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Title: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Hollanda on July 13, 2013, 06:44:53 AM
It's summer here! After one of the longest winters on record,  we're having a heatwave!  Yes, celebration time you say. Well yes and no.

The moaners are back out in force.  "It's too hot!" "We need the rain!" "It makes me feel ill!" These same people complain about the rain,  complain when it's too windy,  complain it's supposed to be summer and it's not hot enough and complaint when it's freezing in winter. You get the drift.

How does one politely respond to the constant moans? I'm tempted to just suggest they make the most of it since it won't last long and before we know it,  they'll be lamenting the end of the heatwave and wishing it were hot again! !

But really what can I say?!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: aussie_chick on July 13, 2013, 06:54:28 AM
That's exactly the kind of thing I say when someone complains about the weather. It's winter here currently and the same people who complained about the heat in summer are now complaining about the cold/rain etc.
I smile brightly and say "oh well, it won't be that long and we'll all be complaining about the heat." Then walk away.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Pen^2 on July 13, 2013, 07:17:12 AM
If it's a normal, talking-about-the-weather comment, then I just continue with the conversation. Nothing wrong with stating that you dislike the current weather. Cut people a bit of slack! One or two comments isn't a big deal.

But if it's someone who harps on and on about how dreadful the current season is, however, and doesn't let you talk about much else, I'd just say, "I'm sorry it bothers you that much," and walk off. There's no sense in having a conversation with someone who won't talk about anything you find interesting.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: *inviteseller on July 13, 2013, 07:32:02 AM
I admit it..I was a moaner on Wednesday.  My town, especially the part I live in, was hit with 4" of rain in a very short time, causing serious flooding (my section of town was literally cut off due to all roads being closed around me) and I made a FB status about it, but it was somewhat tongue in cheek.  I commented that if we aren't freezing to death, we are cooking , or we are in a drought followed by Biblical rains..can't we just get normal weather???  The comments that followed were actually pretty funny, and most people who make comments like mine are just making comments about the extremes. 
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: mechtilde on July 13, 2013, 07:33:58 AM
Will you forgive me if I only moan when it's too hot?
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Thipu1 on July 13, 2013, 07:36:11 AM
There's really nothing you can do except bean dip or make a joke of it. 

If someone complains about the never-ending rain, a comment like 'Yeah.  Our floor lamps are starting to grow moss' or 'Last night I saw the zoo animals heading for the port in pairs' may be in order. 

The weather affects everyone.  We're all sweltering or sick of the snow.   



Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 13, 2013, 07:43:55 AM
There's really nothing you can do except bean dip or make a joke of it. 

If someone complains about the never-ending rain, a comment like 'Yeah.  Our floor lamps are starting to grow moss' or 'Last night I saw the zoo animals heading for the port in pairs' may be in order. 

The weather affects everyone.  We're all sweltering or sick of the snow.   

If you're from the South, a good play on the ever-present humidity is "It's not the heat; it's the stupidity."
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Thipu1 on July 13, 2013, 08:41:14 AM
There's really nothing you can do except bean dip or make a joke of it. 

If someone complains about the never-ending rain, a comment like 'Yeah.  Our floor lamps are starting to grow moss' or 'Last night I saw the zoo animals heading for the port in pairs' may be in order. 

The weather affects everyone.  We're all sweltering or sick of the snow.   

If you're from the South, a good play on the ever-present humidity is "It's not the heat; it's the
stupidity."

That is a quip I must remember.  Thanks.

This thread reminds me of William Butler Yeats.  He wrote about an uncle who was extremely negative about weather.  On the day after the Summer Solstice uncle would complain, 'How short the days are getting!'

On a particularly warm day in London, Yeats brought his uncle into the reading room of the British Museum to cool off.  What was the uncle's response?

'This place must be horribly difficult to heat in the winter'. 

You just can't please some people.  All you can do is laugh it off.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: audrey1962 on July 13, 2013, 08:46:12 AM
Some people just like to complain. I ignore them.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: GratefulMaria on July 13, 2013, 08:49:04 AM
I have a really hard time in the heat:  unmotivated, uncomfortable, and probably unendurable to be around.  But a girlfriend of mine loves it and we're always emailing back and forth about it.  "Did you order up this heat wave?"  "Eww, partly cloudy, low 60's, and breezy, you must be happy! :-)"

But, oh, the universally negative.  A friend of DH's describes someone like that as "so hard to please, you could give her a million dollars and she'd complain the bag is too heavy."
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Tea Drinker on July 13, 2013, 08:59:18 AM
I admit it..I was a moaner on Wednesday.  My town, especially the part I live in, was hit with 4" of rain in a very short time, causing serious flooding (my section of town was literally cut off due to all roads being closed around me) and I made a FB status about it, but it was somewhat tongue in cheek.  I commented that if we aren't freezing to death, we are cooking , or we are in a drought followed by Biblical rains..can't we just get normal weather???  The comments that followed were actually pretty funny, and most people who make comments like mine are just making comments about the extremes.

