogs will do what they will do, and most importantly, she was picking it up.

What I had a problem with was that, with me watching, she walked over to my bin and put her little baggie in.

Now, I was in the midst of saying things like "of course it doesn't matter that your dog went to the loo on the lawn, its fine, stop apologising, dogs do what dogs do" etc and wasn't quick enough to change to "not in my bin! take it home with you!"

Is it just me?  Are bins for all?  Would you mind if some one put dog waste in your  bin?

For me, I think it depends on where the bin was (I know, that is so random!)  If it's near the sidewalk anyway, I guess it wouldn't bother me that much.  If she had to walk up into your property, that might annoy me.  I think only because it's just so presumptuous.  My FIL lost his ever loving mind because someone put their dog doo in our bins but they were an hour away from trash pickup and I just couldn't muster any annoyance over that. 
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: mandycorn on May 14, 2015, 01:05:27 PM
So, what would you have done?

I live on a military  base.

At the front of each house is a patch of grass that is maintained by The Powers That Be.

A woman was walking her dog past my house, and he used this grass as a toilet.  The woman was picking up after her dog as I walked home.

She was very apologetic.  I wasn't that fussed: dogs will do what they will do, and most importantly, she was picking it up.

What I had a problem with was that, with me watching, she walked over to my bin and put her little baggie in.

Now, I was in the midst of saying things like "of course it doesn't matter that your dog went to the loo on the lawn, its fine, stop apologising, dogs do what dogs do" etc and wasn't quick enough to change to "not in my bin! take it home with you!"

Is it just me?  Are bins for all?  Would you mind if some one put dog waste in your  bin?

I think the thing that bothers me most in this scenarios is that she was already talking to you! She should have asked if she could use your bin, not just assumed it was fine and tossed it in. That's where I would have had a problem -- If I'm not there, go for it, but if I am there, don't treat my garbage like public property and use it without asking!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: magicdomino on May 15, 2015, 09:22:24 AM

Is it just me?  Are bins for all?  Would you mind if some one put dog waste in your  bin?

Technically, no, I don't mind.  However, my old trash service would reach in and pull the trash bags out instead of picking up the bin.  So, any small bags would be left on the bottom.  There was one bag o' poo that sat through several trash pick-ups before I dumped it into another, larger bag.
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Post by: mime on May 15, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
My bins are only outside on Tuesdays for pickup. They're in my garage the rest of the time.

If the bag was put in a full bin awaiting pickup, that's fine.

If the bag was put in an empty bin after pickup, I'd be upset. The bin will be hauled back into my garage until the next week's pickup and I don't want a bag of dog waste in the bottom of the bin, where more trash will be piled on top, possibly breaking the bag and causing leakage and requiring cleanup or stinking up my garage.

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Post by: siamesecat2965 on May 15, 2015, 02:30:22 PM
I'm scratching my head over a PM on FB i just received. From a friend from college. Who I was very close too, as well as her ex-DH. They met when we were out together. We kept in touch after we graduated, and then they got divorced. She also changed her name. Not just her last, but first and middle as well. So let’s say she used to be Jane Smith and now is Matilda Marie Anderson. Why she did that, I don’t know, but she was always a little out there. But her choice, so fine.

I found this out maybe 10 years ago when I got a Christmas card from someone I didn't recognize, but it was from her, and she explained her new name etc. Once we both joined FB, we reconnected, and have commented on each other’s stuff. So in a nutshell, I know pretty much what she’s been up to in life, and I thought she did me.

But the message I got today said something like “hey, its me Mathilda Marie Anderson, but I used to be Jane Smith and I changed my name when DH and I got divorced.” She then went on to ask me something relating to my first job and career, which I haven’t been in for a good 20+ years. Just very weird.

Its like she hasn’t known me or been in touch with me at all. I found it very strange and am trying to figure out how to respond, when I really just want to say “I know who you are, duh, and I also haven’t worked in that industry in over 20 years, and you knew that!

