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Title: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Autumn Rose on April 30, 2013, 09:41:16 PM
Le sigh.   My son, 10 is going through the "pimple" phase.    Early puberty?   Bad genes?

Whatever the cause...what is the best solution to minimize the mini volcanos that erupt on their face?

His pre pubescent love life depends on you!   Lol

Thank you!
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: HoneyBee42 on April 30, 2013, 09:45:47 PM
Any of the over the counter stuff (spot treatment, facial soap) should work.  However, if it's really bad, a dermatologist (I was on antibiotics for acne and ended up stepping up all the way to Accutane--totally worth it to not look like I had pepperoni pizza for a face).
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: MrsJWine on April 30, 2013, 10:04:45 PM
Don't over-cleanse! That can irritate skin and make it worse. I would start gentle and work your way up. Or go to a dermatologist.

I don't know how it will work on a 10-year-old's skin, but I LOVE the oil cleansing method (Google it). I've been using it for five years now, and the only time my skin has flared up since was during first trimester of pregnancy and for a while last year after I took some medication. Up until then, I'd had constant breakouts since I was a preteen. I know it sounds very weird, but it works really well for some people. I use it with almond oil instead of olive oil, but olive oil works well, too.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Judah on April 30, 2013, 10:11:40 PM
I use the oil cleansing method and it works great except for the hormonal acne.  But nothing worked for my kids, so I took them to the dermatologist for prescriptions.  Each were given different prescriptions, but both have clear skin now.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: dustyninja on April 30, 2013, 11:17:57 PM
I use Neutrogena bar soap. For me it keeps the outbreaks at bay.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: WillyNilly on April 30, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
Adult acne is totally different from teen (and I guess tween) acne so I'm going back to my youth here: Stridex and/or Clearasil. While its not what I would recommend for someone in their 30's (for me, I'm loving Dr Jart+ Black Label Detox Cleansing cream, used with a complexion brush from Sephora), but as a teen those two products were my go to.

And while I know its not what you are 'supposed' to do, but I learned how to properly pop zits, and for me that was (and if I get one these days, still is) always part of the routine - I was/am grossed out by the idea of the puss being inside my skin. I need to physically remove it. I use an extractor, like this http://www.sephora.com/complexion-extractor-with-lance-P0013?skuId=1408418. There are tons of (gross) youtube videos on using one.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Danika on May 01, 2013, 02:05:21 AM
Poor kiddo. My pimple phase started at age 13. I was told then "Oh, it'll stop when you're about 18." It stopped when I was 30!!!

I tried everything. Over the counter Stridex, Oxy, etc. Not eating chocolate. Not eating oily foods. Retin-A. Nothing worked.

The only things that worked for me were:

1) Washing my face with a really really hot washcloth to open the pores and get dirt out. Then, quickly splashing my face with cold water (not using the used dirty hot wash cloth, again) to close the pores.

2) Not touching my face with my hands. So no resting my chin my palms in class, for example.

3) Finding a good dermatologist. He prescribed something called Sulfacet-R. That stuff was worth it's weight in gold and saved me from having permanently super pock-marked skin.

4) Changing my pillow-case often at night. Oily hair or conditioners are obviously not good for avoiding acne.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Outdoor Girl on May 01, 2013, 08:12:24 AM
Poor kiddo. My pimple phase started at age 13. I was told then "Oh, it'll stop when you're about 18." It stopped when I was 30!!!

Mine slowed but never stopped and they are starting to up the ante again now that I'm approaching menopause.  I was never 'pizza face' but I usually had at least one zit every day as a teen.  As one healed, another started.

I've never tried it but I do know a couple of people for whom ProActive worked really well.  My nephews use Clearsil wash and they both have prescriptions from a dermatologist for something.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Jones on May 01, 2013, 09:44:45 AM
Change of diet can help too. My mom had to cut chocolate. I had dairy breakouts.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: rashea on May 01, 2013, 10:08:05 AM
A facial mask of french clay used to work great for mine. I know it's not a boy thing to do, but it might be worth considering. But don't try to do it just for a special event. In fact, don't try anything as just a one time treatment for a special event.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: CLE_Girl on May 01, 2013, 10:22:11 AM
I didn't have "acne" as a teen (thank Deity!).  I did get zits, the massive painful ones, just one at a time.  For a general face wash I used Clean and Clear (I think my brother used Stridex), we both had astringent for post sports/work outs, and when I did get a zit I spot treated it with Clean and Clear Persa-gel 10, it's a 10% Benzoyl Peroxide cream that is just about the strongest non-rx stuff out there.