If you're where I think you are, there's a difference between "oh, it's summer again" and "ugh, unprecedented amounts of rain causing real problems." And, as others have said, there are people who manage to forget every year that yes, it snows in New York and Toronto; Florida summers are hot and humid; and it really does rain in southern California.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: audrey1962 on July 13, 2013, 09:25:12 AM
TBH, I think some people just don't know how to make small talk.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Perfect Circle on July 13, 2013, 09:26:18 AM
The heat we have at the moment is making me ill. I never want this kind of weather so I reserve the right to moan about it. Similarily if it's rained for ten days on a trott it's moaning to wish it would stop.

I'd just ignore it if it bothers you, there isn't much you can do about it.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 13, 2013, 09:33:53 AM
The same people who complain about us saying that it's too hot are usually those same people complaining how cold it is in the winter, so it works both ways.

I don't like the heat much, can you tell?
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: kherbert05 on July 13, 2013, 09:45:50 AM
When they complain it is too cold my standard response is - Don't ever go someplace it actually gets cold. (These people are freezing to death at outside temperatures that = where they keep their ac in the summer)


When they complain it is too hot - You do know you are living in Houston (Especially when too hot is in the 80's)


Complain about rain right now - We need the rain to break the drought.


Complain about hurricanes - Every place on Earth has its standard natural disasters. At least with hurricanes we get days if not a week or more to prepare and get out of the way.


I admit to saying I hate ragweed/ligustrums (I think the law should say that if you have ligustrums you must cut off the buds before they bloom. Honestly I've never head someone do anything about complain about the blooms they are very messy).
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 13, 2013, 09:49:44 AM
"Everybody complains about the weather, but nobody does anything about it."

Charles Dudley Warner, quoted by Mark Twain
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: kitchcat on July 13, 2013, 10:24:00 AM
"You're welcome to change the weather if you can find a way."
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: rose red on July 13, 2013, 10:25:41 AM
It's just a bad to hear someone praise hot weather.  I have a coworker who love hot weather.  Her idea of paradise is 100+ degree weather.  On those days she eats lunch in her car (just thinking about it is making me nauseated.)  She goes on and on about how beautiful it is and how she wish it will last forever.  She complains to maintenance for turning on the AC in the Summer.  One year the AC broke for 3 days during a major heat wave (the kind they warn about in the news.)  Management allowed us to bring in personal fans and wear sleeveless tops and shorts which are usually a big no-no.  Meanwhile, she complained they are "wasting" money to fix the AC.  She does this knowing most of us hate hot weather/sun and a few of us even get allergic-like reactions.  I admit the rest of us talk about it if it's unusually hot, but we don't go on and on and on like her.

She's a very nice woman otherwise, but her praise of the heat gets on my last nerve.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: whatsanenigma on July 13, 2013, 10:40:14 AM
Where I live, the weather is notoriously unpredictable, so when someone complains about the weather, a common thing to say is "Just wait five minutes, it will probably change!".  I also like the line "Well, in [other season] we will be complaining that it's too [other temperature] and looking forward to [current season]".  But a lot of people I know, including myself, will sometimes say that ourselves after complaining about the weather, because we know it's true.   :D

So I think the best thing to do is make a joke like that out of it.  And if you think she might just be bad at small talk, you could further the conversation with weather-related stuff.  Like if she says that it's too hot and dry and you need rain, you could say how you'll be glad to get rain because you are struggling with keeping enough water in your garden.  Then she might ask about your garden and you go from there.

But in any case I think a joke would work.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 13, 2013, 10:41:16 AM
It's just a bad to hear someone praise hot weather.  I have a coworker who love hot weather.  Her idea of paradise is 100+ degree weather.  On those days she eats lunch in her car (just thinking about it is making me nauseated.)  She goes on and on about how beautiful it is and how she wish it will last forever.  She complains to maintenance for turning on the AC in the Summer.  One year the AC broke for 3 days during a major heat wave (the kind they warn about in the news.)  Management allowed us to bring in personal fans and wear sleeveless tops and shorts which are usually a big no-no.  Meanwhile, she complained they are "wasting" money to fix the AC.  She does this knowing most of us hate hot weather/sun and a few of us even get allergic-like reactions.  I admit the rest of us talk about it if it's unusually hot, but we don't go on and on and on like her.

She's a very nice woman otherwise, but her praise of the heat gets on my last nerve.

