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Title: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Bashful on October 19, 2013, 08:55:14 AM
In the work board there is a thread about toilet habits in workplace and it came out that the toilet habits may vary a lot. Well, at least I was surprised :)
Specifically, some people think it is OK to leave skidmarks into the bowl while others believe that scrubbing the bowl is just part of the toilet use.
I live in South Europe and here the consensus is that you scrub away your own skidmarks and it is not some kind of household chore (like cleaning the toilet with sanitizer or mopping the floor). Since toilets are low flow, if you don't brush the toilet it will likely stay dirty and flushing isn't enough. In private houses there are always toilet scrubs, although in public/restaurant toilets sometimes there aren't.
We have also a small device that allows to calibrate your flush: small flush for #1 and big flush for #2.
So, E-hellions from all over the world, where are you from and what are your toilet habits?
If someone is grossed out I apologize, I'm just very curious.

Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: menley on October 19, 2013, 10:16:47 AM
I'm originally from Texas, and I've never cleaned up after myself in a public restroom (other than the obvious flushing and making sure the seat is clean afterwards). Public restrooms also generally don't have toilet brushes handy, so there wouldn't be any way to clean up afterwards.

If I was in a friend's home, and there was a toilet brush available, I'd use it if necessary but haven't had that situation happen yet  ;D

I live in central/Eastern Europe now and we have the same style toilets the OP described, with 2 types of flushes. I've never experienced a problem with those. I also haven't noticed toilet brushes in any public restrooms, but all homes seem to have the brushes mounted to the wall.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Outdoor Girl on October 19, 2013, 10:29:43 AM
I've never been in a public/work restroom that had a toilet brush available so no, I've never cleaned any skid marks.  I have cleaned them in friends' homes, even if I had to ask for a brush.

I hate the design of some of the low flow toilets.  They seem to encourage skid marks because of the shape of the bowl and the water level.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Sharnita on October 19, 2013, 11:15:26 AM
Toilet brushes are not generally availabe. Cleaning products are likely locked up somewhere.

As far as low flow toilets, it seems like some of them requie two ot three flushes, thus negating water savings.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: AmethystAnne on October 19, 2013, 11:56:53 AM
At home, I'm the toilet bowl cleaner.

At work in the school food service area, we all have access to cleaning supplies to take care of our own skid marks.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: cicero on October 19, 2013, 12:20:08 PM
i live in israel.

In private homes, most people keep the brush (and often a bottle of cleaner) next to the toilet. Most bathrooms here also have that dual flush option (I actually think it is a law here but I could be wrong). I have used a brush in someone else's home on occasion when needed. If others leave skid marks in *my* home toilet, i would just clean it (I clean the toilet after i have guests anyway).

In offices/public restrooms - i have rarely seen a brush or cleaner and i have never thought it is an expectation that the user will clean up after themselves. (I wish that people would actually FLUSH the toilet but I guess that is a whole different thread...) The thread that the OP mentioned was an eye opener to me.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: cwm on October 21, 2013, 11:20:33 AM
In public, in the US where I've lived and traveled, I've never seen cleaning supplies. I think part of that is it's the company's job to keep the toilets clean. Whether or not they do a decent job of it is beside the point.

At the houses I've been to, often the cleaning supplies are hidden under the sink or in some other not obvious place. And I'm not about to go digging around someone's bathroom to clean up after myself, nor am I willing to walk out and ask the homeowner where their toilet cleaning supplies are. If I make a mess, I'll try to clean it up by repeat flushing, and I've only ever once had that fail.

I have seen the dual option flushing toilet before, at a friend's house. It's really neat and I'd love to see it implemented more, but most people that I know have never heard of it.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Teenyweeny on October 21, 2013, 12:03:28 PM
I have to say, If I've left a mess, I wipe it up with a bit of loo roll. I'm about to wash my hands anyway, and I've just used my hands+loo paper to wipe excrement from somewhere else, so I don't think that wiping it off a toilet bowl is really any dirtier (especially since my actual hand hopefully never touches anything bad anyway).

Leaving a skiddy toilet is gross and disrespectful to the person who has to clean it, especially when you consider the wages that most cleaners get. Minimum wage is not enough to deal with a stranger's poo, IMO.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: cwm on October 21, 2013, 01:18:07 PM
I have to say, If I've left a mess, I wipe it up with a bit of loo roll. I'm about to wash my hands anyway, and I've just used my hands+loo paper to wipe excrement from somewhere else, so I don't think that wiping it off a toilet bowl is really any dirtier (especially since my actual hand hopefully never touches anything bad anyway).

