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Title: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Amara on June 24, 2013, 08:57:34 AM
LadyJaneinMD had a great idea in the Beggars & Moochers thread of starting one specifically for those who craft and are constantly begged for work to be done cheaply or even for free. Happily, here it is.

I write. Not surprisingly, I get asked (more accurately, it's assumed) to write for free because "after all, you like to write so it's not like it's work for you." Closely related to that is the "you like to read so you can edit my book (note: for "royalties")," followed by "you can review my book on Amazon!" Ugh. I also love the "I have this great idea for a book! I'll tell it to you, you write it, and we'll make lots of money!"

How about you?


*edited to add one more example*
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: *inviteseller on June 24, 2013, 10:15:11 AM
Oh, my friends step daughter's niece's dog groomers vet is having a baby..can you make that scalloped baby blanket by Friday?  You must have the 8 balls of the special yarn in just the right color I want.  What?  You can't make a blanket in 2 days?  What????  It will cost me the yarn plus a fee for your time?  But it is your hobby!!  You love doing these things!  How hard can it be?

Conversation slightly (and only slightly) exaggerated but it happens so often that it almost has made me quit telling people I knit. 

My sister is in public relations..oh, the people who just want to 'pick her brain' (i.e. get her to write brochures, proof their promo materials, give them ideas how to run an event).  Of course the brain pickers don't want to pay her going rate because, ya know, they're friends and that is what friends do. 
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: VorFemme on June 24, 2013, 10:18:58 AM
I sew.  I can also knit, embroider (machine and hand), quilt, counted cross stitch, and simple reupholstering of chairs & benches.  Also some home repair things like replace the screens in window screens or build replacement frames and install the screen in them, replace light switches, and so forth.....I also LIKE to upgrade & refurbish working laptops and computers and troubleshoot non-working ones for myself or close family.

I have had a SIL more or less demand a counted cross stitch Bible cover for her birthday (did the counted cross stitch on flat Aida cloth and then made the cover to fit her Bible).  It's been over twenty-two years and I have yet to get a thank you or a birthday present from her (or them).  Apparently since I was making one for my own mother, it shouldn't be that much trouble to make another one, different design & size for her....

I mentioned having made an outfit for myself at work (odd size) when another coworker who was pretty much the same size and found ready-to-wear didn't fit thought that she could bring the fabric to me and I'd make her one, too.  Ah - I sew for myself & close family who will make dinner while I sew and clean house (depending on how long the project takes) - if I sew for others, I have enough experience that I think I'm worth MORE than minimum wage.  I did offer to teach her for free one weekend....she didn't want to drive 30 miles but did seem to realize that she was asking for a lot more work that she'd first thought.

I've worked on computers for my mother, sister, daughter, husband, son, and an older woman who had bought the computer from me & was having trouble with it (long story - we are in a social group together, as well - so more than mere acquaintance, less than BFF).  Turned out it needed to be moved to another room to reach her DSL outlet and she was afraid that she'd never get all the wires hooked up correctly.  I've replaced hard drives, added extra RAM, added a Bluetooth radio card, and replaced a monitor screen in a laptop.   I've also done a lot of malware removal, reinstalling of the factory image, and learned which of several free shareware programs will get a laptop "working" reasonably well again without doing a complete factory image recovery (no way to back up the personal information or the install disks for some additional programs had been lost). 

But I don't do any of it for a living - I do it for FUN!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: cwm on June 24, 2013, 10:27:45 AM
I made my niece a blanket and several hats when she was born. (December baby, it was COLD out.) I actually made her one hat while my sister was in labor, and the hospital was nice enough to let sis use that hat on her for her first day. I've made fingerless wrist warmers for people, and scarves and such, but I haven't for about a year or so.

I still have people ask me if I can make things for them. Um, no. I can barely crochet or knit a single row in a scarf without paying for it for several days, my wrists are that bad. I mean, if they want to come to my job and do it for me since I won't be able to use a computer, that's fine, but it's amazing how nobody is ever willing to actually do that.

Sis has had people ask her for drawings that they can use online for various things, and while she does love drawing, she doesn't think she's very good at it and it takes her a long time for her to determine that something is good enough to be shared. If she responded to all those requests of artwork, she'd never have any time to actually do anything else. It's slowed since she left that online community and had a child, but there are still people who ask her to draw something for her with ridiculous stipulations.

The only time I feel okay asking for something from someone is if they offer a gift of a craft and then ask what I want. I had a friend offer me a drawing for my birthday because she was in tough financial straits but still wanted to get me something. She's also offered to do any perpetual makeup on any ball jointed dolls I get, and offer her services at making me a ring if I ever wanted it. I've taken her up on the art so far, but I'd never imagine going to her and demanding things just because she likes to do them.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: BarensMom on June 24, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
A friend asked me to "help" her alter a jumper dress.  I sew well enough to make simple repairs, so thinking it was just a bit of taking in the side seams, I agreed.  I ended up having to take the stupid thing apart and basting it back together 4 times before friend proclaimed herself satisfied.  I did the final sewing 3/8" out from the last basting line, returned it to her, only to have her say, "It's too tight."

The dress had originally come from a standing kiosk near the Russian River for $25, so I told her to go buy herself another one in the correct size.

I don't sew for friends anymore.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: LadyClaire on June 24, 2013, 10:34:24 AM
I get a lot of people who think because they're a friend/relative/co-worker that means they should get a discount. My SIL asked me how much one of my reading dragons would be for "a sister-in-law". Answer: same that it costs everyone else. Especially since this SIL is DH's half sister whom I have met exactly once in the 15+ years I've known my husband.

Then there are the "can you make this, for cheaper?" people who bring me a picture from a magazine or website of a piece of jewelry they want, but don't want to pay $$$ for. Instead, they want me to make it and pay me $ for it. First, I do not replicate another person's work. I have a limited amount of time to sit and work on jewelry, since I work full time and have a husband who occasionally wants attention and such. I wouldn't sit and make a knock-off piece that the person isn't wanting to pay me much for when I can sit and make an original design that I can sell for a lot more.

Then you have the "Ooh, can you teach me how to do that??" people, who want to come over and learn how to make metalsmithed jewelry while using my tools and supplies and torch without offering me a dime for it. There's a reason why so many jewelry making classes require you to purchase the supplies as part of the class, and charge a bit more to cover the use of their tools, which are usually not the super high quality ones because, well, people who are still learning tend to screw up and possibly break/damage tools. I replaced my beginner tools over the years and I'm not handing someone my $60 pliers and letting them have at it. Not to mention handing a torch with a big flame to someone who has never handled one before, inside my house where they could possibly set fire to themselves, me, or my home.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Thipu1 on June 24, 2013, 10:54:29 AM
Several decades ago I was interested in Bargello and was pretty good at it. 

Aunt X decided that recovering her dining room chairs would be a good family project.  She chose a fairly simple basket weave pattern to be done in three shades of tan and three shades of green.

Because I was the one who knew what was needed, I would buy the canvas and the yarn and be paid back when the seats were installed.   I would teach Mom and Aunt X how to do the pattern.  Each of us would do two seats. 

You can already guess where this is going.

I was a college student swatting for exams but, since this was a hobby  for me and I was SO GOOD at it, I wound up making all six seats in my spare time whatever that was supposed to be.   

The seats were never installed because Aunt X considered the upholsterer's fee too high.  Of course, I never got paid for the canvas, the yarn or my time because this was for family. 

Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: LazyDaisy on June 24, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
Why is basic sewing such a novelty to some people? I have basic skills like buttons and hems, and I can follow a Simplicity pattern. People act like I can spin gold when they find out. I know so many people who throw away or donate clothing when a button comes off or a hem unravels. One time I was up until midnight hemming a groom's pants the night before his wedding because he forgot to get it tailored (not a tux thank goodness -- just a nice off-the-rack suit that was too long because he's so short and stout). The bad part was that I had just flown in to town for the wedding, so I first had to find a store that sold those little mending kits for a needle and thread (only time I was happy to find a Walmart). Good thing the motel had an iron and a pair of extremely dull scissors. I wasn't even a member of the family or wedding party -- just a guest who was meeting the groom for the first time. What an introduction. "Give me your pants"  >:D
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Shoo on June 24, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
Why is basic sewing such a novelty to some people? I have basic skills like buttons and hems, and I can follow a Simplicity pattern. People act like I can spin gold when they find out. I know so many people who throw away or donate clothing when a button comes off or a hem unravels. One time I was up until midnight hemming a groom's pants the night before his wedding because he forgot to get it tailored (not a tux thank goodness -- just a nice off-the-rack suit that was too long because he's so short and stout). The bad part was that I had just flown in to town for the wedding, so I first had to find a store that sold those little mending kits for a needle and thread (only time I was happy to find a Walmart). Good thing the motel had an iron and a pair of extremely dull scissors. I wasn't even a member of the family or wedding party -- just a guest who was meeting the groom for the first time. What an introduction. "Give me your pants"  >:D

I know!  I sew quite well, and am teaching my daughter to sew as well.  When people learn I have a sewing machine, they look at me like I'm a wizard or something!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: TootsNYC on June 24, 2013, 11:17:23 AM
I too am sort of teaching my daughter, and as I do so, I realize that there are a TON of little fiddly "secrets to success" involved in learning just the machine.

It's not that hard--but it's also something that I took a *class* to learn. And few people have that option. So it seems very overwhelming from the outside.

Even as you are learning it--there's a lot going on!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: siamesecat2965 on June 24, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
I can't sew, aside from putting a button back on, sewing up a seam, or in the case of not fancy pants, a simple hem. I could learn to hem pants if I wanted to, but I don't have either the time or patience. So I either let them sit forever or pay someon to do them for me!

I have friends who sew, very well, but it would never occur to me to ask them to do anything for me, and they'd never take any $$ if I offered. My mom also sews and while I have asked her to help me out on a couple of things, its nothing major.

I do needlepoint, although its been a while since I've really done anything major. One year, while unemployed for a number of month, I bought and started Christmas stocking kits for both of my parents. One was identical to the one my mom made me, for her, and the other slghtly different, for my dad. It took me from Jan-the following Dec to finish them, and I was quite proud of my efforts.  I had a friend see them and she wanted ME to make her one. Um no. first of all, the kits, while not super expensive, were about $50 each. let's not mention the hours i put in on them either. I declined saying now that I was working I dind't have any time.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: rose red on June 24, 2013, 11:41:54 AM
This isn't a craft, but I think fits here.  My family has a friend who is handy around the house.  We ask him to come whenever we need something fixed.  One time, another of his friends ask him in an annoyed tone "Why do you always drop everything when they call?  You always take forever when I need something!"  His answer?  "They pay me."
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: RebeccainGA on June 24, 2013, 11:46:47 AM
I forgot one of my pet peeves that actually put me off my hobby for a number of years. When I was working in call centers, supporting web sites (so 90% of my day was 'let's reset your password! let's clear the temporary files!') i started teaching myself origami. It was easy, fun, silent, and something I could do with my hands while I was doing boring work. I actually have gotten quite good, and love making complex multi-part forms (and have a basket of them on my desk at work, my only decor). 

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ItwEFkCaQs4/Uch1dnHIQYI/AAAAAAAAMWI/rl86VWXYksE/w688-h384-no/IMAG0972.jpg)

So when a friend asked me to make her some flowers for her desk, I has no problem doing so - it was fun. Then another friend asked me, and I did that batch too. Then strangers from around the floor started asking for them. Then strangers from other floors. I finally had some random person from another building come up to me in the cafeteria and demand that I make her a couple dozen for a party she was having. Mind you, I had exactly ONE person offer to pay me - he wanted me to make him a dozen red tissue paper roses for his girlfriend, as she was allergic to real flowers and he didn't want to just get her cheap plastic flowers. That request I jumped on, and really only charged him for the materials (it was such a sweet story, and a sweet person asking). The lady I'd never laid eyes on demanding a dozen metallic gold (think $$$ paper) roses and two dozen silver metallic roses for a party? Not so much.

I put the origami paper up, and started making quilled designs in paper boxes, shredding my notepaper. No one asked for those, since they weren't pretty, just something to keep my hands busy. I just started making flowers and such again in the last month (made a gorgeous big gold star for a coworker who had a great professional day and a lousy personal one coincide). Luckily, I've only given a few of them out, and no one asks for them - but then, I have enough of a polite spine now that even if they did, I would know how to say no, politely.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: cwm on June 24, 2013, 12:11:15 PM
Why is basic sewing such a novelty to some people? I have basic skills like buttons and hems, and I can follow a Simplicity pattern. People act like I can spin gold when they find out. I know so many people who throw away or donate clothing when a button comes off or a hem unravels. One time I was up until midnight hemming a groom's pants the night before his wedding because he forgot to get it tailored (not a tux thank goodness -- just a nice off-the-rack suit that was too long because he's so short and stout). The bad part was that I had just flown in to town for the wedding, so I first had to find a store that sold those little mending kits for a needle and thread (only time I was happy to find a Walmart). Good thing the motel had an iron and a pair of extremely dull scissors. I wasn't even a member of the family or wedding party -- just a guest who was meeting the groom for the first time. What an introduction. "Give me your pants"  >:D

I know!  I sew quite well, and am teaching my daughter to sew as well.  When people learn I have a sewing machine, they look at me like I'm a wizard or something!

I can sew freehand and use a sewing machine (when it's not throwing a tantrum) but patterns will be the death of me. I don't get them, I can't look at anything and put it together how it's supposed to go. Everything is lumpy and weird and not quite right. To date I've managed to make one skirt (poorly, had to fix a lot of the holes by hand because the stinking machine didn't want to let me hold the stitch straight) and some pillows on the machine, but my grandma's mind is boggled when I pull out some measuring tape, measure the wood flute I carry with me to Ren Faires, and sew a drawstring bag perfectly fitted to it without a pattern. It's not hard, really. Two pieces of fabric, seam allowance, make a pocket out of it, and then fold the top over to make room for the string. I've made plenty more pouches to add onto Ren Faire costumes to carry things such as cell phones, wallets, keys, and such out of sight, but it's absolutely simple. Much past that and I'm lost.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Shoo on June 24, 2013, 12:14:13 PM
My specialty is "deconstruction."  I can take something apart, make a pattern out of the pieces, and then make a new garment.  It's handy when you have that favorite whatever that you could never find again, but it's wearing out.  Just take it apart and then make a new one!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: RebeccainGA on June 24, 2013, 12:17:22 PM
My specialty is "deconstruction."  I can take something apart, make a pattern out of the pieces, and then make a new garment.  It's handy when you have that favorite whatever that you could never find again, but it's wearing out.  Just take it apart and then make a new one!

Shoo, were you close by, I'd pay you a bucket of cash for some replacements for a blouse I own that I love, fits like a dream, and is flattering no matter what I do, but was only available in one color and I've had it for years and am about to have it fall apart. Seriously.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: NyaChan on June 24, 2013, 12:19:40 PM
This isn't a craft, but I think fits here.  My family has a friend who is handy around the house.  We ask him to come whenever we need something fixed.  One time, another of his friends ask him in an annoyed tone "Why do you always drop everything when they call?  You always take forever when I need something!"  His answer?  "They pay me."

hahahaha your friend is awesome  :D  Any chance that prompted the mooching friend to see the error of their ways?
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: LadyClaire on June 24, 2013, 12:20:59 PM
I forgot one of my pet peeves that actually put me off my hobby for a number of years. When I was working in call centers, supporting web sites (so 90% of my day was 'let's reset your password! let's clear the temporary files!') i started teaching myself origami. It was easy, fun, silent, and something I could do with my hands while I was doing boring work. I actually have gotten quite good, and love making complex multi-part forms (and have a basket of them on my desk at work, my only decor). 

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ItwEFkCaQs4/Uch1dnHIQYI/AAAAAAAAMWI/rl86VWXYksE/w688-h384-no/IMAG0972.jpg)

So when a friend asked me to make her some flowers for her desk, I has no problem doing so - it was fun. Then another friend asked me, and I did that batch too. Then strangers from around the floor started asking for them. Then strangers from other floors. I finally had some random person from another building come up to me in the cafeteria and demand that I make her a couple dozen for a party she was having. Mind you, I had exactly ONE person offer to pay me - he wanted me to make him a dozen red tissue paper roses for his girlfriend, as she was allergic to real flowers and he didn't want to just get her cheap plastic flowers. That request I jumped on, and really only charged him for the materials (it was such a sweet story, and a sweet person asking). The lady I'd never laid eyes on demanding a dozen metallic gold (think $$$ paper) roses and two dozen silver metallic roses for a party? Not so much.

I put the origami paper up, and started making quilled designs in paper boxes, shredding my notepaper. No one asked for those, since they weren't pretty, just something to keep my hands busy. I just started making flowers and such again in the last month (made a gorgeous big gold star for a coworker who had a great professional day and a lousy personal one coincide). Luckily, I've only given a few of them out, and no one asks for them - but then, I have enough of a polite spine now that even if they did, I would know how to say no, politely.

One of the Deans here at work took up origami because it helped soothe him when he was on long, frustrating phone calls with students. He made a LOT of origami..I still have one of the roses he made. Everyone in the office had an army of little turtles and frogs and other critters he'd made while on the phone.

Luckily he never got demands from people. Probably because he was a Dean and not one of the lower-on-the-ladder staff members.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: LazyDaisy on June 24, 2013, 12:26:08 PM
My specialty is "deconstruction."  I can take something apart, make a pattern out of the pieces, and then make a new garment.  It's handy when you have that favorite whatever that you could never find again, but it's wearing out.  Just take it apart and then make a new one!

I aspire to be you. I have a basket of worn out blouses that I want to do that for...but I'm too chicken to pull them apart because I might destroy the only sample I have and not be able to put it back together.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: mime on June 24, 2013, 12:27:23 PM
There seems to be a lack of recognition of relationships and willingness to do things for free...

On a few different notes:

Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Shoo on June 24, 2013, 12:27:50 PM
My specialty is "deconstruction."  I can take something apart, make a pattern out of the pieces, and then make a new garment.  It's handy when you have that favorite whatever that you could never find again, but it's wearing out.  Just take it apart and then make a new one!
I aspire to be you. I have a basket of worn out blouses that I want to do that for...but I'm too chicken to pull them apart because I might destroy the only sample I have and not be able to put it back together.

Yes, to be honest, that sometimes happens.  I have learned to take pictures as I go, and number pieces and write instructions as I go too.  It does take practice and I've had my share of failures, that's for sure.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: rose red on June 24, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
This isn't a craft, but I think fits here.  My family has a friend who is handy around the house.  We ask him to come whenever we need something fixed.  One time, another of his friends ask him in an annoyed tone "Why do you always drop everything when they call?  You always take forever when I need something!"  His answer?  "They pay me."

hahahaha your friend is awesome  :D  Any chance that prompted the mooching friend to see the error of their ways?

I don't think he pays even after that exchange.  He no longer complains though so he probably learned he's got a good thing going, and continuing to complain about the wait time may put a stop to free repairs >:D.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Dazi on June 24, 2013, 12:46:07 PM
I make hand made jewelry and can knit simple projects (I haven't progressed to clothing yet).

I cannot count the number of request I've received for special projects.  A few have offered to pay me and I typically do take those request, but they know they are on my time table.  Don't ask me to knit you a receiving blanket three days before a baby is due or need awesome bridemaid/wedding jewelry the day before the event.  The jewelry, I might be able to pull off, but it's gonna cost you $$$ for the major rush job, the blanket isn't going to happen with that time frame no matter what.

Funny thing, I have offered to teach these people if they pay for supplies,but no one has ever taken me up on the offer.  Others, I offered doing their projects if they paid the supplies and I would comp labor, but those are far and few between and I get a bit peeved when they baulk at the $40 for yarn or $30 for jewelry supplies...it is a very generous offer on my part and they can take it or leave it.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: blue2000 on June 24, 2013, 12:46:33 PM
My mother has demanded I paint her something. As in, "I want a small painting in my living room colours and I am saving a spot for it right there."

Pros - It would take me about 8 hours or so to paint. Not much.

Cons - It would take two or three weeks to research designs, do rough sketches, and get one that I'm happy with, as well as more than $50 in supplies (not including frame) and a boatload of screaming stress. At a time when I do not have a penny of extra money and too much stress as it is!

I'm hoping she forgets about it. All I can do is nod and smile and say "Gosh, I'm so busy with work right now..." until she does.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Outdoor Girl on June 24, 2013, 12:50:38 PM
Personally, I prefer the barter system when it comes to crafts.  I make sweaters for my Dad.  I could go out and buy him a nice sweater for about the same amount it costs me in relatively inexpensive yarn.  Then it takes me about 60 hours to knit the sweater.  (If I knit an average of 4 hours a day, I can get one done in about 2 weeks.)  So if someone wanted me to make them a sweater, I'd be asking them to do something for me that would be a significant time investment, that I hate doing.  Like clean my house!  And for a sweater, they'd have to do it at least twice; they wouldn't get the sweater until the second cleaning was done.  I'm a hard (hmmmph), I tell you.

Even things like dishclothes - the most you can charge at a church sale is about $3 a piece.  The materials cost close to $2 alone if you don't get the cotton yarn on sale and each one takes about an hour to make.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: hermanne on June 24, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
This isn't a craft, but I think fits here.  My family has a friend who is handy around the house.  We ask him to come whenever we need something fixed.  One time, another of his friends ask him in an annoyed tone "Why do you always drop everything when they call?  You always take forever when I need something!"  His answer?  "They pay me."

And that is the way it should be done!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Lynn2000 on June 24, 2013, 01:02:27 PM
I do a couple of crafts, but so far people haven't been too demanding. A friend asked me to make a couple of specific things for her son's birthday, but gave me a lot of advance notice and wasn't overly detailed, and they were definitely considered to be my gift for him, with nothing else required. Any "commissions" people ask about, I usually shut down right away, because I just don't work that way--I have to go with what I feel like doing, when I feel like doing it. Otherwise it becomes an obligation and not fun at all, and saps my creativity.

I agree that people have a fear of sewing, though. I make stuffed animals (freehand) and sew the occasional button back on my clothes, both instances where I am definitely not going for elegance, just whatever works. My mom is more of a patterns person but my mind gets boggled trying to follow them, I just don't think in 3-D very well.

I do think people who don't do certain crafts/creative things underestimate the time and effort they take, and the materials, too. For example, if someone asked me to make them a beaded bracelet using beads like X, Y, and Z, I would probably have to go out and buy a packet containing a dozen of each of those beads, in order to use three of each in the bracelet. Granted, I would then have those beads to use on other projects, but who's to say when THAT will be? If someone asked me for something at that level of detail, I would probably say, "Well, I could make you something in those colors, but not exactly with those beads, because I'd have to go out and purchase them special, and that would drive the cost up. If you're more flexible about which beads are used, you could have the bracelet for free/low cost." I don't blame them for not thinking about that if they don't do that hobby... as long as the conversation stays polite.

Fortunately I've not had anyone ask me to write something for them specifically, because I'm not good at doing that at all. My problem there is people who think creative writing by non-professionals is weird, and don't appreciate how much effort and joy go into it.  :-\
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: LadyClaire on June 24, 2013, 01:05:17 PM
I forgot about writing..I used to write poetry back in the day. Not so much anymore.

One friend asked if she could use one of my poems in a paper she was writing for her psychology class about depression. She gave me full credit for it. No problem.

Another friend wanted to know if he could use one of my poems AS his school project..as in, turn it in with his name on it, claiming to have written it. That one I declined. He was very put out by it. 
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Post by: cwm on June 24, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Oh, writing. The horrors of writing.

I enjoy writing. I do it for fun. When I was in college, I translated classical poetry into Elvish. For fun. I practiced calligraphy (Elvish and English) for fun. I had people asking me if I could do a calligraphic nameplate for their books, or a greeting card. I was running off of calligraphic markers at the time, but they wanted it done in pen and ink. I told them sure, I'd be willing to do it, if they'd buy the pen and ink. And when they learned how much a left-handed calligraphy pen cost, it's funny how they'd say it wasn't so important anyway.

I still don't get that. I wasn't good at it. Decent enough to amuse myself, sure, but once I finally DID get a pen, I managed to smear everything. I now have to write everything lightly in pencil first, and go from right to left doing all the strokes in the exact OPPOSITE order I should because otherwise it'll all be horribly smeared. And I lost all my nibs and ink in one of my moves. My sister liked to joke while I still did it about how I could literally write however I darn well pleased. (I can write normally, upside-down, and mirrored as well. Annoys her to no end when I write mirror in her birthday cards and she has to take her card to the bathroom to get enough light to read the writing in the mirror.)
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Post by: RegionMom on June 24, 2013, 01:44:40 PM
I am a piano teacher, and have accompanied for chapel at school for years, ( I love the old hymns!) have volunteered with children's choirs, and a women's ensemble group. 

But I am not an accompanist.

I do not enjoy the pressure of sight reading, do not have an open schedule to attend rehearsals, am limited on time and travel to go to competitions, and would rather just not do it.

I was very pleasantly surprised this past semester when the after school violin teacher asked me if we could combine recitals and she would have her students pay me to accompany them.  She gave me the music three weeks in advance.  And they all paid, up front!  She had taught them that part of being a violinist was arranging for accompaniment, and told the parents what costs that would be in addition to lessons.  We did one rehearsal in my home studio and they were all prepared, memorized, very good kids.  I met with them early before the recital to review and it was just lovely!

so, I might work with/for this one teacher and her students again, but not others!

In the past, I have been given two days to prep the difficult music for a competition, was once asked the day of to play "mood music" at an event, and have had difficulty getting payment. 

I choose what events/groups I volunteer to play, and I have my own piano students.

Being your on-call live CD player is not a preference of mine, thank-you very much!

:)
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Post by: TeamBhakta on June 24, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
Reminds me of something that happened on a parenting board. One woman nicely offered to make custom sparkly siggies for a few board. It quickly snowballed into a crowd of gimme pigs complaining "Mine isn't sparkly enough" and "I don't like this shade of purple. Can you switch it to a lighter purple, make the letters do something special, etc."  ::)
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Post by: ladyknight1 on June 24, 2013, 02:10:23 PM
My best one ever consists of a colleague who I barely see cornering me at a holiday party then demanding I make two bracelets for her to give at a party she was attending two weeks from then. Not only did she not ask, she was extremely particular about the bracelets!

No, I do make pieces on request, but only during the 7 weeks I am off from school a year!
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Post by: stitchygreyanonymouse on June 24, 2013, 02:13:52 PM
Well, there was the time I ended up making half a dozen bridesmaids dresses (with the exception of the hems), when I was merely supposed to be helping my step-mom do them (I was 16). I've grown a spine since then.

The only person who asks me to do stuff for them now is my SO’s mother (I know, surprising, right? /sarcasm). There's always some alteration or mending she thinks I should do for her, or show her how to do on her own machine (which would take longer than to just do it, since she's mostly blind, and I have 20 more years of sewing experience). I did make a vest for an acquaintance a couple of years ago, patterned after one he already had, in exchange for some home-made cookies, but I enjoyed the challenge of something new and requested that he not pay me with money (he bought the materials).

Every once in a while, people will mention that they loved one of my baby quilts and would love for me to make one that they can gift to someone they know, but they’ve always taken "I prefer to just sew for fun when the mood strikes" at face value and never followed up.

My SO took a while to learn—he'll still ask me to make a "blanket" for a friend, but gives me a whole lot of lead time (and buys at least part of the supplies if they aren't in my stash already or all if it’s not a joint gift). The lead time only came after he asked me to make a quilt for his grandmother a week before Christmas. I finished it in time, but he didn't get to see me very much that week. :)
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Post by: RegionMom on June 24, 2013, 02:15:04 PM
Slightly OT, but I observed from a master of how to deal with obnoxious and demanding parents while helping with a kid choir church musical-

"what do you mean you have attendance requirements to be in the musical?"

"Why does my precious have to audition for the solo?"

"Why do I have to sign up for backstage help/snacks/buy supplies/record keeping/chaperoning, etc...?"

"child cannot attend tech or dress rehearsal, but of course we will be here for performance!"

"I am going to drop off my child early and pick up late, because this is really just child care, right?"

And of course, "You work here!  I tell you what to do since I am a church member!"

What Miss Krystyn responded each time was, "I am a volunteer myself, even though i am the director.  As volunteers, we have to be extra diligent and responsible in how we volunteer our time with the children.  We can always use other volunteers.  Would you like to address your concerns with the (paid) music minister (who is not hands-on involved with children's choir) or what would you like to do to sign up as a fellow volunteer?"

And they usually slunked away, although several did diffuse and actually step up and help!
:)

Playing the volunteer card is great!

Krystyn politely explained that she was doing everything for free, on her own time, with two small children of her own to drag around.  And she worked hours and hours enough that many did assume she was working for pay at church, because she was there so much!

The worst she ever had was a mom of beautiful young sisters who did not meet rehearsal requirements, did not sign up to be in the play, did not have costumes, did not come for the last final and most difficult rehearsals, including staging, and yet one hour before curtain (late) the mom walked up with her girls' hair all fixed and in beautiful show dresses (the play had all the kids in school clothes) and declared, "sorry we missed so many rehearsals, but here are my girls, ready to sing!"

Krystyn explained that in no way could the girls be on stage because we had several set stage markings, several changes of props and scenery, one dangerous piece of equipment with a motor, and the girls had absolutely no idea what to do because the had missed so much.

Mom's reply, "what?  All they are going to do is stand and sing!  That is all a musical is!"

Krystyn would not budge, and the girls were upset, but they did stay for the show. 

And although I never heard any follow-up, hopefully the mom realized how wrong she was when she saw the musical complete with dancing, fancy lighting, cool props, moving scenery, and one song with a motorized vehicle on stage!!

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Post by: ladyknight1 on June 24, 2013, 02:32:51 PM
Why is basic sewing such a novelty to some people? I have basic skills like buttons and hems, and I can follow a Simplicity pattern. People act like I can spin gold when they find out. I know so many people who throw away or donate clothing when a button comes off or a hem unravels. One time I was up until midnight hemming a groom's pants the night before his wedding because he forgot to get it tailored (not a tux thank goodness -- just a nice off-the-rack suit that was too long because he's so short and stout). The bad part was that I had just flown in to town for the wedding, so I first had to find a store that sold those little mending kits for a needle and thread (only time I was happy to find a Walmart). Good thing the motel had an iron and a pair of extremely dull scissors. I wasn't even a member of the family or wedding party -- just a guest who was meeting the groom for the first time. What an introduction. "Give me your pants"  >:D

I know!  I sew quite well, and am teaching my daughter to sew as well.  When people learn I have a sewing machine, they look at me like I'm a wizard or something!

You should see the looks of shock and horror when I tell people that DH does all the sewing and the machine belongs to him! I can embellish his creations, but he does the sewing!
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Post by: Isilleke on June 24, 2013, 02:47:14 PM
I feel sooo ashamed now.

I was once looking to make a book out of a big task for school. Found some prices on the internet and asked my friend if those were reasonable prices, since her hobby is bookbinding. She told me it was and I asked what her price would be and she just started telling me all these reasons it wouldn't be possible and now I feel like she thought I was going to mooch of her or something.

I do admit that was the only time I've asked a friend something like that. Partially because I have no clue what's reasonable and what isn't and partially because I'd be afraid to ruin or at the very least ruin a friendship.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on June 24, 2013, 02:51:48 PM
Now I need to learn Elvish calligraphy!
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on June 24, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
I feel sooo ashamed now.

I was once looking to make a book out of a big task for school. Found some prices on the internet and asked my friend if those were reasonable prices, since her hobby is bookbinding. She told me it was and I asked what her price would be and she just started telling me all these reasons it wouldn't be possible and now I feel like she thought I was going to mooch of her or something.

I do admit that was the only time I've asked a friend something like that. Partially because I have no clue what's reasonable and what isn't and partially because I'd be afraid to ruin or at the very least ruin a friendship.

I don't think you did anything wrong. You asked someone with knowledge on the subject if it was a reasonable price, and then waht SHE would charge. It sounds like once she said she wouldn't be able to do it, you let it go.
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Post by: cwm on June 24, 2013, 02:59:55 PM
I feel sooo ashamed now.

I was once looking to make a book out of a big task for school. Found some prices on the internet and asked my friend if those were reasonable prices, since her hobby is bookbinding. She told me it was and I asked what her price would be and she just started telling me all these reasons it wouldn't be possible and now I feel like she thought I was going to mooch of her or something.

I do admit that was the only time I've asked a friend something like that. Partially because I have no clue what's reasonable and what isn't and partially because I'd be afraid to ruin or at the very least ruin a friendship.

Don't feel ashamed for asking a friend what their price would be. That's perfectly reasonable. You weren't demanding they do it for free. There could have been plenty of other reasons she declined to do it for you. It sounds like you were more than reasonable.

It's never unreasonable to ask if it can be done. If you want something done, by all means ask, but make sure when you ask that it's clear you're willing to pay for time and supplies. If they decline, let it go nicely. There's no reason to be worried about ruining a friendship by asking for something nicely once.
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Post by: VorFemme on June 24, 2013, 03:02:20 PM
Anyone in the Houston area who wants polite sewing lessons - contact me through the messages page here.

Snarky and Evil have volunteered for not-so-polite sewing lessons.

BYOM if you want help figuring it out or we can use mine.

Please, I need the motivation to organize the danged sewing room!
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Post by: VorFemme on June 24, 2013, 03:07:56 PM
I aspire to be you. I have a basket of worn out blouses that I want to do that for...but I'm too chicken to pull them apart because I might destroy the only sample I have and not be able to put it back together.

Suggestion - take photos of every step as you take it apart - the reverse the order of the photos to figure out how to put it back together.  The instruction sheet from a similar pattern might also be helpful.

It's what I do when recreating a worn item...
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Post by: Bethalize on June 24, 2013, 03:17:29 PM
I do sugarcraft. I wish people would ask me to make them cakes. I don't bake as much as I'd like because someone has to eat it.
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Post by: Slartibartfast on June 24, 2013, 03:32:17 PM
I was just talking about this with a friend this weekend - he and I both write books, but he also does design work (both for his day job and for side gigs).  He's done quite a few book covers - as in, arrange for the model, acquire costuming, take the pictures with a greenscreen, get the background shots, digitally stitch it all together, correct lighting/layout issues, do layout with font choice and sizing for the title and text on the cover, etc.  It's a lot of work, but he gets AMAZING photos (and has a really good camera and studio setup!) so he gets more requests than he could possibly accept even if he did it full-time.

Apparently an astounding number of authors want book covers done for their self-published or "trying to sell it elsewhere but if I can't sell it I'll publish it myself" books.  Except they want to determine exactly what the cover art would be (something most publishing houses do for you - authors rarely have any say).  And they don't want to pay for it, of course - it's good for your portfolio!  If they do begrudgingly accept that payment might be required, they concede that they'll pay after they start making money.  Which (for self-published books) takes at least six months, or (for books through a publishing house) may be a year or more.  And the vast majority of self-published books sell less than a hundred copies, which makes paying a reasonable rate for cover design ($100-$1000, depending on the cover) kind of a losing proposition.

Then these authors feel it's a personal slight when my friend suggests perhaps if they want a cheap cover they can do it themselves.  Some of them go on to steal images from other artists ("But if it's on the Internet it's free for the taking, right?") and some just use the same stock photos a million other books are using already - but at least they're not bothering my friend about it anymore!

If I do get any say in my cover design, I would absolutely push for my friend to be the cover artist - but the chance of that happening is slightly less than my chance of becoming the next JK Rowling, so I'm not going to worry about it  :)
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Post by: z_squared82 on June 24, 2013, 03:36:28 PM
Not so much crafty for me, but…

I used to be a photographer. I was asked to do a couple of weddings for free/on the cheap. I flat out told them no, I had considered that career path, shadowed a wedding photographer, found out I hated it, and won’t do it again. So if someone wanted to pay me to do something I hate, I’d price myself right out of their price range. The only time I didn’t get out of it is when my mother “voluntold” me (volunteered me without asking me first) that I was going to take pictures at a charity event. I went along with it (b/c she told me the day before I didn’t want to leave the group in a bind like that), but told her never again.

Actually, my mother is the worst with this sort of thing period. She has volunteered my copy editing, writing and page design services without checking with me first, too. Generally for that same charity (which benefits Our City’s Children’s Hospital). I don’t mind too much when it’s something quick, like designing an invitation, but she has learned not to do that anymore. (Seriously, I saw the previous year’s invitation and cringed at the grammar and font. Comic sans, gah.)

I do believe my mother has been asked to make quilts for free. She might have done simple ones for free in the past, but not now. She proceeds to quote them the average price per yard of good fabric, the average number of yards in a quilt, the amount of thread and batting, the average number of hours, and the cost of having someone else do the actual quilting with a long-arm machine (for any quilt bigger than a twin-size). That shuts people down.

Oh, and my SIL would be a professional cake designer if it would pay the bills. Instead she decorates for family and friends. I don’t know if she was ever expected to do it for free, but I know the family pays her at least something now. Probably just supplies, I don’t know how much powdered sugar and marshmallows go into her marshmallow fondant (evidently easy to make at home, and cheaper). She totally made a “Tangled” cake for a little cousin, and did a fair job recreating my aunt and uncle’s wedding cake for their 30th anniversary.
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Post by: Chip2 on June 24, 2013, 03:44:28 PM
Had this discussion a few years back:

Guest:  that is a beautiful [Shaker-style sofa] table? Where did you get it?
MsChip:  Chip2 made it.
Guest:  he made it?
MsChip:  He selected the wood, went to the shop, hand-oiled it, everything.
Guest:  do you think he could make me one?
MsChip:  let's find out....

I ran the numbers in my my head and....

Me:  $500 probably.
Guest:  what?! No! It can't be that expensive!
Me:  the wood alone would probably run at least $300-350. And I'll need a couple of router bits, and a couple of drawer knobs to match the species, and some hardware to make some jigs....
Guest:  that's outrageous!
Me:  that's a conservative estimate.
Guest:  but you've got wood just laying around.
Me:  not that species. I used the last big piece to make this basket.
Guest:  ooh! That's pretty! Can I have it?

I'll end the story by noting that I have little patience for people who just don't get it.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on June 24, 2013, 03:54:47 PM
My husband home-cures and smokes bacon. He has a custom spice blend he uses for the cure. We share, but this is a week long process and many hours of work!
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Post by: faithlessone on June 24, 2013, 03:57:01 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I'm not crafty. I can write, and I do write a lot of middling fiction and some truly awful poetry, but when it comes to arty things, I am lost. I can't draw, knit, sew, paint...

I had a housemate at uni who was completely the opposite. He was a fantastic artist - he did these amazing anime/manga style drawings. He also had a few tattoos that he had drawn himself, including a really beautiful portrait of his younger sister.

He used to get hounded by people demanding that he draw things for them - tattoo designs, birthday cards, portraits etc. One girl actually gave him a massive piece of poster paper (probably about A1 sized) and told him to fill it with images from her favourite anime series! No one ever offered to pay him for his time or for the use of his markers/pencils, which were incredibly expensive.

I think some people just don't get how much time/effort/materials beautiful things take.
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Post by: snowflake on June 24, 2013, 04:11:45 PM
Yes! Yes! Yes!  I have experienced all of these!

Can you knit a baby layette for me by next week?  Most of the time they offer to pay but are horrified when I point out that even using cheap K-mart yarn it's going to cost more than if they bought something.  This is because I wear self-knit sweaters and people assume I do that to save money.  I actually do it because they last and look impressive at work.  Most of my sweaters (with good yarn bought on sale) cost in the $100-$200 range.  Why?  Because when it takes me 50-100 hours to knit something, I'm not exactly keen on wearing it out in a year.  I have a few sweaters made of good yarn and I can expect to wear them 20-30 times per year for ten years.  Even if I paid myself $10 per hour, I can wear a sweater that is worth around four figures.  Yes, I do make much, much, much more than that professionally.  No, I can't compete with some poor person in Bangladesh who gets supplies in bulk and barely makes enough to feed themselves.

The other thing is beginner sewers who borrow my sewing machine "for a few days."  Sure, I don't have time to sew any more (other than mend and take in clothes to fit my odd-shaped boy).  But I don't want it to disappear for three months. 

I've even done the "writing" thing.  I used to love writing groups and then got tired of people who said, "I have an idea for a story."  Because most of the time it was a girl-meets-boy "except, I want the heroine to be smart and sassy instead of passive."  Wait, you want me to write Pride and Prejudice for you?  You do know it's out of copyright? 

That's not to say I'd never do a favor for someone.  I had a friend whose daughter was expecting a child with a fatal heart disease.  I made a free white blanket for him and was very humbled that she thought my work was good enough to wrap him in.  (He was buried in it.)  You can bet I dropped everything to make it.  She gave me a nice gift certificate to a restaurant and offered to baby sit for my kids.  The truth was that with the gift and the baby-sitting, she still ended up paying me $5 an hour.  But I felt like it we were trading nice gestures as friends and it wasn't me being paid.

Bethalize, I don't mind using my mad cheesecake baking skills.  (If I have the time.)  I love to eat my cheesecake and I'd like to have someone ELSE eat the rest.   ;D

(Sheesh, this thread makes me sound totally vain like I can do anything!  I just have a few skills that I have been working on for 30 years of my life.  I still can't make soup to save my life.  It always ends up funny.) 
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Post by: Lynn2000 on June 24, 2013, 04:16:49 PM
I do think it's tricky, though, because it can feel really good when someone says, "I love what you do and would like you to do it for me," you know? I don't want to discourage that. Just the people who rudely demand very specific things on a short timescale, for free. (Or really any variation on that--offering to pay does not make it okay to rudely demand.)

I'm very conscious of not pushing my crafts onto other people. I mention them, I display them, and people who are interested usually say something probing like, "Do you ever sell these?" and I'll say, "No, but I do give them away to people. Would you like one [already made]?" But trying to be low-key in my tone and body language, so they don't feel like they have to say "yes," if they were just trying to make conversation.
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Post by: TeamBhakta on June 24, 2013, 04:24:05 PM

(Sheesh, this thread makes me sound totally vain like I can do anything!  I just have a few skills that I have been working on for 30 years of my life.  I still can't make soup to save my life.  It always ends up funny.)

ot: Try this recipe. This is the only soup I've made that comes out right. The changes I made: Upped the broth to 2 1/2 cups, added more than the 2 Tbsp of tomato, and added garlic + balsamic vinegar while cooking the chicken.
http://www.publix.com/aprons/meals/PrintableMeal.do?mealId=669
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Post by: nayberry on June 24, 2013, 04:26:20 PM
My husband home-cures and smokes bacon. He has a custom spice blend he uses for the cure. We share, but this is a week long process and many hours of work!

if you wouldn't mind, that sounds wonderful!!


Snowflake - soup i can do, roast dinners are great, gateaux are simple but birds custard or soft boiled eggs not a chance!!
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Post by: Thipu1 on June 24, 2013, 05:06:31 PM
Back in the bad old 1970s, I took several courses and was quite skilled at doing paste-ups. 

At that time, paste-ups were literally paste-ups.  This involved coating boards with wax, coating the backs of images with one-coat rubber cement and cutting them out with X-acto knives.  You also needed a haber-rule to spec type and headlines had to be done with transfer lettering.  It was a laborious process but it was also satisfying when things turned out well. 

I started doing it for a club to which I belonged.  The front page of the monthly newsletter always had a splashy graphic notice about  the next meeting's program.  That part of the newsletter was my job and I was imaginative about it. 

I was flattered when someone in the club asked me to design a 16 page brochure for her business.  She was also willing to pay.  WHOOPEE!!! ;D

Not quite.

Two days before the job was due, she wanted to add a photograph to page three.  At the time, that meant that pages four through sixteen had to be literally taken apart and recut to make things fit
properly. 

I did it but it took me all night to do so.  I did get paid but I never took on a job like that again. 
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Post by: snowdragon on June 24, 2013, 05:18:58 PM
My specialty is "deconstruction."  I can take something apart, make a pattern out of the pieces, and then make a new garment.  It's handy when you have that favorite whatever that you could never find again, but it's wearing out.  Just take it apart and then make a new one!

  I would for pay someone a pretty penny for someone to do that for me !
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Post by: nutraxfornerves on June 24, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
In one of my incarnations, I inspected plant nurseries (I discovered that I had to specify "plant;" otherwise, people assumed child care). I had to become familiar not only with plants, but also with insects, fungi, and horticulture in general. 

I developed a great deal of sympathy for doctors who get buttonholed about bad backs and heartburn. It seemed liked every time I visited someone's home, they trotted out the half dead houseplants. Everyone else is enjoying drinks and appetizers in the living room, and I'm out in the back with the host looking at the roses. I hated to refuse, because it might reflect badly on my employer, a government agency. "I don't care if she's not officially working, I'm a taxpayer, grumble, grumble..."  Yes, people did say such things.
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Post by: mime on June 24, 2013, 05:36:08 PM
Had this discussion a few years back:

Guest:  that is a beautiful [Shaker-style sofa] table? Where did you get it?
MsChip:  Chip2 made it.
Guest:  he made it?
MsChip:  He selected the wood, went to the shop, hand-oiled it, everything.
Guest:  do you think he could make me one?
MsChip:  let's find out....

I ran the numbers in my my head and....

Me:  $500 probably.
Guest:  what?! No! It can't be that expensive!
Me:  the wood alone would probably run at least $300-350. And I'll need a couple of router bits, and a couple of drawer knobs to match the species, and some hardware to make some jigs....
Guest:  that's outrageous!
Me:  that's a conservative estimate.
Guest:  but you've got wood just laying around.
Me:  not that species. I used the last big piece to make this basket.
Guest:  ooh! That's pretty! Can I have it?

I'll end the story by noting that I have little patience for people who just don't get it.

Oh my! this made me laugh out loud. My hobbies produce things in a much lower price range than that. For someone to expect something from you that is so expensive is just... wow.

And $500 for a handmade sofa table sounds like a bargain!

Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: snowdragon on June 24, 2013, 05:42:14 PM
I made this a while ago http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55)

  took it to Michael's to get it framed...and heard from a child in back of me 'Mommy, Can I have that for my room?"  and the mother agreed. She sauntered over looked at me and said " Allison wants that."

Me: " I want it too, and because I stitched it, I am keeping it."

Mom: "Allison wants it, and she gets what she wants."

Me: I used XXX pattern, DMC threads, and it took me 6months to do. good luck doing it for her!"

Mom: " I will just have yours, my older daughter works here and she'll bring it home."
 
  I did not end up leaving it and it still sits,rolled up in a tube because I won't risk it again. Someday I will have to take a course in framing and matting. :(
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 24, 2013, 05:43:50 PM
I stitch Teresa Wenzler's work as well!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: nuit93 on June 24, 2013, 05:59:16 PM
I made this a while ago http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55)

  took it to Michael's to get it framed...and heard from a child in back of me 'Mommy, Can I have that for my room?"  and the mother agreed. She sauntered over looked at me and said " Allison wants that."

Me: " I want it too, and because I stitched it, I am keeping it."

Mom: "Allison wants it, and she gets what she wants."

Me: I used XXX pattern, DMC threads, and it took me 6months to do. good luck doing it for her!"

Mom: " I will just have yours, my older daughter works here and she'll bring it home."
 
  I did not end up leaving it and it still sits,rolled up in a tube because I won't risk it again. Someday I will have to take a course in framing and matting. :(

As someone who has also done a TW piece, I would be LIVID if someone had the gall to say that to me. 

It's also making me nervous, since I get my stuff framed at Michael's and I'm wondering if they have a procedure for making sure personal pieces don't just "disappear".
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: dawnfire on June 24, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
My specialty is "deconstruction."  I can take something apart, make a pattern out of the pieces, and then make a new garment.  It's handy when you have that favorite whatever that you could never find again, but it's wearing out.  Just take it apart and then make a new one!

my sis has a similar skill, she can deconstruct without pulling apart of the item. I can sew, do a basic pattern but she takes it to another level.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: dawnfire on June 24, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
My husband home-cures and smokes bacon. He has a custom spice blend he uses for the cure. We share, but this is a week long process and many hours of work!

if you wouldn't mind, that sounds wonderful!!


It sounds delish. hubby raves about home smokes bacon/ ham. hubby and his mates would go out hunting wild pigs and take it back to one of his mates places for curing and smoking. everyone who helped got some of finished product.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 24, 2013, 07:29:28 PM
For the bacon, DH just bought a book Charcuterie from Amazon. He buys pieces of pork belly (we can only get them at Whole Foods), rubs them with a spice blend, then lets them cure in the refrigerator for 3 days. He then smokes the belly over charcoal and pecan. Sliced and seared, it is divine.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Dazi on June 24, 2013, 07:34:18 PM
Another wedding...

A woman I know asked me to do jewelry sets in pearl and crystal for the bride, bridemaids, and flower girl.  That's six sets of necklaces, bracelets and earrings (well 5 sets if earrings, the flower girl didn't have pierced ears). 

It was a few weeks out so I went to price it out and quoted what I thought of as a VERY generous quote of $300.  For people I have never done work before, I generally request 50% down with the remainder due on delivery...just so I don't get burned on payment.  You would have thought, I'd forced fed her a case of lemons.  She just couldn't imagine $300 was reasonable, even though I pointed out you could pay that for one pearl necklace.  I showed her on etsy that similar necklace and earring sets (no bracelet), sold for $50ish each and those were made with glass pearls.

She hemmed and hawed and went several weeks past the deadline I gave that I had to know by in order to obtain the supplies.  Then had the nerve to be pissed when I told her there was no way for me to do that order in 24 hours.


ETA:  Well I could have, but it would have required an all nighter and another $300 to pay the two extra people needed to pull it off.  I didn't even offer this though...there was no way to guarauntee that I could get what I needed at the 11th hour nor the extra hands would be free and willing.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Whimsyone on June 24, 2013, 07:37:25 PM
I come from a long line of talented artists..so it's in my blood! Complicated jewelry design is just one of my loves!

So, back in the day, I worked at a college. I made beaded lanyards for the office keys of my coworkers. All of a sudden, people started flowing through the door asking me to restring their necklaces. For free. But it wasn't just restringing. They would have lost two or more beads, requiring a complete redesign. Many hours and intense concentration would follow.

More and more people told their friends. I felt that there was an endless line of folks with broken necklaces outside my door.

Finally I shined up my spine and told them "Hey! I'd love to do this for you! And I'm only going to charge you $25., much, much less than the jewelry stores." (True- in my area it was $100.) It didn't take long for the requests to stop!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jocelyn on June 24, 2013, 07:46:12 PM
I quilt and knit. Most people don't think about the cost of materials- they assume that both crafts are a way of saving money.  Then they don't get why I just don't buy the cheapest materials available- why buy $12 a yard fabric, when you can get it for $3 at the discount store?
What really annoys me are the people who KNOW ALL ABOUT the craft, despite having never practiced it. At our last quilt show, one of them came in and announced he was there to buy a quilt, and was willing to pay as much as $100. The other ladies restrained me from giving him directions to Wal-Mart. When one lady tried to explain that quilt fabric generally runs $10 a yard and up, and you would need upwards of 5 yards for the top, 5 yards or so for the backing, and 3 yards of batting at $12 a yard, he just chuckled at her with a 'humor the little crazy lady' sort of demeanor.
All of these situations are tailor-made for the Ehell phrase 'why would I want to do that?'
I occasionally explain to people that I don't have enough time to complete all the projects I WANT to complete, so I'm completely disinterested in doing any project that doesn't interest me. Which is 95% of the 'make this for me' requests.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Yarnspinner on June 24, 2013, 08:22:17 PM
"What do you mean, you charge $150 an hour for story telling?  I see you tell stories in the library for free all the time."

No.  You see me telling stories as part of my JOB AT THE LIBRARY.  Because it is occasionally part of my job description, it is also part of my salary.  YOU want me to spend ten hours of my free time rehearsing ghost stories and then giving up three hours of my Saturday afternoon to come to your house and tell stories for an hour. 

Now, story telling is among my passions, but I am not so passionate that I am going to spend precious free moments rehearsing stories I haven't told for a year out of the goodness of my heart.

The same woman said to me "Asking money for telling stories!  I can do that myself."

Good luck lady.  I have very bad, very off days where I cannot remember the stories I have been rehearsing for a week or three.  And I KNOW what I'm doing.  You?  Not so much.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: CrazyDaffodilLady on June 24, 2013, 08:32:39 PM
I’ve posted numerous times about craft moochers.  You’d think I’d be out of stories by now.

I make dream catchers, which young kids adore.  Generally I’ll make one for any kid who asks.  Frequently, however, the gift is followed by a parent demanding that I teach their child how to make a dream catcher.  I’ve learned the hard way that very few children under 12 have the motor skills, attention span, or temperament to make one. 

The project has to be done at my house since I have the materials and tools.  Almost always, the parent brings the child and then announces that they need to run an errand and will “be right back”.  So I’m stuck, possibly for hours, with a child who quickly turns cranky when they realize the project is not the fun time they expected.  They don’t listen and insist on doing it their own way, which means I spend a great deal of time untangling horrible knots. 

One mother cancelled a session at the last minute because her daughter was not feeling well.  She cancelled the rescheduled session because her daughter was tired.  There was no third session, and our budding friendship took a nosedive.

Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Elfmama on June 24, 2013, 09:35:57 PM
Why is basic sewing such a novelty to some people? I have basic skills like buttons and hems, and I can follow a Simplicity pattern. People act like I can spin gold when they find out.
It's part of our culture of learned helplessness.  "You have to be a professional to do X."  So Jane Q. Public, who of course is not a professional seamstress herself, stands in awe of our ability to sew on buttons.  And if, by that logic, we are "professionals" then of course we could make her niece's wedding gown out of that lovely hand-beaded silk that's $300 per yard.  But since we aren't the kind of professionals who actually make a living at sewing, we should be happy to do it for free. 

Substitute any of the other crafts here for 'sewing', of course, if it applies.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: TootsNYC on June 24, 2013, 09:40:43 PM


Every once in a while, people will mention that they loved one of my baby quilts and would love for me to make one that they can gift to someone they know, but they’ve always taken "I prefer to just sew for fun when the mood strikes" at face value and never followed up.

My SO took a while to learn—he'll still ask me to make a "blanket" for a friend, but gives me a whole lot of lead time (and buys at least part of the supplies if they aren't in my stash already or all if it’s not a joint gift). The lead time only came after he asked me to make a quilt for his grandmother a week before Christmas. I finished it in time, but he didn't get to see me very much that week. :)

That first bolded section would just frost me.

That's just covetous. It's bad enough for them to ask for something from me, someone who actually knows them and cares about them.

But for them to "spend" my time and energy on behalf of someone who is not MY friend is just beyond the pale. Yeah, yeah, supposedly I'm doing for *them*, since they're the one who asked. But really they're just using me as a commodity for them to pay off their social debt.

I once made a cookbook for a friend's bridal shower, taking recipes from a defunct magazine I'd worked for and putting them into an index card booklet w/ a binder ring through one corner.

I added chapters on stuff like "the herbs and spices you need, and what to use them for" (those I wrote), and added notes to the recipes to tell more about how to make them, etc.

My MIL admired it and immediately said, "Maybe you could make one for Cousin You Barely Know, because her shower is coming up."  I said, "Do you know how much work that was? Donna is a really good friend of mine--that's why I made it for her."
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: CuriousParty on June 24, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
Sadly, this does not just happen with crafts or hobbies. My father volunteered me to edit my sister's master's thesis "because you've done a master's thesis." Yes, but 1) in a totally different subject area and 2) I was, at the time, doing my dissertation. Then he volunteered me to run her stats (which I found out when she sent me the raw data with a note that dad had told her I'd do it...) All at the last minute, of course.

I did the editing, with help from then-BF-now-DH who is in a parallel field since I didn't know some of the vocab or phrasing, but both of them got reemed out over the stats issue and Dad was threatened with an invoice.

This still happens with my professional work, although I can deflect much of it with my pet phrase - "The family rate is double."
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Miss Tickle on June 24, 2013, 10:37:31 PM
"What do you mean, you charge $150 an hour for story telling?  I see you tell stories in the library for free all the time."

No.  You see me telling stories as part of my JOB AT THE LIBRARY.  Because it is occasionally part of my job description, it is also part of my salary.  YOU want me to spend ten hours of my free time rehearsing ghost stories and then giving up three hours of my Saturday afternoon to come to your house and tell stories for an hour. 

Now, story telling is among my passions, but I am not so passionate that I am going to spend precious free moments rehearsing stories I haven't told for a year out of the goodness of my heart.

The same woman said to me "Asking money for telling stories!  I can do that myself."

Good luck lady.  I have very bad, very off days where I cannot remember the stories I have been rehearsing for a week or three.  And I KNOW what I'm doing.  You?  Not so much.

Wow. That is so cool. I had no idea you could hire someone to do that. Do you wear costumes? That would be the best Halloween party ever!

...
I started "making" clothes when I was 9. I wanted a great big skirt, so I made one out of garbage bags. then I started cutting up stuff from the thrift store and making other stuff. Mostly messes. I took my first sewing class when I was 10 and my Mother started hiring me out shortly thereafter (had to make back the price of the class plus all the clothes I ruined), so for about a year I sewed for a living, so to speak.

I got plenty of work, but there was always a dollar figure attached.  I love crafting and have many interests, but requests for freebies are always denied unless it's something I'm completely willing to do. It might sound mercenary, but I learned from a young age that skills like knitting and sewing were valuable and even children deserved to be paid for them. It helped that my Great-great-grandmother wrote her life story, and one of the things she talked about was knitting mittens when she was 8 to help support her family.

Nobody in my current circle of friends knows I sew. I tell them the costumes I "find" were from the thrift store, cast-offs from the theater, or deals I got on-line. Not that I think they'd hit me up, but...

But it's the cooking that bugs me. I cook all the time, I don't want to be invited to someone else's house and cook too. I'm not a chef. I'm not going to teach your kids to cook, that's your job. If you're having a potluck I'm going to bring what I want to make, not what you order. I don't cater. If you want pickled whatever you're going to have to wait until pickle season. I'm not making ketchup in the heat of the summer, I don't care how much you're craving it.

I can't bake. I'm cursed. I can't make chocolate chips cookies from the package. I can make fondant, but not the cake. Clafoutis, but not the crust. People taste my baking and despair. Baking's not just work, it's magic.
...

Still want to get invited to any party where Yarnspinner is telling stories. Badly.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: atirial on June 25, 2013, 02:29:27 AM
Computer art and video editing. I am an amateur and I can do the basics. e.g. recovering someone's photos when they were taken in low light for example.

I think the most disturbing one was the one where I did a lot of DVD work for free for a friend's family DVD - it took a couple of weekends - and then found the person I'd done the favour for had charged several hundred pounds to sell the DVD on. He can't understand why I am now permanently unavailable for future work.  It still annoys me thinking about it.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: *inviteseller on June 25, 2013, 02:48:09 AM
Oh, the people who think you would just love to come cater their party because you know how to turn on an oven and read a recipe!  I am by no means an Iron Chef, but I have a few specialties.  The most asked for is my potato salad (my sister swears I must put crack in it because it is addictive!) .  The first time I make it for the year is Easter and then I make it a few times over the summer.  I gladly make a vat of it for my sister and BIL because they appreciate it and don't just assume because they have a hankering, I am jumping to make it.  When I do make it, I usually do about 20 lbs of potatoes so there is a lot of work involved in prep.  I took some in for a work pot luck once (by request from Boss who heard my sis raving about it).  Co worker's BIL comes over and fixes a plate (still trying to figure out that one as he didn't work there) and he fell in love with it.  He then started asking me to make it for him all.the.time!  I said when I do make it, sure I will bring him some..no, can't I just make him some?   ???  I finally told him for me to make this as often as he asks, he is going to the store, buy the stuff (it doesn't cost much but can add up if I have to keep mass producing it for him!), deliver the stuff to my house (I don't drive and I am not going to keep hauling bags of taters home on the bus for his bi weekly fixes), then he will pick up the finished product so I don't have to keep hauling it in on buses.  Oh, and he was supplying his own containers as mine kept disappearing when I would give him one.  He was highly put out..how hard can it be to keep making it and delivering it?? 

Then he had the gall to say he decided I should chop my onions differently because he wasn't sure he liked the size pieces I had put in >:(.  I quit that job last August..former co worker (who I do still talk to) asked me right before Easter if I would still be delivering her BIL's potato salad to him !
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: AuntieA on June 25, 2013, 03:39:56 AM
I used to crochet & do petit point, which segues into counted cross stitch. My mother was bad for telling me to make crocheted afghans for her friends, for which I was reimbursed only the price of the materials. I made a ton of baby blankets, sweaters, and snuggie-poose* things for expecting girlfriends & coworkers over the years. I remember sending a box (obtained from the liquor store, imagine a box which had held 12 bottles of wine) of hand-made baby things to my older sister when she was expecting my younger nephew. Baby-daddy asked, "Where did AuntieA get the money to buy all this stuff?" Oldersis replied, "Buy them? She made them!"

Sadly, arthritis now precludes my doing cross stitch, and crocheting isn't easy for me. Still, I made a gorgeous mauve and white baby afghan for my great-niece when she was expected, over two years ago.

I was in the position of being the recipient of someone's craft largesse a few years ago. We were a few months away from a tropical vacation, and I had bought a length of raspberry sundae colored ribbed silky polyester to use as a sarong. I mentioned to some of the nurses in CCU that I would be hemming the edges by hand, and one of them insisted that I bring the fabric in to her so she could do the job for me with her serger. Even though she kept telling me it was no problem, it took her less than half an hour, I brought a pair of silver and turquoise earrings back for her from that trip.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: alkira6 on June 25, 2013, 07:49:31 AM
Oooooh, the sewing moochers.  I feel the pain for that one.  For closer friends I have no problem doing small things as long as they understand that it will be on my timetable. Honestly, you might not get your stuff back for months.  When I was in college and desperate I nearly wore my little brother out doing sewing jobs. And really, college students were the best for not arguing about prices.  $20 to fix a rip and it took me 3 minutes?! Can you do it? Do you want it done? Either pay for it or hit the door.

I was also "voluntold" a lot when I was younger. It really hurt to see the miniature furniture that took me hours to make sold for 2-3 dollars at the church jumble sale. Same with the crocheted pot holders and scarves.  I now knit/crochet when I want to and on my timetable.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Outdoor Girl on June 25, 2013, 07:58:21 AM
I just remembered a barter I did with one of my coworkers.

I wanted some catnip 'mice', with no timetable in mind.  Just little pillows of fabric, stuffed with polyfil and catnip.  I supplied the polyfil and the catnip, she supplied the fabric scraps and the sewing.  And in return, she got some fresh veggies from my garden.

My cats loved them.  And I have lots of cat nip in my herb bed this year so I might have to ask her if she's willing to do it again.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Margo on June 25, 2013, 08:31:09 AM
Barter is good if both parties are happy with it.

A friend of mine is currently knitting a fancy pair of socks on my behalf. (I can't knit, and have neck and shoulder problems which mean I physically ca't, as well as being totally cack-handed)

I have a bunch of friends I know on aanother forum, and I knew a lot of them knit, so I posted a link to the pattern and asked whether anyone would be willing to knit the socks for me, as a commission, with me buying the materials and paying for the knitters time.

A friend of mine responded, saying that she had a long-standing policy that she would not take money for knitting (partly because of the issue that if you charge a realistic hourly rate, you soon end up with $400 pairs of socks, and partly because for her, accepting payment turned it from being a relaxing activity she does at her own pace into a job where she feels she has to meet deadlines) She proposed that I buy a second kit (pattern and yarn) from the same supplier, for a different design of her choice, and she would take that in exchange for the knitting work in 'my socks'

And that's what we did. The socks are still a work in progress, and I think both of us are much relaxed about the fact they're taking a lot longer than we expected because it's not a question of buying her time. (The delay is due to other things happening in her life)

My mum quilts. She makes stuff for family, and will take requests (She's working on a quilt for me, where I got a say in the colours and pattern) but they're done on her time.

When my grandmother was ill, and she was spending a lot of time visiting, my mum made a lot of  baby quilts - they were given to the NICU in the hospital, and each baby there was given one (it was organised via a local patchwork group - there were rules about what materials could be used, to ensure that the quilts could be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected before they went to the ward)  Another visitor to the hospital got very annoyed when my mum explained that even though she was making quilts for the premature babies in the NICU for free, she wouldn't make a full sized quilt for Random Stranger met in the hospital, for free....

It's not just crafts. I get asked for free advice a LOT. Because of my profession, I can also sign passport applications. This is not a small job. You have to actually know the person, you have to complete quite a lot of your personal information including your own passport details. I'm happy to do it for friends, but I have had neighbours I have never spoken to in my life knocking on my door and demanding that I sign their forms, and those of their children and partners and mothers.... and get cranky when I tell them no.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: stitchygreyanonymouse on June 25, 2013, 08:51:00 AM


Every once in a while, people will mention that they loved one of my baby quilts and would love for me to make one that they can gift to someone they know, but they’ve always taken "I prefer to just sew for fun when the mood strikes" at face value and never followed up.