I have the same issue with snow. It doesn't snow here all that often but I hate it, because it means I'm stranded in my flat until it's gone. Having to listen to people go on about how lovely the snow is all the time really irks me, plus then I get called a killjoy for not liking it.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: whatsanenigma on July 13, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
It's just a bad to hear someone praise hot weather.  I have a coworker who love hot weather.  Her idea of paradise is 100+ degree weather.  On those days she eats lunch in her car (just thinking about it is making me nauseated.)  She goes on and on about how beautiful it is and how she wish it will last forever.  She complains to maintenance for turning on the AC in the Summer.  One year the AC broke for 3 days during a major heat wave (the kind they warn about in the news.)  Management allowed us to bring in personal fans and wear sleeveless tops and shorts which are usually a big no-no.  Meanwhile, she complained they are "wasting" money to fix the AC.  She does this knowing most of us hate hot weather/sun and a few of us even get allergic-like reactions.  I admit the rest of us talk about it if it's unusually hot, but we don't go on and on and on like her.

She's a very nice woman otherwise, but her praise of the heat gets on my last nerve.

I have the same issue with snow. It doesn't snow here all that often but I hate it, because it means I'm stranded in my flat until it's gone. Having to listen to people go on about how lovely the snow is all the time really irks me, plus then I get called a killjoy for not liking it.

I am not trapped in my house when there is snow, but my mobility is severely impaired due to balance and vision issues, and even simple errands become very complicated.  So when people around me praise the snow, I laugh and I say "Oh, the snow is beautiful! It's the ice I could do without." 

And usually, the person agrees with me!  :D  They admit, the snow is pretty to look at, and the temperature might even feel nice, but that ice is the nasty thing.  Looking at snow, or even playing with it, is fun, but falling on ice is not!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: nayberry on July 13, 2013, 10:58:14 AM
i love when it's cooler, i rug up and get all my blankets out, whereas in the heat i just wilt.   i lived in Oz for a while and found it bearable because of the way its set up, a/c, open plan house. in the UK i have windows open and fans on, and still live in t's and shorts whilst drinking so much you'd swear i was going to explode.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Morticia on July 13, 2013, 11:41:15 AM
I am one of the heat cheerleaders, but in fairness, we are looking to emigrate somewhere where the weather agrees with us all year round. I have no business being in Toronto in the winter. I try to refrain from reminding people that this weather is what people pay to go to in winter.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Daydream on July 13, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
I've been thinking about the opposite of this a lot, as I do every summer -- about how I feel it's *not* considered socially acceptable to complain about feeling uncomfortable or even ill in the heat in public, so I never do. 

You may feel nauseous, or like you are about to pass out and can't breathe well.  You may be embarrassed because your neck/chest is red and splotchy from heat-rash, or because you're the only one in the room whose face is damp, but the only "right" thing to do is smile and agree when people talk about how beautiful the weather is. 

I think that, at least in most areas of the US, hot weather is something you are "supposed" to look forward to and agreeing about how nice it is is supposed to be a human bonding experience.  So, not being physically well-suited for it makes you an outcast.  People can be very judgmental about it. 

I've never noticed this with cold weather, though.  I don't think most people look down on those who can't handle cold temperatures well as being unfit or lazy for not wanting to participate in certain activities or be outdoors.

I think that complaining about being snowed in or how a heavy rain affects people's plans, etc., is a way for people to connect through small talk, and is looked upon as normal.

I'm tempted to just suggest they make the most of it since it won't last long and before we know it,  they'll be lamenting the end of the heatwave and wishing it were hot again! !

But really what can I say?!

I think a cheerful, "Oh, it won't be long until Fall's here again!" would be fine.  I wouldn't add anything that assumes they will just wish it was hot again, even if you really are talking to someone you know well enough to believe that is true. 
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: *inviteseller on July 13, 2013, 12:53:48 PM
I don't mind the moaners about the extreme heat (and it has been brutal this summer to the point of making me physically ill) or when we get slammed with snow.  This past February was just unreal with the cold and snow and most people were complaining about not seeing the sun..weather does affect people.  But when we get a nice rain to break the heat and people kvetch, I think "geez, my grass is brown and I am dying from prickly heat!" but when Noah was going down the road the other day, I didn't mind all the comments because it was unreal and TBH scary.   I also get annoyed if I say something about the cold and snow..once I am cold it is hard for me to warm back up and as I age I am more afraid of falling but it is more an aside comment, but there is always someone who will say "well you are from a notoriously snowy city, you should be ok with it".  Just because I lived there doesn't make me immune to cold and hip breaking falls! 
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Acadianna on July 13, 2013, 02:33:56 PM
I don't mind people who moan about the weather, but it does bother me when people moan about temperatures indoors, especially when they expect a venue to change the AC/heat setting just for them, even though everyone else is comfortable.

