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Title: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Bob Ducca on June 11, 2010, 03:09:07 AM
This week, Lady Gaga returned to her former high school for her younger sister's graduation.  She wore a really outlandish outfit; several papers were saying it was designed as a snub toward her former school, where she was an outcast because people thought she was "weird."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/agog_at_gaga_style_of_revenge_2ykp1SCjjoABfmp0js6zdP (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/agog_at_gaga_style_of_revenge_2ykp1SCjjoABfmp0js6zdP)

(Note: the outfit was really outlandish by normal standards.  By Lady Gaga standards, it was fairly appropriate daywear. :))

This reminded me of a story from a few years ago, referenced in this thread: http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=18741.0 (http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=18741.0)

In that one, Rihanna was asked to leave her cousin's wedding for dressing and behaving in a manner that attracted attention away from the bride.

So my question: if one is a celebrity, and one is invited to a social event that has nothing to do with you, per se: a wedding, graduation, birthday party, etc., what is the appropriate thing to do?  Each of these women seems to be in trouble mostly for carrying what is seen as their "stage persona" into the social arena.  Is that always inappropriate?  Wouldn't their very presence at the event be a distraction?  And how would you feel, if you were the non-famous relative who is the honoree at the event, if your famous sibling/cousin/distant relative came and the event ended up being more about her?

(For the record, I think each of these ladies, if their behavior was as reported, acted inappropriately.  Gaga would have made even more headlines if she had worn a sweater set and a simple skirt, though.  I wonder if there was a way for her to win.)
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Reika on June 11, 2010, 06:00:18 AM
In this case I think Lady Gaga could have just toned down the quirkiness (keep the outfit, lose the hat or wear one that was a little less dramatic) and keep deflecting any attention on her back to the honoree.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Winterlight on June 11, 2010, 06:34:59 AM
I think there's a time for vamping it up, but someone else's big day is not it. It is possible to be famous and attend a non-celebrity event without turning the day into your show.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: penelope2017 on June 11, 2010, 06:44:03 AM
If she didn't dress this way all the time, I'd see the issue. No matter what she did, people were going to be talking about it. And as the OP said, this is rather tame for her.

I don't really see in this case that the purpose was trying to steal attention from the graduates. The only way she wouldn't have attracted any attention away from the event would be not to go. I don't think that's fair either. And it is the Post, which makes an issue out of everything, in my view.

Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on June 11, 2010, 06:56:44 AM
If she didn't dress this way all the time, I'd see the issue. No matter what she did, people were going to be talking about it. And as the OP said, this is rather tame for her.

I don't really see in this case that the purpose was trying to steal attention from the graduates. The only way she wouldn't have attracted any attention away from the event would be not to go. I don't think that's fair either. And it is the Post, which makes an issue out of everything, in my view.



I kinda doubt that, actually.  It assumes that they'd still care enough to focus on her no matter how she dressed.  I doubt that is the case for the majority of people attending.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: penelope2017 on June 11, 2010, 07:06:36 AM
If she didn't dress this way all the time, I'd see the issue. No matter what she did, people were going to be talking about it. And as the OP said, this is rather tame for her.

I don't really see in this case that the purpose was trying to steal attention from the graduates. The only way she wouldn't have attracted any attention away from the event would be not to go. I don't think that's fair either. And it is the Post, which makes an issue out of everything, in my view.



I kinda doubt that, actually.  It assumes that they'd still care enough to focus on her no matter how she dressed.  I doubt that is the case for the majority of people attending.

I'm no fan of Lady Gaga, but she's probably the top pop star for the high school age group right now (from kids I know). One of those people that even if they don't like her, the kids are fascinated by, and I would say therefore most parents of that age group are also aware of her. Add that to the fact that the sister is in the class, so her appearance was probably discussed and anticipated (i.e. not a surprise showing), and I have a hard time believing people would not be paying attention to her, no matter what she wore.

Especially because I'm sure there was a flood of paparazzi documenting her entry (as evidenced by the Post photo).

It would have been like Madonna showing up at my mid-80's high school graduation. I can assure you people would have been talking about it at the time.  I'm sure people would have noticed a big celebrity even if she was in a business suit, especially because dressing conservatively would have been newsworthy for her.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Carnation on June 11, 2010, 09:32:56 AM
I remember a few years back Sophia Loren stole the show at her son's wedding.   She's still got it, but it would have been a good day not to flaunt it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-477136/Some-mothers-flaunt--Sophia-Loren-upstages-new-daughter-law.html

Still love Sophia though. :-*
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on June 11, 2010, 09:42:09 AM
On the one hand, she's really stealing the spotlight from the other grads.

On the other hand, she's there for a legit reason, her outfit was pretty ordinary for her, and to be bluntly honest most graduations are a long dull line of walking grads anyway. So long as she was quiet and attentive while the walk was going on, I don't think she's done anything but provide a memorable highlight for an otherwise fairly bland occasion.

Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Scuba_Dog on June 11, 2010, 09:48:51 AM
I think if she had any class, she would have dressed modestly for her *sister's* graduation ceremony.