My SO took a while to learn—he'll still ask me to make a "blanket" for a friend, but gives me a whole lot of lead time (and buys at least part of the supplies if they aren't in my stash already or all if it’s not a joint gift). The lead time only came after he asked me to make a quilt for his grandmother a week before Christmas. I finished it in time, but he didn't get to see me very much that week. :)

That first bolded section would just frost me.

That's just covetous. It's bad enough for them to ask for something from me, someone who actually knows them and cares about them.

But for them to "spend" my time and energy on behalf of someone who is not MY friend is just beyond the pale. Yeah, yeah, supposedly I'm doing for *them*, since they're the one who asked. But really they're just using me as a commodity for them to pay off their social debt.

I once made a cookbook for a friend's bridal shower, taking recipes from a defunct magazine I'd worked for and putting them into an index card booklet w/ a binder ring through one corner.

I added chapters on stuff like "the herbs and spices you need, and what to use them for" (those I wrote), and added notes to the recipes to tell more about how to make them, etc.

My MIL admired it and immediately said, "Maybe you could make one for Cousin You Barely Know, because her shower is coming up."  I said, "Do you know how much work that was? Donna is a really good friend of mine--that's why I made it for her."

I agree about the friends and acquaintances doing it, and would be very irked by your MIL in that case. When my SO does it, it’s more, "it would be nice if we could give mutual friend a quilt for their baby, or as a sort of all-encompassing thank you. Will it fit in to your projects before X?" which I don't mind, because usually I’ve been thinking about making that person one anyhow. And those gifts are always from *us*, not just him. But in that case, we've come to an agreement that it falls outside my hobby budget (aside from things from my stash that I don't mind using) so since I'm putting in the work, he puts in the money for material.

Why is basic sewing such a novelty to some people? I have basic skills like buttons and hems, and I can follow a Simplicity pattern. People act like I can spin gold when they find out.
It's part of our culture of learned helplessness.  "You have to be a professional to do X."  So Jane Q. Public, who of course is not a professional seamstress herself, stands in awe of our ability to sew on buttons.  And if, by that logic, we are "professionals" then of course we could make her niece's wedding gown out of that lovely hand-beaded silk that's $300 per yard.  But since we aren't the kind of professionals who actually make a living at sewing, we should be happy to do it for free. 

Substitute any of the other crafts here for 'sewing', of course, if it applies.

Or Web development. Or computer stuff in general. Actually, that could probably be a whole thread on its own: number of times people have wanted me to fix their computer for free, because I am a "computer person" (degree in Comp Sci, professional developer).

Actually, no, I can't fix your computer, because I haven't used Windows for more than simple web browsing for more than 10 years, and when mine breaks, I usually have someone else fix it anyway, because I don't want to deal with it!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: unnalee on June 25, 2013, 09:05:57 AM
I taught high school English for the better part of a decade.  My classes always had a major "school-to-work" component including cover letters, applications, resumes, etc.  I've been out of teaching for almost two years now, and I still have family members and Facebook friends sending me their application materials with the expectation that I'll drop everything to proofread and edit.  Usually they need this done RIGHT.NOW so it can be sent out tomorrow. 

I'll do it for my mom because she's been thrown into the job search arena after thinking she had job security for 28 years, and I don't want to see my parents lose their house.  But I'm not about to take up the few hours I have at home with my kids after work to help a second cousin apply for a part-time summer job.

There are online tutorials and tons of examples to be found on the Internet.  Or pay a service to help you.  I'm done.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: SDG31000 on June 25, 2013, 10:30:44 AM
DH gets the computer repair requests aka "This isn't working.  Fix it NOW" Nearly all of which he gives into, but most people give him a bottle of wine or offer an exchange of services.

I get the baking demands.  Most people have no idea how much making a large cake from scratch costs, they think they can buy one at a supermarket for a few pounds and why wouldn't I want to make them a cake for nothing.  I made my sister's wedding cake that cost about £250 just for the ingredients.  DH nearly had a stroke when my mom asked when we were giving my sister and BIL their wedding present.  She thought it had cost about £50 to make.  I now refuse to make birthday cakes for anyone if asked, but I will give them as a present to friends and family.
Even a normal tray of brownies isn't cheap if I use my favourite recipe.  Good chocolate, the best cocoa powder and caramel add up especially as I make large batches.  I've lost count of the number of times I've been "volunteered" to bake for someone's party when I wasn't even invited and lots of times didn't know the person who was hosting.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Hillia on June 25, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
The most asked for is my potato salad (my sister swears I must put crack in it because it is addictive!) . 

Would you consider posting the recipe in the Recipe Requests folder, or is it a Secret Weapon  :-) ?  I love potato salad but have never found a good recipe to  make my own.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 25, 2013, 10:42:37 AM
I need someone who quilts to barter with me for sugarcraft and jewelry.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: snowflake on June 25, 2013, 11:18:09 AM
I was also "voluntold" a lot when I was younger. It really hurt to see the miniature furniture that took me hours to make sold for 2-3 dollars at the church jumble sale. Same with the crocheted pot holders and scarves.  I now knit/crochet when I want to and on my timetable.

Can I steal "voluntold"?

I have jewelry-making supplies for the sole purpose of fixing my own jewelry if something gets bent or if I want to replace a link or a clasp.  Occasionally, someone finds out I have jewelry mending skills and asks if I want to try copying some complex beading pattern for them.  They say I should be able to do it because I have the ability to knit complex cables so surely I should know how to bead. 

No, crafting is not one, generalizable skill.

A friend of mine just told me about her experience.  Friend uses her cutting machine to make complex adhesive vinyl cut-outs for children's rooms.  She sells them on etsy for a decent profit.  Her SIL bought a house and spent $$$$$ decorating these perfect rooms for her two kids (6 and 8.)  She paid a ridiculous amount of money to get vinyl cut-outs from a swanky catalog.  Friend said, "You know, for that price you could have bought a cutting machine and some similar cartridges and cut them out yourself.  I'd do that instead because kids tend to pick at the vinyl and that way you can replace it."

What her SIL heard was, "I have a cutting machine and I will replace your kids' vinyl for free."  Of course the kids picked at the vinyl and it was in pieces before six months.  She now expects friend to purchase the adhesive vinyl, find some matching cartridges (note, friend said she could find similar patterns - not the exact same ones), and cut it all for free.  SIL does not understand why she should have to pay for this.  After all, she is offering friend an excuse to expand her cartridge library and letting her "get rid" of any vinyl she has lying around.

Friend is kicking herself.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Shalamar on June 25, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
I'm pretty good at making chocolate-chip cookies - mine always turn out moist and chewy and delish (if I do say so myself).  They're probably my one real talent.    I have a friend who kept saying "My wife can't make cookies to save her life.  Will you teach her?"  Even though it was obvious that he was the one who wanted her to learn, not the wife herself, I reluctantly agreed to a teaching session.

Shortly after the lesson began, it became obvious why her cookies didn't turn out.  I asked her to measure a cup of flour.  She grabbed the first measuring cup she saw, which happened to be a 1/2 cup.  I said "Um, that'll do fine, but you'll need two of them."  "Why?"  "Because you need a full cup, and that's just a 1/2."  "Oh."  She then piled the 1/2 cup high with flour so that it was completely rounded.  "You'll need to level that off - there's too much."  "Oh!"

The cookies turned out fine, but apparently she hadn't learned a thing, because her husband called me soon after to say plaintively "She tried making cookies again, and they're terrible.  Can she come over for another lesson?"  I firmly said that I already had plans, and that was that.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: z_squared82 on June 25, 2013, 12:39:49 PM
The only time I didn’t get out of it is when my mother “voluntold” me (volunteered me without asking me first) that I was going to take pictures at a charity event. I went along with it (b/c she told me the day before I didn’t want to leave the group in a bind like that), but told her never again.

I was also "voluntold" a lot when I was younger. It really hurt to see the miniature furniture that took me hours to make sold for 2-3 dollars at the church jumble sale. Same with the crocheted pot holders and scarves.  I now knit/crochet when I want to and on my timetable.

Can I steal "voluntold"?


You should totally steal the voluntold.  I find it incredibly useful.

I first heard it a few years ago when I was training at Major American Airline in their reservations department. Our instructor would want someone to come to the front for something or other, asking for volunteers. If no one volunteered, she’d say, “You! Come on up, you’ve just been voluntold.”

I almost miss that job.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: z_squared82 on June 25, 2013, 12:41:07 PM
I need someone who quilts to barter with me for sugarcraft and jewelry.

What kind of quilt are you looking for and what kind of sugar craft do you do?
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Outdoor Girl on June 25, 2013, 12:42:09 PM
The cookies turned out fine, but apparently she hadn't learned a thing, because her husband called me soon after to say plaintively "She tried making cookies again, and they're terrible.  Can she come over for another lesson?"  I firmly said that I already had plans, and that was that.
I would have told him he was welcome to come over and I'd teach HIM how to make them.

When my Mom died, my Dad decided he wanted to make some cookies for Christmas trays.  So he came down to my place and I showed him how to do it.  He measures everything he needs out into little containers before hand and then starts mixing it all together.  One of the cookies he makes, I also make but a friend prefers his.   >:(   ;D
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: misha412 on June 25, 2013, 01:09:05 PM
Well, this is more of a hobby than a craft. I am a family historian. I have done it for hire before, but tend to do it for pleasure mostly.

For some reason, when people hear I do family history, they seem to think I would naturally want to do their family tree for free. Since I love it so much...right?

I had a young co-worker who came up and asked me to do a family history for her father as a birthday gift. It was about 10 days before the birthday. I explained that it was not possible to do a reasonable family history in 10 days or less. I also explained my going rate was $40 an hour.

She was completely flummoxed. According to her, all I needed to do, apparently, was to go on Ancestry.com and just plug in his name. The rest would be done by the website. Ummm, no. You can get a good amount of information on Ancestry if you know what to look at. But, to make sure the history is complete and connects the right people, you need to pull original records and double check everything. I have an extensive family history I have documented for many branches of my family. Even with easy to access computer records, it has taken me over two decades to put things together and I am still working on it.

Co-worker decided I was being completely unreasonable, especially about wanting to charge her to do it.

She got a cousin of hers to do it for her. Just after New Year's she comes up to me and shows me the family history her cousin put together. It was a mishmash of information pulled from Ancestry. An example that caught my eye pretty quickly was one set of dad's grandparents. The husband of this couple was born around 1860 and died about 1920. His wife was not born until 1910 and died in the 1980s. The only child of this couple, a son, was not born until the late 1930s. So the father had been dead over 15 years when the son was born.  :o

I just smiled and handed the pile of paper back to her. My thoughts, that went unsaid, is that you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: whatsanenigma on June 25, 2013, 01:13:58 PM
She was completely flummoxed. According to her, all I needed to do, apparently, was to go on Ancestry.com and just plug in his name. The rest would be done by the website. Ummm, no.

This kind of thing is what baffles me the most about some of these demands, be they for a family tree or a quilt or a batch of cookies or a website or  whatever.

Somebody asks you to do a thing.  You give them a time frame and price.  They freak out because it's not that time consuming or expensive, in their opinion.  "It's so easy" so why should you charge so much and take so long?

And that, of course, begs the question: If it's "so easy" why don't you do it yourself?  Why did you ask me at all?

I don't know why people don't think this  one through before they ask.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Browyn on June 25, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
Why is basic sewing such a novelty to some people? I have basic skills like buttons and hems, and I can follow a Simplicity pattern. People act like I can spin gold when they find out.
It's part of our culture of learned helplessness.  "You have to be a professional to do X."  So Jane Q. Public, who of course is not a professional seamstress herself, stands in awe of our ability to sew on buttons.  And if, by that logic, we are "professionals" then of course we could make her niece's wedding gown out of that lovely hand-beaded silk that's $300 per yard.  But since we aren't the kind of professionals who actually make a living at sewing, we should be happy to do it for free. 

Substitute any of the other crafts here for 'sewing', of course, if it applies.

I have been sewing since I was six (I had Grandma's old machine in my bedroom) and I am 48 now.  I do renaissance faire costumes for myself and my DH and DS (he's 8).  Its a hobby and its fun, I also can alter/hem my own clothes.  There is also a small group of close friends for whom I will make costumes for their children.  But these are people who I love and who wouldn't hesitate to help me when I need it.*

I make baby size quilts and will make one just because I find a fabric I like so when someone we know has a baby I have plenty of ready made presents.

If someone I hardly knew demanded I make them a gift?  I don't think so ;-)

(*We were moving, I was 5 months pregnant, my Mother had just died and I was completely overwhelmed.  They just showed up on a Saturday and packed up the apartment for me.  How awesome is that!)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: magician5 on June 25, 2013, 01:24:05 PM
Even a normal tray of brownies isn't cheap if I use my favourite recipe.  Good chocolate, the best cocoa powder and caramel add up especially as I make large batches.  I've lost count of the number of times I've been "volunteered" to bake for someone's party when I wasn't even invited and lots of times didn't know the person who was hosting.

Brownies - excellent idea!

Send them to:

Magician Five
123 Main Street
Anytown, USA 56789

I'll be sure to say "thank you." You didn't want me to pay you for them, did you?
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 25, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
I need someone who quilts to barter with me for sugarcraft and jewelry.

What kind of quilt are you looking for and what kind of sugar craft do you do?

I would like to start with a lap quilt. I make cakes, cupcakes, chocolate, cake pops, and can learn anything I haven't mentioned. I also make brookies (brownie batter and cookie dough baked together). They are very popular.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: *inviteseller on June 25, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
The most asked for is my potato salad (my sister swears I must put crack in it because it is addictive!) . 

Would you consider posting the recipe in the Recipe Requests folder, or is it a Secret Weapon  :-) ?  I love potato salad but have never found a good recipe to  make my own.

To be honest, I really have never used a recipe.  I just decided to make it about 15 years ago, and voila.  Basically, I peel the potatos, boil them, drain them, then put them in the fridge overnight- they are easier to work with and it doesn't get watery.  I put in diced (small) cucumbers, onions, and hard boiled eggs (I use 3 large cukes and 1 1/2 onions, and a dozen eggs per 10 lbs), mix with salad dressing instead of mayo (and any brand will do) mixed with yellow mustard.  I start with small amounts of the dressing and add a bit more until it is all mixed but not over dressed (I am not a mayonnaise or mayo like product fan so I tend to make sure while it is there, it is not too much).  Top with sliced hard boiled eggs and paprika.   
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jocelyn on June 25, 2013, 02:23:44 PM
I need someone who quilts to barter with me for sugarcraft and jewelry.
'What's sugarcraft?' inquired the quilter.

edited to add:
'Oh,' said the diabetic quilter. 'Fortunately, I like jewelry.'
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: dawbs on June 25, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
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^this is why it's not work to painstakingly make a gazillion and one tiny craft things as a gift for my kid...but it IS work for me to sew a button on for a non-grateful stranger :)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Chip2 on June 25, 2013, 02:51:58 PM
Had this discussion a few years back:

Guest:  that is a beautiful [Shaker-style sofa] table? Where did you get it?
MsChip:  Chip2 made it.
Guest:  he made it?
MsChip:  He selected the wood, went to the shop, hand-oiled it, everything.
Guest:  do you think he could make me one?
MsChip:  let's find out....

I ran the numbers in my my head and....

Me:  $500 probably.
Guest:  what?! No! It can't be that expensive!
Me:  the wood alone would probably run at least $300-350. And I'll need a couple of router bits, and a couple of drawer knobs to match the species, and some hardware to make some jigs....
Guest:  that's outrageous!
Me:  that's a conservative estimate.
Guest:  but you've got wood just laying around.
Me:  not that species. I used the last big piece to make this basket.
Guest:  ooh! That's pretty! Can I have it?

I'll end the story by noting that I have little patience for people who just don't get it.

Oh my! this made me laugh out loud. My hobbies produce things in a much lower price range than that. For someone to expect something from you that is so expensive is just... wow.

And $500 for a handmade sofa table sounds like a bargain!

I wouldn't have been charging for my time; I would have considered building the table good practice, plus I would have kept the leftover lumber.

Once I did have a less polite individual demand that I sell her the cradle I was building. My response? "Sure! $1000." She declined.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: SDG31000 on June 25, 2013, 03:37:10 PM
Even a normal tray of brownies isn't cheap if I use my favourite recipe.  Good chocolate, the best cocoa powder and caramel add up especially as I make large batches.  I've lost count of the number of times I've been "volunteered" to bake for someone's party when I wasn't even invited and lots of times didn't know the person who was hosting.

Brownies - excellent idea!

Send them to:

Magician Five
123 Main Street
Anytown, USA 56789

I'll be sure to say "thank you." You didn't want me to pay you for them, did you?

Magician5 I would gladly send brownies, but given that the UK postal service wants £6.22 to send a birthday card to my DBIL, it would probably be cheaper to come and bake them for you.  DH says the secret to my brownies is that the batter is basically there to hold all the additions together.  I use Dark, Milk and White chocolate (about 400g in total), marshmallows, caramel sauce (made from scratch) and whatever else is at hand.  Chopped up fudge bars, roasted hazelnuts and toffee pieces work well.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Lynn2000 on June 25, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
I had something awkward happen once. I did a favor for someone. It involved some real time on my part, but I was completely happy to do it. The person thanked me and said she should do something for me in return. "No, you don't need to do anything. I was pleased to get that done for you," I told her. Then she said that she was a knitter and that she'd be happy to knit me a scarf as a thank you. Now, the truth is that I'm a big knitter too, and I already have a large collection of handmade scarves, but she didn't know this. I knew she was trying to show her gratitude so I smiled and said "Sure, if you want to make me a scarf, that would be lovely." She then told me that she would just need me to pay for the supplies she would use. I guess I walked right into that one.

In the end, she never did get around to making me a scarf or asking me to cover any costs. But it was awkward at the time. Now I know that if someone offers to knit me something, I should enthusiastically say "I knit too," and try to beandip by discussing what my last big project was.

Wow, that is awkward, on her part. I would've read it as, the whole point of her making something for you was to thank you for the favor you did for her. Having you pay for your thank-you kind of negates it, doesn't it?
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: VorFemme on June 25, 2013, 03:55:34 PM
Well, this is more of a hobby than a craft. I am a family historian. I have done it for hire before, but tend to do it for pleasure mostly.

For some reason, when people hear I do family history, they seem to think I would naturally want to do their family tree for free. Since I love it so much...right?

I had a young co-worker who came up and asked me to do a family history for her father as a birthday gift. It was about 10 days before the birthday. I explained that it was not possible to do a reasonable family history in 10 days or less. I also explained my going rate was $40 an hour.

She was completely flummoxed. According to her, all I needed to do, apparently, was to go on Ancestry.com and just plug in his name. The rest would be done by the website. Ummm, no. You can get a good amount of information on Ancestry if you know what to look at. But, to make sure the history is complete and connects the right people, you need to pull original records and double check everything. I have an extensive family history I have documented for many branches of my family. Even with easy to access computer records, it has taken me over two decades to put things together and I am still working on it.

Co-worker decided I was being completely unreasonable, especially about wanting to charge her to do it.

She got a cousin of hers to do it for her. Just after New Year's she comes up to me and shows me the family history her cousin put together. It was a mishmash of information pulled from Ancestry. An example that caught my eye pretty quickly was one set of dad's grandparents. The husband of this couple was born around 1860 and died about 1920. His wife was not born until 1910 and died in the 1980s. The only child of this couple, a son, was not born until the late 1930s. So the father had been dead over 15 years when the son was born.  :o

I just smiled and handed the pile of paper back to her. My thoughts, that went unsaid, is that you get what you pay for.

DD's husband's sister (SIL) has gotten the geneology bug - to the point that she is working on MY DD's family tree.

Grandma MIL is still alive - but the woman of the same name, born in a different city & state that SIL put on DD's family tree died in the 1990s or so.

I've reminded Mom that one of the things all of us would like for Christmas, with the old family photos on flash drives, would be a copy of her current version of the family tree.....
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ti_ax on June 25, 2013, 03:56:28 PM
Wow, that is awkward, on her part. I would've read it as, the whole point of her making something for you was to thank you for the favor you did for her. Having you pay for your thank-you kind of negates it, doesn't it?
Honestly, would it be rude to assume a confused facial expression and ask her, "Are you seriously asking me to pay you to thank me for doing you a favor?"

Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: poundcake on June 25, 2013, 04:23:43 PM
Even a normal tray of brownies isn't cheap if I use my favourite recipe.  Good chocolate, the best cocoa powder and caramel add up especially as I make large batches.  I've lost count of the number of times I've been "volunteered" to bake for someone's party when I wasn't even invited and lots of times didn't know the person who was hosting.

Brownies - excellent idea!

Send them to:

Magician Five
123 Main Street
Anytown, USA 56789

I'll be sure to say "thank you." You didn't want me to pay you for them, did you?

Magician5 I would gladly send brownies, but given that the UK postal service wants £6.22 to send a birthday card to my DBIL, it would probably be cheaper to come and bake them for you.  DH says the secret to my brownies is that the batter is basically there to hold all the additions together.  I use Dark, Milk and White chocolate (about 400g in total), marshmallows, caramel sauce (made from scratch) and whatever else is at hand.  Chopped up fudge bars, roasted hazelnuts and toffee pieces work well.

Those sound great! But you need to leave out the white chocolate. And the hazelnuts. Can you put peanut butter and cocoanut in them instead? And substitute extra dark chocolate? And maybe do a cute design on the top with the caramel drizzle? You know, as long as you're making them, anyway. Oh, and double the recipe, I need to take some into the office for a birthday! What time can you drop them off?

Wait, they're gluten free, aren't they??
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Shalamar on June 25, 2013, 04:31:55 PM
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I would have told him he was welcome to come over and I'd teach HIM how to make them.

Oh, I did.  We're good enough friends that I'm fairly blunt with him, and I said "You seem to be the only one who cares about homemade cookies - why don't YOU learn?"  (To be fair, he does do a lot of the cooking in his house.)  He said "(Wife) wants to learn," which was probably wishful thinking on his part.  That, or he was projecting his own views on what women should be like.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: TeamBhakta on June 25, 2013, 04:58:47 PM
I can't tell you how many times I've heard second or third hand "Cousin / sister / aunt would like you to send your information about the TeamBhakta family tree. Email it when you get a chance." Never mind that each grandparent's side of the family is divided into big thick binders with pages and pages of photos and info. Let me just scan it all for you right now. I have several hours free, right ? ::)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: daen on June 25, 2013, 05:14:34 PM
I can't tell you how many times I've heard second or third hand "Cousin / sister / aunt would like you to send your information about the TeamBhakta family tree. Email it when you get a chance." Never mind that each grandparent's side of the family is divided into big thick binders with pages and pages of photos and info. Let me just scan it all for you right now. I have several hours free, right ? ::)

You know, if you've got a lot of source material in hard copy, it might be a good idea to scan (or take good high-res pictures of) all of it, so you can keep a backup offsite. Spending fifteen minutes a day or an hour a week (or whatever you can spare) would break it down into a manageable series of tasks, and might save your bacon at some point down the road.
 
Emailing it would be insane, of course, but once you have it in electronic format, Cousin/Sister/Aunt can provide you with enough usb drives to save all the materials, plus whatever fee you charge for file transfer/file storage/research, and pay for you to ship the drives out to him/her/it.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: snowflake on June 25, 2013, 05:21:21 PM
And that, of course, begs the question: If it's "so easy" why don't you do it yourself?  Why did you ask me at all?

I don't know why people don't think this  one through before they ask.

Because people don't see you using a hard-won talent.  They see you using some mad mystical skills.  For some reason, people are more likely to admire "Spiderman" (who needed one radioactive bite) than some ninja who trains for ten years.

I have had people say, "Oh, I tried to learn how to knit, but I can't do it like you."  I even had someone tell me, "One day I sat down and decided not to get up until I could knit very well but seven hours later my arms hurt too much and I still wasn't good."

I learned to knit because I saw my teacher making a gorgeous lacy sweater and was blown away.  I couldn't knit for the first year I knit.  But I knit every day for at least twenty minutes.  I did that for eight years and didn't knit anything decent during that time.  When I was in college I made the habit of knitting for an hour each night (while watching Star Trek) because I had to unwind somehow.  That continued for awhile and then I could make basic hats and stuff that weren't so ugly.  Then I got a job and for the most part have commuted via public transport because I have lived in large cities.  That was more knitting time.

I didn't do complex lace work or over-the-top cables until I had been knitting for fifteen years.  I finally made myself a gorgeous lacy sweater after knitting for twenty years.  (My parents really wish I had decided to be concert pianist or something impressive, but whatever.)

That is one of the reasons why this particular topic is one of my pet peeves.  Because they aren't just asking for time and/or money.  It often comes with an attitude of, "Well I'd like to do that but I just don't have that magic that you do."  It's an attitude that discounts that I didn't just pick up a "how to" book, I didn't even try it for seven hours.  I started out suckier than suck and I practiced thousands and thousands of hours of my life.  This does not obligate me to use my talent for any Tom, wingadingdingy or Harry who covets it.   
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Micah on June 25, 2013, 05:30:07 PM
I've had horses since I was six years old. In that time I've developed certain skills with them, that strangers are very willing to pay me for. I can't count the amount of times that I've had friends and acquaintances ring me, "Oh, my horse has suddenly starting doing (behavior), can you come round and fix it?"
A) there's no easy 'fix' for what they want.
B) some of the behaviors are downright dangerous and very time consuming to deal with.
C) friends and acquaintances ALWAYS want me to do it for free. Some very close friends I'll help willingly for free, but a lot of others seem to think that because I enjoy doing what I do, I'll willingly spend hours wrestling with their spoilt rotten brat of a horse!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: TeamBhakta on June 25, 2013, 05:34:27 PM
I can't tell you how many times I've heard second or third hand "Cousin / sister / aunt would like you to send your information about the TeamBhakta family tree. Email it when you get a chance." Never mind that each grandparent's side of the family is divided into big thick binders with pages and pages of photos and info. Let me just scan it all for you right now. I have several hours free, right ? ::)

You know, if you've got a lot of source material in hard copy, it might be a good idea to scan (or take good high-res pictures of) all of it, so you can keep a backup offsite. Spending fifteen minutes a day or an hour a week (or whatever you can spare) would break it down into a manageable series of tasks, and might save your bacon at some point down the road.
 
Emailing it would be insane, of course, but once you have it in electronic format, Cousin/Sister/Aunt can provide you with enough usb drives to save all the materials, plus whatever fee you charge for file transfer/file storage/research, and pay for you to ship the drives out to him/her/it.

I just flat out won't send it to anyone. I bring my binders along when I'm visiting family out of town. They're welcome to take it to the copy shop themselves or try to scan it themselves (provided they aren't likely to lose parts of it). It's a sore subject for me, partly because both of my sisters have burned me. Sister 1 was living with our mom's sister (long story), received a picture in the mail from our maternal grandmother's sister. It was the only picture anyone had of our grandmother's mom and grandparents. Both Sister & Aunt promised to scan it after they showed me the picture during a visit. They lost the photo and then claimed no such picture existed :o Sister 2 wanted the only copies I have of our paternal grandparents' wedding picture for her wedding slide show. She never put the pics in the slide show. Then she and her husband pussy footed around later about "Did you give us pictures ? Huh, we don't remember.We'll look around, but what pictures..." That is not the first time Sister 2 has been irresponsible about loaned items; so I refuse to trust her with anything valuable again.  :P I'm not sure what Sister 1 and Aunt were trying to pull, though
*ETA: My parents were there when Sister 1 shared the picture at Aunt's house. They also saw me hand over the wedding photos to Sister 2 in her own house.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: misha412 on June 25, 2013, 05:42:25 PM
I can't tell you how many times I've heard second or third hand "Cousin / sister / aunt would like you to send your information about the TeamBhakta family tree. Email it when you get a chance." Never mind that each grandparent's side of the family is divided into big thick binders with pages and pages of photos and info. Let me just scan it all for you right now. I have several hours free, right ? ::)

EEEKK!!!

I hate those requests. I have had aunts, uncles, cousins, and people I have never corresponded with or met who want me to send my research to random people.

The one I really liked (total sarcasm) is "can you send the family tree to Cousin X?" left as a message on my phone. No idea who the person calling is. I have never heard of Cousin X. And since I have both sides of my family tree documented, I need to know what part of the tree to send.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Yarnspinner on June 25, 2013, 06:03:38 PM
Does having people outside of work ask you to use your at work skills for them count?

My beloved (but flakey) friend Hester would often put programs together for our monthly club meetings.  For one meeting she decided that she wanted the mother of another club member to tell the story of her family's escape from Oppressive Country to America.

Hester wanted everyone to be able to follow along by look at maps.  She asked me to bring some maps of Oppressive Country and region.  So I did.

And when I got there, carrying several large atlases (most of them reference items that weren't supposed to go out at all) she complained and complained because she meant I should bring the big roll down map that is permanently attached to the wall in the reference room.  Or the BIG flip chart map (which I have never seen here and neither has anyone else) that we apparently hide somewhere.

It was not the best night I have spent in Hester's company.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Paper Roses on June 25, 2013, 07:41:11 PM
I had something awkward happen once. I did a favor for someone. It involved some real time on my part, but I was completely happy to do it. The person thanked me and said she should do something for me in return. "No, you don't need to do anything. I was pleased to get that done for you," I told her. Then she said that she was a knitter and that she'd be happy to knit me a scarf as a thank you. Now, the truth is that I'm a big knitter too, and I already have a large collection of handmade scarves, but she didn't know this. I knew she was trying to show her gratitude so I smiled and said "Sure, if you want to make me a scarf, that would be lovely." She then told me that she would just need me to pay for the supplies she would use. I guess I walked right into that one.

In the end, she never did get around to making me a scarf or asking me to cover any costs. But it was awkward at the time. Now I know that if someone offers to knit me something, I should enthusiastically say "I knit too," and try to beandip by discussing what my last big project was.

Wow, that is awkward, on her part. I would've read it as, the whole point of her making something for you was to thank you for the favor you did for her. Having you pay for your thank-you kind of negates it, doesn't it?

Kind of opens up a new level of entitlement, though.  Think about it.  Now we can tell people, "Ok, great.  Now, as soon as I receive payment for ink, paper, postage and time, I'll set aside time to write you a thank you note."
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Kaora on June 25, 2013, 07:59:02 PM
I write. Not surprisingly, I get asked (more accurately, it's assumed) to write for free because "after all, you like to write so it's not like it's work for you." Closely related to that is the "you like to read so you can edit my book (note: for "royalties")," followed by "you can review my book on Amazon!" Ugh. I also love the "I have this great idea for a book! I'll tell it to you, you write it, and we'll make lots of money!"

There's a lot of opportunities, if you know how to make them...

Seriously, I would only dream of asking my BF that, but that's because I tend to be an idea person and his proofreader, where he will write things and we will often brainstorm new ideas together.  Mostly fanfics, but. :)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jelaza on June 25, 2013, 08:49:30 PM
I'm another in the cooking/baking camp - I'm still working on the expanding the breadth of my dishes, but the ones I do, I do quite well.

I've had one request that irritated me to the point that I did not respond to it (luckily, it was posted on Facebook and not done face-to-face, so I could easily ignore it).  My sister "J" that I share living space with asked me to make a certain dish that had been posted on someone else's Facebook wall.  She made the mistake of asking me on Facebook, so a few days later, another sister posted a "joking" demand on my wall that I make a certain dish for her.

When I made the dish for "J", she paid for all the ingredients for the complete meal that the dish ended up being a part of and made 2 of the sides for the meal, plus since we live together, I got to eat part of it.  Plus, we take turns cooking, so I would have been cooking anyway, either that day or the next.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: taffywduck on June 25, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
But it'll take you no time and you already have the supplies!

Sigh...

I knit (and now I crochet too, yay!) and I'm somewhat good at it. I knit a LOT because it relaxes me, makes the kids happy and I like the compliments it gets me. I know, I'm vain like that! ;)

Sadly it is mostly my parents and in-laws that are terrible at the "You should make X for me for free!" and though my mom will proudly wear anything I make her, I have yet to see my MIL wear the gloves I made her. Then my FIL insists I should make things to sell, but shouldn't charge more than 5-10$ for anything because it's cheaper at Walmart...

I do knit for others, mostly hats for the local hospital where DD2 was born because the nurses were just adorable and they kept saying how sorry they were that they had to reuse hats instead of giving them because they had so few. I happened to have a dozen at home when DD2 was born so I had my mom bring them out when they came to visit and the nurses were overjoyed. Made me feel so important, I swear it kept postpartum depression away!

I also knit birthday gifts for DD1's friends, I mostly make either princesses or superheroes finger puppets and they are a big hit! I've had one woman ask me if I could teach her to make them and she just couldn't get the knitting part so I made the bodies for her and taught her to do the hair and faces. She kept wanting to push money at me, but I declined because I figure I can't really ask for what it's really worth (time and all... I shudder at the 2-300$ finger puppets!), so she baked me a dozen cake pops!

She's also in charge of the Christmas baskets the community puts together for people who have fallen on hard times and she told me that they would take anything I make and include it in the baskets. It was great to hear because I often have so much fun with a pattern that I make too many or I have to stop myself because my kids don't want 5 of the same thing.

Another couple of moms have asked if they could buy a set from me, but I tell them I don't take commissions, but since I enjoy making them so much I can make them a set in my spare time. I have yet to meet someone who will insist or be pushy about it, I guess I'm lucky!

Once I had a mom ask me my price for crocheted penguin hats because I had made one for her kid (DD1's best friend) and quoted her a very reasonable 40$. She was thrilled, it was sooooo cheap! She had dozens of people wanting to put in an order and she would pass my info along.

Not one call.

So I'd rather knit for myself, my kids and charity because it makes me feel like my work is appreciated!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: CakeEater on June 25, 2013, 09:10:06 PM
I decorate fancy schmancy cake. I do them for friends and family at a fairly steep discount because of the fun.

So a friend of a friend rang me and asked if I make cake. Before I could explain that I really only do them for friends and family, she said, 'Because Friend1 told me you made them and were cheap.'

No more cake for Friend1!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: DoubleTrouble on June 25, 2013, 09:29:11 PM
I do sugarcraft. I wish people would ask me to make them cakes. I don't bake as much as I'd like because someone has to eat it.

If you lived near Chicago I would take you up on that offer!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: DoubleTrouble on June 25, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
I made this a while ago http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55)

  took it to Michael's to get it framed...and heard from a child in back of me 'Mommy, Can I have that for my room?"  and the mother agreed. She sauntered over looked at me and said " Allison wants that."

Me: " I want it too, and because I stitched it, I am keeping it."

Mom: "Allison wants it, and she gets what she wants."

Me: I used XXX pattern, DMC threads, and it took me 6months to do. good luck doing it for her!"

Mom: " I will just have yours, my older daughter works here and she'll bring it home."
 
  I did not end up leaving it and it still sits,rolled up in a tube because I won't risk it again. Someday I will have to take a course in framing and matting. :(

As someone who has also done a TW piece, I would be LIVID if someone had the gall to say that to me. 

It's also making me nervous, since I get my stuff framed at Michael's and I'm wondering if they have a procedure for making sure personal pieces don't just "disappear".

Same here. I've done three large pieces & many small pieces, I would have died if anyone stole one from the store when they were being framed. Honestly if someone said that to me I would have found a manager while the lady was still in the store & told them the story. Bet they would have been interested to know!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: DoubleTrouble on June 25, 2013, 09:46:20 PM
The cross stitch stuff reminded me of the time I made a very large cross stitch of The Last Supper, it's just over 2 feet wide & about 10 inches tall. Here's the pattern: http://www.123stitch.com/item/Janlynn-The-Last-Supper-Cross-Stitch-Kit/K1149-11

I was very proud of the project & my Mom offered to frame it for me which was great as I knew it would be expensive. When it was all said & done I showed it to my grandma who promptly said I just had to give it to her! Um, nope sorry grandma this took me almost 9 months to make & I loved that project.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Lady Snowdon on June 25, 2013, 09:52:53 PM
I make soap, and I've found no one wants to buy my finished, beautiful pieces, but everyone wants "a scrap" or "if it doesn't turn out well" or such like.  I am still learning, and a lot of my stuff doesn't turn out great, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give it away!  Some of it can be remelted and used again, some of it I want to keep for my DH and I to use, and a few pieces I will give to certain friends and family who will give me an honest review of how it smells, how it felt and if they liked it.  That group does not include the coworker who randomly blurts "Hey, you should give me some, that looks cool!" when I show another coworker a picture...
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Doll Fiend on June 25, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
The only person I would craft for free is my Mom. But then she buys the material and bows down to my crafty superiority. She loves what I make and when it is to be a gift (Such as current WIP of a baby blanket for a cousin) She always adds my name to the card and tells them I made it.

When it comes to selling, I believe in the rule of three. 1/3 to cover original cost, 1/3 to cover a second item (Increasing inventory or put to overhead) and the last 1/3 to be profit of yourself. Though some things I round up to a nice round number. (Lace gloves at $6 material easily selling at $20 as an example)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: SheltieMom on June 26, 2013, 12:36:28 AM
When my daughter (now 20) was little, I made a quilt for her, with 12 hand-embroidered carousel horses. It took more than 2 years to make, and I embroidered her name on the center block. I was really excited about the way it turned out, so I entered it in the Texas State Fair. To my delight, (and astonishment!) it took a blue ribbon! When I picked it up, I was given 2 comment cards that had been turned in. One offered to buy the quilt for $500. That's a good amount of money, but I had at least $100 in materials, plus the time, so that wasn't even considered. The other was quite sure that I would be willing to "donate the quilt to a family who lost everything in a fire." They didn't give the name of the family, and I really wasn't inclined to donate it anyway. Did I mention that the quilt had my daughter's (full) name embroidered right in the center?
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: WolfWay on June 26, 2013, 04:11:44 AM
Or Web development. Or computer stuff in general. Actually, that could probably be a whole thread on its own: number of times people have wanted me to fix their computer for free, because I am a "computer person" (degree in Comp Sci, professional developer).

Actually, no, I can't fix your computer, because I haven't used Windows for more than simple web browsing for more than 10 years, and when mine breaks, I usually have someone else fix it anyway, because I don't want to deal with it!
I'm a professional developer as well, but I don't spend my spare time taking apart machines or fiddling with hardware, so when I need my pc fixed, I go to my friend who installs wireless networks and ask him for help. In return I bring baked goods and alcohol, and sit with him and chat while he fixes it (so he has company and munchies while he works on it, and something to sip on later after I've gone.)

I also have a background (and some professional qualifications) in Botany, except my qualifications are more related to evolutionary genetics reasearch labs than practical horticulture. It's lovely that you want me to come look at your clivias and yes they are very pretty and no I have no idea about growing conditions or what's eating them or what would be good to plant in your garden this time of year. If you want me to identify that mystery plant, you need to give me a leaf sample and access to a DNA lab and a DNA sequencer for a week to get you your answer, other than "I might be wrong, but I do think.. it's a plant!"
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: poundcake on June 26, 2013, 06:29:03 AM
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: z_squared82 on June 26, 2013, 08:32:21 AM

Magician5 I would gladly send brownies, but given that the UK postal service wants £6.22 to send a birthday card to my DBIL, it would probably be cheaper to come and bake them for you.  DH says the secret to my brownies is that the batter is basically there to hold all the additions together.  I use Dark, Milk and White chocolate (about 400g in total), marshmallows, caramel sauce (made from scratch) and whatever else is at hand.  Chopped up fudge bars, roasted hazelnuts and toffee pieces work well.

Dearsweetgodyesplease.

And I don't even particularly care for chocolate!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: z_squared82 on June 26, 2013, 09:21:41 AM
I can't tell you how many times I've heard second or third hand "Cousin / sister / aunt would like you to send your information about the TeamBhakta family tree. Email it when you get a chance." Never mind that each grandparent's side of the family is divided into big thick binders with pages and pages of photos and info. Let me just scan it all for you right now. I have several hours free, right ? ::)

You know, if you've got a lot of source material in hard copy, it might be a good idea to scan (or take good high-res pictures of) all of it, so you can keep a backup offsite. Spending fifteen minutes a day or an hour a week (or whatever you can spare) would break it down into a manageable series of tasks, and might save your bacon at some point down the road.
 
Emailing it would be insane, of course, but once you have it in electronic format, Cousin/Sister/Aunt can provide you with enough usb drives to save all the materials, plus whatever fee you charge for file transfer/file storage/research, and pay for you to ship the drives out to him/her/it.

I just flat out won't send it to anyone. I bring my binders along when I'm visiting family out of town. They're welcome to take it to the copy shop themselves or try to scan it themselves (provided they aren't likely to lose parts of it). It's a sore subject for me, partly because both of my sisters have burned me.

There wouldn't happen to be a good example on the internet of how you set up your family history, would there?

Both of my maternal grandparents died in the past year, so the siblings (my mother, her five brothers and one sister) have been going through the contents of the house. Including lots of old family pictures.

Evidently there was a suggestion to nominate a family historian to scan and catalog everything (and probably make a family tree while they’re at it). As the sole history and journalism major, who also has a nice camera, scanner and Adobe PhotoShop and InDesign, I have a feeling I’m going to be voluntold. And sure, I could say no, but I have a feeling if I don't do it, it'll be done poorly.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: alkira6 on June 26, 2013, 10:13:28 AM
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There wouldn't happen to be a good example on the internet of how you set up your family history, would there?

Both of my maternal grandparents died in the past year, so the siblings (my mother, her five brothers and one sister) have been going through the contents of the house. Including lots of old family pictures.

Evidently there was a suggestion to nominate a family historian to scan and catalog everything (and probably make a family tree while they’re at it). As the sole history and journalism major, who also has a nice camera, scanner and Adobe PhotoShop and InDesign, I have a feeling I’m going to be voluntold. And sure, I could say no, but I have a feeling if I don't do it, it'll be done poorly.

If you want to do it to control quality, take the project and do it on your own time. Feel free to tell others who ask about it that it is being done when you have the time.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Miss Misery on June 26, 2013, 10:13:51 AM
Don't even get me started on how many people seem to think I should be falling over myself to spend hours and hours drawing their husband/wife/cat/dog/monkey/house plant/3rd cousin twice removed for nothing in return.

It always makes me wonder if they call the plumber to unclog the kitchen sink and say "I can't pay you, but I'll tell everyone you're great!" ::)

(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/160/f/8/hugh_laurie_19_by_miss_misery1313-d68exat.jpg) (http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/159/6/c/johnny_depp_10_by_miss_misery1313-d68axec.jpg)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: z_squared82 on June 26, 2013, 10:24:19 AM
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There wouldn't happen to be a good example on the internet of how you set up your family history, would there?

Both of my maternal grandparents died in the past year, so the siblings (my mother, her five brothers and one sister) have been going through the contents of the house. Including lots of old family pictures.

Evidently there was a suggestion to nominate a family historian to scan and catalog everything (and probably make a family tree while they’re at it). As the sole history and journalism major, who also has a nice camera, scanner and Adobe PhotoShop and InDesign, I have a feeling I’m going to be voluntold. And sure, I could say no, but I have a feeling if I don't do it, it'll be done poorly.

If you want to do it to control quality, take the project and do it on your own time. Feel free to tell others who ask about it that it is being done when you have the time.

Yeah, that was my thought. That and, "I can do it, but you are all going to help." Things like, calling up The Greats (great aunts and uncles) to get info and photos.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: snowflake on June 26, 2013, 10:38:34 AM
Or Web development. Or computer stuff in general. Actually, that could probably be a whole thread on its own: number of times people have wanted me to fix their computer for free, because I am a "computer person" (degree in Comp Sci, professional developer).

Actually, no, I can't fix your computer, because I haven't used Windows for more than simple web browsing for more than 10 years, and when mine breaks, I usually have someone else fix it anyway, because I don't want to deal with it!
I'm a professional developer as well, but I don't spend my spare time taking apart machines or fiddling with hardware, so when I need my pc fixed, I go to my friend who installs wireless networks and ask him for help. In return I bring baked goods and alcohol, and sit with him and chat while he fixes it (so he has company and munchies while he works on it, and something to sip on later after I've gone.)

I also have a background (and some professional qualifications) in Botany, except my qualifications are more related to evolutionary genetics reasearch labs than practical horticulture. It's lovely that you want me to come look at your clivias and yes they are very pretty and no I have no idea about growing conditions or what's eating them or what would be good to plant in your garden this time of year. If you want me to identify that mystery plant, you need to give me a leaf sample and access to a DNA lab and a DNA sequencer for a week to get you your answer, other than "I might be wrong, but I do think.. it's a plant!"

I suppose this is like being a social worker.  I constantly was asked if I could diagnose someone's nephew's friend for autism based on a few second-hand anecdotes.  Oh, and could I give them a quick magic cure.  I would always say, "No, sorry I'm not credentialed for that."  Though on second thought, I really wouldn't do it if I was.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: MommyPenguin on June 26, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
Wow, Miss Misery, are those samples of your work?  They're amazing!!!

I dabble.  Which means that I knit, cross-stitch, decorate cakes, bake, craft, do web design, etc.  I haven't gotten *too* much of a request for free stuff, but it depends.  I did have a coworker ask me to make Christmas stockings for her kids, after I'd been making them for my family.  She asked me what I'd want for them.  That's a *really* hard question for a knitter!  Because, even though these stockings use the cheapest of cheap yarn, so supplies aren't too expensive, there are hours and hours and hours of work involved.  But actually charging a decent hourly wage would make them ridiculously expensive.  I asked her for $50 a stocking, which is about the most money that I thought would seem reasonable, and yet with probably $10 of yarn and 30 hours of knitting, plus a few extra hours in design work as she wanted custom pictures on them (guessing, I didn't count hours)...  But she was my best friend at work and while I'm not sure I would have been willing to spend that much time to do it for free, the money took the edge off.

In general, though, I think dabbling is really the key.  It keeps you from being *so* skilled in any one hobby that everybody wants your stuff.  :P

Oh, and to the PP who talked about the hours and hours she spent knitting stuff that just wasn't any good before she got to the point where she could knit well... is it pathetic that my first thought there was that that was exactly my experience with learning to play StarCraft (a computer game) in college?  :)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: lilfox on June 26, 2013, 11:16:05 AM
Like MommyPenguin, I love crafting but I never spend long enough on any one thing to get a reputation for it.  Usually I have one thing that works out per craft, which is rewarding for me but also something I can point to and say "this was a wonderful fluke" rather than "this is truly representative of my talent.". My mom occasionally encourages me to knit more, paint more, whatever, based on the fluke. And i appreciate that, for sure.  Fortunately she's never voluntold me for anything, and any compliments I get don't go further into "can I have one too?"

The thing is, I don't have a lot of natural talent or creativity, but I work with what I have.  It's fun, but it's also frustrating always being on the learning curve and it takes time and effort to come up with even one finished product that's not a disappointment to me.  So what bothers me is when people gush about how creative or crafty I am (solely based on the fact that I've tried a wide range of crafts) and either set me on a pedestal or use to illustrate how uncrafty they are.  ultimately the thing that sets me apart is being willing to try something hard just because and then keep at it long enough to succeed at least once, not having magic innate powers.  I used to deflect with "oh you could learn this too" or similar, but that's not what most people want to hear, so now I leave it at "thank you."
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: VorFemme on June 26, 2013, 11:28:49 AM
There are a few people in this world that I make exceptions for (we all probably have them) - Mom (who gave me my first cooking & sewing lessons - then got me into 4-H so I could get MORE lessons...from someone else); VorGuy (he wears what I sew him and has made sure that I have an embroidery machine, the software upgrade for it, the supplies to learn how to use it, and when I take four-to-six days to embroider fifty or sixty or so polo shirts for him & his class, is also in charge of getting together supper those nights - or pays for take out); VorSon (although a couple of his projects are Unfinished Objects due to my schedule conflicts - like the "six months of rest" prescribed by a doctor a few years ago that an injury turned into "not rested enough yet"): Ambrosia Hino (aka DD) & her husband; and of course the DGS! 

But random strangers or even coworkers (back when I did have a job outside the home)?  Not usually high enough on the hierarchy unless they've PAID to be added. 

I got paid $20 ONCE to redo a tapestry pillow - when she saw the finished project, I got paid $25 (recut it to make it look more "square" when stuffed instead of cut square & going four pointed star shaped as it got stuffed, washed it, serged the cut edges to keep them from raveling out, and cut the new back from a remnant of her upholstery fabric so it "matched" her couch).  She'd been an interior designer and appreciated the work it took to get "the right look" even if she couldn't do it herself. 
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 26, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
One of my dearest friends also makes jewelry, but her interests are completely different than mine. She can't do the beadweaving I do, and I can't do the wire work she does. It works out well, as we swap gifts at Christmas/Yule and our birthdays.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Miss Misery on June 26, 2013, 12:05:56 PM
Wow, Miss Misery, are those samples of your work?  They're amazing!!!

Yup those are mine.  ;D

(http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/232/7/e/majestic_by_miss_misery1313-d5bse49.jpg)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: alkira6 on June 26, 2013, 12:45:30 PM
I don't know why I forgot about this, probably because I blocked it out.

Years ago, when I was in my 20s, healthy and hearty and young, my sister tried to talk me into HAVING A BABY for a young couple in her church, who couldn't have children of their own.
[for the record, we come from excellent baby-making stock]
I had no objections to that part of it, but I wanted money for it, for the doctor's bills, and for the 'rental' of my body for nine months!  (I was dirt poor at the time and struggling)  She thought I was horrible and should do it for free. 

Why didn't she do it?  She was still a minor. 

Yeah. That didn't happen.

You win.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: LadyClaire on June 26, 2013, 12:57:00 PM
Wow. Having a baby for someone is like the ultimate "hey, will you do this for free?" request. That's insane. Absolutely insane.
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Post by: random numbers on June 26, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
I don't know why I forgot about this, probably because I blocked it out.

Years ago, when I was in my 20s, healthy and hearty and young, my sister tried to talk me into HAVING A BABY for a young couple in her church, who couldn't have children of their own.
[for the record, we come from excellent baby-making stock]
I had no objections to that part of it, but I wanted money for it, for the doctor's bills, and for the 'rental' of my body for nine months!  (I was dirt poor at the time and struggling)  She thought I was horrible and should do it for free. 

Why didn't she do it?  She was still a minor. 

Yeah. That didn't happen.

I think that won the thread. And broke my brain a bit.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: LadyClaire on June 26, 2013, 01:05:45 PM
I scolded my husband once for volunteering me to fix broken jewelry for his co-workers. He brought home a bag of loose beads once and said "My boss broke her necklace. Can you re-string it and stuff?"

No clasp, of course. Some beads missing. I said "Sure, did she send the money to fix it, too?"

DH looks uncomfortable. "Well....no...I didn't ask for any. I figured since it was for my boss and all, you could fix it as a favor.."

I made him pay me for the supplies I had to use to fix the necklace, and told him that under no circumstances is he to ever volunteer me to fix something for free again. I don't care if it's for his boss or not. I also told him that he's not to just bring me a bag of loose beads after having told someone I'd fix their jewelry. He can tell someone that he will check with me to see if I'm available to fix their broken whatever, but don't assume I have the time or willingness to do it.
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Post by: nuit93 on June 26, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
I don't know why I forgot about this, probably because I blocked it out.

Years ago, when I was in my 20s, healthy and hearty and young, my sister tried to talk me into HAVING A BABY for a young couple in her church, who couldn't have children of their own.
[for the record, we come from excellent baby-making stock]
I had no objections to that part of it, but I wanted money for it, for the doctor's bills, and for the 'rental' of my body for nine months!  (I was dirt poor at the time and struggling)  She thought I was horrible and should do it for free. 

Why didn't she do it?  She was still a minor. 

Yeah. That didn't happen.

Yep, you win.

Considering there are women who can make well into five figures per pregnancy for being willing to rent out their wombs, I'd say you were well within your rights to ask for compensation. 

Heck, there was a time when I would have done it.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: jedikaiti on June 26, 2013, 01:21:59 PM
I don't know why I forgot about this, probably because I blocked it out.

Years ago, when I was in my 20s, healthy and hearty and young, my sister tried to talk me into HAVING A BABY for a young couple in her church, who couldn't have children of their own.
[for the record, we come from excellent baby-making stock]
I had no objections to that part of it, but I wanted money for it, for the doctor's bills, and for the 'rental' of my body for nine months!  (I was dirt poor at the time and struggling)  She thought I was horrible and should do it for free. 

Why didn't she do it?  She was still a minor. 

Yeah. That didn't happen.

Congratulations, here's your internet.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 26, 2013, 01:29:36 PM
I am to the point where any time to craft is luxury, so I spend that time doing what I want.

I used to make jewelry for female family members, but after my mom broke her third piece in a row because she couldn't leave it be and kept tugging on the ends to make them lay right  :o, I no longer make jewelry gifts for anyone but one friend. I make pieces on commission, but only during my 7 weeks out of school per year.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Hillia on June 26, 2013, 01:36:35 PM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.   
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Post by: LadyClaire on June 26, 2013, 01:38:15 PM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.

No. I honestly expect people to back down when I quote them a price, based on past experience. It's kind of a nice surprise when someone actually agrees to it.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jocelyn on June 26, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.
I would not be offended. I know that a lot of people may innocently underestimate the cost of materials and the number of hours. So long as they didn't imply that the work wasn't worth it.  I mean, if you say you can't afford it right now, there's always the possibility that you could afford it in the future. :) And how could I take it personally that you'd rather pay your utilities bill? ;D
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 26, 2013, 01:55:11 PM
I would not be offended, people underestimate the costs of all my crafts, with jewelry especially as metal and precious stone prices change daily. With cakes, it is an hour or two to bake it, then an hour to start decorating plus any additional embellishment. I would prefer to be turned down rather than have someone back out when I have invested $$ and time in a project.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Lynn2000 on June 26, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.

I think that would be a perfectly polite interaction (bearing in mind tone, exact wording, etc.). I think the offense comes when someone draws back in horror at the suggested price and then says/implies that the work isn't actually worth that and the crafter must be inflating numbers, and says that their daughter's babysitter's mom's dog-walker could do it for less--or Wal-Mart.  ::)

I think the cycle of homemade vs. commercial products is really interesting. At one point it was the norm to make everything yourself, and only wealthy people could afford to have something that was manufactured--a "store-bought" dress instead of the one Mom made for you. Then it switched to where manufactured goods were cheaper, and the homemade things were expensive luxuries. Yet when I was a kid, even though manufactured goods were actually quite cheap, it was for some reason considered "low class" if your mom made your clothes, so people had the perception that homemade was done to save money, I guess.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Elfmama on June 26, 2013, 02:04:29 PM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.
It would depend on your tone of voice, I think. (Assuming face-to-face interaction.)  If I felt that you were trying to wheedle me down to substantially less than that, I might be offended. 

Online, no.  I've done just that scenario.  Someone wanted a quilt for a California king bed and inquired if I'd take a commission.  After he got told that the fabric would cost $X and the batting would be $Y, so the total for just supplies would be $Z, he apologized and said that it was more than he was thinking of.


I think that would be a perfectly polite interaction (bearing in mind tone, exact wording, etc.). I think the offense comes when someone draws back in horror at the suggested price and then says/implies that the work isn't actually worth that and the crafter must be inflating numbers, and says that their daughter's babysitter's mom's dog-walker could do it for less--or Wal-Mart.  ::)
Exactly.  "You want HOW MUCH for a quilt?  I can buy one at Walmart for $30!"  Well, yes, you can.  Some woman in China was probably grateful to get $.25 an hour for her work.   But it won't be appliqued in the patterns that you want, with the fabrics that you choose.

I see lovely quilts at the Amish Market in Annapolis.   And I think that $800 is too little for their work.
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Post by: Outdoor Girl on June 26, 2013, 02:07:34 PM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.

Wouldn't bother me at all.  You aren't saying that my work isn't worth that much; you are just telling me that it was more than you thought it would be and it isn't in the budget.
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Post by: Free Range Hippy Chick on June 26, 2013, 02:15:49 PM
I got around that one once by saying sadly 'yes, I was afraid it would be more than I could afford, but it's so beautiful that I had to ask,' and honour was satisfied on both sides.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Hillia on June 26, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
I got around that one once by saying sadly 'yes, I was afraid it would be more than I could afford, but it's so beautiful that I had to ask,' and honour was satisfied on both sides.

What a lovely example of tact!
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Post by: Amara on June 26, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
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I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.


I'd be flattered that you were interested in my work, and I'd appreciate the fact that you respected my work enough to realize its worth. (You can always save up for it. :))
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on June 26, 2013, 02:36:27 PM
I'm glad to hear all you crafters say that since there are a couple of people who a. I know do different things and b. charge for them, but was afraid to ask knowing that it might be more than i could afford to pay.  One is a HS classmate who is a fantastic artist. I think she's done b&w sketches (not sure if that's the right term or not) from photos, and I have a photo of my dad I would LOVE to have done for my mom.

But I'm afraid she might charge more than I can afford and then I'd be embarassed to say sorry, i can't do it. 
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Post by: Peregrine on June 26, 2013, 03:36:22 PM
BTDT....I have been sewing since I was 5 years old.  I also have spent a lot of time working retail jobs in fabric stores.  I have a degree in urban planning and environmental law, but enjoy the more creative work and chance to indulge my hobbies while I'm actually earning some money, plus it's a job that I can drift in and out of since my DH's job takes us on frequent long term travel. 

I have had more people try to commission me to do sewing work.....The one that took the cake was the lady who came in with a picture of a Giorgio Armani (tailored and embellished) coat and wanted someone to make a knockoff of it for her.  I kept a stack of business cards on hand of local seamstresses who did that kind of work, and upon receiving the card, said that she had already checked with the person and they wanted too much for the work.  Out of curiosity I asked what the price quote was ($500 including materials) and was quite pleasantly surprised at the reasonableness. 

The customer then asked what I would charge I told her materials alone were likely to run a couple hundred, and my hourly rates....she was not amused and told me that I should be happy to make it for her at cost, since it would be free advertising for my employer.  :o  When I declined she implied that a little nobody like me couldn't possibly have anything else going for me in my life but my skills at sewing, so I should be honored.   My boss informed the twit of my educational background as well as my credentials in sewing and tailoring and that the customer would be better off taking her business elsewhere.  (the woman had been a long term problem customer)
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Post by: TeamBhakta on June 26, 2013, 03:52:48 PM
I'm reminded of the old letter to Ann Landers about "I called my nephew over in the middle of the night, since he's a brand new doctor. He had the gall to send me a bill later! He should be thankful for the free practice experience we're providing him."
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jules1980 on June 26, 2013, 04:31:26 PM
My DH has become the computer fix-it for our family.  Especially for the teens who seem to get viruses on their laptops every week. :p  He usually does it, but there are some ground rules.  First of all, he has a full time job, we have a 4 year old and a 4 month old, we are both active in volunteer oppurtunites, and when he isn't working, I usually am, so don't count on it being a fast job.  You get it back when you get it back.  Don't try to get him to diagnose the problem at a family event,  especially without said computer to even look at.  Yes, there really are 100 reason why you are getting the black screen of death and most are dealt with differently, and he wants to enjoy his daughter recital, baby shower, etc.  Also, he is not an expert, so don't get mad if the problem is something that isn't within his expertise. Finally, first time is free after that you pay something.  Now, with that said, he doesn't mean money.  Most of these are teens.  One babysat for us to go to a movie.  Another did DD's make up for recital.  Doesn't sound like much, but I don't wear make up at all and only have a few tubes of lip gloss around the house.  So that saved us either having buy make up or hiring someone to do a makeover for her cause I can't put make up on myself much less a squirming 4 year old.

For me personally, I write.  It helps relax me to play in my fantasy worlds for a while.  It's mostly fanfiction which leads to the inevitable, 'I see you write 'fill in blank' fiction.  Write this story for me.' emails.  Now, I can't write on demand, even for myself.  When I try the write something everyday challenges, I get writer's block faster than you can say 'writer's block.'  So, I can only write what I want, when I want and it's all over the place.  I have fics under Fast and Furious, Grimm, Once Upon a Time, and even older shows like Dr. Quinn and Bonanza.  So, my interest are all over the place.  Usually, people take thanks but no thanks nicely but I did have one berate me for writing for another fandom when I should have been jumping through hoops to write theirs.  I used to offer to collaborate but now I don't have time.  Oh well. 

Finally, to those who decorate cakes, I would love to do that.  I admire that skill.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: mime on June 26, 2013, 04:33:21 PM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.

I wouldn't be offended at all. I even have to admit that when I look at my personal expenses each month and know how much chocolate I made, I still get surprised when I see how much $$$ it cost me per pound (not even considering the time). I sure couldn't blame someone else for being surprised.

Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jocelyn on June 26, 2013, 06:47:33 PM
  Yet when I was a kid, even though manufactured goods were actually quite cheap, it was for some reason considered "low class" if your mom made your clothes, so people had the perception that homemade was done to save money, I guess.

A properly made garment is not obviously homemade. So if someone could look at your outfit and know it was homemade, it was either poorly made, or poorly fitted. If a mom wasn't a good seamstress and she had plenty of money, she probably just didn't sew; a mom who was a good seamstress and had plenty of money could throw out any garment that turned out badly.  My mother was a clothing construction major in college, and in the early 1970s she had a grant from the state to teach sewing to girls whose families received some sort of state aid. It was part of an enrichment summer school program, with the class open to any girl who wanted to take it. The idea was that the girls could learn to sew for themselves and their families, and save money. Of course now, it's far cheaper to purchase clothing than make it.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jones on June 26, 2013, 07:02:43 PM
Not a craft, but a share nonetheless. My sister and her husband started a business a while back; Sister was to take care of the books. Apparently she had problems with the accounting software they selected. Mom decided I would be the perfect person to teach her how to use it. First I heard was a casual question from Mom, "did Sister ever call you? Were you able to help?"

Once she explained to me what I was supposed to help with, I said no, Sister had never called me. Later I pulled Sister aside and mentioned there was a class on that software at the technical college, but I had no personal experience with it (4 other accounting systems, but not that). She said all right, and thanked me for offering. No one has brought up her bookkeeping again so I guess they figured it out somehow.
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Post by: MommyPenguin on June 26, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the change in cost of homemade versus store-bought was the cost of materials.  My mom quilts, and those lovely fabrics cost something like $10 yard or more.  But way back when, you used fabrics cut from clothing, curtains, etc., all the little scraps you could get from cutting around holes and stains.  So in those days the fabric was "free" in a sense.  And I know some clothing fabric was bought new, but there are also various stories of buying feed-bags and using the bag to make a dress.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Jocelyn on June 26, 2013, 09:20:51 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the change in cost of homemade versus store-bought was the cost of materials.  My mom quilts, and those lovely fabrics cost something like $10 yard or more.  But way back when, you used fabrics cut from clothing, curtains, etc., all the little scraps you could get from cutting around holes and stains.  So in those days the fabric was "free" in a sense.  And I know some clothing fabric was bought new, but there are also various stories of buying feed-bags and using the bag to make a dress.
My mom is 92- she tells me her mother never used anything but new fabric for quilting. The new fabric was most likely scraps from making clothing, or feed sacks, but apparently my grandmother's opinion was that it wasn't economical to use even slightly worn fabric, as you'd have parts of the quilt wearing out more quickly. The family lived in rural Mississippi, and were about as poor as most families there in the Depression. My grandmother also bought bags of scraps from Sears- apparently Sears bagged up the leftovers after they'd cut out the ready-to-wear clothing, and sold them to quilters. Mom said one time the pieces were big triangles, so my GM worked out a new pattern to use them uncut.
I have a few of the tops my mother pieced as a girl for her hopechest...but never quilted. My GM had packed them away because they needed the backings and batting for quilts to be used right away by the family, and by the time my mother married, prosperity had arrived and she wanted modern blankets in her home, not those old quilts...
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Post by: Elfmama on June 26, 2013, 09:35:24 PM
My DH has become the computer fix-it for our family.  Especially for the teens who seem to get viruses on their laptops every week. :p
EvilMama would say to have him gibbs-smack them and tell them to stay off porn sites.