This happens in my classroom, where I keep the thermostat setting right in the middle.  I still hear "I'm too cold!" or "I'm too hot!" fairly often, almost always from just one student (i.e., the rest are fine with the temperature).
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: magician5 on July 13, 2013, 04:38:30 PM
Don't respond to those comments at all. Either bean dip, or just keep repeating "that's terrible."
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on July 13, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
I love spring and fall, and am not a real fan of the extreme temps.  Though we haven't had it too bad yet this summer.  Sure a few hot and humid days in the 90's but nothing dangerously hot that warnings are issued.  Though like my DH says about summer vs. winter, "You can always put more clothes on but there's only so much you can take off."

Though usually by February I'm ready to start ditching the heavy coats.  Seriously, give me a day where it's nearly 50 and I'm out there with sweatshirt and jeans happy as a clam because I don't have to bother with a coat.

Which is why I enjoy spring and fall, for the temps that fall nicely between 60 and 70. :)  Course there are oddities, like having a 35 degree night in the middle of May while camping.  :P
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: cheyne on July 13, 2013, 05:24:10 PM
When people start to complain about it being too hot, I just laugh and (lightly) say, "Yeah, it's pretty hot working outside when it's over 100". 

Anyone who works outside in extreme temps whether hot or cold gets a pass for kvetching about the weather in my book.  This week it's been between 95 and 106 for highs everyday.  I was out in it all week.  I drank over a gallon of water plus gatorade every day.  There were times when all I could think about was the heat.  I'm sure my conversations with indoors people were pretty boring.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: bansidhe on July 13, 2013, 06:20:52 PM
I reserve the right to complain about having only evaporative cooling in the monsoon season in southern Arizona. It sucks.

I don't harp on it, however. Harping on any subject is pretty obnoxious and is best addressed with a large serving of beandip.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: gmatoy on July 13, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
My favorite season is summer. Wait, I need to qualify that! My favorite season where I grew up and now live is summer. In the Pacific Northwest, summer is a really nice season, usually. Some warm days, some almost hot days, a few hot days and then it breaks and goes to rain or coolish days. Something for everyone.
 I did not like the Alabama summer when I was in Army basic training...although I feel it is fair to say that they said it was the hottest summer they had had in 100 years! (1969, in case you're wondering.)
I did not mind, most of the time, the summers I spent in NJ because I spent a lot of time in the pool, at the lake, or at the beach when I was off duty.

But I hated, hated, hated the 5 years of NY summers. I lived in Queens and you'd go out at midnight and you'd watch to heat just shimmering off of the buildings and sidewalks. Again, not so bad during the working part of the day because of AC. But in out apartment, I lived in the bedroom where our only AC was.
DH kept saying, "But you told me that summer was your favorite season!"  NO! I said my favorite season back home was summer! Not where the humidity is almost 100%!

Years ago, I read a cartoon. It showed devils in he-- and one of them was saying, "It's not the heat, it's the humidity!" I kept that cartoon until it was not legible!

Well, that qualifies as my moaning! >:D
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 14, 2013, 01:46:13 AM
Oh, that's a really good point, gmatoy.

I grew up by the coast. I loved summers there. I was at the beach every day o the school holidays. But here, inland, slap bang in the middle of the muggy city? Not so much.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Need to Change on July 14, 2013, 04:54:08 AM
Some folks (errrr ... I seem to be one of them) have real problems when "seasonal" changes from winter to summer, then back again, happen over less than a week's time.  We have no time to get acclimated, so every one of those 24- or 48-hour "seasons" feels miserable.

That said, I'll keep quiet now!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Miss Unleaded on July 14, 2013, 05:42:10 AM
Here I was thinking that the weather was the only safe subject remaining to me.  Doh!

 ;)
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: ettiquit on July 14, 2013, 09:30:29 AM
I don't mind much when people complain about unexpected weather (snow in July, 90 degree day in February), but when there's nothing particularly surprising about it, I get annoyed.  I have a friend who hates the cold, so you can count on her to complain about it nearly every day in the winter.  It gets old.

I have an extremely low tolerance to heat, and it doesn't take much for me to become physically ill even in weather that many would find mild. I do occasionally complain, but more because it's preventing me from being able to do something I want to do.

Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Allyson on July 14, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
No matter what the weather is, someone won't like it, and someone else will, so I don't really understand some people who seem to get truly bothered when others like/dislike X weather. What I think gets over the top, regardless of what they are complaining about, is the *constant* whining. When you can't go five minutes without mentioning that it's hot/cold/rainy/snowy, it just gets tiring to listen to. Regardless of how justified it might be (and all complaints are justified to the complainer.)\

Also annoying is 'You can't say anything because *I* know what hot/cold/rainy really is!'
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Outdoor Girl on July 14, 2013, 12:16:49 PM
Reminds me of the cartoon someone put up in the office:  Shows a bunch of people in cubeville and a vending machine:  Control the office temperature for 10 minutes - $5.