Just because she normally wears ridiculous clothing doesn't mean she is incapable of wearing an outfit that would have her blend in for one day.  Seriously, she can't be out of the limelight for one day?  ::)
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Bibliophile on June 11, 2010, 09:50:36 AM
I think a large hat on anyone at an event like this is rude.  There are other people who might like to see the stage.  I can't fault her for going to the graduation though.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Twik on June 11, 2010, 09:59:40 AM
I think a truly classy person would have gone "undercover", so that afterwards people would have said, "Lady Gaga was there? Where? I didn't see her!" But that, apparently, wasn't on her agenda.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Shores on June 11, 2010, 10:00:54 AM
I think if she had any class, she would have dressed modestly for her *sister's* graduation ceremony.

Just because she normally wears ridiculous clothing doesn't mean she is incapable of wearing an outfit that would have her blend in for one day.  Seriously, she can't be out of the limelight for one day?  ::)
ITA
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Just Lori on June 11, 2010, 10:05:53 AM
I think a truly classy person would have gone "undercover", so that afterwards people would have said, "Lady Gaga was there? Where? I didn't see her!" But that, apparently, wasn't on her agenda.

Bingo.  She's certainly capable of dressing down when she doesn't want to be noticed:

(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/6/10/17/lady-gaga-un-made-5027-1244668743-18.jpg)


A friend of mine married into the family of a pretty well known rock star.  He attends family weddings, and even those who didn't grow up around him view him as just another wedding guest, because he acts like just another wedding guest.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Twik on June 11, 2010, 11:58:05 AM
Now, to be fair, she may have insecurity issues, and the wild dressing is sort of emotional armour. Maybe she feels the need to be "in costume" whenever public eyes are on her. But in general, one shouldn't treat one's sister's graduation like a stage performance starring oneself. Being a celebrity actually, to my mind, makes it all the more important to dress down so that eyes are not on you.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: jimithing on June 11, 2010, 12:25:51 PM
My coworker and I were talking about this a few days ago, and I told her that if Gaga had showed up with no makeup and a jeans and a t-shirt on, no one would have known would have even recognized her. So, I think that she could have done the right thing here. I do think that her outfit was actually, especially outlandish.

Off topic, but how in the world do you walk in those shoes?!?
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Lisbeth on June 11, 2010, 12:35:07 PM
I think that if a celebrity is invited to someone else's private event, then s/he has the obligation to tone down one's personality so that s/he will not be upstaging the honorees.  To me that means dressing according to whatever is appropriate for mainstream guests in attendance, not "performing" without the honoree's explicit request, not signing memorabilia, not giving interviews, not promoting their own personal causes, not posing for photographs or videos without the honoree's explicit request, not posting photographs or videos of themselves at the event online without the honoree's explicit request, and gracefully and graciously turning attention back to the honorees.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Namárië on June 11, 2010, 12:40:15 PM
My first thought was "At least she wore pants."

If I were a celebrity, I would ask the honorees what they want. Though I would most likely try not to stand out; I dislike attracting notice.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Twik on June 11, 2010, 12:48:52 PM
From the outfit, I'd be worried she'd brought her own swarm of bees with her.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Shoo on June 11, 2010, 01:06:06 PM
The problem is (for her) that if she wore normal clothes, normal hair, normal makeup (or no makeup), absolutely no one would know who the heck she is.  She isn't recognizable unless she looks like a freak.  It's her trademark.

It was extremely rude of her to dress that way and call so much attention to herself.  But I suspect she doesn't really care that she upstaged the person she was there to honor.  IT'S ALL ABOUT HER.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: jimithing on June 11, 2010, 01:12:34 PM
I do wonder how her sister felt about it. Her sister was in Gaga's "Telephone" video, so I'm wondering if she's as outlandish as Gaga is,.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Squeaks on June 11, 2010, 01:30:20 PM
Other than the hat, i don't think the outfit is that bad at all. .  . if someone has another pic that would be helpful.

I do find it kinda funny that if we ask a normal person to tone it down for a wedding, usually the attitude is you know who the person is expect them to be that person if you invite them, but for a celeb, somehow they don't get the same luxury.

I assume the sister invited her,  if so the sister was either ok with it, or had the chance to talk to her about what to wear.  (I would frown on disrespecting the sister's wishes) it seems sister was ok.

I think the person's behavior also is a bigger deal than the apparel.  Was she "fashionably" late and strutted down the isle with an entourage to all could see her or sit quietly in the back?  Did she cheer an inordinate amount for her sister?  Did she say or do anything rude?   If her behavior was good, then i can't really fault her for dressing normally for her.  I also think it is a bit much to jump to the idea that she is dressing normally as a way to get back at the school, that seems a bit much. 
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Lisbeth on June 11, 2010, 01:38:05 PM
Well, the rationale in the case of both a celeb and a non-celeb is that we want the honorees of an event to get the attention, and if "being your own person" takes that attention unduly away from the honorees, then "being your own person" is rude.