A certain grandson of mine managed to infect his parents' desktop PC AND a laptop with such tenacious viruses that they had to be replaced.  Yep, porn. ::)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Elfmama on June 26, 2013, 09:42:03 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the change in cost of homemade versus store-bought was the cost of materials.  My mom quilts, and those lovely fabrics cost something like $10 yard or more.  But way back when, you used fabrics cut from clothing, curtains, etc., all the little scraps you could get from cutting around holes and stains.  So in those days the fabric was "free" in a sense.  And I know some clothing fabric was bought new, but there are also various stories of buying feed-bags and using the bag to make a dress.
And that's what I don't get about quilters who go gaga for either vintage feedbag fabric or replicas.  It doesn't say 'fun!' and 'cheerful!' to me -- it says 'so far down on the poverty ladder that you can't afford 5 cents for a yard of new fabric.'
My mom is 92- she tells me her mother never used anything but new fabric for quilting. The new fabric was most likely scraps from making clothing, or feed sacks, but apparently my grandmother's opinion was that it wasn't economical to use even slightly worn fabric, as you'd have parts of the quilt wearing out more quickly. 
You might shred worn-out clothes and use them as your batting, though.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: *inviteseller on June 26, 2013, 10:00:25 PM
I would not be offended if someone asked me what it would cost to knit X for them, and then after a quote, which I feel is reasonable, says that it was more than they expected but thanks.  What grinds my gears are the twits who say "knit me this", shoving a pattern at me and when I say they need to pay for the yarn (I help them pick it) and for my time $20-$50 depending on project) and they are shocked, shocked I say that I will not just use my own personal stash and be honored to knit it for them.  Heck, I will even barter something, but hey, they want it, I have the skill so I should just be happy they want me to do it for them.  >:(
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Post by: Jules1980 on June 26, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
My DH has become the computer fix-it for our family.  Especially for the teens who seem to get viruses on their laptops every week. :p
EvilMama would say to have him gibbs-smack them and tell them to stay off porn sites.

A certain grandson of mine managed to infect his parents' desktop PC AND a laptop with such tenacious viruses that they had to be replaced.  Yep, porn. ::)

Well, since its girls he'd be too embarassed to say that.  He'd just be happy if they would learn that the  'oh no, your computer has been infect with a virus, we can help' pop-up was the virus and not click on it.
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Post by: Jocelyn on June 26, 2013, 10:20:54 PM

My mom is 92- she tells me her mother never used anything but new fabric for quilting. The new fabric was most likely scraps from making clothing, or feed sacks, but apparently my grandmother's opinion was that it wasn't economical to use even slightly worn fabric, as you'd have parts of the quilt wearing out more quickly. 
You might shred worn-out clothes and use them as your batting, though.
Perhaps some did...but my grandfather raised cotton so my grandmother made her own batts. :)
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Post by: zyrs on June 26, 2013, 10:42:42 PM
When I was a kid I remember my mom spent months making clothing for my sister's Barbie dolls.  For Christmas, one of their presents was a one foot deep, 3 feet square box packed full of little designer outfits.  Mom had copied outfits out of every fashion magazine, there were even little mink Hand Warmers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muff_%28handwarmer%29) and stoles.  There were easily over a hundred separate outfits.

The lady across the street became very upset that my sisters had things that her daughter didn't have and told my mother that she expected mom to make twice as many clothes for her daughter for free.  Mom laughed.


edit - changed to Hand Warmers
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 27, 2013, 08:05:45 AM
I just purchased a new 8" square cake pan with no welds, so the corners are perfectly straight. Square cakes can be very difficult to decorate. I will be making a cake in it this weekend for DS. I'll post any pictures here.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: stitchygreyanonymouse on June 27, 2013, 08:38:49 AM
My SO’s mother strikes again: she wants me to repair a blanket for her, for free, of course, on her time table. I wasn't around when she asked SO if I could do it, but evidently "I don't know if she can, why don't you ask her next time we're over; I’ll warn you that she probably won't have time, since we're moving," wasn't acceptable to her—she wanted him to bring it to our house, you know, the place that we're packing up and moving out of and trying to remove things from.

No is pretty easy for me in this case, since my machine is going to the shop today to get pampered before I move somewhere with no good shops for my machine type, but still. I also mentioned that she owns a sewing machine and does know how to use it, right?

So, not only do we have "it’s not like it’s work!", it’s also another chapter in the narcissistic "you can't move, because we neeeeeeed you" saga.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Outdoor Girl on June 27, 2013, 08:50:03 AM
Reminds me of a request that was definitely not a freebie - a good story, if you will.

One of my coworkers asked me if I thought I could repair an afghan of her husband's that his blind grandmother (now gone) had knit for him.  I told her that I'd have a look and see what I could do.  She offered to pay me and I told her we'd talk about it once I saw how much work it would be.

This afghan was not the most appealing looking thing with the colour combinations but it turned out most of the repair needed to be done on seams - just sewing them back up.  There were a few spots where the yarn had split and there were holes so I just used a modified sock darning technique with a somewhat matching yarn and patched the holes.  Considering its less than appealing appearance, I wasn't hugely worried about exact matches.  Its value was sentimental.

When I brought it back to her, I explained that it was pretty fragile; wash it once, gently, and then keep it somewhere where it wouldn't get too dirty, to need a lot of washing.  She was so grateful and wanted to pay me.  I suggested that she take me out to lunch one day, instead.  So we went to our favourite all you can eat sushi place and pigged out.   ;D
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: z_squared82 on June 27, 2013, 08:53:02 AM
I just purchased a new 8" square cake pan with no welds, so the corners are perfectly straight. Square cakes can be very difficult to decorate. I will be making a cake in it this weekend for DS. I'll post any pictures here.

Square cakes and black icing. I only know b/c my mother's friend's daughter (follow that?) demanded her brother, the culinary *student* make her a three-tier, square wedding cake, with black fondant. To match the bridesmaid's dresses of course. And for free, of course (although mom's friend probably paid for the ingredients).

I saw the outcome. It looked exactly like a student did it. You really do get what you pay for. I hope it tasted good and that the bride didn't express her displeasure ever, period.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: ladyknight1 on June 27, 2013, 08:56:28 AM
My son, who is a Boy Scout, plans to earn his Eagle Scout rank in the next year, which is a very big deal. I am going to make the cake for his ceremony, and I am trying to prepare for it by lots of practice and slowly buying the pans I will need.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Shalamar on June 27, 2013, 09:09:19 AM
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For Christmas, one of their presents was a one foot deep, 3 feet square box packed full of little designer outfits. 

Oh my goodness, what a wonderful present, and how talented your mum must be!  I'd love to see pictures.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: zyrs on June 27, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
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For Christmas, one of their presents was a one foot deep, 3 feet square box packed full of little designer outfits. 

Oh my goodness, what a wonderful present, and how talented your mum must be!  I'd love to see pictures.

I wish I had some - it's been about 44 years now.  I will write and see if either sister has any of them left.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: snowflake on June 27, 2013, 10:38:22 AM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.

I wouldn't be offended by this exchange.  Though it rarely happens like this.  Most of the time I am explaining that the opportunity cost for me is too much.  I knit on the bus or at conferences.  I can manage to make a few cute items for my kids and myself with that time.  If I knit other times, that means something isn't getting done: work, I'm not spending time with my kids, I'm not cleaning my house that sorely needs it, etc. 

"Your work isn't worth that." stings a little bit.

"You should be glad to make a low wage" Is annoying because- Hello? Do they think I've been working at McDonalds for the past 20 years?

"You should blow off your kids for my whims."  Yeah, don't got there.  It's beyond rude. It's treating me like a machine without a life.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: snowfire on June 27, 2013, 11:10:26 AM
I bow down to your mother, zyrs.  Barbie clothes are so tiny and fiddly to make, the whole idea of doing that many....WOW!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: TootsNYC on June 27, 2013, 11:30:51 AM
I bow down to your mother, zyrs.  Barbie clothes are so tiny and fiddly to make, the whole idea of doing that many....WOW!

But they go fast!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Slartibartfast on June 27, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
I have a question for the crafters: Suppose I were to approach you and ask, 'Would you be interested in doing <commission>?  What would you charge?'  And after hearing the charge, I said, 'Oh my, I had no idea...I'm afraid I can't afford this right now'.  Would you be offended by this exchange? I'm not saying that your time and skill aren't worth the price, more that I didn't know what that price was and now that I know, it's just out of my budget.

Not offended, and I may even follow it up with some suggestions for similar things I could do for less.  (Although my jewelry making is a higher ratio of materials cost to time than some of the other crafts listed here, so that may not hold for more time-intensive work.)  Usually it comes down to speed, color, and price for me - pick two.  I can make the exact color necklace you want relatively quickly if I buy the (more expensive) beads at the local shops, or I can make it more cheaply if you don't mind waiting a few weeks for me to order online and get the same beads shipped from China for a third of the cost, or I can make you something with the beads I have on hand but it might not be the exact shade you expected.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Hillia on June 27, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
I bow down to your mother, zyrs.  Barbie clothes are so tiny and fiddly to make, the whole idea of doing that many....WOW!

But they go fast!

One Christmas my mom made not only Barbie clothes, but a few outfits for Chrissie and Kerry dolls (remember those?  They had long hair that could be retracted into the top of their heads or pulled out to various lengths).  What makes it so impressive is that my mom couldn't sew.  My grandmother could, and beautifully, but my mom never had the knack - so those tiny doll outfits were quite an accomplishment for her.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Redneck Gravy on June 27, 2013, 11:40:43 AM
my skill is not a craft - but it isn't FREE either...

"Can you look at my tax return, I think my CPA made a mistake..." 
I sure can, I will need all of your original documents and it might cost about xx dollars for me to put it all together to check their work.  Why don't you just go see them and have them explain it to you, since you've already paid them to do it?

"Can you take a look at my financials, I think my bookkeeper is posting some stuff to the wrong places..."
I sure can, I will schedule an appointment to come to your office, visit with your bookkeeper and look over some random documents - just like an audit.  I charge xx dollars per hour, sometimes it can take all day if something looks amiss to me.  Let me get my calendar, what day might be good for you?
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: jedikaiti on June 27, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
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For Christmas, one of their presents was a one foot deep, 3 feet square box packed full of little designer outfits. 

Oh my goodness, what a wonderful present, and how talented your mum must be!  I'd love to see pictures.

That is awesome!

I remember one time for a birthday or Christmas, I got a box of knitted Barbie doll outfits (and a couple of Barbie knock-off dolls) from someone I'd never heard of - turns out my Mom's old scout leader, a woman I'd never met, had made them all.

I love to knit, but I can't imagine trying to make all those little outfits, but then again, I am the World's Slowest Knitter.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: z_squared82 on June 27, 2013, 01:21:02 PM
My son, who is a Boy Scout, plans to earn his Eagle Scout rank in the next year, which is a very big deal. I am going to make the cake for his ceremony, and I am trying to prepare for it by lots of practice and slowly buying the pans I will need.

That is a very big deal, good luck and congrats to your son.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: PastryGoddess on June 27, 2013, 01:25:22 PM
I just purchased a new 8" square cake pan with no welds, so the corners are perfectly straight. Square cakes can be very difficult to decorate. I will be making a cake in it this weekend for DS. I'll post any pictures here.

As a tip, use 2 cake layers so that your square cake is really tall.  I make mine 4 in tall with 3 layers of cake and 2 layers of filling.  It really gives it a more commanding presence.  If the corners start driving you crazy, fondant or ganache are great for covering the cake.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: jedikaiti on June 27, 2013, 01:29:42 PM
DH & I went to a party and one of the hosts was very excitedly telling me about a crochet pattern for a mantis shrimp he stumbled upon online and offering to pay me if I would make him one.

I generally knit, rather than crochet, but would like to learn to actually crochet. I think this might be a fun project.

I warned him, though, it'll take a while. I've got some other projects that need doing first, and I am the World's Slowest Knitter.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: POF on June 27, 2013, 01:37:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the change in cost of homemade versus store-bought was the cost of materials.  My mom quilts, and those lovely fabrics cost something like $10 yard or more.  But way back when, you used fabrics cut from clothing, curtains, etc., all the little scraps you could get from cutting around holes and stains.  So in those days the fabric was "free" in a sense.  And I know some clothing fabric was bought new, but there are also various stories of buying feed-bags and using the bag to make a dress.

I have several feed bag backed quilts from my grandmother.  My mother grew up quite poor in Appalachia and tells me that they loved getting the feed sack calico. It was quite pretty and could be made into a blouse or skirt.  End pices were put together to back quilts.  My grandmother also made hooked rag rugs. These were old fabrics that she tore into long strips and crocheted with a big fat wooden hook ( that my grandad made her ).

Her rugs were absolutely beautiful and the only cost in them was her time. She had saved up old work pants from Grandad in Blues, Greys and tans that made a stunning rug - but my favorites were the bits and pieces.

Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: VorFemme on June 27, 2013, 02:59:23 PM
My DH has become the computer fix-it for our family.  Especially for the teens who seem to get viruses on their laptops every week. :p
EvilMama would say to have him gibbs-smack them and tell them to stay off porn sites.

A certain grandson of mine managed to infect his parents' desktop PC AND a laptop with such tenacious viruses that they had to be replaced.  Yep, porn. ::)

Some game sites can be pretty bad, too. 

But I learned to run the factory image recovery and format the hard drive as step one when I had a house guest download first porn, then hundreds of "free games" to the desktop computer that I used to work nights from home (used computer at work for my PT job - used home computer for evening shift, as there was no one else for about three months - they were combining two departments in three months and didn't want to spend the time & effort to train someone else for just 12 weeks).

I had to get the install disks from the IT department to set up my computer for working at home again - but that was safer than using an infected computer with really nasty stuff on it (porn, malware, or whatever she had gotten in the downloads). 

I made the mistake of trying to clean it by deleting one photo at a time...after the third or fourth really nasty photo - I grabbed the recovery disk pack and got started on restoring my computer's virgin "fresh from the factory" status - as I had already backed up the photos & most files earlier.

I should have learned to take back up images back then....it would have simplified things - but I had a 10 gb hard drive, a 256 mb flash drive, a 3.5" floppy drive, not enough floppies in the house, and no DVD burner - just a CD player.  I'm trying to remember if CDs could be burned at home way back when in 2001....

I did learn to set up a guest account with extremely limited privileges - none of which involved downloading ANYTHING.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Elfmama on June 27, 2013, 08:45:09 PM

I have several feed bag backed quilts from my grandmother.  My mother grew up quite poor in Appalachia and tells me that they loved getting the feed sack calico. It was quite pretty and could be made into a blouse or skirt.
Oklahoma, for my dad.  He went all one school year wearing just overalls, rather than wear a flowered feedsack blouse handed down from his older sister.   :(
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: lady_disdain on June 27, 2013, 09:57:56 PM
  • Asking for lessons: I make chocolate from the beans. Nobody has asked for lessons, but I think I would welcome it! I'd love for a batch to become a two-person job (the mixer is pretty heavy), and I'd like to share the hobby with someone else. Unfortunately if I had to say "pack a bag, come over on Friday evening, and we'll be done sometime Sunday night" I think they'd be scared off. That time commitment could be a really good deterrent if you want to discourage someone from asking, though.

If I were anywhere near you, I would take you up on that offer so fast! That sounds like an amazing activity. Would you mind sharing some of the process or good links? I am curious![/list]
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: amandaelizabeth on June 27, 2013, 10:54:47 PM
I knit Aran sweaters.  Mainly just for family as we have our own pattern.  However my mother's best friend - mentioned in a previous thread  http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=91621.msg2222244#msg2222244- asked me to make her one.  At the time we had a small baby and only one income, so money was very short.  I explained that I could not afford to buy the wool.  so she could either buy the wool herself  to my specifications or I would buy the wool as I could afford it and then knit it up.  She wanted me to buy the wool, so that's what I did.  It took quite a long time to purchase all the balls, but I spent the time designing a pattern for her and working it out.  She would ask how her jumper was coming along, and I would tell her how many balls left to go.  Eventually I finished which took about three months.  She took the jumper and aid she would not pay me for either the wool or the time, as I had taken so long!
My Mother eventually said she would collect the money and paid it to me, but I found out afterwards, it was not from her friend but out of her own pocket.
I now only knit for family.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: gmatoy on June 27, 2013, 11:59:42 PM
I decorate cakes for family and friends. I. DO. NOT. MAKE. WEDDING. CAKES! Too labor intensive and if it doesn't turn out, there is no redo! That said, I did once make a wedding cake for a neighbor's daughter. The story follows:

We had the nicest neighbors and they had 9 grown children. Each one as nice as the parents. So, one day I went over to visit and found the house at sixes and sevens (in an uproar) and I asked what was going on. Well, one of the daughters was getting married at the house, in the afternoon. I asked to see the wedding cake and was told that there was not enough time or money, so no cake. I said I understood, went home and made a small wedding cake for them.

They were blown away and couldn't say enough nice things. But, 1. They didn't ask and 2. If it failed, I just wouldn't have said anything and 3. I told them that if they told any of the other neighbors about it, I would make their lives miserable! >:D  (Because another neighbor hounded me to make a birthday cake for her friend. And wouldn't take no as an answer.)

Until the parents died, no one ever talked about it. After the mother's death, one of the daughters told her aunt that I had made her cake.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Cami on June 28, 2013, 12:18:21 PM
Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: stitchygreyanonymouse on June 28, 2013, 12:43:43 PM
Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: otterwoman on June 28, 2013, 12:44:47 PM
Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

Whereas, I had a friend who had the opposite problem. She quilted for a living. She HATED with a passion Double Wedding Band quilts. She wanted people to stop asking for them, so every time she was asked, she'd raise the price. She was up to $1100, this was 20 years ago, and people still ordered them.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: Pioneer on June 28, 2013, 12:49:37 PM
Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.

Forgive me for getting a bit off-topic, but I love this thread and secretly want to see updates.

Years ago a club in which we were active had an annual Event.  Each family was required to donate one pie.  Many of us did not have the time or skill required, so went to a bakery or Perkins and spent $12.00.  The club officer cut each donated pie into 8 slices which were sold for $1.00 each, (often to ourselves,) and the club had an $8.00 profit from each donated pie!  Hurray!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: nuit93 on June 28, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

Whereas, I had a friend who had the opposite problem. She quilted for a living. She HATED with a passion Double Wedding Band quilts. She wanted people to stop asking for them, so every time she was asked, she'd raise the price. She was up to $1100, this was 20 years ago, and people still ordered them.

I know how much work those can be (curved seams...blech).  I don't blame your friend!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: mechtilde on June 28, 2013, 01:06:32 PM
My son, who is a Boy Scout, plans to earn his Eagle Scout rank in the next year, which is a very big deal. I am going to make the cake for his ceremony, and I am trying to prepare for it by lots of practice and slowly buying the pans I will need.

Do you have a cake decorating shop or similar near you? Some of them will rent out pans.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: o_gal on June 28, 2013, 01:10:13 PM
This is not a craft skill but it will take time, energy, and work. And all for that lovely "but you'll get free publicity for your sport!"

Our orienteering club has been asked by another organization to put on a small event/course in about 2 months as part of Other Event. Other Event (OE) is doing something focusing on various outdoor activities and doing healthy stuff outdoors. Problem #1 - there is no map for this venue, so we would have to find the time for DH to go out and map the venue. Problem #2 - it's at a bad time for finding volunteers to help. Problem #3 is the one that will determine whether we do this or not.

We are required to send a set amount of money to the governing body (US) for the sport, in order for participants to be covered under insurance. Since our sport requires walking/running through areas that can potentially be dangerous (rocky soil, uneven ground, streams, pits, cliffs, karst, etc.) we have to have insurance. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. So we have to pay that, it's not optional.

The other costs could actually be minimized enough to not charge for entry - we probably have enough map paper and punch cards (no e-punch for this event) in stock. So conceivably we could do this for "free". After all, according to the organizers of OE, it would be such great! free! publicity! for us. However, they would also have to cover us under THEIR insurance, or we will have to turn them down. I can't wait to hear the report after DH calls them to ask, how oh noes! they couldn't possibly carry us too - can't we still just fork over money from the club treasury to governing body so that we can still not charge anything? After all, given that we only have our own web site, presence on governing body's web site, we advertise on all the local running and active sports websites, and we get publicity from the local metroparks, we couldn't possibly pass up this golden! opportunity! for! free! publicity!  ::)
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: cwm on June 28, 2013, 01:11:46 PM
My son, who is a Boy Scout, plans to earn his Eagle Scout rank in the next year, which is a very big deal. I am going to make the cake for his ceremony, and I am trying to prepare for it by lots of practice and slowly buying the pans I will need.

Do you have a cake decorating shop or similar near you? Some of them will rent out pans.

Some libraries rent out cake pans as well.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: weeblewobble on June 28, 2013, 01:21:42 PM

I write. Not surprisingly, I get asked (more accurately, it's assumed) to write for free because "after all, you like to write so it's not like it's work for you." Closely related to that is the "you like to read so you can edit my book (note: for "royalties")," followed by "you can review my book on Amazon!" Ugh. I also love the "I have this great idea for a book! I'll tell it to you, you write it, and we'll make lots of money!"



It's like we're living the same life.  I'm a professional writer. If I don't meet my deadlines, I don't get paid. Somehow, people do not grasp that if I'm writing, editing or reviewing their work, I'm not doing MY work. and yet, I get all sorts of people telling me, "Oh, I just need you to 'put together' this press release/detailed family history/master's thesis for me." Because "put together" sounds so much easier than, "spend a number of hours ignoring your own work to do my work for me."  Or I am asked to "edit" something, which means cobble together a non-sensical document comprised of patches of text into a coherent flowing work.  And no, I shouldn't want to be paid for this work, because I make SO MUCH money writing my own pieces, right? (HA! Wait, just one more... HA!!)

Unfortunately, I'm also a bit crafty (jewelry making, baking, decorative sewing).  I can't tell you how many times I have been asked, "So when are you going to make ME a time-consuming necklace made of sterling silver and expensive semi-precious stones/extremely involved embroidery piece/fancy decorate cake involving several obscure, expensive ingredients?"  And of course, they don't plan on PAYING for those ingredients or materials, because they're a friend!  They want the friend discount!  Which is "free," of course!

I have gotten really good at saying no.
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: snowflake on June 28, 2013, 01:28:40 PM
I knit Aran sweaters.  Mainly just for family as we have our own pattern.  However my mother's best friend - mentioned in a previous thread  http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=91621.msg2222244#msg2222244- asked me to make her one.  At the time we had a small baby and only one income, so money was very short.  I explained that I could not afford to buy the wool.  so she could either buy the wool herself  to my specifications or I would buy the wool as I could afford it and then knit it up.  She wanted me to buy the wool, so that's what I did.  It took quite a long time to purchase all the balls, but I spent the time designing a pattern for her and working it out.  She would ask how her jumper was coming along, and I would tell her how many balls left to go.  Eventually I finished which took about three months.  She took the jumper and aid she would not pay me for either the wool or the time, as I had taken so long!
My Mother eventually said she would collect the money and paid it to me, but I found out afterwards, it was not from her friend but out of her own pocket.
I now only knit for family.

Um, yeah.  Sweater making is just like delivering a pizza!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: mechtilde on June 28, 2013, 01:29:03 PM
The best way of getting a friend discount is never to ask for one!
Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
Post by: VorFemme on June 28, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

Whereas, I had a friend who had the opposite problem. She quilted for a living. She HATED with a passion Double Wedding Band quilts. She wanted people to stop asking for them, so every time she was asked, she'd raise the price. She was up to $1100, this was 20 years ago, and people still ordered them.

Sounds like the Pain In The Asterisk surcharge (PITA) still had to be raised.

I read a post on a sewing business mailing list - the woman had certain customers that were NOT worth her usual charges.  She raised ALL her fees the next year and added a special surcharge for "rush" jobs - the kind where the person has the outfit for months but brings it to the seamstress for hemming, repairs, or alternations just days before the event where they NEED it (say, the MOB has everything ready except her own dress, but "she's going to loose weight", doesn't, and brings it in two days before the wedding - PITA added).

She said that the customers could still be a pain to work with - but knowing that the hours spent on their jobs made her at least double (or triple) what the same time spent on someone else's job was a stress reducer, in many ways. Not that it made it "fun" - but apparently her inner Snark liked the idea of being paid double or triple time for working overtime with "that customer".
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Post by: ladyknight1 on June 28, 2013, 02:59:52 PM
My son, who is a Boy Scout, plans to earn his Eagle Scout rank in the next year, which is a very big deal. I am going to make the cake for his ceremony, and I am trying to prepare for it by lots of practice and slowly buying the pans I will need.

Do you have a cake decorating shop or similar near you? Some of them will rent out pans.

Some libraries rent out cake pans as well.

Not in Orlando.  :( I have been accumulating pans, I have high-quality half-sheet 3" tall, 8" square 3", and will be buying a 10" square and 12" square. I like to make special occasion cakes too, so they all will get used and I found a great source for good pans at great prices.

Thanks for looking out for me!
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Post by: Shalamar on June 28, 2013, 03:05:41 PM
This is somewhat different, because it's not a craft, but I can't be the only one who's been asked for a freebie from my job, can I?

I used to work for a dinner theatre.  I lost count of the number of people who said "Oh, you can get me free tickets!", and they were quite put out when I said "If I do that, I'll be fired."  "Well, not the GOOD tickets, sure, but you can give me the ones that don't sell."  Nope - I'd still get fired.

I also used to work for the I.T. department of a large grocery chain, and a lot of people thought that (a) I got free groceries (I didn't) and (b) I could hook THEM up with free or discounted groceries (I couldn't).
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Post by: Barney girl on June 28, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
This thread has reminded me of something from several years ago.
By way of background I learnt German at evening classes, eventually getting to the level of passing a number of the modules of the Institute of Linguists Diploma [sadly not the final module as I couldn't find a teacher]. This meant for a number of years a lot of spare time was spent on essays, reading German etc.

My church is twinned with another in Germany and every so often a few of us visit them or they come to us. The visit naturally includes attending the service and we generally participate in one way or another. On this particular visit we were having a planning meeting a few weeks before hand, sorting out travel plans etc. and our then minister said he had been asked to preach and would be doing it in German.  I remember being slightly surprised as I didn't know he spoke German. After all this time I'm hazy on the sequence of events, but either then or later he also said I would be translating his sermon into German. I can't remember why I didn't object. I think it was a combination of wondering whether I'd forgotten some conversation, not wanting to challenge what he was saying in a public meeting, being a bit flattered that my skills were needed and being so used to having German homework that it didn't seem too out of the ordinary.

The problem was I chased him for it several times and heard nothing. In the end I decided it wasn't coming, then about ten days before the visit he sent it to me. To say it was free flowing would be an understatement. It mays well have sounded good as the spoken word, but was not grammatical or in complete sentences and some parts didn't make sense to me. I struggled with it then turned to my then sister in law, who is German, for help. She very kindly took it on, but it meant I wasn't able to hand it to him until we were travelling. (He didn't have email then). He'd been chasing me for it and if it wasn't that I'd have been letting the whole group down I would have said he would have to do without.

As it was, he'd have been better doing it in English. He had no idea how to read it in a way that made sense, so leaving both the English and German speakers in the congregation in the dark.
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Post by: mime on June 28, 2013, 03:34:53 PM
    • Asking for lessons: I make chocolate from the beans. Nobody has asked for lessons, but I think I would welcome it! I'd love for a batch to become a two-person job (the mixer is pretty heavy), and I'd like to share the hobby with someone else. Unfortunately if I had to say "pack a bag, come over on Friday evening, and we'll be done sometime Sunday night" I think they'd be scared off. That time commitment could be a really good deterrent if you want to discourage someone from asking, though.

    If I were anywhere near you, I would take you up on that offer so fast! That sounds like an amazing activity. Would you mind sharing some of the process or good links? I am curious![/list]

    Love to!!! I'll PM some info in the next day or two!
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    Post by: TootsNYC on June 28, 2013, 04:17:11 PM
    Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.

    My mom had that experience.

    When she first moved to our town, there was a bake sale. So she made a really fancy cake. When she dropped it off, she told the people, "Now there's almonds and whatever else, so that cake should be priced at about $10." The ladies said, "oh, nobody ever pays *that* much for a cake," and slapped a $5 tag on it. My mom handed them the $5 and took the cake home, and vowed never again to splurge for a bake sale.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: TootsNYC on June 28, 2013, 04:20:31 PM
    Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

    He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

    Whereas, I had a friend who had the opposite problem. She quilted for a living. She HATED with a passion Double Wedding Band quilts. She wanted people to stop asking for them, so every time she was asked, she'd raise the price. She was up to $1100, this was 20 years ago, and people still ordered them.

    Sounds like the Pain In The Asterisk surcharge (PITA) still had to be raised.

    I read a post on a sewing business mailing list - the woman had certain customers that were NOT worth her usual charges.  She raised ALL her fees the next year and added a special surcharge for "rush" jobs - the kind where the person has the outfit for months but brings it to the seamstress for hemming, repairs, or alternations just days before the event where they NEED it (say, the MOB has everything ready except her own dress, but "she's going to loose weight", doesn't, and brings it in two days before the wedding - PITA added).

    She said that the customers could still be a pain to work with - but knowing that the hours spent on their jobs made her at least double (or triple) what the same time spent on someone else's job was a stress reducer, in many ways. Not that it made it "fun" - but apparently her inner Snark liked the idea of being paid double or triple time for working overtime with "that customer".

    And she'd know that she wasn't being taken advantage of.
    Also, when you do a tough job, you should get more money for it, right?
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on June 28, 2013, 04:53:28 PM
    We used to have bake sales with our Cub Scout group, and cupcakes went for $1 each. I can make two dozen cupcakes for $5, then get $24 for my charity? Yes! Butter, chocolate, good dairy, etc is expensive!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: MommyPenguin on June 28, 2013, 05:18:53 PM
    This thread has reminded me of something from several years ago.
    By way of background I learnt German at evening classes, eventually getting to the level of passing a number of the modules of the Institute of Linguists Diploma [sadly not the final module as I couldn't find a teacher]. This meant for a number of years a lot of spare time was spent on essays, reading German etc.

    My church is twinned with another in Germany and every so often a few of us visit them or they come to us. The visit naturally includes attending the service and we generally participate in one way or another. On this particular visit we were having a planning meeting a few weeks before hand, sorting out travel plans etc. and our then minister said he had been asked to preach and would be doing it in German.  I remember being slightly surprised as I didn't know he spoke German. After all this time I'm hazy on the sequence of events, but either then or later he also said I would be translating his sermon into German. I can't remember why I didn't object. I think it was a combination of wondering whether I'd forgotten some conversation, not wanting to challenge what he was saying in a public meeting, being a bit flattered that my skills were needed and being so used to having German homework that it didn't seem too out of the ordinary.

    The problem was I chased him for it several times and heard nothing. In the end I decided it wasn't coming, then about ten days before the visit he sent it to me. To say it was free flowing would be an understatement. It mays well have sounded good as the spoken word, but was not grammatical or in complete sentences and some parts didn't make sense to me. I struggled with it then turned to my then sister in law, who is German, for help. She very kindly took it on, but it meant I wasn't able to hand it to him until we were travelling. (He didn't have email then). He'd been chasing me for it and if it wasn't that I'd have been letting the whole group down I would have said he would have to do without.

    As it was, he'd have been better doing it in English. He had no idea how to read it in a way that made sense, so leaving both the English and German speakers in the congregation in the dark.

    It would have made a lot more sense for him to have you *read* it to the German audience, as well!
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    Post by: TeamBhakta on June 28, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
    As it was, he'd have been better doing it in English. He had no idea how to read it in a way that made sense, so leaving both the English and German speakers in the congregation in the dark.

    Sounds like a kit I received from a survey panel / promotional team. One item in it was a CD of a woman sing-shouting a song in Spanish. You could tell she was just flat reading the words across a page and had no idea what they meant. I was too embarrassed to pass out the CD like I had promised to  :P
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: VorFemme on June 28, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
    Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.

    My mom had that experience.

    When she first moved to our town, there was a bake sale. So she made a really fancy cake. When she dropped it off, she told the people, "Now there's almonds and whatever else, so that cake should be priced at about $10." The ladies said, "oh, nobody ever pays *that* much for a cake," and slapped a $5 tag on it. My mom handed them the $5 and took the cake home, and vowed never again to splurge for a bake sale.

    I've made things to donate from fabric bought on sale at $15 a yard (full price would have been $25 or higher - tapestry).  I made one from a pattern (the president of the group was the first bidder and made LOUD comments about hoping that she won because she LOVED the tapestry design - it was related to a "hobby" - golf, music, or wine - I forget which fabric I used).  Nobody bid against her....she got it for less than the cost of the fabric.

    A tote bag designed to be used for needlework (knitting, crochet, or embroidery) combined denim and a quilt patch reproduced in tapestry (Cathedral Windows) - it sold for less than a similar item would have been priced at if it had been in a fabric store - but not a whole lot less (think 75% of retail instead of 25% of retail on the purse in the earlier paragraph).  The buyer was telling me how thrilled she was to have it because it was her favorite quilt pattern (and the only "quilt" made without batting - photos http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Cathedral+Window+Quilt&id=6834BFCF5AB526B08B348A1269C838A70A6033E9&FORM=IQFRBA - this is sometimes called a "summer quilt" because there is no batting used to make them.

    Okay - there are two ways to do the quilt design - one is cutting circles of fabric and sewing them together, finishing (or not) the bias edges, and turning them down over the squares of fabric filling in the center - if you used batting under the squares - it might be a bit warmer, but there could be gaps due to the batting being cut in squares and not in the seams.

    The other way involves cutting squares, sewing them into smaller squares in a way that leaves the edges as bias, sewing the squares into a backing, turning back the corner flaps so that they have bias edges and then turning them back to sew down by hand to form the ovals while putting fabric in the openings. I've seen the center squares filled and I've seen the ovals filled (cross shapes result instead of four pointed stars). 

    The tapestry was a lot simpler to work with.....and the right shade of blue that denim looked really nice with it.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Julian on June 28, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
    I'm currently making my first commission piece.  It's a crocheted baby blanket in a sort of spiderweb pattern.

    The young lady who requested it is a stranger.  Housemate came home from the local craft shop with her info and the request to commission.  Anyway, I called her (I'm happy to crochet anything, it keeps my hands busy when watching the idjit box) and she told me a fairly sad story.  When she was a baby, she had a crocheted baby blanket in a spiderweb pattern.  Her and her mother no longer speak, and Mum refused point blank to give her the blanket when she had her own first baby.  She's been trying ever since to get one, and is now pregnant with #2.  First 'baby' is now 6!  So the poor lass has been trying for over 6 years to find somebody to do a fairly quick and simple project for her.

    Anyway, I offered to do the job, if she purchased the wool.  She asks how much to do the work.  Heck, I'd do it for nothing, I've done enough blankets to cover half of my town.  No, she insists, she wants to pay me.  I rattle off a nominal amount ($30), she agrees. 

    I work fulltime, on an hourly rate that is pretty darn good.  I couldn't, in all conscience, charge that hourly rate for something I do as a hobby.  If I was doing it for a living, yeah, I'd charge more.  Even so, I still have no real idea how much is a reasonable rate...

    Anyway, I now have the wool, and the blanket is about 1/3 done.  She purchased the most amazingly soft machine-washable baby merino wool, it's a pleasure to work with, and so far it looks brilliant!

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    Post by: PastryGoddess on June 28, 2013, 09:52:58 PM
    I'm currently making my first commission piece.  It's a crocheted baby blanket in a sort of spiderweb pattern.

    The young lady who requested it is a stranger.  Housemate came home from the local craft shop with her info and the request to commission.  Anyway, I called her (I'm happy to crochet anything, it keeps my hands busy when watching the idjit box) and she told me a fairly sad story.  When she was a baby, she had a crocheted baby blanket in a spiderweb pattern.  Her and her mother no longer speak, and Mum refused point blank to give her the blanket when she had her own first baby.  She's been trying ever since to get one, and is now pregnant with #2.  First 'baby' is now 6!  So the poor lass has been trying for over 6 years to find somebody to do a fairly quick and simple project for her.

    Anyway, I offered to do the job, if she purchased the wool.  She asks how much to do the work.  Heck, I'd do it for nothing, I've done enough blankets to cover half of my town.  No, she insists, she wants to pay me.  I rattle off a nominal amount ($30), she agrees. 

    I work fulltime, on an hourly rate that is pretty darn good.  I couldn't, in all conscience, charge that hourly rate for something I do as a hobby.  If I was doing it for a living, yeah, I'd charge more.  Even so, I still have no real idea how much is a reasonable rate...

    Anyway, I now have the wool, and the blanket is about 1/3 done.  She purchased the most amazingly soft machine-washable baby merino wool, it's a pleasure to work with, and so far it looks brilliant!



    Do you have the pattern?  I've been looking for a good spiderweb pattern for a couple of years now
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    Post by: lady_disdain on June 28, 2013, 10:03:33 PM
    Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

    He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

    He said that after seeing the original sell for $500? The nerve!

    In general, if I am approached at an auction, I will ask for the maximum bid as a price (but I will accept something just below it as a counteroffer). I just don't think it is fair to the highest bidder to sell the same thing, at the same event, for less. I donate anything above time and material to the charity holding the auction.
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    Post by: Yarnspinner on June 28, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
    Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.


    My Mother, rest her soul, was asked to donate an afghan to be raffled off at  the church Christmas Fair.  She was very proud of this fact (and her work was first rate) and she bought some very pricey yarns with which to make it.  During the Fair, we went to see how the raffle was going.  To our surprise, instead of the lacy, fluffy white snow flake pattern with delicate ribbon rainbows intertwined in it afghan that Mom made, there was a (I'm sorry but it's true) brown and beige afghan with soiled bits and torn edges up instead. 

    Mom searched around to ask if her afghan has been sold.  No one knew anything except that the person whose afghan was up for the raffle was a friend of the chairman of the fair committee.  Mom searched around in the knitted and crochet goods section until she found her afghan, folded into a tight bundle and buried under a bunch of used goods with a price tag of ten dollars on it.  Since the time and materials had cost well over one hundred, Mom took the bundle, sought out one of the other coordinators and told them in no uncertain terms that the afghan was not going to be sold at all and if her work had so little value to them, they could fry ice. 

    It wasn't until months later Mom heard through the grapevine that a) event coordinator had hidden Mom's afghan on purpose with the plan of buying it herself for ten dollars and b) they made very very little on their afghan raffle because no one wanted that hideous brown on beige combo.

    Mom refused to make anything when requested again.
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    Post by: Julian on June 29, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
    I've done this one as a queen size bed throw:

    http://www.purplekittyyarns.com/crochet-afghan-patterns/7-point-star-throw (http://www.purplekittyyarns.com/crochet-afghan-patterns/7-point-star-throw)  The colours in this one don't appeal to me, but mine came out good.  I stretched it out to a 63 point star, it looked very webby.

    This is the one I'm doing now, in cream only.

    http://www.crochetville.com/community/topic/13574-12-point-star-baby-afghan/ (http://www.crochetville.com/community/topic/13574-12-point-star-baby-afghan/)

    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Cami on June 29, 2013, 07:23:03 AM
    Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

    He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

    He said that after seeing the original sell for $500? The nerve!

      I forgot to say that I then responded to him, "Well, if quilting of that quality is so easy to do, then I suggest you learn how to do it yourself and make your own quilt."
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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on June 29, 2013, 09:01:32 AM
    I'm a baker.  I donated a gingerbread Christmas tree to be made just before Christmas to my Mom's church's silent auction.  A friend of hers really wanted it but she got outbid at the last minute.  So I called her to let her know that she didn't win but if she was willing to pay the winning bid, I'd make her one, too.  I had to make two trees but the church got double the money.   :)

    Yarnspinner, that was appalling.  I don't blame your mother one bit!  I'd be right pissed, too, if someone did that to my work.

    I donated a patchwork sampler afghan to my friend's church auction.  They didn't do a silent auction because people were in and out, not sticking around for any significant amount of time; it was a submit your best bid and hope you were the highest at the end of the day.  The afghan didn't get the amount I'd have liked but since it was made with odds and ends of yarn, I wasn't too upset. 

    (It's a great pattern to use up bits and pieces - 63 different 7X7" crocheted squares, supposed to be done in 3 different colours, with one of the colours also being the colour to bind it all together.  I group my odds and ends into colour groups and used 3 colour groups, combining it all with a neutral beige.  I've done one in white, grey and black, one in red, yellow and blue, one in orange, purple and green (it looked good!  Honest!) and a couple more that I don't remember the combinations.)
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    Post by: SCAJAfamily on June 29, 2013, 09:09:47 AM
    Quote
    Quote from: TootsNYC on Yesterday at 05:17:11 PM



    Quote from: stitchygreyanonymouse on Yesterday at 01:43:43 PM

    Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.




    My mom had that experience.

    When she first moved to our town, there was a bake sale. So she made a really fancy cake. When she dropped it off, she told the people, "Now there's almonds and whatever else, so that cake should be priced at about $10." The ladies said, "oh, nobody ever pays *that* much for a cake," and slapped a $5 tag on it. My mom handed them the $5 and took the cake home, and vowed never again to splurge for a bake sale.


    Ugh too.  I went through a spell of hand making Angry Birds for my sons.  I made two red birds for A's school's online auction.  They sold for $7 each.  Never again.

    I loved making those birds and only got a few "hints" from my nieces and nephews so they each got one for Christmas.  The rest were for my own children.
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    Post by: CakeBeret on June 29, 2013, 09:23:36 AM
    I do cakes, and my loved ones usually get a cake for their birthdays. Sometimes I ask their preferences, sometimes I surprise them. Thankfully I don't get any greedy requests.

    However, I'm moderately technically proficient, and apparently people think that that means I'll solve any tech issue. For free. I get sooo many annoying requests--and often it's something I don't even know how to do!

    Some examples:
    -We don't have an IT department at work and the owner is a technophobe. I do what I can and they generally respect that. A couple years ago the owner upgraded to an Android smartphone, and I set up her phone (preferences, apps, notifications, etc) because it was easier to just do it all myself. A few weeks later we were at an unrelated party (boss is a family friend) and Random Relative said that she just got a new Android phone and didn't know what to do with it. Boss immediately chimed in "Oh, just give it to Cake and she'll do all the setup and install the apps for you and teach you how to use it." She volunteered my service to three other people before the evening was out. Of course nobody wanted to pay for such a thing, and I flatly refused to do it for free.

    -My father is elderly and well-intentioned, and very religious. He asked me to set up a religious website for him, and though I know absolutely zero about that, I agreed. I spent probably 20 hours getting it set up, and then he started handing me hand-written articles that he wanted me to put up on his site. Then he kept wanting me to create new pages, put up more and more articles, and do things that frankly I haven't the first clue how to do. Finally I told him that he needed to hire someone to manage the website for him. He asked how much the company I work for spends on website support, and I told him it was $xxx per month. To say he was shocked and appalled was an understatement. Finally he stopped asking me.

    -My mother likes to upload photos to RiteAid to have them printed. I showed her how to do it, and all was well. One day I got a call at work that RiteAid had completely changed the photo upload site, and Mom wanted me to walk her through it. Over the phone. While I was at work. She does things like this a lot. I'm a visual person, I absolutely cannot walk you through something unless I can see it myself.

    -Mom works from home and does a lot of printing. At last count she had 4 different printers, a desktop, two laptops, and two tablets. She was having trouble with her network, her wireless internet, and also with the printers. So she decided that everything needed to be re-set-up from scratch. She demanded that I come over to uninstall everything, set up the network, configure her wireless connection, install all 4 printers to each computer, and oh yes, find an app for her tablets that would let her print from the tablets. And figure out why the duplex printing function wasn't working on her printer. OH HECK NO.

    I should point out that I HATE PRINTERS. They are the most confounded, finicky, dang-blasted pieces of technology I have ever had the misfortune of working with. I avoid messing them whenever possible.

    On a positive note, the last time I was at my tattoo artist's shop, he couldn't get his printer to work and asked if any of us knew anything about printers. I wasn't getting any work done (husband and cousin were) so I volunteered to look at it. I uninstalled and reinstalled the printer software and then it worked just fine. I didn't mind because he didn't demand it, and he always gives us a significant discount on our tattoos.
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    Post by: mechtilde on June 29, 2013, 12:20:51 PM
    I've given up making jam for fundraiser sales because I got so sick of seeing something I've spent time and money on go for less than the cost of the fruit (never mind the sugar as well) and also for less than you'd pay for mass produced jam in the supermarket. The same goes for cakes. 20p is not a reasonable amount for a cupcake.

    I'm also cautious about sending any nice display equipment after my nice 3 tier cake stand nearly ended up either binned or sent to a charity shop at the end of one after I loaned it on the strict condition it had to be taken care of and returned to me.
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    Post by: MummySweet on June 29, 2013, 01:35:36 PM
    I'm also cautious about sending any nice display equipment after my nice 3 tier cake stand nearly ended up either binned or sent to a charity shop at the end of one after I loaned it on the strict condition it had to be taken care of and returned to me.

    Arrgh!  This reminded me of an event a few years ago.  I made 150 cupcakes and a centerpiece cake for a cub scout banquet.  My husband was  the Cubmaster and this was our contribution.  I used a very expensive multi-tiered stand that I had and it all made a very striking display, (totally unappreciated by our hoard of little boys  ::)   ) .  The next day I received a call from one of the other mothers informing me that she had told a friend of hers that I had this stand and she was sure I would be happy to lend it out!   No, no, no.  The only thing I was happy to do was give her the name of the  company I had special ordered it from for 150gbp.   I later heard from friends that this woman told several people that " while Cubmaster is terrific, his wife doesn't have a generous spirit."
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    Post by: Bethalize on June 29, 2013, 01:43:12 PM
    I later heard from friends that this woman told several people that " while Cubmaster is terrific, his wife doesn't have a generous spirit."

    Rude word about the nasty lady!

    I just made a cake pop holder from polystyrene chams. The cost of the polystyrene alone was £20. I was pleased when someone who was saying I should do this professionally said that she thought people would pay £2 a cake pop. That was really nice to hear because I had done 80 for a friend's wedding. I'd like to think people thought they had £160 cake display available rather than something a friend threw together.
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    Post by: VorFemme on June 29, 2013, 01:52:29 PM
    I'm also cautious about sending any nice display equipment after my nice 3 tier cake stand nearly ended up either binned or sent to a charity shop at the end of one after I loaned it on the strict condition it had to be taken care of and returned to me.

    Arrgh!  This reminded me of an event a few years ago.  I made 150 cupcakes and a centerpiece cake for a cub scout banquet.  My husband was  the Cubmaster and this was our contribution.  I used a very expensive multi-tiered stand that I had and it all made a very striking display, (totally unappreciated by our hoard of little boys  ::)   ) .  The next day I received a call from one of the other mothers informing me that she had told a friend of hers that I had this stand and she was sure I would be happy to lend it out!   No, no, no.  The only thing I was happy to do was give her the name of the  company I had special ordered it from for 150gbp.   I later heard from friends that this woman told several people that " while Cubmaster is terrific, his wife doesn't have a generous spirit."

    VorGuy is a teacher.  To save rental fees (school budgets keep getting cut) for items needed for the end of the semester awards banquets, he "loans" some of our stuff (punch bowls & cups, cake server, and the like) and buys cheap chafing dishes (disposable) instead of renting them.  As long as they are kept filled with water - the aluminum is FINE.

    I've had punch cups broken (got in too much of a hurry to fold away tables for dancing to clear them FIRST), cake servers and other plastic utensils tossed (which is why they come from the dollar store and I run them through the dishwasher & place them in zipped plastic bags until they are needed again),  and clean the various aluminum pans while checking for burnt pans...."crystal" and "silver" trays of plastic from the dollar store get used instead of the real thing. 

    I made quilt fabric slipcovers for the big plastic containers that usually have water or Gatorade in them at events - so that they are all dressed up at the banquet.  Those get washed and reused every time, too.

    My chafing dishes (glass) don't get sent to the banquet.  My good metal serving pieces (dishes or utensils) stay home, too. 

    Anyone who thinks that I should "loan" good stuff to the school gets told how half my punch cups from one set got busted and how my first punch bowl set (from college) came back cracked - then had the bottom fall out the next time it was loaned out.  I'm not paranoid - I've lost stuff.

    I don't cook, either, at most I thaw frozen cream puffs from the store for serving....teenagers are more interested in how much food there is at a dinner - not how expensive it is.....and I'd like to have time to eat and dance, too!
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    Post by: amylouky on June 29, 2013, 01:56:37 PM
    I think that sometimes we forget that with handmade gifts, the love is a huge part of the value. :) For example.. I've crocheted a few hats and scarves, and made several other crafty gifts in the past. I made a hat for my niece that took probably about 15 hours.. with materials and even $10 an hour, then the "value" would be $150?  I don't know anyone who would pay $150 for a crocheted hat, and I don't blame them. Doesn't mean they don't value the work involved, but they're just looking to buy a hat, kwim? But the gift to my niece included the monetary value of the hat PLUS the love and care that went in to taking the time to make it, which is hard to put a price on.
    Which is why I don't make things for sale.. just for people that I love.
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    Post by: Acadianna on June 29, 2013, 02:46:02 PM
    Anyone who thinks that I should "loan" good stuff to the school gets told how half my punch cups from one set got busted and how my first punch bowl set (from college) came back cracked - then had the bottom fall out the next time it was loaned out.  I'm not paranoid - I've lost stuff.

    I no longer loan anything at school that I've paid for myself, because I've had nothing but bad experiences that way.  A couple incidents I recall --

     - Loaned an autographed book to another teacher, on condition that she return it by the end of May, so I could use it over the summer.  In May, she told me she couldn't find it and would "get around to looking for it" eventually.  I finally got it back in September.  (At least she found it!)

     - Loaned a set of protractors to another teacher, on condition that they be returned to their plastic sleeves after each use.  (I spent a bit extra to get large ones in sleeves, to prevent them from being scratched up.  Scratches make it even harder for my special ed students to read them, and every little advantage helps.)  The protractors were returned to me, stacked and rubber banded together, and not in the sleeves.

     - I even had one staff person go through my supplies -- without asking first -- to find poster paper for her daughter's project.

    I don't mind lending/donating supplies that the school pays for, but I tend to pay for just about all of my classroom supplies myself, as our department budget is not very large.  Many of my special ed students come from low-income families, so I pay for our everyday classroom supplies.  That way, everybody has the "good stuff," nobody is embarrassed, and parents don't have to struggle to buy what I can easily afford.  (Not to mention the teacher tax credit, which I get and parents don't!)  This makes me very reluctant to lend supplies and equipment that people will not replace or take care of.
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    Post by: Cami on June 29, 2013, 03:12:58 PM
    I think that sometimes we forget that with handmade gifts, the love is a huge part of the value. :) For example.. I've crocheted a few hats and scarves, and made several other crafty gifts in the past. I made a hat for my niece that took probably about 15 hours.. with materials and even $10 an hour, then the "value" would be $150?  I don't know anyone who would pay $150 for a crocheted hat, and I don't blame them. Doesn't mean they don't value the work involved, but they're just looking to buy a hat, kwim? But the gift to my niece included the monetary value of the hat PLUS the love and care that went in to taking the time to make it, which is hard to put a price on.
    Which is why I don't make things for sale.. just for people that I love.
    It depends on why you're making it. When I make quilts or do alterations on bridal gowns, I'm not doing it for the love of it or of the person. I'm a professional and I'm selling goods and services and I'll charge a fee that reflects my training and experience.

    It's like when I worked in a bridal salon and a bridesmaid would balk at the $30 hem fee. "But Grandma would do it for free!" To which I'd reply, "Then, here. Take your gown and go have Grandma do it for you."

    I'm not my customer's grandma or aunt or sister. I'm a service/goods provider and I'll charge a fee that provides a living wage for it. Just like plumbers and mechanics do. The difference I've encountered is that people see technical expertise that is traditionally held by women as somehow less worthy of spending money than that held by men. I won't play that misogynistic game.
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    Post by: z_squared82 on July 01, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
    Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

    He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

    He said that after seeing the original sell for $500? The nerve!

      I forgot to say that I then responded to him, "Well, if quilting of that quality is so easy to do, then I suggest you learn how to do it yourself and make your own quilt."

    Ditto.
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    Post by: z_squared82 on July 01, 2013, 08:40:59 AM
    I think that sometimes we forget that with handmade gifts, the love is a huge part of the value. :) For example.. I've crocheted a few hats and scarves, and made several other crafty gifts in the past. I made a hat for my niece that took probably about 15 hours.. with materials and even $10 an hour, then the "value" would be $150?  I don't know anyone who would pay $150 for a crocheted hat, and I don't blame them. Doesn't mean they don't value the work involved, but they're just looking to buy a hat, kwim? But the gift to my niece included the monetary value of the hat PLUS the love and care that went in to taking the time to make it, which is hard to put a price on.
    Which is why I don't make things for sale.. just for people that I love.
    It depends on why you're making it. When I make quilts or do alterations on bridal gowns, I'm not doing it for the love of it or of the person. I'm a professional and I'm selling goods and services and I'll charge a fee that reflects my training and experience.

    It's like when I worked in a bridal salon and a bridesmaid would balk at the $30 hem fee. "But Grandma would do it for free!" To which I'd reply, "Then, here. Take your gown and go have Grandma do it for you."

    I'm not my customer's grandma or aunt or sister. I'm a service/goods provider and I'll charge a fee that provides a living wage for it. Just like plumbers and mechanics do. The difference I've encountered is that people see technical expertise that is traditionally held by women as somehow less worthy of spending money than that held by men. I won't play that misogynistic game.

    My mother is the only seamstress to come out of her family. None of the aunts who married in are as good as she. So when they or any of their daughters (b/c out of 20-something grandchildren, there are only 4 boys) needed something mended or altered, they'd come to Mom. (Sometimes, it was even just having someone pin it so they could sew it.) Mom never charged, but she did show the aunts and the neices exactly what she was doing so they could do it themselves the next time. I've never seen any of my cousins come back twice for the same issue.
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    Post by: rose red on July 01, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
    This thread reminds me of a story I read in a magazine.  This couple were at a craft show and at one booth, they snarked about how they could make the same things.  Until they saw a sign that reads "Sure you can make it.  But will you?"
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    Post by: snowflake on July 01, 2013, 10:33:55 AM
    I think that sometimes we forget that with handmade gifts, the love is a huge part of the value. :) For example.. I've crocheted a few hats and scarves, and made several other crafty gifts in the past. I made a hat for my niece that took probably about 15 hours.. with materials and even $10 an hour, then the "value" would be $150?  I don't know anyone who would pay $150 for a crocheted hat, and I don't blame them. Doesn't mean they don't value the work involved, but they're just looking to buy a hat, kwim? But the gift to my niece included the monetary value of the hat PLUS the love and care that went in to taking the time to make it, which is hard to put a price on.
    Which is why I don't make things for sale.. just for people that I love.

    I think that's the point.  When I make hats, it's not just so people can have a hat.  It so they can have some thing original that doesn't have the look of coming off a knitting machine in a third-world nation.  I'm currently making a tam-o-shanter with infinity cables on the top.  It's going to take me six hours (but ONLY because I have done this before.  The first one was 6 hours plus 20 hours of swearing when I kept messing it up.)  Someday they'll make a machine that can do that, but not right now.  Also, I can measure to fit and make my kids stuff that won't fall off. 

    If you just want a hat, you can buy one at Walmart.  It's a little annoying when people want you to recreate infinity cables and then insist that it's a 5.99 hat.  Nope.  If you just want a cheap hat, you don't get infinity cables!   
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    Post by: nuit93 on July 01, 2013, 10:53:00 AM
    This thread reminds me of a story I read in a magazine.  This couple were at a craft show and at one booth, they snarked about how they could make the same things.  Until they saw a sign that reads "Sure you can make it.  But will you?"

    Love it!
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    Post by: Chip2 on July 01, 2013, 11:22:41 AM
    This thread reminds me of a story I read in a magazine.  This couple were at a craft show and at one booth, they snarked about how they could make the same things.  Until they saw a sign that reads "Sure you can make it.  But will you?"

    I've been to a couple of craft shows where the woodworking items were of lower quality than stuff I could make (and in some cases had made) on my own, but I always keep those opinions to myself. I'd rather the crafter keep working and get better than get discouraged and give up.

    But I do have this dilemma at grocery stores. I see cookies that look good but immediately think, "I can make better at home myself," and don't buy the goodies. And I can make better at home, but I rarely do, but I guess I'm better off that way because it keeps my weight under control.  ::) 
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    Post by: VorFemme on July 01, 2013, 01:51:28 PM
    This thread reminds me of a story I read in a magazine.  This couple were at a craft show and at one booth, they snarked about how they could make the same things.  Until they saw a sign that reads "Sure you can make it.  But will you?"

    Another true story remembered from a mailing list.

    To paraphrase, the poster had a booth at a craft show.  Cheap Customer kept looking at something and decided NOT to buy it but to get her friend, Betty, to look at it so Betty could make her one for just the cost of materials, because Betty was crafty.

    Next year, Cheap Customer came back (when the woman spent hours every day for three days hanging around her booth, handling things but not buying them - the poster recognized her).

    She dragged Betty over to look at something that she wanted for "just the cost of materials" again.

    Betty told her in no uncertain terms to BUY herself the danged thing already, it had taken Betty three attempts at several hours each to get ONE good enough for Cheap Customer to actually pay her for the materials and she still had the other two sitting in her craft room, because she was trying to decide what to do with them.....and Betty was not going to make any more things for Cheap Customer.  It was too much work!

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    Post by: lilfox on July 01, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
    This thread reminds me of a story I read in a magazine.  This couple were at a craft show and at one booth, they snarked about how they could make the same things.  Until they saw a sign that reads "Sure you can make it.  But will you?"

    I have seen this sign at a few craft booths over the years.   :)  I think my mom needs to carry one with her to remind herself that while she is crafty and talented and could actually make the thing herself, she will just end up investing money in the materials, try it a few times, maybe get one or two good results, and then move on to the next thing that catches her eye.  It will never be her calling to do one craft full-time (hers is the home of a million WIPs), regardless of her initial enthusiasm.

    She once talked me into buying three pretty but simple padded quilt squares with a ribbon design with the hopes that I would recreate these myself for upcoming holiday gifts.  10 years later, I still have those quilt squares and have never been inspired to make new ones.  I wouldn't make one-to-one duplicates at any rate, when it comes to crafting I think inspiration is one thing but imitation is not flattering at all.

    That said, I'm much more likely to buy a craft that I know I could never master (e.g. jewelry with intricate wire work) than something I could make myself (any simple knit item), even if I never did.
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    Post by: cwm on July 01, 2013, 02:42:40 PM
    That said, I'm much more likely to buy a craft that I know I could never master (e.g. jewelry with intricate wire work) than something I could make myself (any simple knit item), even if I never did.

    POD to this. I don't have the time, money, or steady hands required to do jewelry work. I've seen those jewelry saws, I'm more likely to lose bits and bobs of myself than make anything worthwhile. I tried setting up a beadworking studio, but I don't have a kiln to anneal the beads, so I couldn't sell them if I wanted to, and they're not that great to begin with. I don't have the time to go out to where my studio is and practice. If I see some really neat lampwork beads and I want to use them for something, I'm much more likely to buy them than try to recreate them, it'll only end badly for me.
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    Post by: LadyClaire on July 01, 2013, 03:02:33 PM
    This thread reminds me of a story I read in a magazine.  This couple were at a craft show and at one booth, they snarked about how they could make the same things.  Until they saw a sign that reads "Sure you can make it.  But will you?"

    I've bought things I could probably make, if I really wanted to, but honestly with some stuff I'd rather pay someone else to do it for me. I've bought jewelry before from other metalsmiths because I like their style. I'd rather pay the original artist than replicate it.
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    Post by: laud_shy_girl on July 01, 2013, 07:59:12 PM
    This thread has inspired me to have a go at quiting.

    I will let you know in a week or so if I am grateful for that inspiration.   >:D
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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on July 01, 2013, 08:10:22 PM
    This thread has inspired me to have a go at quiting.

    I will let you know in a week or so if I am grateful for that inspiration.   >:D

    I think you are missing an 'L'.  That's one heckuva Freudian slip.   ;D
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    Post by: TeamBhakta on July 01, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
    This thread has inspired me to have a go at quiting.

    I will let you know in a week or so if I am grateful for that inspiration.   >:D

    Sure you can quit. But will you ?

     >:D
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    Post by: laud_shy_girl on July 02, 2013, 03:52:25 AM
    This thread has inspired me to have a go at quiting.

    I will let you know in a week or so if I am grateful for that inspiration.   >:D

    Sure you can quit. But will you ?

     >:D

    Just woke DH up with my laughing.
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    Post by: LadyClaire on July 02, 2013, 06:54:55 AM
    This thread has inspired me to have a go at quiting.

    I will let you know in a week or so if I am grateful for that inspiration.   >:D

    Sure you can quit. But will you ?

     >:D

    *high fives* nice one!
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    Post by: MommyPenguin on July 02, 2013, 08:57:08 AM
    My mom is very talented at crafts, and when I was a kid, she would sometimes go to craft shows and see something she liked, and buy one of them.  Then she'd made a whole bunch to pass out at work, or have my Girl Scout troop make as a craft, things like that.  She did always buy one, though, both to give her a model and to pay the craft for her work.  These would always be simple, basic things, though, like a wooden spool reindeer, or a little felt Christmas tree ornament, or whatever.  Not things like quilts!
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    Post by: Thipu1 on July 02, 2013, 09:11:41 AM
    A problem I see is that some people hear the word 'crafts' and automatically think of elbow macaroni and Elmer's Glue-All.  They don't take the 'Arts & Crafts' movement into consideration.

    Years ago, the museum showed a gorgeous installation of glass work designed by Dale Chiluly.  You wouldn't believe the flack it got from some segments of the museum community. 

    'That isn't art!  It doesn't have a message!  It's just craft!'

    True, there was no political or social comment in the installation but everyone who walked through the front door smiled when they saw it.  Isn't that a good enough message to send? 
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    Post by: siamesecat2965 on July 02, 2013, 09:21:12 AM
    A problem I see is that some people hear the word 'crafts' and automatically think of elbow macaroni and Elmer's Glue-All.  They don't take the 'Arts & Crafts' movement into consideration.

    Years ago, the museum showed a gorgeous installation of glass work designed by Dale Chiluly.  You wouldn't believe the flack it got from some segments of the museum community. 

    'That isn't art!  It doesn't have a message!  It's just craft!'

    True, there was no political or social comment in the installation but everyone who walked through the front door smiled when they saw it.  Isn't that a good enough message to send?

    I just saw one of his exhibits in Richmond in Dec. All I can say is WOW!  I'm just sorry I took the "no camera" rule so seriously; apparently you could take them, if you didn't use a flash. I was floored; his stuff is so amazing, and it IS most certainly art!
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    Post by: artk2002 on July 02, 2013, 10:00:39 AM
    A problem I see is that some people hear the word 'crafts' and automatically think of elbow macaroni and Elmer's Glue-All.  They don't take the 'Arts & Crafts' movement into consideration.

    Years ago, the museum showed a gorgeous installation of glass work designed by Dale Chiluly.  You wouldn't believe the flack it got from some segments of the museum community. 

    'That isn't art!  It doesn't have a message!  It's just craft!'

    True, there was no political or social comment in the installation but everyone who walked through the front door smiled when they saw it.  Isn't that a good enough message to send?

    My response to that:
    Quote
        Calvin: People always make the mistake of thinking art is created for them. But really, art is a private language for sophisticates to congratulate themselves on their superiority to the rest of the world. As my artist's statement explains, my work is utterly incomprehensible and is therefore full of deep significance.
        Hobbes: You misspelled Weltanschauung.

    I absolutely despise people who think that something isn't "art," unless it's fraught with deep meaning. As Calvin says, it's just a way for them to congratulate themselves on their supposed superiority.

    The irony is that even the most beautiful paintings in the world require far more of what these people would call "craft" than "art." The Mona Lisa wouldn't be nearly as beautiful if Davinci hadn't mastered the craft of painting. Someone can have the most wonderful ideas, full of meaning, but if they lack the craft, those ideas will never see the light of day.
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    Post by: Elfmama on July 02, 2013, 10:46:01 AM
    A problem I see is that some people hear the word 'crafts' and automatically think of elbow macaroni and Elmer's Glue-All.  They don't take the 'Arts & Crafts' movement into consideration.

    Years ago, the museum showed a gorgeous installation of glass work designed by Dale Chiluly.  You wouldn't believe the flack it got from some segments of the museum community. 

    'That isn't art!  It doesn't have a message!  It's just craft!'

    True, there was no political or social comment in the installation but everyone who walked through the front door smiled when they saw it.  Isn't that a good enough message to send?

    My response to that:
    Quote
        Calvin: People always make the mistake of thinking art is created for them. But really, art is a private language for sophisticates to congratulate themselves on their superiority to the rest of the world. As my artist's statement explains, my work is utterly incomprehensible and is therefore full of deep significance.
        Hobbes: You misspelled Weltanschauung.

    I absolutely despise people who think that something isn't "art," unless it's fraught with deep meaning. As Calvin says, it's just a way for them to congratulate themselves on their supposed superiority.
    And a way for the "artist" to make big bucks from people who are so gullible that they (pretend to?) see "deep meaning" in a totally white canvas with a tiny blue dot in one corner.  Emperor's New Clothes, anyone?
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    Post by: LadyClaire on July 02, 2013, 11:14:13 AM
    A problem I see is that some people hear the word 'crafts' and automatically think of elbow macaroni and Elmer's Glue-All.  They don't take the 'Arts & Crafts' movement into consideration.

    Years ago, the museum showed a gorgeous installation of glass work designed by Dale Chiluly.  You wouldn't believe the flack it got from some segments of the museum community. 

