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Title: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Green Bean on October 11, 2013, 07:21:44 PM
I picked up pizza tonight, and while paying noticed the spot where you can put a tip. I'm thinking this is just how their registers print out all receipts (delivery ir dine-in) and didn't tip. Was that acceptable or was a tip expected?
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Surianne on October 11, 2013, 07:28:54 PM
I've never tipped for carry out, since the waiters and delivery drivers (the people who normally get tipped) don't provide you with any service for carry out.  I might tip if someone really went above and beyond, but I can't think of a circumstance for that off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: flickan on October 11, 2013, 07:31:02 PM
I wondered this for a long time and I hate leaving that space blank even though carryout doesn't usually warrant a tip.

So what I do is,  I tip $2.

Here's $2 for having my food ready for me and for doing your job which is not making you any tips.  $15 worth of food?  You get $2.  $50 worth of food?  You get $2.

I know I'm starting to sound like the kid from Better Off Dead but bear with me.  It's a token that shows I appreciate them.  I just call it my "carryout tax".  We don't get carryout often enough for it to add but significantly so bonus all around.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Lynn2000 on October 11, 2013, 07:34:59 PM
I remember previous threads with this question, and some people pointed out how in some cases, someone at the restaurant bags the food correctly, includes all the napkins, utensils, sauces, etc., which I had never thought about before. It depends on the situation, of course, but now when I'm picking something up I think about that.

So, for example, when I pick up a single slice of pizza, and all someone has to do is walk over to the warming shelf and bring it to me (and ring up the transaction), I don't tip. But when I've ordered several things, and I see that some prep work has been done to make it quick and easy for me to carry it out, I usually drop something in the tip jar, even if it's just coins.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: MorgnsGrl on October 11, 2013, 07:38:20 PM
At the few local places where we get carry out, we almost always pay in cash, and there's a tip jar on the counter. We toss in a dollar + change, or maybe $2, most of the time, and if we don't have any singles or whatever one time, we round up the next time. It's usually a couple of pizzas or some subs and fries. If it were something a lot more complicated that included little packets of condiments, utensils, salad dressing, etc, we would probably tip more.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: betty on October 11, 2013, 07:39:38 PM
My thoughts on tipping:
1. Yes, that's just how the receipts print.

2. If it is a take-out only (or mainly) place, like pizza, tip is not necessary. If the people working there do something special for you, it would be nice to add a buck or two.

3. If you are picking up your order but it is a place where the server who put the take-out order together would normally be serving a table and receiving a tip, you should tip. (When I was a server, it took significant time to take and package the order. And the IRS expected me to report a certain percentage of my sales in tips, and the IRS didn't distinguish tables vs take-out.)

4. I know you didn't ask, but delivery? Tip. Even if the restaurant adds a delivery fee, chances are that the driver only gets a small part of it. Drivers generally pay for their own gas and wear and tear on their car, which adds up.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Sneezy on October 11, 2013, 07:40:49 PM
I'm not sure what I think about that. When I worked as a waitress, we were taxed on the food for a carryout the same as if they ordered in. Packing everything up was also a lot more effort than bringing a plate out to someone and refilling their drinks. No tip = I got to effectively pay for taking their order. A $100 order meant it was assumed my tip was $8 and my paycheck would reflect the tax on the $8 that I was assumed to have received.  Usually, that was made up for by the end of the day, but not always.

Other places handle carry outs separately or go under the manager's login, so it's not really that much of an impact other than packing up the food. Problem is, I have no way of knowing which case it is for any given place. I tip around 10% for carry out orders for good karma even though I'm not sure it's required, though.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: veronaz on October 11, 2013, 07:57:11 PM
OP, there is already a long thread about this:

http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=123920.0

(and FWIW, no, I don't tip on carryout.........only exception would be if the service is really good I might leave my change ($1-$2 plus coins) if there's a tip jar.)
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: RooRoo on October 11, 2013, 08:00:05 PM
Usually, I don't tip for carry out, but there's one exception:

DH is gluten-sensitive. We get carry-out Chinese about once a month; I request white sauce for his dishes.

Sometimes I forget. The front-desk guy doesn't. "White sauce for the General Chicken, right?"