And I don't think its a case of her account being hacked, because she knew details about what I had been doing at one time, it wasn't a generic "hey, its me, now known as this, how are you?" message.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: kherbert05 on May 16, 2015, 02:38:50 PM
I volunteered at the Food Bank today with a group of friends. Many of the other groups had a fair number of kids with them. I like kids, but I was a little worried that the kids would get bored and underfoot especially the 6 - 10 year olds.

Not One single special snowflake in the bunch. Those kids worked hard in the heat. I didn't hear one kid whining or complaining. I was on the side sorting water and not water drinks into smaller boxes. 1 group of kids figured out how many each of the different sized bottles of water fitted in the box and weighed as close as possible to 35 lb. Some of the little kids were placed inside the large boxes when it was down to things on the very bottom and handed them to us rather than the adults bending in 1/2 to reach the bottom of the big boxes.  The  older kids were picking up 30 and 35 lb boxes of drinks to weigh on the scale and to put on the pallets. Several kids went around collecting any busted cans/bottles.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: pwy a wyr on May 17, 2015, 01:36:13 AM
Siamese Cat, wh6 don't you say just that? It seems the fastest way to sort it out. I must admit, I'm curious after such a strange message too.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Hillia on May 17, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
DH and I have just completed square dance lessons.  In the square dance world, people generally belong to a club, and the clubs host dances on a set schedule, usually stopping during the summer as it gets hard to have enough dancers with people going on vacation, etc.  Also, the whole emphasis of square dance is on fun and friendliness, and new dancers are generally treated with great kindness and patience by more experienced dancers - so if you forget a move and mess up your square, it's usually resolved with a lot of laughter and people scrambling around to get in the right place.

Last night though...whew.  Our club/class went to a dance hosted by the local umbrella organization.  The first dance, DH and I ended up in a square with 3 other couples that we didn't know, which normally would be no problem.  But one man, who is coincidentally the president of the umbrella organization, acted as though we were ruining his night.  In my nervousness, my mind went completely blank on the first call, and his grim attitude made it worse until I couldn't handle even the simplest things.  The others in the square were not as bad, but not a bit of cheer or pleasantness out of any of them.  We were all relieved when the song was over and we could disperse.

I am happy to say that the rest of the night was much more like what we've experienced before, with people being helpful and good natured, and we had a great time.  But that first group almost had me ready to give up and go home.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: siamesecat2965 on May 18, 2015, 02:22:21 PM
Siamese Cat, wh6 don't you say just that? It seems the fastest way to sort it out. I must admit, I'm curious after such a strange message too.

I ended up just ignoring the part where she told me who she is, and let her know that I haven't been in that field for 20+ years (publishing) and didn't really have any suggestions as its changed a lot, due to digital publishing etc. I told another friend who knew her as well, and she agreed it was kind of strange. I thought about letting her know i did know who she was, but everything i came up with sounded a bit snarky, so I just left well enough alone!
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on May 20, 2015, 01:04:14 AM
Okay, I'm writing something, and I need a phrase translated to Spanish, but I'm not trusting Google Translate! What I need is a phrase something like "We Be Not Sinners Nor Be We Saints", or "Halfway a Sinner, Halfway a Saint", or something similar. Can anyone help with that?
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Post by: Venus193 on May 20, 2015, 07:57:50 AM
Maybe not a direct translation (most aren't exact) but how about "medio pecador, medio santo"?
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 20, 2015, 08:30:10 AM
When people are on speaker phone and don't shut their office doors. At the moment, two different people are on speaker phone with two others. They both have their doors open. I shut mine, as it is distracting and annoying.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on May 20, 2015, 11:28:48 AM
Maybe not a direct translation (most aren't exact) but how about "medio pecador, medio santo"?

I like that, thank you. :) (I wish I had taken Spanish in high school instead of French... especially as I know exactly one sentence in French, and even then only spoken...)
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Post by: Venus193 on May 20, 2015, 05:34:31 PM
A good tool for starting to learn Spanish:

http://learner.org/resources/series75.html

When you've gone through that, just start watching novelas!