    'That isn't art!  It doesn't have a message!  It's just craft!'

    True, there was no political or social comment in the installation but everyone who walked through the front door smiled when they saw it.  Isn't that a good enough message to send?

    My response to that:
    Quote
        Calvin: People always make the mistake of thinking art is created for them. But really, art is a private language for sophisticates to congratulate themselves on their superiority to the rest of the world. As my artist's statement explains, my work is utterly incomprehensible and is therefore full of deep significance.
        Hobbes: You misspelled Weltanschauung.

    I absolutely despise people who think that something isn't "art," unless it's fraught with deep meaning. As Calvin says, it's just a way for them to congratulate themselves on their supposed superiority.

    The irony is that even the most beautiful paintings in the world require far more of what these people would call "craft" than "art." The Mona Lisa wouldn't be nearly as beautiful if Davinci hadn't mastered the craft of painting. Someone can have the most wonderful ideas, full of meaning, but if they lack the craft, those ideas will never see the light of day.

    Heh..I enjoy painting quite a bit. The thing is, often times my drawings/paintings mean absolutely nothing. Oh, they might represent a feeling I had while painting them, but meaning? None, really, except for me just liking what I was doing and enjoying myself while doing it. These same feelings are present when I'm doing a "craft" thing like making jewelry.

    I had a friend once who was driven crazy by that. She'd look at my art and assign all of this deep meaning to it, and I'd just shrug and say "well, if that's what you take away from it, fine..but really, it doesn't mean anything at all. I just liked that shade of purple."
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    Post by: Hillia on July 02, 2013, 11:22:55 AM
    There's an old Peanuts cartoon (from the 60's maybe?)...Charlie Brown is admiring a picture of a man that Linus has just drawn.

    CB: "I notice that you've drawn the man with his hands in his pockets.  This means that you, yourself, have deep feelings of inferiority"
    Linus, annoyed: "No, it means that I, myself, can't draw hands!"
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: rose red on July 02, 2013, 11:36:20 AM
    I'm kind of a literal person and have a hard time with hidden meanings.  I once wrote a poem for a school assignment.  The poem was straight forward and all text, no subtext.  For example, if I wrote "the dog dug a hole" or "it rained yesterday" then that's what I meant.  A fellow student read it and went on and on about the symbolism and imagery and all that good stuff.  I was impressed; I had no idea I was so deep ;).
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    Post by: snowflake on July 02, 2013, 12:21:19 PM
    The irony is that even the most beautiful paintings in the world require far more of what these people would call "craft" than "art." The Mona Lisa wouldn't be nearly as beautiful if Davinci hadn't mastered the craft of painting. Someone can have the most wonderful ideas, full of meaning, but if they lack the craft, those ideas will never see the light of day.

    Now hold on.  I've seen lots of people with no craft and big ideas.  Though most of the time they're very bitter that no one sees the art in their craftless works.   ;)  (This is not to mock modern art in general. I have seen lots of gorgeous modern/abstract art made by talented, dedicated artists.  Just some modern art that is filling up the corners of basement apartments of some bitter, bitter people.)

    I've had people tell me that my crafting is full of freedom and depth.  I was raised by two people who call themselves "deep," "free spirited" and "have an artistic temperament."  Sometimes they really are.  But 75% of the time that was their way of justifying their trainwreck behavior.  My crafting is all about praising the straight-laced, narrow-minded, type-A, no-fun lifestyle. 
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    Post by: blue2000 on July 02, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
    A problem I see is that some people hear the word 'crafts' and automatically think of elbow macaroni and Elmer's Glue-All.  They don't take the 'Arts & Crafts' movement into consideration.

    Years ago, the museum showed a gorgeous installation of glass work designed by Dale Chiluly.  You wouldn't believe the flack it got from some segments of the museum community. 

    'That isn't art!  It doesn't have a message!  It's just craft!'

    True, there was no political or social comment in the installation but everyone who walked through the front door smiled when they saw it.  Isn't that a good enough message to send?

    My response to that:
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        Calvin: People always make the mistake of thinking art is created for them. But really, art is a private language for sophisticates to congratulate themselves on their superiority to the rest of the world. As my artist's statement explains, my work is utterly incomprehensible and is therefore full of deep significance.
        Hobbes: You misspelled Weltanschauung.

    I absolutely despise people who think that something isn't "art," unless it's fraught with deep meaning. As Calvin says, it's just a way for them to congratulate themselves on their supposed superiority.

    The irony is that even the most beautiful paintings in the world require far more of what these people would call "craft" than "art." The Mona Lisa wouldn't be nearly as beautiful if Davinci hadn't mastered the craft of painting. Someone can have the most wonderful ideas, full of meaning, but if they lack the craft, those ideas will never see the light of day.

    Heh..I enjoy painting quite a bit. The thing is, often times my drawings/paintings mean absolutely nothing. Oh, they might represent a feeling I had while painting them, but meaning? None, really, except for me just liking what I was doing and enjoying myself while doing it. These same feelings are present when I'm doing a "craft" thing like making jewelry.

    I had a friend once who was driven crazy by that. She'd look at my art and assign all of this deep meaning to it, and I'd just shrug and say "well, if that's what you take away from it, fine..but really, it doesn't mean anything at all. I just liked that shade of purple."

    We had this discussion with an Art professor in college, and most art is exactly that.
    "I'm Bored."
    "I think circles are cool."
    "I have a lot of purple paint to use up."

    It is great when people see deep meaning in your art, but it is pretty random. Even if I purposely draw something that looks sad to me, someone else may see it as joyful.
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    Post by: yokozbornak on July 02, 2013, 01:55:55 PM
    This discussion reminds me of a discussion we had in my high school English class.  We were analyzing a poem, and the teacher asked why we thought the poet used a certain word.  I answered that it was probably because it rhymed with the word above it, and she wasn't amused.  I wasn't actually trying to be a smart aleck.  I wrote lots of bad, angst-y poetry in high school and that's the exact reason I picked certain words!
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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on July 02, 2013, 02:08:56 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern.

    I can knit and crochet up a storm.  But give me a pattern to follow!  I can modify a pattern into something else but I can't just create from scratch.

    I took the Wilton cake decorating courses almost 20 years ago, now.  I can still make flowers but I have to follow the book and putting the cakes together, I follow basic patterns outlined in the book.  Still can't make roses, though.  I'm all over the daisies and daffodils and primroses but plain, old roses?  Can't do them.
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    Post by: Doll Fiend on July 02, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
    Saw this and had to add it.

    Not always right Sewing The Seeds of Anger (http://notalwaysright.com/sewing-the-seeds-of-anger/30489)
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: CrazyDaffodilLady on July 02, 2013, 02:17:02 PM
    I'm certainly not an artist, but I'm fortunate to be able to manage a few crafts that allow me to express my sense of color and balance, sometimes with good results.

    I once gave a handmade item to a public figure I admired who had just been diagnosed with cancer.  He thanked me publicly and referred to it as a work of art.  I was thrilled.

    I've heard it said that you're not an artist until somebody else calls you one.
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    Post by: magician5 on July 02, 2013, 02:48:45 PM
    This discussion reminds me of a discussion we had in my high school English class.  We were analyzing a poem, and the teacher asked why we thought the poet used a certain word.  I answered that it was probably because it rhymed with the word above it, and she wasn't amused.  I wasn't actually trying to be a smart aleck.  I wrote lots of bad, angst-y poetry in high school and that's the exact reason I picked certain words!

    I remember "deep" discussions about the symbolism in the films of Ingmar Bergman, which I quit engaging in when I read an interview with Bergman himself in a film magazine. "What was the symbolism of using a white horse in that fabulous closing scene from THE SEVENTH SEAL?" Bergman replies that that's the color of horse that the rental guy had that day.
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    Post by: mechtilde on July 02, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
    Yeah- my Dad was an Architect. He worked on the restoration of a mediaeval gateway and had to replace some stone carving which was so worn that he had to make up what should go in its place (there was no evidence about what was there originally)

    Many years later he came across a learned article on the significance of a bunch of grapes carved on the gateway. A looong article all about symbolism in mediaeval carving.

    He just thought that the grapes would look nice!  ;D
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    Post by: Seraphia on July 02, 2013, 03:17:29 PM
    I was accidentally accused of being an "artistic rulebreaker" once. I took 2d art class in college for fun. We were given an assignment to create an image done only in black and white patterned paper. I was trying to make background, and ran out of the paper with the texture I wanted, so I borrowed my Roomie's computer, scanned my pattern and shrank it a bit, printed more, and pasted on my merry way. It looked a bit more dark gray than black (her printer was slightly low on ink), but it was pretty close, and I thought it looked nice. When it was turned in, I was pointed out in class for "subversively" using color against the instructions, and how much more life my picture had because I had selectively broken a rule. I had apparently also included a hidden window, which was also symbolic somehow...

    As far as craft freebies, the only thing I do with any distinct skill is cross-stitch, and I have yet to have anyone demand I make them a cross-stitch kit they could certainly buy themselves. Maybe that's when I'll know that I've gotten skilled, when people start making unreasonable demands on me. :P
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    Post by: redsfan on July 02, 2013, 03:37:20 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern.

    I can knit and crochet up a storm.  But give me a pattern to follow!  I can modify a pattern into something else but I can't just create from scratch.

    I took the Wilton cake decorating courses almost 20 years ago, now.  I can still make flowers but I have to follow the book and putting the cakes together, I follow basic patterns outlined in the book.  Still can't make roses, though.  I'm all over the daisies and daffodils and primroses but plain, old roses?  Can't do them.

    Make your base bigger.  You cut it off anyways, so don't worry if you don't go to the bottom.  Then it's all turning the nail.

    I decorate, and I can't begin to count how many times I'm asked to do a "simple" cake for someone.  When I tell them the costs associated, let alone my time, I hear "Well, that can be your gift" or "I can get it cheaper at whatever store!"  Yes, you can get it cheaper, so please do if that's your concern.  Drives me batty. 
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on July 02, 2013, 03:42:59 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern. 


    This is me with crocheting.  I get so many compliments on my scarves and shawls.  I just pick a pretty yarn and follow the pattern until it's done.  I absolutely cannot make anything without a pattern of some kind.
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    Post by: LazyDaisy on July 02, 2013, 03:45:51 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern.

    I can knit and crochet up a storm.  But give me a pattern to follow!  I can modify a pattern into something else but I can't just create from scratch.

    I took the Wilton cake decorating courses almost 20 years ago, now.  I can still make flowers but I have to follow the book and putting the cakes together, I follow basic patterns outlined in the book.  Still can't make roses, though.  I'm all over the daisies and daffodils and primroses but plain, old roses?  Can't do them.

    Make your base bigger.  You cut it off anyways, so don't worry if you don't go to the bottom.  Then it's all turning the nail.

    I decorate, and I can't begin to count how many times I'm asked to do a "simple" cake for someone.  When I tell them the costs associated, let alone my time, I hear "Well, that can be your gift" or "I can get it cheaper at whatever store!"  Yes, you can get it cheaper, so please do if that's your concern.  Drives me batty.

    Refer them to cakewrecks.com and tell them if they can get it cheaper, they might just get what they pay for  >:D
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    Post by: Amanita on July 02, 2013, 03:53:43 PM
    I have gotten this before. I'm a costumer, so by force of necessity, I've learned how to do lots of different things. Sewing, leather, basic jewellery making, fabric painting, and even basic chainmail and scale mail.

    I made a few pieces of scale mail while working night shift security, and it takes forever, even for small pieces. I worked on a larger piece by doing it in segments-  doing small pieces at work in between rounds, then piecing them into the main body of the thing later.
    A coworker of mine wanted me to make her a whole scale mail short skirt, for club wear. She didn't want to pay for time, since she figured I could do it at work, like my own little pieces. And yes, she said it would be good promotion- she could tell people who made it.

    I also write and draw- I've posted my stuff here before. I do mainly urban fantasy, with my characters usually being personified skyscrapers and the like.
    My mom keeps wanting me to draw her something to hang on the living room wall. But she doesn't want what I like to do. She wants something like a Victorian lady holding a parasol. Aside from some steampunk dabbling, I'm not really interested in Victorian stuff, and ladies with parasols just don't interest me, when it comes to taking the time to finish a piece. So she doesn't really want my work, she wants her picture with my name on it.

    My sister once dabbled in writing some short stories, and my mom told her that she should get me to illustrate them. Thankfully, my sister discouraged that, saying that her writing and my artistic style didn't fit well- she wrote about ordinary, every day people, which I'm not really interested in drawing, given that most of my subjects aren't even human.

    On another note, for the lady who's afraid to take her gorgeous cross stitch to Micheal's to have it framed, because of an entitlement poisoned mother whose daughter works there and might make it disappear, I would have gone right to a manager too, and told them what that entitlehog told me. After all, they might like to know they've got a potential thief working for them. Or perhaps daughter might end up having words with her mother, about how such entitled ranting could make her lose her job.
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    Post by: Julian on July 02, 2013, 04:07:32 PM
    And a way for the "artist" to make big bucks from people who are so gullible that they (pretend to?) see "deep meaning" in a totally white canvas with a tiny blue dot in one corner.  Emperor's New Clothes, anyone?

    I went to a craft and quilt show last weekend.  Your post reminded me...

    There was a lovely small quilt showing a medieval street parade, with the emperor in the middle in his finery.  The emperor was sort of pleated/quilted.  Looking at the quilt from the left side, anyway.  When I looked at it from the other side, he was not wearing his finery.  Hilarious!  I pointed it out to Friend, and another lady nearby commented that she hadn't even seen that - so she came back for another look!   ;D
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    Post by: snowflake on July 02, 2013, 04:08:03 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern. 


    This is me with crocheting.  I get so many compliments on my scarves and shawls.  I just pick a pretty yarn and follow the pattern until it's done.  I absolutely cannot make anything without a pattern of some kind.

    This is me with any craft.  I even copy scrapbook layouts.  I have no sense of color, balance or proportion.  I once heard a bunch of other knitters refer to me as "the Seven of Nine knitter."  (The perfectionist Borg from Voyager.)  The funny thing is that I wasn't sad or offended because I am that neurotic.
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    Post by: Hillia on July 02, 2013, 04:22:53 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern. 


    This is me with crocheting.  I get so many compliments on my scarves and shawls.  I just pick a pretty yarn and follow the pattern until it's done.  I absolutely cannot make anything without a pattern of some kind.

    This is me with any craft.  I even copy scrapbook layouts.  I have no sense of color, balance or proportion.  I once heard a bunch of other knitters refer to me as "the Seven of Nine knitter."  (The perfectionist Borg from Voyager.)  The funny thing is that I wasn't sad or offended because I am that neurotic.

    I hear you.  I have not a creative bone in my body, but I like to follow patterns in knit, crochet, quilting, etc.  Some years ago I posted a picture of some fabric I had bought here on ehell, because I couldn't figure out what to do with it for a quilt.  One poster wrote this wonderful post about what memories the pattern of the fabric brought up for her, and how she might design around those images.  I was floored...the best I could come up with was matching the colors of the print!

    (and shamefully, years later, I *still* haven't done anything with that fabric).
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    Post by: magicdomino on July 02, 2013, 04:57:46 PM

    I decorate, and I can't begin to count how many times I'm asked to do a "simple" cake for someone.  When I tell them the costs associated, let alone my time, I hear "Well, that can be your gift" or "I can get it cheaper at whatever store!"  Yes, you can get it cheaper, so please do if that's your concern.  Drives me batty.

    Refer them to cakewrecks.com and tell them if they can get it cheaper, they might just get what they pay for  >:D

    I was just thinking that!   ;D
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    Post by: LadyClaire on July 02, 2013, 05:03:07 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern. 


    This is me with crocheting.  I get so many compliments on my scarves and shawls.  I just pick a pretty yarn and follow the pattern until it's done.  I absolutely cannot make anything without a pattern of some kind.

    I am the opposite. I suck at following crochet patterns. Most of what I make is pretty much conjured out of thin air. I couldn't even write a pattern because most of the time I don't bother writing down what I did.
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    Post by: Thipu1 on July 02, 2013, 05:09:18 PM
    My Grandmother was like that.  She was incapable of following knitting or crochet instructions from a magazine.  However, if she was shown a completed project, she could figure out how to make an exact copy. 
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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on July 02, 2013, 05:17:09 PM
    A friend of my parents was an avid knitter.  She could take any pattern and resize it or do anything with it she liked.  Her one grandson was a huge fan of teenaged mutant ninja turtles.  She got him to draw her a picture - he was a really good artist - she graphed it and knit him a sweater with his picture on it for Christmas!  She was incredible.
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    Post by: blue2000 on July 02, 2013, 05:41:38 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern. 


    This is me with crocheting.  I get so many compliments on my scarves and shawls.  I just pick a pretty yarn and follow the pattern until it's done.  I absolutely cannot make anything without a pattern of some kind.

    I am the opposite. I suck at following crochet patterns. Most of what I make is pretty much conjured out of thin air. I couldn't even write a pattern because most of the time I don't bother writing down what I did.

    Me too. I sewed and knitted for my dolls when I was young, but I can't follow a knitting pattern to save my life. It is easier for me to eyeball it.
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    Post by: JadeGirl on July 02, 2013, 06:55:56 PM
    I'm an "improver" when it comes to crochet and sewing patterns. Couldn't figure out how to create a pattern, but I am good at tweaking to make an item look nicer (to me) or fit better.

    I'm an archer and I fletch my own arrows. I consider this to be a craft as I spend a great deal of time  working on materials and colour scheme, as well as taking pride in a nicely-finished product.

    It's important to me that the arrow shafts are carefully cleaned of all remnants of old fletchings but without damaging the shaft surface (some of my arrows are laminated with carbon fibre).. I ensure that the new feathers or plastic vanes are perfectly aligned, colour-co-ordinate with the shafts, wrapping and nocks, and that the colour scheme is harmonious but different enough so I can identify my shafts in a target or field setting. I also take pains to remove any excess glue or fletching tape so that my arrows look neat and if I'm using holographic or reflective materials, this ensures maximum sparkle  :P

    I haven't been shooting for long, but it wasn't hard to learn how to fletch and I invested in quality tools and materials.  I bought a cast metal jig that bolts to my craft table instead of a cheaper plastic one, and put the arrow components on individually instead of using an "all in one" load and push device. My way is slower but works well for me.

    Thankfully I've only run into a couple of people who have asked me to make arrows for them. You see, it's cheaper to order the components and make them up yourself. Archery shops will charge a minimum fee of $10 per shaft for completed arrows on top of the price of parts and you are limited with respect to fletching options and must order at least 1 dozen. One person even expected me to order the components for him! I would have no idea what to order as you need to know certain information about the person's equipment and body measurements to order the right parts.

    My arrows range from about $15 to $50 a shaft for components only. It takes around 15 minutes to complete one new arrow from scratch or to recondition and re-fletch an old shaft. That's actual hands-on time only. I'm planning to start dying and cutting my own feathers soon which will add even more time.

    Thankfully it only seems to be newer archers who ask for favours. No I will not make you a dozen arrows for next Saturday. It takes a week for the supplies to arrive and I have other things planned for next Friday night! Plus it took me ages to source the components for my unusual colour scheme. I'll give you pointers but you need to do your own homework.

     I think it's a bit cheeky to ask a fellow newbie for professional services. Yes I picked it up quickly but that's probably because making arrows uses some of the same abilities that I earned over years of doing other crafts. It's about the same level of difficulty as putting on false eye lashes, doing a french manicure or beading with seed beads. Crafty people don't have a craft "gene". It can take months or years of practice and investment in good tools/materials to turn out good quality pieces therefore we don't "owe" the fruits of our labour to anyone who asks!
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    Post by: BB-VA on July 02, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
    Old joke about artistic symbolism:

    Little Billy's kindergarten teacher sent a note home to his parents - she was VERY worried about his pictures all being done in black crayon.    The parents became alarmed, and immediately made an appointment with a child psychiatrist.

    Billy goes to his appointment, and the psychiatrist goes through all the things that shrinks do to make Billy comfortable, and finally gets to the big questions - was Billy unhappy, were the other kids mean to him, did his parents abuse him, etc. etc. etc.  Billy answers no to all the questions. 

    The psychiatrist finally gets fed up at not finding an answer to the stock questions.  In exasperation, he finally asks Billy - WHY are all your pictures done in black?  To which Billy answers, "It's the only crayon I have left."

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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 03, 2013, 08:39:44 AM
    I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

    However, I have invested over $$$$ in my jewelry craft. I craft for myself primarily, as I have seen very few I give pieces to appreciate the time that went into them. I have the right lighting, good quality tools, I refuse to use plastic or acrylic beads, and I have a lot of crystal, pearls, and gemstone beads as well as sterling silver wire and findings.
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    Post by: Shalamar on July 03, 2013, 08:41:39 AM
    Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)
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    Post by: Thipu1 on July 03, 2013, 08:42:59 AM
    Old joke about artistic symbolism:

    Little Billy's kindergarten teacher sent a note home to his parents - she was VERY worried about his pictures all being done in black crayon.    The parents became alarmed, and immediately made an appointment with a child psychiatrist.

    Billy goes to his appointment, and the psychiatrist goes through all the things that shrinks do to make Billy comfortable, and finally gets to the big questions - was Billy unhappy, were the other kids mean to him, did his parents abuse him, etc. etc. etc.  Billy answers no to all the questions. 

    The psychiatrist finally gets fed up at not finding an answer to the stock questions.  In exasperation,
    he finally asks Billy - WHY are all your pictures done in black?  To which Billy answers, "It's the only crayon I have left."

    I love this story!

     In the version I heard, young Bobby's last name was 'Zimmerman'. As a result, he was always the
    last child to be  called when crayons were distributed. Therefore, the only colors he could use were grey and black.
       
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on July 03, 2013, 09:44:56 AM
    My friend Emma is pretty creative and crafty, and very into jewelry and fashion. A while ago she got into making beaded jewelry. I fear she is the kind of crafty person that a lot of people encounter, who makes them think it's okay to be greedy and demanding about crafts, because she doesn't have much spine and absolutely no head for business.

    Emma was deeply in debt and had the idea of making and selling jewelry on the side as a way to, specifically, earn extra money. But, she didn't take the cost of the materials she had to buy into account when pricing her pieces, let alone the hours she spent working on them! She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200. Then she would sell her versions for $25 or $40 or something like that. Now if the people she was selling to were the type to contemplate paying $200 for a necklace, they would have understood and appreciated the bargain she was giving them, but honestly the people she targeted were more likely to think $25 was pricy for a necklace, and to have never heard of the designer Emma was copying.

    She was also insistent on using very pricy materials, like gemstone and Swarovski crystal beads, instead of glass that would have looked perfectly fine, and been more in line with the amount she was charging people. In other words, she didn't charge more for a necklace of real gemstones than she did for one of similarly-colored glass beads. Also, she took custom orders, meaning she ended up buying large packages of beads just to get a handful of specific ones to make one necklace. Sometimes she charged a bit more for those, but never what could actually cover her costs.

    She complained to me that she got all kinds of ridiculous requests/demands, people with very specific ideas, people who didn't want to pay the price she charged, people who commissioned her to do custom work then said they didn't like it and gave it back without paying (which is one thing if the work isn't good quality or it was not made as agreed, but quite another if when you finally see it, you just realize you don't like those colors together). Certainly not everyone who gets crazy requests is somehow at fault, but given that Emma usually bent over backwards trying to accommodate them, I have to think she was only perpetuating this behavior in her "customers"...  :P
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    Post by: TeamBhakta on July 03, 2013, 09:46:45 AM
    I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

    Are they phrasing it as "Your prices are too high. I would never pay that much" or "I'm afraid that's out of my price range" ? To me those would be two different sentiments. The first being a bit too blunt (unless you directly asked "what would you be willing to pay"), while the other would be acceptable if it was said politely and without "oh my, I could buy that at Walmart for $5."

    She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

    She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 03, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
    I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

    Are they phrasing it as "Your prices are too high. I would never pay that much" or "I'm afraid that's out of my price range" ? To me those would be two different sentiments. The first being a bit too blunt (unless you directly asked "what would you be willing to pay"), while the other would be acceptable if it was said politely and without "oh my, I could buy that at Walmart for $5."

    She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

    She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???

    The bolded is what I usually hear.
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    Post by: rose red on July 03, 2013, 10:41:04 AM
    I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

    Are they phrasing it as "Your prices are too high. I would never pay that much" or "I'm afraid that's out of my price range" ? To me those would be two different sentiments. The first being a bit too blunt (unless you directly asked "what would you be willing to pay"), while the other would be acceptable if it was said politely and without "oh my, I could buy that at Walmart for $5."

    She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

    She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???

    The bolded is what I usually hear.

    That jumped out at me too.  She better start checking to see if the designs are copyrighted or patented or whatever the correct word is.
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    Post by: Giraffe, Esq on July 03, 2013, 12:40:56 PM
    All the fundraising auctions reminded me of an experience I had -- as the one asking.

    I was helping coordinate a fundraiser for the arts school at which I taught dance.  One of the elements was a silent auction and one of the items up for bid was from a woman who made amazing cheesecakes.  She donated a few for the dessert table at the event and I'd had some of hers before and I was so excited about her item -- she was offering either two full-sized cheesecakes or a cheesecake-making class!

    It turned out to be a popular item.  She'd priced it as valued at $50 and once it got up to almost $100, I had to drop out of the bidding.  At the moment, I was unemployed (dance was out for the summer) and just back from a year of working/travelling abroad.  So money was tight.

    I told her that the bidding got past my budget, but would she be willing to do a class for me at the price she'd stated as the value?

    She said she'd do it for free if I made "a donation" to the arts school!  My mom, two friends, and I went and had a marvelous time and I still use her cheesecake recipe and baking tips.

    Even though she was friends with my mom, and not just some random co-volunteer, I would never have contemplated asking her to do a class for me for free, so I was (happily) astonished when she made the offer. 
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    Post by: BB-VA on July 03, 2013, 01:39:26 PM
    Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

    A college English instructor told my class a story about a former student who was getting some stories in shape to submit to a publisher.  The student was working with another professor, and had a meeting with that professor next day to go over the stories and put all the symbols in. 

    Don't know if it was true or not, but this particular English instructor didn't think much of looking for symbolism in stories.
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on July 03, 2013, 02:19:18 PM
    She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

    She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???

    Yeah, yet another dodgy aspect to the whole thing. Mostly she was copying their particular technique of braided bead chains as opposed to making exact replicas of each piece. But, she kept going back to the designer's website and showing me how she'd made a pink one, and they had a pink one, and she'd made one with skull beads, because they had one with skull beads. Not only was it a little shady ethically, but again, the people she was selling to couldn't care less that they had something that looked like Designer X's jewelry. Plus, she was good at making original patterns with the same general technique. I think it was just all part of Emma putting emphasis on the wrong parts of the project.
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    Post by: eport on July 03, 2013, 03:58:38 PM
    Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

    A college English instructor told my class a story about a former student who was getting some stories in shape to submit to a publisher.  The student was working with another professor, and had a meeting with that professor next day to go over the stories and put all the symbols in. 

    Don't know if it was true or not, but this particular English instructor didn't think much of looking for symbolism in stories.

    I had a lit class in college with a professor who had been a graduate assistant under a very recognizable author who's book we were reading (bonus point were given if we figured out that the prof was thanked in the acknowlegement section in the book  ;)). Several lit majors in the class were discussing a particular part of the chapter we were on and disagree on what the symbolism meant. the discussion grew slightly heated. Then class ended and the prof said we would start with that issue in the next session.

    Next session started with the prof saying "Well, I called *author's first name* last night and he was both of those ideas are crap and he choose *item* because it would make sense both for the time period and location." The real lesson we learned that day was that "everything  does not have a hidden meaning" and both the prof and author wanted us to learn that. It was awesome as sometimes I just want to enjoy the story rather than breaking every word apart for a meaning that the author may or may not have intended.
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    Post by: BB-VA on July 03, 2013, 04:12:02 PM
    My 11th grade English teacher ruined reading for me for MONTHS with the "there's only one meaning in this book and this is what it is" approach.  It always made me wish for a time machine so I could go back in time and ASK the author what they meant. 
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    Post by: nuit93 on July 03, 2013, 04:31:26 PM
    I remember hearing somewhere that John Lennon had written "I Am The Walrus" after finding out that students were studying some of his other lyrics as poetry.  Only he hadn't meant any hidden meaning in the lyrics, he just wanted to mess with people who went looking for them.
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    Post by: Jocelyn on July 03, 2013, 04:34:18 PM
    Forgive me for getting a bit off-topic, but I love this thread and secretly want to see updates.

    Years ago a club in which we were active had an annual Event.  Each family was required to donate one pie.  Many of us did not have the time or skill required, so went to a bakery or Perkins and spent $12.00.  The club officer cut each donated pie into 8 slices which were sold for $1.00 each, (often to ourselves,) and the club had an $8.00 profit from each donated pie!  Hurray!
    Many years ago, my mother killed the annual bake sale for her women's group, by announcing that she was too busy to bake something that would sell for less than the cost of ingredients, so she would just donate the cost of the ingredients. There was a stunned silence, then most of the rest of the club joined her. By the end of the meeting, they had more pledged than they'd ever made at the bake sale, and that was the last time anyone suggested having one- after that, they had an annual no-bake sale, to which everyone donated cash.  >:D
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    Post by: Coruscation on July 03, 2013, 04:44:51 PM
    My cousin did an assignment once. It was to analyse three poems for meaning. He found two and wrote about them but couldn't find a third that he liked. So he wrote one and analysed it, attaching a copy of all three poems to his assignment with his name attached to the one he wrote.  His teacher failed him for that section of the assignment saying that he didn't understand the poem at all. He refused to change the mark when my cousin pointed out that he was the author, claiming that he knew that.

    Oddly, cousin still passed as his analysis of the other two poems was good.
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    Post by: kckgirl on July 03, 2013, 04:52:20 PM
    I was done with bake sales when I made a cheesecake topped with cherries for a fundraiser to pay for our work holiday party. A man came in as soon as we started and wanted the whole thing. He asked how much we were charging, and the organizer told him $5. That was my last donation to a work bake sale. It brought less than half the cost of ingredients. We would have gotten at least $1 per slice. I would have preferred the unbake sale mentioned above.
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    Post by: Jocelyn on July 03, 2013, 04:57:52 PM


    She once talked me into buying three pretty but simple padded quilt squares with a ribbon design with the hopes that I would recreate these myself for upcoming holiday gifts.   
    FYI- if anyone thinks about making potholders this way, DO NOT use polyester batting. I already knew this, but it was brought home to me when I was home this past week, and used a potholder to put a casserole dish into its basket. The dish was oven-hot, and the corner of the potholder got stuck between the basket and the dish, and after trying several times to remove it, I just put it on the table as it was. After dinner, I pulled the cooled dish out of the basket...and the corner of the potholder had melted and fused into a shape molded by the corner of the hot dish. There was also another long gash where the fabric had melted (it must have been polyester, too). I was just lucky I hadn't gotten any of that melted ******* on my hands...
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    Post by: Thipu1 on July 03, 2013, 05:00:19 PM
    Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

    I remember a similar story involving Marshall McLuhan.  In a Woody Allen movie, he was standing between Woody and his date and a twit who was holding forth on 'The Medium is the Message'. 

    In the movie, McLuhan turns around and confronts the idiot. 

    'Excuse me.  I'm Marshall McLuhan and you know nothing about my work'.
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    Post by: Hillia on July 03, 2013, 05:08:04 PM
    Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

    I remember a similar story involving Marshall McLuhan.  In a Woody Allen movie, he was standing between Woody and his date and a twit who was holding forth on 'The Medium is the Message'. 

    In the movie, McLuhan turns around and confronts the idiot. 

    'Excuse me.  I'm Marshall McLuhan and you know nothing about my work'.

    Or the Rodney Dangerfield movie 'Back to School'...he plays an extremely wealthy man who goes back to college to encourage his son to finish.  He hires Kurt Vonnegut to write his English paper on Kurt Vonnegut, and the paper fails because 'he knows nothing about Kurt Vonnegut'.
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    Post by: Jocelyn on July 03, 2013, 05:08:28 PM
      One poster wrote this wonderful post about what memories the pattern of the fabric brought up for her, and how she might design around those images.  I was floored...the best I could come up with was matching the colors of the print!

    (and shamefully, years later, I *still* haven't done anything with that fabric).
    I got this from a Jinny Beyer workshop years ago. She showed 2 quilts, one where she exactly matched the colors in the main print, one in which she did the same design but went a shade darker or lighter than the print. It was astounding how much more vivid and lively the second quilt was. Then she showed a third quilt, where she used several shades of each of the colors in the print...3 shades of purple, 3-4 shades of blue,  ranging from a close match (as in quilt 2) to being very much lighter or darker. The third quilt, most of the audience agreed, was by far the most interesting.
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    Post by: poundcake on July 03, 2013, 06:10:32 PM
    Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

    I remember a similar story involving Marshall McLuhan.  In a Woody Allen movie, he was standing between Woody and his date and a twit who was holding forth on 'The Medium is the Message'. 

    In the movie, McLuhan turns around and confronts the idiot. 

    'Excuse me.  I'm Marshall McLuhan and you know nothing about my work'.

    Four words: "Death of the Author."  >:D
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    Post by: Elfmama on July 03, 2013, 08:31:32 PM
      One poster wrote this wonderful post about what memories the pattern of the fabric brought up for her, and how she might design around those images.  I was floored...the best I could come up with was matching the colors of the print!

    (and shamefully, years later, I *still* haven't done anything with that fabric).
    I got this from a Jinny Beyer workshop years ago. She showed 2 quilts, one where she exactly matched the colors in the main print, one in which she did the same design but went a shade darker or lighter than the print. It was astounding how much more vivid and lively the second quilt was. Then she showed a third quilt, where she used several shades of each of the colors in the print...3 shades of purple, 3-4 shades of blue,  ranging from a close match (as in quilt 2) to being very much lighter or darker. The third quilt, most of the audience agreed, was by far the most interesting.
    Which is why I have Great Wall of Fabric.  I bought this panel:

    (http://www.equilter.com/TTREELBK.jpg)

    and put an inner Flying Geese border in about 15 different fabrics, all shades of turquoise and blue and purple.  If you use that many fabrics, it doesn't matter if you run out of something -- you just substitute something else! 
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    Post by: Minmom3 on July 03, 2013, 09:24:38 PM


    She once talked me into buying three pretty but simple padded quilt squares with a ribbon design with the hopes that I would recreate these myself for upcoming holiday gifts.   
    FYI- if anyone thinks about making potholders this way, DO NOT use polyester batting. I already knew this, but it was brought home to me when I was home this past week, and used a potholder to put a casserole dish into its basket. The dish was oven-hot, and the corner of the potholder got stuck between the basket and the dish, and after trying several times to remove it, I just put it on the table as it was. After dinner, I pulled the cooled dish out of the basket...and the corner of the potholder had melted and fused into a shape molded by the corner of the hot dish. There was also another long gash where the fabric had melted (it must have been polyester, too). I was just lucky I hadn't gotten any of that melted ******* on my hands...

    Use cotton or wool batting when making pot holders, and cotton or wool on the outside.  FIL burned several of the potholders I made him, but he never melted them, and never hurt his hands.  My pot holders were loved and replacements requested when the old set got too bedraggled to function anymore.  FIL had a gift for destroying my potholders...  But he really did like that they protected his hands so well, as he had neuropathy after having chemo, and didn't always notice when things were too hot to be safe.
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    Post by: weeblewobble on July 03, 2013, 10:28:15 PM


    On another note, for the lady who's afraid to take her gorgeous cross stitch to Micheal's to have it framed, because of an entitlement poisoned mother whose daughter works there and might make it disappear, I would have gone right to a manager too, and told them what that entitlehog told me. After all, they might like to know they've got a potential thief working for them. Or perhaps daughter might end up having words with her mother, about how such entitled ranting could make her lose her job.

    Did I miss this post?
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    Post by: Dindrane on July 03, 2013, 10:33:54 PM


    On another note, for the lady who's afraid to take her gorgeous cross stitch to Micheal's to have it framed, because of an entitlement poisoned mother whose daughter works there and might make it disappear, I would have gone right to a manager too, and told them what that entitlehog told me. After all, they might like to know they've got a potential thief working for them. Or perhaps daughter might end up having words with her mother, about how such entitled ranting could make her lose her job.

    Did I miss this post?

    It's this one:

    I made this a while ago http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55)

      took it to Michael's to get it framed...and heard from a child in back of me 'Mommy, Can I have that for my room?"  and the mother agreed. She sauntered over looked at me and said " Allison wants that."

    Me: " I want it too, and because I stitched it, I am keeping it."

    Mom: "Allison wants it, and she gets what she wants."

    Me: I used XXX pattern, DMC threads, and it took me 6months to do. good luck doing it for her!"

    Mom: " I will just have yours, my older daughter works here and she'll bring it home."
     
      I did not end up leaving it and it still sits,rolled up in a tube because I won't risk it again. Someday I will have to take a course in framing and matting. :(
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    Post by: christmascarol on July 04, 2013, 04:35:42 AM
    I know a very talented man called David Wood  http://www.david-j-wood.co.uk/Recent.htm

    As well as painting, he writes plays.  When he directed one in an am dram contest, the judge said he didn't think the director had quite grasped what the author meant...  I wish I'd been there to see his face when the cast collapsed in hysterics.

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    Post by: Black Delphinium on July 04, 2013, 08:53:08 AM
    I know a very talented man called David Wood  http://www.david-j-wood.co.uk/Recent.htm

    As well as painting, he writes plays.  When he directed one in an am dram contest, the judge said he didn't think the director had quite grasped what the author meant...  I wish I'd been there to see his face when the cast collapsed in hysterics.
    That is just lovely.
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    Post by: christmascarol on July 04, 2013, 09:30:00 AM
    It all ended on very friendly terms on both sides so yes, it was lovely :-)
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    Post by: Sirius on July 04, 2013, 01:17:31 PM
    And I tend to be the other way around.  I can sew very well, and so many people say that I'm 'creative', but honestly, I'm a mechanic.  I can follow a pattern. I can pick out a cool fabric and follow a pattern. I can even, sometimes, come up with something from a picture.   But PLEASE, please don't ask me to design something with an offset hem, or off the shoulder, or even try to decide where to put a line of lace.  I simply can NOT make something from nothing.  It doesn't exist in my head.  I need directions and a pattern.

    This is the way I am when playing the clarinet.  I can follow music and play it well, but don't ask me to improvise or transpose in my head because I can't do it.  I'd love to be able to play like Benny Goodman, but he had real talent; I am merely a competent technician.  Now, with sewing, I'm about halfway between "mechanic" and "artistic".  There are some things I can design, but nothing really complicated. 
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    Post by: KB on July 04, 2013, 05:55:31 PM
    Four words: "Death of the Author."  >:D

    Hear, hear...
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    Post by: Cami on July 04, 2013, 07:13:58 PM
    I made this a while ago http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/369401065_27eb23826c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://januarysstitchingblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/sampler-teresa-wentzler_10.html&h=500&w=375&sz=181&tbnid=aGs54EqKxxjdGM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&zoom=1&usg=__AqxrznEFmfegIbjvDxj69NCdvGE=&docid=Dx-q8tvOWeImwM&sa=X&ei=OMbIUam7MYXJ4AOwoIHABA&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBw&dur=55)

      took it to Michael's to get it framed...and heard from a child in back of me 'Mommy, Can I have that for my room?"  and the mother agreed. She sauntered over looked at me and said " Allison wants that."

    Me: " I want it too, and because I stitched it, I am keeping it."

    Mom: "Allison wants it, and she gets what she wants."

    Me: I used XXX pattern, DMC threads, and it took me 6months to do. good luck doing it for her!"

    Mom: " I will just have yours, my older daughter works here and she'll bring it home."
     
      I did not end up leaving it and it still sits,rolled up in a tube because I won't risk it again. Someday I will have to take a course in framing and matting. :(
    Surely there are other places that do framing than that one store?
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    Post by: Amara on July 05, 2013, 12:20:56 AM
    Snowdragon, I have been thinking about your beautiful piece a lot and the worry about taking it to that particular store. You ought to have it framed; it belongs on your walls! Do you think it would be worth making an appointment with the primary store manager and meeting with her/him to show him your piece, tell her what happened, and ask the manager (and maybe the frame shop manager or lead person) to personally take charge of it and see it through to completion, thus ensuring its safety?
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    Post by: LilacGirl1983 on July 05, 2013, 09:44:52 AM
    Hey ladies.. I was reading your thread. I want to save up for 2 twin sized quilts for my son and daughter's bed. How much should I plan on? I was thinking something like this but with the name and birthdate on it

    http://www.google.com/search?q=baby+quilts+with+name+embroidered&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=TtvWUdH1H_PlyAGAtIGgDw&ved=0CE4QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=887#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=DEWEyIj7W31aCM%3A%3B8qPL4cmmflGPtM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimage.dhgate.com%252Falbu_314357777_00-1.0x0%252Fbaby-quilt-play-mat-nursery-cotton-bedding.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dhgate.com%252Fproduct%252Fbaby-quilt-play-mat-nursery-cotton-bedding%252F154795107.html%3B800%3B800

    Blue themed for our newborn and purple for the boarder for our 5 year old...Not expecting it rushed.. I would love to save up for it and then pay honest price. Never asked for something custom made so sorry if I offend.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: stitchygreyanonymouse on July 05, 2013, 10:01:38 AM
    This might be a better search for you to run: http://www.etsy.com/search?q=baby%20quilt%20name%20embroidered&view_type=gallery&ship_to=US (especially since some of those photos came from Etsy).

    Every quilter is going to have his or her own price scheme for something like this, so your better bet is to find someone who makes quilts like that and ask them.

    To give you a ballpark idea, though, I regularly spend around $100 for just the materials (fabric, batting, thread) that would go into a quilt that is twin-sized. If you are asking specifically about the design that comes up after page load (with the owl), that uses something called applique that involves more work than just piecing together a quilt—so, more time to make it, meaning more labor involved.

    I don't sell my quilts, but I would expect to pay something like $350 for a twin-sized version of that owl quilt, based on materials cost and how long I think it might take to make, and that is on the absolute low end.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Jocelyn on July 05, 2013, 11:31:31 AM
    Lilacgirl,
    It's the details that cost. It's also the details that make it special.
    First, you need to find a quilter who has a sewing machine that will do embroidery. Not all of us have them. They're computerized, and the machine embroiders a multi-colored picture. I don't have an embroidery machine, but I'd guess that the more colors in the design, the more a person would charge for the design, because she has to do more work in changing colors and making sure the picture lines up right to add the next colors. But you might get lucky with finding someone who is very skilled and doesn't charge extra for it. :)
    The pictures on the page I looked at range from some very easy ones, to some more complex ones. The alternating 6" squares would be cheaper than anything using small pieces. Small pieces take longer to cut out, longer to sew back together, and there's more fabric wasted in seam allowances. I'm working on a quilt using some 6" blocks, and I was astounded at how quickly it went together.
    Then, there's the quilting. If you're working with someone who has a longarm quilting machine, she will be able to do this faster than someone who quilts on a regular sewing machine. However, that varies, with the skill a quilter has using the machines! So you might find someone who is really skilled with a standard sewing machine, as opposed to someone who just bought her longarm and is still learning how to use it. Then there are people like me, who hire quilters to machine quilt for them! So don't assume that because someone knows how to piece a top, she'll be able to piece a quilt AND finish it for you. :)

    I'd recommend that you attend quilt shows and craft shows, looking for something you like, and then ask the maker if she takes commissions. Or check for a local quilt guild, go to a meeting, and ask. Hunt quilt pictures on the Internet, and take a folder of ideas with you, like you'd do if you were going to a new hair stylist. Ask what sorts of fabrics she wants to use, whether she wants you to buy it, and where she will buy it. There are Internet stores like Hancocks of Paducah that sell top-quality quilting fabric for less. Many of us will not agree to work on cheap fabric because we know it won't hold up long-term, especially for a kid's quilt which is going to get wallowed around upon and spilled on and washed more often than an adult's quilt.

    Quilters love the idea of making quilts accessible to the next generation. :) I don't do quilting for hire, but I'll bet there's someone out there who will be charmed with the idea of making quilts for your kids, and who will help you work out a way to get it done.






















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    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: magicdomino on July 05, 2013, 12:53:02 PM

     
      I did not end up leaving it and it still sits,rolled up in a tube because I won't risk it again. Someday I will have to take a course in framing and matting. :(
    Surely there are other places that do framing than that one store?

    Don't be afraid to check professional  framing shops.  I've noticed that Michael's (and probably A.C. Moore) have very high regular prices to compensate for the frequent 50% off coupons.  The little framing shop near my office isn't cheap, but it isn't much more than Michael's, and the work is done in house rather than shipped off.   
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Raina on July 05, 2013, 01:27:07 PM
    Thank you for this thread! It makes me feel not so alone :)

    I've always been a pretty good baker and I regularly make goods at home for DH and myself to enjoy.  I've also recently learned to quilt, having wanted to for years and finally got my first sewing machine in January.  Somehow, I got it into my head that in addition to a smaller purchased gift for SIL's birthday several months ago, I also wanted to make her a quilt since she's complained of always being cold in her apt, etc.  Plus I'm new to this craft and wanted to practice, and it gave me an excuse to buy more fabric  >:D

    After spending more than $80 on materials (normal bday budget is $20, which SIL set the rule for) and 30 hours piecing and quilting, it was complete and DH and I both thought it was great.  I'm not invited to their family time on the weekends so sent DH with the gifts for her and this is what he reported back to me:


    SIL: (opening gifts) Oh... Is this a quilt? Did Raina make this?
    DH: She sure did! We thought you could use it for the couch or something since you said you're always cold.
    SIL: Well... It's very well coordinated...
    DH: She spent weeks making it and designing it.
    SIL: Where's my birthday cake? Did Raina make one for me?
    DH: No, she didn't have time because she spent so much time on the quilt.
    SIL: But I already told my co-workers that I'd share my cake with them!!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: kckgirl on July 05, 2013, 01:29:19 PM
    I think that's the last cake or quilt I'd make for that SIL.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: jedikaiti on July 05, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
    Did DH take the quilt back?

    And yea, she wouldn't be getting squat from me ever again.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: stitchygreyanonymouse on July 05, 2013, 01:44:14 PM
    Thank you for this thread! It makes me feel not so alone :)

    I've always been a pretty good baker and I regularly make goods at home for DH and myself to enjoy.  I've also recently learned to quilt, having wanted to for years and finally got my first sewing machine in January.  Somehow, I got it into my head that in addition to a smaller purchased gift for SIL's birthday several months ago, I also wanted to make her a quilt since she's complained of always being cold in her apt, etc.  Plus I'm new to this craft and wanted to practice, and it gave me an excuse to buy more fabric  >:D

    After spending more than $80 on materials (normal bday budget is $20, which SIL set the rule for) and 30 hours piecing and quilting, it was complete and DH and I both thought it was great. I'm not invited to their family time on the weekends so sent DH with the gifts for her and this is what he reported back to me:


    SIL: (opening gifts) Oh... Is this a quilt? Did Raina make this?
    DH: She sure did! We thought you could use it for the couch or something since you said you're always cold.
    SIL: Well... It's very well coordinated...
    DH: She spent weeks making it and designing it.
    SIL: Where's my birthday cake? Did Raina make one for me?
    DH: No, she didn't have time because she spent so much time on the quilt.
    SIL: But I already told my co-workers that I'd share my cake with them!!

    I’m getting hung up on why you would make someone who has events that you're not allowed to attend a quilt.

    But after that conversation, I certainly wouldn't be baking, sewing, or buying for her ever again.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Girlie on July 05, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
    I’m getting hung up on why you would make someone who has events that you're not allowed to attend a quilt.

    But after that conversation, I certainly wouldn't be baking, sewing, or buying for her ever again.

    I was thinking the exact same thing.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: amylouky on July 05, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
    http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store (http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store)

    This story kills me. Short version, a group of quilters donated several handmade quilts to the Red Cross, to be given to victims of a tornado that wiped out a town near me last year.
    Forward about a month, one of the quilters sees her quilts for sale at a local thrift shop. For $50.
    I don't even do quilts, or craft anything well enough to sell, but I was angry on their behalf.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: jedikaiti on July 05, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
    Thank you for this thread! It makes me feel not so alone :)

    I've always been a pretty good baker and I regularly make goods at home for DH and myself to enjoy.  I've also recently learned to quilt, having wanted to for years and finally got my first sewing machine in January.  Somehow, I got it into my head that in addition to a smaller purchased gift for SIL's birthday several months ago, I also wanted to make her a quilt since she's complained of always being cold in her apt, etc.  Plus I'm new to this craft and wanted to practice, and it gave me an excuse to buy more fabric  >:D

    After spending more than $80 on materials (normal bday budget is $20, which SIL set the rule for) and 30 hours piecing and quilting, it was complete and DH and I both thought it was great. I'm not invited to their family time on the weekends so sent DH with the gifts for her and this is what he reported back to me:


    SIL: (opening gifts) Oh... Is this a quilt? Did Raina make this?
    DH: She sure did! We thought you could use it for the couch or something since you said you're always cold.
    SIL: Well... It's very well coordinated...
    DH: She spent weeks making it and designing it.
    SIL: Where's my birthday cake? Did Raina make one for me?
    DH: No, she didn't have time because she spent so much time on the quilt.
    SIL: But I already told my co-workers that I'd share my cake with them!!

    I’m getting hung up on why you would make someone who has events that you're not allowed to attend a quilt.

    But after that conversation, I certainly wouldn't be baking, sewing, or buying for her ever again.

    That, too. Are you the only excluded spouse, or is it bio family only?
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: amylouky on July 05, 2013, 01:59:19 PM
    Thank you for this thread! It makes me feel not so alone :)

    I've always been a pretty good baker and I regularly make goods at home for DH and myself to enjoy.  I've also recently learned to quilt, having wanted to for years and finally got my first sewing machine in January.  Somehow, I got it into my head that in addition to a smaller purchased gift for SIL's birthday several months ago, I also wanted to make her a quilt since she's complained of always being cold in her apt, etc.  Plus I'm new to this craft and wanted to practice, and it gave me an excuse to buy more fabric  >:D

    After spending more than $80 on materials (normal bday budget is $20, which SIL set the rule for) and 30 hours piecing and quilting, it was complete and DH and I both thought it was great.  I'm not invited to their family time on the weekends so sent DH with the gifts for her and this is what he reported back to me:


    SIL: (opening gifts) Oh... Is this a quilt? Did Raina make this?
    DH: She sure did! We thought you could use it for the couch or something since you said you're always cold.
    SIL: Well... It's very well coordinated...
    DH: She spent weeks making it and designing it.
    SIL: Where's my birthday cake? Did Raina make one for me?
    DH: No, she didn't have time because she spent so much time on the quilt.
    SIL: But I already told my co-workers that I'd share my cake with them!!

    So, wait. SIL has a birthday celebration (even if it's during normal family time) to which you are NOT INVITED.. and has the nerve to complain that you didn't send along a cake in addition to the beautiful handmade gift?

    The mind, it boggles.

    It does raise the question of what is up with the family-only time, though. I wouldn't go to something that my DH wasn't allowed to attend.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: BarensMom on July 05, 2013, 02:03:33 PM
    Thank you for this thread! It makes me feel not so alone :)

    I've always been a pretty good baker and I regularly make goods at home for DH and myself to enjoy.  I've also recently learned to quilt, having wanted to for years and finally got my first sewing machine in January.  Somehow, I got it into my head that in addition to a smaller purchased gift for SIL's birthday several months ago, I also wanted to make her a quilt since she's complained of always being cold in her apt, etc.  Plus I'm new to this craft and wanted to practice, and it gave me an excuse to buy more fabric  >:D

    After spending more than $80 on materials (normal bday budget is $20, which SIL set the rule for) and 30 hours piecing and quilting, it was complete and DH and I both thought it was great. I'm not invited to their family time on the weekends so sent DH with the gifts for her and this is what he reported back to me:


    SIL: (opening gifts) Oh... Is this a quilt? Did Raina make this?
    DH: She sure did! We thought you could use it for the couch or something since you said you're always cold.
    SIL: Well... It's very well coordinated...
    DH: She spent weeks making it and designing it.
    SIL: Where's my birthday cake? Did Raina make one for me?
    DH: No, she didn't have time because she spent so much time on the quilt.
    SIL: But I already told my co-workers that I'd share my cake with them!!

    I’m getting hung up on why you would make someone who has events that you're not allowed to attend a quilt.

    But after that conversation, I certainly wouldn't be baking, sewing, or buying for her ever again.

    That, too. Are you the only excluded spouse, or is it bio family only?

    I'm boggled that Raina's DH would go to an event where his wife wasn't welcome and that Raina is okay with that.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Amara on July 05, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
    Raina, are you not considered family? By your husband or his family? I am aghast at the idea.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: rose red on July 05, 2013, 02:26:41 PM
    Even without the issue of the quilt, she expected you to make a cake for a party you were shut out off?  Why?  Because it's family?  Oh, wait...
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: BarensMom on July 05, 2013, 02:29:19 PM
    The post about the Red Cross quilt made me remember this story from my knitting instructor:

    Instructor leads a group of volunteers to knit squares for "Warm Up America."  Instructor and others in the group will sometimes knit up to 25 coordinated squares to make 1 afghan, other times, it is a collection of random colors/styles/yarns grouped together.  All the resulting afghans were being donated to an abused women and children's shelter in the county.  That ended when she saw one of the coordinated afghans decorating the wall of the shelter director's office.  The afghans are now donated elsewhere.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Raina on July 05, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
    It's...an interesting situation, to say the least.  DH's family is insensitive? on many levels either by their ignorance, selfishness, or refusal to recognize that the world doesn't revolve around them.  DH is completely different from them and I think he is the way he is (laid back, responsible, loyal, etc) because they are the way they are.

    Every weekend, he and SIL go over to MIL's house (FIL passed before DH and I got together) to hang out with her for a bit, DH helps around the house if needed, then he and SIL go work out together (she won't go without him).  This has been their routine for 15+ years? I'm not invited because they wouldn't think to and they're not welcoming to me so I wouldn't really want to.  DH has learned from our past experiences that when they exclude me from things, he's not supposed to be laid back about it and he's supposed to stick up for me, like when they blatantly didn't invite me to their Christmas gathering.  This particular thing though, I've never been asked to come over, and as it happens every single week, it's not worth causing a huge fuss over.

    The in laws are prone to extreme drama and I try to save our efforts for the bigger grievances.  I chalk this up to this is how his family has done it for years and they're not going to change anytime soon.  Plus, if I'd been there in person, I'm not so sure I could've stopped evilRaina from speaking quite rudely.

    Definitely no more handmade (or handbaked!) gifts for people who don't appreciate them though!

    I think SIL was wanting another creation similar to the 7 layer chocolate truffle cake I made as her gift on a different year.  You'd think I'd learn to stop hoping his family would appreciate anything  ;D
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Cami on July 05, 2013, 03:21:22 PM
    Even without the issue of the quilt, she expected you to make a cake for a party you were shut out off?  Why?  Because it's family?  Oh, wait...
    Reminds me of something that happened to me years ago. I threw a bridal shower for my assistant at work. A few days later, a staff member at the shower asked me if I'd throw a bridal shower for her. I was nonplussed as she'd made no bones about her dislike of me. So I responded, "Oh. Does that mean I'm invited to your wedding?"  She looked shocked and aghast and blurted out, "Of course not! You just throw the best parties and I want my shower to be the best, so I want you to throw it." I quoted her a fee for event planning. Let's just say she declined.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 05, 2013, 04:15:45 PM
    Reminds me of something that happened to me years ago. I threw a bridal shower for my assistant at work. A few days later, a staff member at the shower asked me if I'd throw a bridal shower for her. I was nonplussed as she'd made no bones about her dislike of me. So I responded, "Oh. Does that mean I'm invited to your wedding?"  She looked shocked and aghast and blurted out, "Of course not! You just throw the best parties and I want my shower to be the best, so I want you to throw it." I quoted her a fee for event planning. Let's just say she declined.

    I remember you posting about this before.  I recall being very impressed with your calm, cool response to that snowflake.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: nayberry on July 05, 2013, 04:19:45 PM
    It's...an interesting situation, to say the least.  DH's family is insensitive? on many levels either by their ignorance, selfishness, or refusal to recognize that the world doesn't revolve around them.  DH is completely different from them and I think he is the way he is (laid back, responsible, loyal, etc) because they are the way they are.

    Every weekend, he and SIL go over to MIL's house (FIL passed before DH and I got together) to hang out with her for a bit, DH helps around the house if needed, then he and SIL go work out together (she won't go without him).  This has been their routine for 15+ years? I'm not invited because they wouldn't think to and they're not welcoming to me so I wouldn't really want to.  DH has learned from our past experiences that when they exclude me from things, he's not supposed to be laid back about it and he's supposed to stick up for me, like when they blatantly didn't invite me to their Christmas gathering.  This particular thing though, I've never been asked to come over, and as it happens every single week, it's not worth causing a huge fuss over.

    The in laws are prone to extreme drama and I try to save our efforts for the bigger grievances.  I chalk this up to this is how his family has done it for years and they're not going to change anytime soon.  Plus, if I'd been there in person, I'm not so sure I could've stopped evilRaina from speaking quite rudely.

    Definitely no more handmade (or handbaked!) gifts for people who don't appreciate them though!

    I think SIL was wanting another creation similar to the 7 layer chocolate truffle cake I made as her gift on a different year.  You'd think I'd learn to stop hoping his family would appreciate anything  ;D


    in that case DH gets his family presents, i wouldn't waste another moment on them
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Elfmama on July 05, 2013, 06:22:50 PM
    It's...an interesting situation, to say the least.  DH's family is insensitive? on many levels either by their ignorance, selfishness, or refusal to recognize that the world doesn't revolve around them.  DH is completely different from them and I think he is the way he is (laid back, responsible, loyal, etc) because they are the way they are.

    Every weekend, he and SIL go over to MIL's house (FIL passed before DH and I got together) to hang out with her for a bit, DH helps around the house if needed, then he and SIL go work out together (she won't go without him).  This has been their routine for 15+ years? I'm not invited because they wouldn't think to and they're not welcoming to me so I wouldn't really want to.  DH has learned from our past experiences that when they exclude me from things, he's not supposed to be laid back about it and he's supposed to stick up for me, like when they blatantly didn't invite me to their Christmas gathering.  This particular thing though, I've never been asked to come over, and as it happens every single week, it's not worth causing a huge fuss over.

    The in laws are prone to extreme drama and I try to save our efforts for the bigger grievances.  I chalk this up to this is how his family has done it for years and they're not going to change anytime soon.  Plus, if I'd been there in person, I'm not so sure I could've stopped evilRaina from speaking quite rudely.

    Definitely no more handmade (or handbaked!) gifts for people who don't appreciate them though!

    I think SIL was wanting another creation similar to the 7 layer chocolate truffle cake I made as her gift on a different year.  You'd think I'd learn to stop hoping his family would appreciate anything  ;D


    in that case DH gets his family presents, i wouldn't waste another moment on them
    Yep.  Not your circus, not your monkey.  HE gets to buy their cards, buy their gifts, keep up with their schedule.  You can resign from being his social secretary. 

    Do you mean that you have NEVER had a weekend to yourselves? 
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: dawnfire on July 05, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
    Thank you for this thread! It makes me feel not so alone :)

    I've always been a pretty good baker and I regularly make goods at home for DH and myself to enjoy.  I've also recently learned to quilt, having wanted to for years and finally got my first sewing machine in January.  Somehow, I got it into my head that in addition to a smaller purchased gift for SIL's birthday several months ago, I also wanted to make her a quilt since she's complained of always being cold in her apt, etc.  Plus I'm new to this craft and wanted to practice, and it gave me an excuse to buy more fabric  >:D

    After spending more than $80 on materials (normal bday budget is $20, which SIL set the rule for) and 30 hours piecing and quilting, it was complete and DH and I both thought it was great. I'm not invited to their family time on the weekends so sent DH with the gifts for her and this is what he reported back to me:


    SIL: (opening gifts) Oh... Is this a quilt? Did Raina make this?
    DH: She sure did! We thought you could use it for the couch or something since you said you're always cold.
    SIL: Well... It's very well coordinated...
    DH: She spent weeks making it and designing it.
    SIL: Where's my birthday cake? Did Raina make one for me?
    DH: No, she didn't have time because she spent so much time on the quilt.
    SIL: But I already told my co-workers that I'd share my cake with them!!

    so you're not invited but she wants your cake? well there'll be no more quilts or cakes again
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Cami on July 05, 2013, 07:45:52 PM
    Reminds me of something that happened to me years ago. I threw a bridal shower for my assistant at work. A few days later, a staff member at the shower asked me if I'd throw a bridal shower for her. I was nonplussed as she'd made no bones about her dislike of me. So I responded, "Oh. Does that mean I'm invited to your wedding?"  She looked shocked and aghast and blurted out, "Of course not! You just throw the best parties and I want my shower to be the best, so I want you to throw it." I quoted her a fee for event planning. Let's just say she declined.

    I remember you posting about this before.  I recall being very impressed with your calm, cool response to that snowflake.
    Thanks. (I think... Don't mean to repeat myself and bore people!)  I'm not sure what enabled me to be so calm about it because really that was so atrocious of her. I think, however, it may have been THE moment when those wise words hit home, "No one can take advantage of you without your permission." It's a choice we all can make, whether to be a doormat or not. I choose "not". And a positive consequence is that the more you refuse to be a doormat, the better you get treated. Allow people to treat  you with disrespect and they learn to step on you harder and harder. Refuse and they back away.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 05, 2013, 11:37:13 PM
    Reminds me of something that happened to me years ago. I threw a bridal shower for my assistant at work. A few days later, a staff member at the shower asked me if I'd throw a bridal shower for her. I was nonplussed as she'd made no bones about her dislike of me. So I responded, "Oh. Does that mean I'm invited to your wedding?"  She looked shocked and aghast and blurted out, "Of course not! You just throw the best parties and I want my shower to be the best, so I want you to throw it." I quoted her a fee for event planning. Let's just say she declined.

    I remember you posting about this before.  I recall being very impressed with your calm, cool response to that snowflake.
    Thanks. (I think... Don't mean to repeat myself and bore people!)  I'm not sure what enabled me to be so calm about it because really that was so atrocious of her. I think, however, it may have been THE moment when those wise words hit home, "No one can take advantage of you without your permission." It's a choice we all can make, whether to be a doormat or not. I choose "not". And a positive consequence is that the more you refuse to be a doormat, the better you get treated. Allow people to treat  you with disrespect and they learn to step on you harder and harder. Refuse and they back away.

    Oh, no -- I never thought you were boring to tell the story again!  It is one of those wonderful moments when someone thinks of the perfect thing to say in the middle of an SS situation and says it.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Mel the Redcap on July 06, 2013, 02:00:28 AM
    The post about the Red Cross quilt made me remember this story from my knitting instructor:

    Instructor leads a group of volunteers to knit squares for "Warm Up America."  Instructor and others in the group will sometimes knit up to 25 coordinated squares to make 1 afghan, other times, it is a collection of random colors/styles/yarns grouped together.  All the resulting afghans were being donated to an abused women and children's shelter in the county.  That ended when she saw one of the coordinated afghans decorating the wall of the shelter director's office.  The afghans are now donated elsewhere.

    Wasn't there also a story on this forum about someone who made beautiful afghans to donate to charity, and discovered that the person in charge of delivering collected donations to the charity had taken all the lovely afghans to decorate her house? I remember being horrified and angered by that!


    ETA: Ha! Found it! http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=25990.0
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    Post by: Doll Fiend on July 09, 2013, 12:41:22 AM
    So I am currently in the hospital and bored out of my mind. Thankfully I have EHell and some socks I am working on. Even though I do have associated pain with my craft work, I try to not let that stop me. With the pain meds for other reasons I am able to work quite steadily knitting up these socks.

    Now my nurse and I have been talking and I guess word got around about me doing some knitting. I have met other knitters because of this. And I met a Mooch. She was trying to get me to give me the socks I was knitting, because in her words, I could make more easily. This was a nurse, not mine thankfully. I couldn't help but laugh and tell her no, that it would not be possible.
    BTW, these socks are for my Mom and are costing me at min $15 in materials. A lot for some one who doesn't have a steady income.
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    Post by: snowflake on July 09, 2013, 10:11:45 AM
    On a slightly related note, I make hats/baby clothes out of my leftovers so I don't end up with boxes and boxes of remnants.  (BTDT)  I've found out that the clients at the local food bank are much more thankful for my work than most acquaintances.  My friend runs the place so I know how they react.

    There are lots of people who think that I'm just a hat machine and had the materials anyway.  But the food bank clients understand that the items are special.  The hand-knit items are so much more popular than the mass-produced ones.