Yes, I tip him!  ;D
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Surianne on October 11, 2013, 08:04:09 PM
Usually, I don't tip for carry out, but there's one exception:

DH is gluten-sensitive. We get carry-out Chinese about once a month; I request white sauce for his dishes.

Sometimes I forget. The front-desk guy doesn't. "White sauce for the General Chicken, right?"

Yes, I tip him!  ;D

Now there's a good example for someone deserving a tip!  That is great service    :D
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Raintree on October 12, 2013, 12:36:37 AM
someone at the restaurant bags the food correctly, includes all the napkins, utensils, sauces, etc.,

But every job requires some kind of job duty. When I was a cashier in a drugstore, I had to ring up the sales correctly, be polite and friendly to customers no matter how they treated me, put the items in a bag, etc etc. Nobody tipped me, nor did I expect them to. It was what I was hired to do. And while I realize that in some places, servers get less than minimum wage, that is not the case here and we still have to tip them.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: delabela on October 12, 2013, 02:01:57 AM
Yes, I tip on take away.  I live in a tipping culture, and the people who put together my order take time that could be given to in house tipping patrons.  Take away is a convenience for me, and I appreciate the servers that make it possible.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: CrazyDaffodilLady on October 12, 2013, 02:17:48 AM
A doughnut shop recently opened nearby, and I stopped there a couple of times on my way to work to buy doughnuts for my group.  After a couple of weeks, a tip jar appeared at the counter.  It’s a small place with one woman at the counter who puts doughnuts into boxes for you and rings up the charge.  I usually tip for takeout – and I guess this is technically takeout – but seriously???

I wasn’t even happy with the service.  I’d buy two dozen doughnuts and ask for, say, a mixed selection from the cake doughnut shelf.  She wouldn’t do it.  She stood there moonfaced unless I picked out every single doughnut. 
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: that_one_girl on October 12, 2013, 05:59:51 AM
The place I get my calzones normally cuts them in 4 peices, but I prefer mine cut only in two peices, so I always make a special request.   I check as I pick up the food and if they complied with my request, I tip them.   
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: camlan on October 12, 2013, 06:14:52 AM
For me, it depends on the type of restaurant. There's a great pizza place around the corner from me. I always pick up the pizza to save money on having to tip the delivery guy. While the pizza place has a few tables in there, rarely does anyone sit and eat inside--their business is mostly carry out or delivery. There is no waitstaff--if you eat in, the people working the counter will bring your food over to you. Since they mostly work the counter, they are not paid the below-the-minimum wage that servers are. They don't have a tip jar out. So I don't tip.

For mostly eat-in restaurants that offer take-out, it's harder to figure out what to do. Some give the people working carry-out a real wage, some keep them on server wages. How, exactly, is a customer supposed to know this? And I don't think it is fair to the servers. As a customer, my feeling is that carry-out is easier and therefore doesn't need a tip. And I'm getting a little tired of tip jars springing up *everywhere*. So I wouldn't tip take-out from a sit-down restaurant.

Fortunately for the waitstaff at those restaurants, I don't ever order take-out from them, so the issue never arises. But I don't think I'm alone in my thinking that take-out from a sit-down restaurant is easier for the staff than eating in--it wasn't until EHell that I learned differently. I blame the management for not making this clear to the customers.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: veronaz on October 12, 2013, 09:24:22 AM
someone at the restaurant bags the food correctly, includes all the napkins, utensils, sauces, etc.,

But every job requires some kind of job duty. When I was a cashier in a drugstore, I had to ring up the sales correctly, be polite and friendly to customers no matter how they treated me, put the items in a bag, etc etc. Nobody tipped me, nor did I expect them to. It was what I was hired to do. And while I realize that in some places, servers get less than minimum wage, that is not the case here and we still have to tip them.

Exactly…..it’s the job they were hired to do.  Tipping someone for bagging things correctly and including napkins, utensils, and condiments?  Um, no.