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Post by: KenveeB on May 20, 2015, 08:00:09 PM
I'm scratching my head over a PM on FB i just received. From a friend from college. Who I was very close too, as well as her ex-DH. They met when we were out together. We kept in touch after we graduated, and then they got divorced. She also changed her name. Not just her last, but first and middle as well. So let’s say she used to be Jane Smith and now is Matilda Marie Anderson. Why she did that, I don’t know, but she was always a little out there. But her choice, so fine.

I found this out maybe 10 years ago when I got a Christmas card from someone I didn't recognize, but it was from her, and she explained her new name etc. Once we both joined FB, we reconnected, and have commented on each other’s stuff. So in a nutshell, I know pretty much what she’s been up to in life, and I thought she did me.

But the message I got today said something like “hey, its me Mathilda Marie Anderson, but I used to be Jane Smith and I changed my name when DH and I got divorced.” She then went on to ask me something relating to my first job and career, which I haven’t been in for a good 20+ years. Just very weird.

Its like she hasn’t known me or been in touch with me at all. I found it very strange and am trying to figure out how to respond, when I really just want to say “I know who you are, duh, and I also haven’t worked in that industry in over 20 years, and you knew that!

And I don't think its a case of her account being hacked, because she knew details about what I had been doing at one time, it wasn't a generic "hey, its me, now known as this, how are you?" message.

Maybe it was a kind of personalized mass email -- she sent the same basic email to everyone she knew who had ever worked in the particular industry, changing names but not much more information. So it would come off as fine to some people but oddly stilted to others, depending on how close to her they were.
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on May 20, 2015, 08:18:47 PM
A good tool for starting to learn Spanish:

http://learner.org/resources/series75.html

When you've gone through that, just start watching novelas!

Totally bookmarked that. :)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: jedikaiti on May 20, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
There's also a language learning app for Android phones/tablets* called DuoLingo, and which supports multiple languages. They've announced Klingon is coming soon, and I can't wait!

*I have not investigated whether or not it is available for Apple or Windows OSs.
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Post by: Psychopoesie on May 20, 2015, 09:49:43 PM
There's also a language learning app for Android phones/tablets* called DuoLingo, and which supports multiple languages. They've announced Klingon is coming soon, and I can't wait!

*I have not investigated whether or not it is available for Apple or Windows OSs.

I have Duolingo on my iPad. It's fun for the most part.

In my experience, it does not cope well with an Aussie accent (and mine's not even that broad).

I tried it with French which I had studied before and had to deliberately mispronounce some phrases to get Duolingo to accept them.
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Post by: WolfWay on May 21, 2015, 12:06:02 AM
A good tool for starting to learn Spanish:

http://learner.org/resources/series75.html

When you've gone through that, just start watching novelas!
Duolingo.com has free step by step interactive spanish lessons as well.

*Whoops, I just saw other people posted that. Silly me.  ;)
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: ladyknight1 on May 21, 2015, 09:20:29 AM
Senior Prank day. What a ridiculous concept. My friend's school allowed their seniors to make a huge mess, create trip hazards on the stairs (covered with at least 30 cubic feet of shredded paper) and stack all classroom furniture. My friend thinks it is hilarious. She calls it a rite of passage.  :-X :-[ ::) ??? :o

No school work is being done, because all the staff and students have to spend the day putting the school to rights.

This is my opinion, I respect differing ones, but I see no value in creating a huge mess and a dangerous one at that.
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Post by: Mustard on May 21, 2015, 10:48:06 AM
I find the concept of Prank Day puzzling, and quite frankly stacking classroom furniture shows a marked lack of imagination..
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Post by: Thipu1 on May 21, 2015, 10:48:29 AM
Senior pranks can be fun.  I heard of one today that was good.  The school had an outdoor, electronic message board.  The kids rigged it to display that the school was for sale.  96 rooms, 28 bathrooms, etc.  just like aregular real estate listing.  They were asking 2.5 million dollars. 

The one described in the earlier post just sounds dangerous. 