I've heard excellent things about ProActive (both Nutrogena and Clean and Clear have similar programs).
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: cutejellybeen on May 01, 2013, 10:27:08 AM
I was really lucky as a teen that I had mostly clear skin - I think it was from all the pool time I had as a swimmer. WhenI did use something I would use oxy - mostly when I noticed a pimple starting - but It got to be too harsh for my skin. when I was 18 I started using Cetaphil - its a really mild cleanser that still works for me today - doesnt dry my skin out, but keeps it clear. I still have a few persistent blackheads though...
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: whiskeytangofoxtrot on May 01, 2013, 10:52:23 AM
Lye soap, with rosemary?

A former coworker's sons had the worst time with acne, and no OTC remedy, dermatologist, or prescription seemed to help. Then serendipity happened! Just for the experience of having done it, he made lye soap with the fat renderings from a hog he'd raised, and added rosemary to part of the batch. He said the boys' faces cleared within a week, and they begged him to make more :).
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Kaora on May 01, 2013, 11:03:51 AM
I agree with another poster-- if it gets too bad, use a clay mask. :) If I just get a single, painful one, I use Seabreeze.  Plus, it smells nice!

I've had acne since... when?  Sometime in Middle School.  I've never noticed a change in my acne.  Is there a difference?
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: #borecore on May 01, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
I have done everything short of Accutane for my skin (and only passed on that because I was afraid of the side  effects, not because doctors didn't say I needed it). Antibiotics work for some, but not for me. Stridex, Oxy, Clearasil, Proactiv, Clean & Clear, Cetaphil, Burt's Bees, Mario Badescu, DDF, Peter Thomas Roth, Philosophy, Kiehl's, St. Ives Apricot Scrub, egg whites, toner, moisturizer, toothpaste, oatmeal, oil, and some I'm probably forgetting. Birth control (moot for boys).
Lots of things work for a while, but nothing is guaranteed.

I have had significant success lately (18 years of acne, so I'm not 100% convinced) with the Clarisonic (expensive but very durable) brush cycle once a day with a gentle cleanser (Cetaphil or Neutrogena acne wash) and either a scrub, a gentle wash or Clean & Clear wash (benzoyl peroxide instead of salicylic acid -- the main ingredient in stuff mostly marketed to teens) and Kiehl's unscented, gentle moisturizer (mainly marketed to men -- a tiny dot is enough for the whole face) with a salicylic acid spot treatment (Oxy or DDF).
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: LadyClaire on May 01, 2013, 11:34:42 AM
And while I know its not what you are 'supposed' to do, but I learned how to properly pop zits, and for me that was (and if I get one these days, still is) always part of the routine - I was/am grossed out by the idea of the puss being inside my skin. I need to physically remove it. I use an extractor, like this http://www.sephora.com/complexion-extractor-with-lance-P0013?skuId=1408418. There are tons of (gross) youtube videos on using one.

Same here. I tend to get zits right on the side of my neck, when I'm about to start my period. If I do not pop them, they just...stay there. I left one alone once and it just stuck around for weeks. I finally popped it, and it healed right away without leaving a mark.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Bethalize on May 01, 2013, 11:51:12 AM
The best (and only!) think I've ever found that works on cystic acne is Renee Rouleau's anti cyst treatment.  I have ordered it at great cost from the USA (because not only do I have to pay 20% VAT here, I have to pay an extortionate handling charge to get it) and I would do so again. I save it for cysts only but if it didn't cost me twice the price to get it I'd use it lots more.

http://www.reneerouleau.com/AntiCystTreatment.aspx
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: rose red on May 01, 2013, 01:08:40 PM
Here is an old Ann Landers column about a reader's experience with acne.  It's the first letter.  I've never tried it, but if you are gathering suggestions...
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-08-03/features/0008030067_1_egg-yolks-acne-dear-ann-landers
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Promise on May 01, 2013, 01:33:15 PM
We tried everything OTC for my son and finally went with Accutane. I wouldn't recommend it for girls because the side effects for them are horrific if they get pregnant. But for boys, that isn't an issue.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: lilfox on May 01, 2013, 02:22:13 PM
And while I know its not what you are 'supposed' to do, but I learned how to properly pop zits, and for me that was (and if I get one these days, still is) always part of the routine - I was/am grossed out by the idea of the puss being inside my skin. I need to physically remove it. I use an extractor, like this http://www.sephora.com/complexion-extractor-with-lance-P0013?skuId=1408418. There are tons of (gross) youtube videos on using one.