And no, we don’t have to tip them.  As far as their wages, customers don’t establish worker wages.  Maybe owners/management should consider paying their workers more.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: MrTango on October 12, 2013, 09:46:23 AM
The tip is for the server or delivery driver.  I've never tipped for carry-out.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Roe on October 12, 2013, 09:59:25 AM
No tip for carry-out. And yes, I always feel like a greedy jerk when I cross out that space.  But hey, it's not a service I feel I should tip for.  I'm picking it up. Yes, they packed it for me but that's what they are supposed to do.  That's their job.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: shhh its me on October 12, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
  IT depends on the place for the delivery/carry out only type places I dont tip.  At sit-down restaurants I normally tip(but normally around $2 because they are providing a lot less service )  unless its a 10 second reach into cooler type thing  then I may not tip.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: JeanFromBNA on October 12, 2013, 07:58:07 PM
I tip 10% for take out.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Lynn2000 on October 13, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
someone at the restaurant bags the food correctly, includes all the napkins, utensils, sauces, etc.,

But every job requires some kind of job duty. When I was a cashier in a drugstore, I had to ring up the sales correctly, be polite and friendly to customers no matter how they treated me, put the items in a bag, etc etc. Nobody tipped me, nor did I expect them to. It was what I was hired to do. And while I realize that in some places, servers get less than minimum wage, that is not the case here and we still have to tip them.

In a sense, I agree with this. To my mind, it's the job of the servers to serve food in a pleasant and professional manner. If one does so, why should they be tipped? Tipping should be saved for something extraordinary. At least, that's one way to think of it, and if I followed that, I would almost never tip, and in my culture I would then be in the minority, and people might even feel I was being rude. I think this is one reason why tipping threads can become so heated--on the one hand people say, "We shouldn't have to tip people for doing their jobs," and on the other hand people say, "But they don't actually get paid fully by the restaurant for doing their jobs, it's assumed customers will tip them." And of course the payment structure varies significantly by the restaurant, industry, and even geographic location within the same country, let alone other countries.

I think, if there is a general culture of tipping, but you aren't sure about a specific instance, giving a small tip would err on the side of caution, especially in the moment. In a larger sense, it helps me to think about what duties I would be tipping for, if I tipped.

For example, one casual restaurant I go to has a tip jar on the counter. You order at the counter, pick your food up at the counter, and clear your own table at the end (though it's not fast food like McDonald's). I thought, what extra labor, besides taking my order and making it correctly, and general cleaning and maintenance of the restaurant, are the employees doing for me, that I should tip them? (Asked seriously, not in a snarky way.) I couldn't think of any, so I've decided not to tip when I eat there. (Besides which, the tip would occur almost before they'd done anything for me at all--so how would I even know if the service was worth it?)

Previously, I never tipped on carry-out because I didn't think much work went into it, but those here who've worked in food service described some work that can occur in some instances, which I'd never thought about. Now, I usually tip a small amount for carry-out (unless as I said it's just one small item). That's just what I choose to do, because I prefer to err on the side of caution, and I have neither the resources nor the interest to figure out the payment structure of each restaurant I eat at so I could tailor my response to each. Other people have different ways of doing things--to me that's the issue at the heart of tipping, because it's almost entirely voluntary (except for "parties of 10 or more will be automatically charged 20% gratuity" and other such restaurant policies). Personally I think it's interesting to know what thought processes other people go through when making their decisions. :)
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on October 13, 2013, 04:27:20 PM
On the very rare occasion I get take out, I usually round to the nearest dollar amount and add $1.  If I've ordered something that has some artistry in the display, like some of the sushi trays I've ordered out, I might increase the tip by another dollar or two.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: veronaz on October 13, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
Question for those who DO tip take out:

Do you also tip at fast food counters and drive thrus (McDonalds, Wendys, etc.)?
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: CrazyDaffodilLady on October 13, 2013, 05:05:07 PM
Question for those who DO tip take out:

Do you also tip at fast food counters and drive thrus (McDonalds, Wendys, etc.)?
No, but I feel obligated to tip at the Starbuck's drive-through and at Sonic (I hardly ever go there because it ticks me off so badly to have to tip someone who carried my food 20 feet).

I hate the whole tipping system.  It must be very beneficial to the restaurant business; otherwise some places would implement a "no tipping" policy, which I think would please customers, even if the food cost 20% more because of it. 
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Lynn2000 on October 13, 2013, 05:38:28 PM
Question for those who DO tip take out:

Do you also tip at fast food counters and drive thrus (McDonalds, Wendys, etc.)?

