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Title: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Cherry91 on April 05, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
I'm a really big crime and mystery nerd, and I love the "What real-life mystery/crime would you most like the answer to?" thread.

But sometimes there are crimes and mysteries that I learn about that were solved, but really stay with me for a long time afterwards.

So - what solved crime or mystery will always give you the heebie jeebies when you think about it?
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: EMuir on April 05, 2014, 01:18:01 PM
The one where a pregnant woman was also selling her dog's upcoming pups, and she was on a breed related message board. A crazy woman there announced she also was pregnant, and when the due date was near, arranged to go look at the first woman's dogs.

Crazy woman shows up, is NOT pregnant herself, kills the pregnant woman and cuts her baby out of her, then goes home and claims it to be her own.

That is a level of calculating crazy that really scares me.

They found the crazy woman and baby within a day, so it could get care.  But... eee.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: 123sandy on April 05, 2014, 01:23:25 PM
Child neglect and murder. It just boggles my mind that any parent can act in such a way, or stand by. Britain's had some horrible cases over the last few years, Baby P, Victoria Climbie... These are the stories that keep me awake at nights.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: RegionMom on April 05, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
was at a yard sale today, and heard two women discussing something like this,

"Yes, that was given to me by "Jane," my former best friend years ago, before...you know..."

"ah, how could I forget, after what she did!"

"I know!  I knew the custody battle was rough, but to do what she did, and now the kids have no parents, I jsut cannot believe I was actually friends with someone who would do that."

And that was all I heard.

No, I did not buy the item, nor did I hear anymore about what "Jane" did to the kids' father that cost her parental rights. 

yikes!!
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Cherry91 on April 05, 2014, 04:32:08 PM
The one where a pregnant woman was also selling her dog's upcoming pups, and she was on a breed related message board. A crazy woman there announced she also was pregnant, and when the due date was near, arranged to go look at the first woman's dogs.

Crazy woman shows up, is NOT pregnant herself, kills the pregnant woman and cuts her baby out of her, then goes home and claims it to be her own.

That is a level of calculating crazy that really scares me.

They found the crazy woman and baby within a day, so it could get care.  But... eee.

I saw that one too! I remember there was a psychologist on the show I saw that talked about the case, and the woman was a pathological liar who killed the mother and took her baby to "prove" that she wasn't lying about her latest (fake) pregnancy.

The way the psychologist said "She just saw the victim as her incubator" was chilling.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 05, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
First one, and it was only sort of solved. Ted Bundy. When I was young, I read ann rules book about him in Readers Digest. Gave the heebie jeebies, and it felt a small connection since my dad was from OR. Even though they knew he was responsible fir killing many women, there are potentially others that will never be solved

Another from Oregon; Diane Downes, who shot her 3 kids, killing one, because her BF didn't want to be with someone who had them.

Third: John List who murdered his entire family, and disappeared, they were not found for a month, and he was on the run for 18 years. He did this in his home which was blocks from where I grew up, although we moved in several years after. I can remember being home alone with friends and scaring ourselves silly saying he might come get us!
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: rose red on April 05, 2014, 05:04:02 PM
How timely. I'm in the middle of reading a book called Psycho USA: Famous Killers You Never Heard Of.

A reminder that people can be the scariest monsters of all.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 05, 2014, 05:04:10 PM
The Manson murders. Read Helter Skelter in HS and could not read before I went to bed. And I don't scare easily
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: MorgnsGrl on April 05, 2014, 05:21:05 PM
Another from Oregon; Diane Downes, who shot her 3 kids, killing one, because her BF didn't want to be with someone who had them.

Yes. I'm actually not a big true crime reader, but Small Sacrifices is an amazing book. I've read it half a dozen times at least and it's so powerful.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Elfmama on April 05, 2014, 06:07:40 PM
Lisa Haenel. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/16/AR2007081602417.html)  We lived next door to her parents when she was born.  Since we were both military, we moved, they moved, etc.  We met up with them again some years later, and Lisa attended the same parochial school for a year or so that my girls did. They knew her, but she was an acquaintance more than a friend. 

She was murdered walking to school one day,  :'(   the same school my grandson now attends.  The police concluded that her killer intended to rape her but was scared off when he heard other kids coming along the path.  The only clue was a cigarette butt on the ground by her body.

14 years later, the DNA on the cigarette butt linked her murder to 2 other murder/rapes in the area.  The SOB had been in prison for 13 years on yet another murder at this point.  No one had suspected that he was a serial killer.   He was already serving life without parole for that one, and is now serving 3 more consecutive life terms on top of that. 

Was there closure for their families? I don't know.  If it had been my daughter, the answer would be no.  :(
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Two Ravens on April 05, 2014, 06:08:58 PM
How timely. I'm in the middle of reading a book called Psycho USA: Famous Killers You Never Heard Of.

A reminder that people can be the scariest monsters of all.

I just bought this. The more I read, the more I realize how many episodes of Criminal Minds and L&O:CI were actually based on real cases. I think I was happier not knowing...
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 05, 2014, 06:21:43 PM
How timely. I'm in the middle of reading a book called Psycho USA: Famous Killers You Never Heard Of.

A reminder that people can be the scariest monsters of all.

I just bought this. The more I read, the more I realize how many episodes of Criminal Minds and L&O:CI were actually based on real cases. I think I was happier not knowing...

I need to look for this too. CM scares the bejesus out of me sometimes
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: doodlemor on April 05, 2014, 06:59:42 PM
First one, and it was only sort of solved. Ted Bundy. When I was young, I read ann rules book about him in Readers Digest. Gave the heebie jeebies, and it felt a small connection since my dad was from OR. Even though they knew he was responsible fir killing many women, there are potentially others that will never be solved

Another from Oregon; Diane Downes, who shot her 3 kids, killing one, because her BF didn't want to be with someone who had them.

Third: John List who murdered his entire family, and disappeared, they were not found for a month, and he was on the run for 18 years. He did this in his home which was blocks from where I grew up, although we moved in several years after. I can remember being home alone with friends and scaring ourselves silly saying he might come get us!

These were my first thoughts, also.  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story. 
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: otterwoman on April 05, 2014, 07:02:50 PM
How timely. I'm in the middle of reading a book called Psycho USA: Famous Killers You Never Heard Of.

A reminder that people can be the scariest monsters of all.

I just bought this. The more I read, the more I realize how many episodes of Criminal Minds and L&O:CI were actually based on real cases. I think I was happier not knowing...

I need to look for this too. CM scares the bejesus out of me sometimes


There were two times that a local crime would hit the news and I'd call up my friend and tell her that this would be on Law & Order: SVU next season. I was right each time.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: MommyPenguin on April 05, 2014, 07:08:09 PM
Lisa Haenel. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/16/AR2007081602417.html)  We lived next door to her parents when she was born.  Since we were both military, we moved, they moved, etc.  We met up with them again some years later, and Lisa attended the same parochial school for a year or so that my girls did. They knew her, but she was an acquaintance more than a friend. 

She was murdered walking to school one day,  :'(   the same school my grandson now attends.  The police concluded that her killer intended to rape her but was scared off when he heard other kids coming along the path.  The only clue was a cigarette butt on the ground by her body.

14 years later, the DNA on the cigarette butt linked her murder to 2 other murder/rapes in the area.  The SOB had been in prison for 13 years on yet another murder at this point.  No one had suspected that he was a serial killer.   He was already serving life without parole for that one, and is now serving 3 more consecutive life terms on top of that. 

Was there closure for their families? I don't know.  If it had been my daughter, the answer would be no.  :(

Thank you so much for posting this!  I was an 8th grader at one of the middle schools attached to that high school when this happened, about to go to the high school the following fall, and it really shook us all up.  I hadn't even remembered her name, but I vividly remember it happening (didn't they find her in the woods around the school?) and I'm glad that they did finally discover who did it and that he's already in jail.

Sounds like your grandson goes to my old school.  :)
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Elfmama on April 05, 2014, 08:27:10 PM
Lisa Haenel. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/16/AR2007081602417.html)  We lived next door to her parents when she was born.  Since we were both military, we moved, they moved, etc.  We met up with them again some years later, and Lisa attended the same parochial school for a year or so that my girls did. They knew her, but she was an acquaintance more than a friend. 

She was murdered walking to school one day,  :'(   the same school my grandson now attends.  The police concluded that her killer intended to rape her but was scared off when he heard other kids coming along the path.  The only clue was a cigarette butt on the ground by her body.

14 years later, the DNA on the cigarette butt linked her murder to 2 other murder/rapes in the area.  The SOB had been in prison for 13 years on yet another murder at this point.  No one had suspected that he was a serial killer.   He was already serving life without parole for that one, and is now serving 3 more consecutive life terms on top of that. 

Was there closure for their families? I don't know.  If it had been my daughter, the answer would be no.  :(

Thank you so much for posting this!  I was an 8th grader at one of the middle schools attached to that high school when this happened, about to go to the high school the following fall, and it really shook us all up.  I hadn't even remembered her name, but I vividly remember it happening (didn't they find her in the woods around the school?) and I'm glad that they did finally discover who did it and that he's already in jail.

Sounds like your grandson goes to my old school.  :)
Yes,  the next day her stepfather found her in a ravine in the woods near the school, throwing suspicion on him for a time.   She was her mother's only child. 
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Tosca on April 05, 2014, 08:46:32 PM
Not technically a crime, but I think it should have been.

In 2008 in West Australia, a well-respected Aboriginal elder named Mr Ward (his first name was not used, in accordance with Aboriginal tradition) was arrested for drunk driving in a remote location called Warburton.

Had he been white, he would probably have been bailed to appear in court.  Instead he suffered an escalating series of casual racism; he was refused bail and transported 400 km in the back of a prison van.  The prisoner capsule was a bare steel box with no windows, and ventilation provided only by a roof mounted air conditioner.

At some stage in the journey the airconditioner failed.  The temperature was around 43C (110F).  The guards ignored protocol and did not stop once during the trip to check on him.  By the time they did, he was unconscious with 3rd degree burns where his weight was resting on the bare metal.  He died in hospital without regaining consciousness.

The guards and the company responsible were fined for failing to provide proper care to Mr Ward, and the guards lost their jobs.  There was talk of charging them with manslaughter, but it didn't happen.

It nauseates me to think of the suffering that poor man endured.  I only hope he lost consciousness quickly.   
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Winterlight on April 05, 2014, 09:19:21 PM
A case from back home: 16 year old girl vanishes from a parking lot. No enemies, friendly, popular in school, on the cheerleading squad. Searches are conducted, but the trail goes cold. No leads.

Six months later, a nineteen-year-old man confesses to the psychologist he'd just started seeing that he and a friend had killed her. She knew them from school, so when they asked her to drive them to "work" AKA a deserted location by claiming that they needed a ride and their car had broken down, she agreed. They then forced her out of her vehicle at that deserted location and into a waiting one, raped her and then suffocated her. Her body was buried in the woods. The two of them had been planning the crime for a while. She was picked on a whim- because she was there.

I went to school with her- I didn't know her well but I had met her. She was a lovely girl who would have grown up into a wonderful adult, but she never got the chance because of these evil people. Both of them are doing 99 years with no possibility of parole.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: kherbert05 on April 05, 2014, 10:17:37 PM
The John List post brought this up. I know that family annihilators are rare - but I've been in close contact with future victims/survivors who escaped 3X since 2001. Then this year we had 2 close calls with students and domestic violence.


*2 Students and their mom murdered by the "dad/husband"
*Staff member who lost her sister and Mom, then took in the children - while the "dad" who intended to kill them was still on the loose. Some of our students were also cousins. We had a police officers stationed on our campus till he was caught. They were worried he would go after the children of the people who tried to help his late wife escape.
 *Another staff member's husband committed suicide - in part because he was having dreams that he was going morph into a monster and kill her and their children. (Veteran with PTST and brain injury who wasn't getting the help he needed)
* 2x this year we have had police stationed on campus because of fears that "fathers" wanted for domestic violence would come to school looking for their kids they had threatened to kill. The local cops are taking such threats very seriously.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: katiescarlett on April 06, 2014, 01:42:08 AM
The case of Marybeth Tinning, who killed 8 of her 9 children, none living past toddlerhood except her oldest child who was 4.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Nikko-chan on April 06, 2014, 02:32:33 AM
Why do I read these threads? I don't think I'll sleep now....
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Fliss on April 06, 2014, 03:09:56 AM

Regarding Mr Ward:

It would have taken several hours. That's what adds the real horror to the whole thing. He wouldn't have lost awareness until quite a long time into the process.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2009/s2598796.htm
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: shadowfox79 on April 06, 2014, 03:46:03 AM
I was twelve years old at the time of the Jamie Bulger case, in which two ten-year-old boys took a toddler from a supermarket and beat him to death.

It wasn't in my hometown, but near enough that they held a special assembly at my school about it. The thought that kids just two years younger than me could do that stayed with me for a long time.

The only other one that stuck in my head was that business with the lead singer of Lostprophets. I had considered myself unshockable before I read that one - not any more.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Cherry91 on April 06, 2014, 04:41:52 AM
The only other one that stuck in my head was that business with the lead singer of Lostprophets. I had considered myself unshockable before I read that one - not any more.

I was a massive fan of the Lostprophets when I was about 14, and finding out what the singer was capable of was sickening. I found my old iPod a while ago, and when it switched to a Lostprophets song I nearly threw it across the room.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Wench on April 06, 2014, 06:38:09 AM
I think the biggest unsolved crime is why the monsters responsible for Jamie Bulger's murder were ever let out of prison and allowed new identities. Also the same goes for why was Baby P's mother ever released from prison.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: faithlessone on April 06, 2014, 07:12:33 AM
For, me, it's every time I switch on the TV or open a newspaper and see yet another horrible crime perpetrated against children by the people who are supposed to protect them. Parents, teachers, guardians... It seems to be happening a lot in the last few years. :(

The Lostprophets case was particularly despicable. For a unrelated man to do such horrific things is bad enough, but the mothers who were involved? That's just unthinkable.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Snooks on April 06, 2014, 08:05:19 AM
I think the biggest unsolved crime is why the monsters responsible for Jamie Bulger's murder were ever let out of prison and allowed new identities. Also the same goes for why was Baby P's mother ever released from prison.

As far as the Bulger killers go I hope that getting to kids when they're that young you should be able to rehabilitate them.  I think they were/are both very damaged boys and remember they are both on parole and can be recalled at any time.  Mary Bell was released from prison under an assumed identity and never re-offended.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: PurpleFrog on April 06, 2014, 08:22:40 AM
Not a murder case but it still gives me chills.

A couple moved in to a new house, when they went up into the attic they found the ususal detritus and a few suitcases. In the suitcase they found the corpse of an new born baby.

The police traced the old resident, Ann Mahoney and secarched her house, they found two more babies hidden in her house.

She claimed they were her own stillborn children that she'd delivered and hidden. The remains were so decomposed that they couldn't establish if the babies were stillborn but DNA showed a genitic link to the Mahoney.

The courts accepted her claim and eventually she was sentenced to 12 months community service.

I remember walking past the first house, the night it hit the news and even in my 20's I did i at a run. The discrepanices in  the carbon dating and her timeline have always played on my mind, and the fact they couldn't prove how those poor babies died. I still can't open any boxes/suitcases/bags that I find in a new house.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/4303696.stm
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: rose red on April 06, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
I watch lots of crime reenactment shows and movies based on true stories, but one that really disgusted me was about Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo.

I've also read about poor Sylvia Likens (the girl tortured to death by her foster mother who also brought in neighbor boys into the torture), but I haven't gotten the nerve to watch the movies based on her story. Do NOT look up her story if you are sensitive.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Winterlight on April 06, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
I'm really sickened that they let Karla out. She helped her boyfriend drug and rape her sister, for pete's sake! And drugged her so badly that she died.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Klein Bottle on April 06, 2014, 09:19:22 AM
One of many is the Cleveland kidnapped girls case, which blew wide open a year ago.  It had a happy ending, in that the lives of all three young women were spared, but when I think of the years of imprisonment, terror, and torture, they suffered, it horrifies me.  The perp, Ariel Castro, hanged himself in jail. 

The families of the girls never stopped looking for them, and the one girl's mother died before she was found. 
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Asharah on April 06, 2014, 11:06:55 AM
I'm really sickened that they let Karla out. She helped her boyfriend drug and rape her sister, for pete's sake! And drugged her so badly that she died.
I agree. The guy was a rapist before he met her, but he didn't KILL anybody until she got involved.

I've also read about poor Sylvia Likens (the girl tortured to death by her foster mother who also brought in neighbor boys into the torture), but I haven't gotten the nerve to watch the movies based on her story. Do NOT look up her story if you are sensitive.
That witch with a capital B should have been locked up until she died for what she did to that girl.
I think the biggest unsolved crime is why the monsters responsible for Jamie Bulger's murder were ever let out of prison and allowed new identities. Also the same goes for why was Baby P's mother ever released from prison.

As far as the Bulger killers go I hope that getting to kids when they're that young you should be able to rehabilitate them.  I think they were/are both very damaged boys and remember they are both on parole and can be recalled at any time.  Mary Bell was released from prison under an assumed identity and never re-offended.
DO NOT get me started on what they should have done to Mary Bell's mother. If you want to be a prostitute that specializes in S&M, fine. But you do not INVOLVE a 10-year-old child in that kind of "family business." I normally have no sympathy for murderers, but I think her mother was just as much to blame for the deaths of those boys as Mary was.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: misha412 on April 06, 2014, 11:43:16 AM
The Holocaust
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: readingchick on April 06, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
I've also read about poor Sylvia Likens (the girl tortured to death by her foster mother who also brought in neighbor boys into the torture), but I haven't gotten the nerve to watch the movies based on her story. Do NOT look up her story if you are sensitive.

I can't believe that took place in my home state!
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: doodlemor on April 06, 2014, 12:30:12 PM
I'm really sickened that they let Karla out. She helped her boyfriend drug and rape her sister, for pete's sake! And drugged her so badly that she died.