    I'm thankful my friend would never raid the stash, but then she knows I'll knit for her.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Slartibartfast on July 09, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
    On a slightly related note, I make hats/baby clothes out of my leftovers so I don't end up with boxes and boxes of remnants.  (BTDT)  I've found out that the clients at the local food bank are much more thankful for my work than most acquaintances.  My friend runs the place so I know how they react.

    There are lots of people who think that I'm just a hat machine and had the materials anyway.  But the food bank clients understand that the items are special.  The hand-knit items are so much more popular than the mass-produced ones.

    I'm thankful my friend would never raid the stash, but then she knows I'll knit for her.

    I think the difference is, when you're in a situation where you're relying on the food bank, you don't get a whole lot of choice in your life.  You're reliant on other people to decide which food you're given, your clothes are chosen from whatever fits at the cheapest thrift stores, and even things like where you live and how many people you live with are aspects of your life you have no power to change because you don't have the money to move if you don't like where you are.  Everything you own or use is mass-produced, usually cheap quality, and you don't have the cash to go treat yourself every once in a while just to get away from the feeling of being second-hand.  Those hand-made hats and clothes are probably a real high point in those parents' lives, because they may very well be the only one-of-a-kind *made just for them* items at that time in their lives.  Everyone wants the best for their children, and it's very, very hard to not have the power to even decide what to skimp and what to splurge on.
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 09, 2013, 02:06:18 PM
    I used to bake a lot years ago, but I usually didn't eat what I made (too much product) so I would give them to a friend so he could share them with his coworkers.  I once commented on being happy to bake new things and have someone to give them to, and Friend said, "Gee, it must be nice to use my coworkers as guinea pigs" (my baking was perfectly fine).  I looked at him and said rather evenly, "If you feel that way, then I won't bother making things anymore that you could give to them."  I never gave Friend baked goods again (I kept baking; I just gave my baked goods to other people).  Friend did still get to partake of my cooking and baking over the next few years but never received any batches of anything from me again.

    Another time, Friend asked me to design a website for him.  I told him I didn't feel like it.  Friend then said, "Gee, for someone who wants to do this for a living, I'd think you'd jump on the chance to do this."  Again, I looked at him and said in an even tone, "You're right; I DO want to do this for a living.  If you want me to design a website for you, then you need to pay me."  Friend just gave me a look.  Never heard about it again.

    I haven't seen "Friend" in almost three years (the last straw was when he got pissed at me because he thought I should hold him as more important than then-DF).
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 09, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
    ^Somehow, I think you have managed quite nicely without "friend".
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 10, 2013, 01:19:38 AM
    ^Somehow, I think you have managed quite nicely without "friend".

    Sadly, I'd have to agree.  I spent ten years thinking that this middle-aged man (then in his 30s but now in his 40s) was going to grow up, but I realized, about six years ago, that that wasn't going to happen (he is the epitome of Special Snowflake).  Oh, well!
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    Post by: MariaE on July 11, 2013, 03:05:14 AM
    I've recently taken up knitting and am getting good enough to knit for others. Fortunately I haven't met any moochers yet :) Well, my nieblings are constantly asking me to knit stuff for them, but they're either satisfied with things I can make out of scrap yarn or my sister pays for the yarn. Besides, they are SO appreciative of everything I make that I pretty much jump at the chance to knit them something. I'm vain like that ;) (seriously, my oldest niece loved the fingerless mittens I made her she even wore them at my other sister's wedding, and my nephew loved the hat so much he asked me to make it bigger when he outgrew it! That's the way to an auntie's heart :) )

    I did find the timing amusing though, when I woke up this morning to a comment on a post I'd made comparing knitting to reading, saying "But do you take knitting requests? THAT is the real question????" (She's a close friend, so from her I do, but I still laughed at the timing ;) ).
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    Post by: BabyMama on July 11, 2013, 04:03:20 PM
    My sister is a social worker. I have a background with horses, although currently do not own due to the expense and the lack of boarding facilities in the area.

    A couple years ago, my sister visited a therapeutic riding center and thought that it was brilliant. She now has it in her "dream" head that she will someday open one, and that I will live on the property and be the farm's caretaker. Um. If I had wanted to be a professional in the horse world, you can bet your bottom that I would not have gotten a degree at a non-equestrian-centric college and an office job after that. Nor am I interested in quitting said job to become a professional groom that will undoubtedly offer great deals of mental stress, physical strain, low pay, and no health insurance. Did I mention that my sister would be my boss?  ::)

    Luckily I know that even if she did proceed, the hoops she would need to jump through would put her off immediately. Never mind who is going to fund the building operation (we live in the north where it snows 6-8 months of the year, so would need a ~$60,000+ indoor arena), pay for the insurance which I'm sure is through the roof expensive since you're dealing with people who require therapy AND large animals, the therapy-safe horses that are worth their weight in gold (and cost it), the equipment, etc.
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    Post by: BabyMama on July 11, 2013, 04:22:09 PM
    I actually have the opposite problem re: pricing. DD's daycare does an annual bake sale which I always bake for. The last time, I took a half day off of work and made homemade donuts that I delivered to the sale while still hot. The problem is that the daycare director always prices my things too high. I try not to think about how much it costs me to make everything (I know I spend more than the items bring) but it's fun for me to bake for more than me, DH, and DD, and I like to make everything nice so try package things as nice as possible as well (no paper plates inside Ziploc bags here!)

    The director likes that and thinks the price should reflect that--which, if this was a big $$$ affair, I'd agree, but we live in a small town with lots of thrifty people who don't *really* care if the cake is from a box instead of from organic ingredients (and yes, I'm generalizing a bit, but that often does seem to be the case. Plus, people don't really know if it's from a box or not unless they know it's something I specifically made, since I don't write HOMEMADE CAKE NOT FROM A BOX" on my baked goods.) So the day after I often see my pretty baked items at the daycare slowly being marked down until they're either too old and have to be tossed, or are sold at a reduced price but are now 2-3 days older than they were before.
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    Post by: kckgirl on July 11, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
    BabyMama, could you write your own price in icing on top of each donut?
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Miss Tickle on July 11, 2013, 10:47:45 PM
    We just had a houseguest who told me his favourite "it's not like it's work" story:

    Stan is a sailor, and has owned a few sailboats over the years.  A boat or two ago he had a "girlfriend" who asked to go sailing with him. Maybe even the whole weekend. He agreed, and spent a good bit of time getting the boat ready. She called a little later and said she was so excited, she told a couple of friends about the sailing trip and she was sure he love to meet them! They'd do an afternoon to dinner cruise, then drop them off and could continue on. Okay not what he was expecting, but he could deal.

    Then she called and said they'd been talking and they'd love to spend the night on a sailboat! Stan's a chill guy, but not that chill. He suggested they take a day sail first, and see how it goes.

    She didn't pass on the message. She arrived at the dock with her friends and all their luggage.

    It was a 22 foot sailboat with no head. The "guests" were NOT happy. It didn't end well.
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    Post by: desireesgranny on July 17, 2013, 10:54:40 AM
    The most asked for is my potato salad (my sister swears I must put crack in it because it is addictive!) . 

    Would you consider posting the recipe in the Recipe Requests folder, or is it a Secret Weapon  :-) ?  I love potato salad but have never found a good recipe to  make my own.

    To be honest, I really have never used a recipe.  I just decided to make it about 15 years ago, and voila.  Basically, I peel the potatos, boil them, drain them, then put them in the fridge overnight- they are easier to work with and it doesn't get watery.  I put in diced (small) cucumbers, onions, and hard boiled eggs (I use 3 large cukes and 1 1/2 onions, and a dozen eggs per 10 lbs), mix with salad dressing instead of mayo (and any brand will do) mixed with yellow mustard.  I start with small amounts of the dressing and add a bit more until it is all mixed but not over dressed (I am not a mayonnaise or mayo like product fan so I tend to make sure while it is there, it is not too much).  Top with sliced hard boiled eggs and paprika.

    Your recipe sounds pretty much like mine. I use sweet relish instead of cucumbers in mine. You have given me an excellent idea for the next time I make potato salad.

    My family also requests my potato salad whenever we have a gathering. I keep telling them that I know how to cook other thing but they want potato salad.  ;D
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    Post by: siamesecat2965 on July 17, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
    We just had a houseguest who told me his favourite "it's not like it's work" story:

    Stan is a sailor, and has owned a few sailboats over the years.  A boat or two ago he had a "girlfriend" who asked to go sailing with him. Maybe even the whole weekend. He agreed, and spent a good bit of time getting the boat ready. She called a little later and said she was so excited, she told a couple of friends about the sailing trip and she was sure he love to meet them! They'd do an afternoon to dinner cruise, then drop them off and could continue on. Okay not what he was expecting, but he could deal.

    Then she called and said they'd been talking and they'd love to spend the night on a sailboat! Stan's a chill guy, but not that chill. He suggested they take a day sail first, and see how it goes.

    She didn't pass on the message. She arrived at the dock with her friends and all their luggage.

    It was a 22 foot sailboat with no head. The "guests" were NOT happy. It didn't end well.

    Am I evil thinking the GF and her friends thought Stan would do all the work, and they could just enjoy the sailing at their leisure.  hehehe
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    Post by: cwm on July 17, 2013, 12:04:41 PM
    We just had a houseguest who told me his favourite "it's not like it's work" story:

    Stan is a sailor, and has owned a few sailboats over the years.  A boat or two ago he had a "girlfriend" who asked to go sailing with him. Maybe even the whole weekend. He agreed, and spent a good bit of time getting the boat ready. She called a little later and said she was so excited, she told a couple of friends about the sailing trip and she was sure he love to meet them! They'd do an afternoon to dinner cruise, then drop them off and could continue on. Okay not what he was expecting, but he could deal.

    Then she called and said they'd been talking and they'd love to spend the night on a sailboat! Stan's a chill guy, but not that chill. He suggested they take a day sail first, and see how it goes.

    She didn't pass on the message. She arrived at the dock with her friends and all their luggage.

    It was a 22 foot sailboat with no head. The "guests" were NOT happy. It didn't end well.

    Am I evil thinking the GF and her friends thought Stan would do all the work, and they could just enjoy the sailing at their leisure.  hehehe

    Yeah, I've been on a sailboat precisely once. I won't say never again, but I will say I'll be VERY careful who I go with and the size of the boat. I got a good sized goose egg on my head because my uncle forgot to warn me to duck.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 17, 2013, 02:08:45 PM
    One of my dear friends and his wife are expecting their first child. I am so excited about making the cake for the work shower we are going to have for them. It is because he is one of the humblest people I know and would never expect anything that I feel great about doing it.
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    Post by: cwm on July 17, 2013, 02:16:20 PM
    One of the girls in another department makes decorated cakes on the side, for fun. She does make money off of it. Sometimes she'll bring in cake pops or other fun things for fundraisers, sometimes she'll bring them in for the heck of it to share with us.

    Co workers have asked her a sum total of one time for her to bring something to contribute to something. She declined politely and when she was pressed she told them that she'd bring things in when she felt like it, unless they wanted to place an order, in which case her prices were $XX.XX per item. Nobody has asked her since, and she's kept bringing them from time to time.

    I'm glad she wasn't put off of bringing them in at all, they're delicious, and I don't even mind tossing a dollar or two in her direction when I have her treats. Technically she doesn't sell them at work, but I told her that I feel better having paid even a nominal amount so I don't feel like I'm taking advantage of her. Also, to keep me from pigging out on them, which makes me feel better. And she graciously accepted.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 17, 2013, 02:28:50 PM
    My husband has a 4lb piece of pork belly currently curing in our refrigerator, which he will smoke over hardwood on Friday evening. We have two friends who are being gifted 8 oz of finished bacon each. One owns the barbecue restaurant we frequent near our son's camp and the other just had a birthday. So much effort, time, love and space go into making each batch of bacon that it is a joy, not a chore. If someone demanded he make bacon for them, it would remove the joy from the process.
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    Post by: kherbert05 on July 17, 2013, 03:05:40 PM
    I feel bad about this one. I work in an area with a large mix of German, Czech/Bohemian, and Hispanic largely from Mexico. The campus will often provide breakfast on the Teacher workdays/campus staff development days. It tends to switch between breakfast tacos (different combos of eggs, potatoes, cheese), Kolaches (Fruit and sausage/cheese kinds), and tamales.


    On days it was tamales and breakfast tacos - 1st Principal would announce that an aide or 2 of the aides were making them.  One day a couple of other teachers walked in my room with this stricken look. They had overheard the principal ordering the aide to make tamales. The aide had nicely tried to tell Principal how expensive that is (and labor intensive). We had just assumed that the school was paying for the food.  I said get an envelope. We took up a collection from the staff we trusted to not go running to the principal.


    It was the beginning of the end. HR started an investigation.  She was breaking a bunch of rules. Ended up transfered.
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    Post by: esteban on July 17, 2013, 04:13:35 PM
    My husband has a 4lb piece of pork belly currently curing in our refrigerator, which he will smoke over hardwood on Friday evening. We have two friends who are being gifted 8 oz of finished bacon each. One owns the barbecue restaurant we frequent near our son's camp and the other just had a birthday. So much effort, time, love and space go into making each batch of bacon that it is a joy, not a chore. If someone demanded he make bacon for them, it would remove the joy from the process.

    How do I become your friend?  I'm a nice guy, I'm sure one of my children would get along well with your son.  I like to share good beer.  A friend who makes their own bacon is a friend I must have :)
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    Post by: Dazi on July 17, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
    Someone asked me to hand make a rather labor intensive item.  I might have done it for this individual, as they did ask nicely and did offer to pay at least materials, if not for these two little itty bitty things.  #1 I haven't learned this particular skill/craft #2 they need it in two weeks.  There is no way I'd be comfortable guaranteeing something in that time frame.  8-12 weeks would have given me time to possibly pick up craft and maybe be comfortable enough to take on a commission.

    I did give them the contact info of someone that I knew could do what they were asking in the time they needed, but she charges big $$$ (and I don't blame her a bit, she does wonderful work).
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 17, 2013, 04:50:53 PM
    Teehee, Deadbody! What is really amusing is the number of our friends who want to come over once the bacon is ready. It is a truly lovely product.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Julian on July 17, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
    This is almost one for the household disasters thread.

    I finished the baby blanket I mentioned earlier, and (carefully following the washing instructions) I washed* it.  The darn thing came out big enough to cover a double bed!   :o  I ended up putting it in the clothes dryer for a few minutes (against the washing instructions...) to get it back to size.

    I later called the young lady that commissioned it, and warned her. 

    Note to self (and others) - machine washable baby wool isn't.

    * I washed it because my animals like to sit on my lap when I'm crocheting**, and I'm sure she doesn't want dog and cat cooties on her blanket.

    ** Getting the wool out is like a secret signal, I swear.  I can't start without at least one turning up in the first two minutes, and she is like the Immovable Object, despite being only 7kg, when she wants to be.
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    Post by: lady_disdain on July 17, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
    Did you use fabric softener? That is usually the culprit.
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    Post by: Julian on July 18, 2013, 01:11:49 AM
    No, no fabric softener.  And I've used that wool cycle many times before with no problems.

    Oh well, at least it went back to the original size!
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    Post by: BarensMom on July 18, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
    The above brought up a painful, although off-topic, memory:

    I had just finished knitting a sweater vest.  I tried it on for DH and he said, "Nice, but it's a little big."  So I thought, hey, I'll use the hand-wash cycle on my machine.  I found out that the hand-wash cycle does not equal hand-washing when my sweater vest turned into a mass of green shredded and felted wool.  $100+ and two months of labor shot to heck, and I had to blow-dry and vacuum my washing machine to get out the remnants.

    Back on topic:

    The other day, my instructor and I were knitting at Starbucks.  A woman comes up to us and starts asking if we could "fix" a hole and ripped seam in her sweater.  My instructor told her to use a needle and matching yarn.  "Oh no, I want you to do it,"  woman replied.  "Sorry, I have too much to do as is," instructor responded.  "I'm just learning," I said.  She stood there a minute, then huffed herself off.
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    Post by: siamesecat2965 on July 18, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
    My husband has a 4lb piece of pork belly currently curing in our refrigerator, which he will smoke over hardwood on Friday evening. We have two friends who are being gifted 8 oz of finished bacon each. One owns the barbecue restaurant we frequent near our son's camp and the other just had a birthday. So much effort, time, love and space go into making each batch of bacon that it is a joy, not a chore. If someone demanded he make bacon for them, it would remove the joy from the process.

    Thank you. I just drooled liberally all over my keyboard!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: siamesecat2965 on July 18, 2013, 11:44:12 AM
    I feel bad about this one. I work in an area with a large mix of German, Czech/Bohemian, and Hispanic largely from Mexico. The campus will often provide breakfast on the Teacher workdays/campus staff development days. It tends to switch between breakfast tacos (different combos of eggs, potatoes, cheese), Kolaches (Fruit and sausage/cheese kinds), and tamales.


    On days it was tamales and breakfast tacos - 1st Principal would announce that an aide or 2 of the aides were making them.  One day a couple of other teachers walked in my room with this stricken look. They had overheard the principal ordering the aide to make tamales. The aide had nicely tried to tell Principal how expensive that is (and labor intensive). We had just assumed that the school was paying for the food.  I said get an envelope. We took up a collection from the staff we trusted to not go running to the principal.


    It was the beginning of the end. HR started an investigation.  She was breaking a bunch of rules. Ended up transfered.

    That's horrible! I would have done the same thing; collected $$ and given it to them.  Wow. And glad the principal got hers too!  Never ceases to amaze me what some people thnk they are entitled to.
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    Post by: Thipu1 on July 19, 2013, 10:13:18 AM
    My husband has a 4lb piece of pork belly currently curing in our refrigerator, which he will smoke over hardwood on Friday evening. We have two friends who are being gifted 8 oz of finished bacon each. One owns the barbecue restaurant we frequent near our son's camp and the other just had a birthday. So much effort, time, love and space go into making each batch of bacon that it is a joy, not a chore. If someone demanded he make bacon for them, it would remove the joy from the process.

    Thank you. I just drooled liberally all over my keyboard!

    Would you be willing to trade 8 oz of home cured bacon for several large bottles of good home-made IPA?
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    Post by: Hijinks on July 19, 2013, 11:39:14 AM
    When I first started soapmaking, I gave away all of my soap to friends, family, homeless shelters, etc, because otherwise I would have had soap coming out of my ears.  Now that it's a business and my stuff is actually quite good, and I've moved up to lotions, perfumes, etc, everyone still wants the freebies :(  Hard to say no when you gave it away before, even if your ingredients now cost 3x as much.
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    Post by: cwm on July 19, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
    When I first started soapmaking, I gave away all of my soap to friends, family, homeless shelters, etc, because otherwise I would have had soap coming out of my ears.  Now that it's a business and my stuff is actually quite good, and I've moved up to lotions, perfumes, etc, everyone still wants the freebies :(  Hard to say no when you gave it away before, even if your ingredients now cost 3x as much.

    I don't know what it's like to be in your position, but you could always try explaining to them that before it was a hobby and you were happy helping people out or giving it away. Now it's actually a business, and if you give away things for free, you're actually taking money out of your budget for supplies or dinner.

    Not that I think they'll necessarily understand, but it might be worth a talk with some of the worst offenders.
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    Post by: Jocelyn on July 19, 2013, 02:46:14 PM
    When I first started soapmaking, I gave away all of my soap to friends, family, homeless shelters, etc, because otherwise I would have had soap coming out of my ears.  Now that it's a business and my stuff is actually quite good, and I've moved up to lotions, perfumes, etc, everyone still wants the freebies :(  Hard to say no when you gave it away before, even if your ingredients now cost 3x as much.
    'Before, you were a product tester. Now, I'm finished with product testing, and I've moved on into sales.'
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    Post by: wheeitsme on July 19, 2013, 05:06:51 PM
    When I first started soapmaking, I gave away all of my soap to friends, family, homeless shelters, etc, because otherwise I would have had soap coming out of my ears.  Now that it's a business and my stuff is actually quite good, and I've moved up to lotions, perfumes, etc, everyone still wants the freebies :(  Hard to say no when you gave it away before, even if your ingredients now cost 3x as much.
    'Before, you were a product tester. Now, I'm finished with product testing, and I've moved on into sales.'

    I think this is a great response!
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    Post by: geekette on July 20, 2013, 11:10:42 PM
    Its not craft, but a part of the reason I ended up distancing myself from most of my non-computer geeky friends was because so many people asked me to fix their computer. Like rescuing their data from a harddrive that had suddenly stopped working, at five in the morning, over the phone, on an OS that I know nothing about. One 'friend' asked if I would pay the fee, when I told him he'd have to take it to a shop!
    My uncle once asked me if I could make some software for him; what he wanted would take a decent team a year to make, and would require at least one professional linguist. That was the only personal email I ever got from him (every other time, emails addressed to me were sent to my dad's email account)
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    Post by: BarensMom on July 21, 2013, 09:12:26 AM
    Its not craft, but a part of the reason I ended up distancing myself from most of my non-computer geeky friends was because so many people asked me to fix their computer. Like rescuing their data from a harddrive that had suddenly stopped working, at five in the morning, over the phone, on an OS that I know nothing about. One 'friend' asked if I would pay the fee, when I told him he'd have to take it to a shop!
    My uncle once asked me if I could make some software for him; what he wanted would take a decent team a year to make, and would require at least one professional linguist. That was the only personal email I ever got from him (every other time, emails addressed to me were sent to my dad's email account)

    I feel your pain, geekette.  I transferred out of computer support in the late 90's, because everyone and his brother was bothering me to fix their computer problems.  No one, not even my family, was calling me to just talk - it was all "can you fix this for me?"

    The kicker was when DH's coworkers from another unit would call at 2-3 a.m. to ask me to type/fix their PC files, fix their PCs, etc.  That was especially egregious because (1) I worked for the competition; (2) they woke me up, dangnammit! DH put a stop to that.

    The above is a sure-fire way to burn out a resource and make them hate you for life.
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    Post by: Shalamar on July 21, 2013, 03:11:40 PM
    Somewhat related ... when I was 17 and looking for a summer job, my dad found out that a coworker needed a bunch of data entry done.  (This was a personal project for the coworker himself, not for the company).   Knowing that I was good with computers, the coworker asked my dad if I'd do it.  When my dad passed the request on to me, I said "Sure - tell him I'll do it for $x.xx per hour" (which was slightly below minimum wage at the time).   Coworker apparently went green and said "HOW much?   Forget it; I'll do it myself!"  It took him ages. I could have gotten it done in a few hours and it would have cost him fifty bucks, tops.
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    Post by: weeblewobble on July 21, 2013, 04:06:58 PM
    ^Somehow, I think you have managed quite nicely without "friend".

    Sadly, I'd have to agree.  I spent ten years thinking that this middle-aged man (then in his 30s but now in his 40s) was going to grow up, but I realized, about six years ago, that that wasn't going to happen (he is the epitome of Special Snowflake).  Oh, well!

    I don't want to drag up old pain, but I'm curious as to why/how he thought you should hold him up as more important than your own fiance.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 22, 2013, 02:38:19 PM
    DH made a new batch of bacon, smoked it Saturday morning, then packaged it up in the cooler while we went to pick up DS. We went by our friends BBQ restaurant, let them slice some of the bacon off the two chunks and cook it so they could try it. After getting the seal of approval, including a staffer that had been a bacon-hater prior, DH has decided to take orders for bacon, to be processed twice a month. All the people who had been clamoring for free bacon? Not one peep.
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on July 22, 2013, 03:37:33 PM
    DH made a new batch of bacon, smoked it Saturday morning, then packaged it up in the cooler while we went to pick up DS. We went by our friends BBQ restaurant, let them slice some of the bacon off the two chunks and cook it so they could try it. After getting the seal of approval, including a staffer that had been a bacon-hater prior, DH has decided to take orders for bacon, to be processed twice a month. All the people who had been clamoring for free bacon? Not one peep.

    hehe funny how that works huh
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    Post by: esteban on July 22, 2013, 06:20:37 PM
    DH made a new batch of bacon, smoked it Saturday morning, then packaged it up in the cooler while we went to pick up DS. We went by our friends BBQ restaurant, let them slice some of the bacon off the two chunks and cook it so they could try it. After getting the seal of approval, including a staffer that had been a bacon-hater prior, DH has decided to take orders for bacon, to be processed twice a month. All the people who had been clamoring for free bacon? Not one peep.

    How much and when can you ship it?
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 22, 2013, 07:37:07 PM
    $10 per pound. I would wait until the cooler months. Shipping will be more, with ice packs and such.
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    Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on July 23, 2013, 03:14:24 PM
    The irony is that even the most beautiful paintings in the world require far more of what these people would call "craft" than "art." The Mona Lisa wouldn't be nearly as beautiful if Davinci hadn't mastered the craft of painting. Someone can have the most wonderful ideas, full of meaning, but if they lack the craft, those ideas will never see the light of day.

    Last year, the Detroit Institute of Art had a Faberge exhibit, and I read an article in the local paper about it.  Towards the end of the article, the writer made a comment that all of this is not Great Art, like the Sistine Chapel.  They are just pretty things.

    I was so angry, and convinced that the writer new nothing about art.  If I pick up my tea pot, which is a beautifully painted and glazed sky blue, and the handle curves just right in my hand, and it makes me smile every time I look at it: that is art.

    Getting back to the thread topic, I had a friend who was constantly volunteering me to help people with their projects.  I was smarter than most people he knew, and that translates into expertise, doesn't it?  The last time he tried to volunteer me was for someone who wanted to create an app that would take your life experiences and write them out in such a way that you could get course credit at the school this person was attending.

    Only problem was, this person knew next to nothing about computers.  Guess what?  Neither do I!  And I already have a job which eats up all my time and energy, so I don't care what kind of dollar signs you see at the end of your path, because I am not going down that path.
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 23, 2013, 07:35:57 PM
    ^Somehow, I think you have managed quite nicely without "friend".

    Sadly, I'd have to agree.  I spent ten years thinking that this middle-aged man (then in his 30s but now in his 40s) was going to grow up, but I realized, about six years ago, that that wasn't going to happen (he is the epitome of Special Snowflake).  Oh, well!

    I don't want to drag up old pain, but I'm curious as to why/how he thought you should hold him up as more important than your own fiance.

    Oh, no worries -- no old-pain-dragging here.  I sent you a PM so I don't derail the thread.
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    Post by: BarensMom on July 23, 2013, 09:08:55 PM
    ^Somehow, I think you have managed quite nicely without "friend".

    Sadly, I'd have to agree.  I spent ten years thinking that this middle-aged man (then in his 30s but now in his 40s) was going to grow up, but I realized, about six years ago, that that wasn't going to happen (he is the epitome of Special Snowflake).  Oh, well!

    I don't want to drag up old pain, but I'm curious as to why/how he thought you should hold him up as more important than your own fiance.

    Oh, no worries -- no old-pain-dragging here.  I sent you a PM so I don't derail the thread.

    Now, you've got me curious, too!  If I grovel politely, will you send me the PM as well?  Please? (grovel, grovel)
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 23, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
    ^Somehow, I think you have managed quite nicely without "friend".

    Sadly, I'd have to agree.  I spent ten years thinking that this middle-aged man (then in his 30s but now in his 40s) was going to grow up, but I realized, about six years ago, that that wasn't going to happen (he is the epitome of Special Snowflake).  Oh, well!

    I don't want to drag up old pain, but I'm curious as to why/how he thought you should hold him up as more important than your own fiance.

    Oh, no worries -- no old-pain-dragging here.  I sent you a PM so I don't derail the thread.

    Now, you've got me curious, too!  If I grovel politely, will you send me the PM as well?  Please? (grovel, grovel)

    Done.  :)
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    Post by: jedikaiti on July 23, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
    Me? Please?
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    Post by: MariaE on July 23, 2013, 11:35:26 PM
    Looks as if you may as well just post it here, or the thread will get derailed anyway with requests for PMs ;) ... Besides, I'm curious too! Especially since I've had a "friend" think the same thing about me and my fiance.
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    Post by: Barney girl on July 24, 2013, 12:18:38 AM
    The irony is that even the most beautiful paintings in the world require far more of what these people would call "craft" than "art." The Mona Lisa wouldn't be nearly as beautiful if Davinci hadn't mastered the craft of painting. Someone can have the most wonderful ideas, full of meaning, but if they lack the craft, those ideas will never see the light of day.

    Last year, the Detroit Institute of Art had a Faberge exhibit, and I read an article in the local paper about it.  Towards the end of the article, the writer made a comment that all of this is not Great Art, like the Sistine Chapel.  They are just pretty things.

    I was so angry, and convinced that the writer new nothing about art.  If I pick up my tea pot, which is a beautifully painted and glazed sky blue, and the handle curves just right in my hand, and it makes me smile every time I look at it: that is art.

    Getting back to the thread topic, I had a friend who was constantly volunteering me to help people with their projects.  I was smarter than most people he knew, and that translates into expertise, doesn't it?  The last time he tried to volunteer me was for someone who wanted to create an app that would take your life experiences and write them out in such a way that you could get course credit at the school this person was attending.

    Only problem was, this person knew next to nothing about computers.  Guess what?  Neither do I!  And I already have a job which eats up all my time and energy, so I don't care what kind of dollar signs you see at the end of your path, because I am not going down that path.

    A few years ago I went to an exhibition of Durer's works which spoke of his being at the time of the change over from such things being considered a craft to their appreciation as art.
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 24, 2013, 02:31:37 PM
    ^Somehow, I think you have managed quite nicely without "friend".

    Sadly, I'd have to agree.  I spent ten years thinking that this middle-aged man (then in his 30s but now in his 40s) was going to grow up, but I realized, about six years ago, that that wasn't going to happen (he is the epitome of Special Snowflake).  Oh, well!

    I don't want to drag up old pain, but I'm curious as to why/how he thought you should hold him up as more important than your own fiance.

    Oh, no worries -- no old-pain-dragging here.  I sent you a PM so I don't derail the thread.

    Me? Please?

    Looks as if you may as well just post it here, or the thread will get derailed anyway with requests for PMs ;) ... Besides, I'm curious too! Especially since I've had a "friend" think the same thing about me and my fiance.

    Okay, as requested...

    The answer you are looking for requires logic, and there is no logic here.  What happened is there was a festival he and other friends were attending with then-DF and me.  Friend, Friend2, then-DF and I were going to participate in an event at the festival.  At the last minute, then-DF was unable to participate so I made a faux-sad face at him (I really wasn't upset about then-DF not participating (he wasn't feeling well) and said I was sad that then-DF couldn't participate.  Friend overheard me, got a thunderous look on his face then said in a low tone only I could hear, "*I* am participating, and that's not good enough?!"  Unlike me, Friend was not kidding.  I, OTOH, was incredulous that it was an all-or-nothing situation for Friend -- I could only be happy because Friend was participating; I was not allowed to feel any sadness at all that then-DF was not going to be able to participate.  THAT is how Friend was TELLING me that he should be more important to me than then-DF (I know others could state that I could've been misinterpreting this response, but I have years of experience with Friend pulling this kind of stuff -- Friend definitely was PO'd and definitely felt I should not care that then-DF wasn't participating since Friend was, which "should be good enough" <-- direct quote from Friend).  I did later have a private chat with Friend about this because Friend insisted on taking me aside to have a go at me (yes, this is while we were still at the festival).  Should I mention that Friend was verbally abusive towards me for seven years so he was accustomed to me being cowed by him, rather than having the courage to stand up for myself? (I was still friends with him because I still "believed" in the "good" person he was -- something I think abuse victims often tell themselves in addition to blaming themselves for the abuse occurring).  I stood up for myself that day and let Friend know in no uncertain terms that I was marrying then-DF and that then-DF would ALWAYS come first where Friend was concerned.

    Anyway, then-DF and Friend2 heard none of this exchange at the event or the rude aside I was forced to participate in a little later.  I told then-DF about both later -- actually, I ranted because I was so peeved.  That was the last time I saw and spoke to Friend (almost three years ago, I think) as I determined that action was the last straw after a few other really rude actions on his part that day so I needed to stop making any effort at continuing this friendship.

    Please note this wasn't jealous suitor/former suitor behavior.  Friend feels everything in life should go exactly how he thinks it should be and that all other ways are wrong that do not match his viewpoint or preference.  Again, he is the epitome of "special."

    Okay, going back to our scheduled topic --

    When I was 21, I went through a phase when I was baking all the time.  I just did it for fun and gave away everything I made.  My mother said her coworkers were thrilled with my proceeds.  However, I didn't schedule any baking; I just baked when the mood struck me.  Occasionally, my mother would mention her coworkers were asking about my baked goods so I'd comply and bake cookies.  One day, Mom came home and said she promised her coworkers I'd bake a cake for their potluck.  ::)  I was tired, had school stuff to do and didn't feel like it so I said no and that Mom could do it herself.  Mom pleaded with me.  I was peeved.  I went ahead and baked a bundt and did nothing further.  I remember Mom made a glaze to pour over the cake then brought it to work.  I think I did continue to bake when I felt like it and give my baked goods to Mom to bring to work, but Mom never promised ME to bake for someone else ever again.

    A few years later, for a company potluck, my coworker promised her daughter would bake a cake for us.  I, remembering what my mother did to me years earlier, asked if she were sure since she hadn't checked with her daughter yet.  Coworker said there was no need as she was sure her daughter would be happy to bake that cake.  Come the potluck, Coworker showed up sans cake.  I think I might've asked Coworker about it, and she said her daughter was busy.  Thought so.  Coworker never volunteered her daughter to do anything for us again.
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on July 24, 2013, 06:34:16 PM
    Ah yes, the "voluntold"... I remember once in high school a fellow student came up to me and said, "Hey, I was just at a meeting about School Event and I said you would do X at it." I replied, "Actually I'm not going to School Event." Cue much, "But-but-but-I said you'd do it!!" Shrug. "I won't be there." Felt good.

    Sometimes I think it can be a fine line between "favors for a friend" and overstepping, though. Like, I have a friend who's trying to sell her house, and another friend (they know each other) who's a realtor--not anywhere near our area, though, so Realtor couldn't directly profit from selling the house, and anyway Seller is trying to do it on her own (which is a whole other issue). Sometimes I think, wouldn't it be great if they could get together, and Realtor could give Seller some tips--like, here's a good place to advertise, or don't have an open house at these hours, or make sure you ask potential buyers about X. Would it be wrong of Seller to ask Realtor for that kind of advice, without compensation? For sure it could go too far, like if Seller wanted Realtor to advertise the house through her professional network (without chance of profiting) or give Seller advertising materials like signs.

    What would be a good way to ask a friend, "How much professional advice would you be willing to give me as a favor, because we're friends?" I think it would be sad if a friend was too intimidated to ask me a few simple questions about something I'm known to have experience with, but at the same time, it is rude to make demands or press further than someone wants to go.
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    Post by: Onyx_TKD on July 24, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
    Ah yes, the "voluntold"... I remember once in high school a fellow student came up to me and said, "Hey, I was just at a meeting about School Event and I said you would do X at it." I replied, "Actually I'm not going to School Event." Cue much, "But-but-but-I said you'd do it!!" Shrug. "I won't be there." Felt good.

    Sometimes I think it can be a fine line between "favors for a friend" and overstepping, though. Like, I have a friend who's trying to sell her house, and another friend (they know each other) who's a realtor--not anywhere near our area, though, so Realtor couldn't directly profit from selling the house, and anyway Seller is trying to do it on her own (which is a whole other issue). Sometimes I think, wouldn't it be great if they could get together, and Realtor could give Seller some tips--like, here's a good place to advertise, or don't have an open house at these hours, or make sure you ask potential buyers about X. Would it be wrong of Seller to ask Realtor for that kind of advice, without compensation? For sure it could go too far, like if Seller wanted Realtor to advertise the house through her professional network (without chance of profiting) or give Seller advertising materials like signs.

    What would be a good way to ask a friend, "How much professional advice would you be willing to give me as a favor, because we're friends?" I think it would be sad if a friend was too intimidated to ask me a few simple questions about something I'm known to have experience with, but at the same time, it is rude to make demands or press further than someone wants to go.

    RE: The 1st bolded question
    IMO, yes, it would be wrong. Even though the seller's selling her own house isn't directly competing with the realtor's business due to location, it would still be asking the realtor to put in time and effort doing uncompensated consulting work. If she wanted the benefit of a realtor's experience, she should either hire a realtor or ask whether the friend could/would help her professionally (i.e., with a consulting fee).

    RE: The 2nd bolded question
    I don't think there's any polite way to ask. IMO your options are A) to mention what you're doing in conversation without hinting that you want help or B) to ask whether they'd be willing to help you as a paid professional and find out their rates. If you just mention it, then the friend has an opportunity to realize on their own that their expertise could be helpful and to offer help if they feel so moved. Likewise, if you ask about professional help, then they always have the option of offering free or heavily discounted help if they feel so moved.
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    Post by: lady_disdain on July 25, 2013, 12:30:19 PM
    If they are friends, I would see no problem with inviting Realtor to dinner, explicitly saying that I would like to ask them questions about selling my house. I would also send Realtor some sort of thank you gift later (a bottle of wine or whatever they might prefer). If I were Realtor, I would certainly not mind the invitation and I would be more than willing to help. This is a huge financial transaction that few people have experience with. It is part of friendship, I believe, to help each other.

    Of course, this is based on it really being a friendship (they do things together other than asking for help every time) and the fact that houses aren't sold every day. If it were something that happened often, then my answer would be different.
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    Post by: TeamBhakta on July 25, 2013, 11:57:28 PM
    Quote
    Would it be wrong of Seller to ask Realtor for that kind of advice, without compensation?

    It would be wrong. You're asking the agent friend to do free work for a random stranger.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 26, 2013, 07:23:07 AM
    My DH and I each have a particular profession we have worked hard in to gain the knowledge and experience we have. We also have hobbies that we have spent decades on. We absolutely do not mind helping friends.

    It begins to border on tedium when we are asked to help friend's relatives or other friends who we have never met. I think that is the fine line.
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    Post by: weeblewobble on July 26, 2013, 02:25:04 PM
    DH made a new batch of bacon, smoked it Saturday morning, then packaged it up in the cooler while we went to pick up DS. We went by our friends BBQ restaurant, let them slice some of the bacon off the two chunks and cook it so they could try it. After getting the seal of approval, including a staffer that had been a bacon-hater prior, DH has decided to take orders for bacon, to be processed twice a month. All the people who had been clamoring for free bacon? Not one peep.

    But he is getting orders from non-moochy people, right?  Because the thought of bacon just sitting around without people to love it, makes me sad.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on July 26, 2013, 02:34:46 PM
    He is taking pre-orders only. That way he only buys the raw product he knows we will use, then will add more as needed.
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 27, 2013, 01:29:07 AM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on July 27, 2013, 02:04:12 AM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    SoCalVal, are there any culinary schools near you?  You may want to call and see if you can take private lessons with an instructor or senior student. Chocolate classes should be easier to find than sugarcraft classes.  If I lived in the area, I'd give you my contact info.

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    Post by: laud_shy_girl on July 27, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    Yea I have to agree. I said a few posts back about giving quilting a go. I looked for classes but there is zip in my area. I am resorting to u tube tutorials. I must admit I am jealous as there seems to be less of a culture of craftiness in the uk.  at least in comparison to the US, ymmv.

    The thing I would love to try is Glass blowing. Its got to be one of my top 5 things I want to try.
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    Post by: Elfmama on July 27, 2013, 02:06:15 PM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    SoCalVal, are there any culinary schools near you?  You may want to call and see if you can take private lessons with an instructor or senior student. Chocolate classes should be easier to find than sugarcraft classes.  If I lived in the area, I'd give you my contact info.
    If you have a community college near you, they may also have classes, either credit or non-credit. 
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    Post by: Minmom3 on July 27, 2013, 09:27:19 PM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    Yea I have to agree. I said a few posts back about giving quilting a go. I looked for classes but there is zip in my area. I am resorting to u tube tutorials. I must admit I am jealous as there seems to be less of a culture of craftiness in the uk.  at least in comparison to the US, ymmv.

    The thing I would love to try is Glass blowing. Its got to be one of my top 5 things I want to try.

    Have you looked in your local library?  I learned a TON from library books.  Mostly that there were things I had NO desire to try, or color combos, and such.  But when you get 6 library books on a topic out at the same time, you can read them all, and cherry pick what looks appetizing to you and give it a whirl.  My problem with most of the videos on line is that the quality is the pits, they're hard to SEE, and they tend to be very single topic, which is great for some stuff but less great for others.  I've actually only taken one and a half classes in my life.  I'd take more, but they don't usually work with my work schedule.  Books have been my great friends through all of this.  Oh, and joining a quilting society!  Not that they've had classes I've taken, but that the show and tell portions can be highly interesting, and the speaker du jour is usually extremely good and informative.  At least, this was so in the group I used to belong to.
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on July 28, 2013, 04:57:34 AM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    SoCalVal, are there any culinary schools near you?  You may want to call and see if you can take private lessons with an instructor or senior student. Chocolate classes should be easier to find than sugarcraft classes.  If I lived in the area, I'd give you my contact info.

    If you have a community college near you, they may also have classes, either credit or non-credit.

    There are at least two culinary schools near me, and one culinary program at one of the community colleges (all are professional programs).  I've been taking classes here and there at the community college over the past seven years, but, for pastry work, that program does not offer anything past fancy cakes and some chocolate work (so, nothing like sugarcraft or working with modeling chocolate).  Don't get me wrong; I LOVE that program but really want to learn the more artsy stuff (blown sugar, pulling sugar and figure modeling, to name a few).  I think both of the culinary schools require an official chat with whomever makes the big push to enroll students; I can't get information on what they have to offer (even if they offer stand-alone courses) without having to give them all my info to contact me (which I don't want to do as this is just a hobby for me).

    For the past year or so, I've been looking into taking glass-blowing classes at some studios and, maybe, some painting and sculpting classes at a JC so I could at least get the art part down, never mind figuring out how to work with edible mediums.

    What I've found in the Bay area hasn't really been what I want to learn.  For example, when I do a google search, the courses I find offered are on things I'm not about to pay these little schools to learn -- usually a lot of money for stuff I'd learn at the JC's program here (but cheaper and more extensively here).  In 2012, someone opened a sugarcraft school in Pennsylvania.  That school offers exactly what I've been seeking, but I have not yet found those classes here -- classes like airbrushing, animal & figure modeling, blown & pulled sugar and mold-making.

    My wonderful husband, always encouraging, suggested sending me to take classes there, but I vetoed that as the classes are really expensive ($975 each), which we really can't afford.

    I'm going to keep looking, though.  If someone could open a sugarcraft school out there, then I figure it's just a matter of time before someone opens a sugarcraft school out here (there was a cake camp in Henderson last weekend that offered some promising classes, but it was too far away for me to try to get to it this year).
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on July 28, 2013, 08:42:56 AM
    Modeling chocolate is like clay.  So while edible, it's not really palatable.  The real difference between the two is that one will mold, and the other will not.  I have no artistic skill so I never went anywhere with it.  However, I am very skilled in tempering and making chocolates.

    Pulled sugar is an art form.  I learned the basics in culinary school and then took classes/workshops at various domestic and international conferences.  However, we didn't do pulled sugar work until we were in our advanced classes almost ready to graduate.
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    Post by: artk2002 on July 28, 2013, 10:24:12 AM
    ... classes like airbrushing, animal & figure modeling, blown & pulled sugar and mold-making.

    Most of those (except the sugar) are skills that are independent of the medium. For stuff like that, I'd go looking at general art classes. Although the medium makes a little bit of a difference, modeling an animal is pretty much the same whether you're using chocolate or clay. Mold-making is mold-making. If you've got those skills in one medium, then it's not so hard to transfer to another.
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    Post by: siamesecat2965 on July 28, 2013, 10:35:34 AM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    SoCalVal, are there any culinary schools near you?  You may want to call and see if you can take private lessons with an instructor or senior student. Chocolate classes should be easier to find than sugarcraft classes.  If I lived in the area, I'd give you my contact info.

    I know too, and think they are nationwide, Viking (stove maker) also offers classes. might be worth looking into that as well.
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on July 28, 2013, 03:46:12 PM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    SoCalVal, are there any culinary schools near you?  You may want to call and see if you can take private lessons with an instructor or senior student. Chocolate classes should be easier to find than sugarcraft classes.  If I lived in the area, I'd give you my contact info.

    I know too, and think they are nationwide, Viking (stove maker) also offers classes. might be worth looking into that as well.

    Oh meant to tell you to also look up candy making.  Pulling sugar starts with learning how to cook sugar to different temperatures.  Candy Making classes are a good introduction to working with sugar

    I found:
    Spun Sugar in Berkely
    Baking Arts in San Francisco
    Bonbini in San Francisco.  They may do a specialty class if you ask
    San Fran Cooking School:
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    Post by: christmascarol on July 29, 2013, 02:47:00 AM
    A woman I knew sent me a picture of some `cupcakes´ she wanted for Christmas presents.  About three weeks before Christmas.

    Her: I know it's a bit of a cheek, but could you make me some of these?

    Me: Sorry, they're crocheted.  I knit, I can't crochet.

    Her: Could you learn?

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    Post by: CakeEater on July 29, 2013, 06:13:00 AM
    Modeling chocolate is like clay.  So while edible, it's not really palatable.  The real difference between the two is that one will mold, and the other will not.  I have no artistic skill so I never went anywhere with it.  However, I am very skilled in tempering and making chocolates.

    Wow - you and I are eating two different kinds of modelling chocolate - I think it tastes amazing! I'd eat it by the block if it was healthy too.
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    Post by: suzieQ on July 29, 2013, 08:27:49 AM
    Modeling chocolate is like clay.  So while edible, it's not really palatable.  The real difference between the two is that one will mold, and the other will not.  I have no artistic skill so I never went anywhere with it.  However, I am very skilled in tempering and making chocolates.

    Wow - you and I are eating two different kinds of modelling chocolate - I think it tastes amazing! I'd eat it by the block if it was healthy too.

    It tastes like tootsie rolls to me. We used it to make trees on my DD's wedding cake. They held up the top layer. Let me see if I can manage to post a pic.
    (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487674_455908494431074_1415390380_n.jpg)
    Here is where we "carved her and her DH's initials" (https://sphotos-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/599874_441333522555238_1130379647_n.jpg)

    And here are a few sugarpaste flowers I did on cupcakes thrown in for good measure :)
    (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/403431_423720827649841_1182220214_n.jpg)
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    Post by: RegionMom on July 29, 2013, 09:06:18 AM
    Those flowers look like they could go on Sunday Sweets on CakeWrecks, where she shows off the amazing professional cakes. 
    Too pretty to eat!  Wow!
    what a lovely wedding, it looks like it was. 
    Wow.
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    Post by: Thipu1 on July 29, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
    Those flowers look like they could go on Sunday Sweets on CakeWrecks, where she shows off the amazing professional cakes. 
    Too pretty to eat!  Wow!
    what a lovely wedding, it looks like it was. 
    Wow.

    Agreed.  That cake could easily fit into Sunday Sweets.  It's beautiful! 
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    Post by: VorFemme on July 29, 2013, 09:48:50 AM
    I had someone ask me to do "rush job" for them.  When I asked for payment, they didn't understand, until I put it into plain speech.

    Something along the lines of - when I get home from work, someone has to clean house, cook dinner, wash the dishes, do laundry, and help the kids with their homework - since DH is on the other side of the continent (military "temporary duty"), that means either I do it or I pay someone to do it.  Are you going to do it or are you going to pay me enough to pay for it to be done for me?  Plus something for it to be worth me giving up the forty minutes or so of free time AFTER the kids go to bed when I would be watching tv, reading, or whatever I wanted to do instead of doing YOUR project.

    They still didn't quite get it - but decided that either I really was that unreasonable about giving up "just a little bit of time" or that it might end up costing THEM their free time AND some cash while they cleaned my house, did a load of laundry, cooked & served dinner, then cleaned up afterward, before helping the kids with their homework, etc.

    And I got a lot fewer comments from coworkers about me sewing or embroidering some "little thing" for them....

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    Post by: PastryGoddess on July 29, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
    Modeling chocolate is like clay.  So while edible, it's not really palatable.  The real difference between the two is that one will mold, and the other will not.  I have no artistic skill so I never went anywhere with it.  However, I am very skilled in tempering and making chocolates.

    Wow - you and I are eating two different kinds of modelling chocolate - I think it tastes amazing! I'd eat it by the block if it was healthy too.

    That was my personal opinion.  I just don't really like the taste or the texture.  It may also have something to do with the fact that someones hands have been all over it to manipulate it :)
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    Post by: Julian on July 29, 2013, 06:45:48 PM
    A very nice update on the baby blanket I did on commission.

    I went into the craft shop on Saturday to pick up the payment, which was in an envelope.  I didn't actually open it until Monday morning.  In it was $50, rather than the $30 agreed upon.

    So I rang the young lady last night to let her know she'd overpaid me.  Nope, she intended to leave that much, she loved the blanket, she thought I undervalued my work, and she was more than happy to pay the extra.

    It's nice to be appreciated!   ;D
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    Post by: gmatoy on July 29, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
    A very nice update on the baby blanket I did on commission.

    I went into the craft shop on Saturday to pick up the payment, which was in an envelope.  I didn't actually open it until Monday morning.  In it was $50, rather than the $30 agreed upon.

    So I rang the young lady last night to let her know she'd overpaid me.  Nope, she intended to leave that much, she loved the blanket, she thought I undervalued my work, and she was more than happy to pay the extra.

    It's nice to be appreciated!   ;D


    I think she is smart! If she ever needs another one, you will be more likely to do it for her, right?
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    Post by: Julian on July 29, 2013, 10:56:53 PM
    Heck yeah!   ;D
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    Post by: Mel the Redcap on July 30, 2013, 04:31:40 AM
    ((snippage))
    It's nice to be appreciated!   ;D

    Yay! It is indeed nice! You must have done a beautiful job. :D
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    Post by: Shea on July 30, 2013, 08:18:54 PM
    All these stories are just crazy! So many entitled people in the world...

    I quilt by hand, both piecing and quilting, and sometimes make my own patterns. A lap-size quilt takes 4-6 months to complete, a queen-size quilt at least a year. Somehow, I've never had anyone make a truly crazy request of me, although I do give the quilts as gifts sometimes. The closest I've come was when my BF's mother said to him how lovely my quilts were, and maybe I'd make one for her sometime. BF clued her in to exactly how much work goes into them, which greatly surprised his mother since she'd had no idea. I was not party to this conversation, but BF's mother is lovely, so perhaps someday I will make her a quilt ;).
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    Post by: TootsNYC on July 31, 2013, 08:19:36 PM
    All these stories are just crazy! So many entitled people in the world...

    I quilt by hand, both piecing and quilting, and sometimes make my own patterns. A lap-size quilt takes 4-6 months to complete, a queen-size quilt at least a year. Somehow, I've never had anyone make a truly crazy request of me, although I do give the quilts as gifts sometimes. The closest I've come was when my BF's mother said to him how lovely my quilts were, and maybe I'd make one for her sometime. BF clued her in to exactly how much work goes into them, which greatly surprised his mother since she'd had no idea. I was not party to this conversation, but BF's mother is lovely, so perhaps someday I will make her a quilt ;).


    Major P.R. points!!
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    Post by: Doll Fiend on August 01, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
    Got one today. So I am knitting a pair of socks for my Mom. (She buys double yarn so I can make some for myself. All is cool there) Well one of DH's friends, Tommy, was over and admiring the socks. He wanted me to make some socks for his wife. I stated a price that I was twice the cost of material.(I usually charge 3X for most hand made stuff) He figured that I could use my stash and make some. Using yarn that is saved for a special project. He was also surprised at the time it takes to make them. *sigh* He at least took what I had to say with some thought. He will consider it and perhaps for Christmas will order a pair at good price. And he even asked how long before Christmas should he order them. I was proud to be able to educate some one before they became a serious mooch.
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    Post by: Idlewildstudios on August 03, 2013, 08:56:06 PM
    My husband is a carpenter by profession.  He had built many lovely pieces over the years for our home. He occasionally makes smaller items, like frames, as gifts when he had the time.  Honestly, he doesn't have a lot of time these past few years.  His parents asked him last winter if he'd make a set of bunk beds for the grandkids "since he likes to build things".  Ummmm... Any idea of the sheer amount of time and expense?  Nope.  It took 2 months to build and took over the garage at the coldest part of the year, making parking the car inside problematic.  It wasn't a fun project,  it was a chore that took every spare moment from himself, me and our daughter to get it done and out of the garage.

    They were very appreciative but even after he told them what it would have cost  if he had charged them they still didn't really get it.  We made it a Christsmas gift.

    His mom tries to pull the "but you like to build/ work with wood" card about once a year but is usually shut down. 
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    Post by: TeamBhakta on August 04, 2013, 10:50:06 PM
    I saw an article about a custom Golden Girls dollhouse today. This set of comments made me think of this thread:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/artist-53/golden-girls-dollhouse_n_3695796_274038473.html
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on August 13, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
    Upon reading this thread, I now find I want to know how to make my own chocolate and bacon.

    Someone posted something about sugarcraft and chocolate work.  I just want to know -- how did you go about learning it?  I live near the Bay area, and I've been searching for classes to learn it for months now.  I really haven't had much luck.  I've been fascinated with "Kings of Pastry" for awhile now, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to spend the time or money to go to pastry school since it would just be for fun.

    SoCalVal, are there any culinary schools near you?  You may want to call and see if you can take private lessons with an instructor or senior student. Chocolate classes should be easier to find than sugarcraft classes.  If I lived in the area, I'd give you my contact info.

    I know too, and think they are nationwide, Viking (stove maker) also offers classes. might be worth looking into that as well.

    Oh meant to tell you to also look up candy making.  Pulling sugar starts with learning how to cook sugar to different temperatures.  Candy Making classes are a good introduction to working with sugar

    I found:
    Spun Sugar in Berkely
    Baking Arts in San Francisco
    Bonbini in San Francisco.  They may do a specialty class if you ask
    San Fran Cooking School:

    Ooo!  Just saw your post!  Thank you!  Will look into these soon!  ;D
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    Post by: Mel the Redcap on September 01, 2013, 06:38:58 AM
    *snickering madly* http://cheezburger.com/7765875968

    Picture is safe, a couple of the comments are not, though there's no actual bad words involved... just implications. :P
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    Post by: CrochetFanatic on September 04, 2013, 10:19:24 AM
    I'm not sure if this counts, but I'll just stick it here because it involves crafting.  I've never been able to do cross stitch, but then again I never really tried all that hard.  A few days ago, I decided to really give it a go, and I got a small counted cross stitch pattern to try.  It took me about an hour and a half to figure it out, but it's actually going pretty fast now, and I should be able to finish it within a week.

    Anyway, on to my point.  I took "work-in-progress" picture and posted it on FB, mostly because I'm sort of proud of myself for finally getting the hang of it.  Later, when I logged on, I saw that someone had left a comment saying, "That can be my Christmas present."  And they weren't kidding.  :o  Even disregarding that, this is my first (successful) cross stitch project, and it's going right on my wall.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on September 04, 2013, 12:39:19 PM
    I play an egg finding game that is run off facebook. When people who chat, and I am one, find the new egg, we tell each other on chat. I posted that I had found one of the new eggs and someone immediately replied that I could send it to them. Um, no.

    A co-worker and his wife are expecting and I offered to make the cake for the work shower to save other people $$$ and because I know the cake will come out well. Today, co-worker's assistant was surprised when I said I would make the cake and cupcakes and bring everything to serve them, but I was not bringing anything else. It will cost me at least $30 in supplies, and I do not expect to be reimbursed. Why would I be expected to provide drinks/punch, cups and serving equipment?


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    Post by: NyaChan on September 04, 2013, 01:49:37 PM
    I've been cross stitching as well, and my sister has been making small noises of how I should make her something for a while now.  I agree because really, how many of these things will I want for myself right?  Then when we start looking at patterns, I realize she has NO idea how much work goes into certain techniques and I don't want to spend the next year working on this.  I talked her down to a basic heart tree and a quote underneath and reminded her that this was a hobby, so no ETA whatsoever!
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    Post by: siamesecat2965 on September 04, 2013, 02:38:40 PM

    A co-worker and his wife are expecting and I offered to make the cake for the work shower to save other people $$$ and because I know the cake will come out well. Today, co-worker's assistant was surprised when I said I would make the cake and cupcakes and bring everything to serve them, but I was not bringing anything else. It will cost me at least $30 in supplies, and I do not expect to be reimbursed. Why would I be expected to provide drinks/punch, cups and serving equipment?
    Amazing, isn't it? But don't you KNOW, that other stuff doens't cost that much.  so why are you being so darn selfish!!! >:D
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    Post by: Jocelyn on September 04, 2013, 09:11:15 PM
    My sister came and helped me unpack after my last move. Let me rephrase...she unpacked while I recuperated from the surgery I had to have 3 days after the move.
    After a long morning of wrangling in the crafts room in the basement, she came in and observed, 'You know, you really should finish some of those projects you have.' (pause) 'And give them away to your family and friends.'

    I don't know which project attracted her eye, but she'd more than deserve it. OTOH, helping people move is one of HER hobbies. Seriously.
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    Post by: jedikaiti on September 04, 2013, 09:16:00 PM
    My sister came and helped me unpack after my last move. Let me rephrase...she unpacked while I recuperated from the surgery I had to have 3 days after the move.
    After a long morning of wrangling in the crafts room in the basement, she came in and observed, 'You know, you really should finish some of those projects you have.' (pause) 'And give them away to your family and friends.'

    I don't know which project attracted her eye, but she'd more than deserve it. OTOH, helping people move is one of HER hobbies. Seriously.

    Does she live in/near Colorado and can I borrow her sometime in the (hopefully near) future?
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    Post by: emwithme on September 07, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
    Can you post her to the UK for me?  DH and I are moving in two weeks and I just cannot see where to start packing!
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    Post by: Jocelyn on September 07, 2013, 02:02:58 PM
    Can you post her to the UK for me?  DH and I are moving in two weeks and I just cannot see where to start packing!
    For a month in the UK, she just might be willing...
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    Post by: SDG31000 on September 07, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
    I have just finished knitting a baby cardigan in sock yarn/4 ply wool for a friend's daughter.  I have decided to knit a waistcoat or a jumper for myself.  I posted about it on Facebook and the first reply was from my sister telling me to knit her a jumper.
    DH suggested I told her how much the wool for it would be and how many hours it would take.  I decided to tell her to get Mom to teach her to knit and then she can make whatever she wants.  I'm largely self taught and she has someone who has knitted for decades just around the corner, so if she wants something she can learn to do it herself.
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    Post by: CrazyDaffodilLady on September 07, 2013, 10:41:30 PM
    This past week I was asked . . .

    1. To make a dream catcher for some friend of a friend's new baby.  Friend handed me yarn in the colors I'm to use and told me how she wanted it done.  Also, she'd making some cotton ball bees and cartoon characters that I'm to hang off the bottom.  This makes me cringe, but it's not a lot of work, so maybe.

    2. To crochet an afghan for a friend's son.  I can make it however I want, but it has to be camoflauge and must have a certain university logo on it.  Friend knows how to crochet, but I'm "so much better at it".    No.

    3. To make six copies of a wedding photo, because I "have a nice printer".  I have an average printer, but I do have expensive photo paper.  No.  Go to Kinko's or the library.

    4. To retype a 30-page document for Dad because his copy is stained. It's not something he needs or particularly wants.  No. 
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    Post by: MommyPenguin on September 09, 2013, 01:59:58 PM
    My grandmother is the primary caregiver for her daughter, who has fairly advanced MS.  Her daughter loves music, especially folk music.  She recently asked my grandmother, who is not incredibly technically literate, if she could make a blown-up copy of some album notes for her.  So my grandmother spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure out how to photocopy these liner notes and make them larger.  She finally figured it out and brought it over, so proud of herself.  My aunt, without even thanking her, said, "Put it in <the artist's> file."  Somehow I doubt my grandmother will be making effort for the next such request.
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    Post by: Pen^2 on September 09, 2013, 03:39:04 PM
    A person I knew from years ago at university, "John", contacted me out of the blue today. I had never liked this person, who was well-known to like nothing better than inciting arguments, and would bicker just for the sake of bickering. Needless to say, we were acquaintances only because we shared so many classes.

    I am a very casual artist, and when I have the time, I do highly-detailed pencil sketches wherein I aim for photo-realism. These take upwards of 8 hours, and I've had several commissioned and sold for a few hundred dollars each. John remembered these drawings and wanted me to do a sketch of him. I didn't particularly want to draw someone I dislike, but would have felt guilty for flat-out saying no, so I said sure, and told him the usual prices people had paid in the past.

    His response? "Oh, I know other people have to pay and stuff, but we both know I don't have to, thanks. It's just a drawing." He wanted 8-12 hours of work for free. If we were best buddies and it was his birthday or something, then I might do this. But not for this guy I hardly knew and found what I did know unpleasant. It took me quite a bit of effort not to tell him that if it was "just a drawing" that was worth nothing then he could bolly well do without it.
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    Post by: lilfox on September 09, 2013, 04:49:41 PM
    A person I knew from years ago at university, "John", contacted me out of the blue today. I had never liked this person, who was well-known to like nothing better than inciting arguments, and would bicker just for the sake of bickering. Needless to say, we were acquaintances only because we shared so many classes.

    I am a very casual artist, and when I have the time, I do highly-detailed pencil sketches wherein I aim for photo-realism. These take upwards of 8 hours, and I've had several commissioned and sold for a few hundred dollars each. John remembered these drawings and wanted me to do a sketch of him. I didn't particularly want to draw someone I dislike, but would have felt guilty for flat-out saying no, so I said sure, and told him the usual prices people had paid in the past.

    His response? "Oh, I know other people have to pay and stuff, but we both know I don't have to, thanks. It's just a drawing." He wanted 8-12 hours of work for free. If we were best buddies and it was his birthday or something, then I might do this. But not for this guy I hardly knew and found what I did know unpleasant. It took me quite a bit of effort not to tell him that if it was "just a drawing" that was worth nothing then he could bolly well do without it.

    Two suggestions:
    1) Send him a stick figure drawing of him and tell him this is the "free" version.

    2) Have you seen the Simpsons episode where Marge (secretly a good artist) is commissioned to paint a portrait of Mr. Burns?  She is disgusted by his rude behavior towards her family and ends up doing a greatly detailed portrait of him unclothed, all skin and bones and under-endowed to boot.   >:D
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    Post by: Mel the Redcap on September 09, 2013, 04:52:49 PM
    Mr Burns: "By the way, thank you for not poking fun at my manhood."
    Marge: "I thought I did."
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    Post by: Pen^2 on September 09, 2013, 04:53:39 PM
    Oh my, I loved that Simpsons episode, but associating someone as unpleasant as John with nudity is sickening.

    I might send him a blank piece of paper, with a note explaining that that is how much $0 gets him, but honestly I wouldn't want to waste the dollar or whatever on postage for this guy.
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    Post by: Jelaza on September 09, 2013, 08:12:07 PM
    Just email it to him.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on September 11, 2013, 08:02:18 AM

    A co-worker and his wife are expecting and I offered to make the cake for the work shower to save other people $$$ and because I know the cake will come out well. Today, co-worker's assistant was surprised when I said I would make the cake and cupcakes and bring everything to serve them, but I was not bringing anything else. It will cost me at least $30 in supplies, and I do not expect to be reimbursed. Why would I be expected to provide drinks/punch, cups and serving equipment?




    Co-worker's assistant (CWA) just happened to be at my office yesterday along with another member of our department. The other person is a very close friend of mine and I told her how frustrated I am by CWA's indecisiveness and procrastination about this event. The cake and cupcakes will still be the same, but I don't know if this is part of a meeting, a luncheon, or what! My friend offered to bring chips and dip and all the paper products, mainly so I am not asked to do that as well.

    CWA is planning to decide this during the staff meeting next week, with the GOH present!
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    Post by: Shoo on September 11, 2013, 09:10:48 AM
    A person I knew from years ago at university, "John", contacted me out of the blue today. I had never liked this person, who was well-known to like nothing better than inciting arguments, and would bicker just for the sake of bickering. Needless to say, we were acquaintances only because we shared so many classes.

    I am a very casual artist, and when I have the time, I do highly-detailed pencil sketches wherein I aim for photo-realism. These take upwards of 8 hours, and I've had several commissioned and sold for a few hundred dollars each. John remembered these drawings and wanted me to do a sketch of him. I didn't particularly want to draw someone I dislike, but would have felt guilty for flat-out saying no, so I said sure, and told him the usual prices people had paid in the past.

    His response? "Oh, I know other people have to pay and stuff, but we both know I don't have to, thanks. It's just a drawing." He wanted 8-12 hours of work for free. If we were best buddies and it was his birthday or something, then I might do this. But not for this guy I hardly knew and found what I did know unpleasant. It took me quite a bit of effort not to tell him that if it was "just a drawing" that was worth nothing then he could bolly well do without it.