A celebrity is just that, a public personality who by virtue of being a celebrity gets attention.  Thus, the celebrity has the obligation to tone him/herself down to where his/her presence is not depriving the honorees of their due attention and not make the event about the celebrity through inappropriate clothing or conduct.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: jimithing on June 11, 2010, 01:39:13 PM
Here is another one, which is actually the picture I saw. I didn't realize there was another one in the OP:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa88/kpulsipher/gaga.jpg)

She looks like she's attending a funeral.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Just Lori on June 11, 2010, 02:17:37 PM
OK, who else looked at that picture and thought, "She is going to trip and fall and break her ankle!"

Sheesh.  Sounding more and more like my mother every day.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Everlee on June 11, 2010, 02:38:55 PM
Man she could have just hired someone to go as her and no one would have ever known it.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Master_Edward on June 11, 2010, 04:00:57 PM
I heard something on tv about that, and from what I understood Lady Gaga's sister was totally OK with how she was dressed and so on. But then I'm not someone who really cares what celebrities do at other people's social events whether they're family or not. I figure if Lady Gaga's sister was fine with it then I just don't understand why the general public even cares about it at all. It's not like it's affecting the rest of us. I do think the way she was dressed was tacky and inappropriate but then it's just not my problem.

I'll never understand being obsessed with celebrities and their lives. ::)

Ed.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Shores on June 11, 2010, 04:09:33 PM

I'll never understand being obsessed with celebrities and their lives. ::)

Ed.
I don't understand. Is that statement and eyeroll a commentary on those of us who have chosen to discuss this? If so, I would encourage you to simply skip these topics in the future if you find them so disdainful.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Wavicle on June 11, 2010, 04:27:25 PM
I don't think celebrities need to hide who they are, but they shouldn't play it up either. I don't think lady Gaga should have gone out of her way to play up her persona, but if she really just wanted to dress funky because that is who she is I think it is OK. Kind of hard to tell from the outside what the intent is. The sister wasn't the only grad being honored, so I don't think her saying it is OK changes anything.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: M-theory on June 11, 2010, 04:27:57 PM
I like to think if I were a celebrity I would keep my stage persona totally separate from the way I acted at weddings/at the airport/at Walmart. However, I suspect that isn't a sound business plan for many celebrities. I'm not saying the need to constantly market one's image ("any publicity is good publicity") makes this sort of behaviour OK, just that I think I understand why people do it.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on June 11, 2010, 06:02:31 PM
I don't think celebrities need to hide who they are, but they shouldn't play it up either. I don't think lady Gaga should have gone out of her way to play up her persona, but if she really just wanted to dress funky because that is who she is I think it is OK. Kind of hard to tell from the outside what the intent is. The sister wasn't the only grad being honored, so I don't think her saying it is OK changes anything.

I agree.  If she wanted to wear it to her sister's party and sis was OK that's completely different.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Alex the Seal on June 12, 2010, 07:18:18 AM
I don't think celebrities need to hide who they are, but they shouldn't play it up either. I don't think lady Gaga should have gone out of her way to play up her persona, but if she really just wanted to dress funky because that is who she is I think it is OK. Kind of hard to tell from the outside what the intent is. The sister wasn't the only grad being honored, so I don't think her saying it is OK changes anything.

I agree.  If she wanted to wear it to her sister's party and sis was OK that's completely different.

True, actually.

And much as I love Lady GaGa, her reasoning (as given in the article) for choosing that outfit for that occasion was off. Fine at a class reunion, not so much at a graduation.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Clara Bow on June 13, 2010, 11:37:15 AM
Attention-whore much?

And what did she think that she would accomplish? By looking like a nutball and "snubbing" the school that she attended she proved nothing but that they were right and she is an immature brat. And the current graduating class had nothing to do with her having been bullied for being strange....half of them probably buy her records. So upstaging them for her little snit did no good at all as far as making people sorry for having talked about her. It just confirmed what they had to say.

Better to have shown up in an outfit that was appropriate for the event and having been lowkey and polite for the day....if you don't want to be called weird (or you can't take the heat), then don't be weird. You have the right to look any way you want (and yes, I was one of the "freaks" in school) but there are people who are going to talk. You have to decide how much you're going to let them matter.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Carnation on June 13, 2010, 01:21:51 PM
Attention-whore much?

And what did she think that she would accomplish? By looking like a nutball and "snubbing" the school that she attended she proved nothing but that they were right and she is an immature brat. And the current graduating class had nothing to do with her having been bullied for being strange....half of them probably buy her records. So upstaging them for her little snit did no good at all as far as making people sorry for having talked about her. It just confirmed what they had to say.

Better to have shown up in an outfit that was appropriate for the event and having been lowkey and polite for the day....if you don't want to be called weird (or you can't take the heat), then don't be weird. You have the right to look any way you want (and yes, I was one of the "freaks" in school) but there are people who are going to talk. You have to decide how much you're going to let them matter.

What she said.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: dizzygoround on June 14, 2010, 04:21:39 AM
Why does she need to dress outlandishly to get back at her school for the bullying? She's an international superstar with millions in the bank, and her bullies are not; surely that's all the revenge she needs?!