I think that Karla made a deal with the prosecutors to testify against Paul Bernardo in exchange for a lighter sentence, and that they really needed her testimony to convict him.  After that deal was made the prosecutors obtained video tapes which implicated her to a much greater degree of guilt.  Karla was young and pretty, and I don't think that the authorities fully realized that they were dealing with such a great evil.  If the authorities had had the tapes earlier, the deal never would have been made.

The tapes were in the possession of Paul Bernardo's defense lawyer, who withheld them from the prosecution for 17 months.  I don't think that he got into a great deal of trouble for not sharing them with the prosecution, although he was charged with obstruction of justice and acquitted.  I hope that the penalties for a lawyer would be more severe for this here in the US - all of this happened in Canada.

 
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: bo on April 06, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-22/news/ct-met-williams-plea-0122-20120122_1_williams-and-caffey-sam-evans-levern-ward.

This case is just horrific and after only serving 16 years she wants to be released. She wants to be able to "Smell a flower or receive a hug from a family member"
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 06, 2014, 01:06:42 PM
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-22/news/ct-met-williams-plea-0122-20120122_1_williams-and-caffey-sam-evans-levern-ward.

This case is just horrific and after only serving 16 years she wants to be released. She wants to be able to "Smell a flower or receive a hug from a family member"

She deserves nothing. except what she's got. I'm truly amazed she actually feels she's served enough time, and "deserves" to be let out. Um no. no you don't
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: VorFemme on April 06, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-22/news/ct-met-williams-plea-0122-20120122_1_williams-and-caffey-sam-evans-levern-ward.

This case is just horrific and after only serving 16 years she wants to be released. She wants to be able to "Smell a flower or receive a hug from a family member"

She deserves nothing. except what she's got. I'm truly amazed she actually feels she's served enough time, and "deserves" to be let out. Um no. no you don't

Well, she could get the fate that she meted out - because her victim is no longer smelling flowers or getting hugs from relatives...oh, wait, some people claim that the death penalty is "cruel"...so is murder.

Granted, if you convict & execute someone who is innocent, you can't undo that.  But if the person is guilty and admits it (on top of the other evidence) - then "life in prison" is life...in...prison.  For the protection of those around you, if for no other reason.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: bo on April 06, 2014, 01:21:37 PM
I am addicted to the ID channel and a few stick in my mind.

On Wicked Attraction  ( I don't remember the names), but  from what was reported was this guy was hard working and a good husband (Considered boring) by his wife. So she had an affair with a con man and they stole the husbands ss number and rang up huge credit card bills. When the husband caught on,they mailed him a bomb. Just so sad, this poor guy led a good life and of all people his wife of many years did
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Post by: Bellantara on April 06, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
Susan Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith). I somehow can see those poor babies in their car seats as the car rolled into the lake, crying and not understanding why Mommy was just watching. .  . .  :'(
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Post by: Luci on April 06, 2014, 03:04:53 PM
Susan Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith). I somehow can see those poor babies in their car seats as the car rolled into the lake, crying and not understanding why Mommy was just watching. .  . .  :'(

That's the image that haunts me.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/a-mass-murderer-leaves-eight-women-dead Was the one that touched me. We were married on July 2 and had just moved into an apartment 40 miles from Chicago. The murders happened July 13, Speck was caught on the 14th. I often wondered how three groups of three women could not overcome one crazy man - but I wasn't there.

I also feared for myself for that next day. I was totally repulsed when I saw the tape years later of Speck in prison, and often wondered how the survivor is doing. She would be about my age - late 60s.

Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Marisol on April 06, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
In my neighborhood a man killed and cut up his girlfriend into small pieces when I was a kid. She was found in his freezer (freezers?).  Honestly, I don't know many details but the images my young mind had were bad enough, and the fact that they lived just a street away really disturbed me. 
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Post by: guihong on April 06, 2014, 04:05:51 PM
Albert Guay, who wanted to get rid of his wife.  He had an accomplice make a bomb, then smuggled it onboard a plane she would be on.  All on board, including Guay's wife, died in the crash.  Guay and his accomplices were all hung. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Guay
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Post by: squeakers on April 06, 2014, 04:31:22 PM
http://qctimes.com/klindt-timeline/article_94739f4e-e55c-11df-b0cb-001cc4c002e0.html

Local chiro killed his wife and dismembered her with a chainsaw.  Her remains (some) were found in the Mississippi River.

I don't look to closely in the water now just because I would hate to come across a body.  There have been quite a few bodies pulled from the Mississippi this past winter. 
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Post by: violinp on April 06, 2014, 11:10:41 PM
My dad used to work very closely with cops for various reasons. I won't tell most of the stories, because some of the stories are just. So. Disturbing. But two really stick out in my mind:

The dad who killed his young kids for the life insurance...on Christmas Day. He set the house on fire and nailed all the doors and windows shut. The little girl was still holding the stuff from her play kitchen she got that Christmas when they found the bodies.  :'(  :'(

The guy who went completely crazy and blew himself up and blew the back off the apartment building in which he lived. Most people said, "Oh, he was such a quiet man," at first, but when Dad got to talking with them, they remembered, oh, he dressed up in a Nazi uniform and chased the little black kids down the street, scaring the crap out of them. The fact that that was so normal to them that they never suspected that he might actually hurt someone...*shudder*
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Post by: kareng57 on April 06, 2014, 11:43:21 PM
I'm really sickened that they let Karla out. She helped her boyfriend drug and rape her sister, for pete's sake! And drugged her so badly that she died.

I think that Karla made a deal with the prosecutors to testify against Paul Bernardo in exchange for a lighter sentence, and that they really needed her testimony to convict him.  After that deal was made the prosecutors obtained video tapes which implicated her to a much greater degree of guilt.  Karla was young and pretty, and I don't think that the authorities fully realized that they were dealing with such a great evil.  If the authorities had had the tapes earlier, the deal never would have been made.

The tapes were in the possession of Paul Bernardo's defense lawyer, who withheld them from the prosecution for 17 months.  I don't think that he got into a great deal of trouble for not sharing them with the prosecution, although he was charged with obstruction of justice and acquitted.  I hope that the penalties for a lawyer would be more severe for this here in the US - all of this happened in Canada.


I agree, unfortunately.  The authorities had already made the "deal with the devil" and could not change Homolka's sentence even after the new evidence came to light.
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Post by: doodlemor on April 07, 2014, 12:21:18 AM
I'm really sickened that they let Karla out. She helped her boyfriend drug and rape her sister, for pete's sake! And drugged her so badly that she died.

I think that Karla made a deal with the prosecutors to testify against Paul Bernardo in exchange for a lighter sentence, and that they really needed her testimony to convict him.  After that deal was made the prosecutors obtained video tapes which implicated her to a much greater degree of guilt.  Karla was young and pretty, and I don't think that the authorities fully realized that they were dealing with such a great evil.  If the authorities had had the tapes earlier, the deal never would have been made.

The tapes were in the possession of Paul Bernardo's defense lawyer, who withheld them from the prosecution for 17 months.  I don't think that he got into a great deal of trouble for not sharing them with the prosecution, although he was charged with obstruction of justice and acquitted.  I hope that the penalties for a lawyer would be more severe for this here in the US - all of this happened in Canada.


I agree, unfortunately.  The authorities had already made the "deal with the devil" and could not change Homolka's sentence even after the new evidence came to light.

Thinking about Homolka and Bernardo gives me this type of reaction:

"The psychopath is an intraspecies predator, and peoples’ visceral reaction to them—“they made the hair stand up on my neck”—is an early warning system driven by fear of being prey to a predator."

The quote is from this FBI article, and is actually foot noted to an article in the Journal of Threat Assessment 2.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/july-2012/psychopathy-an-important-forensic-concept-for-the-21st-century

I find it interesting that apparently sometimes our atavistic reflexes warn us of danger.

Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: cicero on April 07, 2014, 02:04:15 AM
i think that what always disturbs me the most are those cases of little kids who fall between the cracks - the cases of little children who are murdered or die in some stupid accident and after they are dead, it turns out that they lived a life of fear, terror, neglect, abuse, and the writing was on the wall only nobody was reading. so it's not just that they ended up tortured and dead, but their whole short lives leading up to their last day was a life full of strife. and all of a sudden after their death there are people talking about it, and investigations, and strangers leaving little teddy bears near the scene of the crime... seems like such a terrible thing that that little kid lived through life with no love and nobody reaching out and only after their death do people seem to care.

Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: nuit93 on April 07, 2014, 02:28:43 AM
This case. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellevue_Massacre)

It happened in my hometown when I was in high school, in fact it was only by a few blocks that the victims went to a different high school than the one I went to.  Classmates of mine knew the family though.

I was housesitting in the neighborhood that the crime happened in when I was reading a magazine and opened to an article about the BTK Killer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTK_Killer), who had not yet been caught and was preying on women alone in their homes.  Yeah...I left some lights on that night  :-\

There was another case that did happen to a classmate of mine who also volunteered at the same place I did--his father killed him, his older brother, their mom and then himself.

Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: nayberry on April 07, 2014, 06:36:10 AM
I think the biggest unsolved crime is why the monsters responsible for Jamie Bulger's murder were ever let out of prison and allowed new identities. Also the same goes for why was Baby P's mother ever released from prison.

As far as the Bulger killers go I hope that getting to kids when they're that young you should be able to rehabilitate them.  I think they were/are both very damaged boys and remember they are both on parole and can be recalled at any time.  Mary Bell was released from prison under an assumed identity and never re-offended.


one of the bulger killers has been, venables i think, was arrested and has to be given Another new identity(4th!!) as he was telling people who he was.  oh and he was arrested this time because he had images of a graphic nature of children (google it too squicked out!)
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Post by: Team HoundMom on April 07, 2014, 10:05:53 AM
This was years ago, I doubt I could even find the articles if I tried.  A family had a bunch of kids and they neglected their infant daughter so badly that she died in her sister's arms.  The sister was maybe 8 or so IIRC - she kept saying the baby was sick and dying and the parents kept ignoring her and telling her to shut up.  By the time paramedics arrived rigor mortis had already set in and they had to pretend to go through the motions on the baby's dead body.  I worked in a pet store at the time and I remember saying that I've seen mother rats show more concern for their young than that mother did for hers.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: 123sandy on April 07, 2014, 10:20:17 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Philpott

I don't believe in the death penalty but I'd be willing to make an exception in the case of this miserable excuse of a man. I can't think about these poor bairnies without crying.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: ladyknight1 on April 07, 2014, 11:24:19 AM
The "Baby Grace" case in Texas. Riley Ann Sawyers was found in a tote in the gulf of Mexico. No one had reported her missing.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3912395 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3912395)

Her mother and stepfather tortured and beat her until she died, including drowning her. They put her in a blue plastic container and placed her body in a shed for two months before dumping her body in the gulf.

The mother and stepfather were convicted of murder and are serving life in prison.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: ladyknight1 on April 07, 2014, 12:35:21 PM
The death and coverup of Caylee Anthony. My mentor was the expert called in on the case and I know some things about it from his insight and things we have learned in class. Mishandling of evidence by an FBI lab technician led to the mother not being convicted of her murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Anthony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Anthony)
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: staceym on April 07, 2014, 01:03:38 PM
i think that what always disturbs me the most are those cases of little kids who fall between the cracks - the cases of little children who are murdered or die in some stupid accident and after they are dead, it turns out that they lived a life of fear, terror, neglect, abuse, and the writing was on the wall only nobody was reading. so it's not just that they ended up tortured and dead, but their whole short lives leading up to their last day was a life full of strife. and all of a sudden after their death there are people talking about it, and investigations, and strangers leaving little teddy bears near the scene of the crime... seems like such a terrible thing that that little kid lived through life with no love and nobody reaching out and only after their death do people seem to care.

so sad and true..

what is happening in my area now..last week a mother killed two or her three boys (ages 3 and 6) by drowning  :'( .  She said that she she was "hearing voices" and that she felt she could be a better mother to her oldest boy without the other two.

After she was arrested and they looked back at her past they found out that about 10 months ago she backed over the two boys while they were in her driveway; she said she never saw them and thought they had gone back to the house; no charges were filed.  Then a year or so before that she was charged with leaving one of the sons in a locked hot car  >:(

=====

when I first saw the title of this thread the first thought was Charles Manson/Sharon Tate
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 07, 2014, 01:33:47 PM
i think that what always disturbs me the most are those cases of little kids who fall between the cracks - the cases of little children who are murdered or die in some stupid accident and after they are dead, it turns out that they lived a life of fear, terror, neglect, abuse, and the writing was on the wall only nobody was reading. so it's not just that they ended up tortured and dead, but their whole short lives leading up to their last day was a life full of strife. and all of a sudden after their death there are people talking about it, and investigations, and strangers leaving little teddy bears near the scene of the crime... seems like such a terrible thing that that little kid lived through life with no love and nobody reaching out and only after their death do people seem to care.

You reminded me of the Lisa Steinberg case in NYC back in the 80s. Who was illegally adopted and beaten to death by her "father" while her adoptive "mother" dud nothing, and said, in her defense, she had been abused by him as well.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Cherry91 on April 07, 2014, 05:43:19 PM
The two that always get me are two UK murder cases:

- The Soham Murders/Holly and Jessica - two 10 year old girls from Cambridgeshire who went out to buy sweets and never came back. It turned out the caretaker of their school had killed them, and his girlfriend, who was a teaching assistant at the same school, lied to the police and gave him a fake alibi. I think it really effected my parents because at the time I wasn't that much older than the two girls, and it was constant in all the media.

- Milly Dowler/The Levi Bellfield killings - another one that was in the news constantly after she disappeared was Milly Dowler, and it took years before she was linked to the man who was finally charged, Levi Bellfield. One of the murders, or at least the disappearance of a victim, actually took place near my school, and we didn't find out about it until after we'd moved to the area. It was quite disturbing to realise a serial killer had stalked an area I regularly walked past...
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Miss Misery on April 07, 2014, 06:36:33 PM
You want chills? Just read these quotes (vulgarities changed):

"I just wanted to know how it would feel like to shoot Grandma." -- serial killer Edmund Kemper after murdering his grandparents when he was 15 years old.

"One side of me says I'd like to talk to her and date her. The other side of me says I wonder how her head would look on a stick?" -- serial killer Edmund Kemper after being asked what he thought when he saw a young girl on the street.

"I controlled other people's lives, whether they lived or died. I had that power to control. After I didn't get caught for the first fifteen, I thought it was my right. I appointed myself judge, prosecutor and judge. So I played God." -- serial killer Donald Harvey

"God meant women for cooking, cleaning house, and sex. When they are not in use, they should be locked up." -- serial killer Leonard Lake

"I just hated seeing them standing there." -- serial killer and arsonist Ottis Toole explaining why he started burning down houses at the ripe old age of 6.

"Doesn't everyone do it?" -- serial killer and child molester Fred West after impregnating a 13-year-old when he was 20.

"The honest truth is, it's fun to kill people and if I was allowed to run loose I'd probably do it again. I have to say--I know it's going to sound sick, it's going to sound psycho, and I really don't think I'm that psycho--but it's kind of fun. Like riding a roller coaster." -- serial killer Carol Bundy

"We had a lot of fun with her. I was making her up like a Barbie with makeup." -- serial killer Carol Bundy talking about how she applied make-up and styled the hair of a decapitated head her partner in crime Doug Clark brought home.

"I love to kill people. I love to watch them die. I would shoot them in the head and they would wiggle and squirm all over the place, and then just stop. Or I would cut them with a knife and watch their faces turn real white. I love all that blood." -- serial killer Richard Ramirez

"I hope they let me do my hair in jail. I would just die if my hair went to hell." -- serial killer Karla Homolka in a letter to a friend

"I’m the most cold-hearted son-of-a-b*tch you'll ever meet." -- serial killer Ted Bundy

"Why is it wrong to get rid of some f#$%in' c-words?" -- serial killer Kenneth Bianchi

"I was very smooth, able to hurt somebody at any given time with no remorse and I could do it over and over again without it bothering me at all." -- serial killer/hitman Richard Kuklinski

"The only thing they can get me for is running a funeral parlor without a license." -- serial killer John Wayne Gacy

"Cut out her p#$%y and ate it. I was one sick person." -- serial killer Arthur Shawcross

"After my head has been chopped off, will I still be able to hear, at least for a moment, the sound of my own blood gushing from my neck? That would be the pleasure to end all pleasures." -- serial killer Peter Kurten before going to the guillotine

"I wish the entire human race had one neck, and I had my hands around it!" -- serial killer Carl Panzram



Sleep tight.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: andi on April 07, 2014, 06:55:50 PM
We had friends that lived about 2 blocks from John Wayne Gacy, I was 5 and their boys were about 10 and 15 at the time the investigation was going on.  I didn't realize it till I was older (mid teens) and my mom and I were watching a TV movie about it.  She told me that's why we weren't allowed to play outside at their house and why I was never allowed to go to a public bathroom by myself till I was about grown.  I don't think my step mon ever really got over the proximity of someone that evil living by "regular" people

Any crime involving moms / parents and hut parting thier own children. I've read Anne Rule and followed several of the cases mentioned here and I can't fathom what state someone's mind would have to be in to do domething like that.
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Post by: Elfmama on April 07, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
There was a case here in Maryland in 1999, when a man buried his 4-year-old daughter (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-08-25/news/9908250141_1_woods-anne-arundel-daughter) who had "accidentally died";  at the time there was nothing they could charge him with, because there was no law requiring a private individual to report a death, or one forbidding burials either on one's own property or on county-owned public lands. Neither an autopsy nor a toxicology showed a cause of death.   Absent any evidence of foul play, the only thing he could be charged for was a misdemeanor of "dumping on public property."