No. They don't seem to have a tipping culture, as far as I've noticed--I don't think I've ever seen a tip jar on their counters, for example.

As CrazyDaffodilLady mentions, though, coffee shops seem to be a bit different, in terms of having a tipping culture. If I'm getting a "fancy drink" at a coffee shop (walk in) I usually drop some coins into the tip jar, like the change from the cash I've paid with. On the Starbucks drive-thru I'm not generally the one either driving or paying; I don't think anyone I've been with has ever tipped in that situation, though I've seen a tip jar sitting there on the shelf.

If the point is, how are their duties different from getting carryout at a pizza place, I agree that it's all become rather a muddle. I do find tipping to be very illogically applied--it kind of boggles my mind that it would be part of one's business plan (the restaurant manager's) to count on 100% voluntary donations in variable amounts from customers who are already paying for the main service. But, that's the way the society has developed. And, the tip jars that pop up in all kinds of places--I think I saw one on the counter at a local grocery store the other day--only muddy the situation further. I certainly don't blame anyone for being confused about when it's "generally accepted" to tip--even threads on eHell show such a wide range of opinions on the subject.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: delabela on October 13, 2013, 06:20:32 PM
Question for those who DO tip take out:

Do you also tip at fast food counters and drive thrus (McDonalds, Wendys, etc.)?

No.  Those places are arranged to provide carry out food, and people are not using time that would otherwise go to tipping customers for my order.  The restaurants I usually get takeaway from tend to be local places where there is no staff dedicated to takeaway customers only.  It truly is an extra service that is provided only for my convenience, and I want to encourage them to keep offering it. 
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: flickan on October 13, 2013, 07:02:11 PM
Question for those who DO tip take out:

Do you also tip at fast food counters and drive thrus (McDonalds, Wendys, etc.)?

No.  Mostly because it's not asked of me and is in fact not allowed.

As for tipping the barista, I almost never do this.  The most the coffee shop gets is my change after I pay in cash.  I don't think of it as the same as tipping bartenders.  And I've never examined why, if I'm perfectly honest.  It's just not something I'm in the habit of doing.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Raintree on October 14, 2013, 12:58:03 AM
Question for those who DO tip take out:

Do you also tip at fast food counters and drive thrus (McDonalds, Wendys, etc.)?

No.  Those places are arranged to provide carry out food, and people are not using time that would otherwise go to tipping customers for my order.  The restaurants I usually get takeaway from tend to be local places where there is no staff dedicated to takeaway customers only.  It truly is an extra service that is provided only for my convenience, and I want to encourage them to keep offering it.

I really don't think they will stop offering it. The restaurant is not offering you a favour out of the goodness of their hearts; you are giving them business. They want you to order food, and you are a paying customer.  No business in their right mind would turn you away and the staff don't get to decide it's too much hassle either.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Arila on October 14, 2013, 01:54:35 AM
For me it depends on the level of effort. Did I make an order for 6 people, multiple items, extra sauce etc? It's almost as much work getting that all together and packaged up and bagged so it doesn't spill in my car as serving me at the table, and the person doing it is usually a waitress (ie: living on tips). So, I tip a couple of bucks up to 10%, because they took and delivered one order (as opposed to drinks, appetizers, mains, desserts etc)
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: Outdoor Girl on October 14, 2013, 10:00:29 AM
I don't tip at fast food - the restaurant is set up for takeout - even if you eat in the restaurant, it is essentially takeout.  I only tip, slightly, if it is a normal, sit down restaurant.

I don't tip at the coffee shop because I don't go to shops that make fancy coffees.  If I did and got something fancy that took a fair amount of work to assemble, I'd leave at least my change.  If I was a regular and they remembered my order, I'd tip more.
Title: Re: Am I supposed to tip for carry out?
Post by: whiskeytangofoxtrot on October 14, 2013, 11:53:35 AM
I generally don't tip for carry-out, although the tip jar at the register isn't a bad idea, and I might drop the spare change in if the food was prompt and the cashier had a good attitude. Delivery, yes, and I think we've earned a decent rep for that from the nearby Chinese and pizza places we patronize occasionally, because the food is almost always there sooner than they promise.