One of my coworkers loves the heat and is always cold in the office.  Perimenopausal me is almost always on the warm side.  We joke that if both of us are uncomfortable, it must be fine for everyone else.

I'm a three H hater (hot, humid and hazy).  If summer could have nice sunny days in the low 20's C (70's F) with no humidity?  I'd be a happy camper.  Today, it is mid 80's with a humidex of over 100.  Blech.  I think complaining about the weather is a national pastime.  If it's raining, people want it to be sunny.  If it has been sunny, people want it to rain so they don't have to water (this is the one I complain about the most).  Same with snow, deep freezes, etc.

My one neighbour and I have a bit of a joke going.  They don't have much of a garden so they want drought in the summer so they don't have to mow the grass; I want lots of rain so I don't have to water.  Last summer, we had a 'drought' - about 4 weeks with little to no rain - and when it finally did start raining, they were joking about me dancing around in the yard in the rain.  Skyclad.  They weren't far wrong; when it started to rain, I threw on a pair of shorts and a raincoat and went out to move water from one rain barrel to another, because only one of them was under the downspout.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: cabbageweevil on July 14, 2013, 02:20:26 PM
Also annoying is 'You can't say anything because *I* know what hot/cold/rainy really is!'

"There was a young man from Quebec
 Who got buried in snow to his neck.
 When they asked, 'Are you friz?'
 He replied, 'Yes, I is;
 But we don't call this cold in Quebec.' "
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Roses on July 14, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
Holland, you must live in my city.  I counter these comments with...

Oh but I just love the sun...
Oh but the rain makes everything so green...
Oh the cold, isn't it nice we have such distinct seasons...

Lather, rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: baglady on July 14, 2013, 11:57:28 PM
I've been known to tell people who complain about chilly weather in the fall (e.g., 50 degrees Fahrenheit), "Aw, c'mon, come February you'll be *praying* for weather like this!"

Not so much with the extreme heat, though. All I've got there is "Yep, this sucks. Thank heaven for air conditioning."

People are going to complain about the weather. It's a safe topic for small talk, so a lot of people default to it. If the weather isn't to their liking, that small talk often takes the form of p***ing and moaning. If you want to get people off the "all complaints, all the time" train, try sharing tips for coping with the weather and asking for theirs. ("Have you tried those XYZ hand warmers that go inside your gloves?" "When it's really hot I soak a bandana in ice water and wear it around my neck -- works like a charm!")
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: *inviteseller on July 15, 2013, 02:39:49 AM
It is 3 38 am, 86 degrees, and my air went bye bye..may I pleasepleaseplease moan a little???   ;)
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Hollanda on July 15, 2013, 04:05:20 AM
Lol. Im in the UK.  This heat is not normal.  Hubby and I love it. We appreciate not everyone does but really it's the people who constantly moan about the weather regardless of what it is...drives us mad.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 15, 2013, 04:24:08 AM
Lol. Im in the UK.  This heat is not normal.  Hubby and I love it. We appreciate not everyone does but really it's the people who constantly moan about the weather regardless of what it is...drives us mad.

Constant moaning can be annoying no matter what the topic, but in this case, I think sometimes the people who don't like 'heat complainers' can take it too far. Sometimes, if someone states that they don't like the heat, the heat-lovers take it as some kind of personal affront against their own preference. I run up against this a lot. It isn't. It's just expressing a preference of their own.  My saying I don't like the heat doesn't diminish your capacity to enjoy it, but it's often taken like we're trying to 'ruin it' for all the heat lovers by 'complaining'. Even the title of this thread - 'moaners' - implies that.

It's like the heat lovers are allowed to say how much they love it but those who don't like it aren't allowed to express that preference. That can get really annoying. There's nothing wrong or rude in saying "Actually, I really don't care for this".
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: camlan on July 15, 2013, 06:06:29 AM
I've been thinking about the opposite of this a lot, as I do every summer -- about how I feel it's *not* considered socially acceptable to complain about feeling uncomfortable or even ill in the heat in public, so I never do. 

[snip]

I think that, at least in most areas of the US, hot weather is something you are "supposed" to look forward to and agreeing about how nice it is is supposed to be a human bonding experience.  So, not being physically well-suited for it makes you an outcast.  People can be very judgmental about it. 

I've never noticed this with cold weather, though.  I don't think most people look down on those who can't handle cold temperatures well as being unfit or lazy for not wanting to participate in certain activities or be outdoors.