I've always wondered if he got away with murder.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: kherbert05 on April 07, 2014, 08:11:26 PM
i think that what always disturbs me the most are those cases of little kids who fall between the cracks - the cases of little children who are murdered or die in some stupid accident and after they are dead, it turns out that they lived a life of fear, terror, neglect, abuse, and the writing was on the wall only nobody was reading. so it's not just that they ended up tortured and dead, but their whole short lives leading up to their last day was a life full of strife. and all of a sudden after their death there are people talking about it, and investigations, and strangers leaving little teddy bears near the scene of the crime... seems like such a terrible thing that that little kid lived through life with no love and nobody reaching out and only after their death do people seem to care.
Often times there are no witnesses to the abuse and no chance for the child to ask for help because they are preverbal or not in school yet.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: kherbert05 on April 07, 2014, 08:18:10 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Philpott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Philpott)

I don't believe in the death penalty but I'd be willing to make an exception in the case of this miserable excuse of a man. I can't think about these poor bairnies without crying.
If they had just thrown away the key after the first crimes he wouldn't have been able to kill 6 children.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: kherbert05 on April 07, 2014, 08:44:05 PM
Both of the Houston Candyman Murders -

Ronald Clark O'Bryan - the man who ruined Halloween. Murdered his son and attempted to murder his daughter for insurance money. He also attempted to murder several other children to make it look like a mythical Halloween poisoning. He used poisoned pixi sticks. I wasn't allowed to have pixi sticks for years after the murder.

Dean Coril (his family ran a candy factory and he used to give out samples near schools in the Heights) He and his accomplices murdered at least 28 young men and are suspected in at least 29 other murders. At the time of the crimes being discovered he was the worse serial killer in US history.

Henry Lee Lucas was arrested near where I went to University and was thought to have murdered people from several small towns where my classmates were from. What chills me now is how many murderers are free now because Henry Lee Lucas confessed to their crimes?
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Post by: Betelnut on April 07, 2014, 08:47:22 PM
The murders of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, her son and granddaughter.  They are the only people who I have know personally who have been murdered.  Apparently, they were also held captive for a long time.  The fear must of have been immense.  It just gives me the shudders, I guess, because I actually had met Madalyn and Robin.
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Post by: Bethczar on April 07, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story.
I remember what awful things people said about her, like she was evil incarnate. She was a sad, sick unstable woman who got pushed too far. Her husband was warned that she should not have more children, as well as that she should not be left alone with them. And yet he allowed both of those things to happen.

I believe she is serving life somewhere. I hope she has found some peace from her demons.
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Post by: Hillia on April 07, 2014, 10:04:12 PM
My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.
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Post by: StarFaerie on April 07, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
Jeffrey Dahmer doing amateur prefrontal lobotomies on his victims with hydrochloric acid and boiling water so they would be controllable.
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Post by: violinp on April 07, 2014, 10:24:18 PM
My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.

...Evil doesn't even begin to describe what that act is.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: jedikaiti on April 07, 2014, 10:39:28 PM
My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.

...Evil doesn't even begin to describe what that act is.

That's so bad I wouldn't even insult evil with that comparison.
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Post by: jolyan on April 07, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story.
I remember what awful things people said about her, like she was evil incarnate. She was a sad, sick unstable woman who got pushed too far. Her husband was warned that she should not have more children, as well as that she should not be left alone with them. And yet he allowed both of those things to happen.

I believe she is serving life somewhere. I hope she has found some peace from her demons.
Her life sentence was overturned. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity. She is in a low security state mental hospital.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Elfmama on April 07, 2014, 10:59:45 PM
  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story.
I remember what awful things people said about her, like she was evil incarnate. She was a sad, sick unstable woman who got pushed too far. Her husband was warned that she should not have more children, as well as that she should not be left alone with them. And yet he allowed both of those things to happen.

I believe she is serving life somewhere. I hope she has found some peace from her demons.
Her life sentence was overturned. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity. She is in a low security state mental hospital.
Thanks!  If anyone was legally insane at the time of the crime, that poor woman was.  It is beyond me that anyone could read her testimony and NOT think that she was BSC.  IIRC, she said that she had to kill her children while they were still young and pure enough to go to Heaven, because the Evil One told her that he was going to corrupt them and take them off to the Hot Place. 

And her husband had the gall to state that 'all depressed people needed was a "swift kick in the pants" to get them motivated.'  If anyone is guilty of their murder, HE is, for leaving them alone with a woman that he knew was unbalanced.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: veronaz on April 07, 2014, 11:03:11 PM
The abduction and murder of John Walsh's son, Adam.  :'(
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Post by: nuit93 on April 08, 2014, 12:07:14 AM
The abduction and murder of John Walsh's son, Adam.  :'(

My mother was pregnant with me (her first child) when that happened.

Needless to say I wasn't allowed out of her sight much.
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Post by: Ginger G on April 08, 2014, 08:03:35 AM
I saw this story on the ID network a while back and it really chilled me.  Then I was channel surfing a week or so ago and Dr. Phil was covering the same case.  I didn't remember the ID program saying that this man had killed his mother as a teenager, so they either didn't mention it or I missed that part.  When I saw it on ID, it chilled me badly enough, but finding out the additional background just makes it so much worse.

When he was 13 years old Charlie Brandt, shot and killed his 8 months pregnant mother and attempted to murder his father and one of his sisters.  They could find no reason for the murder, nor could they diagnose an actual mental illness that would cause him to do it.  He did spend a year in a mental institution, he was released and the family moved to Florida where no one knew them.

Charlie Brandt grew up and married a woman named Teri.  The man who introduced him did know about Charlie's past but did not tell her.  The man was actually married to Charlie's sister who he had tried to kill back in 1971.  This was the main point of discussion on the Dr. Phil show, whether you would tell someone a secret like that or not.  Something like 70+% of people said they would NOT tell!

In 2004, Charlie and Teri went to Orlando to spend the weekend with Teri's niece Michelle.  After several days of no contact from Michelle, her mother asked a friend to go check on her.  The friend could see into the garage and saw Charlie's body hanging there.  The police were called and upon entry into the house found Teri stabbed to death on the sofa.  They found Michelle's body in her bedroom, and I won't go into the graphic details, but Charlie had done some really hideous stuff to her body.  It turns out that Charlie had been obsessed with Michelle for some time and had probably planned the whole thing.   Charlie Brandt is also considered the most likely culprit in at least one other unsolved murder and possibly more.
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Post by: Dazi on April 08, 2014, 11:26:32 AM
These are all just crazy stories.    ???
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Post by: Cherry91 on April 08, 2014, 11:38:14 AM
These are all just crazy stories.    ???

Scary what some folk are capable of, isn't it?
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Asharah on April 08, 2014, 11:47:32 AM
http://everything2.com/title/Richardson+Family+Murders
And she's only getting 10 years for this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laurie_Show
Lets see, you stalk and murder the girl your boyfriend raped, then claim you were framed by cops who gang-raped you? And she actually suckered a judge into believing any of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer
Just completely disturbing.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on April 08, 2014, 11:55:14 AM
Harold Shipman.  His calm self-righteousness chilled me.
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Post by: Mikayla on April 08, 2014, 12:35:05 PM
The worst one for me was the Clutter family in Kansas (In Cold Blood).  I think I saw the movie at too young an age, and the horror of a family just going about their daily business, leading a quiet happy life....and then hell showed up at their front door.   I've never spent a night alone in a single family house with stairs, and I'm sure this is why.

The other one that chilled me was Jessica Lunsford.  She was assaulted several times in a trailer with family members aware what was going on.  Then she was buried alive with her favorite stuffed animal, and there were holes in the bag where she tried to break out.   

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Post by: violinp on April 08, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story.
I remember what awful things people said about her, like she was evil incarnate. She was a sad, sick unstable woman who got pushed too far. Her husband was warned that she should not have more children, as well as that she should not be left alone with them. And yet he allowed both of those things to happen.

I believe she is serving life somewhere. I hope she has found some peace from her demons.
Her life sentence was overturned. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity. She is in a low security state mental hospital.
Thanks!  If anyone was legally insane at the time of the crime, that poor woman was.  It is beyond me that anyone could read her testimony and NOT think that she was BSC.  IIRC, she said that she had to kill her children while they were still young and pure enough to go to Heaven, because the Evil One told her that he was going to corrupt them and take them off to the Hot Place. 

And her husband had the gall to state that 'all depressed people needed was a "swift kick in the pants" to get them motivated.'  If anyone is guilty of their murder, HE is, for leaving them alone with a woman that he knew was unbalanced.

Well, and she clearly was suffering from post - partum psychosis, which is far worse even than PPD, which is terrible enough itself. That poor woman.
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Post by: cass2591 on April 08, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.

I too vaguely recall a similar story. I lived in Chicago then. I think the murder happened at least 10 years ago and probably more, and for some reason I think they lived in Indiana, not sure where, but the story was so disturbing I'm surprised Court TV, which was still Court TV, didn't glom onto it. I only heard about it on the local news and in the paper, and then nothing.

But I soon forgot about it as there was no further publicity. I figured the guy pled out to avoid the death penalty and went off to spend his life in the big house. His account of the premeditation and plotting to kill a child for revenge on his wife was beyond chilling. I believe his revenge was based on her cheating on him prior to their wedding. Because something like that justifies what this low life did, right?
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Post by: Asharah on April 08, 2014, 01:35:53 PM
  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story.
I remember what awful things people said about her, like she was evil incarnate. She was a sad, sick unstable woman who got pushed too far. Her husband was warned that she should not have more children, as well as that she should not be left alone with them. And yet he allowed both of those things to happen.

I believe she is serving life somewhere. I hope she has found some peace from her demons.
Her life sentence was overturned. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity. She is in a low security state mental hospital.
Thanks!  If anyone was legally insane at the time of the crime, that poor woman was.  It is beyond me that anyone could read her testimony and NOT think that she was BSC.  IIRC, she said that she had to kill her children while they were still young and pure enough to go to Heaven, because the Evil One told her that he was going to corrupt them and take them off to the Hot Place. 

And her husband had the gall to state that 'all depressed people needed was a "swift kick in the pants" to get them motivated.'  If anyone is guilty of their murder, HE is, for leaving them alone with a woman that he knew was unbalanced.

Well, and she clearly was suffering from post - partum psychosis, which is far worse even than PPD, which is terrible enough itself. That poor woman.
Saw a story on her on an ID show. Wanted to track down her hubby and ask "What part of 'DO NOT leave her alone with the children," did you fail to understand?" The grandmother was supposed to be there to help her while hubby worked, but he started asking her not to come until X time because he thought Andrea shouldn't get accustomed to other people caring for the children for her.  ::)
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Post by: Cz. Burrito on April 08, 2014, 01:55:27 PM
http://qctimes.com/klindt-timeline/article_94739f4e-e55c-11df-b0cb-001cc4c002e0.html

Local chiro killed his wife and dismembered her with a chainsaw.  Her remains (some) were found in the Mississippi River.

I don't look to closely in the water now just because I would hate to come across a body.  There have been quite a few bodies pulled from the Mississippi this past winter.

I live near a dam on the Mississippi.  It tends to be where bodies end up that went, um, missing upstream.  Usually suicides because there are a couple of (unfortunately) popular jumping bridges upstream.  There was a murder victim found under a barge near where I live (http://www.startribune.com/local/east/206819541.html).   While I frequently walk and bike along the river, you couldn't pay me to go kayaking or canoeing in it.  I don't want to be the person who finds somebody in the river.  :(
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Post by: squeakers on April 08, 2014, 02:51:40 PM
I just wandered past this site http://murderpedia.org/ It lists murderers by sex, country, name and even state.   The cases are detailed nicely.... enough to give you nightmares if you read enough of them or read just one that resonates too much.

This one occurred in 1937.. the woman killed herself and her 6 children. http://murderpedia.org/female.N/n/nollen-elsie.htm

There are even older cases which just goes to show that crazy or evil knows no timeline.
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Post by: becktheriddler on April 08, 2014, 03:54:49 PM
Two words. Albert Fish. A true monster
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 08, 2014, 08:52:49 PM
^ Yes.

Dorothea Puente would kill boarders for profit.  http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/women/puente/1.html (http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/women/puente/1.html)
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Post by: BigBadBetty on April 08, 2014, 09:43:35 PM
  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story.
I remember what awful things people said about her, like she was evil incarnate. She was a sad, sick unstable woman who got pushed too far. Her husband was warned that she should not have more children, as well as that she should not be left alone with them. And yet he allowed both of those things to happen.

I believe she is serving life somewhere. I hope she has found some peace from her demons.
Her life sentence was overturned. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity. She is in a low security state mental hospital.
Thanks!  If anyone was legally insane at the time of the crime, that poor woman was.  It is beyond me that anyone could read her testimony and NOT think that she was BSC.  IIRC, she said that she had to kill her children while they were still young and pure enough to go to Heaven, because the Evil One told her that he was going to corrupt them and take them off to the Hot Place. 

And her husband had the gall to state that 'all depressed people needed was a "swift kick in the pants" to get them motivated.'  If anyone is guilty of their murder, HE is, for leaving them alone with a woman that he knew was unbalanced.

Yes! The psychiatrist told them that she should not get pregnant again after her second-to-last child because of her history of PPD. He thought they should have as many children as possible. A second doctor warned him not to leave her alone with the children. Of course, he knew better.
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Post by: gmatoy on April 08, 2014, 09:54:28 PM
  Another one is the horrible, sad Andrea Yates story.
I remember what awful things people said about her, like she was evil incarnate. She was a sad, sick unstable woman who got pushed too far. Her husband was warned that she should not have more children, as well as that she should not be left alone with them. And yet he allowed both of those things to happen.

I believe she is serving life somewhere. I hope she has found some peace from her demons.
Her life sentence was overturned. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity. She is in a low security state mental hospital.
Thanks!  If anyone was legally insane at the time of the crime, that poor woman was.  It is beyond me that anyone could read her testimony and NOT think that she was BSC.  IIRC, she said that she had to kill her children while they were still young and pure enough to go to Heaven, because the Evil One told her that he was going to corrupt them and take them off to the Hot Place. 

And her husband had the gall to state that 'all depressed people needed was a "swift kick in the pants" to get them motivated.'  If anyone is guilty of their murder, HE is, for leaving them alone with a woman that he knew was unbalanced.

Yes! The psychiatrist told them that she should not get pregnant again after her second-to-last child because of her history of PPD. He thought they should have as many children as possible. A second doctor warned him not to leave her alone with the children. Of course, he knew better.

I just want to thank everyone for stating exactly what I thought and said about this "man." My DH thought I was too judgmental; however, I felt that Mr. Yates was more responsible for those deaths than his wife.
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Post by: zyrs on April 09, 2014, 05:18:46 AM
Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laurie_Show
Lets see, you stalk and murder the girl your boyfriend raped, then claim you were framed by cops who gang-raped you? And she actually suckered a judge into believing any of this?

This one has stayed with me since I read about it.  The perpetrators were such train wrecks.

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Post by: TootsNYC on April 09, 2014, 06:54:16 AM
The one that has haunted me was in Belium.

Marc Dutroux

One set of his victims were two girls who had gone for a walk; they were kept underground and when the guy was arrested, they starved to death.

And the cops had so much opportunity to have stopped him.
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Post by: nayberry on April 09, 2014, 07:34:35 AM
Harold Shipman.  His calm self-righteousness chilled me.

crazy coincidence, i knew one of his sons,  there was always something a little odd about him, but then when i saw a pic in the paper and realised the link it made sense.
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Post by: Yarnspinner on April 09, 2014, 08:49:52 AM
Jeffrey Dahmer doing amateur prefrontal lobotomies on his victims with hydrochloric acid and boiling water so they would be controllable.

What chewed at me was the story of how one of his very young victims escaped and ran naked through the streets for help---and the police took him back to Dahmer and there was laughter about the "lovers' spat"--meanwhile, the poor kid, who couldn't speak English, had been inadvertently, but stupidly, betrayed by the people who were supposed to protect him.  The mind, it boggles.
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Post by: Yarnspinner on April 09, 2014, 09:00:32 AM
http://everything2.com/title/Richardson+Family+Murders
And she's only getting 10 years for this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laurie_Show
Lets see, you stalk and murder the girl your boyfriend raped, then claim you were framed by cops who gang-raped you? And she actually suckered a judge into believing any of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer
Just completely disturbing.

No offense, Ashara, but after reading these, I find myself reaching for a big bottle of brain bleach.  More and more I worry over my niece who is just thirteen and her friends who all seem like adorable, sweet girls whose interests run to soccer, horses and Frozen.  And I wonder:  do we really know what's going on inside their heads?

Murders on the order of the Clutter and Richardson families cause me sleepless nights as well...when I am visiting my family, I tend to run around and check locks on doors before I can go to bed.  (Of course, there are usually anywhere from three to nine dogs being fostered at any given time and I suspect we would know about anyone trying to break in before they had reached a window.  Even so....)

One that disturbed me (but had a semi-happy ending) was the case of a young widow in (I think it was) Oklahoma.  She had married her riding instructor who was twenty years her senior.  They had a child shortly before her husband died of health issues.  (I can't remember if it was something like pneumonia or a heart attack.) 

Just after his funeral a very distant acquaintance began to harass her and ask her out.  He had been hounding her before she got married as well.  She kept rejecting him.

Sometime after her  husband's funeral, this guy told his friends he was going to her house to rape and kill her.  Apparently, fueled by alcohol, he convinced another of his buddies to go with him to complete the deed. 

The young woman heard them coming and, without going into detail, defended herself and her son with the 911 operator on the phone to hear what happened.  The buddy got away.  The perpetrator didn't.

I'm sorry she had to kill him, but I can't say this man was exactly a great loss to society at large.
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Post by: doodlemor on April 09, 2014, 09:09:19 AM
..... they were kept underground .....

This case gave me nightmares when it came to light a few years back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case
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Post by: Miss Misery on April 09, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
Ed Gein. He was devoted to his fanatical religious zealot mother, and Ed really went off the deep end when she died.  He killed two women and suspected of several more murders (including his brother). Good ole Ed had a habit of raiding the local cemeteries for body parts. When the police arrived at his house to arrest him they found (among other things):

* Chair seats made from human skin
* Bowls made from human skulls
* A corset made from a female torso skinned from shoulders to waist
* Masks made from the skin from female heads
* A pair of lips on a window shade drawstring
* A belt made from female human nipples

Ed Gein was the inspiration for Norman Bates in Psycho, Leatherface in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre films, and Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs.
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Post by: staceym on April 09, 2014, 10:27:35 AM
Both of the Houston Candyman Murders -

your stories reminded me of another one.  I read the book and didn't know what I was getting into when I read it.