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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 21, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
^That sounds amazing. I've seen a lot of good ones by MIT and other colleges, and then high schools setting up a classroom outside, or on the roof, or something creative. This was nothing more than a mess. I felt horrible for the custodial staff.
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Post by: andi on May 21, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
My high school banned Senior pranks after one class went through and super glued all the door locks in one building  and vacaline coated all the door knobs in another.

My senior year sorta brought it back - we painted the speed bumps hot pink and unplugged all the clocks
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Post by: Mary Lennox on May 21, 2015, 12:37:39 PM
Our senior prank day was fairly tame. Everyone bought one or two garden gnomes from the dollar store and throughout the day groups of gnomes would randomly appear through the campus. Nice and safe and barely any clean up at the end.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 21, 2015, 01:02:41 PM
I love those pranks, they are clever and cause no harm. DH and his friends brought a fire hydrant to school for their senior prank. They wore trench coats (in Florida, in May!) and carried it between them. It moved from place to place all day.
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Post by: Frog24 on May 21, 2015, 01:41:42 PM
I am sad that it'll be another 8 years... yeeeeeeaaaarrrssss before I can show my favorite movies to my daughter:  "Willow", "The Princess Bride", "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?", etc.  I want to watch them with her and enjoy them as much as I do.

However, I'm also worried that by the time she's old enough to watch them, she won't find them interesting because kids movies today as so fast-paced, with hyper-animation, and fast shot cuts.  I tried watching "Mary Poppins" with her a few months ago (when she was 4 and a half) and she couldn't get through the first half hour because it was too slow and "boring".  :(
Title: Re: File under Miscellaneous: Topics That Don't Deserve A Whole Thread
Post by: siamesecat2965 on May 21, 2015, 02:04:24 PM
Senior pranks can be fun.  I heard of one today that was good.  The school had an outdoor, electronic message board.  The kids rigged it to display that the school was for sale.  96 rooms, 28 bathrooms, etc.  just like aregular real estate listing.  They were asking 2.5 million dollars. 

The one described in the earlier post just sounds dangerous.

I was just going to post this! this kind of prank is fine in my book. no damage to any property, as the message can be changed very easily, and actually creative and kind of funny! i seem to recall one part said something about can feed hundreds at a time. i.e. the cafeteria
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Post by: LadyDyani on May 21, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
I am sad that it'll be another 8 years... yeeeeeeaaaarrrssss before I can show my favorite movies to my daughter:  "Willow", "The Princess Bride", "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?", etc.  I want to watch them with her and enjoy them as much as I do.

However, I'm also worried that by the time she's old enough to watch them, she won't find them interesting because kids movies today as so fast-paced, with hyper-animation, and fast shot cuts.  I tried watching "Mary Poppins" with her a few months ago (when she was 4 and a half) and she couldn't get through the first half hour because it was too slow and "boring".  :(

I think she'll like them fine. My daughter didn't enjoy Mary Poppins until she was 8-9 years old. My son is 14 and my daughter is 17 and they both love Princess Bride, and both enjoyed Roger Rabbit. Haven't shown them Willow yet, I'll bet my daughter would love it.

When she was 11 years old I showed her The Last Unicorn and she fell in love with that, and that movie moves suuuuuuper sloooooooow.

Get her the Muppet Movie, the one from the 70's. I'm almost 40 and I still love that one.  :-D
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Post by: turtleIScream on May 21, 2015, 10:20:15 PM
I am sad that it'll be another 8 years... yeeeeeeaaaarrrssss before I can show my favorite movies to my daughter:  "Willow", "The Princess Bride", "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?", etc.  I want to watch them with her and enjoy them as much as I do.

However, I'm also worried that by the time she's old enough to watch them, she won't find them interesting because kids movies today as so fast-paced, with hyper-animation, and fast shot cuts.  I tried watching "Mary Poppins" with her a few months ago (when she was 4 and a half) and she couldn't get through the first half hour because it was too slow and "boring".  :(

We just watched The Princess Bride with my 5 1/2 year old. He loved it. His favourite line is "murdered by pirates is good." Obviously, he will enjoy it more as he gets older and understands more, but fortunately, TPB only improves with repeat viewings. So, maybe you only have a year or less!
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Post by: Julian on May 21, 2015, 10:37:55 PM
My high school banned Senior pranks after one class went through and super glued all the door locks in one building  and vacaline coated all the door knobs in another.