Leaving a skiddy toilet is gross and disrespectful to the person who has to clean it, especially when you consider the wages that most cleaners get. Minimum wage is not enough to deal with a stranger's poo, IMO.

TMI ahead, but it seems that this thread is probably full of it. Usually when I leave anything behind, it's below the water level, in which case I'm not going to stick my hand down there. Yes, I realize it's clean water and yes, I realize I'm going to wash my hands anyway, but I'd rather not drip my way out to the sink.

I've been the person who cleans the toilets before. One of my jobs in college, I was regularly the only female available to clean the restrooms. The only other one actually had a medical reason she couldn't. I know how disgusting it is to clean that all up, and from what I've heard trading stories with co-workers, the men's was so much worse. But minimum wage or not, it's part of the job. I'm not saying it's okay to leave a huge mess, but if there's a bit of a mark in the bowl, I wouldn't consider that necessarily disrespectful to the person having to clean it. Messes happen, it's a part of life.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: EllenS on October 21, 2013, 01:33:58 PM
I have never seen a brush in a public toilet, except maybe a very nasty gas-station where it was obviously never used anyway.

If there is a mark, I will usually flush twice.  I wouldn't stick my hand in the bowl.

I think looking into public toilets is like eavesdropping on people - you're not going to see (hear) anything good.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: katycoo on October 21, 2013, 07:59:47 PM
Most public toilets do not have brushes in Australia.  My workplace ones don't, or at least not all of them do.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: OSUJillyBean on October 22, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
I'm from the US and there are never cleaning supplies in public toilets.  Work environments are either cleaned by a janitorial staff after-hours (when I've worked in office settings) or cleaned by the staff that uses them.  Generally the janitorial staff is much better about keeping things clean as many people refuse to clean the bowl even if it's their turn. 

At someone's home, most people I know try to refrain from going #2 if possible, and being discreet if it's not possible.  It isn't discussed but seems to be some kind of unspoken rule that you should only poop at home. 

Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Pen^2 on October 22, 2013, 01:31:47 PM
In Australia, I've never seen a public toilet with a toilet brush or cleaning supplies that are accessible nearby. So although one should always leave anything that they don't own in as near to it's original condition as possible after using it, this isn't always possible with a public toilet. I'll always use toilet paper to make it clean enough for the next person to be able to use (using a big wad to mop up anything on the toilet seat or floor, for instance), but I'm not cleaning inside the bowl beyond flushing it an extra time, because it's not hygienically possible to do so with just toilet paper on hand.

That said, I've been in more public toilets than I care to count where other people have not been of this mindset. "Woops! I urinated all over the floor and wall, creating a huge moat around the loo! Oh well!" and every subsequent sod has to wade through it. Revolting. Combine this with the fact that many are only cleaned once a week, and it's horrendous.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: EllenS on October 22, 2013, 01:36:22 PM
At someone's home, most people I know try to refrain from going #2 if possible, and being discreet if it's not possible.  It isn't discussed but seems to be some kind of unspoken rule that you should only poop at home.

???????? I understand not making noise or mentioning it in conversation, and freshening the air if needed, but I'm not even sure how this is biologically possible without making yourself ill.

I don't think this is a mainstream expectation outside of your circle. 
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: cabbagegirl28 on October 22, 2013, 01:42:44 PM
It's not a common expectation in the circles I run in, either.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Pen^2 on October 22, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
At someone's home, most people I know try to refrain from going #2 if possible, and being discreet if it's not possible.  It isn't discussed but seems to be some kind of unspoken rule that you should only poop at home.

???????? I understand not making noise or mentioning it in conversation, and freshening the air if needed, but I'm not even sure how this is biologically possible without making yourself ill.

I don't think this is a mainstream expectation outside of your circle.

Yeah, if this was a rule I tried to live by, then I'd never be able to leave the house. For me, at least, it isn't biologically possible. I don't think this is a standard rule.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Judah on October 22, 2013, 01:53:35 PM
At someone's home, most people I know try to refrain from going #2 if possible, and being discreet if it's not possible.  It isn't discussed but seems to be some kind of unspoken rule that you should only poop at home.