Robert "Willie" Pickton - he was a pig farmer in Vancouver.  He slaughtered and made/sold sausage and yes, sometimes the sausage was not made of just pork  :o.     This went on for years and one of the reasons is that he mainly targeted prostitutes.   

There was so much mismanagement of this whole case; from the police never really following up on missing persons reports (mainly due to the women being prostitutes); to Pickton sweet talking them when they did eventually come to investigate. 

The trial (s) were a joke themselves -the first one ended (I think) in a mis-trial due to the judge giving out wrong info to the jury.  The second trial went better -he received life without parole (for the first 25 years).  But there was still a lot of back and forth appealing.

I just went to look up to see where he is now and my goodness appeals and whatnot are still going on.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 09, 2014, 10:35:37 AM
^ There is a Criminal Minds episode based on that case. It is very creepy.
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Post by: Miss Misery on April 09, 2014, 11:51:48 AM
Mary Bell, murdered two children in 1968.


Did I mention Mary Bell herself was all of 10 years old at the time?
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Post by: rose red on April 09, 2014, 12:35:44 PM
Ugh. I just remembered a book I read years ago about haunted houses. The story of LaLaurie Mansion sickened me. I don't even remember the others stories in the book, but this one stayed with me because it's so disturbing. Even during the horrific era of slavery, what she did sickened the community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphine_LaLaurie
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Post by: nuit93 on April 09, 2014, 12:35:49 PM
Mary Bell, murdered two children in 1968.


Did I mention Mary Bell herself was all of 10 years old at the time?

Isn't she free and living under a different name now?
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Post by: mechtilde on April 09, 2014, 01:15:34 PM
Mary Bell, murdered two children in 1968.


Did I mention Mary Bell herself was all of 10 years old at the time?

Isn't she free and living under a different name now?

She has a daughter, and is now a grandmother. She has not committed any further crimes.
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Post by: Hillia on April 09, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
Probably one of the worst things I've ever read, and I like true crime stories:

http://us.cnn.com/2014/03/12/justice/maryland-teens-assault-autistic-boy/?iref=obnetwork (http://us.cnn.com/2014/03/12/justice/maryland-teens-assault-autistic-boy/?iref=obnetwork)
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Post by: Asharah on April 09, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/theresa_cross/index.html
This woman has no right to the title "Mother"
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/loeb/index_1.html
Thank God one of them was dumb enough to drop his glasses!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/moxley/index_1.html
It's disgraceful how long her family had to wait for an arrest.
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Post by: TootsNYC on April 09, 2014, 01:58:18 PM
Re: Delphine LaLaurie: the discovery is a plot point in Barbara Hambly's "Fever Season," part of the excellent Benjamin January series.

http://www.amazon.com/Fever-Season-Benjamin-January-Book/dp/0553575279
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 09, 2014, 02:48:40 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/29/us/man-killed-son-to-spite-wife-prosecutors-say.html

My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.

I too vaguely recall a similar story. I lived in Chicago then. I think the murder happened at least 10 years ago and probably more, and for some reason I think they lived in Indiana, not sure where, but the story was so disturbing I'm surprised Court TV, which was still Court TV, didn't glom onto it. I only heard about it on the local news and in the paper, and then nothing.

But I soon forgot about it as there was no further publicity. I figured the guy pled out to avoid the death penalty and went off to spend his life in the big house. His account of the premeditation and plotting to kill a child for revenge on his wife was beyond chilling. I believe his revenge was based on her cheating on him prior to their wedding. Because something like that justifies what this low life did, right?

I found this link for a similar story - he was mad that his GF didn't cut short her cruise when his farher died, so he married her, got her pregnant, waited, and killed the kid. So she would suffer the way he did when his dad died.

The death was initially ruled SIDS - had he not confessed, he might have gotten away with it!

Sorry - link is at the top of the post. My tablet is being annoying at me.
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Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on April 09, 2014, 04:42:26 PM
There was a case in SE Michigan about 15 years ago.  A teenage boy was found tied to a tree.  His story was that he and his girlfriend were in the park when they were accosted by a stranger with a gun.  The stranger tied the teenager up, and abducted the girl.  She was never found.

The teenager wasn't quite 18 years old, so the media did not release his name, but it was obvious that the police considered the teenager responsible, even though they lacked enough evidence to arrest him.

Two years pass.  A young teenage girl darts out into the middle of the road, screaming that a man is chasing her.  A motorist stops, rescues the girl, and sees enough of the license plate for the police to track down the man chasing her.

Once arrested, the man admitted to killing several teenage girls, including the one whose boyfriend he had tied to a tree.  He even led the police to that girl's body.

What gave me chills about this story was that someone completely innocent, who had been subjected to a terrifying encounter with evil, was himself considered guilty for over two years.  And it was only chance that exonerated him.
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Post by: Cherry91 on April 09, 2014, 05:03:01 PM
There was a case in SE Michigan about 15 years ago.  A teenage boy was found tied to a tree.  His story was that he and his girlfriend were in the park when they were accosted by a stranger with a gun.  The stranger tied the teenager up, and abducted the girl.  She was never found.

The teenager wasn't quite 18 years old, so the media did not release his name, but it was obvious that the police considered the teenager responsible, even though they lacked enough evidence to arrest him.

Two years pass.  A young teenage girl darts out into the middle of the road, screaming that a man is chasing her.  A motorist stops, rescues the girl, and sees enough of the license plate for the police to track down the man chasing her.

Once arrested, the man admitted to killing several teenage girls, including the one whose boyfriend he had tied to a tree.  He even led the police to that girl's body.

What gave me chills about this story was that someone completely innocent, who had been subjected to a terrifying encounter with evil, was himself considered guilty for over two years.  And it was only chance that exonerated him.

But... how could he have tied himself to the tree? Was he suspected of having an accomplice?
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Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on April 09, 2014, 05:08:35 PM
There were some police who felt that the tying up was "staged," in that they thought he could have somehow done it himself.  The newspapers made it sound as if the ties were so loose that he sould have been able to get out of them by himself without having to wait to be untied.  He was also extensively questioned as to whether he had someone else with him.
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Post by: Hillia on April 09, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
There was a case in San Antonio years ago, maybe late 80's.  A woman was found in her car, with horrible 3rd degree burns over most of her body.  She told police that she had been carjacked in the parking lot of a grocery store, robbed, and set on fire.  She lived for a few days in horrible pain, and stuck to that story to the end.

Sadly, it was revealed after she died that there was security footage of her going in to the grocery store and purchasing lighter fluid and matches, then driving away alone.  It was also revealed that she was going to be fired that day for embezzling several thousand dollars from her employer, and criminal charges were likely.  The theory was that she had made up the attack in an attempt to buy time and sympathy.

I just can't wrap my head around this desperate woman clinging to what she thought was a solution, even while suffering terribly.
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Post by: Cherry91 on April 09, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
There was a case in San Antonio years ago, maybe late 80's.  A woman was found in her car, with horrible 3rd degree burns over most of her body.  She told police that she had been carjacked in the parking lot of a grocery store, robbed, and set on fire.  She lived for a few days in horrible pain, and stuck to that story to the end.

Sadly, it was revealed after she died that there was security footage of her going in to the grocery store and purchasing lighter fluid and matches, then driving away alone.  It was also revealed that she was going to be fired that day for embezzling several thousand dollars from her employer, and criminal charges were likely.  The theory was that she had made up the attack in an attempt to buy time and sympathy.

I just can't wrap my head around this desperate woman clinging to what she thought was a solution, even while suffering terribly.

Wasn't there a woman who stated she was attacked a few years ago and claimed that the attack was racially motivated (she was white, and her "attackers" were supposedly black)? And then it turned out she'd made the whole thing up, but not before seriously racketing up tensions in the area?
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Post by: Dr. F. on April 09, 2014, 06:01:46 PM
Probably one of the worst things I've ever read, and I like true crime stories:

http://us.cnn.com/2014/03/12/justice/maryland-teens-assault-autistic-boy/?iref=obnetwork (http://us.cnn.com/2014/03/12/justice/maryland-teens-assault-autistic-boy/?iref=obnetwork)

What's even more disturbing is that, in recent interviews, his mother has said that the boy still considers these girls "friends," and doesn't understand how what they did was wrong.

It's upsetting on all kinds of different levels.
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Post by: nuit93 on April 09, 2014, 06:12:14 PM
There was a case in San Antonio years ago, maybe late 80's.  A woman was found in her car, with horrible 3rd degree burns over most of her body.  She told police that she had been carjacked in the parking lot of a grocery store, robbed, and set on fire.  She lived for a few days in horrible pain, and stuck to that story to the end.

Sadly, it was revealed after she died that there was security footage of her going in to the grocery store and purchasing lighter fluid and matches, then driving away alone.  It was also revealed that she was going to be fired that day for embezzling several thousand dollars from her employer, and criminal charges were likely.  The theory was that she had made up the attack in an attempt to buy time and sympathy.

I just can't wrap my head around this desperate woman clinging to what she thought was a solution, even while suffering terribly.

Wasn't there a woman who stated she was attacked a few years ago and claimed that the attack was racially motivated (she was white, and her "attackers" were supposedly black)? And then it turned out she'd made the whole thing up, but not before seriously racketing up tensions in the area?

Honestly, I think there's been a few cases like that...
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Post by: rose red on April 09, 2014, 06:56:08 PM
There was a case in San Antonio years ago, maybe late 80's.  A woman was found in her car, with horrible 3rd degree burns over most of her body.  She told police that she had been carjacked in the parking lot of a grocery store, robbed, and set on fire.  She lived for a few days in horrible pain, and stuck to that story to the end.

Sadly, it was revealed after she died that there was security footage of her going in to the grocery store and purchasing lighter fluid and matches, then driving away alone.  It was also revealed that she was going to be fired that day for embezzling several thousand dollars from her employer, and criminal charges were likely.  The theory was that she had made up the attack in an attempt to buy time and sympathy.

I just can't wrap my head around this desperate woman clinging to what she thought was a solution, even while suffering terribly.

Wasn't there a woman who stated she was attacked a few years ago and claimed that the attack was racially motivated (she was white, and her "attackers" were supposedly black)? And then it turned out she'd made the whole thing up, but not before seriously racketing up tensions in the area?

Honestly, I think there's been a few cases like that...

First one I thought of is Susan Smith.
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Post by: kherbert05 on April 09, 2014, 07:21:37 PM

Wasn't there a woman who stated she was attacked a few years ago and claimed that the attack was racially motivated (she was white, and her "attackers" were supposedly black)? And then it turned out she'd made the whole thing up, but not before seriously racketing up tensions in the area?

Honestly, I think there's been a few cases like that...
Charles Stuart (http://goo.gl/932qEh)




Murdered his wife and unborn child, blamed a "black Man" resulting in massive man hunt that violated many people's basic civil rights. His brother confessed about what really happened and Charles killed himself.
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Post by: cass2591 on April 09, 2014, 07:41:27 PM
jedikaiti, that's the story I remember. I'm surprised it went to trial, but if the defendant insists, that's their right. I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know the details but dude, you admitted over and over you killed your kid so what do you expect from a trial?

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Post by: jedikaiti on April 09, 2014, 07:56:05 PM
jedikaiti, that's the story I remember. I'm surprised it went to trial, but if the defendant insists, that's their right. I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know the details but dude, you admitted over and over you killed your kid so what do you expect from a trial?

I got the sense it wasn't only his wife who bonded with the kid... hence his compulsive confessing.
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Post by: VorFemme on April 09, 2014, 08:10:50 PM
jedikaiti, that's the story I remember. I'm surprised it went to trial, but if the defendant insists, that's their right. I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know the details but dude, you admitted over and over you killed your kid so what do you expect from a trial?

I got the sense it wasn't only his wife who bonded with the kid... hence his compulsive confessing.

I read an article after seeing the link - he mentioned in his repeated confessions that he couldn't forget his son's face...

Sounds like someone who got so caught up in his plans that he left his own feelings "out of consideration" until he'd followed the steps of his plan.  Then realized that he'd really "cut off his nose to spite his face".  Because now he'd lost his father and his son...and that the "revenge" he'd thought about was not what he really wanted after all...

But it was a little late...
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Post by: Allyson on April 09, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
I am incredibly disturbed by the idea that someone would marry someone, father a child, and live with them for years all...planning revenge this whole time. It just boggles my mind. I can't help but wonder, how did he behave? Did he and his wife have normal evenings, watch movies, go to bed, all the while he was planning to do this to her? Did she ever get the feeling that something was wrong? These are the thoughts that haunt me about cases like this....
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 09, 2014, 09:46:34 PM

Wasn't there a woman who stated she was attacked a few years ago and claimed that the attack was racially motivated (she was white, and her "attackers" were supposedly black)? And then it turned out she'd made the whole thing up, but not before seriously racketing up tensions in the area?

There was a case in NY, but back in the 80s, but it was a teenage girl, and it turned out her allegations were false.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations
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Post by: Elfmama on April 09, 2014, 10:44:19 PM
Folks, let's just leave it said that both blacks and whites have a record of accusing the others unjustly.  Because I think that if it goes any further, this thread may get locked. 
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 09, 2014, 11:06:39 PM
I think PJ O'Rourke said it best (I may be paraphrasing a bit)... but "Evil doesn't come from <insert list of various insensitive slang terms for various races/ethnic backgrounds/religions>. It comes from the heart."
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Post by: Klein Bottle on April 10, 2014, 09:30:10 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/29/us/man-killed-son-to-spite-wife-prosecutors-say.html

My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.

I too vaguely recall a similar story. I lived in Chicago then. I think the murder happened at least 10 years ago and probably more, and for some reason I think they lived in Indiana, not sure where, but the story was so disturbing I'm surprised Court TV, which was still Court TV, didn't glom onto it. I only heard about it on the local news and in the paper, and then nothing.

But I soon forgot about it as there was no further publicity. I figured the guy pled out to avoid the death penalty and went off to spend his life in the big house. His account of the premeditation and plotting to kill a child for revenge on his wife was beyond chilling. I believe his revenge was based on her cheating on him prior to their wedding. Because something like that justifies what this low life did, right?

I found this link for a similar story - he was mad that his GF didn't cut short her cruise when his farher died, so he married her, got her pregnant, waited, and killed the kid. So she would suffer the way he did when his dad died.

The death was initially ruled SIDS - had he not confessed, he might have gotten away with it!

Sorry - link is at the top of the post. My tablet is being annoying at me.

That one has haunted me for years, and I could not remember any of the names or details to find out what had eventually happened.  Glad someone else remembered this case. 

My own son was a little toddler when this was reported, and the very center of my universe.  It is still difficult for me to comprehend the evil and coldness in that man's heart to plan and carry out this twisted plot over a span of years.   He had so many chances to change his mind, so many things could have gone one way or another to have prevented this.  I wonder how that poor mom is doing.  That man took away her whole world.
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Post by: wolfie on April 10, 2014, 09:38:34 AM
Folks, let's just leave it said that both blacks and whites have a record of accusing the others unjustly.  Because I think that if it goes any further, this thread may get locked.

I always wondered if that is because when you describe someone you tend to describe people you know. But then you change the race and voila - you no longer accidentally accused your own brother of a crime you committed.
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Post by: Cherry91 on April 10, 2014, 10:47:01 AM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/theresa_cross/index.html
This woman has no right to the title "Mother"
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/loeb/index_1.html
Thank God one of them was dumb enough to drop his glasses!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/moxley/index_1.html
It's disgraceful how long her family had to wait for an arrest.

...Why did I only just discover this database?!

Goodbye productivity. Eh, it's almost the end of the week anyway...
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Post by: Mikayla on April 10, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/theresa_cross/index.html
This woman has no right to the title "Mother"
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/loeb/index_1.html
Thank God one of them was dumb enough to drop his glasses!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/moxley/index_1.html
It's disgraceful how long her family had to wait for an arrest.

...Why did I only just discover this database?!

Goodbye productivity. Eh, it's almost the end of the week anyway...

Heh...that's how I feel about ID Channel.  I didn't even know it existed and now I've got my roomie addicted to it, too. 
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Post by: TootsNYC on April 10, 2014, 11:09:02 AM
There was a case in SE Michigan about 15 years ago.  A teenage boy was found tied to a tree.  His story was that he and his girlfriend were in the park when they were accosted by a stranger with a gun.  The stranger tied the teenager up, and abducted the girl.  She was never found.

The teenager wasn't quite 18 years old, so the media did not release his name, but it was obvious that the police considered the teenager responsible, even though they lacked enough evidence to arrest him.


They thought he tied himself to a tree?
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Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on April 10, 2014, 11:32:59 AM
There was a case in SE Michigan about 15 years ago.  A teenage boy was found tied to a tree.  His story was that he and his girlfriend were in the park when they were accosted by a stranger with a gun.  The stranger tied the teenager up, and abducted the girl.  She was never found.

The teenager wasn't quite 18 years old, so the media did not release his name, but it was obvious that the police considered the teenager responsible, even though they lacked enough evidence to arrest him.


They thought he tied himself to a tree?

Yes, they did. 

There was another case in Michigan about 15 years ago.  Woman had been abducted from a Bar/Restaurant about a mile from where I live.  She was raped and dumped back at the parking lot where she had been abducted from the next morning.

The next day, there is an update: the alleged rapist contacted the police.  "I didn't rape her!  It was a pickup from the bar, and I drove her back to her car.  She even made me breakfast, and I have her fingerprints all over my kitchen." 

Then the Bar maintenance guy comes forward.  He had just been coming in to work when the woman was returned to the bar.  The janitor said, "She was hugging and kissing him, and thanking him for a great night."

Come to find out the woman was married and her husband was out of town.  She decided to have a good time, and came home to find her husband there, 4 days early, and she made the story up.