The day was not about her. Upstaging other celebrities on the red carpet is fine (and expected), but this day was about some regular kids graduating from school. For most of them, this would have been their biggest achievement in life thus far, and they deserved to be the centre of attention. Using their day for her own private agenda was just plain selfish and immature, IMO.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Ceallach on June 14, 2010, 04:44:38 AM
Honestly, I think if I were famous, I would truly relish the "normality" of such an occasion. Getting to just be me and spend some quality time with my family, without my public persona, would be amazing, and probably a rare occurrence.  It would be nice for the cameras to be pointing at somebody else for a change.  But I guess the difference is whether you're a professional for whom celebrity just "comes with the territory", OR whether you're a fame-whore that lives just for publicity and media attention.

I think a celebrity should be aware of the potential attention-stealing that may happen and ensure that their host is comfortable with them attending (presumably they are if they invited them!) and dress and behave just like any other guest. 



Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: penelope2017 on June 14, 2010, 05:11:25 AM
People speculating on her motives should realize that the Post is talking about those motives by quoting unnamed sources and friends. That means absolute zilch in terms of accountability and accuracy.

It's the Post. The paper likes to take a story that's just about nothing and stir the pot.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Ceallach on June 14, 2010, 05:16:21 AM
People speculating on her motives should realize that the Post is talking about those motives by quoting unnamed sources and friends. That means absolute zilch in terms of accountability and accuracy.

It's the Post. The paper likes to take a story that's just about nothing and stir the pot.

I absolutely agree. We can't know anything for sure except for the facts, and should comment on the question objectively rather than on the behaviour or motives that a particular celebrity may or may not have had.   

Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Mopsy428 on June 14, 2010, 09:38:40 AM
Attention-whore much?

And what did she think that she would accomplish? By looking like a nutball and "snubbing" the school that she attended she proved nothing but that they were right and she is an immature brat. And the current graduating class had nothing to do with her having been bullied for being strange....half of them probably buy her records. So upstaging them for her little snit did no good at all as far as making people sorry for having talked about her. It just confirmed what they had to say.

Better to have shown up in an outfit that was appropriate for the event and having been lowkey and polite for the day....if you don't want to be called weird (or you can't take the heat), then don't be weird. You have the right to look any way you want (and yes, I was one of the "freaks" in school) but there are people who are going to talk. You have to decide how much you're going to let them matter.
I couldn't have said it better myself!
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: auntmeegs on June 14, 2010, 11:55:54 AM
People speculating on her motives should realize that the Post is talking about those motives by quoting unnamed sources and friends. That means absolute zilch in terms of accountability and accuracy.

It's the Post. The paper likes to take a story that's just about nothing and stir the pot.

I absolutely agree. We can't know anything for sure except for the facts, and should comment on the question objectively rather than on the behaviour or motives that a particular celebrity may or may not have had.   

We don't have to know anything.  We've seen the outfit.  She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: C0mputerGeek on June 14, 2010, 05:43:04 PM
We don't have to know anything.  We've seen the outfit.  She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity.
We do know that she was rather gaudily dressed for a commencement event. We do not know why. There is no proof that she was gaudily dressed to get back at the school. She wears the same outfits to perform on MTV. Is that to get back at the school as well?

As for whether or not she has class, I've never met the woman and I do not follow her in the news so I am unable to comment on this aspect of her personality.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: lilacbunny on June 14, 2010, 06:20:54 PM
My opinion, which is worth less than 2 cents, is that Lady Gaga was going to steal the attention at the event just by showing up.  The outfit was tame, by her standards.  (The woman has worn telephones and lobsters on her head, for crying out loud.)  If she had shown up in a pencil skirt and cardigan the paparazzi would have been there, taking her picture, commenting on her choice of outfit, etc.  If she had shown up with a lobster on her head and hot pants the paparazzi would have been there, taking her picture, commenting on her choice of outfit, etc. 

I've honestly never thought of a graduation as a "my time to shine" type of event.  It's been reported that her sister was ok with her outfit.  If I had been a graduate I would have thought it was cool as heck that Lady Gaga was there.  I haven't heard any reports from actual students that they were upset.  And honestly, the only people that care about your graduation are the friends and family you invite.  Their eyes are still on you regardless of what anyone else is wearing.

Every college graduation I've attended has had a whole bunch of crazy, attention seeking mortarboards and I've always just laughed at those and never thought they were stealing the thunder of the person I was there to see. 
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Scritzy on June 14, 2010, 09:56:05 PM
PODding Auntie Venom on this one.

And Twik. I've seen her in that beekeeper hat before, and it just freaked me out. I'm afraid of bees.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: nolechica on June 15, 2010, 07:10:06 AM
I'd be willing to bet she'll never set foot at an event for that school again, so the reunion thought holds zero weight for me.  I've wondered for several months if she's capable of just being Stefani anymore, as have many of her fans.  Also, having seen the Alejandro vid, her protest could've been much stranger.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: jillybean on June 15, 2010, 08:23:29 AM
I actually saw the bee-keeper hat as being more of a way to "hide" than as trying to get attention.  Not saying that she was trying to keep her identity a secret but that she was feeling insecure about the situation and it would be comforting to have her face covered so people couldn't read her emotions.  I think maybe some big, dark sunglasses would have been more appropirate and served the same purpose though.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Wonderflonium on June 15, 2010, 11:31:18 AM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: penelope2017 on June 15, 2010, 12:16:50 PM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I am not a fan but there's a pretty simple reason she's a celebrity. She's got tremendous musical talent, for whatever other fanfare she's got going on. There's more of a reason for her to be a celebrity than a lot of the other acts out there today.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Peggy Gus on June 15, 2010, 12:29:58 PM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in that class knew that she was Lady GaGa's sister, so even in normal clothes and make-up she would have been noticed. How does dressing differently equate to not having class?
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on June 15, 2010, 12:34:27 PM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in that class knew that she was Lady GaGa's sister, so even in normal clothes and make-up she would have been noticed. How does dressing differently equate to not having class?