Same here. I tend to get zits right on the side of my neck, when I'm about to start my period. If I do not pop them, they just...stay there. I left one alone once and it just stuck around for weeks. I finally popped it, and it healed right away without leaving a mark.

Yep.  Use clean hands and tissues or warm washcloths, which cuts down on infection risk.  I'd only advise that for general pimples, though, not acne and definitely not cystic acne (I think those are all separate types, please feel free to correct me if not!).

I was fortunate not to have teenage acne, just the "periodic" pimples.  I found the hard way that any kind of toner or cleanser aggravated my skin so I couldn't and still can't use anything like that.  It was hard to give up on the idea of using a daily cleanser (shouldn't that improve skin??) but really, if it doesn't help, don't use it.  Spot reducers were okay but never seemed to speed the healing.  I remember reading in some mag like Glamour or Seventeen that you could use Visine to reduce the redness of a pimple, not sure if that's true or not (or recommended anymore).

On the other hand, my brother had full-out acne, possibly cystic, and did not care for it properly so his back and shoulders always looked like a war zone after wearing sports gear for a season.  I think he was eventually on Accutane or some other prescription, but there were other things he needed to do (clean/dry out his gear, change shirts often, etc) to make it most effective and he just didn't.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: MrsJWine on May 01, 2013, 04:02:35 PM
Do you use fabric softener? Do you make sure to rinse clothes (especially sheets) until the water runs clear? I know if the acne has a different, underlying cause, that won't fix it, but gunk in the fabric can make it worse. My skin got markedly better when I got rid of the fabric softener, switched to vinegar, and began doing an extra rinse/using less soap for each load.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Hijinks on May 01, 2013, 04:34:18 PM
Lye soap, with rosemary?

A former coworker's sons had the worst time with acne, and no OTC remedy, dermatologist, or prescription seemed to help. Then serendipity happened! Just for the experience of having done it, he made lye soap with the fat renderings from a hog he'd raised, and added rosemary to part of the batch. He said the boys' faces cleared within a week, and they begged him to make more :).

As a soapmaker, I wish I could "like" this post :)  Personally I'd recommend homemade lye soap to anyone with any kind of skin problem.  So-called "soap" in the store is usually anything but.  For example, here's the ingredients of Dove:

Dove Sensitive Skin Unscented Beauty Bar Ingredients:
•Sodium Lauroyl Isethionate - MSDS fact sheet states, "may be harmful when inhaled, ingested, and if it is absorbed by the skin" and "can cause eye or skin irritation" and "may dry out skin and has no beneficial properties."  Yet it's the highest percentage ingredient in Dove.
•Stearic Acid - adds hardness and lather.
•Sodium Tallowate - saponified beef or pig fat (saponified means turned from fat to soap via lye)
•Sodium Palmitate - saponified palm oil
•Lauric Acid - Firms the bar and cleanses
•Sodium Isethionate - makes a dense lather in addition to the lather made by the soap
•Water - a means of dissolving the oxidizer (the thing that combines with the oils to make soap).
•Sodium Stearate - saponified stearic acid
•Cocamidopropyl Betaine - A surfactant, or detergent
•Sodium Cocoate - saponified coconut oil
•Sodium Palm Kernelate - saponified palm kernel oil
•Sodium Chloride - Salt
•Tetrasodium EDTA - a preservative that’s made from the known carcinogens, formaldehyde and sodium cyanide
•Tetrasodium Etidronate  - used as a water softener in soaps to prevent soap scums and bathtub rings by locking up the calcium and magnesium in the water.
•Maltol - used for enhancing flavors and aromas, which is odd in an "unscented" soap
•Titanium Dioxide - gives the soap a white color

So there's already some highly questionable stuff in that bar.  Compare that to a handmade soap bar:

Ingredients:
Saponified oils of coconut, grapeseed, and castor
Lard
Kaolin clay - natural mineral that adds slip/smoothness of lather
Shea butter
Mica or oxide pigment for coloring
Fragrance

Here's the ingredients of a "castile" or 100% olive oil soap:
Saponified olive oil
Colorant (if any)
Fragrance (if any)