That one didn't give me chills: it made me so angry that I was seeing red.  All the women who have been brutally raped and used who had their charges ignored because "the woman just makes it up," and this idiot did it.
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Post by: audhs on April 10, 2014, 11:38:19 AM
Along the lines of made up stories there was Dar Heatherington an city politician from Alberta who made up a bizarre tale of being kidnapped, after having claimed to have been stalked.

The police believe she wrote the stalker letters herself and staged the kidnapping.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 10, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
Bonnie Sweeten, who faked her kidnapping with her 9 year old daughter and has been convicted of fraud in a related case of stealing from the elderly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/26/disney-world-hoax-mom-sentenced_n_1234483.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/26/disney-world-hoax-mom-sentenced_n_1234483.html)
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Post by: Asharah on April 10, 2014, 12:05:19 PM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/theresa_cross/index.html
This woman has no right to the title "Mother"
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/loeb/index_1.html
Thank God one of them was dumb enough to drop his glasses!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/moxley/index_1.html
It's disgraceful how long her family had to wait for an arrest.
...Why did I only just discover this database?!

Goodbye productivity. Eh, it's almost the end of the week anyway...

Heh...that's how I feel about ID Channel.  I didn't even know it existed and now I've got my roomie addicted to it, too.
So glad I could be of help!  ;D
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Post by: Miss Misery on April 10, 2014, 02:34:51 PM
Mother of the Year was having potty training issues with her daughter, so mom's idea of motivation was to kick her daughter in the stomach, beat her with a milk jug, and super-glue her hands to the wall. The daughter suffered bleeding to brain, a fractured rib, and was in a coma for a few days.

During her sentencing Mommy Dearest tried to win sympathy by playing the 'Boo-Hoo, I had a terrible childhood' card. The court was unmoved. She was sentenced to 99 years and must serve at least 30 before she's eligible for parole.
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Post by: AzaleaBloom on April 10, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
In my hometown, a prominent local blogger was brutally murdered by his teenage daughter's boyfriend.  The boyfriend and the daughter had been planning it for months.  Blogger's fiance' was also supposed to be killed that night, but blogger fought back hard enough that she was unharmed. 

The boyfriend pled guilty, the daughter is still undergoing evaluations to see if she's fit to stand trial and whether she will be charged as a juvenile or an adult.  I used to read the guy's blog on a daily basis, and the love he had for his daughter came through when he would talk about her.  The whole thing was so horrifying - especially since I have a friend who works at the school where the daughter and boyfriend went, and she knew them.

 
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Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on April 10, 2014, 03:58:09 PM
jedikaiti, that's the story I remember. I'm surprised it went to trial, but if the defendant insists, that's their right. I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know the details but dude, you admitted over and over you killed your kid so what do you expect from a trial?

I got the sense it wasn't only his wife who bonded with the kid... hence his compulsive confessing.

I read an article after seeing the link - he mentioned in his repeated confessions that he couldn't forget his son's face...

Sounds like someone who got so caught up in his plans that he left his own feelings "out of consideration" until he'd followed the steps of his plan.  Then realized that he'd really "cut off his nose to spite his face".  Because now he'd lost his father and his son...and that the "revenge" he'd thought about was not what he really wanted after all...

But it was a little late...

Sounds like an Edgar Allen Poe story.
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Post by: VorFemme on April 10, 2014, 05:32:37 PM
jedikaiti, that's the story I remember. I'm surprised it went to trial, but if the defendant insists, that's their right. I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know the details but dude, you admitted over and over you killed your kid so what do you expect from a trial?

I got the sense it wasn't only his wife who bonded with the kid... hence his compulsive confessing.

I read an article after seeing the link - he mentioned in his repeated confessions that he couldn't forget his son's face...

Sounds like someone who got so caught up in his plans that he left his own feelings "out of consideration" until he'd followed the steps of his plan.  Then realized that he'd really "cut off his nose to spite his face".  Because now he'd lost his father and his son...and that the "revenge" he'd thought about was not what he really wanted after all...

But it was a little late...

Sounds like an Edgar Allen Poe story.

It does, doesn't it?

Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Kiara on April 10, 2014, 06:54:49 PM
Have two:

First one I remembered after this thread and the other one started making me look up "what murders happened in your area."  http://crime.about.com/od/juvenile/a/larryswartz.htm (http://crime.about.com/od/juvenile/a/larryswartz.htm)  This happened like 500 feet from my high school.  I remember getting the book (Sudden Fury) out of the library, having no idea what it was about, and the slow dread when I read it and went "I know where that is, and who that is...."  (Interesting side note: he was adopted after getting out of prison as an adult: http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/larry-swartz-murderer-adopted (http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/larry-swartz-murderer-adopted) )

Second one is the Beltway sniper case.  I remember living here and how you changed how you did EVERYTHING because you were scared to death you would be next.  No more staying outside the car to get gas.  I wouldn't get out of the car at fast food places, even if the drive through line was long.  And the not knowing where they'd be, so nowhere was really "safe."  I pass the rest stop where they were caught fairly often, and every time I remember how the whole area was scared for months.
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Post by: Mikayla on April 10, 2014, 07:09:23 PM
^I can't believe I forgot the Beltway Sniper!   I was in that Home Depot parking lot at 7 Corners a couple hours before he shot that lady.  It was so random - gas stations, parking lots, even a school I believe.  You knew your odds were very small, but when it's so random, that doesn't even help.
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Post by: Amara on April 10, 2014, 07:24:33 PM
I was living in Los Angeles during the Manson murders. The morning after the first set of murders was horrifying but even that was nothing compared to the next morning after the LaBianca's were found. I think the entire city was paralyzed with fear; I know I was. No one yet knew who or why or when the next attack would come.

Later, I read Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi and that rather ramped up those feelings again. It was the last true crime book I ever read (it was also only about the third one in my life to that point).
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Post by: Kiara on April 10, 2014, 09:33:34 PM
^I can't believe I forgot the Beltway Sniper!   I was in that Home Depot parking lot at 7 Corners a couple hours before he shot that lady.  It was so random - gas stations, parking lots, even a school I believe.  You knew your odds were very small, but when it's so random, that doesn't even help.

Exactly.  I live north of the city, but when they were moving from DC, to Virginia, to the suburbs....you didn't feel safe anywhere.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 10, 2014, 09:45:29 PM
There are highway shootings currently happening in Kansas City. 20 in one month.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/kansas-city-shootings/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/kansas-city-shootings/)
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Post by: PastryGoddess on April 10, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
A friend of mine disappeared during our junior year of high school.  A few weeks later her body was found in a shallow grave about a mile from my house.  Her boyfriend (a friend of mine) was arrested and convicted of killing her.  Pretty much the a quarter of the senior class and all members of the volleyball and field hockey team were subpoenaed and required to testify at the trial. 
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Post by: HoneyBee42 on April 10, 2014, 10:54:41 PM
There was one about 45 miles from where I grew up, back during the 80s (even though the guy eventually got off on a retrial).  Man was a traveling saleman, had a wife and three children.  He's out of the state and calls police asking them to check on the family, they do and find that the wife and three children have been hacked to death with an axe.

His alibi was that he wasn't there because he was out of state.  Still, it was kind of a hole-filled alibi and then there was one little tidbit that is what really gave me the chills.  (I got this info from someone I knew who was on the scene).  The victims had all been tucked into bed under electric blankets (supposition being that it was to try to disguise the time of death, that he'd really done it, then left for his business trip, while trying to make it look like they hadn't been dead quite so long (keeping the body temps up). 

I'm not really sure why his original conviction was overturned, but it was, and he got off on the re-trial and then moved to yet another state.
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 10, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
Second one is the Beltway sniper case.  I remember living here and how you changed how you did EVERYTHING because you were scared to death you would be next.  No more staying outside the car to get gas.  I wouldn't get out of the car at fast food places, even if the drive through line was long.  And the not knowing where they'd be, so nowhere was really "safe."  I pass the rest stop where they were caught fairly often, and every time I remember how the whole area was scared for months.

I remember choosing my gas stations based on where a sniper could hide and likely escape routes. My roomie quit driving and just took the metro.
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Post by: Two Ravens on April 11, 2014, 06:39:01 AM
I was living in Los Angeles during the Manson murders. The morning after the first set of murders was horrifying but even that was nothing compared to the next morning after the LaBianca's were found. I think the entire city was paralyzed with fear; I know I was. No one yet knew who or why or when the next attack would come.

Later, I read Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi and that rather ramped up those feelings again. It was the last true crime book I ever read (it was also only about the third one in my life to that point).

For me, one of the most disturbing things about that book was the description of how the Manson family members used to "creepy-crawl." They'd break into people's houses while they were asleep and crawl around on the floor, sometimes  even rearranging stuff in the house.  :o That, for some reason, made my skin crawl even more than the murders. Not something to think about right before bed...
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 11, 2014, 10:06:15 AM
I was living in Los Angeles during the Manson murders. The morning after the first set of murders was horrifying but even that was nothing compared to the next morning after the LaBianca's were found. I think the entire city was paralyzed with fear; I know I was. No one yet knew who or why or when the next attack would come.

Later, I read Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi and that rather ramped up those feelings again. It was the last true crime book I ever read (it was also only about the third one in my life to that point).

For me, one of the most disturbing things about that book was the description of how the Manson family members used to "creepy-crawl." They'd break into people's houses while they were asleep and crawl around on the floor, sometimes  even rearranging stuff in the house.  :o That, for some reason, made my skin crawl even more than the murders. Not something to think about right before bed...

Very very creepy and scary. even today, when you see pictures of him, he still looks frightening. I can remember in college, driving on the Baltimore Beltway, next a an old, beat up van. And the driver looked JUST like Charles Manson. Right down to the eyes. We thankfully got off shortly after that, but wow, we were scared to death! Even though he was securely tucked away in prison.
Title: Re: S/O of Unsolved RL Crimes - What solved crime will always give you the chills?
Post by: Moonie on April 11, 2014, 10:10:04 AM
There are highway shootings currently happening in Kansas City. 20 in one month.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/kansas-city-shootings/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/kansas-city-shootings/)

I live in the Kansas City area, and I'll tell you...this is really scary. I hope they find the person or persons responsible for this soon. Unfortunately, with all the media hype, I'm afraid that there will be copycats.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 11, 2014, 10:14:57 AM
I'm in Florida and there has not been one mention of it on the news media I see. Only because I look at US news reports on Google News do I know about it.

I hope the perpetrator(s) is caught soon.
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Post by: Wulfie on April 11, 2014, 10:34:43 AM
The Green River Murders.  I worked for a couple of years right next door to the Kenworth paintshop where Gary Ridgeway worked. He passed less than 40 feet from my window on a daily basis. 

We are currently taking a course through our local police department (Community Police Academy) and the class 2 weeks ago had one of the officers who worked with Ridgeway after he was arrested during the plea deal process when they were getting all the details about where he dumped the bodies.  She said it was really creepy because he has an IQ in the 80s. (I don’t remember the exact number) but when it came to murder, he was brilliant. She also recounted some of the many times he was nearly caught.  One time he was standing on the bank and a boater was floating down the Green River who waved at him and chatted with him for a moment.  Gary had the body of one of his victims in the grass at his feet. The grass was so high that she was hidden from the river. He claims that he stopped killing because he met his wife but the officer said that was kind of interesting since he made a couple of the kills after the two of them were together.

Another time the location where they were holding him in secret was flooded by the river (different river) and they had to be inspected for damage by the fire department. They had to sneak him out of the building and they drove around the area with him. When they called to give them the all clear to come back, they said there was going to be a delay, they were getting the serial killer a cheeseburger. Yep, they went through the drive through with him. :D . One of the other students asked if they ever developed a friendly bond with him or anything like that, nope, he was creepy and would sit for hours staring off into space at nothing.

It was one of the creepiest and yet interesting classes in the program so far.
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 11, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
What is this program? Sounds fascinating!
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Post by: Wulfie on April 11, 2014, 01:00:16 PM
It is a 13 week program that our local police put on. (King County Sheriff here in Washington). Each week we learn about  different aspects of the police department. ie, this week we had the Major Accident Investigation team, one of the School resource officers and a bit about block watch and the crime triangle. We got to meet a bunch of the police K-9s and learned about patrol procedures last week (That was REALLY fun, those dogs are incredible!) Upcoming we have a chance to go to the police gun range (yes, we get to shoot), learn a bit about self defense, go to the new jail and learn about the booking process, see Guardian One (the police helicopter) all sorts of really neat things. Some of them have been a bit disturbing such as when the homicide detectives came in and talked but they warn you ahead of time if it is going to be graphic.

We are lucky in that the police academy is just down the road so we are able to use some of their classrooms/ranges for some of the classes and after we graduate we can go on a ride along with one of the officers in our area if we want. 
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Post by: Redneck Gravy on April 11, 2014, 01:39:20 PM
There was a 2 year old girl murdered here when I was about 7 years old.  It was the next door neighbor, a policeman, that raped & killed her.

I have never completely recovered from that trauma.

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Post by: Queen of Clubs on April 11, 2014, 02:55:31 PM
Mother of the Year was having potty training issues with her daughter, so mom's idea of motivation was to kick her daughter in the stomach, beat her with a milk jug, and super-glue her hands to the wall. The daughter suffered bleeding to brain, a fractured rib, and was in a coma for a few days.

During her sentencing Mommy Dearest tried to win sympathy by playing the 'Boo-Hoo, I had a terrible childhood' card. The court was unmoved. She was sentenced to 99 years and must serve at least 30 before she's eligible for parole.

Ian Watkins' (Lost Prophets singer) was on trial for child rape.  Alongside him were the two mothers of his victims as they knew what he'd been doing and helped him molest their own children.  During the trial, the lawyer for one of the mothers said:

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she was clearly remorseful for her behaviour and the loss of her child was her punishment.

Uh no.  The loss of her child was to protect the child as it was obvious the mother concerned wouldn't and hadn't.

Honestly, trying to cite that to persuade the judge to give a lesser sentence?

Apart from Ian Watkins, one of the true crime stories that still haunts me is Fred West - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West).  With his wife, Rosemary, he kidnapped, raped, tortured then murdered a number of women, including one of Fred's own daughters.  He committed suicide while waiting trial, but Rose West was jailed for life.
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Post by: nuit93 on April 11, 2014, 03:06:07 PM
It is a 13 week program that our local police put on. (King County Sheriff here in Washington). Each week we learn about  different aspects of the police department. ie, this week we had the Major Accident Investigation team, one of the School resource officers and a bit about block watch and the crime triangle. We got to meet a bunch of the police K-9s and learned about patrol procedures last week (That was REALLY fun, those dogs are incredible!) Upcoming we have a chance to go to the police gun range (yes, we get to shoot), learn a bit about self defense, go to the new jail and learn about the booking process, see Guardian One (the police helicopter) all sorts of really neat things. Some of them have been a bit disturbing such as when the homicide detectives came in and talked but they warn you ahead of time if it is going to be graphic.

We are lucky in that the police academy is just down the road so we are able to use some of their classrooms/ranges for some of the classes and after we graduate we can go on a ride along with one of the officers in our area if we want.

That sounds awesome!  Reminds me of a class I took at the University of Washington about the sociology of murder.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on April 11, 2014, 03:32:44 PM
A man was booked today in Illinois for raping a 4-year old girl. He broke into the apartment, and the adults left the room.
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Post by: andi on April 11, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
[quote author=Miss Misery link=topic=133080.msg3134014#msg3134014

Apart from Ian Watkins, one of the true crime stories that still haunts me is Fred West - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West).  With his wife, Rosemary, he kidnapped, raped, tortured then murdered a number of women, including one of Fred's own daughters.  He committed suicide while waiting trial, but Rose West was jailed for life.

Wow. I should not have just read that - I feel like I need to throw up.
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Post by: HoneyBee42 on April 11, 2014, 04:55:04 PM
Mother of the Year was having potty training issues with her daughter, so mom's idea of motivation was to kick her daughter in the stomach, beat her with a milk jug, and super-glue her hands to the wall. The daughter suffered bleeding to brain, a fractured rib, and was in a coma for a few days.

During her sentencing Mommy Dearest tried to win sympathy by playing the 'Boo-Hoo, I had a terrible childhood' card. The court was unmoved. She was sentenced to 99 years and must serve at least 30 before she's eligible for parole.

Ian Watkins' (Lost Prophets singer) was on trial for child rape.  Alongside him were the two mothers of his victims as they knew what he'd been doing and helped him molest their own children.  During the trial, the lawyer for one of the mothers said:

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she was clearly remorseful for her behaviour and the loss of her child was her punishment.

Uh no.  The loss of her child was to protect the child as it was obvious the mother concerned wouldn't and hadn't.

Honestly, trying to cite that to persuade the judge to give a lesser sentence?


Rather like the apocryphal (I believe--I don't know of an actual case) of a man who kills his parents and begs for mercy because he's an orphan.
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Post by: JeanFromBNA on April 11, 2014, 06:59:50 PM
I lived in L.A. when the night stalker murders were occurring.  It was a frightening time, and everybody talked about it.  I remember his mug shot on the front page of the L.A. Times  http://documents.latimes.com/police-identify-stalker-suspect/ when the police identified him on August 31, 1985. 

His reign of terror had made such an impression that he was hunted down and captured by citizens when he got off the bus in East L.A.:  Everybody knew his face now, and he had nowhere to hide.  http://documents.latimes.com/citizens-capture-night-stalker/ .  It was September 1, 1985.

Both the crimes, and his capture gave me chills.
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Post by: bansidhe on April 11, 2014, 07:08:16 PM
My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.

Yeah...I see this one has already been covered. I can't remember names or anything either, but boy has the story stuck with me for a long time. Ugh.
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Post by: bansidhe on April 11, 2014, 07:15:21 PM
The Firefighters Union Hall/Moon Smoke Shop murders in Tucson, AZ: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/23293938/firefighters-union-hall-murders-17-years-later.
Maribeth Munn was a co-worker and was in a couple of computer classes I taught.