My senior year sorta brought it back - we painted the speed bumps hot pink and unplugged all the clocks

My first year of high school senior pranks were also banned - after they 'borrowed' the school flag pole and it couldn't be found.

By time my senior year rolled around, the flag pole turned up.  It had been laid down alongside a building's foundation, and had been there all along.
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Post by: kherbert05 on May 23, 2015, 06:04:44 PM
Senior Pranks were banned in the my district back when my Dad's 1st cousins went to my HS - I suspect 2 of them may have had something to do with it. They are the source of at least one school legend.

My Junior year the district was talking about which 2 HS to close due to declining enrollment. They were focused on our 2 biggest rivals. Due to the feeder system 2 different Junior Highs fed into our HS. Roughly 1/2 the population of the JHs went to my school the other 1/2 went to one of our rivals. (Caused fights and troubles all 3 years of JH).

Our school was vandalized as a "prank" early in the year. A large number of kids from the school west of us were caught. They were seniors including all the senior class officers. Their prom fund was used to make the repairs. Which I thought was unfair. The families of the kids caught should have had to pay not the entire class. Their school was vandalized the next week -  but it could not be proven it was seniors from my school. Should have been easy they were bragging about it.

I ended up in the ER because of the repairs - and the admin tried to push the kids from the other HS under the bus for that to. The pad that goes on the wall under the basketball hoop, was slashed. So it was taken down after school one day and a new one put up. Some type of glue was used. The next day I was in Drama 4th period and Drill team 5th. I was accidentally exposed to spray paint because the group working on some set pieces put them in the auditorium still wet because it was raining - then I went to Drill team and was working out - and passed out. Was taken to the nurse, then to the ER by Mom on doctor's orders. (ER was less than 5 min from school, Doctor was 45min - 1hour due to Houston Traffic).

The district administrators contacted my parents basically offering up the kids as scapegoats. My parents had threatened a law suit over extreme physical bullying when I was in 5th, and in 7th grade a medical study that looked at my cumulative file found my 3rd grade teacher had documented abusive behavior on her part. So I think it was a oh #*&# it is that family moment. Dad's response was to tell them those kids and the school could not have foreseen that someone would react that many hours after the glue had been applied. It was the unlikely combo of the spray paint fumes + the lingering glue fumes (They had a person in there all night running the fans)+ my damaged lungs.

I know there were notes in my file ordering that in the case of allergic reaction to call 911 and send me to the ER. They may have thought that wasn't followed by the school. But Mom was volunteering that day. She had signed  - so the staff knew she was there.
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Post by: dawnfire on May 28, 2015, 04:31:05 AM
What a stupid thing to steal.

They stole a foot of garden hose and mad it pretty useless in process. They've cut it with a knife or other sharp object just below the connector instead of just unclicking the connector.
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Post by: Luci on May 28, 2015, 05:16:58 AM
What a stupid thing to steal.

They stole a foot of garden hose and mad it pretty useless in process. They've cut it with a knife or other sharp object just below the connector instead of just unclicking the connector.

That happened here in the 70s. People would cut off just enough to use to syphon gasoline from cars. It was over a foot, of course, but still hust a section.
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Post by: rose red on May 29, 2015, 11:18:39 AM
Last weekend, I had a vivid dream that a very close relative lured me into a warehouse where I found out they want to kill me. I escaped and ran into a McDonald's where the employees hid me in the bathroom. I don't usually remember dreams but I remembered this one after I woke up. The following day as I was watching the morning news, there was a story about a person getting attacked with a knife and ran into a McDonald's for help. Pretty strange thing to wake up to.

On a lighter note, it took me about 10 minutes to understand this post :P:
http://notalwaysworking.com/refuses-to-go-through-the-20-cm-questions/38675
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on May 29, 2015, 01:04:30 PM
I am sad that it'll be another 8 years... yeeeeeeaaaarrrssss before I can show my favorite movies to my daughter:  "Willow", "The Princess Bride", "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?", etc.  I want to watch them with her and enjoy them as much as I do.