    What did you tell him?
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    Post by: Pen^2 on September 11, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
    I stated somewhat laconically that I was quite busy working these days and simply couldn't afford to take a day off because I'd lose a much needed day's pay. So no matter how much I might want to draw for him, without any remuneration, it unfortunately wouldn't be possible. And he wouldn't want me to get into financial trouble, would he?

    I pretty much copied-and-pasted the last sentence for each of his responses thereafter ("But it's only a day!" "It's not worth money, though!" etc.) maybe five or six times before not replying anymore. Otherwise, this guy would just keep emailing single-sentence "arguments" for all eternity and any response he got would just encourage him to keep going (he thrives on drama and bickering), and it isn't my job to feed the flame. This whole thing may have been started because he was bored and emailed someone on his contact list whom he hadn't annoyed lately, but at least I can say I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
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    Post by: GlitterIsMyDrug on September 11, 2013, 11:23:17 AM
    I've lost count of the amount of people who say "But...why would you charge me? I'm your *however we happen to know each other*".

    I knit, I sew, I occasionally take old jewelry and make it into something new (but this is very occasional and usually just for personal use), and for my job I write and I also am a musical therapist (and can play several instruments).

    I love to knit, it's how I distress. However, I live in a warm climate and frankly between the two of us we only need so many hats and scarves. So I often knit up hats and give them to my friends or their kids. Recently I had a friend have a baby (in May and he's cute as all get out!), and when she told me she was expecting a boy I made up a few baby hats, two pairs of booties, and little stuffed animal. She's since asked if I'd mind knitting her up a few more hats as the ones I made her were awesome but he's getting a little too big for them. She offered to pay me, or at least pay for my supplies. I have a huge stock of yarn (given to me by a friend of my mom's whose a knitter too), so I told her to come over and pick out what she wanted and I'd knit them up, no charge. This is mostly because the same woman does my taxes, my partner's taxes, and my business taxes for a very very small fee (seriously, H&R block would charge me triple), so I'm happy to help her out. Plus, she offered to pay, and I need to whittle down this yarn.

    Now another friend finds out I'm doing this for her (I dunno how, friend grapevine I suppose) and texts me to see if I'll knit a few booties up for her two daughters. She's very specific on the yarn she wants, how she wants them done, ect. So I tell her she'll need to pay for supplies (I can get them or she can her choice), and I'll need X amount for my time. Her response was that I was doing it for first friend for free. I said no I'm doing for tax perpetration services, and she's just picking from supplies I already have, plus hats are much less involved. She huffed, puffed, and said she'd just buy something off etsy, awesome, have a great day.

    I get hit up all the time for "Can you write my business proposal", "Can you teach me to play an instrument", "I need this tailored, can you do that?". I don't mind doing favors for friends occasionally. And I'm all about trading. For instance, my partner and I get our hair done for free because I helped the woman who cuts our hair with her business proposal and am giving her daughter guitar lessons for free, and my partner built and designed her webpage for free. I mend all of my mechanic's clothes and fixes our cars (everything but oil changes) for free. I love trading. I have a skill, you have a skill, lets work together. But "Do this for free cause you love doing it", nope.

    And my poor partner. She's a programmer with a lot of web design background. If anything happens to anyone's computer ever, she's getting the phone call. And they expect her to do it for free. She won't. She'll give them a discount usually, but they're going to have to pay something. Really has made those hit ups for free fixing fewer and further between. She'll still get the occasional "Ok, it's doing this, what can I do?" call, and she'll give them advice but if you want more then that, it's probably gonna cost.
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    Post by: Reader on September 11, 2013, 12:02:43 PM
    I bow to all that has a skill I admire but do not have the knowledge or skills to execute.  I have a couple of friends who do sew, they will do little fixes here and there for me, but anything bigger, like replace a zipper, rip out seams, and taking in I take to a professional tailor.  It always angers me when I see people trying to take advantage of them and their time.  Heck even when I needed just a password sign in put on my home computer, and to have something removed I paid my renter $20 off of his next month's rent.  I treated it like a prado exchange.  I got my computer fixed for cheap, way cheaper than calling geek squad or an independent IT person, and my renter got $20 for less than half hour's work.  I could also see the look of surprise, and happiness that I didn't expect him to do for free or because we are friends.  Now 2 years later, I've heard enough stories of his other firends and coworkers expecting him to do it for free because it's his hobby that he loves.
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    Post by: cwm on September 11, 2013, 01:20:45 PM
    Whenever I need something sewed, I go to my grandma or my friend, E. Both of them have sewing machines and expertise, and time. I schedule it with them to see when they're free, and go and don't ask them to do anything (short of maybe re-threading the bobbin, because both of their machines make that as difficult as possible). I just ask them to let me use their machine and be available for questions if I have any.

    I made a skirt this way. It's not the greatest, there's a few holes in the seams (that can be easily fixed by hand, and you have to actually know where they are to find them). And I let my sister use this skirt in her Ren Faire costume.

    She is now demanding that I take it in for her. So I added a very loose sloppy seam along the side to take it in. And now she wants it shortened. Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.

    At this point I've told her that until I get my own skirt finished (it'll be a few more months yet, it's at E's and she's getting ready to move in a few weeks) that it simply won't be possible. She's getting to wear it for another faire this year, and she wouldn't be allowed to wear a skirt like she wants it to be at work, so I'm not really depriving her of anything she didn't already have. She doesn't get it, and thinks I'm terrible because I promised her (wrong) and now she's down one skirt in her wardrobe (again wrong).

    Oh well. At least I know I can make one like that. It looks good on her, and when mine is done it'll look good on me too.
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    Post by: magicdomino on September 11, 2013, 02:30:28 PM

     Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.


    O-kaaay.  I know little about sewing, and even less about Ren Faire costumes, but I'm pretty sure we are talking about two totally different skirt styles here.  But your sister insists that it be one skirt for both work and Faire.  Could she be hoping that you'll give up and make her a second skirt?   ???
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    Post by: Carotte on September 11, 2013, 03:05:45 PM
    Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.

    Does she also want a golden goose and a hompa-lompa?  :o
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    Post by: VorFemme on September 11, 2013, 03:08:54 PM
    Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.


    Does she also want a golden goose and a hompa-lompa?  :o

    Wouldn't that be a Golden Ticket and an oompa-loompa?  Or is it not a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory reference?
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Carotte on September 11, 2013, 03:12:41 PM
    Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.


    Does she also want a golden goose and a hompa-lompa?  :o

    Wouldn't that be a Golden Ticket and an oompa-loompa?  Or is it not a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory reference?

    Yeah it was, I just blanked on how to spell Oompa-Loompa (and forgot to check).
    But Veruca already had the golden ticket, didn't she threw a fit in the golden egg room and wanted a Golden-egg laying goose too?
    I'm talking about the first movie, not the remake, I don't know if it was in that one.
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    Post by: VorFemme on September 11, 2013, 03:15:53 PM
    I remember the first one better than the remake...Johnny Depp is awesome - but Wonka going to Charlie's house and the flashback to Wonka's father...did NOT add to the story.  In my opinion.
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    Post by: Hillia on September 11, 2013, 03:20:50 PM
    I remember the first one better than the remake...Johnny Depp is awesome - but Wonka going to Charlie's house and the flashback to Wonka's father...did NOT add to the story.  In my opinion.

    I do love Johnny Depp but was not a fan of the remake.  It lost all the joy and wonder of the original, IMO.  Willy Wonka is supremely confident, not afraid and traumatized.
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    Post by: lilfox on September 11, 2013, 03:29:40 PM
    I get hit up all the time for "Can you write my business proposal", "Can you teach me to play an instrument", "I need this tailored, can you do that?". I don't mind doing favors for friends occasionally. And I'm all about trading. For instance, my partner and I get our hair done for free because I helped the woman who cuts our hair with her business proposal and am giving her daughter guitar lessons for free, and my partner built and designed her webpage for free. I mend all of my mechanic's clothes and fixes our cars (everything but oil changes) for free. I love trading. I have a skill, you have a skill, lets work together. But "Do this for free cause you love doing it", nope.


    Fixed that for you  ;)  You have a great bartering system there so nothing is "free" exactly, because you get something of value to you in return for the things you do that someone else values.  It's the people who say that last bit, wanting something in exchange for nothing, not even money, that's too much.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: aiki on September 11, 2013, 10:44:31 PM
    Oh my, I loved that Simpsons episode, but associating someone as unpleasant as John with nudity is sickening.

    I might send him a blank piece of paper, with a note explaining that that is how much $0 gets him, but honestly I wouldn't want to waste the dollar or whatever on postage for this guy.

    A link to a "how to draw stuff" video on youtube would be free, just saying...
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    Post by: MariaE on September 11, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
    Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.


    Does she also want a golden goose and a hompa-lompa?  :o

    Wouldn't that be a Golden Ticket and an oompa-loompa?  Or is it not a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory reference?

    Yeah it was, I just blanked on how to spell Oompa-Loompa (and forgot to check).
    But Veruca already had the golden ticket, didn't she threw a fit in the golden egg room and wanted a Golden-egg laying goose too?
    I'm talking about the first movie, not the remake, I don't know if it was in that one.

    And here I thought you were referring to the book, which is better than either ;)
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on September 12, 2013, 02:27:08 AM
    I have the oompa looma song stuck in my head.
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    Post by: Pen^2 on September 12, 2013, 03:47:14 AM
    Hompa-lompa sounds like a Hokkien curry or something that I'd love to try :P

    I loved the oompa loompa actor in the newer film (his dead-pan facial expression somehow struck me as hilarious) but otherwise liked the first film with Mr Wonka as all confident and bonkers. Although someone once told me that all the business with his father was in an early plot outline but Roald Dahl scrapped it in favour of what was eventually the published story, so maybe it's not entirely made-up. I still didn't like it, though.
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    Post by: AmethystAnne on September 12, 2013, 08:41:08 AM
    Oh my, I loved that Simpsons episode, but associating someone as unpleasant as John with nudity is sickening.

    I might send him a blank piece of paper, with a note explaining that that is how much $0 gets him, but honestly I wouldn't want to waste the dollar or whatever on postage for this guy.

    A link to a "how to draw stuff" video on youtube would be free, just saying...

    Dang....everything is on youtube!  ;D Thank you for the reminder  :-* 
    (I've always wanted to be able to draw something other than stick figure people)
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    Post by: amylouky on September 12, 2013, 09:12:03 AM
    Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.


    Does she also want a golden goose and a hompa-lompa?  :o

    Wouldn't that be a Golden Ticket and an oompa-loompa?  Or is it not a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory reference?

    Yeah it was, I just blanked on how to spell Oompa-Loompa (and forgot to check).
    But Veruca already had the golden ticket, didn't she threw a fit in the golden egg room and wanted a Golden-egg laying goose too?
    I'm talking about the first movie, not the remake, I don't know if it was in that one.

    And here I thought you were referring to the book, which is better than either ;)

    I always loved the Vermicious Knids. Just the name is awesome.
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    Post by: cwm on September 12, 2013, 09:49:36 AM
    Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.

    Does she also want a golden goose and a hompa-lompa?  :o

    Well, she is always after what money she can get. And we do call the Sproglet (her daughter) an Oompa Loompa because she's so small and has the triangle points on her hair, so I'm not really sure...
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    Post by: FauxFoodist on September 12, 2013, 01:54:49 PM
    Oh my, I loved that Simpsons episode, but associating someone as unpleasant as John with nudity is sickening.

    I might send him a blank piece of paper, with a note explaining that that is how much $0 gets him, but honestly I wouldn't want to waste the dollar or whatever on postage for this guy.

    A link to a "how to draw stuff" video on youtube would be free, just saying...

    Dang....everything is on youtube!  ;D Thank you for the reminder  :-* 
    (I've always wanted to be able to draw something other than stick figure people)

    I say send him an e-mail with the subject line "The drawing you requested" then link to a YouTube video...of Rick Astley (yes, I say, Rick-Roll him, woohoo!  ;)).
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    Post by: z_squared82 on September 30, 2013, 08:38:40 AM
    All right, this didn’t happen to me, but I thought it was too funny not to share.

    A high school classmate (and FB friend) is a photographer with her husband. A rather good photographer. They have a blog, and when it is updated, the link it always shared on FB. In addition to the requisite weddings, family portrait sessions and seniors (high school), she also posts some family pictures, especially when it’s her children being super cute, like doing yoga with her. Or in their Halloween costumes.

    While said friend is not on Pinterest, people “pin” pictures from her blog to Pinterest, so any member can see them.

    Said friend has already gotten 5-6 emails from Complete Strangers asking how much she charges for the infant Oompa Loompa costume. When she has never claimed to want to make them. Or sell them. One woman even asked, “How much for three, I’m on a fixed income.” Said friend has started saying, it cost her $8, go be creative, but you’ll never be able to replicate it exactly since she got half the costume at a thrift shop.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on September 30, 2013, 09:43:54 AM

    A co-worker and his wife are expecting and I offered to make the cake for the work shower to save other people $$$ and because I know the cake will come out well. Today, co-worker's assistant was surprised when I said I would make the cake and cupcakes and bring everything to serve them, but I was not bringing anything else. It will cost me at least $30 in supplies, and I do not expect to be reimbursed. Why would I be expected to provide drinks/punch, cups and serving equipment?


    Co-worker's assistant (CWA) just happened to be at my office yesterday along with another member of our department. The other person is a very close friend of mine and I told her how frustrated I am by CWA's indecisiveness and procrastination about this event. The cake and cupcakes will still be the same, but I don't know if this is part of a meeting, a luncheon, or what! My friend offered to bring chips and dip and all the paper products, mainly so I am not asked to do that as well.

    CWA is planning to decide this during the staff meeting next week, with the GOH present!

    So, I cornered CWA on IM last week and asked her about a theme and if the shower was going to be just cake and punch or more substantial.

    Me: Have you decided on a theme for the shower?
    CWA: Yes, theme B.
    Me: Oh, I thought that was the theme for the shower occurring at their location (the week after ours)?
    CWA: It is.
    Me: Did you already purchase things that are theme B?
    CWA: No, I haven't bought anything yet. (3 weeks out at the time.)
    Me: (Thinking, okay, lets do something different! ) I said, doesn't co-worker like this and this as well?
    CWA: Yes, he does.
    Me: Let's do that theme then.
    CWA: Okay, that will be good.

    I decided to do cupcakes, as we won't need to cut any cake and I can send some home with the guest of honor. I ordered cupcake toppers to match the theme and decided on flavors for the cupcakes. My friend is picking up plates, napkins, cups and a tablecloth to match the theme as CWA is on leave until the week of the shower.

    So, I guess friend and I are hosting?  ::) At least coworker will have a nice baby shower.  :D
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    Post by: purplerainbow on October 04, 2013, 04:08:42 AM
    I admit, I am more often the asker, than the skilled person.  :-[ But I am always grateful!

    My sister makes amazing brownies. Gooey-centred, yummy chocolate brownies. For my 18th birthday, I can't remember if I asked or if she offered, but she made me a batch to take into school to give to my friends. They were awesome... although my 18th birthday was during Lent, so not many people had one because they'd given up chocolate. But at least that meant there were some left over for my family later on.  :) I did thank her, of course!

    Last year, my laptop wouldn't work. I couldn't log on, and it would spend actual HOURS on the "please wait" loading screen.  :( So my mum said she would ask her colleague, who knows about computers/IT, if he would take a look at it, instead of me taking it somewhere and paying money. I gratefully agreed to this, and the colleague took it home with him. My laptop also got passed on to his son, who is a major computer geek. (I say this in tones of admiration - I bow down to computer geeks!)
    I was so, so grateful when they returned it working again! But I didn't pester, and I would have been perfectly willing to pay some computer repair shop to do the work if my mum's colleague and his son hadn't been willing/able to do it. The way I saw it, they were doing me a HUGE favour, that they didn't have to do.

    I just don't get peoples' sense of entitlement when it comes to freebies/favours/jobs etc. "I want xyz done exactly with abc, and I need it for tomorrow!" without so much as a please or thank you, or consideration.
    Some people have told me in the past that I say "thank you" a lot - too much, even. But the way I see it, if someone's doing me a favour, then why wouldn't I thank them?  :o

    I had a friend at uni who was studying Computer Science (I think that was it), and was fairly good at programming. As such, he (along with a couple of other computer-geek friends) became the default go-to guy if someone's laptop had a problem. If he felt you were abusing his kindness (or even if you were a good enough friend and he just fancied the kicks and giggles), he'd sometimes set your homepage to something explicit (I know, not really e-hell approved).
    I once went for months without noticing, because he'd done it on IE, whereas I'd started using Google Chrome. Only found out because my housemate wanted to look something up on the internet and used IE!  :D  :P
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    Post by: MariaE on October 04, 2013, 08:02:38 AM
    Don't feel embarrassed, purplerainbow! Asking isn't always wrong, as long as the askee defers to a few simple rules (which I'm sure you do :) )

    1. Realize that you're asking a favour and depending on the craft a pretty significant one at that.
    2. Offer to pay for the item or at the very least reimburse the material used.
    3. Be sufficiently grateful.
    4. Gushing is not required but always appreciated ;)

    I'm a knitter, and I LOVE knitting things for my sisters and their kids. I don't mind at all when they ask if I'll knit them something because they follow all 4 rules mentioned above. My oldest niece (age 8 at the time) asked me if I'd knit her a pair of fingerless mittens - I finished them the morning of my other sister's wedding, and not only did she put them on straight away, she didn't want to take them off at all during the ceremony! (her mother did make her take them off as she performed her duties as a flowergirl though ;) ). My oldest nephew asked me to knit him a dragon hat and loved it so much that when he outgrew it, he asked me if I would make it bigger... and then postponed getting his head shaved until I'd finished, because his mother told him he could only shave it if he promised to wear a hat whenever he went outside, and he wanted to wear the one I was fixing :)

    Stuff like that warms a knitter's heart... and it warms a knitting aunt's heart even more! My nieblings will always be knitworthy as long as they treat my knitwear like that :)
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    Post by: Hillia on October 04, 2013, 08:33:10 AM
    On the same theme, but from the asker's POV...the person doing the favor gets to set the parameters (within reason) of how and when the favor is done.  If you don't like those conditions, don't ask.

    DH and I have done 2 interstate moves in the past 3 years.  Both times, his father has offered to come help, drive a truck, etc.  We've declined with thanks both times, because FIL has very definite ideas of How Things Should Be Done, and they are quite different from ours (OK, mine - DH is a go-along guy).  He refuses to drive over 50 on the highway, for example, and I can imagine that would slow down even more driving a moving van.  He works at a very slow, deliberate pace, with frequent diversions, and takes shortcuts.  And he gets very sullen and PA if you don't do things exactly the way he envisions them.  No thank you.
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    Post by: alkira6 on October 04, 2013, 11:05:42 AM
    I finally got around to clearing out some of the backlog of sewing favors this past week.  I re-hemmed 18 pairs of pants, sewed on 7 buttons, fixed 3 sleeve rips, and 3 pocket rips.  Some of these things have been up there for months waiting for me to get around to it.  I still have to line 2 skirts and take in a dress.
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    Post by: Shalamar on October 04, 2013, 11:48:36 AM
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    I just don't get peoples' sense of entitlement when it comes to freebies/favours/jobs etc. "I want xyz done exactly with abc, and I need it for tomorrow!" without so much as a please or thank you, or consideration.

    Oh, so you've met my MIL, then?  Her "requests" to my husband (her son) are usually worded thusly:  "I need some more business cards.  They should say (Blah), and I have to have them by the end of the week."   I'm always dying to say sweetly "There's a Kinkos down the street, and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to accommodate you."

    (In case you're wondering, my husband isn't a printer by trade.  He's a database administrator for Big Blue.  The fact that we have a decent printer and the technical know-how to print business cards apparently means that he will do them for his mother for free, without a single please or thank-you.)
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: camlan on October 04, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
    I never thought it would happen to me, but it did today.

    I can't knit. I've tried, and the simplest scarf has a very wavy edge from all the unintentional increases and decreases that happen. I stick to what I can do well--crocheting.

    There's a military airfield near me, and frequently, flights of service people headed for deployment or coming home from deployment land there for refueling/restocking. There's a volunteer organization that meets every flight and provides the troops with pizza and coffee and other goodies during the layover. I can't make many of the layovers, as I work, so I can't make the ones during the day, or the ones in the middle of the night. I get to the ones I can, and to make a tiny bit of a contribution, I crochet hats. Every person heading out on deployment gets a hand-knitting or hand-crocheted hat.

    I got word from the coordinator of the hat project that they are running low on hats. So instead of just working on hats when I watch TV, I've brought yarn to work and work on hats during breaks. A co-worker saw me madly crocheting at lunch last week.

    Says the co-worker, "Ooooh! I need to get you to knit something for me!"

    Me: Sorry, I only crochet. And right now, I'm only working on this project for our troops.

    Co-worker: But I want a hat! (pouty face)

    Me: Well, I can get you a copy of the pattern if you like.

    Co-worker: No, I want a pretty hat!

    Lunch time was over, so I got up and left.

    Today at lunch, Co-worker bounces over and throws a pattern down in front of me. 1) It is for knitting. 2) It is incredibly elaborate, with cables  and a brim.

    Co-worker: Here! Make this for me.

    Me: I can't.

    Co-worker: Why not? I want it!

    Me: I don't knit. That's a knitted hat.

    Co-worker: Insert your favorite whines and pleading here.

    Me: Sorry. I don't knit. And I only crochet for family and members of the Armed Forces. When you enlist, let me know and I'll make you a hat.

    Then I got up and left.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Outdoor Girl on October 04, 2013, 05:34:42 PM
    Me: Sorry. I don't knit. And I only crochet for family and members of the Armed Forces. When you enlist, let me know and I'll make you a hat.

    Love it!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: PastryGoddess on October 04, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
    Quote
    Today at lunch, Co-worker bounces over and throws a pattern down in front of me. 1) It is for knitting. 2) It is incredibly elaborate, with cables  and a brim.


    Co-worker: Here! Make this for me.


    Me: I can't.

    Co-worker: Why not? I want it!


    Here let I'll take over the banging one's head on the wall portion of this thread. 


    That exchange makes me seethe.  I hate when people do this to me. 
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: gmatoy on October 04, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
    When I was in the Army, I often got asked to sew on new rank insignia, etc. Which I did for most people.  The exception? The guy who threw his jacket at me and said, "By tomorrow."

    I tossed it back at him and said, "Never."

    He was amazed. He couldn't understand it. He just didn't believe I wouldn't do it.

    Finally, another guy in our office took him aside and said, "Look, I know she has done stuff for other people in this office, but you broke the rules."

    Jacket thrower: "What rules?"

    Other guy: " You ask. you don't demand. You offer something for her work: money, rides, food, something."

    Jacket thrower: "I never did any of that for my mom."

    Other guy: "That WAC is not your mom, idiot!"

    Jacket thrower never did pull his stuff together enough to get any sewing done by me!

    Everyone else did. They took me places, they bought me food, they brought back stuff from their leaves home. I liked being helpful to and for them.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Jelaza on October 04, 2013, 09:25:40 PM

    Co-worker: Why not? I want it!


    Having young nieces and nephews, I now reflexively respond to any "I wants" with "And I want a million dollars and a pony."
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: VorFemme on October 04, 2013, 11:38:52 PM
    When I was in the Army, I often got asked to sew on new rank insignia, etc. Which I did for most people.  The exception? The guy who threw his jacket at me and said, "By tomorrow."

    I tossed it back at him and said, "Never."

    He was amazed. He couldn't understand it. He just didn't believe I wouldn't do it.

    Finally, another guy in our office took him aside and said, "Look, I know she has done stuff for other people in this office, but you broke the rules."

    Jacket thrower: "What rules?"

    Other guy: " You ask. you don't demand. You offer something for her work: money, rides, food, something."

    Jacket thrower: "I never did any of that for my mom."

    Other guy: "That WAC is not your mom, idiot!"

    Jacket thrower never did pull his stuff together enough to get any sewing done by me!

    Everyone else did. They took me places, they bought me food, they brought back stuff from their leaves home. I liked being helpful to and for them.

    This is why there is an alterations person working at the dry cleaning location by Uniform Clothing Sales - they also hem pants & skirts (finally figured out that I never finished this post for some reason).
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: purplerainbow on October 05, 2013, 05:50:40 AM
    Reminds me of some occasions at work. I work in a school library, after the end of the school day. It's open until a reasonable hour, but since I'm the only member of staff in there (usually) and the kids aren't allowed to be in there unsupervised, it closes when I leave, at the set closing time.
    Occasionally, a student will ask for 5/10/15 more minutes to finish off the last piece of a project. The answer can vary, dependent on a number of factors, such as:
    - whether I need to be home by a certain time that afternoon (eg to cook dinner)
    - whether or not I feel like staying at work longer. While I sometimes do it voluntarily, I don't have to.
    - their reason for needing the time. If the student has been working solidly since the library opened, and is almost finished, I'm more sympathetic. But if they spent the best part of an hour chatting to their friends instead of working, or they just got out of detention, I'm far less likely to keep the library open for them. In the case of detention, it's not that I think they're a bad kid, it's just that I don't see why I should give up my personal time, because they forgot something/were rude to a teacher/didn't hand in their homework etc.
    - their attitude. If they're polite, well-behaved, and seem to realise that I am actually doing them a favour, I am far more likely to stay a bit longer than if they rudely demand that the library stay open to suit them, say something like, "but you're paid to be here", and lack any hint of thanks or gratefulness, as if my free time is some constitutional right.  ::)

    I draw the line at lending out items from my personal pencil case, though. If I lend something to one person, it feels bad saying no to someone else. So I don't lend anything. Besides which, they should generally have what they need anyway.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Elfmama on October 05, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
    Quote
    Today at lunch, Co-worker bounces over and throws a pattern down in front of me. 1) It is for knitting. 2) It is incredibly elaborate, with cables  and a brim.


    Co-worker: Here! Make this for me.


    Me: I can't.

    Co-worker: Why not? I want it!


    Here let I'll take over the banging one's head on the wall portion of this thread. 


    That exchange makes me seethe.  I hate when people do this to me.
    Perhaps we should bang the demanders' heads on the wall instead of our own.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: PastryGoddess on October 05, 2013, 04:49:01 PM
    Quote
    Today at lunch, Co-worker bounces over and throws a pattern down in front of me. 1) It is for knitting. 2) It is incredibly elaborate, with cables  and a brim.


    Co-worker: Here! Make this for me.


    Me: I can't.

    Co-worker: Why not? I want it!


    Here let I'll take over the banging one's head on the wall portion of this thread. 


    That exchange makes me seethe.  I hate when people do this to me.
    Perhaps we should bang the demanders' heads on the wall instead of our own.
    I like the way you think :D
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GlitterIsMyDrug on October 09, 2013, 11:37:31 AM
    So a friend of mine, she had a kid pretty recently. It's a cute kid. She had mentioned in passing awhile back how once kid showed up she wanted to get some baby legs for kid, especially since our weather is finally cooling down. Since I'd never made baby legs I thought "Gee, I'd like to try making those", so I made a few. Specifically for this kid, and once kid actually showed up, I gifted them to the parents. Well I actually dropped off the present with the grandparents to give to the parents because I didn't want to bug new parents and I'm worried I'm coming down with a cold (didn't want to gift that, it's mine!). Anyways one of the pairs of baby legs is in Noterdame colors, so friend posts up picture this weekend of kid in ND outfit with, oh the baby legs! Friend who went to high school with both of us commented how cute the baby legs were and asked were they got them. Friend of mine says "Oh, Glitter knitted them up as a baby gift to us!", then I get a message from friend who went to high school asking for baby legs for her kid. Actually what she said was "I need some baby legs for my son. At least two pairs, ND colors for one, and just some boy for the other"....ok...what would you like me to do with this information?

    I sent her a response that said: I'd be happy to knit you a few! If you'd like you can buy the yarn you want me to use and I'll knit them up for you for $2 a pair. Or I can use something I have on hand for $5 a pair. Custom orders range from $7-$20 a pair depending on how much the yarn will cost. Let me know what avenue you'd like to take.

    Her message back to me was: Oh. LOL, I thought maybe I could get a pair and just ya know...drive some business to you! I'd tell all my friends where I got them from! ;)

    Me: Thank you, but that isn't necessary. I can handle my own marketing. So, have you decided which opition for your baby legs?

    Yeah, nothing back and I know I won't hear anything back either. A friend of the original friend though (a woman I don't know), sent me this message: Hi, I'm a friend of J's and she showed me some of the super cute baby legs you've knitted for her. I have some yarn already and I've been looking for someone who can knit me up some baby legs. I'd be happy to pay you for your time, and no rush on them at all! Can we meet for coffee to discuss details?

    So I met her, she's paying $5 a pair, she's also asked if I can knit her a few caps out of some stash yarn I already have (also $5 each!). She set the price.

    See, some people can figure out the right way to ask! Other people are nit-wits.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: ladyknight1 on October 09, 2013, 12:26:19 PM
    I seem to run into the nit-wits.

    After the baby shower next week, if my co-workers volunteer my time, efforts and money again to provide a cake/cupcakes for an event, they will be told my going rate. No $$, no cake.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: PastryGoddess on October 09, 2013, 12:35:27 PM
    don't you mean Knit-wits  8)
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: BarensMom on October 09, 2013, 12:36:40 PM
    So a friend of mine, she had a kid pretty recently. It's a cute kid. She had mentioned in passing awhile back how once kid showed up she wanted to get some baby legs for kid, especially since our weather is finally cooling down. Since I'd never made baby legs I thought "Gee, I'd like to try making those", so I made a few. Specifically for this kid, and once kid actually showed up, I gifted them to the parents. Well I actually dropped off the present with the grandparents to give to the parents because I didn't want to bug new parents and I'm worried I'm coming down with a cold (didn't want to gift that, it's mine!). Anyways one of the pairs of baby legs is in Noterdame colors, so friend posts up picture this weekend of kid in ND outfit with, oh the baby legs! Friend who went to high school with both of us commented how cute the baby legs were and asked were they got them. Friend of mine says "Oh, Glitter knitted them up as a baby gift to us!", then I get a message from friend who went to high school asking for baby legs for her kid. Actually what she said was "I need some baby legs for my son. At least two pairs, ND colors for one, and just some boy for the other"....ok...what would you like me to do with this information?

    I sent her a response that said: I'd be happy to knit you a few! If you'd like you can buy the yarn you want me to use and I'll knit them up for you for $2 a pair. Or I can use something I have on hand for $5 a pair. Custom orders range from $7-$20 a pair depending on how much the yarn will cost. Let me know what avenue you'd like to take.

    Her message back to me was: Oh. LOL, I thought maybe I could get a pair and just ya know...drive some business to you! I'd tell all my friends where I got them from! ;)

    Me: Thank you, but that isn't necessary. I can handle my own marketing. So, have you decided which opition for your baby legs?

    Yeah, nothing back and I know I won't hear anything back either. A friend of the original friend though (a woman I don't know), sent me this message: Hi, I'm a friend of J's and she showed me some of the super cute baby legs you've knitted for her. I have some yarn already and I've been looking for someone who can knit me up some baby legs. I'd be happy to pay you for your time, and no rush on them at all! Can we meet for coffee to discuss details?

    So I met her, she's paying $5 a pair, she's also asked if I can knit her a few caps out of some stash yarn I already have (also $5 each!). She set the price.

    See, some people can figure out the right way to ask! Other people are nit-wits.

    Gee, Glitter, at $5/pair, it doesn't seem like you're charging enough for your time spent. 
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: NyaChan on October 09, 2013, 12:40:09 PM
    I can't believe she had the audacity to ask for it for free when you are charging so little!  I've seen socks that are machine made that cost more!  Come on people  >:(
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Outdoor Girl on October 09, 2013, 12:40:27 PM
    That's what I was thinking!  I don't know what baby legs are (Are they like leg warmers?  No feet in them?) but it does sound like an extremely reasonable amount.

    $5 for a hat from stash yarn, if it is just plain and a mindless, TV watching project, is about what I'd charge.  But anything more complicated than that?  Needs to be more money.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GlitterIsMyDrug on October 09, 2013, 01:04:19 PM
    Yeah, they're basically like leg warmers but...for babies! A lot of parents who cloth diaper use them apparently because then they can show off the cute design on the cloth diaper (my friend uses them like tights).

    I knew I was going low as they cost much more on line, but I figure I'm still learning and I can't promise when I'll have them done as I have to do my real job too and that comes first.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: MommyPenguin on October 09, 2013, 01:07:16 PM
    Yeah, that's so little!  I'd totally buy a pair for that much!  :)

    I have a ton of yarn, as I really fell in love with this one kind and bought a bunch (back when I was knitting a lot) and then I sort of lost steam with knitting.  I need to get back into it sometime.  I need to finish the stocking for the baby first, though.  It doesn't have the foot part done yet.  That's no fun, all the treats would fall out!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GlitterIsMyDrug on October 09, 2013, 01:18:57 PM

    Co-worker: Why not? I want it!


    Having young nieces and nephews, I now reflexively respond to any "I wants" with "And I want a million dollars and a pony."

    My mother always said "It's good to want things, builds charterer", or "Good to have goals dear".
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Hillia on October 09, 2013, 01:43:49 PM
    My favorite is 'People in h3ll want ice water'
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: cwm on October 09, 2013, 01:55:08 PM
    My dad's favorite was "Poo in one hand, want in the other. See which one fills up first." Except his version was much more vulgar.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: CrazyDaffodilLady on October 09, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
    I’ve seen this one coming, but have been waiting to see what form it would take.

    I know Doris from a crochet class, and she’s quite capable of crocheting things herself, but she’s very very lazy.  Over two years ago she promised to make afghans for her two grandchildren (boy and girl), but hasn’t yet started them.  I hit a slow spell recently and offered to make an afghan for her granddaughter, because it was a pattern I wanted to make.  I’ve been working hard on the afghan for six weeks and am about 2/3 done.

    Today I mentioned my progress to Doris, and her response was “Grandson is going to want to know where his is”. 

    A lot of not-so-ehell-approved responses came to mind, but I said nothing because I want to watch the progression of manipulative hints and sense of entitlement that follow before I agree to make an afghan for the grandson – which I intend to do because I want to. 

    But she doesn’t need to know that for a while. 
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: VorFemme on October 09, 2013, 05:29:05 PM
    Mention CASH for your trouble - or at least meeting her at a restaurant for dinner at her expense for you to turn over each of the afghans to her.

    Note - no place with a "dollar menu" qualifies.  Someplace a little nicer in exchange for what you're doing for her....Snarky suggests embroidering your name and the year in one corner to show who really made it.  But that would be up to you....
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: PastryGoddess on October 09, 2013, 08:49:12 PM
    Mention CASH for your trouble - or at least meeting her at a restaurant for dinner at her expense for you to turn over each of the afghans to her.

    Note - no place with a "dollar menu" qualifies.  Someplace a little nicer in exchange for what you're doing for her....Snarky suggests embroidering your name and the year in one corner to show who really made it.  But that would be up to you....

    Snarky may be on to something. 
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Outdoor Girl on October 09, 2013, 08:53:27 PM
    I'm with Snarky, too.  Definitely make sure it is identifiable as made by you, rather than Doris.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Tea Drinker on October 09, 2013, 11:00:35 PM
    You could say that you want to meet the child you're making an afghan for, and present it in person: "Hi, I'm Daffodil Lady. Your grandma asked me to make you an afghan. I hope you like it."
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Stormtreader on October 10, 2013, 04:41:09 AM
    I’ve seen this one coming, but have been waiting to see what form it would take.

    I know Doris from a crochet class, and she’s quite capable of crocheting things herself, but she’s very very lazy.  Over two years ago she promised to make afghans for her two grandchildren (boy and girl), but hasn’t yet started them.  I hit a slow spell recently and offered to make an afghan for her granddaughter, because it was a pattern I wanted to make.  I’ve been working hard on the afghan for six weeks and am about 2/3 done.

    Today I mentioned my progress to Doris, and her response was “Grandson is going to want to know where his is”. 

    A lot of not-so-ehell-approved responses came to mind, but I said nothing because I want to watch the progression of manipulative hints and sense of entitlement that follow before I agree to make an afghan for the grandson – which I intend to do because I want to. 

    But she doesn’t need to know that for a while.

    "Probably! Youre going to have to work quickly to get that done at the same time as mine!"
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: menley on October 30, 2013, 02:23:47 PM
    So in the interest of NOT being one of these awful people…

    A friend has crocheted a scarf for me. She made one for herself, I gave it hearty compliments and she offered to make one for me in whatever colors I'd like. I bought the yarn and she's done it already, in about 2-3 hours as she said she was bored :)

    I'll see her this week and I want to pay her for her efforts. However, she is one of those people that tries never to accept money for anything (for example, she bought me an ice cream the other day because I didn't have the right change and almost refused to take the money when I tried to pay her back, despite me clearly owing the money!) So, I can't ask her how much she would charge because she would almost certainly refuse to tell me.

    Any thoughts on what I should pay her? I found similar scarves on Etsy (it's an infinity scarf, sort of like this - https://www.etsy.com/listing/119425686/cozy-and-warm-crochet-infinity-scarf (https://www.etsy.com/listing/119425686/cozy-and-warm-crochet-infinity-scarf)) but the prices range all over the place, from $15 to over $100 in some cases!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GlitterIsMyDrug on October 30, 2013, 02:27:57 PM
    Rather then paying her with money (as it sounds she did it for just because you were her friend) what about treating her to a thank you lunch or coffee?
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: cwm on October 30, 2013, 02:30:50 PM
    Menley, I'm going to tell you what my mother and grandmother taught me about accepting things from people.

    Offer once to pay. If friend says no, you can say "Are you sure?" and offer again. If friend says no again, let it go and pay her back some other way sometime.

    To be honest, if someone bought the yarn for me to make them something and didn't rush me on it, I'd consider that payment enough and wouldn't accept anything else from them either, especially if I was bored enough to finish it that quickly. Don't worry about paying back your friend now, just make sure you treat her for lunch sometime in the future, or something equally nice.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Sara Crewe on October 30, 2013, 02:34:02 PM
    If you pay her, you are turning this from a nice gift into a commercial transaction.  Between two people who are acquaintances only, that's appropriate, but I don't think it is here.

    I'd suggest getting her a gift such as a nice box of chocolates or bottle of wine (assuming she eats sweets/drinks).


    Modified because I can spell if I try.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Tea Drinker on October 30, 2013, 02:53:50 PM
    So in the interest of NOT being one of these awful people…

    A friend has crocheted a scarf for me. She made one for herself, I gave it hearty compliments and she offered to make one for me in whatever colors I'd like. I bought the yarn and she's done it already, in about 2-3 hours as she said she was bored :)

    I'll see her this week and I want to pay her for her efforts. However, she is one of those people that tries never to accept money for anything (for example, she bought me an ice cream the other day because I didn't have the right change and almost refused to take the money when I tried to pay her back, despite me clearly owing the money!) So, I can't ask her how much she would charge because she would almost certainly refuse to tell me.

    Any thoughts on what I should pay her? I found similar scarves on Etsy (it's an infinity scarf, sort of like this - https://www.etsy.com/listing/119425686/cozy-and-warm-crochet-infinity-scarf (https://www.etsy.com/listing/119425686/cozy-and-warm-crochet-infinity-scarf)) but the prices range all over the place, from $15 to over $100 in some cases!

    Is there something you can do or make for her? A batch of home-made cookies, or taking care of some errand, might be a better idea than a gift you bought.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Amara on October 30, 2013, 03:00:04 PM
    Does your friend sell her work? If so, refer people to her when they ask about your scarf.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: dawbs on October 30, 2013, 03:09:25 PM
    If you pay her, you are turning this from a nice gift into a commercial transaction.  Between two people who are acquaintances only, that's appropriate, but I don't think it is here.

    I'd suggest getting her a gift such as a nice box of chocolates or bottle of wine (assuming she eats sweets/drinks).


    Modified because I can spell if I try.

    This.
    At some point, when you insist on paying for a gift, it feels like rejection of the gift.
    And there's the difference in what it's worth/what someone would pay/etc.

    I mean, I just charged someone $20 to do a calligraphy project for them.  If someone off the street had asked, i probably would have said $100.  The 'worth' is about $4 worth of materials and 7 hours of my time--I'm willing to give that to a friend, no charge.  I'm not willing to sell that to just anyone.

    if you must repay, do it with something other than money
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: menley on October 30, 2013, 03:14:38 PM
    Thanks for all of the feedback! I think I'll treat her to lunch as a thank-you.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Outdoor Girl on October 30, 2013, 04:13:46 PM
    I was going to suggest the lunch thing, too.  A friend of mine asked me to repair her husband's afghan that was made by his blind grandmother.  She was going to pay me.  I suggested we go to a restaurant that we both love for lunch, on her, and call it good.  So that's what we did.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: TootsNYC on October 30, 2013, 04:52:11 PM
    Rather then paying her with money (as it sounds she did it for just because you were her friend) what about treating her to a thank you lunch or coffee?

    Or do something nice for her.

    Volunteer to spend a Saturday helping her clean out a closet. Or if you make anything of any kind (food, sewing, whatever) or have any skills (resumé polishing even), look for an opportunity to gift her with something from YOUR hands.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: CrazyDaffodilLady on November 11, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
    Update on Doris, the lazy crocheter:

    During the two months I spent making an afghan for Doris’ granddaughter, Doris was simply awful to me.  I figured she was angry about me backing way off on enabling her, and also I know that she’s found a new victim.  The last two weeks I didn’t hear from her at all, and I was delighted.  I planned to drop the afghan off and hopefully never hear from her again.

    When I called to tell her I was bringing the afghan over, she was hostile.  She said she was about to take a nap and I could leave it in the car port.  I mentioned that I’d started a camouflage afghan like her grandson has been saying he wanted for the past two years.  She informed me that he was bored with camouflage and now wanted a red and black afghan.

    I had week of peace, but today she called while I was at work and left a message.  She was bubbling sugar.  She said she hadn’t been feeling well and hadn’t felt like talking to anyone.  She effused about the granddaughter’s afghan (which took me 100 hours to make).  The kicker:  She showed the afghan to a pet neighbor child, who wants to know if she can have one just like it. 
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    Post by: Doll Fiend on November 11, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
    Why do I doubt that the child actually wants one that badly? I have a feeling she is blowing it out of proportion.
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    Post by: cwm on November 12, 2013, 11:25:42 AM
    You can tell Doris that your gift to her grandchildren is free of charge (as it sounds like it is), but if Pet Neighbor Child wants one, it will be $XX and your turnaround time is Y weeks. Feel free to set your charge and time accordingly.

    And if you don't want to switch to a red and black, just tell her that you've already started on the camoflauge and have already bought all the yarn, so terribly sorry, it will cost her $X to change colors at this point.

    She sounds a little crazy, to be honest.
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    Post by: lady_disdain on November 18, 2013, 04:28:24 PM
    You can tell Doris that your gift to her grandchildren is free of charge (as it sounds like it is), but if Pet Neighbor Child wants one, it will be $XX and your turnaround time is Y weeks. Feel free to set your charge and time accordingly.

    And if you don't want to switch to a red and black, just tell her that you've already started on the camoflauge and have already bought all the yarn, so terribly sorry, it will cost her $X to change colors at this point.

    She sounds a little crazy, to be honest.

    For a 100 hours of labour, I would say $XXX.
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    Post by: purplerainbow on December 01, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
    Found another example.

    There is a website called "Noteflight", on which one can arrange pieces of music as sheet music, be it one's own compositions, or arrangements of well-known pieces. Lots of people do arrangements of pop songs and the like. You can choose which instruments to write for, and how many, eg a solo clarinet/piano, or an entire orchestra.
    It takes a fair amount of work to arrange a piece of music as sheet music, and I totally appreciate the efforts and skill that go into it - especially since I'm not so skilled myself.
    Musicians, music-lovers, composers etc are sharing these arrangements for free on this site; they're not being paid for their efforts. In fact, many are paying for the premium membership to the site.
    Yet still, in the comments section for any given piece, you will find various people requesting that the person who arranged x piece of music, write another arrangement for instruments xyz, in such and such a key. Some requests are things anyone could easily do - eg, "Can you put the lyrics in with this?"  :oUmmm... YOU could do that. Print out the music, find the lyrics on the internet, and write them in yourself.
    Some people just don't seem to appreciate that these people are doing something that takes a fair amount of skill, and sharing it with the world for free. They're not your personal composer!
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    Post by: Slartibartfast on December 01, 2013, 04:58:43 PM
    Found another example.

    There is a website called "Noteflight", on which one can arrange pieces of music as sheet music, be it one's own compositions, or arrangements of well-known pieces. Lots of people do arrangements of pop songs and the like. You can choose which instruments to write for, and how many, eg a solo clarinet/piano, or an entire orchestra.
    It takes a fair amount of work to arrange a piece of music as sheet music, and I totally appreciate the efforts and skill that go into it - especially since I'm not so skilled myself.
    Musicians, music-lovers, composers etc are sharing these arrangements for free on this site; they're not being paid for their efforts. In fact, many are paying for the premium membership to the site.
    Yet still, in the comments section for any given piece, you will find various people requesting that the person who arranged x piece of music, write another arrangement for instruments xyz, in such and such a key. Some requests are things anyone could easily do - eg, "Can you put the lyrics in with this?"  :oUmmm... YOU could do that. Print out the music, find the lyrics on the internet, and write them in yourself.
    Some people just don't seem to appreciate that these people are doing something that takes a fair amount of skill, and sharing it with the world for free. They're not your personal composer!

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!  I lost my Finale registration code years ago, so even though I still have the discs, I can't use the (very expensive) notation program.  I don't write much anymore, but every once in a while I need to be able to churn out some sheet music for something and I don't have a way to do it - looks like this site will be a handy tool!
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    Post by: purplerainbow on December 01, 2013, 06:22:11 PM
    Found another example.

    There is a website called "Noteflight", on which one can arrange pieces of music as sheet music, be it one's own compositions, or arrangements of well-known pieces. Lots of people do arrangements of pop songs and the like. You can choose which instruments to write for, and how many, eg a solo clarinet/piano, or an entire orchestra.
    It takes a fair amount of work to arrange a piece of music as sheet music, and I totally appreciate the efforts and skill that go into it - especially since I'm not so skilled myself.
    Musicians, music-lovers, composers etc are sharing these arrangements for free on this site; they're not being paid for their efforts. In fact, many are paying for the premium membership to the site.
    Yet still, in the comments section for any given piece, you will find various people requesting that the person who arranged x piece of music, write another arrangement for instruments xyz, in such and such a key. Some requests are things anyone could easily do - eg, "Can you put the lyrics in with this?"  :oUmmm... YOU could do that. Print out the music, find the lyrics on the internet, and write them in yourself.
    Some people just don't seem to appreciate that these people are doing something that takes a fair amount of skill, and sharing it with the world for free. They're not your personal composer!

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!  I lost my Finale registration code years ago, so even though I still have the discs, I can't use the (very expensive) notation program.  I don't write much anymore, but every once in a while I need to be able to churn out some sheet music for something and I don't have a way to do it - looks like this site will be a handy tool!

    You're welcome :)
    The free membership limits your compositions to a maximum of 10, although you can "favourite" as many other pieces as you like. Otherwise, I think the paid membership is something like $50 a year.
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    Post by: Doll Fiend on December 07, 2013, 04:08:33 PM
    Wasn't sure where to put this but I felt that you guys would be able to understand.

    I am part of several groups on FB. Mostly for Crocheting. Sharing pictures and links to the patterns. Both free and paid for patterns. I have a huge problem with people who feel that the price of a paid pattern is too much and insists on a free version. It bugs me even more when the person tries to wheedle the pattern out of some one who did pay for it!

    Yes I made this great item. Yes I paid for the pattern. I paid the person who invented the pattern. Who put in time and effort to create this wonderful pattern. It is work and they do deserve to get paid for it. 

    I and others report the people who wrongfully spread paid patterns for free in the groups. There are people in the group who design patterns too and they deserve the income from the patterns.
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    Post by: VorFemme on December 07, 2013, 04:34:50 PM
    I belonged to a group that kept passing around copies of their favorite patterns (counted cross stitch, not crochet or knitting) - "my copy" got shredded every time I got home and I didn't have a copier at home to make copies.  If asked for a copy of what I was doing - I'd tell them where I got it (or hand them a copy if it was a shop freebie for advertising) but for some reason, I was always forgetting to make copies at the library, didn't have change, forgot the original, etc.

    I did make some copies - but they were for my own use as I highlighted the completed area on complicated designs (allowed) and not for handing out to other people so that they didn't have to buy a copy (not allowed).  But "rocking the boat" was not going to change them and it would have gotten me kicked out of what was otherwise a compatible group.
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    Post by: Softly Spoken on December 23, 2013, 10:46:32 AM
    This is just something I stumbled across online, and I thought I might leave it here for all the knitters who have posted to the thread. It is truly one of the most unusual charity requests I have ever seen. I think if I knew how to knit, I would do it just to be able to say "I knitted a sweater for a penguin and it saved their life (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1343193.stm)."
    Just one more reason you craft people are awesome. ;D
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    Post by: perpetua on December 23, 2013, 11:26:24 AM
    Found another example.

    There is a website called "Noteflight", on which one can arrange pieces of music as sheet music, be it one's own compositions, or arrangements of well-known pieces. Lots of people do arrangements of pop songs and the like. You can choose which instruments to write for, and how many, eg a solo clarinet/piano, or an entire orchestra.
    It takes a fair amount of work to arrange a piece of music as sheet music, and I totally appreciate the efforts and skill that go into it - especially since I'm not so skilled myself.
    Musicians, music-lovers, composers etc are sharing these arrangements for free on this site; they're not being paid for their efforts. In fact, many are paying for the premium membership to the site.
    Yet still, in the comments section for any given piece, you will find various people requesting that the person who arranged x piece of music, write another arrangement for instruments xyz, in such and such a key. Some requests are things anyone could easily do - eg, "Can you put the lyrics in with this?"  :oUmmm... YOU could do that. Print out the music, find the lyrics on the internet, and write them in yourself.
    Some people just don't seem to appreciate that these people are doing something that takes a fair amount of skill, and sharing it with the world for free. They're not your personal composer!

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!  I lost my Finale registration code years ago, so even though I still have the discs, I can't use the (very expensive) notation program.  I don't write much anymore, but every once in a while I need to be able to churn out some sheet music for something and I don't have a way to do it - looks like this site will be a handy tool!


    You're welcome :)
    The free membership limits your compositions to a maximum of 10, although you can "favourite" as many other pieces as you like. Otherwise, I think the paid membership is something like $50 a year.

    Or if you'd rather not rely on an online service and/or pay a subscription fee, here's also a programme called MuseScore, which I use - it's rather good and totally free. It's available for both Windows and Mac.
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    Post by: AfleetAlex on December 23, 2013, 02:29:12 PM
    I'm afraid to say I did this once but in my defense I was a kid and didn't know better.

    For some reason I was big into zebras and my little brother was big into tigers, and I told my grandma that I wanted a zebra animal for me and a tiger stuffed animal for my brother. A friend of hers ended up knitting (or crocheting?) the zebra for me for Christmas, and when I opened it I liked it and then said, "But where's (brother's) tiger?"

    Grandma laughed and said her friend had decided that doing one of these complicated patterns was enough. I think then it started to sink in that this was hard.

    I still have that zebra. And he's awesome.
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    Post by: Garden Goblin on December 30, 2013, 06:41:02 PM
    <background>I'm an IT person.  I have been doing technical support for years.  For the most part, I don't mind when friends ask me to take a look at something.  Often, it's a 5 minute max sort of fix and it would have cost them $100+ to take it into a local shop.  To me, they are my friends and often my hosts and it's well within the boundaries of our friendship.  If it's a serious thing that takes me more than ten minutes or so I usually get a bottle of wine or a nice lunch out of it.  They are always gracious when it's something I can't fix or something I can't fix right away (it needs a part or something).  Most follow my advice and take decent care of their machines so most fixes are one time only.  This has been going on for years.  </background>

    My mother recently moved to the same state I am in and got together with a man with a large family, most of which is local to him.  He makes her happy and is a nice man.

    My husband and I went over for Christmas.  It started with a quick 'would you look at my computer, I think Niece downloaded something again'.  She did, I fixed it.  Then 'would you take a look at Boyfriend's laptop, it's been slow'.  Two hours and three computers later, I find his kids are now bringing over their computers for me to look at.  They were nice about it, certainly, and apologetic when they realized they'd all had the same idea of 'oh, hey, GG is going to be there maybe I'll bring the laptop over and see if she can't take a quick look.'

    But for the love of Pete, at one point, I had a stack of 8 laptops.

    I ended up showing the tech savvy teen how to fix the most common issue and turned her loose, telling her it was absolutely okay to blackmail aunts and uncles with demands for jewelry before solving their 'way to many background programs running' issue, and watching her eyes light up with avarice.  The aforementioned aunts and uncles were a bit annoyed at the teen until I pointed out they could pay her in $5 charms for her bracelet, or cough up my '50% discounted for friends and family' rate of $40 an hour.

    I'm getting paid for the one that actually requires professional attention, and the other that required professional attention belonged to my niece and is mine until she's no longer grounded due to me uncovering the reasons it required professional attention.  Once her grounding is done, it will be returned to her locked down with parental controls and a password that requires her to pay homage to her awesome aunt everytime she wants to log in.
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    Post by: Mel the Redcap on December 30, 2013, 06:46:48 PM
    *cackle* Sounds like you've done a good job of making sure people will think twice about dog piling you with tech fix requests in the future, Garden Goblin! XD
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    Post by: VorFemme on December 30, 2013, 07:08:39 PM
    <background>I'm an IT person.  I have been doing technical support for years.  For the most part, I don't mind when friends ask me to take a look at something.  Often, it's a 5 minute max sort of fix and it would have cost them $100+ to take it into a local shop.  To me, they are my friends and often my hosts and it's well within the boundaries of our friendship.  If it's a serious thing that takes me more than ten minutes or so I usually get a bottle of wine or a nice lunch out of it.  They are always gracious when it's something I can't fix or something I can't fix right away (it needs a part or something).  Most follow my advice and take decent care of their machines so most fixes are one time only.  This has been going on for years.  </background>

    My mother recently moved to the same state I am in and got together with a man with a large family, most of which is local to him.  He makes her happy and is a nice man.

    My husband and I went over for Christmas.  It started with a quick 'would you look at my computer, I think Niece downloaded something again'.  She did, I fixed it.  Then 'would you take a look at Boyfriend's laptop, it's been slow'.  Two hours and three computers later, I find his kids are now bringing over their computers for me to look at.  They were nice about it, certainly, and apologetic when they realized they'd all had the same idea of 'oh, hey, GG is going to be there maybe I'll bring the laptop over and see if she can't take a quick look.'

    But for the love of Pete, at one point, I had a stack of 8 laptops.

    I ended up showing the tech savvy teen how to fix the most common issue and turned her loose, telling her it was absolutely okay to blackmail aunts and uncles with demands for jewelry before solving their 'way to many background programs running' issue, and watching her eyes light up with avarice.  The aforementioned aunts and uncles were a bit annoyed at the teen until I pointed out they could pay her in $5 charms for her bracelet, or cough up my '50% discounted for friends and family' rate of $40 an hour.

    I'm getting paid for the one that actually requires professional attention, and the other that required professional attention belonged to my niece and is mine until she's no longer grounded due to me uncovering the reasons it required professional attention.  Once her grounding is done, it will be returned to her locked down with parental controls and a password that requires her to pay homage to her awesome aunt everytime she wants to log in.

    ***snerk***

    I think I just inhaled the whipped cream from my hot chocolate....

    ++++++++

    I am not a trained tech support person nor do I play on in commercials.

    I have learned how to change out RAM, hard drives, and a few other simple "fixes" as well as learned which freeware programs work for a LOT of quick fixes (update drivers - Driver Booster from Iobit.com; Malware Defender & a couple of other programs from the same site; CCleaner from Piriform.com; and a YouTube series of "fixes" from - dang that website is in the Favorites on my other computer - a guy with a business doing it and a series of videos on shareware or cheap fixes to keep your computer running well - the above list & MalwareBytes and a couple of others that don't come to mind at the moment).

    I've even swapped out a screen on a laptop (overpowered graphics card burning it out from the middle out in vertical strips) and a cell phone (VorGuy dropped his two week old phone in the parking lot and it got run over - the only thing that quit working was the screen).  But when my graphics card died in a used laptop - I was extremely glad to find out that I could get the previous owner's registration data from the refurbisher, transfer the warranty & registration to my name, and qualified for a free repair under an extended warranty)....that involved a clean room & soldering equipment that I don't know how to use or have.
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    Post by: MommyPenguin on December 30, 2013, 08:03:40 PM
    I ended up showing the tech savvy teen how to fix the most common issue and turned her loose, telling her it was absolutely okay to blackmail aunts and uncles with demands for jewelry before solving their 'way to many background programs running' issue, and watching her eyes light up with avarice.  The aforementioned aunts and uncles were a bit annoyed at the teen until I pointed out they could pay her in $5 charms for her bracelet, or cough up my '50% discounted for friends and family' rate of $40 an hour.

    I'm getting paid for the one that actually requires professional attention, and the other that required professional attention belonged to my niece and is mine until she's no longer grounded due to me uncovering the reasons it required professional attention.  Once her grounding is done, it will be returned to her locked down with parental controls and a password that requires her to pay homage to her awesome aunt everytime she wants to log in.

    lol, this is great!  I love how you trained a replacement.  And yes, helping other people with things, especially if the amount of help is likely to be frequent and take some time, is worth some sort of repayment!  Just like babysitting or anything else, unless the person *chooses* to offer the service for free occasionally.

    And wow at the niece.  Sounds like at least the parents are taking charge there, which sounds like a good thing in that case!
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    Post by: siamesecat2965 on December 31, 2013, 03:20:30 PM
    I am not an IT person but I know enough to be dangerous. The only person I will help is my mom, mainly because she tries to learn, not simply let me show her. Her stuff is more along the lines if my limited Excel knowledge and help with Word. She takes notes and insists I show her so she can do it. Did I mention she's almost 79?
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    Post by: LadyClaire on February 17, 2014, 07:26:48 AM
    One of my hobbies is metalsmithing. I make jewelry. Dragons are kind of my specialty, and I have a particular necklace that's very time consuming to make because it's a bunch of little pieces that have to be cut and carefully soldered together. I sell this necklace for $80 as a made-to-order piece.

    Last year my sister-in-law (DH's half sister) contacted him and asked how much one of those would be for "a sister-in-law", and was told "the same price that they are for everyone". I was annoyed at the time that she'd ask for a discount, especially since we never see her. She lives in another state and I've met her exactly once, very briefly, but we're facebook friends. I was also irritated she asked my DH about it. He explained to her that the necklaces take several hours to make, plus the cost of materials, and no, they cannot be sold for any cheaper.

    Yesterday she sent me a message asking if I had any of those necklaces already made. I told her no, since they're so time consuming it makes more sense financially to just make them when someone places an order for one. So then she said "I'd really like one but can only pay $50".

    I took a while to respond and about half an hour later when I hadn't said anything, another message pops up "sorry if I offended or aggravated you I won't ask again".

    I told her that I simply can't do a discount. The pieces take so long to make that it just wasn't possible.

    I'm hoping that she has accepted that and won't come back again in a few months or another year to ask for a discount again.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on February 17, 2014, 07:45:19 AM
    Oh, yes. The I'm special and should not have to pay the same rate as a stranger ploy.

    Doesn't work on me either. I make very intricate beaded jewelry, and require half the payment up front before I will order the supplies. I used to make pieces as gifts, but stopped for my sisters and mother as I kept getting complaints. My best friend and I exchange jewelry pieces as she is more into wire work than beading.
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    Post by: southern girl on February 17, 2014, 07:48:46 AM
    My sister-in-law makes beautiful wire wrap jewelry.  I have bought some pieces from her (at her market price) but if I want something special, I ask for it for Christmas.  I pick colors, she picks the stone and the design.  It works for us.
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    Post by: LadyClaire on February 17, 2014, 08:00:31 AM
    Oh, yes. The I'm special and should not have to pay the same rate as a stranger ploy.

    Doesn't work on me either. I make very intricate beaded jewelry, and require half the payment up front before I will order the supplies. I used to make pieces as gifts, but stopped for my sisters and mother as I kept getting complaints. My best friend and I exchange jewelry pieces as she is more into wire work than beading.

    It just really bothers me that she asked twice for a discount. Once someone tells you "no", that should be it. I'm hoping that the second time is the charm.

    I don't often make pieces as gifts, either. I will with beadwoven stuff, but not with the metalwork.
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    Post by: NyaChan on February 17, 2014, 08:51:11 AM
    Oh, yes. The I'm special and should not have to pay the same rate as a stranger ploy.

    Doesn't work on me either. I make very intricate beaded jewelry, and require half the payment up front before I will order the supplies. I used to make pieces as gifts, but stopped for my sisters and mother as I kept getting complaints. My best friend and I exchange jewelry pieces as she is more into wire work than beading.

    It just really bothers me that she asked twice for a discount. Once someone tells you "no", that should be it. I'm hoping that the second time is the charm.

    I don't often make pieces as gifts, either. I will with beadwoven stuff, but not with the metalwork.

    Yeah, the first time I could kind of let go of because sometimes people just don't understand what they are really asking you to do in terms of money and time, but to do it twice and then change people as if she was hoping she could get around each of you for the result she wanted?  No redemption there. 
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 17, 2014, 09:34:34 AM
    POD! She could have said, "I love those dragon necklaces you make, but I can only spend $50. Is there a smaller/less intricate version you could make?" In other words tried to work with you to find a solution you both liked. Or saved up for the full price.

    I always think those "obvious" discount reasons are funny... "Oh, you're my sister-in-law? I'd forgotten! Of course you can get a discount for that!"
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    Post by: goldilocks on February 17, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
    You know - I always pay more if I'm family!   why would I want a family member to make less money on me?

    I have a young relative starting his own lawn business.   No way would I dream of asking him to give me a discount, when I can afford his full price, and knowing he can't really afford to give me one.   As a matter of fact, when I pay him, I usually "round up" and give him a little more.
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    Post by: TootsNYC on February 17, 2014, 11:17:17 AM
    Yeah, I've been frustrated sometimes, actually, w/ friends or family -offering- a discount.

    I want to support your business. How is it supporting your business if you make less profit?

    And, if you give me a discount, what happens if I'm not really happy with the end result--will you come back and fix it for me, or will you be crabby I asked you to, since you gave me a discount?

    What I want, in terms of extra consideration for a friend/family member is the assurance of an honest job of high quality. (Which you should give to everyone, but since I know you, I am trusting that I won't have to worrya bout it the way I might w/ someone else.)
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    Post by: jaxsue on February 17, 2014, 11:31:07 AM
    This isn't craft-related, but it does fit the gist of this thread.

    My X-DH is a bagpiper. He has played for almost 30 yrs. He has spent a couple thousand dollars for his kit (his kilt, etc.) and his bagpipes. It's amazing how many people want him to play for free. FTR, he will play for free for certain events, such as graveside services for friends/relatives and weddings for family members. But it's very SS when people want him to play for free for a wedding (someone he doesn't even know). They're paying the florist, minister, the caterer, but the musicians have to do it for nothing? Oookay.  :P
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    Post by: Dindrane on February 17, 2014, 06:17:59 PM
    I think it's okay to want a family member discount if the relationship overall involves an equal amount of give and take. Like if I always babysit someone's children for cheap, I'd appreciate it if they made me some craft item I wanted for less than they'd normally charge.

    But even then, I think it's a little awkward to ask about it. To use my example, I wouldn't babysit someone's kids for cheap (or free) unless I was happy to do it without further compensation. If that person never did anything of equal consideration for me ever, or I felt that I was being taken advantage of, I'd probably just be less available...but I wouldn't ask them to give me some other good or service for cheap/free to make up for it. Mostly because it wouldn't make up for it, and it would be awkward to boot.

    I also think the family member discount means you have to be willing to accept the family member timeline as well. I'm pretty slow to finish most craft projects, because I do them in my not-especially-extensive free time, and because I have a lot of things that put demands on said free time. It's one of the primary reasons I've never seriously considered trying to sell the things I make, because then I'd have to start and finish them in a reasonable timeline. When it's a gift that is free, "when I get around to it" is plenty fast enough, and "when I feel like working on it" is an acceptable speed. But if someone has paid me, that stops being true, and I feel like I have more of an obligation to devote time to the project that I'd rather spend doing something else.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GreenEyedHawk on February 17, 2014, 06:33:06 PM
    I was reminded of this just today...see, when I am going to groom my own dogs, I might contact a couple very close friends and ask them if they want theirs done as well, since I'm set up for it.  But I do not want every friend-of-friend or distant relation or anyone popping up and asking me (or even worse, telling me) that their dog needs grooming, and since that's "my thing" I shouldn't mind doing it, right?  Never mind that it's my shampoo, my water, my towels, my time, and wear and tear on my tools, and you're expecting me to work for free?  Yes, I used to do this for a living, but to be honest I don't even really enjoy doing my own dogs anymore...I just do because it needs doing and I'm broke.  If I could afford it, you better believe I'd be paying someone else.