Skye Hanson and Tina Loesch: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/11/19/suspects-in-18-hot-tub-murder-found-dead-after-tv-profile-on-case/.
I went over to their house, invited them over to mine, and was going to ask them to house-sit for my husband and me if we ever went out of town. They were living under assumed names at the time and were friends of a friend of mine. Neither of us knew who they really were or that they'd killed several people. The body of Tina's son has never been found.
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Post by: Elfmama on April 11, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
My memory of details is very vague, but I remember reading about a man who was angry at his wife.  So he convinced her to get pregnant, then waited til the baby was about 6 months old and killed it. That's bad enough, but he told investigators he waited til the baby was 6 months old so his wife would have time to bond and the death would hurt her more.

Yeah...I see this one has already been covered. I can't remember names or anything either, but boy has the story stuck with me for a long time. Ugh.
I am a barbarian.  I believe in capital punishment.  That being said, it is my opinion that hanging is too good for that scum-suckin' bottom-dweller. Even being smeared with honey and staked to a fire-ant mound is too good for him.   He should have a picture of his son screwed to the wall of his cell; the baby that he was, and an age-progressed picture to let him see just what he had killed.  And if it's available, a loop through the sound system of his wife's anguished 911 call. 
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Post by: Fliss on April 11, 2014, 10:46:48 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tjandamurra_O%27Shane

This kid's a hero for all the right reasons.
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Post by: jaybee21nz on April 12, 2014, 12:38:01 AM
http://www.crime.co.nz/c-files.aspx?ID=24864

Teresa Cormack.  She was abducted while walking to school and things changed after  that. A lot more kids weren't allowed to walk to school and it resonated in sleepy NZ.   
Their were others - Karla Cardno - but she's the one that sticks out.
The guy was caught in 2002 whenDNA had advanced.
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Post by: cass2591 on April 12, 2014, 01:07:20 AM
Please, no discussion of capital punishment, pro or con, or I'll slam this shut. Also, no posts about what methods of punishment that the US Constitution has deemed cruel and unusual.

IOW, don't be gross.
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Post by: Cherry91 on April 12, 2014, 06:57:42 AM
The Firefighters Union Hall/Moon Smoke Shop murders in Tucson, AZ: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/23293938/firefighters-union-hall-murders-17-years-later.
Maribeth Munn was a co-worker and was in a couple of computer classes I taught.

Skye Hanson and Tina Loesch: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/11/19/suspects-in-18-hot-tub-murder-found-dead-after-tv-profile-on-case/.
I went over to their house, invited them over to mine, and was going to ask them to house-sit for my husband and me if we ever went out of town. They were living under assumed names at the time and were friends of a friend of mine. Neither of us knew who they really were or that they'd killed several people. The body of Tina's son has never been found.

Oh my goodness, that's scary. I guess that goes to show what many people say - they look just like everyone else.
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Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on April 15, 2014, 09:15:54 AM
WARNING: this is very upsetting, regarding violence toward a young child

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precious_Doe
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/10/07/precious-does-mom-testifies-watched-daughter-get-attacked/

I lived near Kansas City at the time, and Precious Doe was all over the local news for months. I was practically in shock when they finally dentified her 4 years later and charged her parents for her murder. The whole thing is heartbreaking, especially reading about the events that led up to her death :'(
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Post by: Moonie on April 15, 2014, 11:35:16 AM
I was going to mention Precious Doe as well. I still live in the Kansas City area.  That poor baby...just makes me sick to think of how she suffered.
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Post by: Hillia on April 15, 2014, 12:13:29 PM
Oscar Jimenez, deliberately stomped and beaten to death by his mother's boyfriend in San Jose, CA.  They then drove his body to Phoenix and buried it in the courtyard of an apartment building around the corner from me.

http://www.unforgottenchildren.com/oscarjimenez.html (http://www.unforgottenchildren.com/oscarjimenez.html)
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Post by: Quiltin Nana on April 15, 2014, 01:03:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Daugherty

This girl believed these monsters to be her friends. 
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Post by: twiggy on April 15, 2014, 01:15:14 PM
In 2005/2006 Phoenix had 2 serial killers/shooters operating. It was a scary time. I was working night shift just a few miles away from the  Baseline Sniper's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseline_Killer) stomping ground. I walked the long way around to get to the parking lot and never went out for lunch except with some of the guys from work.

Around that same time, the  Serial Shooter  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Shooter) was also doing random drive by shootings and other crimes. One of my sister's friends (they were teens at the time) woke up one night and decided to walk around for reasons unknown. He heard a loud noise and felt a burn across his chest. He was grazed by a bullet, and his main concern was that his favorite shirt was ruined ::)
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on April 15, 2014, 02:52:56 PM
This happened in my hometown - scary. and for no reason, whatsoever

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/nyregion/02girl.html?_r=0
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Post by: kherbert05 on April 15, 2014, 10:28:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Daugherty

This girl believed these monsters to be her friends. 
On the flip side. A cognitively disabled young teenager from Sis's neighborhood disappeared on an evening walk with her family. There was a pretty massive search.

About a week later, some homeless teens (phrase that should not exist) who lived on Longpoint, walked into a substation with the girl. They had found her wandering, but she refused to tell them where she lived and was terrified of going to the police.

The teens kept her with them, fed her best they could, and made sure one one hurt her in any way. They finally convinced her that it was ok to go to the cops and walked her into the station.

These are the children that have been thrown away.
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Post by: asb8 on April 15, 2014, 10:55:01 PM
This one.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/us/south-dakota-cold-case-missing-girls/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Gives me the chills to think that a car accident in the wrong place can leave so many unanswered questions. I wonder how many other similar situations are revealed by droughts?
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Post by: GreenEyedHawk on April 15, 2014, 11:20:44 PM
The torture and murder of Matthew Shepard will always haunt me, even though it happened nowhere near where I am.

The heartbreaking song "Scarecrow" is about him.
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Post by: WishUponAStar on April 16, 2014, 01:12:41 AM
Ted Bundy. I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule (who knew and worked with Bundy) and it's a hard case to get out of my head. I was particularly haunted by the the very short opportunity he had to nab a lot of his victims. One girl never walked around her campus after dark; the one day she took a chance, he kidnapped her. One woman went upstairs to grab a magazine, leaving her fiance and his children for a brief moment; he kidnapped her. All of the crimes were horrid, but the one that stands out to me the most is him abducting two women from the same place hours apart (a crowded beach). Most of the women kindly offered him assistance, as he was using a cast as a ruse.  :( It's easy for this case to still haunt, considering that the bodies of many of his victims have never been found, leaving their families to suffer. I suspect that he killed many more women than we actual know about.


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Post by: Dazi on April 16, 2014, 05:36:31 AM
This one.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/us/south-dakota-cold-case-missing-girls/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Gives me the chills to think that a car accident in the wrong place can leave so many unanswered questions. I wonder how many other similar situations are revealed by droughts?

Seems to be a frequent occurrence here in Florida.  A  car will suddenly become visible in a retention pond, lake, or swamp land after a long dry spell or after a bad storm stirs up the water.  Sometimes cars are found way off the beaten path when land is being cleared for development.
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Post by: Dawse on April 16, 2014, 05:50:24 AM
Ted Bundy. I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule (who knew and worked with Bundy) and it's a hard case to get out of my head. I was particularly haunted by the the very short opportunity he had to nab a lot of his victims. One girl never walked around her campus after dark; the one day she took a chance, he kidnapped her. One woman went upstairs to grab a magazine, leaving her fiance and his children for a brief moment; he kidnapped her. All of the crimes were horrid, but the one that stands out to me the most is him abducting two women from the same place hours apart (a crowded beach). Most of the women kindly offered him assistance, as he was using a cast as a ruse.  :( It's easy for this case to still haunt, considering that the bodies of many of his victims have never been found, leaving their families to suffer. I suspect that he killed many more women than we actual know about.

There's a Dutch film called The Vanishing that's loosely based on Bundy. It's a very good film, excellently shot and made and makes for very compelling watching, but it's terrifying. The first time I watched it I didn't know it had been inspired by real events, but it developed a whole new level of creepy once I knew it had. If you like films that are more or less guaranteed to give you nightmares, I recommend it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Daugherty

This girl believed these monsters to be her friends. 
On the flip side. A cognitively disabled young teenager from Sis's neighborhood disappeared on an evening walk with her family. There was a pretty massive search.

About a week later, some homeless teens (phrase that should not exist) who lived on Longpoint, walked into a substation with the girl. They had found her wandering, but she refused to tell them where she lived and was terrified of going to the police.

The teens kept her with them, fed her best they could, and made sure one one hurt her in any way. They finally convinced her that it was ok to go to the cops and walked her into the station.

These are the children that have been thrown away.

This makes me want to cry.
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Post by: soetkin on April 16, 2014, 06:32:51 AM
The Jeffrey McDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_R._MacDonald) case has stuck with me since I was a child and saw a part of the movie 'Fatal Vision' about the case. He butchered his wife and two small children and then tried to cover it up by saying a bunch of hippies invaded the house and did it. The trials took ages and he's still appealing now even though all evidence shows he did it.
The movie was based on the excellent book of the same name by Joe McGinniss, who wrote an update of the case (Final Vision) in 2012.

Also, as posted on the first page, the Diane Downs (Small Sacrifices) case due to the movie with Farrah Fawcett.
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Post by: nuit93 on April 16, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
Ted Bundy. I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule (who knew and worked with Bundy) and it's a hard case to get out of my head. I was particularly haunted by the the very short opportunity he had to nab a lot of his victims. One girl never walked around her campus after dark; the one day she took a chance, he kidnapped her. One woman went upstairs to grab a magazine, leaving her fiance and his children for a brief moment; he kidnapped her. All of the crimes were horrid, but the one that stands out to me the most is him abducting two women from the same place hours apart (a crowded beach). Most of the women kindly offered him assistance, as he was using a cast as a ruse.  :( It's easy for this case to still haunt, considering that the bodies of many of his victims have never been found, leaving their families to suffer. I suspect that he killed many more women than we actual know about.

I live really close to one of his favorite hunting grounds.  That park gave me the willies even before I knew what had happened there...now I can barely bring myself to go.
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Post by: VorFemme on April 16, 2014, 01:55:06 PM
This one.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/us/south-dakota-cold-case-missing-girls/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Gives me the chills to think that a car accident in the wrong place can leave so many unanswered questions. I wonder how many other similar situations are revealed by droughts?

When I was training in car insurance, we had a "case" where a parent charged their adult child with theft of a loaner vehicle because they'd borrowed it (no memory of why) - and it had been six months since they'd driven off.

Six months later, a vehicle went off a curve on a the side of a cliff and "hung" suspended in the branches of a forest further down the side of the mountain/cliff.  While rescuing that vehicle, the emergency services found the first vehicle nearby, also suspended in the branches of trees, with the remains of the driver and a companion still in it...

Apparently, that time of year was notorious for people who were taking the curve too fast to go off the road in that area (country & geographical location), but the earlier vehicle had either gone through a damaged safety rail (so no one realized that there had been an accident) or just missed it.  The more recent accident had happened in front of witnesses, so emergency services were called in very quickly...

We were told the general features of the claim - to remind us that not all events turn out to be what they look like at first glance by investigators.
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Post by: nayberry on April 16, 2014, 02:36:45 PM
the case of jeremy bamber, http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/

did he really kill his family or was it his sister? 

its been a long time with experts somewhat divided, although i think some of that depends on who's paying them....
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Post by: Mikayla on April 16, 2014, 06:13:29 PM
Ted Bundy. I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule (who knew and worked with Bundy) and it's a hard case to get out of my head. I was particularly haunted by the the very short opportunity he had to nab a lot of his victims. One girl never walked around her campus after dark; the one day she took a chance, he kidnapped her. One woman went upstairs to grab a magazine, leaving her fiance and his children for a brief moment; he kidnapped her. All of the crimes were horrid, but the one that stands out to me the most is him abducting two women from the same place hours apart (a crowded beach). Most of the women kindly offered him assistance, as he was using a cast as a ruse.  :( It's easy for this case to still haunt, considering that the bodies of many of his victims have never been found, leaving their families to suffer. I suspect that he killed many more women than we actual know about.

Big pod to this.  I remember 3 things most about this book.

1.  Ann Rule knew him personally and even worked a victim's hotline with him.  Alone.  At night. 

2.  One of the few who escaped was a younger girl who was the daughter of a cop.  She said something in his eyes told her to get away at any cost.

3.  That photo from the trial where his "mask" fell way.  If you've read the book, you know the one I'm talking about!  The urbane guy disappeared, a monster suddenly popped up and it was captured on film.
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Post by: GreenEyedHawk on April 16, 2014, 08:19:35 PM
Ted Bundy. I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule (who knew and worked with Bundy) and it's a hard case to get out of my head. I was particularly haunted by the the very short opportunity he had to nab a lot of his victims. One girl never walked around her campus after dark; the one day she took a chance, he kidnapped her. One woman went upstairs to grab a magazine, leaving her fiance and his children for a brief moment; he kidnapped her. All of the crimes were horrid, but the one that stands out to me the most is him abducting two women from the same place hours apart (a crowded beach). Most of the women kindly offered him assistance, as he was using a cast as a ruse.  :( It's easy for this case to still haunt, considering that the bodies of many of his victims have never been found, leaving their families to suffer. I suspect that he killed many more women than we actual know about.

Big pod to this.  I remember 3 things most about this book.

1.  Ann Rule knew him personally and even worked a victim's hotline with him.  Alone.  At night. 

2.  One of the few who escaped was a younger girl who was the daughter of a cop.  She said something in his eyes told her to get away at any cost.

3.  That photo from the trial where his "mask" fell way.  If you've read the book, you know the one I'm talking about!  The urbane guy disappeared, a monster suddenly popped up and it was captured on film.

Is there a link someplace to the photo you mentioned?  I haven't read the book so I'm not familiar with it.
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Post by: jedikaiti on April 16, 2014, 09:45:47 PM
I was wondering, too. Is it this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy) (at the top of the page) perchance? Because he looks quite creepy there!
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Post by: WishUponAStar on April 16, 2014, 11:54:40 PM
Ted Bundy. I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule (who knew and worked with Bundy) and it's a hard case to get out of my head. I was particularly haunted by the the very short opportunity he had to nab a lot of his victims. One girl never walked around her campus after dark; the one day she took a chance, he kidnapped her. One woman went upstairs to grab a magazine, leaving her fiance and his children for a brief moment; he kidnapped her. All of the crimes were horrid, but the one that stands out to me the most is him abducting two women from the same place hours apart (a crowded beach). Most of the women kindly offered him assistance, as he was using a cast as a ruse.  :( It's easy for this case to still haunt, considering that the bodies of many of his victims have never been found, leaving their families to suffer. I suspect that he killed many more women than we actual know about.

Big pod to this.  I remember 3 things most about this book.

1.  Ann Rule knew him personally and even worked a victim's hotline with him.  Alone.  At night. 

2.  One of the few who escaped was a younger girl who was the daughter of a cop.  She said something in his eyes told her to get away at any cost.

3.  That photo from the trial where his "mask" fell way.  If you've read the book, you know the one I'm talking about!  The urbane guy disappeared, a monster suddenly popped up and it was captured on film.

Is there a link someplace to the photo you mentioned?  I haven't read the book so I'm not familiar with it.

I believe Mikayla means the second photo down in this link:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013565/Ted-Bundy-Police-serial-killer-suspect-California-murder-spree.html (sorry it's DailyMail,I'm having some trouble on my work computer) The one where he's holding his hand over his head and making a monstrous face.

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Post by: Mikayla on April 21, 2014, 03:28:42 PM

I believe Mikayla means the second photo down in this link:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013565/Ted-Bundy-Police-serial-killer-suspect-California-murder-spree.html (sorry it's DailyMail,I'm having some trouble on my work computer) The one where he's holding his hand over his head and making a monstrous face.

@GreenEyedHawk and Jedikaiti - Yep, it's #3 in that montage!

If you ever see the paperback in a store, the photos are in the middle.  You see all these dapper shots of a guy you'd want to camp with under the stars (eek!) and then this shot just pops up.   I'm almost positive it was taken in a courtroom.

I highly recommend it as a read.  One of the most fascinating aspects is the very savvy Ann Rule trying to grapple with the likability of the Bundy she knew vs the beginnings of her fears that he might be this serial killer everyone is talking about.  You can't make this stuff up.
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Post by: doodlemor on April 21, 2014, 04:13:42 PM

I believe Mikayla means the second photo down in this link:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013565/Ted-Bundy-Police-serial-killer-suspect-California-murder-spree.html (sorry it's DailyMail,I'm having some trouble on my work computer) The one where he's holding his hand over his head and making a monstrous face.

@GreenEyedHawk and Jedikaiti - Yep, it's #3 in that montage!

If you ever see the paperback in a store, the photos are in the middle.  You see all these dapper shots of a guy you'd want to camp with under the stars (eek!) and then this shot just pops up.   I'm almost positive it was taken in a courtroom.

I highly recommend it as a read.  One of the most fascinating aspects is the very savvy Ann Rule trying to grapple with the likability of the Bundy she knew vs the beginnings of her fears that he might be this serial killer everyone is talking about.  You can't make this stuff up.

Such a fascinating, frightening book.  I remember that Ann found him very charming, and said that she couldn't actually believe that he had done all of those things until she sat in the courtroom in Florida and heard all of the testimony.

If my memory is correct I think that it was on the day he killed two women that one actually got away from him.  He used the cast ruse, and asked for the woman's help loading something into or onto his vehicle.  She said that when she got near to his vehicle she felt an overwhelming sense of dread, stammered some excuses, and left quickly.  After the murders of that day were publicized she was able to give the police a description. 

It's interesting how Ted's mask slipped in the courtroom.  One woman who managed to escape  a serial killer/rapist in Buffalo, NY, described his face of rage when he started to attack.  [She escaped when some others came near.]
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Post by: WishUponAStar on April 22, 2014, 08:16:10 PM

I believe Mikayla means the second photo down in this link:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013565/Ted-Bundy-Police-serial-killer-suspect-California-murder-spree.html (sorry it's DailyMail,I'm having some trouble on my work computer) The one where he's holding his hand over his head and making a monstrous face.

@GreenEyedHawk and Jedikaiti - Yep, it's #3 in that montage!