The castile soap is going to be the mildest soap that you can use.  It's not going to have a huge amount of fluffy bubbles, but it's going to get you clean without adding any nasty chemicals or preservatives.  I would highly recommend castile for acne or excema.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: hobish on May 01, 2013, 05:43:51 PM

This may sound ridiculous, but make sure he actually knows how to wash his face. Gish had terrible skin growing up. I mean awful. His mom took him to the doctor, to the dermatologist, they tried everything there was to try. Imagine her shock when we went to visit one day and he says, “I don’t think I really knew how to wash my face right until about a year ago.”  :o He had to have been at least 24 years old by then! I think his mom and I both had our mouths hanging open.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Dazi on May 01, 2013, 08:19:31 PM
The easiest, least expensive, and most effective acne treatment I have ever found is just plain old baking soda and water. 

Dampen face, sprinkle some baking soda in your hand, add a bit of water if needed, gently scrub, rinse well, moisturize.  You can also use a face cloth, but a clean one should be used every single time. 

This method also works well on body acne.  You can use baking soda alone or sprinkle it on a lathered poof.

I second the suggestion that you make sure he knows how to properly wash his face...a surprising number of people do not.  Also, make sure he keeps his hands off his face during the day.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: mmswm on May 01, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
My 14 year old (well, in 10 days he'll be 14, anyway) son swears by liquid Irish Spring body wash.  He puts it on a regular wash rag and cleans his face and body with it.  He has really bad back/arm/chest acne as well.  He started using Irish Spring about 4 months ago.  His acne problems are just about as bad as they can get, and using the Irish Spring has really worked a miracle.  He still has a few zits, but only a few here and there, not the massive, never ending zit from his face down to his waist.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Aquamarine on May 06, 2013, 05:57:55 PM
Don't experiment with home remedies.  To tell if certain things are effective takes several weeks or more and with each week that goes by the scarring can slowly become worse over the years of trying to remedy something at home.  Take your son to a derm and head this issue off with something that is clinically proven to work.

I have clients that spend many thousands to get rid of the scars left behind from years of acne because their parents were insistent "you don't go to the Dr for a few pimples".  Chemical peels, laser resurfacing, fillers are tedious, expensive and uncomfortable so nip this in the bud and save your son a potential face full of scars.

No one knows who will scar and who won't but I do know that over the years untreated or experimentally treated at home acne can sometimes leave the skin in a horrible, disfigured condition.

Last but not least clear healthy skin is always something that will help a teenager feel less self conscious as they go through adolescence.
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: KaraokeMom on May 06, 2013, 07:57:05 PM
My to-go remedy is Neutrogena Clear Pore Cleanser/Mask. I discovered this 2 years ago, and it's my miracle. My teen son also started on it, and the zits on his face went away as well.

I hardly ever use it as a mask (too strong), but I do use it as a cleanser every other day. I think it is the only cleanser that has 3.5% benzoyl peroxide, which is gentle enough for my skin but still keeps it clear. I also use baking soda to exfoliate every other time. I make sure to use a gentle lotion (Vanicream Lite) afterwards to combat the dryness.

 
Title: Re: Acne. The four letter word.
Post by: Ser Lucien Liliane on May 06, 2013, 11:23:07 PM
Acne, ick - been there done that, I had horrible cystic acne for YEARS to the point I couldn't even go out in public--

(if you'd like to see - this was on a GOOD day! (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/AtarashiiKisetsu/Me/100_0116.jpg))

The one thing I found that really worked, through the entire slew of prescription remedies and OTC remedies and home remedies...was something I could only find at Walgreens. Unfortunately I don't remember the brand name, just that I think it had three words, the stuff was Pepto-Bismol pink, a two-part liquid/paste that you shook to mix before using, and it smelt rather awful - if anyone has any idea can you please remind me? Walgreens' website search is down, I can't find it...

It does mean you've got to run about with pink patches all over your face (you leave it on overnight, but it really does work!

Also very, very good for lighter acne, like I've got now, is the Aveeno "Calming Naturals" line and the "Clear Complexion" sensitive skin pads. It may be worth giving those a try; they're certainly not going to hurt anything! :)

(ETA: I found it! It's Bye Bye Blemish drying lotion - it's salicylic acid, which is why I liked it so much; benzoyl peroxide does very bad things to my skin. And I remembered wrong, you don't shake it - you just dip a Q-tip in the pink stuff. My bad...)