???????? I understand not making noise or mentioning it in conversation, and freshening the air if needed, but I'm not even sure how this is biologically possible without making yourself ill.

I don't think this is a mainstream expectation outside of your circle.

It's a completely unrealistic expectation, imo. 
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: cwm on October 22, 2013, 01:56:28 PM
At someone's home, most people I know try to refrain from going #2 if possible, and being discreet if it's not possible.  It isn't discussed but seems to be some kind of unspoken rule that you should only poop at home.

???????? I understand not making noise or mentioning it in conversation, and freshening the air if needed, but I'm not even sure how this is biologically possible without making yourself ill.

I don't think this is a mainstream expectation outside of your circle.

Yeah, if this was a rule I tried to live by, then I'd never be able to leave the house. For me, at least, it isn't biologically possible. I don't think this is a standard rule.

Sis has an honest phobia of going poo in a public place. Or even in the comfort of her own home, if someone else is there. She's never made herself ill, and has generally avoided the situation.

I don't think it's a standard rule, but my point is that it can be done. She's been like this most of her adult life and only had emergencies maybe three or four times.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Sharnita on October 22, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
I don't think it is an expectation you have of others but more one has for themselves. They just aren't.comfortable relaxing that much anywhere but at home.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Pen^2 on October 22, 2013, 02:20:30 PM
I don't think it is an expectation you have of others but more one has for themselves. They just aren't.comfortable relaxing that much anywhere but at home.

Yeah--a lot more people than you might expect can't use the restroom for either bodily function away from their home and maybe one or two other comfortable places. It's surprisingly common. In the UK, it's accepted as a reason not to do jury duty. It's not a refusal thing: some people just can't 'go' in a lot of places. I don't envy people who have this. It doesn't sound fun at all.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: EllenS on October 22, 2013, 02:42:00 PM
I don't think it is an expectation you have of others but more one has for themselves. They just aren't.comfortable relaxing that much anywhere but at home.

Yeah--a lot more people than you might expect can't use the restroom for either bodily function away from their home and maybe one or two other comfortable places. It's surprisingly common. In the UK, it's accepted as a reason not to do jury duty. It's not a refusal thing: some people just can't 'go' in a lot of places. I don't envy people who have this. It doesn't sound fun at all.

That is a serious disruption to someone's life, and I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with that.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Sharnita on October 22, 2013, 02:49:42 PM
Actually, I think people tend to fall into a schedule (think the term "daily constitutional") and so it is not a problem for their daily lives. Bashful bladder is more problematic.

There is an episode of Big Bang Theory that includes a flashback of Sheldon interviewing Leonard as a potential roommate and asking about his daily schedule.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Yvaine on October 22, 2013, 03:01:04 PM
Actually, I think people tend to fall into a schedule (think the term "daily constitutional") and so it is not a problem for their daily lives. Bashful bladder is more problematic.

There is an episode of Big Bang Theory that includes a flashback of Sheldon interviewing Leonard as a potential roommate and asking about his daily schedule.

I always thought the "daily constitutional" meant a walk, but I do think it's not unusual to get into a schedule for that too.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: nuit93 on October 22, 2013, 05:30:14 PM
At someone's home, most people I know try to refrain from going #2 if possible, and being discreet if it's not possible.  It isn't discussed but seems to be some kind of unspoken rule that you should only poop at home.

???????? I understand not making noise or mentioning it in conversation, and freshening the air if needed, but I'm not even sure how this is biologically possible without making yourself ill.

I don't think this is a mainstream expectation outside of your circle.

I've known people who will do everything possible to avoid a #2 at work.  I don't know why...it's what bathrooms were designed for!
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Optimoose Prime on October 22, 2013, 10:54:18 PM
Ok, TMI all the way here:



I have intermittent diarrhea.  When it comes upon me, I have to go and go right now.  I can hold it off for a little while but not for very long.  So much that one time I had to stop on the way home and use the public restroom in the library.  For those that can hold it, more power to you.  I am not that person.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: TinyVulgarUnicorn on October 23, 2013, 11:39:01 AM
I don't think it is an expectation you have of others but more one has for themselves. They just aren't.comfortable relaxing that much anywhere but at home.

Yeah--a lot more people than you might expect can't use the restroom for either bodily function away from their home and maybe one or two other comfortable places. It's surprisingly common. In the UK, it's accepted as a reason not to do ju

ry duty. It's not a refusal thing: some people just can't 'go' in a lot of places. I don't envy people who have this. It doesn't sound fun at all.