If you ever see the paperback in a store, the photos are in the middle.  You see all these dapper shots of a guy you'd want to camp with under the stars (eek!) and then this shot just pops up.   I'm almost positive it was taken in a courtroom.

I highly recommend it as a read.  One of the most fascinating aspects is the very savvy Ann Rule trying to grapple with the likability of the Bundy she knew vs the beginnings of her fears that he might be this serial killer everyone is talking about.  You can't make this stuff up.
Yes, it was taken during his trial and I also find it very scary to look at. A lot of the photographs give me chills. Two that strike me a lot are of survivors' testimony. The girl who walked into the Chi Omega house and spotted Bundy leaving is photographed talking about her experience, as is Carol DaRoch, who managed to flee from Bundy's car. Also chilling is the number of letters Ann has received over the years from women convinced they encountered Bundy. Ann believes some of the women are mistaken, but others are probably correct.

Finally, the very thought of Bundy sitting at a help hotline and helping save lives alongside Ann Rule...well, it's very disturbing. She was sitting with this guy late at night with no one else around and completely unaware of what he was capable of. And he actually was helping people over the telephone...imagine years later some of those callers wondering if it was him who helped them out.  :o
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Post by: VorFemme on April 22, 2014, 08:58:13 PM
The young woman who died while we were in college at Angelo State University in the late 1970s - because her killer (a BF who didn't want to be her ex-), VorGuy, and I were all in the ROTC program there and had a weekly lab together.  Even though we weren't close friends...we went to some of the same social events, including soccer & softball, as I recall.  Due to being married and a bit older (third year equivalent), we didn't run around socially with the first & second year students much. 

But it was the first time that someone I had seen a day or two earlier had died and the first time someone that I knew had been killed.  It made me wonder how much we really know about those around us, because they had been dating for a little while before she apparently decided that he was getting too serious and she wasn't ready to get married or even think about being exclusive for a while...

And it gave me cold chills to realize that a murder had been hanging around with the same places & people that I hung around with.

Finding out that she apparently haunts the building to this day...is another round of cold chills.
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Post by: Saki_Fiz on April 25, 2014, 10:58:41 PM
I'm watching on Netflix a series called "Deadly Women".  I think it was originally on Discovery Channel.  Some of the cases mentioned on this thread have been featured.  It's a little on the cheesy side of documentaries, but not horrible.
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Post by: Sirius on April 26, 2014, 04:01:05 PM
I read an article by Anne Rule that was published in Writer's Digest many years ago, where she stated that she had felt guilty that she had never seen any evidence that Ted Bundy was the monster he turned out to be, and that he had always been very nice and polite to her and had never even come close to being threatening toward her.  It was pointed out to her (I think it was by one of the detectives investigating the case) that the reason he had never seemed threatening to her was because she didn't fit his profile, since she was a divorced woman older than him who had several children, and she had no reason to feel guilty since what he did had nothing to do with her.   The article was published back in the 1990s, as I recall, but I remember wondering how I'd react if someone I considered a good friend was shown to be guilty of a horrific crime.  I nearly married someone who eventually went to jail for selling cocaine, and because of the timing of when he was caught there was a good chance he'd been doing it when he and I had been dating.  Well, if I'd found out what he was doing I'd have turned his hide in to the police.   
 

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Post by: Mad Goat Woman on April 26, 2014, 05:06:45 PM
I can't remember if this has been mentioned in this thread or not, but the backpacker murders (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/milat/discovery_1.html) by Ivan Milat.
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Post by: Mikayla on April 26, 2014, 06:29:18 PM
I read an article by Anne Rule that was published in Writer's Digest many years ago, where she stated that she had felt guilty that she had never seen any evidence that Ted Bundy was the monster he turned out to be, and that he had always been very nice and polite to her and had never even come close to being threatening toward her. It was pointed out to her (I think it was by one of the detectives investigating the case) that the reason he had never seemed threatening to her was because she didn't fit his profile, since she was a divorced woman older than him who had several children, and she had no reason to feel guilty since what he did had nothing to do with her.   The article was published back in the 1990s, as I recall, but I remember wondering how I'd react if someone I considered a good friend was shown to be guilty of a horrific crime.  I nearly married someone who eventually went to jail for selling cocaine, and because of the timing of when he was caught there was a good chance he'd been doing it when he and I had been dating.  Well, if I'd found out what he was doing I'd have turned his hide in to the police.   

Yeah, she didn't have long brunette hair parted in the middle, either!

That was interesting, because I think by the time she wrote the book, she was more at peace with her role (or non-role).  She may have still carried some guilt, but she made no bones about the fact that she continued to stay in touch with him and even send cigs and munchies to his prison.  I almost wondered if she hadn't had a little crush on him way back before she knew what he was.
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Post by: rose red on April 26, 2014, 07:00:07 PM
Anne Rule has no reason to feel guilty. The reason he was able to get close to his victims was because he was so normal. I always say it's not the ugly weird guys you have to watch out for.
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Post by: rain on April 27, 2014, 07:53:40 AM
I can't remember if this has been mentioned in this thread or not, but the backpacker murders (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/milat/discovery_1.html) by Ivan Milat.


I read that and now wonder if any of his brothers are still doing/getting away with murder (I don't think he was alone)

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Post by: andi on April 27, 2014, 09:20:28 PM
I just read that whole thing - one more reason I will never go hiking
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Post by: Bethczar on April 28, 2014, 06:52:15 PM
I read an article by Anne Rule that was published in Writer's Digest many years ago, where she stated that she had felt guilty that she had never seen any evidence that Ted Bundy was the monster he turned out to be, and that he had always been very nice and polite to her and had never even come close to being threatening toward her. It was pointed out to her (I think it was by one of the detectives investigating the case) that the reason he had never seemed threatening to her was because she didn't fit his profile, since she was a divorced woman older than him who had several children, and she had no reason to feel guilty since what he did had nothing to do with her.   The article was published back in the 1990s, as I recall, but I remember wondering how I'd react if someone I considered a good friend was shown to be guilty of a horrific crime.  I nearly married someone who eventually went to jail for selling cocaine, and because of the timing of when he was caught there was a good chance he'd been doing it when he and I had been dating.  Well, if I'd found out what he was doing I'd have turned his hide in to the police.   

Yeah, she didn't have long brunette hair parted in the middle, either!

That was interesting, because I think by the time she wrote the book, she was more at peace with her role (or non-role).  She may have still carried some guilt, but she made no bones about the fact that she continued to stay in touch with him and even send cigs and munchies to his prison.  I almost wondered if she hadn't had a little crush on him way back before she knew what he was.
I just finished re-read her book on him, and she says she gets asked that a lot. Apparently she was in love with someone else at the time, but thought that he was a really great guy, the kind of guy she'd like to have for a son-in-law.
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Post by: Winterlight on April 29, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Daugherty

This girl believed these monsters to be her friends.

I saw ID's show on this case a few months ago- I leave the TV on while I'm working out at home. I had to turn it off and sit down for a few minutes till I stopped feeling sick.
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Post by: CharlieBraun on April 29, 2014, 03:19:37 PM
A friend of mine - a college professor.  Her husband, from whom she was separating, murdered her.  Their daughter was in the house at the time.  The family of the murder victim agreed to allow a plea to second-degree, because to gain a conviction on first-degree would have required the daughter to testify.

The average actual time served in their state for second-degree murder, which at face is 15 years to life, is usually about 7 years.  Each time he is up for parole, a rotating group of family and friends fly to his hearing to present statements.
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on May 01, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
Ted Bundy. I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule (who knew and worked with Bundy) and it's a hard case to get out of my head. I was particularly haunted by the the very short opportunity he had to nab a lot of his victims. One girl never walked around her campus after dark; the one day she took a chance, he kidnapped her. One woman went upstairs to grab a magazine, leaving her fiance and his children for a brief moment; he kidnapped her. All of the crimes were horrid, but the one that stands out to me the most is him abducting two women from the same place hours apart (a crowded beach). Most of the women kindly offered him assistance, as he was using a cast as a ruse.  :( It's easy for this case to still haunt, considering that the bodies of many of his victims have never been found, leaving their families to suffer. I suspect that he killed many more women than we actual know about.

Big pod to this.  I remember 3 things most about this book.

1.  Ann Rule knew him personally and even worked a victim's hotline with him.  Alone.  At night. 

2.  One of the few who escaped was a younger girl who was the daughter of a cop.  She said something in his eyes told her to get away at any cost.

3.  That photo from the trial where his "mask" fell way.  If you've read the book, you know the one I'm talking about!  The urbane guy disappeared, a monster suddenly popped up and it was captured on film.

Yes to all of the above. And for me too, the fact that we may never really know just how many women he killed, and the fact that the ones they did find and identify were found in such remote locations, and by accident. He truly was a sick and twisted individual.
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on May 01, 2014, 12:56:54 PM

I believe Mikayla means the second photo down in this link:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013565/Ted-Bundy-Police-serial-killer-suspect-California-murder-spree.html (sorry it's DailyMail,I'm having some trouble on my work computer) The one where he's holding his hand over his head and making a monstrous face.

@GreenEyedHawk and Jedikaiti - Yep, it's #3 in that montage!

If you ever see the paperback in a store, the photos are in the middle.  You see all these dapper shots of a guy you'd want to camp with under the stars (eek!) and then this shot just pops up.   I'm almost positive it was taken in a courtroom.

I highly recommend it as a read.  One of the most fascinating aspects is the very savvy Ann Rule trying to grapple with the likability of the Bundy she knew vs the beginnings of her fears that he might be this serial killer everyone is talking about.  You can't make this stuff up.
Yes, it was taken during his trial and I also find it very scary to look at. A lot of the photographs give me chills. Two that strike me a lot are of survivors' testimony. The girl who walked into the Chi Omega house and spotted Bundy leaving is photographed talking about her experience, as is Carol DaRoch, who managed to flee from Bundy's car. Also chilling is the number of letters Ann has received over the years from women convinced they encountered Bundy. Ann believes some of the women are mistaken, but others are probably correct.

Finally, the very thought of Bundy sitting at a help hotline and helping save lives alongside Ann Rule...well, it's very disturbing. She was sitting with this guy late at night with no one else around and completely unaware of what he was capable of. And he actually was helping people over the telephone...imagine years later some of those callers wondering if it was him who helped them out.  :o

And if I recall correctly from teh book (been a while since I've read it) during the trial, where he represented himself, he was "all business" and his "charming self" but something that was asked of him set him off, he lost it, and the prosecution or cops said they thought that was a turning point since his true colors that he'd been hiding came out when he was provoked.
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Post by: siamesecat2965 on May 01, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
A recent case in my area. a 16 year old girl was stabbed to death by a classmate, suposedly beacuse she turned down his prom invitation. I don't know details, but based on waht people have said about her, she was a lovely person. And had a boyfriend, so while this is pure speculation, I can see someone politely saying 'than you, but I'm already going with someone" THe boy who did it is undergoing a psychiatirc evaluation.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 01, 2014, 02:54:01 PM
A friend of mine grew up in the same neighborhood as Etan Patz and rode the school bus with him until the day he disappeared in 1979. The police talked to every family in the area, and got their contact information.

In 2012, Pedro Hernandez was charged in the case.

Police from New York are in central Florida and talked to my friend at work today about the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Etan_Patz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Etan_Patz)
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Post by: Shalamar on May 01, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
The Steven Stayner case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Stayner).  They made an excellent TV movie called I Know My First Name is Steven starring Corin Nemec.  In a nutshell, Steven was abducted when he was 7 and sexually abused for the next 7 years until he managed to escape (taking with him a young boy for whom the kidnapper planned the same fate).  The kidnapper, Kenneth Parnell, only received a sentence of 7 years, and he was paroled after serving 5 years. 

Tragically, Steven died of a motorcycle accident when he was only 24.  His brother Cary became a serial killer.
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Post by: whiterose on May 01, 2014, 06:19:01 PM
The Gainesville Murders from 1990.

We moved there in 1995.

At the time, the complexes where the murders happened still had grisly nicknames.
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Post by: andi on May 02, 2014, 11:52:40 AM
The Steven Stayner case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Stayner).  They made an excellent TV movie called I Know My First Name is Steven starring Corin Nemec.  In a nutshell, Steven was abducted when he was 7 and sexually abused for the next 7 years until he managed to escape (taking with him a young boy for whom the kidnapper planned the same fate).  The kidnapper, Kenneth Parnell, only received a sentence of 7 years, and he was paroled after serving 5 years. 

Tragically, Steven died of a motorcycle accident when he was only 24.  His brother Cary became a serial killer.

I read that book - the timing of everything when they were looking for him made me want to scream

I didn't know that about his brother.
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Post by: jaxsue on May 02, 2014, 12:06:05 PM
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM4BD7_Rose_Family_Murders_Lucas_Ohio

I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but I recently learned about this crime. A young girl is infatuated with a neighbor. In order to be with him, she kills her entire family. The picture taken of her after her arrest is chilling. There is absolutely no remorse in those eyes!
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Post by: taffywduck on May 03, 2014, 06:34:29 AM
Sigh, this makes for a fairly depressing read :S

I have a couple that haunt me...

1) Guy Turcotte - Cardiologist, stabbed both his children (3-6 I think) over 40 times because he couldn't face the fact that his wife left him. He drank anti-freeze and pretended he wanted to commit suicide. The uproar at the end of his trial was impressive because he was found not guilty for reasons of temporary insanity or something. Even if the expert had found plenty of research on "painless ways to commit suicide" on his computer... plus the guy was a doctor so...

I also can't believe that there are tons of women who wrote to him when he was in the mental institution to say that THEY would never hurt him like his ex did and that they wanted to be with him and give him more children.

His ex has been a rock through all this. Broke my heart even more when she admitted that she couldn't get pregnant anymore. My kids were just a wee bit younger than hers when it happened, I still get sick when I see his name in the news. It was a big blow when the verdict came out and my faith in the system was shaken. A lot!

There will be a new trial in the coming years. I hope they get it right this time.

2) A woman (forgot her name) drowned her three young children while they were visiting with her. The dad had full custody because she was unstable and she only had supervised visitation. This visit was supervised by her mother who went out to the store for a little while. She came back and found the three kids dead.

The woman was also pregnant with a fourth child (not the same father) at the trial.

3) The Shafia murders. Three teenagers and their "aunt" where killed by their father/mother/older brother in a staged car accident. Why? The girls wanted to live normal lives and this "shamed" their father and mother. The "aunt" was actually the father's first wife who couldn't bare children and to whom he gave the girls to raise since his second wife didn't want the hassle of raising them.

All the signs of abuse were there, there had been multiple calls to child protective services, investigations even. The oldest had said her dad was going to kill her. Nothing was done for fear of being culturally insensitive. Now they're all dead.

There are more, actually I think it's worst when it's a parent hurting a child because I cannot wrap my head around the idea that one can do such things. It's so biologically wrong, it makes no sense at all to me. The human race is really one of wonder... and attrocities :(
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Post by: BarensMom on May 03, 2014, 09:56:32 AM
This one is several years old, but I worked with several people who knew the victim and saw the car myself before the murder.  In a nutshell:


June Azevedo, wife of a prominent restaurant owner, was getting into her customized gold Lincoln Continental at a grocery when she was abducted by 2-3 men.  They drove her car around town with her tied up in the back seat or trunk.  After driving her to a abandoned Naval station, they forced her to drink Pine-Sol or Draino, then assaulted and murdered her.  They caught one of the suspects driving her car down the freeway.  I think the suspect told police that Mrs. Azevedo was targeted because of her very noticeable car.  He was tried and convicted, but he was sentenced to life instead of getting the death penalty because it was hoped he would rat out the other guys.   This has not happened and the other suspects were never found.

http://www.leagle.com/decision/19871135192CalApp3d943_11079.xml/PEOPLE%20v.%20HARRIS
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Post by: soetkin on May 06, 2014, 07:53:00 AM
A very local case over a decade old where a car ended up in a canal with a father and two very young children on board. The father managed to save himself but the children drowned. Autopsies revealed very high levels of anti-freeze in the children's bodies, much higher than they would have absorbed from the window cleaning fluid that came free during the sinking of the car.
The case was brought to court that the father poisened/drugged his children with anti-freeze and deliberately drove into the water and let them drown to get back at his ex-wife. Due to lack of evidence however, he was not convicted.
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Post by: Elfmama on May 06, 2014, 10:04:47 AM
A very local case over a decade old where a car ended up in a canal with a father and two very young children on board. The father managed to save himself but the children drowned. Autopsies revealed very high levels of anti-freeze in the children's bodies, much higher than they would have absorbed from the window cleaning fluid that came free during the sinking of the car.
The case was brought to court that the father poisened/drugged his children with anti-freeze and deliberately drove into the water and let them drown to get back at his ex-wife. Due to lack of evidence however, he was not convicted.
The children were poisoned and drowned, and there was lack of evidence?!?

Or is it like some other high-profile cases, where the cops and/or the courts make a tiny mistake and the whole thing gets thrown out?

I hate reading or hearing about things like that.  There was one locally a few years ago, where the sperm donor (can't call that illegitimate son of a female dog a father) threw his children off a bridge to get back at their mother.  :'(
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Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on May 06, 2014, 02:39:34 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Devlin
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/15/missouri.boys/
http://boingboing.net/2007/01/14/odd-internet-trail-p.html

A 13 year old boy is disappears after getting off his school bus. A classmate describes the truck he saw driving away from the bus stop where the boy disappeared. Police trace the truck to the manager of a local pizza place. They go to the guy's apartment and find the missing 13 year old boy...and a 15 year old boy who had disappeared 4 year prior.

The whole thing is disturbing to begin with, but after the boys were rescued, we find out that the older boy was left largely unsupervised for the 4 years he lived with his abductor, made friends with kids in the neighborhood, had online gaming profiles and even possibly posted on an online message board that was dedicated to finding him. In that time and with all that freedom, he never told anyone who he was or tried to escape.
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Post by: Mikayla on May 06, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
The Steven Stayner case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Stayner).  They made an excellent TV movie called I Know My First Name is Steven starring Corin Nemec.  In a nutshell, Steven was abducted when he was 7 and sexually abused for the next 7 years until he managed to escape (taking with him a young boy for whom the kidnapper planned the same fate).  The kidnapper, Kenneth Parnell, only received a sentence of 7 years, and he was paroled after serving 5 years. 