QUite frankly, I could go home and tell my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc that Lady Gaga would be there and they would not know or care who/waht I was talking about.  They would notice the strange person in the bizarre costume at graduation.  There is a pretty big difference to a pretty significant portion of the population.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Peggy Gus on June 15, 2010, 02:23:40 PM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in that class knew that she was Lady GaGa's sister, so even in normal clothes and make-up she would have been noticed. How does dressing differently equate to not having class?

QUite frankly, I could go home and tell my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc that Lady Gaga would be there and they would not know or care who/waht I was talking about.  They would notice the strange person in the bizarre costume at graduation.  There is a pretty big difference to a pretty significant portion of the population.

Oh I agree with that all the way, I'm just saying that even if she had dressed "normally" she would have been noticed.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: penelope2017 on June 15, 2010, 02:34:28 PM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in that class knew that she was Lady GaGa's sister, so even in normal clothes and make-up she would have been noticed. How does dressing differently equate to not having class?

QUite frankly, I could go home and tell my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc that Lady Gaga would be there and they would not know or care who/waht I was talking about.  They would notice the strange person in the bizarre costume at graduation.  There is a pretty big difference to a pretty significant portion of the population.

Right. Same with my parents.  But mine and your parents, aunts and uncles do not have kids in that graduating class. Who all know that Lady Gaga's sister is in the graduating class. By nature of that relationship, I am sure that most attendees knew there was going to be a celebrity there and most by virtue of that connection knew it was Lady Gaga going to be there. Like I said there was a reason that photographers were at this school's graduation. I doubt they are there every year.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Shoo on June 15, 2010, 03:11:53 PM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in that class knew that she was Lady GaGa's sister, so even in normal clothes and make-up she would have been noticed. How does dressing differently equate to not having class?

QUite frankly, I could go home and tell my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc that Lady Gaga would be there and they would not know or care who/waht I was talking about.  They would notice the strange person in the bizarre costume at graduation.  There is a pretty big difference to a pretty significant portion of the population.

Oh I agree with that all the way, I'm just saying that even if she had dressed "normally" she would have been noticed.

Not by everyone.  She's actually very unremarkable looking without her costumes on.  I wouldn't recognize her if she passed me on the sidewalk, and I know who she is.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on June 15, 2010, 03:20:43 PM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in that class knew that she was Lady GaGa's sister, so even in normal clothes and make-up she would have been noticed. How does dressing differently equate to not having class?

QUite frankly, I could go home and tell my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc that Lady Gaga would be there and they would not know or care who/waht I was talking about.  They would notice the strange person in the bizarre costume at graduation.  There is a pretty big difference to a pretty significant portion of the population.

Right. Same with my parents.  But mine and your parents, aunts and uncles do not have kids in that graduating class. Who all know that Lady Gaga's sister is in the graduating class. By nature of that rel@tionship, I am sure that most attendees knew there was going to be a celebrity there and most by virtue of that connection knew it was Lady Gaga going to be there. Like I said there was a reason that photographers were at this school's graduation. I doubt they are there every year.

The photographers know and care but that doesn't mean most attendees know or if they do that they care. 
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Flora Louise on June 16, 2010, 10:48:53 AM
I wonder what will happen if she's MOH at her sister's wedding someday?

Floral taffeta and dyed pumps?
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Wonderflonium on June 16, 2010, 10:52:31 AM
She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity. 

She's a celebrity because some of us like her music. I don't agree with what she did (as others said, if she showed up in normal clothes with minimal make up and normal hair, no one would have even known it was her); however, the message above feels a bit like a slam on those of us who enjoy her music. She's no Mozart, but she's fun.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in that class knew that she was Lady GaGa's sister, so even in normal clothes and make-up she would have been noticed. How does dressing differently equate to not having class?

QUite frankly, I could go home and tell my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc that Lady Gaga would be there and they would not know or care who/waht I was talking about.  They would notice the strange person in the bizarre costume at graduation.  There is a pretty big difference to a pretty significant portion of the population.

Oh I agree with that all the way, I'm just saying that even if she had dressed "normally" she would have been noticed.

Not by everyone.  She's actually very unremarkable looking without her costumes on.  I wouldn't recognize her if she passed me on the sidewalk, and I know who she is.