I think that complaining about being snowed in or how a heavy rain affects people's plans, etc., is a way for people to connect through small talk, and is looked upon as normal.


I agree. I dislike some summer weather, like the 100% humidity I woke up to this morning, and the 95 degrees predicted for today. It's going to be miserable. At least work has a/c, but I have one window unit at home. I will probably try to sleep in the living room, because sleep really didn't happen last night, not even with two fans running. 

 I love winter weather. It's crisp, it's cold, my brain wakes up from the heat-induced coma of summer. But if you burst into work with a song on your lips and "Boy, it's beautiful out today!" in 30 degree weather, people think there's something wrong with you.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: wyliefool on July 15, 2013, 07:59:05 AM
My favorite season is summer. Wait, I need to qualify that! My favorite season where I grew up and now live is summer. In the Pacific Northwest, summer is a really nice season, usually. Some warm days, some almost hot days, a few hot days and then it breaks and goes to rain or coolish days. Something for everyone.
 I did not like the Alabama summer when I was in Army basic training...although I feel it is fair to say that they said it was the hottest summer they had had in 100 years! (1969, in case you're wondering.)
I did not mind, most of the time, the summers I spent in NJ because I spent a lot of time in the pool, at the lake, or at the beach when I was off duty.

But I hated, hated, hated the 5 years of NY summers. I lived in Queens and you'd go out at midnight and you'd watch to heat just shimmering off of the buildings and sidewalks. Again, not so bad during the working part of the day because of AC. But in out apartment, I lived in the bedroom where our only AC was.
DH kept saying, "But you told me that summer was your favorite season!"  NO! I said my favorite season back home was summer! Not where the humidity is almost 100%!

Years ago, I read a cartoon. It showed devils in he-- and one of them was saying, "It's not the heat, it's the humidity!" I kept that cartoon until it was not legible!

Well, that qualifies as my moaning! >:D

I have a friend from Manila. As in, the tropics. He swears that NYC in summer is worse than Manila.

We used to have a cartoon up in the office here w/ the punch line that the hot people and the cold people were about to declare war on each other.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: z_squared82 on July 15, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
"It could be worse. It could be snowing."

Yes, I seriously say that to people. All year round.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: lowspark on July 15, 2013, 09:17:35 AM
As a rule, man's a fool
When it's hot he wants it cool
When it's cool he wants it hot
He always wants it what it's not


Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: SlitherHiss on July 15, 2013, 09:30:19 AM
I think ignoring (or hiding) this is your best bet for online interactions. I can't see any sort of snarky rejoinder or (worse) arguing with them over the weather doing anyone any good in that kind of setting :)

If someone is complaining ad nauseum in person, I think you'd be alright to say "Yeah, it's hot. Can we not dwell on it?" or even "Listen, I know you hate the weather we're having, but please stop bringing it up every 2 seconds. It's bringing everyone down."
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: artk2002 on July 15, 2013, 09:46:42 AM
"It could be worse. It could be snowing."

Which made me think of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFf0ysgNiM).
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: siamesecat2965 on July 16, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
I also hate the moaners. And I say this as the NE US is being enveloped in a heat wave, which won't break until the weekend, and one who is miserable in the heat. It makes me ill, and as someone who is hot when everyone else is comfortable, I'm doubly miserable. But, as long as my car has a/c that works, and my apt has a/c that works, I'm ok. I did whine a bit to my friend, who's house I'm staying at to watch her dogs, WHY did they have to choose the hottest week of hte summer to go away????? 

I much prefer the cold. It doesn't bother me, and when I am chilly, I can add layers. When its hot, i feel my body temp rise and am miserable.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: jaxsue on July 16, 2013, 11:16:34 AM
I do moan about this extreme heat because I have vertigo, and it is especially bad when it's hot/humid. When everything's spinning, it gets old fast.  :P OTOH, I like cool days. A winter day with temps in the 30? No problem!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: BeagleMommy on July 16, 2013, 03:18:13 PM
DH loves cold weather.  Loves it to the point where he gets excited to go walking in a blizzard.  I am loving this hot weather right now.  Can't explain it, but I love it.  We have AC so no problem in the house (ironically, I can't stand it if the house is too hot).

We always say we balance each other out.

As for the moaners?  Bean dip like crazy.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 16, 2013, 03:22:11 PM
Could someone clarify for me exactly what constitutes 'moaning'? Because calling someone a moaner for expressing a different opinion seems a little rude to me.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: ettiquit on July 16, 2013, 03:41:54 PM
Expressing a different opinion: "Oh, you like warm weather?  I prefer winter."