Tragically, Steven died of a motorcycle accident when he was only 24.  His brother Cary became a serial killer.

Thank you!  I'd been thinking of this case throughout the thread, but couldn't remember enough about it to even ask if anyone remembered.  I don't think he was a serial  killer, but he murdered 4 women in Yosemite.  One was a  mother/daughter.  And there was a note left that they had had some "fun" with one of the younger girls.
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Post by: Asharah on May 06, 2014, 03:23:33 PM
A very local case over a decade old where a car ended up in a canal with a father and two very young children on board. The father managed to save himself but the children drowned. Autopsies revealed very high levels of anti-freeze in the children's bodies, much higher than they would have absorbed from the window cleaning fluid that came free during the sinking of the car.
The case was brought to court that the father poisened/drugged his children with anti-freeze and deliberately drove into the water and let them drown to get back at his ex-wife. Due to lack of evidence however, he was not convicted.
The children were poisoned and drowned, and there was lack of evidence?!?

Or is it like some other high-profile cases, where the cops and/or the courts make a tiny mistake and the whole thing gets thrown out?

I hate reading or hearing about things like that.  There was one locally a few years ago, where the sperm donor (can't call that illegitimate son of a female dog a father) threw his children off a bridge to get back at their mother.  :'(

Egg donors can do it too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Blood
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Post by: soetkin on May 09, 2014, 07:51:28 AM
The children were poisoned and drowned, and there was lack of evidence?!?

As I remember it it came down to a very technical argument between forensic doctors about the levels of anti-freeze in the bodies and the father had very good character references as he'd had a distinguished career in the military.
I think it's called 'probable cause' in the US and I don't know how easy it is to get a conviction in the US with that, but in Belgium it's very difficult.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 09, 2014, 08:00:48 AM
The same reason Casey Anthony wasn't convicted in her daughter's death. An FBI lab technician failed to take enough pictures of the sticker on the duct tape that was around Cailee's head before using a technique to analyze it that ended up destroying the sticker.

Matching stickers were found in the Anthony home.
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Post by: Cherry91 on May 09, 2014, 10:36:34 AM
The same reason Casey Anthony wasn't convicted in her daughter's death. An FBI lab technician failed to take enough pictures of the sticker on the duct tape that was around Cailee's head before using a technique to analyze it that ended up destroying the sticker.

Matching stickers were found in the Anthony home.

The Doctor G forensics series did a pretty in depth analysis of Casey Anthony's trial and mistakes made in handling evidence. Of course, Dr G is 100% convinced Casey Anthony was guilty (she was an expert called by the prosecution), so there's a high chance the episode is biased, but it's interesting none the less.
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Post by: Visiting Crazy Town on May 09, 2014, 11:05:54 AM
this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Durousseau

Because at the time he was killing the  womenl, I had a cousin that was dating him and had child with him.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 09, 2014, 11:50:37 AM
The same reason Casey Anthony wasn't convicted in her daughter's death. An FBI lab technician failed to take enough pictures of the sticker on the duct tape that was around Cailee's head before using a technique to analyze it that ended up destroying the sticker.

Matching stickers were found in the Anthony home.

The Doctor G forensics series did a pretty in depth analysis of Casey Anthony's trial and mistakes made in handling evidence. Of course, Dr G is 100% convinced Casey Anthony was guilty (she was an expert called by the prosecution), so there's a high chance the episode is biased, but it's interesting none the less.

I've seen the death certificate in the case signed by Dr. G. The FBI lab did a terrible job with handling the evidence in this particular case. There are plenty of reasons why this was not an accidental death and the mother should have been found guilty, but that will never happen now.
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Post by: Asharah on May 09, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
The same reason Casey Anthony wasn't convicted in her daughter's death. An FBI lab technician failed to take enough pictures of the sticker on the duct tape that was around Cailee's head before using a technique to analyze it that ended up destroying the sticker.

Matching stickers were found in the Anthony home.

The Doctor G forensics series did a pretty in depth analysis of Casey Anthony's trial and mistakes made in handling evidence. Of course, Dr G is 100% convinced Casey Anthony was guilty (she was an expert called by the prosecution), so there's a high chance the episode is biased, but it's interesting none the less.

I've seen the death certificate in the case signed by Dr. G. The FBI lab did a terrible job with handling the evidence in this particular case. There are plenty of reasons why this was not an accidental death and the mother should have been found guilty, but that will never happen now.
My sister is a lawyer and all through the trial she was saying, "She won't be convicted because they can't prove she did it."
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 09, 2014, 12:40:41 PM
If they had wrongful death as an option, that probably would have been the charge. So sad for that little girl.
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Post by: o_gal on May 12, 2014, 06:55:00 AM
The same reason Casey Anthony wasn't convicted in her daughter's death. An FBI lab technician failed to take enough pictures of the sticker on the duct tape that was around Cailee's head before using a technique to analyze it that ended up destroying the sticker.

Matching stickers were found in the Anthony home.

The Doctor G forensics series did a pretty in depth analysis of Casey Anthony's trial and mistakes made in handling evidence. Of course, Dr G is 100% convinced Casey Anthony was guilty (she was an expert called by the prosecution), so there's a high chance the episode is biased, but it's interesting none the less.

I've seen the death certificate in the case signed by Dr. G. The FBI lab did a terrible job with handling the evidence in this particular case. There are plenty of reasons why this was not an accidental death and the mother should have been found guilty, but that will never happen now.
My sister is a lawyer and all through the trial she was saying, "She won't be convicted because they can't prove she did it."

I thought at the time that Casey had an absolutely brilliant defense lawyer: By trying to cast her Dad as one of the culprits with the "drowning", they could create reasonable doubt. But if she was found guilty (which I think she should have been), it set up for an appeal claiming that "my lawyer was so stupid to try to pin it on my Dad so he as incompetent - I should get a new trial".
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Post by: Twik on May 12, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
In many trials, I have to admit I would find it hard to cross that line to vote "guilty." It's so hard to be sure.

In the Anthony trial, I don't think I could, in good conscience, ever agree to vote "not guilty." If I'd been on the jury, the best result the defence would have gotten was hung.
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Post by: Mikayla on May 12, 2014, 11:51:36 AM
^I agree, and it's because of the instructions given the jury.  They're not asked to decide if the accused did the crime.  They're asked to decide if the state proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.

I was a little surprised that Scott Peterson (husband of Laci) got convicted, but downright shocked when he got the DP.   There was plenty of evidence that he was a complete cad, but nothing forensic to tie him directly to the crime.  That's why the DP surprised me so much.
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Post by: iridaceae on May 13, 2014, 06:39:19 AM

The whole thing is disturbing to begin with, but after the boys were rescued, we find out that the older boy was left largely unsupervised for the 4 years he lived with his abductor, made friends with kids in the neighborhood, had online gaming profiles and even possibly posted on an online message board that was dedicated to finding him. In that time and with all that freedom, he never told anyone who he was or tried to escape.

I hope you're not blaming Shawn.

Conditioning can take far less time that you'd think, which is the truly scary thing. Look at the Jessyca Mullenberg kidnapping; by the time she was rescued 3 1/2 months after she was kidnapped she didn't recognize her own name.
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Post by: MommyPenguin on May 13, 2014, 07:42:03 AM
I was curious about the Shawn Hornbeck case after you mentioned it, and did some reading.  It sounds like early on in the kidnapping, the kidnapper took him out to the country in his car and was about to kill him.  Shawn begged him not to, promised never to try to escape and to do whatever the kidnapper wanted as long as he kept him alive.  The kidnapper agreed, but said that he'd kill him if he ever disobeyed.  So my guess would be that Shawn never trusted that, if he told somebody, they'd both believe him immediately *and* be able to protect him from the kidnapper (who was seriously about to kill him, so he knew the kidnapper could/would do it in a heartbeat), and probably after a while he got used to obeying and didn't really go through the process of thinking, hey, this is a time when I could safely tell them the truth and be rescued before he could get to me.
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Post by: ladyknight1 on May 13, 2014, 07:47:59 AM
Look at all the cases of long time abducted children who weren't believed when they told adults around them.  :(
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Post by: Spring Water on Sundays on May 13, 2014, 07:50:41 AM

The whole thing is disturbing to begin with, but after the boys were rescued, we find out that the older boy was left largely unsupervised for the 4 years he lived with his abductor, made friends with kids in the neighborhood, had online gaming profiles and even possibly posted on an online message board that was dedicated to finding him. In that time and with all that freedom, he never told anyone who he was or tried to escape.

I hope you're not blaming Shawn.

Conditioning can take far less time that you'd think, which is the truly scary thing. Look at the Jessyca Mullenberg kidnapping; by the time she was rescued 3 1/2 months after she was kidnapped she didn't recognize her own name.

Wow. Oh my gosh NO, I'm absolutely not blaming Shawn.

That's the disturbing part: how quickly and completely Devlin was able to make him compliant, to the point that even with with all that unsupervised time with other kids/neighbors, he didn't dare come forward with the truth. No one in their right mind would blame a child for that.
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Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on May 13, 2014, 09:47:38 AM
I just read a book about Marcel Petiot, and it was sickening.  He had his own death chamber hooked up with a viewing lens so he could watch them die.
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Post by: Elfmama on May 13, 2014, 11:10:30 PM

The whole thing is disturbing to begin with, but after the boys were rescued, we find out that the older boy was left largely unsupervised for the 4 years he lived with his abductor, made friends with kids in the neighborhood, had online gaming profiles and even possibly posted on an online message board that was dedicated to finding him. In that time and with all that freedom, he never told anyone who he was or tried to escape.

I hope you're not blaming Shawn.

Conditioning can take far less time that you'd think,
which is the truly scary thing. Look at the Jessyca Mullenberg kidnapping; by the time she was rescued 3 1/2 months after she was kidnapped she didn't recognize her own name.
A matter of days, sometimes even hours.  There are adult eyewitness accounts of white children taken during Indian raids on the American frontier, and within days the children (usually boys) were looking up to their kidnappers even after seeing their parents killed by those same Indians. 
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Post by: squeakers on May 13, 2014, 11:55:03 PM

The whole thing is disturbing to begin with, but after the boys were rescued, we find out that the older boy was left largely unsupervised for the 4 years he lived with his abductor, made friends with kids in the neighborhood, had online gaming profiles and even possibly posted on an online message board that was dedicated to finding him. In that time and with all that freedom, he never told anyone who he was or tried to escape.

I hope you're not blaming Shawn.

Conditioning can take far less time that you'd think,
which is the truly scary thing. Look at the Jessyca Mullenberg kidnapping; by the time she was rescued 3 1/2 months after she was kidnapped she didn't recognize her own name.
A matter of days, sometimes even hours.  There are adult eyewitness accounts of white children taken during Indian raids on the American frontier, and within days the children (usually boys) were looking up to their kidnappers even after seeing their parents killed by those same Indians. 

Probably because when the reverse happened (NA captured by "whites") they were outright killed or turned into slaves. http://www.native-languages.org/iaq17.htm
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Post by: workingmum on May 14, 2014, 07:26:02 AM
http://everything2.com/title/Richardson+Family+Murders
And she's only getting 10 years for this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laurie_Show
Lets see, you stalk and murder the girl your boyfriend raped, then claim you were framed by cops who gang-raped you? And she actually suckered a judge into believing any of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer
Just completely disturbing.

I just read the Crime Library entry on Shanda Sharer - I cried my way through that story! My daughter is only one year younger than Shanda. My heartfelt sympathies go out to that poor mother who had to relive her daughter's death every time these cretins applied for release! And the  ones that said they had no choice... well, I do not have enough words to describe how I fell about that! Each of those girls had multiple opportunities to stop what was happening, and none of them did. They are all just as culpable in my opinion!

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Post by: iridaceae on May 14, 2014, 07:54:16 AM

Probably because when the reverse happened (NA captured by "whites") they were outright killed or turned into slaves. http://www.native-languages.org/iaq17.htm

Well you have to remember many people were kidnapped by Indian tribes specifically to be adopted as replacements for dead relatives- or were captured and ended up being adopted- as happened to Mary Jemison. She was captured at 15 and lived the rest of her life -she was 90 when she died- with the Seneca and said in here autobiography that once adopted her family treated her as their beloved sister. June Namias has an excellent book on captivities - White Captives: Gender and Ethnicity on the American Frontier.
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Post by: MommyPenguin on May 14, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
There's the book Naya Nuki: the Girl Who Ran which is about a girl who was taken by a rival tribe and escaped and ran home.  That one isn't about white settlers at all, just different tribes (although her friend, also taken captive, is Sacagawea).
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Post by: squeakers on May 14, 2014, 03:09:45 PM

Probably because when the reverse happened (NA captured by "whites") they were outright killed or turned into slaves. http://www.native-languages.org/iaq17.htm

Well you have to remember many people were kidnapped by Indian tribes specifically to be adopted as replacements for dead relatives- or were captured and ended up being adopted- as happened to Mary Jemison. She was captured at 15 and lived the rest of her life -she was 90 when she died- with the Seneca and said in here autobiography that once adopted her family treated her as their beloved sister. June Namias has an excellent book on captivities - White Captives: Gender and Ethnicity on the American Frontier.

Yup, so settler kids would find themselves being treated well.. sometimes even nicer than what their parents had (no corporeal punishment, no chores.. if they were boys, girls would be doing chores).

http://www.ushistoryscene.com/uncategorized/captivitynarratives/ has more info and a link that doesn't work to Mary Jemison's book. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/6960 does work  ;D
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Post by: pierrotlunaire0 on May 14, 2014, 03:36:54 PM
Belle Gunness.  A very prolific murderess, the scary part is that a lot of the evidence supports the theory that she did not die, but faked her own death, and was free to move on with all her profits. 
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Post by: doodlemor on May 14, 2014, 04:43:38 PM
Slight threadjack - here is a link to the story of Olive Oatman, a captive of the Native Americans who was later returned to her family. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Oatman

Things that I have read about Olive said that she was tattooed as a kindly, religious gesture to protect her in the after life.  She tried unsuccessfully to have the tattoos removed.

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Post by: Sirius on May 14, 2014, 11:40:16 PM
this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Durousseau

Because at the time he was killing the  womenl, I had a cousin that was dating him and had child with him.

Wow.  That would definitely scare me. 
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Post by: iridaceae on May 15, 2014, 01:27:36 AM
Slight threadjack - here is a link to the story of Olive Oatman, a captive of the Native Americans who was later returned to her family. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Oatman

Things that I have read about Olive said that she was tattooed as a kindly, religious gesture to protect her in the after life.  She tried unsuccessfully to have the tattoos removed.
there is a book on Olive published in the last few years I've been meaning to buy that argues she was considered to be a member of the second tribe- and considered herself as one because she would act as as a woman of the tribe and wasn't afraid to disagree.
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Post by: Asharah on June 07, 2014, 03:31:15 PM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/piper_rountree/1.html
http://truecrimezine.com/jessica-mccord/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larissa_Schuster
I realize having your husband leave you isn't fun, but murdering your kids father is NOT an acceptable solution.
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Post by: TeamBhakta on June 14, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
The brutal murder of Heather DeWild by her creepy exhusband Dan and his equally awful twin David.  :( I was disgusted by Dan rolling his eyes, mouthing things and making faces while the judge was passing sentence. I don't believe that David's girlfriend is innocent, even though she got off the hook.
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Post by: cass2591 on June 15, 2014, 02:15:10 AM
this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Durousseau

Because at the time he was killing the  womenl, I had a cousin that was dating him and had child with him.

Just catching up with this thread, but holy crap that's close to home. I can't imagine how she felt when she found out.
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Post by: doodlemor on June 15, 2014, 04:25:51 PM
Slight threadjack - here is a link to the story of Olive Oatman, a captive of the Native Americans who was later returned to her family. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Oatman

Things that I have read about Olive said that she was tattooed as a kindly, religious gesture to protect her in the after life.  She tried unsuccessfully to have the tattoos removed.
there is a book on Olive published in the last few years I've been meaning to buy that argues she was considered to be a member of the second tribe- and considered herself as one because she would act as as a woman of the tribe and wasn't afraid to disagree.

That sounds like an interesting book - I'll have to look for it.

It's been awhile since I read about Olive.  My memory does confirm what you wrote, that she was well integrated into the second tribe.  I think that they might have been the ones to tattoo her. 

I remember reading something about her walking to an army post when she was going to back to her family, and when she got close by realized that she couldn't go into the post in her NA garb, which was scant.  She hid herself in a bush until someone brought her a dress to cover her nakedness.

If you like reading about the old west here is a link to a book that I just loved, and have reread many times.  You could probably get it through library interloan, if your local library doesn't have it.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Gentle-Tamers-Women-Wild/dp/0803250258

It is by Dee Brown, who also wrote Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.  It is particularly interesting because Brown uses so many primary sources in his text, bringing the reader right back to those places and times.

One story in particular stays with me, although I can't remember the name of the woman.  This young woman was traveling west with her father and brothers in a wagon after the death of her mother.  One day when they were in the mountains her father and brothers rode off to hunt - and never came back.  When she realized that she was alone she cried for several days, and then decided to live.  She constructed a dugout type of shelter, using the wagon canvas for the top, killed her oxen for food, and lived.  When some Native Americans found her in the spring they were astonished that she had survived the winter by herself and they took her to a nearby fort.
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Post by: Asharah on July 20, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
Richard Hamlin, they don't come sicker than this
http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/funk49.html
http://www.modbee.com/2011/11/14/1946345/ex-wife-kids-to-oppose-parole.html
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Post by: iridaceae on July 21, 2014, 03:14:11 AM
The book on Olive Oatman is The Blue Tattoo by Margot Mifflin and I recommend it highly; it is out on the Kindle. Ms Mifflin tried very hard to separate the myth of Olive from the realities of her life.