That is a serious disruption to someone's life, and I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with that.

I unfortunately have this phobia and it can be excruciatingly painful and embarrassing.  I can only go #2 at work unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary and then only if no one else is in the bathroom.  It's not a hygiene thing, for me it's the embarrassment attached to the act.  :/
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: EMuir on October 23, 2013, 11:50:02 AM

I've known people who will do everything possible to avoid a #2 at work.  I don't know why...it's what bathrooms were designed for!

I wondered too, until the women on the same floor as me (different department completely) complained to my manager that they thought I was spending too much time in the bathroom.  I wasn't spending that long, but longer than it took to just pee.  My manager did talk to me in so far as he rolled his eyes and told me he informed their manager that perhaps they needed to be kept busier if they had time to monitor his staff.   I believe that the real issue was that they objected to me going #2 at work.  I never did smell any evidence of anyone else doing that in that bathroom... until a new lady was hired in their department who obviously didn't know this unwritten rule and would go #2 as well.  I thought of her as my "poop solidarity sister" LOL.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Venus193 on October 23, 2013, 11:53:10 AM
Public restrooms in the US don't typically have brushes and cleanser handy.  I dearly wish that Starbucks would have a sign reminding people to flush, though.  It's one thing to refrain from flushing at home after #1, but this practice doesn't fly in public places used by others.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Sharnita on October 23, 2013, 12:33:42 PM
I was recently in a public restroom where there was a sign explaining you had to hold the lever down instead of just pushing and releasing in order to get a complete flush. I can see somebody using those toilets and not realizing their flush didn't "take". I think there are also some pele so used to automated public toilets they don't pick up on those that don't self-flush.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: cwm on October 23, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
I was recently in a public restroom where there was a sign explaining you had to hold the lever down instead of just pushing and releasing in order to get a complete flush. I can see somebody using those toilets and not realizing their flush didn't "take". I think there are also some pele so used to automated public toilets they don't pick up on those that don't self-flush.

I'm the opposite. Self-flushes don't always pick up on me for some reason, which makes me stand there and stare at the thing until I figure out where the manual flush button is hiding. Or it'll flush when I'm not quite done yet, and won't do it again after I'm done, cue the same stand and stare.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Pen^2 on October 23, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
I was recently in a public restroom where there was a sign explaining you had to hold the lever down instead of just pushing and releasing in order to get a complete flush. I can see somebody using those toilets and not realizing their flush didn't "take". I think there are also some pele so used to automated public toilets they don't pick up on those that don't self-flush.

I'm the opposite. Self-flushes don't always pick up on me for some reason, which makes me stand there and stare at the thing until I figure out where the manual flush button is hiding. Or it'll flush when I'm not quite done yet, and won't do it again after I'm done, cue the same stand and stare.

I'm the same. They'll fairly consistently flush as I'm sitting down (spraying me with toilet water, thanks) but never when I actually need it to flush. The best I've seen was one where you wave your hand (no touching) over a black panel on the wall and then it would flush. Much better. Woman have cabooses of all shapes and sizes, and apparently some aren't compatible with auto-flush detectors.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Venus193 on October 23, 2013, 03:55:45 PM
I did send an e-mail to Starbucks about the sign.  Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: EMuir on October 23, 2013, 03:59:43 PM
Addressing the "skidmark" issue itself, I would not want there to be a toilet brush in a public bathroom.  I just watched a special on TV showing how some hotel maids will clean a toilet bowl with the brush, then swipe it over the seat.  I'd rather not risk the cleaning knowledge of the public as well!  That skid mark under the water won't hurt me, but feces on the seat might.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Sneezy on October 23, 2013, 10:09:57 PM
The bathrooms in the office building where I work never have skid marks. I don't know if the inside is coated with something resistant, but the flush itself is something between Niagara Falls and a pressure washer.

We had an employee a few years back who demanded that I, as the person designated as acting HR person at that location, do something about ladies being unladylike in the restroom. I told her in no uncertain terms that pooping was a normal human function and that not everyone can hold it for the 8-12 hours a day that most people work. Not to mention, we only rented about 10% of the space in that building and I wasn't about to go around demanding that no one else poop. That led to a nasty battle with her buying and demanding everyone use Lysol spray in the stalls so not to offend her. Hello, asthma attacks and chemical sensitivity issues because someone can't handle the smell of poop in a well ventilated bathroom where the smell would dissipate in ten minutes or less for the worst of incidents! 
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: nuit93 on October 23, 2013, 11:04:29 PM
The bathrooms in the office building where I work never have skid marks. I don't know if the inside is coated with something resistant, but the flush itself is something between Niagara Falls and a pressure washer.