Moaner:  "I can't believe how cold it is!!  Why does it have to be soooo cold??  I hate winter!  Why can't it be sunny and 85 degrees every day?!!?!?"
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: jaxsue on July 16, 2013, 04:10:43 PM
Expressing a different opinion: "Oh, you like warm weather?  I prefer winter."

Moaner:  "I can't believe how cold it is!!  Why does it have to be soooo cold??  I hate winter!  Why can't it be sunny and 85 degrees every day?!!?!?"

Good example. I am more of the first, so probably not a weather moaner.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 16, 2013, 04:15:46 PM
I don't think the second example is rude, though. I don't see it as any different to "this hot weather is glorious! I sooooooooo love the sun! why can't it be 85 degrees all year round?"
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Thipu1 on July 16, 2013, 06:15:41 PM
Could someone clarify for me exactly what constitutes 'moaning'? Because calling someone a moaner for expressing a different opinion seems a little rude to me.

Expressing a different opinion and 'moaning' ( or whinging ) is often a matter of tone and repetition.

The person who says, 'I hate it when it gets this hot.' or 'I'm sick of this  snow' is expressing an opinion. 

A healthy person who is almost prostrated by the heat after walking two blocks in the shade while wearing a sun hat, waving a fan and  drinking iced tea is 'moaning'. 

The person expressing an opinion is simply commenting on discomfort produced by the weather.  The  'moaner' is like a puppy with a big, new bone and won't let it go.   

Granted, some people have medical conditions that become more uncomfortable with extremes of heat or cold. These folks have a legitimate gripe.  It's the ones who don't have a legitimate gripe but an exaggerated sense of drama who make us want to strangle them. 

We're all hot.  We're all sweaty.  We all want this heat to break but it isn't going to do so for a few days.  Just shut up about it, already!



Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Allyson on July 17, 2013, 02:20:58 AM
I don't think the second example is rude, though. I don't see it as any different to "this hot weather is glorious! I sooooooooo love the sun! why can't it be 85 degrees all year round?"

It's not *rude*, but it can be annoying to have to listen to repeated negativity. It's really a matter of degree--once in awhile, a good whine about the weather is fine, but when it's the same thing every day and multiple times a day, I kind of just want to yell 'we get it!' Same with complaints about anything, really.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: cabbageweevil on July 17, 2013, 03:10:43 AM
Weak humour department: long ago in the UK, there was a corny radio comedy series with a perpetually-complaining character called Mona Lott...
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: *inviteseller on July 17, 2013, 01:02:37 PM
Yesterday, we had some wicked afternoon thunderstorms (WTG news channel..giving us a warning 20 minutes after the storm,,and a neighbors house had been hit by lightening!)  We are under the heat dome, so sweltering is all we have been doing.  I remarked on FB how wonderful the breeze was as the storms were blowing in and how I couldn't wait for some rain and there had to be the one who complained about the weather, while everyone else was remarking about the intensity and how great it felt.  Those are the moaners that can't even enjoy a storm.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: *inviteseller on July 17, 2013, 01:08:38 PM
I just saw a YouTube video on The Talk..a woman complaining about the weather.  it is quite possibly the funniest thing I have seen in a long long time!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: jaxsue on July 17, 2013, 01:11:54 PM
Yesterday, we had some wicked afternoon thunderstorms (WTG news channel..giving us a warning 20 minutes after the storm,,and a neighbors house had been hit by lightening!)  We are under the heat dome, so sweltering is all we have been doing.  I remarked on FB how wonderful the breeze was as the storms were blowing in and how I couldn't wait for some rain and there had to be the one who complained about the weather, while everyone else was remarking about the intensity and how great it felt.  Those are the moaners that can't even enjoy a storm.

I love a summer storm that brings cooler breezes (unless I'm driving in it, which is no fun).
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: ladyknight1 on July 17, 2013, 06:03:32 PM
I work with a population of moaners. It's annoying. This is Florida, it is hot and humid half the year. This is the wet season, so it rains nearly every day.

I vote ignore, even if the moaner is complaining every day.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Hollanda on July 20, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
The heatwave is over for the minute and one of our neighbour moaners (who moans about the weather whatever it's doing) was this morning lamenting the end of the boiling heat. I smiled and said "It's coming back! " Last week she was talking about how she couldn't stand the heat lol.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: veronaz on July 20, 2013, 02:38:53 PM
I think it’s normal to make a comment about the weather.  If it’s bitterly cold, oppressively hot and humid, or even if it’s a gorgeous day ………someone saying something about it doesn’t bother me.  Sometimes it’s a way to start a conversation.  No biggie.

Just the other day a friend called and asked how I was doing.  I replied “Trying to stay cool.”  I see nothing wrong with that and I don’t see myself s a “seasonal moaner”.