Ditto. I'm a fan, and I wouldn't know her if she came up and punched me in the face if she weren't in full Gaga mode.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Mikayla on June 16, 2010, 04:56:31 PM
This is somewhat related but this thread reminds me of Oprah crashing those wedding receptions several years back.  From what I recall, at least one couple was thrilled, but there was one who was not.  She did keep her visit short, but massive etiquette fail, especially with the cameras etc.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Ceallach on June 17, 2010, 02:59:19 AM
This is somewhat related but this thread reminds me of Oprah crashing those wedding receptions several years back.  From what I recall, at least one couple was thrilled, but there was one who was not.  She did keep her visit short, but massive etiquette fail, especially with the cameras etc.

My jaw just hit the ground.  I cannot believe she did that!

Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Lisbeth on June 17, 2010, 11:42:20 AM
This is somewhat related but this thread reminds me of Oprah crashing those wedding receptions several years back.  From what I recall, at least one couple was thrilled, but there was one who was not.  She did keep her visit short, but massive etiquette fail, especially with the cameras etc.

I remember that too.  Most of us thought Oprah was out of line, but there was a poster or two who tried to argue that Oprah's celebrity entitled her to do that.  The rest of us argued that neither Oprah nor anyone else had any business crashing weddings, celebrity or not.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Clara Bow on June 17, 2010, 12:55:51 PM
I would have become the first person on earth to call the police and have Oprah removed from a location. That is stunningly rude, entitled and presumptious.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Winterlight on June 17, 2010, 01:44:21 PM
Why was she crashing wedding receptions? ???
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Mikayla on June 17, 2010, 02:12:42 PM

I remember that too.  Most of us thought Oprah was out of line, but there was a poster or two who tried to argue that Oprah's celebrity entitled her to do that.  The rest of us argued that neither Oprah nor anyone else had any business crashing weddings, celebrity or not.
Ooh, I wish I'd seen that.  I can't believe someone would try to make a case on an etiquette board that boorish behavior is fine as long as you make enough money!

Winterlight, it was for a show segment, iirc.  She gave them gifts and then...I dunno.  Did a show.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: AmberVolakis on June 17, 2010, 11:09:18 PM
The sister who graduated has also gotten a bit of press attention as she made a cameo in one of Lady Gaga's videos.

I disagree that she could have necessarily gone incognito, even if she wanted. Most seniors in high schools (especially a smaller private school like this) are pretty familiar with their classmates and even their classmates' families. And because Gaga is so popular with that age group, I think most every graduate in there knew that their classmate is Lady Gaga's little sister and even did a video with her. Even if Gaga dressed down, all it would have taken is for the kids who knew Natali's (the sister)'s parents, find them in the crowd, and then spot Lady Gaga with them, whatever she was wearing. She would be hard to hide, as even dressed down because Lady Gaga and her sister look uncannily alike, almost like twins.

At another event it might be a faux pas but at a high school graduation, I think the grads might have been MORE disappointed had Lady Gaga not shown up, or shown up in a boring outfit. Any high schooler I know would rather have seen Lady Gaga at their graduation dressed in her style rather than her not show up at all, or show up and "be boring" because she might offend the parents in the audience. Most graduations are a long bit of monotony with about 30 seconds of individualized excitement (when "your" grad walks across the stage). As long as made no ruckus in the audience to disrupt that, she would be fine.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Carnation on June 18, 2010, 07:10:17 AM
I would have become the first person on earth to call the police and have Oprah removed from a location. That is stunningly rude, entitled and presumptious.

Oprah Winfrey, special snowflake.

Film at 11.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: penelope2017 on June 18, 2010, 07:12:30 AM
The sister who graduated has also gotten a bit of press attention as she made a cameo in one of Lady Gaga's videos.

I disagree that she could have necessarily gone incognito, even if she wanted. Most seniors in high schools (especially a smaller private school like this) are pretty familiar with their classmates and even their classmates' families. And because Gaga is so popular with that age group, I think most every graduate in there knew that their classmate is Lady Gaga's little sister and even did a video with her. Even if Gaga dressed down, all it would have taken is for the kids who knew Natali's (the sister)'s parents, find them in the crowd, and then spot Lady Gaga with them, whatever she was wearing. She would be hard to hide, as even dressed down because Lady Gaga and her sister look uncannily alike, almost like twins.

At another event it might be a faux pas but at a high school graduation, I think the grads might have been MORE disappointed had Lady Gaga not shown up, or shown up in a boring outfit. Any high schooler I know would rather have seen Lady Gaga at their graduation dressed in her style rather than her not show up at all, or show up and "be boring" because she might offend the parents in the audience. Most graduations are a long bit of monotony with about 30 seconds of individualized excitement (when "your" grad walks across the stage). As long as made no ruckus in the audience to disrupt that, she would be fine.

Well said Amber. You made the point I've been trying to make throughout the thread better than I have.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: McFarlane on June 22, 2010, 08:14:09 AM
I'm going to agree with Lilac Bunny on this one. Out of the hundreds of people present, the only people I expected to be cheering for me at my high school graduation were my family and friends, and they still would have cheered for me if Jesus Christ himself were sitting in the bleachers. President Obama came to speak at a high school graduation in my hometown this year, and I imagine that had to be a *lot* more interesting/exciting than a pop star showing up just to watch. If I were one of those kids, I'd think it was neat to have someone famous there to make my graduation stand out. It'd definitely be a story for the grand kids. Still, I obviously can't speak for everyone, so that's just my 2 cents.