However, I'm also worried that by the time she's old enough to watch them, she won't find them interesting because kids movies today as so fast-paced, with hyper-animation, and fast shot cuts.  I tried watching "Mary Poppins" with her a few months ago (when she was 4 and a half) and she couldn't get through the first half hour because it was too slow and "boring".  :(

I think she'll like them fine. My daughter didn't enjoy Mary Poppins until she was 8-9 years old. My son is 14 and my daughter is 17 and they both love Princess Bride, and both enjoyed Roger Rabbit. Haven't shown them Willow yet, I'll bet my daughter would love it.

When she was 11 years old I showed her The Last Unicorn and she fell in love with that, and that movie moves suuuuuuper sloooooooow.

Get her the Muppet Movie, the one from the 70's. I'm almost 40 and I still love that one.  :-D

I was going to also say to give it time.  I bought MP years ago and they just weren't into it.  Now it's one of their favorites.  I haven't thought about Willow in years but I'm dying for them to see Goonies.  I might have to buy that one.
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Post by: jpcher on June 03, 2015, 07:29:07 PM
GO BLACKHAWKS! ;D ;D  ;D
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Post by: andi on June 03, 2015, 08:30:07 PM
GO BLACKHAWKS! ;D ;D  ;D

Yes!!   Lots of yelling at the tv tonight. The dogs wNt I tot the other room to nap
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Post by: 2littlemonkeys on June 04, 2015, 10:53:01 AM
GO BLACKHAWKS! ;D ;D  ;D

WOOT!

Though I must say Killorn's goal in the first period was lovely
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Post by: Ms_Cellany on June 04, 2015, 04:40:03 PM

On a lighter note, it took me about 10 minutes to understand this post :P:
http://notalwaysworking.com/refuses-to-go-through-the-20-cm-questions/38675

Took me about 2000 milliminutes.
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Post by: Hmmmmm on June 04, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
I have two solid black cats, siblings, male and female. Male is much larger and has much longer hair and he probably looses half his hair in the summer. Female is considered a long hair but hers is thicker, shorter, and she remains very thick coat in the summer. But curious why the females hair goes from black to rust color in the summer on her stomache. Any ideas?

The male ends up with white/grey tips on his mane during the winter, but never goes to a rust color.
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Post by: Tea Drinker on June 05, 2015, 12:03:30 AM
Just her stomach?

I know humans who have black hair in the winter, and then reddish-brown by the end of the summer, from exposure to the sunlight.
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Post by: Hmmmmm on June 05, 2015, 08:39:29 AM
Just her stomach?

I know humans who have black hair in the winter, and then reddish-brown by the end of the summer, from exposure to the sunlight.
Yes, just her stomach and a tad on her chest area. I hadn't thought about the sunlight. Maybe she spends a lot of time sunning her tummy. I do know she sleeps on her back a lot more than a normal cat.
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Post by: sidi-ji on June 21, 2015, 06:50:54 AM
Grr.. I don't have time to love and watch another well acted TV show:  Girlfriends Guide to Divorce.
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Post by: Snooks on July 07, 2015, 03:45:20 PM
I had a massive anxiety dream last night about a gift I'm arranging for DH, of course I can't tell him about it, very annoying.  I woke up, went back to sleep and had another anxiety dream (about leaving my mom behind at a train station).  Hopefully I'll have a more peaceful night tonight.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on July 07, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
This is inspired by the seat change airline thread.

I booked flights in January leaving at the end of July and returning mid August. The flight itself has been changed over 5 times, with the seat assignment getting bumped each time. How do you arrange for a particular seat when the airline keeps changing the planes?
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Post by: Sirius on July 07, 2015, 04:12:55 PM
I have two solid black cats, siblings, male and female. Male is much larger and has much longer hair and he probably looses half his hair in the summer. Female is considered a long hair but hers is thicker, shorter, and she remains very thick coat in the summer. But curious why the females hair goes from black to rust color in the summer on her stomache. Any ideas?