I don’t care to hear weather complaints on a daily basis, but if someone is prone to doing that I just say “Yeah, it’s summer for sure!” and move on.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Hollanda on July 20, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
Ah you see people commenting when it's extremes bothers me not one whit  I hate the cold weather,  that's a fact. I love summer.  I understand people who love snow...really I do. When it snows I suck it up and deal. I sympathise with folks who also hate the cold. But oy, we're in the UK!

The people who confuse me are those who grumble when it's hot and grumble when it's cooler!! I know several people who do this (not friends, just people we know!). It just confounds me...do they want their own personal weather system?!!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Just Lori on July 20, 2013, 03:15:41 PM
I think it veers into rudeness when people question your sanity because you prefer a certain climate.  I'm a heat lover.  I can't tell you how often I head, "What is wrong with you?  This heat is awful!  This humidity is gross.  You must be crazy!"

I think if you're going to complain about the weather, you should own the discomfort.  Instead of "This cold weather is awful," say "The cold weather doesn't agree with me.  I'm looking forward to warmer temperatures." 
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 20, 2013, 03:18:52 PM
I think it veers into rudeness when people question your sanity because you prefer a certain climate.  I'm a heat lover.  I can't tell you how often I head, "What is wrong with you?  This heat is awful!  This humidity is gross.  You must be crazy!"
 

But how is that any different to "What's wrong with you? This heat is glorious! Are you crazy?"

One seems acceptable, the other doesn't.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Hollanda on July 20, 2013, 03:23:59 PM
It's all in the delivery.  Close friends, joking,  both parties know it? No problem there.

Someone you just met asking if you're crazy?  No. Rude.

A know your audience type thing!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Just Lori on July 20, 2013, 03:30:42 PM
I think it veers into rudeness when people question your sanity because you prefer a certain climate.  I'm a heat lover.  I can't tell you how often I head, "What is wrong with you?  This heat is awful!  This humidity is gross.  You must be crazy!"
 

But how is that any different to "What's wrong with you? This heat is glorious! Are you crazy?"

One seems acceptable, the other doesn't.

I believe both are unacceptable.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: kckgirl on July 20, 2013, 03:46:36 PM
I'm melting!
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: daen on July 20, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
I think it veers into rudeness when people question your sanity because you prefer a certain climate.  I'm a heat lover.  I can't tell you how often I head, "What is wrong with you?  This heat is awful!  This humidity is gross.  You must be crazy!"
 

But how is that any different to "What's wrong with you? This heat is glorious! Are you crazy?"

One seems acceptable, the other doesn't.

I believe both are unacceptable.

For me, the determining factor is negativity.  If someone is being negative (ie I hate this heat),  especially when it's an ongoing refrain within the conversation or over multiple conversations, I consider it moaning.

When someone  questions my sanity or tells me I'm wrong for my preferences, as in perpetua's example, I consider it rude.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: perpetua on July 20, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
I really dislike the notion that nobody is ever allowed to say anything negative about anything without being accused of moaning.

Often, those of us who don't like the heat are labelled moaners and get the "but it's glorious, are you crazy?" treatment simply for daring to dislike it. I find both of those just as rude.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: Hollanda on July 20, 2013, 04:11:45 PM
No...not so. A dislike of the weather doesn't constitute moaning necessarily.

This thread really is about those who moan whatever the weather is doing! The people who complain it's too hot and then in autumn it's too sunny for the time of year,  then winter is too snowy or rainy and spring is just too cold and arewe ever going to gget a summer?
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: daen on July 20, 2013, 04:13:09 PM
I think it veers into rudeness when people question your sanity because you prefer a certain climate.  I'm a heat lover.  I can't tell you how often I head, "What is wrong with you?  This heat is awful!  This humidity is gross.  You must be crazy!"
 

But how is that any different to "What's wrong with you? This heat is glorious! Are you crazy?"

One seems acceptable, the other doesn't.

I believe both are unacceptable.

For me, the determining factor is negativity.  If someone is being negative (ie I hate this heat),  especially when it's an ongoing refrain within the conversation or over multiple conversations, I consider it moaning.

When someone  questions my sanity or tells me I'm wrong for my preferences, as in perpetua's example, I consider it rude.
I really dislike the notion that nobody is ever allowed to say anything negative about anything without being accused of moaning.

Often, those of us who don't like the heat are labelled moaners and get the "but it's glorious, are you crazy?" treatment simply for daring to dislike it. I find both of those just as rude.

Wrote a lengthy response, which boiled down to:

You're right.  A negative statement is just that.
I should have said that moaning is (to me) conversationally dwelling on the negatives, to the exclusion of much or all else.

Or what Hollanda said.
Title: Re: Seasonal Moaners
Post by: ladyknight1 on July 22, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
People like to complain.

I don't have to listen to them.