We had an employee a few years back who demanded that I, as the person designated as acting HR person at that location, do something about ladies being unladylike in the restroom. I told her in no uncertain terms that pooping was a normal human function and that not everyone can hold it for the 8-12 hours a day that most people work. Not to mention, we only rented about 10% of the space in that building and I wasn't about to go around demanding that no one else poop. That led to a nasty battle with her buying and demanding everyone use Lysol spray in the stalls so not to offend her. Hello, asthma attacks and chemical sensitivity issues because someone can't handle the smell of poop in a well ventilated bathroom where the smell would dissipate in ten minutes or less for the worst of incidents!

 :o Does she not realize that ladies poop too?
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Venus193 on October 24, 2013, 06:12:53 AM
Oh, good grief!  I would pay to see her face when her doctor talks about a colonoscopy.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: baglady on October 28, 2013, 04:34:55 AM
I'm in the U.S. and the idea of cleaning the toilet I'd just used in a public bathroom would never occur to me unless I'd left something *on the seat*, in which case I'd use toilet paper to wipe off the damage. Most public toilets don't have cleaning supplies at the ready, and those that do (say, in a gas station or convenience store) it's assumed they are there for the staff to use.

Given a choice between a bathroom stall that had some skidmarks below the water level and one that didn't, I'd choose the latter. But that sort of skidmark can be done away with by an extra flush or two, especially in a high-traffic public restroom with killer water pressure. Heck, even my home toilet is pretty efficient at flushing away most of them.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: perpetua on October 28, 2013, 04:45:18 AM
Having done a bit of research (things I never thought I'd search for on the internet!) I can absolutely see where the disparity on this subject is coming from here between the non-US and US posters. US toilets seem to have *far* more water in them than ours do, hence why people keep referring to marks 'under the water level'. I was really surprised to see how high the water level is. Ours maybe have a couple of inches in the bottom and also the bowl is a different shape. I don't want to speak for everyone, but I'd bet a lot of non-US posters are talking about marks *above* the water level, ie on the sides of the bowl. They often won't be removed by flushing alone, and they can look really gross if they're left for the next person.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Bashful on October 28, 2013, 06:50:33 AM
I don't want to speak for everyone, but I'd bet a lot of non-US posters are talking about marks *above* the water level, ie on the sides of the bowl. They often won't be removed by flushing alone, and they can look really gross if they're left for the next person.
This. As a non-US poster, I was talking of marks above the water level.
And the toilet scrub is a part of the bathroom furniture just as tp holder, towel rack or soap dispenser. It can be even pretty!
http://www.awhiteroom.com/normann-copenhagen/normann-copenhagen-ballo-toilet-brush.asp
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: perpetua on October 28, 2013, 08:24:56 AM

This. As a non-US poster, I was talking of marks above the water level.


Yep. That's what I've always been referring to, because that's where they tend to happen in our loos. I really (personally) think it's bad when people don't clean this up after themselves. I wouldn't even want to use a loo that had marks left on the bowl above the water. For one thing there isn't the physical barrier of the water bewteen you and the... residue. Perhaps that's explaining the difference in culture around this. The water level and shape of the bowl in all the pictures of US loos i've seen would seem to make it really difficult for anything to even get on the side of the bowl in the first place.

For comparison, here's a picture of a typical UK loo:

(http://www.bathroomtilesuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Toilet-Bowl.jpg)

The sides of the bowl are steep and narrow and there's only water in the very small bit at the bottom, whereas the US ones I've seen pictures of seem to be far flatter, not as deep before you get to the water, and with a much higher water level.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Sophia on October 28, 2013, 08:48:03 AM
Not only would I not expect to have to use a brush after I use the toilet, I am a bit grossed out by the thought that others in the same bathroom might have.
 
I think the difference is that here (Texas), if the toilet doesn't have enough water to avoid skidmarks, it is deficient.  Think about it.  If you use a brush to clean skidmarks, then there is poop on the brush.  Which you then set aside.  With poop on it.  Then what?  It sits there next to the toilet.  Until you replace it.  Does anyone spend any time really cleaning the toilet brush?  Which is a gross thought in itself. 