The male ends up with white/grey tips on his mane during the winter, but never goes to a rust color.

Does she sleep sunny side up in the sun a lot?  My tri-colored sheltie, who was primarily black with a white collar and tan and white markings, took on a rusty hue in the summers because she liked napping in the sun.  She also got rustier when she got older.  There are special black dog shampoos for black dogs who go to dog shows.
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Post by: Seraphia on July 08, 2015, 02:33:31 PM
I have two solid black cats, siblings, male and female. Male is much larger and has much longer hair and he probably looses half his hair in the summer. Female is considered a long hair but hers is thicker, shorter, and she remains very thick coat in the summer. But curious why the females hair goes from black to rust color in the summer on her stomache. Any ideas?

The male ends up with white/grey tips on his mane during the winter, but never goes to a rust color.

Does she sleep sunny side up in the sun a lot?  My tri-colored sheltie, who was primarily black with a white collar and tan and white markings, took on a rusty hue in the summers because she liked napping in the sun.  She also got rustier when she got older.  There are special black dog shampoos for black dogs who go to dog shows.

Our black cat got a rusty tummy in the summer too, and that was why. He just couldn't resist a nice warm pavement, and he preferred sleeping on his back to display his floof.
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Post by: jpcher on July 08, 2015, 06:10:33 PM
This is a funny I had to share . . . Almost belongs in the Special Snowflake thread, but she recovered. ;)

My company is putting on a big show tomorrow which is taking place outside under a huge tent. While we were outside for the dress rehearsal there came, wafting through the tent, a horrendous! I mean very strong and putrid smell. Everybody's face turned to a grimace at the same time.

I was standing next to Person In Charge (PIC) who almost shrieked "What is that smell!"

Head of our facilities/maintenance (HF) explained that it was coming from the waste management company down the road.

PIC turned to HF and said in a very authoritative tone "Well. This cannot happen tomorrow. It will ruin the show. Make them stop. Call them. Tell them not to do this tomorrow. We simply cannot have this!"

HF raised one eyebrow and simply looked at PIC . . . crickets . . . I had to pick my jaw up off the floor (did she really say that?) . . . crickets . . .

PIC: What? You always get things done! Please! (at least she said please ;)) Just take care of it.

HF (very calm and matter of fact): And I suppose you want me to call God, too, and tell him to change the direction of the wind?

PIC (the change of expression on her face was priceless): "Oh.my.goodness. I just asked you to do something stupid, didn't I? (She started laughing) I can't believe I just said that! (laughing more) You always get things done! You're so good, I can count on you for anything!

HF: Yeah, but I haven't been promoted to God-status yet, otherwise you know I would have done it. 8)



This just made my day . . . had to share.  ;D
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Post by: ladyknight1 on October 07, 2015, 09:01:09 AM
As a guest, what is most important to you at a party?

I'm passively planning our 20th anniversary party - two years away. I would like to have a hotel banquet space, music, good food, dancing and a wine bar. I'm not planning on doing anything myself besides the planning, payments and reservations to avoid stress. I estimate 20-50 guests.
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Post by: Mergatroyd on October 07, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
As a guest, what is most important to you at a party?

I'm passively planning our 20th anniversary party - two years away. I would like to have a hotel banquet space, music, good food, dancing and a wine bar. I'm not planning on doing anything myself besides the planning, payments and reservations to avoid stress. I estimate 20-50 guests.

Food, beverages, upbeat music that is easy to talk over but fills in blank spaces. Somewhere safe to put my coat? Safe rides home?
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Post by: Harriet Jones on October 07, 2015, 10:38:32 AM
"Enough" seating.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on October 07, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
I plan to have extra seating, no forced mingling. I did not factor in paying for taxis, so I will add that.
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Post by: MonteCristo on October 07, 2015, 01:31:05 PM
I plan to have extra seating, no forced mingling. I did not factor in paying for taxis, so I will add that.