    So, short answer is no.  I will not groom your dog.  Ever.  And DEFINITELY not for free.

    I have one friend whose dog I will groom at no charge, but we also have kind of a deal; she is a professional makeup artist and has been teaching the MOST incompetent person in the world about the basics of makeup. (the incompetent?  That would be me.)  She takes the time and helps me while using her own supplies, so I consider it to be fair trade.  Plus, her dog Rollo is one of my favourites.  He is cute and friendly and I'm always happy to have him visit.  Other people, not so much.  Especially not those who assume I like spending my weekends in wet, soapy clothes, smelling like a wet dog and covered in hair for free.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: LadyClaire on February 18, 2014, 07:04:53 AM
    I think it's okay to want a family member discount if the relationship overall involves an equal amount of give and take. Like if I always babysit someone's children for cheap, I'd appreciate it if they made me some craft item I wanted for less than they'd normally charge.

    But even then, I think it's a little awkward to ask about it. To use my example, I wouldn't babysit someone's kids for cheap (or free) unless I was happy to do it without further compensation. If that person never did anything of equal consideration for me ever, or I felt that I was being taken advantage of, I'd probably just be less available...but I wouldn't ask them to give me some other good or service for cheap/free to make up for it. Mostly because it wouldn't make up for it, and it would be awkward to boot.

    I also think the family member discount means you have to be willing to accept the family member timeline as well. I'm pretty slow to finish most craft projects, because I do them in my not-especially-extensive free time, and because I have a lot of things that put demands on said free time. It's one of the primary reasons I've never seriously considered trying to sell the things I make, because then I'd have to start and finish them in a reasonable timeline. When it's a gift that is free, "when I get around to it" is plenty fast enough, and "when I feel like working on it" is an acceptable speed. But if someone has paid me, that stops being true, and I feel like I have more of an obligation to devote time to the project that I'd rather spend doing something else.

    My biggest issue is that I barely know her. I've met her once, in the entire time I've known my husband (15+ years). She lives in another state and is quite a bit older than DH, so he didn't really grow up with her or have a close relationship. I don't think she even sent us a "congratulations" card when we got married, and our relationship doesn't go beyond the occasional "hi" on Facebook.

    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: RegionMom on February 18, 2014, 10:30:30 AM
    I received two requests this weekend to accompany stringed instrument students for a competition, next Monday. 

    One piece is SEVEN minutes long!  The other is only three and one half minutes long.  I'll jump right on that!

    Never mind that I have never seen the music and would need a bit of time to work it up once I even got the music (google and youtube are great resources for me to hear interpretations of the pieces, and to see what  would be doing as an accompanist an the duration of piece) never mind that my schedule may not match up in one short week to have at least one rehearsal with each student, never mind that I am actually teaching during the time of the competition, but...no payment was mentioned. 

    I was paid by beginning violin students at their first recital almost my hourly rate of teaching piano, and the music was pretty much sight readable.  The violin teacher told me that she stresses to her beginning students and their parents, "paying for a good accompanist and providing the originals of the music, and arranging times to practice together, are a basic part of becoming a violinist." 

    These girls are high school, difficult pieces.  Yet, because my son is friends with them, and because it is for the school, I should clear my schedule and do this for ... free?  half price?  In one week?

    I was able to happily use the e-hell phrase, "I am afraid that will not be possible" and wished the students well. 

    Will I accompany my Sunday school class while we sing hymns at a retirement home?  yes!  Will I accompany children's choir at church?  yes.  Those are my gifts.  I enjoy serving that way. 

    Stressing myself out with no time in a full schedule to cram in music I am not familiar with, and arranging travel and practice times for little or no pay?  Plus arranging make-up times for my already scheduled students?  Nope, not gonna happen.  I am FREE!!   ;D

    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: alkira6 on February 18, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
    I actually had a non-snowflake craft encounter this weekend.  I finished a painting (finally) and had it sitting against the wall in the entryway.  A friend saw it and we began chatting about it while waiting for my husband.  She began telling me about how a piece like it would go great in her guest bedroom.  Before I could think of a polite reply she backed up and said that it would be too much to ask for me to take something I do as a hobby and try to please other people.

    She understands!
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    Post by: z_squared82 on February 18, 2014, 01:00:22 PM
    I knew someone was angling for free craft work last month and didn’t even give them a chance to ask.

    I was at my niece’s bday party. My sister-in-law’s sister (or my brother’s sister-in-law, whichever you prefer) was saying something to her husband about her grandmother’s quilts. Turns out, they had been damaged in a fire, but she still had some of the top and wanted to take that and turn it into a larger quilt again.

    Let’s forget the fact that the likelihood of the top being fine but the batting and backing beneath it being damaged and removed is slim to none. And we’ll gloss over the fact that these partial toppers have been sitting in a trunk for years, having moved from at least Europe back to the States, so their condition without being in a fire can be suspect.

    We’re going to focus on the fact that she knows my mother quilts and obviously wants Mom to volunteer to fix the things.

    Before Mom even hears the story, I suggest she go to a good quilt shop I know of near where she lives and ask them if they know anybody.

    She listens, but later, of course, asks Mom about it directly. Well, as directly as she gets. Not, “Will you do this?” but “Do you know what I need to have done.” Although Mom and I both know what she means. I told Mom what I had recommended, Mom goes with that. We both stressed how much time it would take, and how time equals money. She claimed to now care how much it’ll cost to fix. We’ll see if she actually finds someone else to fix it, and then how much she complains about the cost.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Alli8098 on February 18, 2014, 01:08:21 PM
    I am not a professional baker but my friends know I like to bake.  I frequently will bake special items during the holidays and deliver them to my friends.  And at a previous job whenever we had a potluck I usually provided desert such as specialty cheesecakes.  And recently I had a out of the home cupcake business which unfortunately my partner was very toxic so I pulled myself out. 

    The only times I will do specialty cookies and/or deserts for free are for my local church events or if I owe a favor to a friend (and it's not expensive for me to do).  Even one of my old bosses insisted on paying me twice what I quoted him for cupcakes I offered to give him a good price on because our cupcake business was new and I wanted to get our name out when I made some for a big client event.

    Otherwise (call me rude) but if the ingredients are pricey and the desert is time-consuming I just can't do it for free.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Slartibartfast on February 18, 2014, 01:29:20 PM
    Those of you who are on Twitter might find @forexposure_txt (https://twitter.com/forexposure_txt) an interesting read.  It's an account which tweets bits and pieces from various "artist wanted" spaces online, usually with hilarious justifications for why artists shouldn't be paid.  (Warning: some of the language is not eHell approved.)  Some of the more tame ones:

    Hello,
    I need a artist for this webcomic, but I can't pay you.

    FEMINIST ILLUSTRATORS WANTED. A great opportunity for artists who want there work seen. There is a small fee of $5.00 per person to submit.

    Storyboard artist: Shooting in 72 hours. This is short notice, yes, for a lot of shots and no pay. We need approximately 2,000 shots.

    I'm an artist as well, and know this can be done by someone with the talent and the time. We will cover the cost of paper.

    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GlitterIsMyDrug on February 18, 2014, 04:45:42 PM
    Those of you who are on Twitter might find @forexposure_txt (https://twitter.com/forexposure_txt) an interesting read.

    So I went to there and this is my favorite so far: If you’re in it for the paycheck, you’re not in it for the love of the craft.

    You know how many times I've heard that for one reason or another? Most recently a friend of a friend of a friend type person wanted me to come play guitar at a party she was having. Just some light background music. I told her sure. Then I told her my fee. Her response "I thought you were real artist, a real artist would want to do this because they love to play music for people", I told her "If I want to play music for people for free, I'll stand on a street corner and do just that. Good luck finding a real artist who does it for free". Last I heard she was asking if anyone had a classical guitar CD she could borrow for "background music", guess real artists do in fact charge.

    BTW, I've had people ask to negotiate on my fee for one reason or another, and often times I will. But flat out saying I should do it for free because I love doing it, nope. Not gonna wiggle for you.
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    Post by: Onyx_TKD on February 18, 2014, 05:37:54 PM
    BTW, I've had people ask to negotiate on my fee for one reason or another, and often times I will. But flat out saying I should do it for free because I love doing it, nope. Not gonna wiggle for you.

    I have a friend "Mary" who is a semi-professional baker (cakes and cupcakes). Recently, a customer who had ordered a cake and cupcakes had to cut back on her budget. She asked Mary how much it would cost if she just got the cake without cupcakes. Mary chose to offer her a discount on her original order (including the cupcakes), and the customer was very appreciative. Mary was happy to offer the discount for a nice customer who appreciated the value of her work but could no longer afford the full order. I bet she wouldn't have felt nearly as generous if she'd been asked to discount the order instead of paring the order back to what they could afford.

    BTW, the little birthday girl loved the cake. When she saw it, she gave a huge gasp, asked "Is that my cake?", and promptly glomped onto Mary's leg with a huge hug.  ;D Mary had never met the little girl before in her life. Another generation of baker-appreciating customers in the making.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on February 18, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
    Do you want to know what all those sayings really mean?

    I want you to do this, but I don't value your time enough to pay you for it.  >:(
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    Post by: zyrs on February 19, 2014, 01:44:11 AM
    Do you want to know what all those sayings really mean?

    I want you to do this, but I don't value your time enough to pay you for it.  >:(

    I would edit this to add that in some cases it's:

    I want you to do this, but I don't value your time enough to pay you for it.  >:(
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Amara on February 19, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
    I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GlitterIsMyDrug on February 19, 2014, 11:36:45 AM
    I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"

    And work is something one is to never enjoy...apparently. It actually makes me sad when people say "But you like doing it so it's not work", because how sad it is that they automatically think work=no enjoyment. Really says a lot about their own lives.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: LazyDaisy on February 19, 2014, 12:31:31 PM
    I've run across quite a few people that think that because they would do it as a free favor for a friend or family member (if only they could), that everyone should. Several years ago, I dated a guy that was an electrician. He was constantly helping out family and friends for free (his choice, he can do it if he wants to) but he thought that was the way everyone should behave. He was indignant that his brother (who fixes/installs HVAC for a living) gave a friend a price (heavily discounted) for installing central air conditioning in their house. And he tried a few times to volunteer me to design business cards or invitations, or bake, or draw something or make jewelry... and would be honestly confused and upset when I said no or gave a price. It isn't that he didn't value me/my time, or didn't think of it as work. He fully understood that it was work, and time has value, he just believed that it was cold/shallow/morally wrong to turn a personal relationship into a business transaction. He just felt that friends and family don't charge each other for favors and there was no line at which that ended.
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    Post by: LadyClaire on February 19, 2014, 12:36:09 PM
    I've run across quite a few people that think that because they would do it as a free favor for a friend or family member (if only they could), that everyone should. Several years ago, I dated a guy that was an electrician. He was constantly helping out family and friends for free (his choice, he can do it if he wants to) but he thought that was the way everyone should behave. He was indignant that his brother (who fixes/installs HVAC for a living) gave a friend a price (heavily discounted) for installing central air conditioning in their house. And he tried a few times to volunteer me to design business cards or invitations, or bake, or draw something or make jewelry... and would be honestly confused and upset when I said no or gave a price. It isn't that he didn't value me/my time, or didn't think of it as work. He fully understood that it was work, and time has value, he just believed that it was cold/shallow/morally wrong to turn a personal relationship into a business transaction. He just felt that friends and family don't charge each other for favors and there was no line at which that ended.

    Yeah, I've come across that before as well. Or people who volunteer you to do something because it makes THEM look good, and then get upset when you refuse to do it for free.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Shalamar on February 19, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
    This is somewhat related ... a long time ago, my dad asked me if I'd lend a friend of his some of my books, because he knew that this friend liked the same kind of stuff I do.  I said "Sure", created a huge bagful, and Dad took it to his friend.

    A couple of months later, I asked Dad if his friend was done with my books.  Dad said vaguely "Oh, I think he's still reading them."  Okay, fine, there were a lot of books there. 

    A few months later - same thing.   I kept asking Dad about the books; he kept saying his friend wasn't done yet.  When a year had gone by, I got fed up and asked Dad to get the books back - I didn't care if the friend was done with them or not.  Dad got mad and said "You've got so many!  You can afford to lose a few!"

    Some of those books were special to me, and I would never have loaned them out if I thought there was even a remote chance that I wouldn't get them back.  >:(
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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on February 19, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
    I've been making a lot of hats lately.  One of my coworker's has bought quite a few.  I do have one 'friend's and family' price and a 'general sale' price that is double.  One of the hat patterns I making for him is specific to his sons' highschool.  And he figures he is going to be asked, 'Where can I get that hat?'  So he's already asked me the price and the timeline as to when they might be done.

    I told him 2015!  We'll see if any of those orders materialize.
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    Post by: bopper on February 19, 2014, 01:42:06 PM


    I had week of peace, but today she called while I was at work and left a message.  She was bubbling sugar.  She said she hadn’t been feeling well and hadn’t felt like talking to anyone.  She effused about the granddaughter’s afghan (which took me 100 hours to make).  The kicker:  She showed the afghan to a pet neighbor child, who wants to know if she can have one just like it.

    "No problem, Doris!  I will show you how to do it.  It should only take you 100 hours."
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    Post by: Elfmama on February 19, 2014, 01:44:16 PM
    I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"

    And work is something one is to never enjoy...apparently. It actually makes me sad when people say "But you like doing it so it's not work", because how sad it is that they automatically think work=no enjoyment. Really says a lot about their own lives.
    DH tried that with me.  ONCE.  I'd been sewing all day on something, and my shoulders were tight.  I mentioned it, and he said something like "But you enjoy sewing!  How can it make your muscles tense?"  (All together, now, folks! Join me in the chorus of) "It's not like it's work!"
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    Post by: magicdomino on February 19, 2014, 02:20:32 PM
    This is somewhat related ... a long time ago, my dad asked me if I'd lend a friend of his some of my books, because he knew that this friend liked the same kind of stuff I do.  I said "Sure", created a huge bagful, and Dad took it to his friend.

    A couple of months later, I asked Dad if his friend was done with my books.  Dad said vaguely "Oh, I think he's still reading them."  Okay, fine, there were a lot of books there. 

    A few months later - same thing.   I kept asking Dad about the books; he kept saying his friend wasn't done yet.  When a year had gone by, I got fed up and asked Dad to get the books back - I didn't care if the friend was done with them or not.  Dad got mad and said "You've got so many!  You can afford to lose a few!"

    Some of those books were special to me, and I would never have loaned them out if I thought there was even a remote chance that I wouldn't get them back.  >:(

    I have a feeling that your dad wanted the books out of the house permanently.   :(
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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on February 19, 2014, 02:38:33 PM
    I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"

    And work is something one is to never enjoy...apparently. It actually makes me sad when people say "But you like doing it so it's not work", because how sad it is that they automatically think work=no enjoyment. Really says a lot about their own lives.
    DH tried that with me.  ONCE.  I'd been sewing all day on something, and my shoulders were tight.  I mentioned it, and he said something like "But you enjoy sewing!  How can it make your muscles tense?"  (All together, now, folks! Join me in the chorus of) "It's not like it's work!"

    Yeah, my massage therapist always knows when I've been doing a lot of knitting by how tight the muscles are in my arms and shoulders.  She earns her money on me every three or four weeks, between my knitting, crochetting, e-Helling, skiing (winter), gardening and baseball (summer).
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    Post by: Sirius on February 19, 2014, 02:39:38 PM
    This isn't craft-related, but it does fit the gist of this thread.

    My X-DH is a bagpiper. He has played for almost 30 yrs. He has spent a couple thousand dollars for his kit (his kilt, etc.) and his bagpipes. It's amazing how many people want him to play for free. FTR, he will play for free for certain events, such as graveside services for friends/relatives and weddings for family members. But it's very SS when people want him to play for free for a wedding (someone he doesn't even know). They're paying the florist, minister, the caterer, but the musicians have to do it for nothing? Oookay.  :P

    A friend of ours who is a professional opera singer gets the same thing.  He sang for free at our wedding as his gift to us (it was discussed beforehand and mutually agreed upon) but he's told me that he's often asked to sing for functions for free, which isn't something he can afford to do. 
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    Post by: Shalamar on February 19, 2014, 03:16:17 PM
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    I have a feeling that your dad wanted the books out of the house permanently.   :(

    I think you're right.  My dad didn't (still doesn't) approve of a lot of my reading choices, and he might have thought this was a good opportunity to get rid of my books and convince me to read stuff that he DID approve of. 

    Good thing I wasn't into Stephen King at the time.  If I'd permanently lost my beloved Stephen Kings, I would NOT have been happy.
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    Post by: doodlemor on February 19, 2014, 04:38:12 PM
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    I have a feeling that your dad wanted the books out of the house permanently.   :(

    I think you're right.  My dad didn't (still doesn't) approve of a lot of my reading choices, and he might have thought this was a good opportunity to get rid of my books and convince me to read stuff that he DID approve of. 

    Good thing I wasn't into Stephen King at the time.  If I'd permanently lost my beloved Stephen Kings, I would NOT have been happy.

    Your dad may have told the guy that he could have the books.

    If I were you, I'd call the man and ask if you could please have your books back that your father lent to him.  He may have disposed of them already, or passed them along to someone else, but at least you will have tried.

    It sounds like your father was not considerate of your possessions, or of your feelings about your books.
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    Post by: jaxsue on February 19, 2014, 04:43:20 PM
    This isn't craft-related, but it does fit the gist of this thread.

    My X-DH is a bagpiper. He has played for almost 30 yrs. He has spent a couple thousand dollars for his kit (his kilt, etc.) and his bagpipes. It's amazing how many people want him to play for free. FTR, he will play for free for certain events, such as graveside services for friends/relatives and weddings for family members. But it's very SS when people want him to play for free for a wedding (someone he doesn't even know). They're paying the florist, minister, the caterer, but the musicians have to do it for nothing? Oookay.  :P

    A friend of ours who is a professional opera singer gets the same thing.  He sang for free at our wedding as his gift to us (it was discussed beforehand and mutually agreed upon) but he's told me that he's often asked to sing for functions for free, which isn't something he can afford to do.

    But it's a hobby, don't you know?  :)
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    Post by: ddawn23 on February 19, 2014, 05:10:23 PM
    This isn't craft-related, but it does fit the gist of this thread.

    My X-DH is a bagpiper. He has played for almost 30 yrs. He has spent a couple thousand dollars for his kit (his kilt, etc.) and his bagpipes. It's amazing how many people want him to play for free. FTR, he will play for free for certain events, such as graveside services for friends/relatives and weddings for family members. But it's very SS when people want him to play for free for a wedding (someone he doesn't even know). They're paying the florist, minister, the caterer, but the musicians have to do it for nothing? Oookay.  :P

    A friend of ours who is a professional opera singer gets the same thing.  He sang for free at our wedding as his gift to us (it was discussed beforehand and mutually agreed upon) but he's told me that he's often asked to sing for functions for free, which isn't something he can afford to do.

    But it's a hobby, don't you know?  :)
    And opera singing is the kind of thing you can do constantly without it affecting your job performance!  I'm surprised nobody's made the argument that he practices for free, so why can't he just think of my wedding as rehearsal?
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    Post by: LazyDaisy on February 19, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
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    I have a feeling that your dad wanted the books out of the house permanently.   :(

    I think you're right.  My dad didn't (still doesn't) approve of a lot of my reading choices, and he might have thought this was a good opportunity to get rid of my books and convince me to read stuff that he DID approve of. 

    Good thing I wasn't into Stephen King at the time.  If I'd permanently lost my beloved Stephen Kings, I would NOT have been happy.

    Your dad may have told the guy that he could have the books.

    If I were you, I'd call the man and ask if you could please have your books back that your father lent to him.  He may have disposed of them already, or passed them along to someone else, but at least you will have tried.

    It sounds like your father was not considerate of your possessions, or of your feelings about your books.

    I suspect the "friend" might be a ruse altogether and that Father never gave anyone those books. Either way, he owes replacements since he was the one who acted as intermediary in this exchange. The good thing is that most books are easy to repurchase (unless they are out of print or truly one-of-a-kind such as signed or first editions.)
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    Post by: Figgie on February 19, 2014, 08:32:59 PM
    Yeah, I've come across that before as well. Or people who volunteer you to do something because it makes THEM look good, and then get upset when you refuse to do it for free.

    My spouse's hobby is working with laptops/pc's/tablets.  It isn't what he does for a living (or even close), but he loves to do hands on type stuff with technology.  He is a perfectionist who takes the time to make sure everything is working correctly, so if he builds you a computer, it will work correctly right from the start.

    He has had to tell people that if they ever volunteer him to work on a friend of a friends computer, or even another friend's computer, he will no longer work on their computers.  He only charges for the parts, which makes him very popular as a  computer hobbyist/builder/fixer.

    I actually ended a friendship in part because that particular woman just loved to volunteer my spouse to fix all of her friends and families computers.  My spouse had only kept her computers running because she was my friend.  And a difficult job it was, as she was one of those persons who never met a link that she wouldn't click on or an email she wouldn't open, along with the attachment.

    She became angry with me when my spouse told her no, he wouldn't fix her next door neighbors brothers computer.  That, along with a bunch of other bad behavior, was a large part of what helped me to realize how one-sided the friendship had become.

    My spouse said that he thought she loved being the hero, but didn't love having to actually do anything to deserve the accolades.  Volunteering my spouse made people think well of her and she craved that attention like a mosquito craves blood.  :)

    My spouse is so firm on this rule of not being voluntold to work on other people's computers that he has one brother who he will always take the time to help and one who has to pay someone else to fix his computers after multiple incidents of volunteering him to work on people he had never met computers.
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    Post by: doodlemor on February 19, 2014, 08:53:21 PM
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    I have a feeling that your dad wanted the books out of the house permanently.   :(

    I think you're right.  My dad didn't (still doesn't) approve of a lot of my reading choices, and he might have thought this was a good opportunity to get rid of my books and convince me to read stuff that he DID approve of. 

    Good thing I wasn't into Stephen King at the time.  If I'd permanently lost my beloved Stephen Kings, I would NOT have been happy.

    Your dad may have told the guy that he could have the books.

    If I were you, I'd call the man and ask if you could please have your books back that your father lent to him.  He may have disposed of them already, or passed them along to someone else, but at least you will have tried.

    It sounds like your father was not considerate of your possessions, or of your feelings about your books.

    I suspect the "friend" might be a ruse altogether and that Father never gave anyone those books. Either way, he owes replacements since he was the one who acted as intermediary in this exchange. The good thing is that most books are easy to repurchase (unless they are out of print or truly one-of-a-kind such as signed or first editions.)

    That makes a lot of sense, too. 

    Presuming that you know the name of the "friend," Shalimar, I definitely think that you need to call and inquire about the books.  If your father pitched them he may be embarrassed [rightfully] if the friend later asks him what is going on.

    If dad just said that he was lending them to a  nameless friend then I'm afraid that they are likely gone.

    You have probably guessed that I'm a big book lover, too.  If you are looking to replace old titles try ebay.  It is a good place to start.
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    Post by: weeblewobble on February 19, 2014, 09:51:20 PM
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    I have a feeling that your dad wanted the books out of the house permanently.   :(

    I think you're right.  My dad didn't (still doesn't) approve of a lot of my reading choices, and he might have thought this was a good opportunity to get rid of my books and convince me to read stuff that he DID approve of. 

    Good thing I wasn't into Stephen King at the time.  If I'd permanently lost my beloved Stephen Kings, I would NOT have been happy.

    I don't loan my books out because of this attitude.  I have (way too) many paperbacks, that appear to have no real value, but a lot of them are completely random, out of print second-hand shop finds that I would never be able to track down again. For instance, it took me YEARS to track down a Harlequin paperback that was the very first romance I can remember reading.  The cover is worn and there are two pages missing, but it's priceless in terms of sentimental value. If someone told me I could "afford to lost" that book, I would be really angry.

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    Post by: Psychopoesie on February 19, 2014, 11:09:17 PM
    I love my books too so feeling the pain of  those lost books, shalamar. It's not only the loss of the books that hurts either - it's also a breach of trust for someone who's meant to care for you to borrow without any intention of returning.

    That's happened a few too many times to me - now I won't lend anything I'm not prepared to say goodbye to. Those books are few and far between.

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    Post by: PastryGoddess on February 20, 2014, 08:08:45 AM
    My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me.  So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing.  the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks.
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    Post by: kategillian on February 20, 2014, 08:45:40 AM
    It's astounding to me that people feel no pressure to return books! These are the people who ask you why you're reading that book AGAIN? But they will watch the same movie 20 times! I have multiple copies of some books, because I assumed that I would not get them back from people, and that book HAS to be on my shelf!
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    Post by: Shalamar on February 20, 2014, 10:22:35 AM
    Thanks, guys!  Unfortunately, it's far too late to do anything about the books - it was years ago when I was a teenager.    I can't even remember the titles - I just remember that they were favorites of mine.  Dad's cavalier attitude towards my possessions really ticked me off, especially since he's still mad about a friend borrowing one of HIS books and never returning it.   It's DIFFERENT, though, you see - his book was a rare out-of-print edition, and mine were just dime-store paperbacks.   ::)
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    Post by: wolfie on February 20, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
    Thanks, guys!  Unfortunately, it's far too late to do anything about the books - it was years ago when I was a teenager.    I can't even remember the titles - I just remember that they were favorites of mine.  Dad's cavalier attitude towards my possessions really ticked me off, especially since he's still mad about a friend borrowing one of HIS books and never returning it.   It's DIFFERENT, though, you see - his book was a rare out-of-print edition, and mine were just dime-store paperbacks.   ::)

    I would say it was different IF he replaced your books for you! i have a few books that I would be okay losing because replacements would be easy to find, and others that will not leave my house because it took me a long time to actually find them. But that doesn't excuse taking away someone else's books.
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    Post by: jedikaiti on February 20, 2014, 10:29:12 AM
    Thanks, guys!  Unfortunately, it's far too late to do anything about the books - it was years ago when I was a teenager.    I can't even remember the titles - I just remember that they were favorites of mine.  Dad's cavalier attitude towards my possessions really ticked me off, especially since he's still mad about a friend borrowing one of HIS books and never returning it.   It's DIFFERENT, though, you see - his book was a rare out-of-print edition, and mine were just dime-store paperbacks.   ::)

    Present him with a bill for replacement costs, plus interest. :-)
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    Post by: VorFemme on February 20, 2014, 10:58:09 AM
    Some of those old dime store paperbacks are now collector's items...

    And I remember that my sister & I bought books with shared money.  When I got married, we had to sort out who owned which books.  Then Mom came into the room and tried to insist that SHE owned some of them.  Books are something that I understand being attached to! 

    We did finally get it mostly worked out - although I still see a few books with my name on the inside cover that were borrowed from me AFTER I got married and then stuck with the books Mom still has.  I now loan her only books that I don't mind loosing....or am willing to "borrow" equivalent books back from her later.  If it is part of a series - it stays at MY house and she can check it out from the library.

    Or I put it on the list of things to get her when it comes time to give her a gift! 
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    Post by: MagickMaker on February 20, 2014, 05:37:41 PM
    I don't craft but I do karaoke. I have all the equipment and a library of about 8,000 songs, as well as an extensive collection of regular music for DJ'ing. It started out as a hobby but for several years now I've been playing clubs and private parties for, you know, money! I do have a regular job too, so maybe this contributes to people's attitudes.  :-\

    So far no one has asked for an actual freebie, but friends and friends of friends seem amazed and back off when I tell them my fee for doing their party. Apparently the fact that I've had to purchase a mixer, speakers, player and countless CDG's shouldn't factor into their need for a cheap/free KJ/DJ. Not to mention the time and effort in loading it all up, set up and tear down time and then loading it back up again only to unload at my house.  They seem to think that they're only paying for the four hours I'm playing for them and think its scandalous that I'm making $$$ for "only four hours!"

    I do play free for my sister's parties, but she helps me with any computer problems I have. I'm also not "on the clock" at her parties so I can join in the fun!  ;D
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    Post by: Frog24 on February 20, 2014, 06:10:10 PM
    Same vein, but possibly slightly off topic.  For many years I did a type of demonstration dancing.  I have a partner and we were asked by various organizations to put on a performance for a fancy business dinner, or a holiday showcase, or even once, in the middle of a fashion show. 

    "We just need 3 dances, so a total of 10 minutes or so, with breaks between dances." They'd tell us.  Sometimes compensation would be offered (a whopping $25), or they'd offer to feed us dinner.  If the causes were good, we'd accept these casual terms.  If they weren't ideal, we'd be pressured by our coaches or higher ups in the dance world to do it anyway because "it got our sport out there and made the club look good".

    Well doing hair and makeup takes time, as does driving to the event.  We'd get to the place, costumes in hand, and ask the organizer where we could change.  "Oh, we don't have anywhere specific for you.  Can't you just use the bathrooms?"  We'd say that change rooms were mentioned as part of the requirements, and get beandipped.  Okay, so I have to take my costume, costing several hundreds/thousands of dollars and try to keep it from getting wet in the toilet while I changed. 

    After a while, it just wasn't worth it to us to do these demos.  The benefits to us personally were never worth the output.  We actually got a bit of flack from other dancers for no longer doing these demos "for the good of the club".   
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    Post by: CrochetFanatic on February 21, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
    Same vein, but possibly slightly off topic.  For many years I did a type of demonstration dancing.  I have a partner and we were asked by various organizations to put on a performance for a fancy business dinner, or a holiday showcase, or even once, in the middle of a fashion show. 

    "We just need 3 dances, so a total of 10 minutes or so, with breaks between dances." They'd tell us.  Sometimes compensation would be offered (a whopping $25), or they'd offer to feed us dinner.  If the causes were good, we'd accept these casual terms.  If they weren't ideal, we'd be pressured by our coaches or higher ups in the dance world to do it anyway because "it got our sport out there and made the club look good".

    Well doing hair and makeup takes time, as does driving to the event.  We'd get to the place, costumes in hand, and ask the organizer where we could change.  "Oh, we don't have anywhere specific for you.  Can't you just use the bathrooms?"  We'd say that change rooms were mentioned as part of the requirements, and get beandipped.  Okay, so I have to take my costume, costing several hundreds/thousands of dollars and try to keep it from getting wet in the toilet while I changed. 

    After a while, it just wasn't worth it to us to do these demos.  The benefits to us personally were never worth the output.  We actually got a bit of flack from other dancers for no longer doing these demos "for the good of the club".

    If it's so important to them, maybe they can do it!  :P

    A few years back, I made a knitted apple hat for a family member's baby.  They liked it so much that they asked me if I could do other fruits as well.  I said I could probably do an orange, a lemon, a grape and a peach.  So, I got a proposal; make one of each, and they would show the hats to the owner of a consignment store.  I trusted them (silly me), so I agreed, and thought it might be a good way to sell some of my stuff.

    In the future, I would simply ask for the name of the store and the owner and do it myself, but here's what happened.  I had to buy a couple colors I didn't have, and got to work making five fruit baby hats.  The actual hats weren't a problem, but the leaves and stems had to be made and attached, and while that wasn't hard to do, it was kind of tedious.  Anyway, I made the hats, handed them over, and waited to hear back.  About a month later, after making a couple phone calls to Family Member and having the conversation get redirected, he finally admitted that he had intended to do as he had said, but the shop had closed, and he didn't know what else to do, so he kept the hats for his daughter.

    Uhhh...how about maybe, oh, I don't know, giving them back?

    When I got a little annoyed and said I wished he had told me so that I wouldn't have waited around for a month, and I would have appreciated it if I'd gotten the hats back, or if he'd at least asked me if they could keep them.  I probably would have said yes.  He got mad, bawled me out about how rude it was to ask for something after it's already been given (???), and pointed out, "Besides, you like making them, don't you?"

    I had fun making the first two.  After that, it was a pain in the butt.

    Never got those hats back.  I don't want the hats, but it's the principle of the thing.  Sooo...what else could I do?  I let the matter drop, and took it as a learning experience.
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    Post by: Shalamar on February 21, 2014, 03:22:28 PM
    Those hats sound adorable, CrochetFanatic.  I wish I could see pictures!
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    Post by: Alli8098 on February 21, 2014, 03:34:22 PM
    Same vein, but possibly slightly off topic.  For many years I did a type of demonstration dancing.  I have a partner and we were asked by various organizations to put on a performance for a fancy business dinner, or a holiday showcase, or even once, in the middle of a fashion show. 

    "We just need 3 dances, so a total of 10 minutes or so, with breaks between dances." They'd tell us.  Sometimes compensation would be offered (a whopping $25), or they'd offer to feed us dinner.  If the causes were good, we'd accept these casual terms.  If they weren't ideal, we'd be pressured by our coaches or higher ups in the dance world to do it anyway because "it got our sport out there and made the club look good".

    Well doing hair and makeup takes time, as does driving to the event.  We'd get to the place, costumes in hand, and ask the organizer where we could change.  "Oh, we don't have anywhere specific for you.  Can't you just use the bathrooms?"  We'd say that change rooms were mentioned as part of the requirements, and get beandipped.  Okay, so I have to take my costume, costing several hundreds/thousands of dollars and try to keep it from getting wet in the toilet while I changed. 

    After a while, it just wasn't worth it to us to do these demos.  The benefits to us personally were never worth the output.  We actually got a bit of flack from other dancers for no longer doing these demos "for the good of the club".

    If it's so important to them, maybe they can do it!  :P

    A few years back, I made a knitted apple hat for a family member's baby.  They liked it so much that they asked me if I could do other fruits as well.  I said I could probably do an orange, a lemon, a grape and a peach.  So, I got a proposal; make one of each, and they would show the hats to the owner of a consignment store.  I trusted them (silly me), so I agreed, and thought it might be a good way to sell some of my stuff.

    In the future, I would simply ask for the name of the store and the owner and do it myself, but here's what happened.  I had to buy a couple colors I didn't have, and got to work making five fruit baby hats.  The actual hats weren't a problem, but the leaves and stems had to be made and attached, and while that wasn't hard to do, it was kind of tedious.  Anyway, I made the hats, handed them over, and waited to hear back.  About a month later, after making a couple phone calls to Family Member and having the conversation get redirected, he finally admitted that he had intended to do as he had said, but the shop had closed, and he didn't know what else to do, so he kept the hats for his daughter.

    Uhhh...how about maybe, oh, I don't know, giving them back?

    When I got a little annoyed and said I wished he had told me so that I wouldn't have waited around for a month, and I would have appreciated it if I'd gotten the hats back, or if he'd at least asked me if they could keep them.  I probably would have said yes.  He got mad, bawled me out about how rude it was to ask for something after it's already been given (???), and pointed out, "Besides, you like making them, don't you?"

    I had fun making the first two.  After that, it was a pain in the butt.

    Never got those hats back.  I don't want the hats, but it's the principle of the thing.  Sooo...what else could I do?  I let the matter drop, and took it as a learning experience.

    That would make me really mad.  You didn't make those extra ones as gifts so he should have returned them.  Honestly now I wish I knew how to crochet some cute baby hats since we a new baby arriving in July.  You've inspired me to attempt to learn how; and not necessarily fruit ones just something cute.  I hope he didn't sour you on extending your talent to those that are grateful for it.
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    Post by: EMuir on February 21, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
    I stopped lending out books when my SIL borrowed a whole series of six paperbacks that had been given to me by a good friend as a birthday gift.  I never bent a book's spine and I cautioned her that I liked my books kept presentable on a shelf. 

    You guessed it, the spines were so broken when I got them all back that you could barely read the titles. I told my brother she needed to buy me new ones, of course he didn't want to ask her, and eventually he gave me money for half the cost of buying new ones and I gave him the tattered ones to give back to SIL.

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    Post by: Valentines Mommy on February 21, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
    Before my spine made itself known, I was voluntold that I would be singing for free for various churches, weddings, the high school jazz band's annual fundraiser. It didn't dawn on me that I could make money doing these things until I got to college!

    After I realized how much money I was losing, I started charging. $50 for a rehearsal, $75 for the day of. For that price, I prepared 2 songs. That's hours of practice to study and memorize new material. Each extra song, $15.

    Oh the complaints I received! It's good exposure for you. It's good practice. You would charge your old high school (absolutely, the band director was a horses patoot!)!?

    I found that if people had to pay for my services, they valued them more. My paying customers were a joy. The ones who wanted freebies were nightmares.

    I only sing for free in the shower these days.
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    Post by: gmatoy on February 21, 2014, 07:12:47 PM
    My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me.  So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing.  the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks.
    I wouldn't have an aunt any more. No, really. My books have kept me company when stationed thousands of miles from home (Army), they have comforted me when I was first married and had the MIL from he--, they have given me strength and courage as I fought through the pain of my disability and have made realize that I am a worthy person even when my depression issues were over whelming me. No one messes with my treasures!
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    Post by: VorFemme on February 21, 2014, 08:30:26 PM
    I "loaned" Apollo of the Weasels (aka VorGuy's old roommate after high school and someone he ran track with in high school who was his friend for some fourteen years) a copy of the new Heinlein paperback because he had started reading it while visiting us in college.  It was two years before I got it back, the spine was broken, pages were loose, and I was NOT happy either with him taking it to Europe when he was in the military or taking until after his enlistment ended to get it back to me. 

    Last time I willingly loaned anyone except my mother or sister a book for years.  Then I would loan them to my daughter....

    VorGuy still doesn't get the idea that books are not interchangeable for me - they are treasures and I hoard them as much as any miser might.  I grew up with a very small disposable income - it took at least month to save enough to buy one paperback and I hated it when the price of a paperback went up even five cents - because it cut how many books I could buy in a year by ONE.  And my allowance went up more slowly than the cost of living....

    Getting my first job was great - but I was paying my own way through college - so textbooks & classes came ahead of a new fun book.  Which is part of why I hounded Apollo of the Weasels to get that one book back...and still hate to see a book that *I* bought for myself not be on the shelf when I want to re-read it (or take it to Half Price Books to trade it in).
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on February 21, 2014, 09:00:06 PM
    My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me.  So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing.  the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks.
    I wouldn't have an aunt any more. No, really. My books have kept me company when stationed thousands of miles from home (Army), they have comforted me when I was first married and had the MIL from he--, they have given me strength and courage as I fought through the pain of my disability and have made realize that I am a worthy person even when my depression issues were over whelming me. No one messes with my treasures!

    The books she borrows are ones that I get specifically from the free book store for that shelf.  Most of my books are hard cover, the paperback that are my favorites are hidden away and if she asks, I'm willing to say no.  So far she hasn't gotten through the shelf o'books yet.
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    Post by: TheWeirdOne on February 21, 2014, 10:25:18 PM
    TheNormalGuy got me some leatherworking tools for christmas, (along with a list of things he would like). We discussed this before he got them, he buys the tools and materials, I do the actual tooling, on my own schedule. And hey, I wanted to try it out anyway, so it's win-win.

    He's asked for a fancy sword belt/holder (he's a reenactor/fencer) and I'm happy to make that, but then he uttered the dreaded words...

    Him: When it's done if any of the other fencers want one we could sell them!
    Me: ...Well sure, but they'd be a bit pricey, I don't think anyone would want one.
    Him: They can't be that much.
    Me: They'd probably start at $1000.

    Cue  :o from him and an explanation that, in addition to wear and tear on tools, supplies and designing and making the thing, I insist on being paid for my time. I have a job and a thesis and not enough time as it is, so if I'm going to do any kind of artwork for anyone else I need to at least make minimum wage.

    I came across a great response to the issue of pricing, and I think it's relevant, so here you go:
    http://magweno.tumblr.com/post/74205408531/as-per-request-my-response-to-a-dumb-comment-on
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    Post by: jedikaiti on February 21, 2014, 10:42:40 PM
    My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me.  So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing.  the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks.
    I wouldn't have an aunt any more. No, really. My books have kept me company when stationed thousands of miles from home (Army), they have comforted me when I was first married and had the MIL from he--, they have given me strength and courage as I fought through the pain of my disability and have made realize that I am a worthy person even when my depression issues were over whelming me. No one messes with my treasures!

    The books she borrows are ones that I get specifically from the free book store for that shelf.  Most of my books are hard cover, the paperback that are my favorites are hidden away and if she asks, I'm willing to say no.  So far she hasn't gotten through the shelf o'books yet.

    Why does she have access?
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    Post by: aiki on February 22, 2014, 02:16:41 AM

    Him: When it's done if any of the other fencers want one we could sell them!
    Me: ...Well sure, but they'd be a bit pricey, I don't think anyone would want one.
    Him: They can't be that much.
    Me: They'd probably start at $1000.

    Cue  :o from him and an explanation that, in addition to wear and tear on tools, supplies and designing and making the thing, I insist on being paid for my time.

    I find it better to quote "about X hours at $<reasonable> per hour" and let them do the maths themselves. Then when their jaw has hit the floor, add "plus material, of course."
     
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    Post by: StarDrifter on February 22, 2014, 07:21:05 AM
    I'm a baker (when the urge strikes, and of late it has been striking a LOT). I bake cookies and shortbreads at Christmas and spend a lot of hours decorating them for various events.

    The number of people who have asked me to 'just whip up' a batch of something for their event, and have been *very* upset when I quote a price for customised shortbreads or cookies... well.

    But there has been an almost equal number who have said 'oh that's very reasonable, how much time would it take you and would you need someone to watch BabyDrifter while you decorate?'

    (those people get extra cookies, the ones who watch the baby and keep her entertained while I bake and decorate).
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    Post by: Runningstar on February 22, 2014, 07:34:27 AM
    This may not fit in exactly here, but I work at a bakery/candy place and we make lots of different goodies.  At the end of a long, tiring day, we get to take home a little goodie bag of things we made as a little treat.  Awesome!!  But, I don't want to eat it all myself, so I often share it with friends and neighbors.  Nothing big, but say a couple of the new cookies we made.  Unfortunately, people have gotten to where they just assume that I can get oodles of this stuff for free.  I've been told to bring a pound of that fudge, or those rolls.  It doesn't work like this.  I get a small sample of what we made, the boss insists, if I need a dozen rolls, I need to pay for them.  And, we really don't get much of a discount, so for me to bring $30 worth of goodies would be crushing to my finances. 
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    Post by: oz diva on February 22, 2014, 07:48:59 AM
    I'm a baker (when the urge strikes, and of late it has been striking a LOT). I bake cookies and shortbreads at Christmas and spend a lot of hours decorating them for various events.

    The number of people who have asked me to 'just whip up' a batch of something for their event, and have been *very* upset when I quote a price for customised shortbreads or cookies... well.

    But there has been an almost equal number who have said 'oh that's very reasonable, how much time would it take you and would you need someone to watch BabyDrifter while you decorate?'

    (those people get extra cookies, the ones who watch the baby and keep her entertained while I bake and decorate).
    A friend of mine has a biscuit decorating set that you might like to buy. If you're interested, I'll send you the link.
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    Post by: Phoebelion on February 22, 2014, 08:09:17 AM
    I'm currently making mittens from recycled wool sweaters.  I keep my "real" job and cottage industry separate.  No one knows about the cottage industry.

    Made the mistake of taking a few pair to work to finish.  No problem - everyone there knows I'm always working on numerous crafty type projects.  Co-worker fell in love with a pair for her son and asked to buy them.  I said sure - $20 (that's what I sell them for).  She was very upset I would charge her that much and said they were worth only $5.  I rescinded the offer. 

    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything. 



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    Post by: VorFemme on February 22, 2014, 09:50:23 AM
    Yeah - hand made socks with turned heels and the like take much, much longer than most people realize.  I've never made one - I keep getting started on a moebis strip because the danged first row twists on me....just on socks - I can knit on two needles just fine and I can knit larger things on four needles or circular needles - socks are just too fine a yarn.  Danged bifocals.

    I remember watching at 19th century knitting machine (made to run on water power, I think) at an 1880s historical recreation event - it knitted several socks an hour at about three (?) minutes a sock.  Plain white with a couple of rows of color in the cuff - the toe had to be sewn after the machine dropped it on the pile of knitted socks. 

    Newer machines do it faster, I am sure.

    But the price for a machine knitted sock that takes a fraction of the time is a fraction of the cost....which most people don't think about because you're supposed to enjoy knitting that sock for them AND you can do it while you watch tv or something....so the time "doesn't count".
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    Post by: Elfmama on February 22, 2014, 12:45:04 PM
    I'm currently making mittens from recycled wool sweaters.  I keep my "real" job and cottage industry separate.  No one knows about the cottage industry.

    Made the mistake of taking a few pair to work to finish.  No problem - everyone there knows I'm always working on numerous crafty type projects.  Co-worker fell in love with a pair for her son and asked to buy them.  I said sure - $20 (that's what I sell them for).  She was very upset I would charge her that much and said they were worth only $5.  I rescinded the offer. 

    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything.
    And the non-crafters often vastly underestimate the cost of your materials.  "I can buy a quilt at Walmart for $20!  What do you mean, you spend more than twice that in materials?  Fabric is only one or two dollars a yard, and you need what, two or three yards?"  ::)  Repeat for $1 skein yarn, quality paper, cake decorating supplies, etc.

    I had a friend want a quilt, and he did ask me for an estimate.  California king size bed.  I broke down the cost of materials, and I think the quote for those alone was $300. 
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on February 22, 2014, 12:54:06 PM
    My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me.  So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing.  the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks.
    I wouldn't have an aunt any more. No, really. My books have kept me company when stationed thousands of miles from home (Army), they have comforted me when I was first married and had the MIL from he--, they have given me strength and courage as I fought through the pain of my disability and have made realize that I am a worthy person even when my depression issues were over whelming me. No one messes with my treasures!

    The books she borrows are ones that I get specifically from the free book store for that shelf.  Most of my books are hard cover, the paperback that are my favorites are hidden away and if she asks, I'm willing to say no.  So far she hasn't gotten through the shelf o'books yet.

    Why does she have access?

    I live with my aunt, I'm in the basement, she's 2 floors up.  My bookshelves are pretty much open to everyone who comes down the steps. 

    I don't mind the borrowing of books, it's the failure to return them and loaning them out to other people that ticked me off. It happened twice before I realized what was going on.   So my solution was to have an "I don't care" shelf of books.  She borrows a book, 1-2 times a year.  It's not a weekly thing
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    Post by: twiggy on February 22, 2014, 12:57:34 PM
    I'm currently making mittens from recycled wool sweaters.  I keep my "real" job and cottage industry separate.  No one knows about the cottage industry.

    Made the mistake of taking a few pair to work to finish.  No problem - everyone there knows I'm always working on numerous crafty type projects.  Co-worker fell in love with a pair for her son and asked to buy them.  I said sure - $20 (that's what I sell them for).  She was very upset I would charge her that much and said they were worth only $5.  I rescinded the offer. 

    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything.
    And the non-crafters often vastly underestimate the cost of your materials.  "I can buy a quilt at Walmart for $20!  What do you mean, you spend more than twice that in materials?  Fabric is only one or two dollars a yard, and you need what, two or three yards?"  ::)  Repeat for $1 skein yarn, quality paper, cake decorating supplies, etc.

    I had a friend want a quilt, and he did ask me for an estimate.  California king size bed. I broke down the cost of materials, and I think the quote for those alone was $300.

    *sputters* How can that be possible? Quilts are practically free to make. You just use the odd bits/leftover pieces from all the other stuff you've made. I can't believe you would charge a friend so much for fabric you were just going to throw away. tsk tsk!

    /sarcasm
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    Post by: Elfmama on February 22, 2014, 01:41:23 PM
    I'm currently making mittens from recycled wool sweaters.  I keep my "real" job and cottage industry separate.  No one knows about the cottage industry.

    Made the mistake of taking a few pair to work to finish.  No problem - everyone there knows I'm always working on numerous crafty type projects.  Co-worker fell in love with a pair for her son and asked to buy them.  I said sure - $20 (that's what I sell them for).  She was very upset I would charge her that much and said they were worth only $5.  I rescinded the offer. 

    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything.
    And the non-crafters often vastly underestimate the cost of your materials.  "I can buy a quilt at Walmart for $20!  What do you mean, you spend more than twice that in materials?  Fabric is only one or two dollars a yard, and you need what, two or three yards?"  ::)  Repeat for $1 skein yarn, quality paper, cake decorating supplies, etc.

    I had a friend want a quilt, and he did ask me for an estimate.  California king size bed. I broke down the cost of materials, and I think the quote for those alone was $300.

    *sputters* How can that be possible? Quilts are practically free to make. You just use the odd bits/leftover pieces from all the other stuff you've made. I can't believe you would charge a friend so much for fabric you were just going to throw away. tsk tsk!

    /sarcasm
    Yep.  And it's stuffed with the cotton from all the tops of aspirin bottles I've hoarded over the last 40 years.  (Do they still do that?  I can't recall seeing it lately.)
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    Post by: doodlemor on February 22, 2014, 02:16:48 PM
    I'm currently making mittens from recycled wool sweaters.  I keep my "real" job and cottage industry separate.  No one knows about the cottage industry.

    Made the mistake of taking a few pair to work to finish.  No problem - everyone there knows I'm always working on numerous crafty type projects.  Co-worker fell in love with a pair for her son and asked to buy them.  I said sure - $20 (that's what I sell them for).  She was very upset I would charge her that much and said they were worth only $5.  I rescinded the offer. 

    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything.
    And the non-crafters often vastly underestimate the cost of your materials.  "I can buy a quilt at Walmart for $20!  What do you mean, you spend more than twice that in materials?  Fabric is only one or two dollars a yard, and you need what, two or three yards?"  ::)  Repeat for $1 skein yarn, quality paper, cake decorating supplies, etc.

    I had a friend want a quilt, and he did ask me for an estimate.  California king size bed. I broke down the cost of materials, and I think the quote for those alone was $300.

    *sputters* How can that be possible? Quilts are practically free to make. You just use the odd bits/leftover pieces from all the other stuff you've made. I can't believe you would charge a friend so much for fabric you were just going to throw away. tsk tsk!

    /sarcasm
    Yep.  And it's stuffed with the cotton from all the tops of aspirin bottles I've hoarded over the last 40 years.  (Do they still do that?  I can't recall seeing it lately.)

    My grandma used to stuff quilts with wool from her uncle's sheep, and used old clothes to make the tops of quilts.  She would go over a quilt with me and identify the pieces and the individuals who had owned the clothing.  She still must have had to buy the backings, though.  These quilts were more utilitarian than fancy, and were very cozy and warm.  I still have several of them.

    Grandma grew up on a small subsistence farm at the turn of the 20th century, and left to work in town as a nursery maid at the age of 14.  Her parents had both been born in Sweden, and spoke Swedish when they didn't want the children to understand the conversation. 

    Times have changed.
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    Post by: Micah on February 22, 2014, 03:18:08 PM
    I don't lend my books any more, to anyone.....

    I have a beautiful book, very old and definitely out of print, about the history of the American mustang. It's hardcover, beautifully illustrated and in perfect condition. I only paid a dollar for it. Several years ago an acquaintance borrowed it. I stressed that I really needed it back and he agreed. Well he moved house. When I asked for the book back a couple of months later, he insisted that he'd given it back, which he definitely hadn't! Several YEARS later I found the book in the local op-shop. Yes it was the same one, I'd writeen my name in pencil in the front!

    I asked the acquaintance how the heck a book he'd supposedly given back to me had ended up in the op-shop and he told me I was being ridiculous about a book I'd only paid a dollar for in the first place :-( I didn't speak to him again. I'd tried to find that book again EVERYWHERE. Online, second hand shops, book dealers, auction sites. Apart from my copy it didn't seem to exist. I just think how lucky I was to get it back!

    So, no, I don't lend books.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Bluenomi on February 22, 2014, 04:39:22 PM
    TheNormalGuy got me some leatherworking tools for christmas, (along with a list of things he would like). We discussed this before he got them, he buys the tools and materials, I do the actual tooling, on my own schedule. And hey, I wanted to try it out anyway, so it's win-win.

    He's asked for a fancy sword belt/holder (he's a reenactor/fencer) and I'm happy to make that, but then he uttered the dreaded words...

    Him: When it's done if any of the other fencers want one we could sell them!
    Me: ...Well sure, but they'd be a bit pricey, I don't think anyone would want one.
    Him: They can't be that much.
    Me: They'd probably start at $1000.

    Cue  :o from him and an explanation that, in addition to wear and tear on tools, supplies and designing and making the thing, I insist on being paid for my time. I have a job and a thesis and not enough time as it is, so if I'm going to do any kind of artwork for anyone else I need to at least make minimum wage.

    I came across a great response to the issue of pricing, and I think it's relevant, so here you go:
    http://magweno.tumblr.com/post/74205408531/as-per-request-my-response-to-a-dumb-comment-on

    Looking at that person's stuff I think it's very reasonably priced. They look amazing!

    I made full length hooded cloaks for my MOH and I for my wedding. The fabric alone was well over $300. Someone saw the photos and wanted me to whip them one up. When I told them the fabric cost and said I'd need to add some cost for my time they changed their mind.
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    Post by: VorFemme on February 22, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
    I made a green wool cloak for Ambrosia Hino with flannel interlining and something satiny (I think - it's been ten years or so) with a hood...she loves it. 

    But I took the fabric back to the sewing store and got their permission to cut it out on one of their three meter cutting tables instead of my (slightly less than) two meter cutting table.  I was not crawling around on the floor trying to get the pieces cut out - if for no other reason than the mauve fibers from the carpet would have been really hard to get off the wool...my knees & back supported my decision.

    Someone else fell in love with her cloak...but didn't have the money for the wool, the flannel, the satin lining, AND my time. 

    Same thing with Burda (pattern company from Europe) jeans that I made her in middle school and again in high school - there was a lot of topstitching involved to get white stripes on plain blue denim, four pieces to the back leg, more pieces to the front leg & pockets, and more topstitching to get things finished...it was not a $12 pair of jeans....
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    Post by: AmethystAnne on February 22, 2014, 09:22:55 PM
    I work with a lady named Bea. We worked together last year when my then-current WIPs were those ruffly knitted scarves from that fishnet-type yarn(?). Bea asked me a couple times last month if I'd make some scarves that she could give to her son's teachers for Christmas 2014.

    I told her that I only made them for family members. Then she asked again. I told her of someone I knew who could completely crochet one scarf within 40 minutes.

    I hope she lets it drop. Making a knitted scarf for a specific family member is an act of love. Trying to churn out 5-7 scarves for her to give as gifts would take the joy out of it for me, and I would never knit those kinds of scarves ever again.
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    Post by: PastryGoddess on February 22, 2014, 09:25:59 PM
    I work with a lady named Bea. We worked together last year when my then-current WIPs were those ruffly knitted scarves from that fishnet-type yarn(?). Bea asked me a couple times last month if I'd make some scarves that she could give to her son's teachers for Christmas 2014.

    I told her that I only made them for family members. Then she asked again. I told her of someone I knew who could completely crochet one scarf within 40 minutes.

    I hope she lets it drop. Making a knitted scarf for a specific family member is an act of love. Trying to churn out 5-7 scarves for her to give as gifts would take the joy out of it for me, and I would never knit those kinds of scarves ever again.


    I had this happen a couple of years ago.  I gave people the choice of $75 for me to make the scarf or 15 min of me teaching them how to make them for free. 

    Most people didn't ask again.  The others took me up on my lesson and now churn them out
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    Post by: AmethystAnne on February 22, 2014, 10:04:07 PM
     Bea has watched me work on lots of different needlework projects in several mediums, and she says the same thing, "I don't have the patience."

    Odd fact......her son and my oldest grandson are in the same grade but are in different classrooms.
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    Post by: rachellenore on February 23, 2014, 08:50:46 AM
    I lent a book to a friend/coworker once. It only cost $10 but it had been a limited run print. He ended up getting into an argument with a roommate and was "thrown out" and the roommate "lost" a bunch of his stuff, my book included. He never did apologize.
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    Post by: TheWeirdOne on February 24, 2014, 05:32:28 AM
    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything. 

    I once made two friends a small fairy sculpture for christmas. They were personalised to each friend and took me about two days each from start to finish. I was immensely proud of them (now of course, I think they look terrible, but eh, that shows I'm getting better, right?).

    My non-crafty friend looked at her fairy, thanked me, and stuck it on a shelf. My crafty friend (a crocheter) examined it from all angles, asked how I did the wings, took much more of an interest. I don't think non-crafty friend was rude, crafty friend was just able to see the time and effort that went into it because she did projects like that herself. Now, non-crafty friend gets purchased presents, and likes them just as much as something I made. For her birthday, crafty friend is getting a plush handmade squid.
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    Post by: wolfie on February 24, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything. 

    I once made two friends a small fairy sculpture for christmas. They were personalised to each friend and took me about two days each from start to finish. I was immensely proud of them (now of course, I think they look terrible, but eh, that shows I'm getting better, right?).

    My non-crafty friend looked at her fairy, thanked me, and stuck it on a shelf. My crafty friend (a crocheter) examined it from all angles, asked how I did the wings, took much more of an interest. I don't think non-crafty friend was rude, crafty friend was just able to see the time and effort that went into it because she did projects like that herself. Now, non-crafty friend gets purchased presents, and likes them just as much as something I made. For her birthday, crafty friend is getting a plush handmade squid.

    You make it sound like the only reason non-crafty friend doesn't get homemade gifts anymore is because she didn't gush over the one you made and ask for instructions on how to make it. I found this seller on etsy who makes homemade cat figurines. They are adorable and i have taken to special ordering some as go to gifts for friends who volunteer at the shelter i volunteer for. I don't gush over them, I don't ask how they are made - but I appreciate they take time and effort and considering how many I have bought i am sure she realized that i love them. Some people just aren't gushers - doesn't mean they don't like the gift -just that they aren't going to gush when opening it.
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    Post by: ddawn23 on February 24, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything. 

    I once made two friends a small fairy sculpture for christmas. They were personalised to each friend and took me about two days each from start to finish. I was immensely proud of them (now of course, I think they look terrible, but eh, that shows I'm getting better, right?).

    My non-crafty friend looked at her fairy, thanked me, and stuck it on a shelf. My crafty friend (a crocheter) examined it from all angles, asked how I did the wings, took much more of an interest. I don't think non-crafty friend was rude, crafty friend was just able to see the time and effort that went into it because she did projects like that herself. Now, non-crafty friend gets purchased presents, and likes them just as much as something I made. For her birthday, crafty friend is getting a plush handmade squid.

    You make it sound like the only reason non-crafty friend doesn't get homemade gifts anymore is because she didn't gush over the one you made and ask for instructions on how to make it. I found this seller on etsy who makes homemade cat figurines. They are adorable and i have taken to special ordering some as go to gifts for friends who volunteer at the shelter i volunteer for. I don't gush over them, I don't ask how they are made - but I appreciate they take time and effort and considering how many I have bought i am sure she realized that i love them. Some people just aren't gushers - doesn't mean they don't like the gift -just that they aren't going to gush when opening it.
    I completely agree.  "Friend thanked me for a gift and put it on display; I'll never make her a gift again." is such a non sequitur to me. 
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    Post by: MariaE on February 24, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything. 

    I once made two friends a small fairy sculpture for christmas. They were personalised to each friend and took me about two days each from start to finish. I was immensely proud of them (now of course, I think they look terrible, but eh, that shows I'm getting better, right?).

    My non-crafty friend looked at her fairy, thanked me, and stuck it on a shelf. My crafty friend (a crocheter) examined it from all angles, asked how I did the wings, took much more of an interest. I don't think non-crafty friend was rude, crafty friend was just able to see the time and effort that went into it because she did projects like that herself. Now, non-crafty friend gets purchased presents, and likes them just as much as something I made. For her birthday, crafty friend is getting a plush handmade squid.

    You make it sound like the only reason non-crafty friend doesn't get homemade gifts anymore is because she didn't gush over the one you made and ask for instructions on how to make it. I found this seller on etsy who makes homemade cat figurines. They are adorable and i have taken to special ordering some as go to gifts for friends who volunteer at the shelter i volunteer for. I don't gush over them, I don't ask how they are made - but I appreciate they take time and effort and considering how many I have bought i am sure she realized that i love them. Some people just aren't gushers - doesn't mean they don't like the gift -just that they aren't going to gush when opening it.

    That may be the case, but that doesn't mean TWO would be wrong not to make homemade gifts for non-crafty friend. TWO would be perfectly in her right to decide only to make homemade gifts for people who gush... Or people who have pink hair... Or people who have pet snakes and wear nothing but polka-dotted clothes. Nobody's entitled to homemade gifts, and TWO can decide for herself who gets some and who doesn't.

    (If, in fact, you are right in your interpretation. There may be a ton of othere factors in play.)
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    Post by: Friday on February 24, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
    I am thinking about doing craft/art shows again.  It will mostly be for my glass and jewelry, but I'll bring a few quilts with me (I like to use them for backdrops, etc, and sometimes I sell one).

    I'm going to go to walmart and buy some of the disgustingly thin, stiff fabric they have that is indeed still $1 (or was last time I looked), and make the cheesiest, worst, handmade quilt that I can - blocks on the front where the corners don't match, scratchy fabric on back, ******* batting with lumps and bare spots, and tied it with plasticy yarn.  Then, when the first comment about cost of materials occurs, I'm going to whip that baby out and show!
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 24, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything. 

    I once made two friends a small fairy sculpture for christmas. They were personalised to each friend and took me about two days each from start to finish. I was immensely proud of them (now of course, I think they look terrible, but eh, that shows I'm getting better, right?).

    My non-crafty friend looked at her fairy, thanked me, and stuck it on a shelf. My crafty friend (a crocheter) examined it from all angles, asked how I did the wings, took much more of an interest. I don't think non-crafty friend was rude, crafty friend was just able to see the time and effort that went into it because she did projects like that herself. Now, non-crafty friend gets purchased presents, and likes them just as much as something I made. For her birthday, crafty friend is getting a plush handmade squid.

    I thought I replied to this, but apparently it was one of those times when I wrote out an entire reply, then decided not to post it. :) I understand this. My friend Amy is non-crafty/artsy. I have happily made and given her some crafted things over the years that she specifically asked for, but really for the reaction I got, they might as well have been store-bought. Absolutely nothing she did was rude, she was quite polite about it. But I know from other comments she's made that she simply doesn't appreciate/understand the amount of work that goes into hand-crafting something. (Never will I forget the time she complained about a homemade quilt from her MIL because she "doesn't need another &^%* blanket!")

    It's really not her taste; being hand-crafted doesn't make it extra-special for her. She's equally happy, actually even more so, with something store-bought, so why should I go to the extra effort of making something for her by hand? I want to get her stuff that she likes, after all. If she liked and appreciated the homemade stuff, she and her kids could have a lot of it between me and my mom, and my mom and I would have fun making it for her and giving it to her. But, she's not into that, and that's fine. She also only wants stuff that she's picked out, that's on her wish list--she doesn't really like "free thought" gifts. So I try not to get her those, either. Frankly buying gifts for her isn't that much fun because of her various restrictions and reactions, so I only get her gifts at the agreed-upon times, like her birthday and Christmas, in very narrow categories. I don't think of it like I'm punishing her, I think of it like, she has clearly shown me what she likes and I want to abide by that, because I want her to enjoy her gifts.

    Now on the other hand my mom is really fun to get gifts for because she gushes, and I gush too, so at Christmas we sit around for days gushing over the wrapping of each other's gifts while my dad goes off to watch TV. I get a lot of gifts for my mom and she gets a lot of gifts for me, because we both like that kind of thing. Other people like different things--Amy actually really likes good food, so she and I go to nice restaurants and have a good time ordering a table full of food. My mom kind of hates eating, so that wouldn't work with her. No one's in the wrong there.
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    Post by: VorFemme on February 24, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
    I had a SIL twenty odd years ago who was like that. 

    She ranked gifts & other items by their cost/perceived value.  Store bought items were obviously easier to rank on that scale than home made or hand made items. 

    A cheap costume from the Halloween aisle was "better" in her eyes than a sturdy one from a family member that was made-at-home (so the one hand made from one of Grandma's outfits ended up in a land fill).  It was just easier to make sure that the kids got to KEEP what they'd gotten and buy things by buying them or sewing labels into them so that they looked store bought - she just didn't recognize the manufacturer*...the hand made "custom" gifts were kept for those who appreciated that they were getting "customized" presents.

    *She liked "designer" names - but this was before the internet, so she couldn't run a search on a "name" she didn't recognize. 

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    Post by: ddawn23 on February 24, 2014, 03:59:15 PM
    When I was a kid my mom and/or grandmother always custom-made my Halloween costumes, but I was jealous of my friends' store-bought costumes and longed vocally for them.  Teenage Dawn realized what a wonderful gift all her mom and grandma's time, work, and skill had been and formally apologized for what an idiot Little Dawn had been.  I still cringe when I think about how ungrateful I was to those two amazing women.
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    Post by: TootsNYC on February 24, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
    Quote
    (Never will I forget the time she complained about a homemade quilt from her MIL because she "doesn't need another &^%* blanket!")