I would rather the toilet have enough water to take care of the skidmarks, and leave the toilet brush for sanitizing. 
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Teenyweeny on October 28, 2013, 08:57:04 AM
Not only would I not expect to have to use a brush after I use the toilet, I am a bit grossed out by the thought that others in the same bathroom might have.
 
I think the difference is that here (Texas), if the toilet doesn't have enough water to avoid skidmarks, it is deficient.  Think about it.  If you use a brush to clean skidmarks, then there is poop on the brush.  Which you then set aside.  With poop on it.  Then what?  It sits there next to the toilet.  Until you replace it.  Does anyone spend any time really cleaning the toilet brush?  Which is a gross thought in itself. 

I would rather the toilet have enough water to take care of the skidmarks, and leave the toilet brush for sanitizing.

This explains so much! I have always thought toilet brushes were gross, but I suppose it's for exactly this reason. As I said before, I use a good handful of loo roll to wipe off marks, and because I'm in the UK those marks are on the bowl but above the waterline.

I'm using loo roll to wipe poo off a surface. It's not objectively any dirtier than wiping it from a more 'personal' surface. Hands are getting throughly washed anyway.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: alkira6 on October 28, 2013, 09:02:58 AM
Um, I always put down a layer of "cushion" paper in the toilet before I go if I go in public. I am of the opinion that toilets are to be used for their primary function but marks are not nice.

At home I have the eco-unfriendly scrubber with the disposable head - grab the handle, push it into the little loading shoot, a head snaps on already loaded with cleaner, you clean, put it over the trash can, push a button and the head snaps off into the can.  You never touch anything.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: fountainof on October 29, 2013, 03:04:30 PM
In public washrooms here most toilets have more water in them than home toilets so skidmarks are less an issue.  I would probably try to second flush and that is it.

In a home toilet, I would wipe with paper and second flush.  I would even get my hand wet and then wash my hands before leaving a mark. Our low flow toilets at home work pretty well, even though the water level is low the swish of the water is pretty forceful and unless the toilet is left full for hours the swish washes most everything off pretty well.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: MrsJWine on October 29, 2013, 03:15:31 PM
I'm kind of grossed out by the idea of who knows how many people wiping out the toilet with the scrubber and then putting it back in the holder. When I clean my bathroom, I rinse the brush out in hot water, then don't put it back in the holder until it's dry.
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Yvaine on October 29, 2013, 05:27:03 PM
In public washrooms here most toilets have more water in them than home toilets so skidmarks are less an issue.  I would probably try to second flush and that is it.

In a home toilet, I would wipe with paper and second flush.  I would even get my hand wet and then wash my hands before leaving a mark. Our low flow toilets at home work pretty well, even though the water level is low the swish of the water is pretty forceful and unless the toilet is left full for hours the swish washes most everything off pretty well.

Also, some public toilets have a swish that might qualify as a minor tsunami, which I imagine also helps.  ;D
Title: Re: Toilet and cleaning after yourself
Post by: Miss Tickle on October 29, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
Jezebel had a great article a while back covering bathroom etiquette, which boiled down to "Leave the bathroom the way you found it".

I think there's a difference between a public, private and shared bathroom.

In a public washroom the facilities are managed by paid staff that hopefully check the room regularly and clean up any messes. No or very little cleaning supplies are available to the average user.

In a private washroom, the facilities are maintained by yourself or your hosts. I'd be mortified to leave a mark behind in my host's toilet and would use whatever was available to clean it up. Likewise, if a guest left a "surprise" for me I'd probably think twice before inviting extra work again.

In a shared washroom, such as an office or a roommate situation, I think people should behave as much like it was a "hosted" washroom as possible. Keep all traces to a minimum at all times. There should be supplies to clean up if needed. Each stall in our shared ladies at work has a toilet brush. That's so you don't have to leave the stall to clean up the low-flow toilet if necessary. I usually give the seat a good wipe and drop the tp in the bowl before starting, ounce of prevention and all that. "If you know you have to go, grab a sheet and lay a row." Or something. I think that was for "unladylike noises".

Another thing the article touched on was little bits of tp on the floor. Not only is it gross to litter, small, white, slippery pieces of paper on slick tile or marble floors can be dangerous. Just pick it up! You're washing your hands anyway, right?