I'm not a big drinker, nor to I go to a lot of parties, but I personally don't think you need to pay for the taxis, just have the information handy so your guests could contact one.
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Post by: mandycorn on October 07, 2015, 02:08:42 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't expect my host to pay for my ride, but if it's an unfamiliar area for me, a recommendation for a taxi/car service is super helpful.

I also agree with Mergatroyd on music in the background. Really lively parties always seem to have a great playlist going, but at a volume where it doesn't overpower conversation. Parties with no music at all tend to not feel as exciting and parties where you can't escape from the music tend to thin out quickly as people leave the space to get some quiet.
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Post by: jpcher on October 07, 2015, 05:10:27 PM
Good food.*

I've been to many banquets (in fact, one last week) where everything was perfect, good music, scheduled presentations, excellent company, etc. The one comment that seepms to prevail is "The food wasn't all that good." or "For banquet food? It was passable."

So I say go the extra mile on the menu.


I agree that you don't have to pay for taxi's, but having info available would be good.



*Well, maybe not the most important, but I think it's up there.
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Post by: Tea Drinker on October 07, 2015, 07:03:31 PM
Maybe not "most important," but some interesting nonalcoholic drinks would be good: a lot of people will set up a wine bar, or get a variety of beers, and the non-alcoholic options will be water and maybe Coke, at which point a lot depends on how good the local tap water tastes. You don't have to go fancy, but things like lemonade and iced tea not from powdered mixes, orange juice, or a bit more variety of sodas are nice.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on October 07, 2015, 07:18:33 PM
We'll definitely have an assortment of drinks, alcoholic and non. Right now, I'm thinking Italian, but we will have the meal catered, it will be better than most banquet food.
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Post by: Winterlight on October 07, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
*Coat check so I don't have to haul it around.
*Something for nondrinkers that isn't club soda, regular soda or water. I can't drink carbonated beverages and while I like plain water it's a little boring.
*Places to put things down- little tables to hold your drink/food if you aren't seated at a dining table.
*Real china and silverware, especially if the food needs cutting or you aren't seated at tables. Plastic is no fun when it breaks.
*Soft music in the background. I stress soft, because having to talk over the music is annoying.
*Consistent food. Sushi appetizers followed by fettucini Alfredo followed by apple pie would seem weird.
*Food for at least basic divisions like vegetarian.
*Plenty of seating, especially if there's dancing. People need to be able to kick their shoes off between numbers.
*Music people can dance to. I don't care if it's the Wobble or Viennese waltz. I do care if you want us to dance and have picked a bunch of non-danceable music.
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Post by: CakeEater on November 09, 2015, 08:36:20 PM
Is there a way to filter my Facebook Newsfeed so I don't see everything that my friend's have liked? I'm tired of scrolling through countless pictures and posts of people I don't know because a friend has liked it to get to see anything my friends have actually posted.

I just want to see pictures and posts that friends have posted. Is there a way to do that?
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Post by: WolfWay on November 09, 2015, 10:01:12 PM
I think you have to go to the individual friend's page, go to the "following" button and deselect the things you don't want to see from them.  I'm on mobile at the moment, so I can't give you the exact names of things.

Update: I just had a poke around on my phone, they seem to have changed the settings again. There used to be an option that you could select which kinds of updates you wanted from a friend (so if you wanted to see statuses but not photos and comments, you could unselect photos and comments). I can't find that setting now.
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Post by: CakeEater on November 09, 2015, 10:23:10 PM
Yeah, it seems to be in the last couple of months that I'm seeing everything people 'like' - not from people I'm friends with but have unfollowed though.

It annoys me that the opposite is also true - it makes me not want to like things, because it makes the post appear in all my friends' newsfeeds, presumedly.
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on November 10, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
I plan to have extra seating, no forced mingling. I did not factor in paying for taxis, so I will add that.

I'm not a big drinker, nor to I go to a lot of parties, but I personally don't think you need to pay for the taxis, just have the information handy so your guests could contact one.

And maybe, since you say in a hotel banquet room, reserve a block of rooms, maybe for guests who may want to have fun, and also stay over?