As for the outfit, I can at least understand her reasoning from an interview she once gave (I can't remember where, or I'd link it). In it, she said something like she doesn't really have "street clothes" as she believes celebrities owe it to their fans to be dressed to the nines at all times, and she thinks it's weird when celebrities go out in sweats and no make up, or what have you. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this statement, but that seems to be her reasoning for getting into costume at every available opportunity.



Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Lisbeth on June 22, 2010, 10:22:32 AM
The sister who graduated has also gotten a bit of press attention as she made a cameo in one of Lady Gaga's videos.

I disagree that she could have necessarily gone incognito, even if she wanted. Most seniors in high schools (especially a smaller private school like this) are pretty familiar with their classmates and even their classmates' families. And because Gaga is so popular with that age group, I think most every graduate in there knew that their classmate is Lady Gaga's little sister and even did a video with her. Even if Gaga dressed down, all it would have taken is for the kids who knew Natali's (the sister)'s parents, find them in the crowd, and then spot Lady Gaga with them, whatever she was wearing. She would be hard to hide, as even dressed down because Lady Gaga and her sister look uncannily alike, almost like twins.

At another event it might be a faux pas but at a high school graduation, I think the grads might have been MORE disappointed had Lady Gaga not shown up, or shown up in a boring outfit. Any high schooler I know would rather have seen Lady Gaga at their graduation dressed in her style rather than her not show up at all, or show up and "be boring" because she might offend the parents in the audience. Most graduations are a long bit of monotony with about 30 seconds of individualized excitement (when "your" grad walks across the stage). As long as made no ruckus in the audience to disrupt that, she would be fine.

But Lady Gaga was not there to "perform" for the high schoolers, so whether or not they would have been "disappointed" by her appearance is immaterial.  I think she was obligated not to call attention to herself that she might have received at a "celebrity outing," shall we say and tone herself down.  She was not "fine" to call attention to herself that any other guest would not have received.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: TheBardess on June 30, 2010, 08:50:00 PM
We don't have to know anything.  We've seen the outfit.  She's got no class and I continued to wonder how on earth this woman even became a celebrity.
We do know that she was rather gaudily dressed for a commencement event. We do not know why. There is no proof that she was gaudily dressed to get back at the school. She wears the same outfits to perform on MTV. Is that to get back at the school as well?

As for whether or not she has class, I've never met the woman and I do not follow her in the news so I am unable to comment on this aspect of her personality.

But she wasn't performing on MTV. She was attending a high school graduation. Appropriate attire for the former is almost certainly not appropriate attire for the latter. I usually wear jeans and t-shirts/tank tops or layered shirts, but just because that how I usually dress doesn't mean I wouldn't change it when the occasion required.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: TheBardess on June 30, 2010, 08:59:39 PM
I've noticed a lot of posters saying that Gaga couldn't have gone incognito if she wanted to, or that the paparazzi, etc. would have found her even without an outlandish outfit. That may be true, but I still don't think it's an excuse. She had choices here: either figure that she's going to be recognized no matter what, so just go all out OR figure that she's going to be recognized no matter what, but do what she can to keep that recognition to a minimum and deflect the attention from herself back to the grads but toning it down for a day. She apparently went with the first option when, IMO, the second one would have been much classier and more appropriate.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Allie003 on July 04, 2010, 05:56:50 PM
I have a bit of a different take on this. I graduated from high school with the sister of an actress who, at the time, was the most famous actress around. She's still super famous! The actress arrived a week early, watched our senior play, attended our graduation, and almost no one knew (we happened to be good friends, so I knew). The actress and her family worked really hard to make sure the focus stayed on us, not on her.

To me, that's the classy way to handle this situation. Lady Gaga...not so much. Although "Paparazzi" is still my current favorite sing a long song.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: TheBardess on July 04, 2010, 09:21:27 PM
I have a bit of a different take on this. I graduated from high school with the sister of an actress who, at the time, was the most famous actress around. She's still super famous! The actress arrived a week early, watched our senior play, attended our graduation, and almost no one knew (we happened to be good friends, so I knew). The actress and her family worked really hard to make sure the focus stayed on us, not on her.

To me, that's the classy way to handle this situation. Lady Gaga...not so much. Although "Paparazzi" is still my current favorite sing a long song.

Pod, pod, poddity-pod! (Can I ask who the actress was??  ;D)

Also, if it's true that Gaga dressed the way she did as a way to "get back" at the school and classmates she disliked, that makes it even more inappropriate. Someone else's graduation is neither the time nor the place to be acting out your own petty vendettas.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Twik on July 05, 2010, 02:36:01 PM
I still wonder if she's become so used to using her persona as a shield that she really can't bring herself to appear in public without all the costuming.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: evely28 on July 05, 2010, 03:00:17 PM
I still wonder if she's become so used to using her persona as a shield that she really can't bring herself to appear in public without all the costuming.

It does just seem to be her way of dressing. It's her normal.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: TheBardess on July 05, 2010, 10:37:51 PM
I still wonder if she's become so used to using her persona as a shield that she really can't bring herself to appear in public without all the costuming.

It does just seem to be her way of dressing. It's her normal.