    And right there is where you lost me.

    Because, it doesn't matter that someone went to all that work, etc., etc.--I don't need another damned blanket! Did I ask them to make me one? No. Do I have *room* for it? No. Is anybody cold in my house? No.

    And in my case, do I even *like* homemade quilts? Probably no.
    Or do I like the colors/pattern they chose? Probably no.

    But now I'm supposed to attach way MORE value to it simply because someone made it for me. I can't donate it to the Goodwill--it'll cause a family rift. Anywhere I put it, I will trip over it.

    And every time I see it, I'll be reminded that:
    1) I hate it
    2) it's in the way
    3) I'm a horrible awful nasty ungrateful person because I don't love and cherish it.

    And I resent that.

    So I pray that nobody gives me anything homemade like that.

    I have a crocheted afghan my DH's grandmother made for me. She loved me. But it didn't fit the bed--it was the wrong size. She took it back and added to it so it would. But now it looks funny, because she just added stripes going the other way.
        I love the way it feels, but it's the wrong color, and it's funny-looking. And I don't really like much in the way of handmade stuff; I prefer the finer, more polished look of machine made.

    But I have that thing, because I will be slime if I get rid of it.

    She also knitted booties to go on this big cloth doll I have from my childhood; it was a gift from "my little old lady down the block." I threw those out. Yes, in the garbage.
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 24, 2014, 04:22:04 PM
    Oh, gosh, I've certainly gotten my share of horrible homemade objects, that's for sure! ;D I remember in particular receiving a creepy doll as a child that was supposed to be a knock-off of a Cabbage Patch doll, which were super-popular then. And my mom is sick to death of the homemade potholders my dad keeps buying from little old ladies at church sales and bringing home.

    I'm definitely not saying that just because something is handmade, it's automatically better than store-bought. I don't think the opposite is true either, though. I'm more addressing the idea that, in my experience, if someone doesn't do some craft/art form, they may not realize how much work goes into it. Which I think is actually the point of this thread, people (in general) not understanding that. And if someone shows that they aren't into receiving a homemade object--even if they do so indirectly--then I personally try to be conscious of that, and change what I give them. Just like I don't give Amy chocolate-covered peanuts, because she's allergic to nuts. Or invite her to read stories I've written, because she doesn't like fanfic. Just not her thing.

    I would definitely not start making a quilt for someone unless I checked with them first and knew they wanted it! :) Too much effort to spend on something that they might not want.
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    Post by: MerryCat on February 24, 2014, 04:33:59 PM
    I think you can dislike a gift while still appreciating the effort, thought and love that went into making it. My MIL likes to bring me lots of little novelty/joke nick-knacks that she thinks I'll get a kick out of, and I end up throwing almost all of them out shortly after.

    Even if I plan to dump a gift as soon as she's left, I am being sincere when I thank her and gush over the gift. What I'm thanking her for is her time, her effort, the fact that she thought of me, and the shared laugh.

    For her, the pleasure is in giving and being appreciated, and for me it's sharing an experience together. I would never complain to a friend about how she's always giving me junk that I have to throw out, even though in a sense it might be "true", because that seems somehow ungracious.
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    Post by: ddawn23 on February 24, 2014, 04:34:27 PM
    You make an interesting point, Toots.  I once received an utterly hideous clearly hand-knitted hat from a dear friend.  My thank you note said something to the effect of "Thank you so much for the hat!  I didn't know you knitted!"  I have never been more relieved than when she replied that, no, she doesn't knit, and she just bought it at a craft sale and knew I lived in a cold climate.
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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on February 24, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
    I craft a far amount - knitting, crocheting, some other things - and I'm pretty good at it, if I do say so myself.

    I have one friend who loves handmade things.  I've gifted her, and her daughter, with many things over the years.  Another friend doesn't value handmade things at all.  Fortunately, I asked her before I gave her anything.  And our tastes are completely different so I stick to things she suggests.
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    Post by: TheWeirdOne on February 25, 2014, 08:21:59 AM

    You make it sound like the only reason non-crafty friend doesn't get homemade gifts anymore is because she didn't gush over the one you made and ask for instructions on how to make it. I found this seller on etsy who makes homemade cat figurines. They are adorable and i have taken to special ordering some as go to gifts for friends who volunteer at the shelter i volunteer for. I don't gush over them, I don't ask how they are made - but I appreciate they take time and effort and considering how many I have bought i am sure she realized that i love them. Some people just aren't gushers - doesn't mean they don't like the gift -just that they aren't going to gush when opening it.

    Apologies for not being clearer in my previous post. I would not expect non-crafty friend or crafty friend to gush over something I made - that would be weird. I was trying to give an example of how being crafty can give handmade gifts some extra meaning.

    Non-crafty friend got her gift, said, 'cool, thanks', put it to the side and went to the next one. I think because she didn't have anything to reference it to, she just saw it as a knick-knack I knocked up in my spare time, equivalent to a cheap ornament. You say you appreciate the time and effort - non-crafty friend didn't. Fair enough, she now gets purchased gifts, and seems to prefer them.

    The reason I think crafty friend liked her gift is she recognised that it took money, time and effort. Non-crafty friend wasn't unappreciative, but she didn't see the effort so it had less meaning than if I'd gone and bought something.

    When crafty friend made something for me I know that the present itself was secondary. What I appreciated was that she set aside time to make something for me - even went and bought wool in my favourite colour. It also doesn't hurt that she's an awesome crocheter  :D (I swear, you knitting/crochet people are magical wizards, I don't know how you do it).

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    Post by: dawbs on February 25, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
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    *snip*
    And every time I see it, I'll be reminded that:
    1) I hate it
    2) it's in the way
    3) I'm a horrible awful nasty ungrateful person because I don't love and cherish it.
    *snip*

    Yes, this is why I don't want crafty gifts.
    I'm pretty dingdangity crafty.  My mom is insanely giftedly crafty.
    I know what goes into the home-made stuff that's languishing in my house...and it's a burden.  It's a burden because I can't pass it on/get rid of it/let it be a dog blanket because it was something that took someone absurd time and effort and should be cherished.  And then there's guilt because I can't cherish it. 

    One of the joys in crafting for my 3 year old is that she *doesnt* have that baggage yet.  In fact, she told me yesterday that the pillow I made for her, Katerina Kittycat doesn't like the brown ribbons on it--they're to brown.  So I should make her a new one with green ribbons.  (and I will :-P)
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    Post by: TootsNYC on February 25, 2014, 09:37:06 AM
    way cool!
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    Post by: wolfie on February 25, 2014, 09:47:00 AM
    My viewpoint is if you don't do anything crafty (knit, crochet, sew, bake extremely yummy decorated goodies, etc) you have no idea of the cost and time it takes to make anything. 

    I once made two friends a small fairy sculpture for christmas. They were personalised to each friend and took me about two days each from start to finish. I was immensely proud of them (now of course, I think they look terrible, but eh, that shows I'm getting better, right?).

    My non-crafty friend looked at her fairy, thanked me, and stuck it on a shelf. My crafty friend (a crocheter) examined it from all angles, asked how I did the wings, took much more of an interest. I don't think non-crafty friend was rude, crafty friend was just able to see the time and effort that went into it because she did projects like that herself. Now, non-crafty friend gets purchased presents, and likes them just as much as something I made. For her birthday, crafty friend is getting a plush handmade squid.

    You make it sound like the only reason non-crafty friend doesn't get homemade gifts anymore is because she didn't gush over the one you made and ask for instructions on how to make it. I found this seller on etsy who makes homemade cat figurines. They are adorable and i have taken to special ordering some as go to gifts for friends who volunteer at the shelter i volunteer for. I don't gush over them, I don't ask how they are made - but I appreciate they take time and effort and considering how many I have bought i am sure she realized that i love them. Some people just aren't gushers - doesn't mean they don't like the gift -just that they aren't going to gush when opening it.

    That may be the case, but that doesn't mean TWO would be wrong not to make homemade gifts for non-crafty friend. TWO would be perfectly in her right to decide only to make homemade gifts for people who gush... Or people who have pink hair... Or people who have pet snakes and wear nothing but polka-dotted clothes. Nobody's entitled to homemade gifts, and TWO can decide for herself who gets some and who doesn't.

    (If, in fact, you are right in your interpretation. There may be a ton of othere factors in play.)

    That is true. I guess i personalized that because if the etsy seller was a friend of mine and gave me her cat figurines as gifts I would be really happy. And to have her stop doing that because I didn't gush enough would make me sad because they really are the cutest things I ever saw and I just adore them. I just don't gush when opening gifts.
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    Post by: wolfie on February 25, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
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    (Never will I forget the time she complained about a homemade quilt from her MIL because she "doesn't need another &^%* blanket!")

    And right there is where you lost me.

    Because, it doesn't matter that someone went to all that work, etc., etc.--I don't need another damned blanket! Did I ask them to make me one? No. Do I have *room* for it? No. Is anybody cold in my house? No.

    And in my case, do I even *like* homemade quilts? Probably no.
    Or do I like the colors/pattern they chose? Probably no.

    But now I'm supposed to attach way MORE value to it simply because someone made it for me. I can't donate it to the Goodwill--it'll cause a family rift. Anywhere I put it, I will trip over it.

    And every time I see it, I'll be reminded that:
    1) I hate it
    2) it's in the way
    3) I'm a horrible awful nasty ungrateful person because I don't love and cherish it.

    And I resent that.

    So I pray that nobody gives me anything homemade like that.

    I have a crocheted afghan my DH's grandmother made for me. She loved me. But it didn't fit the bed--it was the wrong size. She took it back and added to it so it would. But now it looks funny, because she just added stripes going the other way.
        I love the way it feels, but it's the wrong color, and it's funny-looking. And I don't really like much in the way of handmade stuff; I prefer the finer, more polished look of machine made.

    But I have that thing, because I will be slime if I get rid of it.

    She also knitted booties to go on this big cloth doll I have from my childhood; it was a gift from "my little old lady down the block." I threw those out. Yes, in the garbage.

    I have a blanket like that too. It was made for my wedding - really it was made for my ex spouse - it was his favorite colors and then she added red/white/blue stripes in the middle as a riff on the fact that he was canadian moving to the us. It really doesn't match anything in the bedroom, but it is great at keeping the warmth in the blankets in the winter so I bring it out every fall and put it back every spring.  Maybe one day I will find one that matches (and fits the bed - it overflows right now) but it works for me right now so I will keep it. The person who made it died years ago and noone would really care if I got rid of it so maybe that is why I don't resent it that much.
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    Post by: Dindrane on February 25, 2014, 09:59:47 AM
    One of the things I've realized over the years that I've spent learning and practicing various crafts is that there are a lot of aspects into making handmade gifts thoughtful and practical for the recipient. And truly, one aspect of that is whether they will value the handmade item at least as much as the store bought item.

    Because honestly, my time is limited enough and valuable enough to me that I don't want to use it making things for people who really would prefer something commercially manufactured. Sometimes the things I make are objectively nicer than what I could purchase, but sometimes they aren't. It varies, depending upon the specific item in question, my skill, the quality of the materials I was able to buy, and the taste of the recipient.

    Even for myself, I don't always prefer handmade items. Sometimes, the style or the materials that typically go into handmade items just don't mesh with my tastes and my needs for the item. I knit and crochet, but have never once made myself a scarf. I don't wear scarves for warmth unless it's really cold...if I wear them at all, it's to keep the collar of my wool peacoat from irritating the skin around my neck. And because all wool (no matter how smooth or soft) makes my skin itch, I wouldn't ever use it to knit or crochet myself a scarf. Most people who knit or crochet do use wool or wool blends, and most people who knit or crochet scarves do so for warmth. I am, honestly, far happier with the $15 faux pashmina I bought at JC Penney a decade ago than I would be with the vast majority of handmade scarves.

    So, in short, there is nothing wrong with a person deciding not to make handmade items for certain people, any more than there is anything wrong with a person deciding that they do not particularly care for handmade items. It's all situational anyway, since a person who generally prefers store bought might really love a specific handmade item if it suits their tastes and their needs. The same way that I, who generally appreciates handmade items, have some things I'd really rather buy because getting what I want in a handmade item would be either impossible or not worth the effort.

    I do think that people who engage in crafts themselves are more likely to see the time and effort that has gone into a handmade gift than people who don't, but that doesn't mean that they will necessarily appreciate the time and effort. I would know exactly how much time and effort went into making a cozy wool scarf...but I'd very much not appreciate it if one was given to me, because I'd have no use for it. Knowing the time and effort that went into it would in fact make me feel extra guilt about not wanting to own it.
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    Post by: Teenyweeny on February 25, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
    http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store (http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store)

    This story kills me. Short version, a group of quilters donated several handmade quilts to the Red Cross, to be given to victims of a tornado that wiped out a town near me last year.
    Forward about a month, one of the quilters sees her quilts for sale at a local thrift shop. For $50.
    I don't even do quilts, or craft anything well enough to sell, but I was angry on their behalf.

    I don't know if this has been addressed, but I sorta understand their thinking here. I'm sure those quilts were beautiful. Clearly they were good enough to sell, although I have no idea if $50 is a fair price in that location or for that kind of craft.

    I know that there is a value in giving people beautiful things, and I know that's what the givers intended to do, but I can understand somebody who thinks "for the money raised by selling one pretty blanket, I could buy ten ugly blankets, and help more people."

    I think that the charity should have been clear that that could happen, though.
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    Post by: Carotte on February 25, 2014, 10:14:25 AM
    One of the things I've realized over the years that I've spent learning and practicing various crafts is that there are a lot of aspects into making handmade gifts thoughtful and practical for the recipient. And truly, one aspect of that is whether they will value the handmade item at least as much as the store bought item.

    I think that what the rest of your post points to, too, is that even before knowing if they will value the handmade item at least as much as the store bought one, is, would they value the store bought one anyway?
    It's not about wheter they give you a handmade, or not, wool scarf, it's about wheter they give you a wool or a fabric scarf, or even just a scarf at all.
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    Post by: Carotte on February 25, 2014, 10:20:01 AM
    http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store (http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store)

    This story kills me. Short version, a group of quilters donated several handmade quilts to the Red Cross, to be given to victims of a tornado that wiped out a town near me last year.
    Forward about a month, one of the quilters sees her quilts for sale at a local thrift shop. For $50.
    I don't even do quilts, or craft anything well enough to sell, but I was angry on their behalf.

    I don't know if this has been addressed, but I sorta understand their thinking here. I'm sure those quilts were beautiful. Clearly they were good enough to sell, although I have no idea if $50 is a fair price in that location or for that kind of craft.

    I know that there is a value in giving people beautiful things, and I know that's what the givers intended to do, but I can understand somebody who thinks "for the money raised by selling one pretty blanket, I could buy ten ugly blankets, and help more people."

    I think that the charity should have been clear that that could happen, though.

    I think the charity would have been better to auction the quilts.
    First they would have gone to people who would appreciate them, and who would have choosen them.
    If they sell for say 100$ and there's 10 of them, that's 1000$ that can go towards 10$ fleece blankets for every member of the family, clothes, food, medical care... and for much more than 10 people.
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    Post by: TootsNYC on February 25, 2014, 10:41:30 AM
    Then they should have said that.

    And they might get a different response from the quilters, actually.

    I might be willing to go to extra work for a direct recipient that I wouldn't go to for an indirect recipient.

    Sort of, I'd quilt or knit for love, but not for money.
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 25, 2014, 12:51:55 PM
    I'm lucky, I really haven't had anybody demand homemade stuff from me for free (or at all). Actually, more common for me is the opposite, of people who don't really want homemade stuff (either generally or specific things). Of course that sentiment can be expressed either rudely or politely, like most things. I'm actually pretty wary of being seen to "push" homemade stuff on people, just because in my experience a lot of people aren't interested in it, and I don't want to put someone in the position of having to tactfully (or not so tactfully) decline.

    Like with my friend Amy, I talked about how I was making some things just as this new hobby I had, and when I had a bunch of them I brought them to show her (because I had brought them to work to show people), but without any thought of trying to give them away to anyone, or to get "orders" for new ones. In fact, I wouldn't have given any of those particular things away, even if someone had asked for them, because they were some of my favorites that I wanted to keep for myself. And then while looking at them, she spontaneously asked for a few specific things for her kids. And I was genuinely happy to make those. If she asked for more, I would almost certainly make more.

    But, I'm not going to be like, "Here, do you want this?" or "Happy birthday, Amy's kid, I made you this!" I feel like she's probably reached her threshold on homemade things from me. They're kind of novelty items, for lack of a better word. You can have a couple, and say that they're special because Lynn made them herself, aww, that's nice. But she's not entranced or delighted or really even understanding of the amount of work that went into them. She's not really a gusher over presents anyway, books or whatever. And again, that's all totally fine, it's certainly not rude or anything. But yeah, logically it means I'm not going to make stuff for her that she hasn't specifically asked for. Because she doesn't want it and won't appreciate it. So why would I push it on her? Doesn't mean she's somehow lowered in my estimation or anything like that. Just because I like purple unicorns doesn't mean I buy purple unicorn stuff to give to other people, or that not liking purple unicorns is a negative in my eyes.

    And, just because I craft a couple of things, doesn't mean that *I* always appreciate every single craft! There's a few where, maybe because I don't know much about it or maybe because the end result is not to my taste, I just don't see much point to them, or what skill or creativity went into it. (Not gonna say which because I don't want to offend anyone!) And conversely, there's others where, because I do have some familiarity with it and I don't think it's really that hard, I end up not appreciating someone else's version, especially if the end result is really expensive or they otherwise play up how difficult it was to do. Kind of like the people who look at modern abstract paintings and go, "My kindergartener could do that!" But I keep my thoughts to myself, because obviously it would be rude and insulting to say that to someone.
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    Post by: VorFemme on February 25, 2014, 02:33:46 PM
    http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store (http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store)

    This story kills me. Short version, a group of quilters donated several handmade quilts to the Red Cross, to be given to victims of a tornado that wiped out a town near me last year.
    Forward about a month, one of the quilters sees her quilts for sale at a local thrift shop. For $50.
    I don't even do quilts, or craft anything well enough to sell, but I was angry on their behalf.

    I don't know if this has been addressed, but I sorta understand their thinking here. I'm sure those quilts were beautiful. Clearly they were good enough to sell, although I have no idea if $50 is a fair price in that location or for that kind of craft.

    I know that there is a value in giving people beautiful things, and I know that's what the givers intended to do, but I can understand somebody who thinks "for the money raised by selling one pretty blanket, I could buy ten ugly blankets, and help more people."

    I think that the charity should have been clear that that could happen, though.

    I think the charity would have been better to auction the quilts.
    First they would have gone to people who would appreciate them, and who would have choosen them.
    If they sell for say 100$ and there's 10 of them, that's 1000$ that can go towards 10$ fleece blankets for every member of the family, clothes, food, medical care... and for much more than 10 people.

    Depending on the eye for color and design - $50 is very low.  An auction to quilters - think $100 to $500 or more...some might have bid higher due to supporting the recovery efforts after a tornado.

    Prize winning bed size quilts at the shows I have been to go for $1000, sometimes a lot more...if one of the famous designers or it won a big prize.

    The $50 price tag might have been about right for a wall hanging or baby quilt of the simplest form without much "artistic merit" - I have seen more of them priced higher than $50 and sill sold.

    The fabric, batting, and thread were likely to have cost more if the quilt was larger than crib size.

    ++++++++++++++

    Computer with full size keyboard instead of Nook with on-screen keyboard makes it easier to add this.

    For the sake of raising roughly $50 to $55 each with the sale of the quilts...the Red Cross lost potentially a thousand or more dollars....

    There is a relatively large & famous quilt show held at Paducah, Kentucky - a lot of the local quilters guilds will plan to compete - whether as a guild or as individuals. Quilts are an art form going back to Colonial Days and even back to England (or wherever the colonists came from) - so quilts might LOOK like scraps of fabric pieced together to make a substitute blanket - but there is a whole lot more going on than meets the eye of the inartistic or uneducated.

    Quilt shows can be BIG BUSINESS.  Houston has an annual international market for businesses only and then a festival open to the public - it literally fills the George R. Brown Convention Center from one end to the other with classes upstairs.  There are quilters with exhibits from Japan, Europe, Australia, South America, and at least a few from any other place that I haven't mentioned (no one from Antarctica, that I've heard about).

    Quilt magazines, sewing machine companies, embroidery machine companies, sewing furniture companies, fabric companies, batting companies, antique dealers, and a HOST of other businesses that you might not think of as related to taking pieces of fabric, cutting them up, shuffling them around, sewing them back together in designs, and then making them into a "sandwich" with wool, silk, bamboo, cotton, or polyester batting (or blends of the above) and another piece of fabric with a lot of stitching (or using yarn, ribbon, or embroidery floss to tie the three layers together so that they don't shift & get lumpy, bare spots, or whatever AND still look pretty with the little bows or whatever) - sometimes embroidery is used as part of the base fabric's design - sometimes as the stitching holding the sandwich together....

    Well, people spend a lot of money to go to these things (travel costs, staying, buying stuff there, shipping stuff home, etc.) and spend money on classes, patterns, books, magazines, tools to do it with, fancy stuff to quilt (silk batting, velvet fabric, silk kimono pieces for special designs, etc.); and they can be very generous with their time, skill, and money in support of various charities.

    They will donate quilts for premature babies, they will hold auctions to raise money for charities NOT in their local area, and they will do it happily (overheard several planning sessions while working or shopping at various quilt shows over the last fifteen years).  But they aren't happy if a handmade quilt intended as a donation to a certain cause is side tracked to being sold for less than the cost of materials in a local shop that raises only a fraction of what it COULD have raised (if the group had held an auction) or a fraction of the love it could have gotten from someone who got it as part of setting up a new home after the natural disaster took their home.

    Quilts...are something that you either get emotionally (usually because someone in the family quilted and you like them) or you don't (they are blankets to some people - which - well - one grandmother quilted and the other sewed a lot of things - a great-great grandmother helped support her family by doing quilting 100 years ago at so much money per spool of quilting thread used...it wasn't much - but it was CASH in a time when cash went a lot further than it does now.
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    Post by: EMuir on February 25, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
    I think that the Red Cross should have made their policies clearer with the donated quilts... that they don't have the resources to hand them out to families directly, but would make them purchasable in the store.  Kind of an indirect way of supporting the families, and not nearly so satisfying.

    I once did a piece of art for a friend and her husband, from a picture I took at their wedding. We met for supper and I gave it to them.  She didn't even smile, just shoved it back in the gift bag. Her husband made way more of a deal of it than she did.  As far as I know they weren't going through any tough relationship times.  That pretty much ended our friendship. 
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    Post by: TootsNYC on February 25, 2014, 03:13:49 PM
    I think that the Red Cross should have made their policies clearer with the donated quilts... that they don't have the resources to hand them out to families directly, but would make them purchasable in the store.  Kind of an indirect way of supporting the families, and not nearly so satisfying.


    I think it's important in this specific instance to note that the quilt ladies didn't check with anybody to see if their quilt effort would be effective or appreciated, or whether this was teh best venue for what they wanted to do. They showed up with the quilts and handed them over.

    So they bear part of the blame for things not working out the way they wanted.

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    Post by: Outdoor Girl on February 25, 2014, 03:20:29 PM
    A group of guys I'm in a union with take a group of underprivileged kids on a fishing trip every summer.  I've started knitting toques for all the kids.  The first year, I made an adult themed hat for the guy I knew.  Last year, I made another one.  I let him know that I didn't care what he did with it - whether they drew names for it, whether they sold it or raffled it off.

    They decided to raffle it off for $5 a ticket and made $100 to go towards the trip.

    I've made them another one this year.
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    Post by: Shalamar on February 25, 2014, 03:42:01 PM
    I once presented my mother-in-law with a big tin of homemade candy on Christmas Day.  At the risk of tooting my own horn, I'm known for this candy - if you know what Clodhoppers are like, you'll know these.  They use white chocolate and are completely addictive (not exactly cheap to make, either).  Her response was "Ugh, take that away.  We've got too much sweet stuff here already."

    I believe my expression was something like  :o, followed by  :(

    Luckily, my sister-in-law saw my face and said swiftly "If YOU don't want it, Mum, I'LL take it."  The damage was done, however, and I've never made anything special for my MIL since.
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    Post by: mime on February 25, 2014, 05:08:31 PM
    I had one of those experiences, too. I make chocolate, and I prefer it very dark. I made a batch to bring to work. I chose my lightest formula (75% cacao) and Madagascar beans because they have a very middle-of-the-road flavor. I hoped to appeal to most people with those choices. Several coworkers were pleased and very complimentary. One coworker who only likes milk chocolate (25-45% cacao range) took a bite, made a face, and said "ewww. What happened to it?"  ::)

    No more chocolate for her!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Elfmama on February 25, 2014, 05:38:41 PM
    http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store (http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store)

    This story kills me. Short version, a group of quilters donated several handmade quilts to the Red Cross, to be given to victims of a tornado that wiped out a town near me last year.
    Forward about a month, one of the quilters sees her quilts for sale at a local thrift shop. For $50.
    I don't even do quilts, or craft anything well enough to sell, but I was angry on their behalf.

    I don't know if this has been addressed, but I sorta understand their thinking here. I'm sure those quilts were beautiful. Clearly they were good enough to sell, although I have no idea if $50 is a fair price in that location or for that kind of craft.

    I know that there is a value in giving people beautiful things, and I know that's what the givers intended to do, but I can understand somebody who thinks "for the money raised by selling one pretty blanket, I could buy ten ugly blankets, and help more people."

    I think that the charity should have been clear that that could happen, though.

    I think the charity would have been better to auction the quilts.
    First they would have gone to people who would appreciate them, and who would have choosen them.
    If they sell for say 100$ and there's 10 of them, that's 1000$ that can go towards 10$ fleece blankets for every member of the family, clothes, food, medical care... and for much more than 10 people.
    For a lap-sized quilt, I spend at least $30 in materials, and 100 hours making it.  Selling such a quilt for $50 or $100 is INSANE! 
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: VorFemme on February 25, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
    http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store (http://www.wave3.com/story/17796924/donations-meant-for-tornado-victims-end-up-for-sale-in-thrift-store)

    This story kills me. Short version, a group of quilters donated several handmade quilts to the Red Cross, to be given to victims of a tornado that wiped out a town near me last year.
    Forward about a month, one of the quilters sees her quilts for sale at a local thrift shop. For $50.
    I don't even do quilts, or craft anything well enough to sell, but I was angry on their behalf.

    I don't know if this has been addressed, but I sorta understand their thinking here. I'm sure those quilts were beautiful. Clearly they were good enough to sell, although I have no idea if $50 is a fair price in that location or for that kind of craft.

    I know that there is a value in giving people beautiful things, and I know that's what the givers intended to do, but I can understand somebody who thinks "for the money raised by selling one pretty blanket, I could buy ten ugly blankets, and help more people."

    I think that the charity should have been clear that that could happen, though.

    I think the charity would have been better to auction the quilts.
    First they would have gone to people who would appreciate them, and who would have choosen them.
    If they sell for say 100$ and there's 10 of them, that's 1000$ that can go towards 10$ fleece blankets for every member of the family, clothes, food, medical care... and for much more than 10 people.
    For a lap-sized quilt, I spend at least $30 in materials, and 100 hours making it.  Selling such a quilt for $50 or $100 is INSANE! 

    Verging on INSULTING, too.

    I've lived in the area - a lot of the quilting guilds go to the Paducah Quilt Show (it's been fifteen years) and compete there....it would raise a lot more money with a different method of arranging the sale (auction) or a lot more publicity if the Red Cross had taken those quilts to the tornado site and had the press watch them being handed out....
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: GreenEyedHawk on February 25, 2014, 08:15:12 PM
    I once presented my mother-in-law with a big tin of homemade candy on Christmas Day.  At the risk of tooting my own horn, I'm known for this candy - if you know what Clodhoppers are like, you'll know these.  They use white chocolate and are completely addictive (not exactly cheap to make, either).  Her response was "Ugh, take that away.  We've got too much sweet stuff here already."

    I believe my expression was something like  :o, followed by  :(

    Luckily, my sister-in-law saw my face and said swiftly "If YOU don't want it, Mum, I'LL take it."  The damage was done, however, and I've never made anything special for my MIL since.

    That's really sad, Shalamar.  I love Clodhoppers so I'm sure I'd love your  candy and I can't even imagine reacting that way to ANY gift, never mind home made candy!  Even if she didn't want to eat anymore sweets right then, her reaction was terrible and I totally understand your feeling hurt.  I'm sad on your behalf :(
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 25, 2014, 08:30:35 PM
    I once presented my mother-in-law with a big tin of homemade candy on Christmas Day.  At the risk of tooting my own horn, I'm known for this candy - if you know what Clodhoppers are like, you'll know these.  They use white chocolate and are completely addictive (not exactly cheap to make, either).  Her response was "Ugh, take that away.  We've got too much sweet stuff here already."

    I believe my expression was something like  :o, followed by  :(

    Luckily, my sister-in-law saw my face and said swiftly "If YOU don't want it, Mum, I'LL take it."  The damage was done, however, and I've never made anything special for my MIL since.

    That's really sad, Shalamar.  I love Clodhoppers so I'm sure I'd love your  candy and I can't even imagine reacting that way to ANY gift, never mind home made candy!  Even if she didn't want to eat anymore sweets right then, her reaction was terrible and I totally understand your feeling hurt.  I'm sad on your behalf :(

    POD! There is definitely a difference between polite but not gushing--which is totally okay, if perhaps not what you'd hoped would happen--and downright insulting.  >:( Same with mime's homemade chocolates.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Jocelyn on February 25, 2014, 08:48:55 PM
    I don't know if this has been addressed, but I sorta understand their thinking here. I'm sure those quilts were beautiful. Clearly they were good enough to sell, although I have no idea if $50 is a fair price in that location or for that kind of craft.

    No way of knowing. Some people use cheaper fabrics, but top-line quilt fabric is $10-12 a yard in the US, although you can always get sales. You can always use scraps left over from other projects. Batting is around $10-20 (also available on sale from time to time)and you have to have backing fabric. I generally count on 6 yards of fabric for a regular bed-sized quilt, for both front and back...so 12 yards of fabric at $10 each, plus batting, plus thread...I couldn't make a top-quality quilt for less than $150 in materials. So, yeah, $50 is ridiculous. I understand the idea that a family that's lost everything may feel that they need the money. The incidents I really resent, though, was the Quilts of Valor, made for wounded warriors, that were sold off instead of being given to the intended recipients. It's bad to steal from a charity, and even worse to steal from the men and women whose service to this country earned them a top-quality quilt (probably worth in the hundreds of dollars.)
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: VorFemme on February 25, 2014, 09:02:06 PM
    I remember a thread here about an EHellion who made a lot of throws & such for a charity to give out to the homeless(?)....only for her to visit the person who was supposed to be in charge of the effort and they were ALL in her house on DISPLAY!  The thief said that the pieces were "too good" for the target population of the charity, so she'd kept them ALL herself and donated a pittance of cash or something instead...

    I don't remember who it was, though.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Jocelyn on February 25, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
    The sort of quilt a charity quilter makes is not the sort of quilt that will make big bucks at auction. The quilts that were made to be given to disaster survivors were far less detailed, and they're usually smaller, because after a disaster, nobody needs a king-sized quilt. :)
    Incidentally...the show at Paducah has a top prize of $20,000 this year. This is the 'purchase' prize for the winning quilt, which remains at the quilt museum after the show. Next prizes are $12,000....down to under $1000 for the miniature quilts.
    The Mennonite Quilt auction in Kansas sells quilts made specifically for fundraising, and quilts go for hundreds, if not thousands, depending on the detail.
    But the point is...if a charity accepts a donation, it ought to use it for the intended purpose of the donor, or let the donor know. I had a friend arrange for her employer to donate used computer equipment to a particular charity for their clients to use...and later found out the computers were given to the staff, for their  use at home. Not cool. Maybe they thought that their staff needed to be able to work at home...but it meant they got no more donations from her employer.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: jtimenow on February 25, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
    I made my sister in law a twin sized quilt. It was what I considered to be one of the best I had made. She thanked me very nicely when she got it. Two weeks later she complained it was too small and the next time I make one for her to make it bigger. Next she let her son use it to let his rabbit play on it. Finally I went over there and found she's using it as a dog blanket. It took me 33 hours to make. I hand stitched parts of it and machine quilted a lot of it. I know it wasn't perfect but I tried my hardest. I will never make her anything again. My husband thinks I'm being petty but it's his baby sister and she does no wrong.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: doodlemor on February 25, 2014, 09:21:13 PM
    I remember a thread here about an EHellion who made a lot of throws & such for a charity to give out to the homeless(?)....only for her to visit the person who was supposed to be in charge of the effort and they were ALL in her house on DISPLAY!  The thief said that the pieces were "too good" for the target population of the charity, so she'd kept them ALL herself and donated a pittance of cash or something instead...

    I don't remember who it was, though.

    I remember that thread, too.  Such entitled greed!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: misha412 on February 25, 2014, 09:31:15 PM
    I made my sister in law a twin sized quilt. It was what I considered to be one of the best I had made. She thanked me very nicely when she got it. Two weeks later she complained it was too small and the next time I make one for her to make it bigger. Next she let her son use it to let his rabbit play on it. Finally I went over there and found she's using it as a dog blanket. It took me 33 hours to make. I hand stitched parts of it and machine quilted a lot of it. I know it wasn't perfect but I tried my hardest. I will never make her anything again. My husband thinks I'm being petty but it's his baby sister and she does no wrong.

    Oh hellz no. Using a handmade quilt as a dog blanket!! Rest assured, you are not being petty. You are seeing the value your SIL places in a gift you gave her. Of course, it is her possession to do with what she wishes. But, it is your quilting talent to do with what you wish as well. Next time I would just buy a dog toy and gift to your sister. That way, she can turn right around and give it to the one who will enjoy it.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 25, 2014, 09:32:09 PM
    Or there was a horrible one where someone had knit a friend a sweater (?) and when the knitter went to visit, found she'd given it to her child, let/encouraged the child to unravel it, and the yarn was strung all over the house as the child was playing with it. ::shudders:: I think the DH at least felt bad when he realized.

    To me, those situations (jtimenow's too) are when you say, "Once you give a gift, it's the giver's to do with as they please. And I am under no obligation to give them that kind of gift ever again."
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: z_squared82 on February 26, 2014, 08:11:51 AM
    The sort of quilt a charity quilter makes is not the sort of quilt that will make big bucks at auction. The quilts that were made to be given to disaster survivors were far less detailed, and they're usually smaller, because after a disaster, nobody needs a king-sized quilt. :)
    Incidentally...the show at Paducah has a top prize of $20,000 this year. This is the 'purchase' prize for the winning quilt, which remains at the quilt museum after the show. Next prizes are $12,000....down to under $1000 for the miniature quilts.
    The Mennonite Quilt auction in Kansas sells quilts made specifically for fundraising, and quilts go for hundreds, if not thousands, depending on the detail.
    But the point is...if a charity accepts a donation, it ought to use it for the intended purpose of the donor, or let the donor know. I had a friend arrange for her employer to donate used computer equipment to a particular charity for their clients to use...and later found out the computers were given to the staff, for their  use at home. Not cool. Maybe they thought that their staff needed to be able to work at home...but it meant they got no more donations from her employer.

    I think I need to take my mom to Paducah. She and Dad tried to go once, but they went on a Monday, and evidently everything is closed on Monday.

    Mom has gone to the International Quilt Festival the past three years, b/c it was here in Cincinnati. I went once, I don't remember seeing prices, but then you don't see price tags in a museum either. She's very disappointed the festival decided to move back to Chicago.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: z_squared82 on February 26, 2014, 08:15:34 AM
    Or there was a horrible one where someone had knit a friend a sweater (?) and when the knitter went to visit, found she'd given it to her child, let/encouraged the child to unravel it, and the yarn was strung all over the house as the child was playing with it. ::shudders:: I think the DH at least felt bad when he realized.

    To me, those situations (jtimenow's too) are when you say, "Once you give a gift, it's the giver's to do with as they please. And I am under no obligation to give them that kind of gift ever again."

    This was the tack my mom took with my niece. Mom made a few little dresses, they were completely adorable. Niece really liked them as far as we could tell. But my sister-in-law doesn't do laundry well. She washes everything on hot and doesn't iron.

    Niece wore the dresses a few times, and then as tunic-like things when she got taller with leggings underneath, but Mom couldn't handle how little care was shown to something she had spent so much time on.
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    Post by: ladyknight1 on February 26, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
    I was asked if I wouldn't mind making tropical themed cupcakes for next Friday's potluck.

    It was nice to be asked, and I am going to make them!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Thipu1 on February 26, 2014, 02:10:06 PM
    For a few years I had the privilege of working with a very eminent archaeologist.  He always said that 90 percent of the value of an object resided in the story behind it. 

    That's what comes to mind when I read posts on this thread.  A hand-crafted gift may not be the most beautiful thing the recipient has ever seen but the time and care that went into the making of it is worthy of respect. 

    You don't let a little kid unravel a hand-knit sweater given to you by a friend.  You don't let a lovingly crafted afghan become a blanket for the dog's bed. With hand-made things the thought and effort behind the gift is often more important than the gift itself.     
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: TootsNYC on February 26, 2014, 02:17:14 PM
    I made my sister in law a twin sized quilt. It was what I considered to be one of the best I had made. She thanked me very nicely when she got it. Two weeks later she complained it was too small and the next time I make one for her to make it bigger. Next she let her son use it to let his rabbit play on it. Finally I went over there and found she's using it as a dog blanket. It took me 33 hours to make. I hand stitched parts of it and machine quilted a lot of it. I know it wasn't perfect but I tried my hardest. I will never make her anything again. My husband thinks I'm being petty but it's his baby sister and she does no wrong.

    Oh hellz no. Using a handmade quilt as a dog blanket!!


    This is exactly why I do not ever want to have anybody give me a handmade quilt--or a handmade anything.

    It becomes mine. I can do with it what I want. And I don't want someone else assigning a value to anything and imposing that value on me.

    Maybe I don't need a twin-bed quilt, bcs I have bedding I like better. I need a dog blanket.

    I totally get that this means you don't want to give me anymore guilts--er, quilts. (Sorry--made a typo, and then realized that this is exactly what I meant). Fine w/ me--I didn't want the first one, really. And you're not ever obligated to give me anything, so I'd prefer someone not give me something that they'll end up feeling bad about.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: buvezdevin on February 26, 2014, 02:34:40 PM
    I made my sister in law a twin sized quilt. It was what I considered to be one of the best I had made. She thanked me very nicely when she got it. Two weeks later she complained it was too small and the next time I make one for her to make it bigger. Next she let her son use it to let his rabbit play on it. Finally I went over there and found she's using it as a dog blanket. It took me 33 hours to make. I hand stitched parts of it and machine quilted a lot of it. I know it wasn't perfect but I tried my hardest. I will never make her anything again. My husband thinks I'm being petty but it's his baby sister and she does no wrong.

    Oh hellz no. Using a handmade quilt as a dog blanket!!


    This is exactly why I do not ever want to have anybody give me a handmade quilt--or a handmade anything.

    It becomes mine. I can do with it what I want. And I don't want someone else assigning a value to anything and imposing that value on me.

    Maybe I don't need a twin-bed quilt, bcs I have bedding I like better. I need a dog blanket.

    I totally get that this means you don't want to give me anymore guilts--er, quilts. (Sorry--made a typo, and then realized that this is exactly what I meant). Fine w/ me--I didn't want the first one, really. And you're not ever obligated to give me anything, so I'd prefer someone not give me something that they'll end up feeling bad about.

    Understand what you're saying Toots, but the same can be said of any gifted item, hand-crafted or not, if it is an item valued differently by giver and recipient.

    So, my mother used to collect old vinyl records, and would be willing to gift one to a friend, but only if she thought it was something they would enjoy as well.  If she later found the recipient using it as a frisbee, probably not gifting more LPs to that person.  Which is fine.

    Except where a quilter/crafter (or collector of LPs) is then voluntold/asked/expected to share something with someone, and *knows* the intended recipient does not hold such a "thing" in the same general regard, or understand the actual effort/value of the "thing". 

    So jtime's SIL may have uses for a multitude of quilts for any number of purposes ("the next time you make me one...") but those won't be supplied by jtime.
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    Post by: TootsNYC on February 26, 2014, 02:55:23 PM
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    does not ... understand the actual effort/value of the "thing". 

    Here is my point: "Value" is subjective.

    A homemade quilt* may not have the same value to me that it does to the person who made it. Even if I -do- recognize the effort and work that goes into it; even if I do recognize the value that she places on it.

    Other people don't get to assign the "value" that *I* place on something.

    I think we would agree that the quiltmaker may place her *own* "value" on the quilt, and that it may be quite a bit higher than mine (in some cases, it would be lower; my grandmother would have told me to throw out my childhood quilt long ago when it began disintegrating). And when our different values don't match up, well, we don't have the same values. (winkie--see, wasn't that a clever turn of phrase?)

    But just because the crafter places a value on their product doesn't mean *I* must place the same value on it.

    EXCEPT FOR THIS: It's tremendously rude to demand people give you stuff of *any* value, and it's tremendously rude to argue that the crafter must change -her- value to match mine.

    Because *I* don't get to assign the value *she* should place on it, either.




    *"Quilt" being a stand-in for any handcrafted item.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: buvezdevin on February 26, 2014, 03:10:42 PM
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    does not ... understand the actual effort/value of the "thing". 

    Here is my point: "Value" is subjective.

    A homemade quilt* may not have the same value to me that it does to the person who made it. Even if I -do- recognize the effort and work that goes into it; even if I do recognize the value that she places on it.

    Other people don't get to assign the "value" that *I* place on something.

    I think we would agree that the quiltmaker may place her *own* "value" on the quilt, and that it may be quite a bit higher than mine (in some cases, it would be lower; my grandmother would have told me to throw out my childhood quilt long ago when it began disintegrating). And when our different values don't match up, well, we don't have the same values. (winkie--see, wasn't that a clever turn of phrase?)

    But just because the crafter places a value on their product doesn't mean *I* must place the same value on it.

    EXCEPT FOR THIS: It's tremendously rude to demand people give you stuff of *any* value, and it's tremendously rude to argue that the crafter must change -her- value to match mine.

    Because *I* don't get to assign the value *she* should place on it, either.




    *"Quilt" being a stand-in for any handcrafted item.

    You just restated exactly the point I made.
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    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 26, 2014, 03:42:01 PM
    Yeah, I think the disconnect in a lot of these stories is that they start with someone demanding, or even just more or less politely asking for, a homemade item from a crafter--so they want a specific thing that a specific person made, rather than going to Wal-Mart and buying a blanket or a sweater or whatever. And then, they use that homemade thing they asked for carelessly--using a homemade quilt as a dog blanket exactly the way they'd use a $10 fleece blanket from Wal-Mart. Maybe that's because they don't understand the value of the homemade item (in terms of time/money/effort/sentiment) or maybe they would've used a $200 store-bought cashmere blanket the same way. (Maybe only if the $200 blanket was a gift, and didn't represent their $200... ?)

    And that's when the crafter goes, "I will never make anything for you again."

    If the crafter just spontaneously presented them with the homemade item, with no indication they wanted it, that's when things can get a bit dodgy. Because as TootsNYC described it so well, you feel like you can't get rid of the thing or use it in a way that would be useful to you, and then you feel like a bad person because you don't like it. That's why I'm really careful about not pushing anything I make on others, I always wait for them to ask me about it. Because I don't want to put them in the position of accepting something they didn't want, and then having to throw it away or whatever--I'd rather keep the thing and give it to someone who really wanted it.

    Wow, if I gave someone a stuffed animal I'd made for them/their kids and then saw them using it as a dog toy I'd probably faint. I gave my grandma some of the stuffed animals (per request) and she passed them on to my little cousins (which I knew beforehand), who were twirling them around and stretching them and yanking on them. My mom thought I would flip out, but I was like--you know, that's what they're for, to be played with by kids. I was just glad they held up to the abuse.
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    Post by: TootsNYC on February 26, 2014, 03:47:17 PM
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    That's why I'm really careful about not pushing anything I make on others, I always wait for them to ask me about it. Because I don't want to put them in the position of accepting something they didn't want, and then having to throw it away or whatever--I'd rather keep the thing and give it to someone who really wanted it.

    I know what you mean! (though I'm less about giving the thing to someone who would value it, and more about not making them feel guilty that they don't like it)

    And I "blew it" this year bcs I made a purple linen capelet for my BFF. Mostly because I wanted to. I'm hoping she'll find it useful and will like it, but it *might* be annoying. And I told her that she should get rid of it if that's the case.
       She assured me that she would, and that she'd never mention that to me.

    I gave a cousin a sheer leopard-print moebius scarf for her b'day; hopefully if she doesn't like it, she'll feel OK getting rid of it, bcs I would never, ever know.

    I think I'd have a similar reaction to you w/ the kids playing w/ the stuffed animals: Good, they like them! A quilt that gets worn out because it was used nightly (and washed often), that would make me happy. Bcs it was used and loved.
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    Post by: POF on February 26, 2014, 04:11:19 PM
    My grandmother made beautiful handmade rugs, out of old clothes and whatever old material she could get her hands on.  She had an amazing sense of color and perspective.  Ok She also really really liked orange material .... but thats another discussion.  >:D

    She wanted us to USE the things she gave us.   I used the throw rugs for years and then when they were worn they went to the utility room.

    My Aunt gave me a beautiful hand quilted / embroidered white quilt for my wedding 20 years ago. I've never had it out. It's probably museum quality and with pets - I don't want to worry about it ... plus ... its WHITE.

    I have several antiques feedsack quilts from my great grandmother - which I use daily. Sure the cat will sleep on one, but for me I like them to be in use.

    While I love handmade things, for me its very selective.  My MIL used to make a lot of kitschy stuff and DH had a hard time letting it go.... some of it had small accidents.

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    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 26, 2014, 04:44:46 PM
    Yeah, I'm okay with something getting damaged or worn out because it was used with enjoyment--I find that to be a compliment! :) If someone wanted a dog toy, it might be kind of a fun challenge for me, figuring out how to make one, what materials to use, etc.. And then of course, I would expect it to get used and chewed on and all that. Or if a child-toy was damaged while the child was playing with it--I offer free repairs! :) I wouldn't get mad about that, because that's what I was hoping would happen, that it would be used a lot.

    You know, something I meant as a child-toy, which I see being used as a dog toy, could even be explained to me in a good way--a lot of it is in the attitude, too. There's a big difference between discovering that something is genuinely useful and appreciated but in a surprising way, and dismissively chucking something over your shoulder in a way that devalues the work that went into it.
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    Post by: Sirius on February 26, 2014, 04:58:59 PM
    I made tote bags for those on my Christmas list.  While everyone loved them, I have already made up my mind that they belong to the recipients to do with as they will.  Tote music books?  Great.  Carry groceries?  Fine with me.  Even giving it to someone else who needs one more won't bother me, but if someone thought it was hideous and pitched it I'd prefer not to know.
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    Post by: buvezdevin on February 26, 2014, 05:00:13 PM
    POF, you bring up a really good point about *using* things, which means they may eventually wear out - whether hand-made or store bought items - and also recognizing some things may not get used as they are impractical, for any reason.  I think a gift can be enjoyed and appreciated - whether it is then "used up" or kept as a special item and not in regular use.  But I am not much interested in keeping anything I won't *use* at least occasionally - no matter how lovely/well-made or expensively bought - because for me it just becomes another thing taking up storage room.

    I do have at least one "crafted" item I received more than a decade ago, never used, but would not part with.  My stepfather was raised in a large family on a small farm.  While he became a successful businessman - he continued to enjoy growing a small vegetable patch every year, and preserving a few cans from any very successful season.  I have a mason jar of some green beans he canned the last summer he was alive.  Because he "made" it, from growing the beans to preserving them, it's my favorite tangible memento of him, and seeing it on a bookshelf brings back vivid memories of the many wonderful foods he made over the years.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Outdoor Girl on February 26, 2014, 05:17:57 PM
    I'm a baker.  At Christmas time, I used to give everyone in the office a little bag of cookies or a little loaf cake, about the size of a medium sized muffin.  A few years ago, those treats were tossed on the lunchroom table, putting them up for grabs.

    Which kind of annoyed me.  They could have taken them home for a spouse or given them to the people who have a notorious sweet tooth, rather than what they did, which ensured that I would know that someone didn't want what I'd made.

    So I stopped doing it.  I still take treats in but I leave them on the lunchroom table or another central spot so that those who want them can indulge and those that don't can ignore them.  And the tray is always empty at the end of the day so I know they are appreciated.

    I've given sweaters to my Dad, brother and nephews many times over the years.  The only one I still knit one for every year is my Dad because I know he'll wear them all the time - whenever he wants to dress up a bit, like for church or doing his slide shows in the senior's centres.  But my oldest nephew requested one last Christmas as his gift.  Which I was happy to do.  And my brother requested some dishcloths so he got those, too.  And now he wants a sweater for this coming Christmas - I'm going to have to get sorted out which pattern he wants and get going on that, as well as finish the one that was for my Dad at Christmas that didn't get done.  I'll have it for his birthday in June.  And probably make him another one for Christmas.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: jtimenow on February 26, 2014, 05:27:04 PM
    To clarify about gifting my sister in law with the quilt, she ASKED me several times to make her one. She had seen other quilts I made for Aunts and cousins. I even made a baby quilt for her son.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: TootsNYC on February 26, 2014, 06:11:51 PM
    if someone thought it was hideous and pitched it I'd prefer not to know.


    This is, of course,true of any gift.
    The more energy has gone into selectingt the gift, the more powerful this sentiment.
    Stuff I've carefully picked out--even if I didn't make it--I don't want to know that someone tossed it. Oh, they can, of course; I'd even encourage them to do so. But I don't -really- want to know.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Jocelyn on February 26, 2014, 07:43:09 PM
    I think I need to take my mom to Paducah. She and Dad tried to go once, but they went on a Monday, and evidently everything is closed on Monday.

    Mom has gone to the International Quilt Festival the past three years, b/c it was here in Cincinnati. I went once, I don't remember seeing prices, but then you don't see price tags in a museum either. She's very disappointed the festival decided to move back to Chicago.
    The big show is the last week of April, but hotels are already booked. You'd have to stay at quite a distance. The museum and several quilt shops are there all the time, of course, and there's Hancock's of Paducah, the world's largest fabric store. It's the Sam's Club of fabric stores. :)
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: PastryGoddess on February 26, 2014, 08:36:41 PM
    I think I need to take my mom to Paducah. She and Dad tried to go once, but they went on a Monday, and evidently everything is closed on Monday.

    Mom has gone to the International Quilt Festival the past three years, b/c it was here in Cincinnati. I went once, I don't remember seeing prices, but then you don't see price tags in a museum either. She's very disappointed the festival decided to move back to Chicago.
    The big show is the last week of April, but hotels are already booked. You'd have to stay at quite a distance. The museum and several quilt shops are there all the time, of course, and there's Hancock's of Paducah, the world's largest fabric store. It's the Sam's Club of fabric stores. :)

    *sob*  I miss Hancock's
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: BabyMama on February 27, 2014, 07:22:51 AM
    I made homemade (from scratch) pastries for a sporting event my husband is involved in. A few of the women on the board asked if I could make them for their event the following weekend. We were planning on going out of town that weekend, leaving on Friday, but I like them and they were so excited that I said yes, and we pushed our travel plan back to leave after I'd delivered them early in the morning. I did say they didn't need to pay me, and they stressed, "No, we want to hire you. You need to start making money on your stuff."

    When asked how much I would charge, I explained that because I'm not a professional/baking out of my home, I did not want to actually name a price, but would give them my ingredient cost and it was up to them to decide how much my labor was worth (a cake baker I know was doing that and someone--likely the other cake baker in town who has finally secured a premises--called the Dept of Health on her, so now she does it this way.)

    I gave them a rough-on-the-high-side estimate for cost of materials, and stressed again that it was only for materials. One of the women, who has been pushing me to try to sell my stuff more, agreed, and so did the other woman, who is the treasurer for the group and the one who would be paying me. The treasurer also asked if I would do baked goods for her son's graduation this summer, and I said sure.

    Anyway. The early delivery time of the pastries meant that I would have to prep the pastries the night before and wake up at 6 a.m. on Saturday to fry them. Bit earlier than I care to wake up on the weekend! But it was for friends, and it was a paid job. Pastries were made, delivered, we mingled a bit, and then went on our way.

    I sent the treasurer an invoice, as they requested, after pricing out the cost of each of ingredient, which turned out to be even less than my original estimate. The invoice even said "cost of materials." And stressed again on the e-mail that labor wasn't included. They had purchased pastries from the local grocery store for the previous event, so they knew the general range of how much per dozen things cost--and they had said too that the store's were not very good, and that mine had gotten rave reviews.

    Check arrived yesterday, and it's only for the cost of materials.  :-\ I "made" less than $15 on 4 dozen pastries that took 3 hours to make.

    Now. I probably would have made them anyway if they had just asked, because I'm like that. But I gave up some family time and woke up extra early so I could meet their time deadline (when I made them for the earlier event, I delivered them when they were done, which was a bit later. They still got eaten!)

    DH doesn't want me to say anything, and I probably won't, because it's not a huge financial difference and it was a first time. But I'm going to need to make it much, much clearer when she asks me to do her kid's graduation cupcakes....no way am I making dozens of gourmet cupcakes for the cost of some flour and sugar.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Teenyweeny on February 27, 2014, 07:29:33 AM
    Oh no! How annoying.

    I think the lesson to take from this is to name a price for your labour. I would have a hard time putting a value on somebody's labour if they said 'no really, pay what you think is fair'.

    I'd wonder if they'd be uncomfortable if I tried to pay them more than a token amount, but then I'd worry that a token amount would be insulting. Then I'd wonder if they were really saying, "honestly, you don't have to pay me...ok, chuck me a couple of quid if it makes you feel better".

    Basically, I'd get in a huge quandry, and I'm wondering if these ladies did the same.

    Next time, just give a fair price for your area (at least minimum wage). Value your work!
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Bethalize on February 27, 2014, 07:56:26 AM
    Check arrived yesterday, and it's only for the cost of materials.  :-\ I "made" less than $15 on 4 dozen pastries that took 3 hours to make.
    [SNIP]
    DH doesn't want me to say anything, and I probably won't, because it's not a huge financial difference and it was a first time. But I'm going to need to make it much, much clearer when she asks me to do her kid's graduation cupcakes....no way am I making dozens of gourmet cupcakes for the cost of some flour and sugar.

    I feel your  pain! I am a hobby baker and I like to do stuff that you simply couldn't afford to buy (or wouldn't allow yourself to buy at the real price it costs). I bill like this:
    Cost of ingredients (Anything from £8 to £40)
    Cost of other pieces (candles, cake board and box etc)
    Overhead charge (for electricity, cleaning supplies, maintenance of materials, shopping for ingredients, usually £5)
    Transport cost (for delivery)
    Labour charge (If I am charging labour it's a flat £20 or something)

    That way there is no argument about what things cost. I don't "make" any money out of these things. I don't do it to make money, I do it as a chance to enjoy my hobby and to enrich the lives of my friends.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: VorFemme on February 27, 2014, 07:58:15 AM
    Oh no! How annoying.

    I think the lesson to take from this is to name a price for your labour. I would have a hard time putting a value on somebody's labour if they said 'no really, pay what you think is fair'.

    I'd wonder if they'd be uncomfortable if I tried to pay them more than a token amount, but then I'd worry that a token amount would be insulting. Then I'd wonder if they were really saying, "honestly, you don't have to pay me...ok, chuck me a couple of quid if it makes you feel better".

    Basically, I'd get in a huge quandry, and I'm wondering if these ladies did the same.

    Next time, just give a fair price for your area (at least minimum wage). Value your work!


    Under some local health regulations in the USA - she *can't* name a cost for her labor without a business license AND a separate, professional kitchen (not her home kitchen, in other words) - which is why she was emphasizing that the invoice covered ONLY the cost of materials.  The message was supposed to be - "this was the cost of materials - if the group likes the pastries, there should be at least a token additional financial consideration added in appreciation for the labor" - that message didn't get through, since the check covered ONLY the materials.

    The message that got back to the OP was that her baking was good, but that her time was being taken for granted as a "donation of love" (for baking or the group) and there was no financial appreciation of the sacrifice of the time or the higher level of taste in a small batch over part of a HUGE batch made in a giant bakery & shipped to their location.  Which the etiquette response to is "I don't have the time to do this again for the group".

    Legally, asking for money for her labor would be a problem.  Socially, asking/hinting for money for her labor appears to have been ignored. 

    The appropriate etiquette response is along the lines of "I don't have time to do this if I only get back the cost of the materials, these are expensive not just for the cost of ingredients but the experience it takes to acquire the knowledge & skill to combine them appetizingly and then the time to make a batch."
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: BabyMama on February 27, 2014, 08:05:42 AM
    Yeah, I wasn't expecting a giant windfall, but as they'd bought similar but more mass-produced similars the week before, I figured they would at least look at that as a guide. The gas station charges twice what I charged for ingredients for a dozen. That would have been fair to me.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: TootsNYC on February 27, 2014, 10:21:24 AM
    Then again, the group may be constrained from writing a check without an invoice to match it up against. If they're financially organized enough to have a checking account, then they have accounting practices to follow.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Lynn2000 on February 27, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
    Of course I don't know how much was discussed with the group, but I personally would have no idea about laws saying what you could and couldn't charge for. I like to think I would've gotten the hint that "this is only the cost of materials" would mean I should add something on to the price you gave me, but I wouldn't have any idea how much to add. I would probably think of it along the lines of a tip, and maybe do 20% of the materials cost. Maybe that would end up being an amount that was fine with you.

    Maybe next time you could include the cost of materials and also say, "This took about 5 hours to do," and then maybe I would look up minimum wage and estimate a labor cost from that. If someone was dancing around the cost of labor, I would think it had more do to with being polite, or shy, or not wanting to scare me off, than it did with something legal. So maybe it would be prudent to say, if you haven't already, "I can't directly charge you for labor, because I don't have a license for that. However, here is the cost of materials. It took me 5 hours to make these."

    TootsNYC has a good point, too.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: mbbored on February 27, 2014, 10:31:30 AM
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    does not ... understand the actual effort/value of the "thing". 

    Here is my point: "Value" is subjective.

    A homemade quilt* may not have the same value to me that it does to the person who made it. Even if I -do- recognize the effort and work that goes into it; even if I do recognize the value that she places on it.

    Other people don't get to assign the "value" that *I* place on something.

    I think we would agree that the quiltmaker may place her *own* "value" on the quilt, and that it may be quite a bit higher than mine (in some cases, it would be lower; my grandmother would have told me to throw out my childhood quilt long ago when it began disintegrating). And when our different values don't match up, well, we don't have the same values. (winkie--see, wasn't that a clever turn of phrase?)

    But just because the crafter places a value on their product doesn't mean *I* must place the same value on it.

    EXCEPT FOR THIS: It's tremendously rude to demand people give you stuff of *any* value, and it's tremendously rude to argue that the crafter must change -her- value to match mine.

    Because *I* don't get to assign the value *she* should place on it, either.




    *"Quilt" being a stand-in for any handcrafted item.

    Thank you!

    Over 10 years ago, when I was still in high school, my sister who lived out of state hand embroidered a pair of jeans for me. These were straight out of the 70s: light wash, bell bottomed with a sun on one back pocket, a VW van on the other, paisleys and flowers on the cuffs and up the legs. Clearly she spent hours doing this. Except I was a shy, preppy dresser, preferring dark wash boot cuts with pastel polo shirts and hating anything bright that might draw attention to me. I also did anything my mother told me to do until the day she told me to wear those jeans to casual Friday at school (usually we wore uniforms.) I flat out refused to do so, preferring to look like a dork in my uniform, and my mother called my sister to tell her of my ingratitude. A few weeks later, I snuck the jeans out of the house and into a Goodwill drop off. When my mother went looking for the jeans to make me wear them to a family reunion and discovered they were missing, she yelled at me about my ingratitude then called my sister to have her do the same.

    To this day, when they talk about homemade gifts, they always snark, "But mbbored doesn't appreciate hand crafted items." I do appreciate hand crafts but it doesn't mean I have to like every item given to me.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: BabyMama on February 27, 2014, 10:38:08 AM
    Of course I don't know how much was discussed with the group, but I personally would have no idea about laws saying what you could and couldn't charge for. I like to think I would've gotten the hint that "this is only the cost of materials" would mean I should add something on to the price you gave me, but I wouldn't have any idea how much to add. I would probably think of it along the lines of a tip, and maybe do 20% of the materials cost. Maybe that would end up being an amount that was fine with you.

    I did explain to them the rules--I think the one woman got it, she works in a very rule-centric atmosphere (think banking or real estate) and even said back to me, "And we'll toss in some 'extra, wink wink.'" There was about a 5 day gap between the delivering and the invoice (computer issues), and they had a really busy weekend with late nights and whatnot. So, relatively understandable, but still kind of stings.

    I had a thread a few months back about buying a cake from the baker I mentioned, and wondering what a reasonable amount was, because I didn't want to insult/shortchange her. I also asked on Facebook. A friend who has also done some part-time baking pointed out that we care about that kind of thing because, well, we know to care.

    I ended up paying her $80 for a fancy cake for a 6-year-old that three people were going to eat. Worth every penny.
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: alkira6 on February 27, 2014, 10:41:08 AM
    I have done some baking and catering to help pay my way through undergrad and grad school. The amount of cheapness that came into play when people hear prices!  It's "just" a batch of cookies or "just" a tort.  I always just reminded them that they were welcome to take the 3-5 hours out of their schedule to "just" make them themselves and I would even provide the recipes if needed.  I had one person take me up on it and afterwards just quietly pay the prices listed and even add on a tip sometimes.  Ganache is very easy to ruin if you don't know what you're doing.  ::)
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: BabyMama on February 27, 2014, 10:48:33 AM
    I have done some baking and catering to help pay my way through undergrad and grad school. The amount of cheapness that came into play when people hear prices!  It's "just" a batch of cookies or "just" a tort.  I always just reminded them that they were welcome to take the 3-5 hours out of their schedule to "just" make them themselves and I would even provide the recipes if needed.  I had one person take me up on it and afterwards just quietly pay the prices listed and even add on a tip sometimes.  Ganache is very easy to ruin if you don't know what you're doing.  ::)

    No kidding. I use organic flour and sugar, and buy nice chocolates and cocoas and cupcake liners, and make my own vanilla extract. When I bake for other people, that's what they're going to get too. So no, it's not like the $6 for a dozen cookies you can get at the gas station.

    I have no problem sharing recipes when people ask. Then I usually do, and I get a, "That looks too complicated" answer. It seems like less of a process when I do it...because it's my recipe, I've developed it, I've purchased all the kitchen tools that will make the process go much more quickly, and I've made it enough times where it's pretty much autopilot. So yeah, I can crank out three dozen cupcakes in an afternoon and have them to you by this evening. Doesn't mean it's any less effort (or cost) for me.

    Now I want some cupcakes, haha. Who wants to make me some freebies?
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: alkira6 on February 27, 2014, 11:02:59 AM
    I have done some baking and catering to help pay my way through undergrad and grad school. The amount of cheapness that came into play when people hear prices!  It's "just" a batch of cookies or "just" a tort.  I always just reminded them that they were welcome to take the 3-5 hours out of their schedule to "just" make them themselves and I would even provide the recipes if needed.  I had one person take me up on it and afterwards just quietly pay the prices listed and even add on a tip sometimes.  Ganache is very easy to ruin if you don't know what you're doing.  ::)

    No kidding. I use organic flour and sugar, and buy nice chocolates and cocoas and cupcake liners, and make my own vanilla extract. When I bake for other people, that's what they're going to get too. So no, it's not like the $6 for a dozen cookies you can get at the gas station.

    I have no problem sharing recipes when people ask. Then I usually do, and I get a, "That looks too complicated" answer. It seems like less of a process when I do it...because it's my recipe, I've developed it, I've purchased all the kitchen tools that will make the process go much more quickly, and I've made it enough times where it's pretty much autopilot. So yeah, I can crank out three dozen cupcakes in an afternoon and have them to you by this evening. Doesn't mean it's any less effort (or cost) for me.

    Now I want some cupcakes, haha. Who wants to make me some freebies?

    Yes, the ever lovely gas station prices for top tier goods crowd.  Yes, I'll make you a Godiva's chocolate tort with cherry vodka sauce.  Oh, you want it for $20?  Please, wait there while I finish laughing. Might want to take a seat, it could be a while.  ::)
    Title: Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    Post by: Alli8098 on February 27, 2014, 11:11:48 AM
    I have done some baking and catering to help pay my way through undergrad and grad school. The amount of cheapness that came into play when people he