That still doesn't make it appropriate. My "normal" is jeans and a tank top, but I'm not going to wear that to a friend's formal wedding. I'm going to dress up in formal clothes out of respect for the couple. Sometimes your own personal comfort has to give way to accommodate the needs of other people and situations.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: purplemuse on July 06, 2010, 10:45:07 AM
I have a bit of a different take on this. I graduated from high school with the sister of an actress who, at the time, was the most famous actress around. She's still super famous! The actress arrived a week early, watched our senior play, attended our graduation, and almost no one knew (we happened to be good friends, so I knew). The actress and her family worked really hard to make sure the focus stayed on us, not on her.

To me, that's the classy way to handle this situation. Lady Gaga...not so much. Although "Paparazzi" is still my current favorite sing a long song.

Pod, pod, poddity-pod! (Can I ask who the actress was??  ;D)

Also, if it's true that Gaga dressed the way she did as a way to "get back" at the school and classmates she disliked, that makes it even more inappropriate. Someone else's graduation is neither the time nor the place to be acting out your own petty vendettas.

I agree.

And even if some of the students would be thrilled to have their graduation "upstaged" by Lady Gaga, that doesn't mean everyone would, and it's those students' graduation too.

I mean, if Britney Spears (the big, popular one when I graduated) had shown up at my graduation and drawn attention away from the event, and people were telling me I should be thrilled to have seen her there, my response would probably have been:  "Why?  I'm not a fan."
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 06, 2010, 10:50:54 AM
And even if some of the students would be thrilled to have their graduation "upstaged" by Lady Gaga, that doesn't mean everyone would, and it's those students' graduation too.

But so long as she sat quietly through the ceremony, she didn't upstage anything.

If the rest of the audience is so rude and crass as to cause a disturbance, that's not really her fault, any more then it would be the fault of someone completely unknown, but dressed in traditional cultural clothing that caught the eye.

Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on July 06, 2010, 11:21:01 AM
And even if some of the students would be thrilled to have their graduation "upstaged" by Lady Gaga, that doesn't mean everyone would, and it's those students' graduation too.

But so long as she sat quietly through the ceremony, she didn't upstage anything.

If the rest of the audience is so rude and crass as to cause a disturbance, that's not really her fault, any more then it would be the fault of someone completely unknown, but dressed in traditional cultural clothing that caught the eye.



A strobe light doesn't have to make noise to be distracting.  Her attire has the same impact as a strobe light.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 06, 2010, 01:23:03 PM
A strobe light doesn't have to make noise to be distracting.  Her attire has the same impact as a strobe light.

Not if you are not looking at it.

Once the ceremony is on and everyone is seated her outfit would not have stood out in the crowd, unless the crowd made a point of staring. If they choose to do so that doesn't make her rude for wearing an outfit that is typical for her, anymore then it would make someone rude for wearing a Sari, a kilt, a kimono, etc.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Bob Ducca on July 07, 2010, 07:51:23 PM
A strobe light doesn't have to make noise to be distracting.  Her attire has the same impact as a strobe light.

Not if you are not looking at it.

Once the ceremony is on and everyone is seated her outfit would not have stood out in the crowd, unless the crowd made a point of staring. If they choose to do so that doesn't make her rude for wearing an outfit that is typical for her, anymore then it would make someone rude for wearing a Sari, a kilt, a kimono, etc.

Speaking only from my own experience: I see people wearing various forms of cultural dress all the time.  I live in a suburb in Texas, not New York City, so I would assume that, in a city so much more diverse than my own, students would be far more accustomed to various styles of cultural garb than I.  I don't think equating a cultural form of dress with a deliberately outlandish and attention-grabbing fashion choice is a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 07, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
I don't think equating a cultural form of dress with a deliberately outlandish and attention-grabbing fashion choice is a fair comparison.

Cultural garb that comes out once or twice a year is as attention getting as wearing a ball gown or a beekeepers hat. Just because it is traditional does not make it less noticable, or in my opinion more acceptable. But that's because I don't have a problem with what Gaga wore provided she sat down and quietly watched the ceremony.

If everyone is quietly seated, clothing is a minimal distraction.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: rose red on July 08, 2010, 11:30:27 AM
If everyone is quietly seated, clothing is a minimal distraction.

So if I sit quietly, it's OK for me to wear old sweatpants and oversized t-shirt (my norm) to one of my best friend's upcoming huge formal wedding?  Yay!
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: TheBardess on July 08, 2010, 11:44:44 AM
A strobe light doesn't have to make noise to be distracting.  Her attire has the same impact as a strobe light.

Not if you are not looking at it.

Once the ceremony is on and everyone is seated her outfit would not have stood out in the crowd, unless the crowd made a point of staring. If they choose to do so that doesn't make her rude for wearing an outfit that is typical for her, anymore then it would make someone rude for wearing a Sari, a kilt, a kimono, etc.

I think the difference is this:

Scenario 1: Person in a sari

Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Oh, wow, what a beautiful sari! (admires for a few more minutes, moves on, focuses attention back on ceremony. Perhaps points out sari to friend, but it is a minimum distraction to both of them)

Scenario 2: Lady Gaga in outrageous getup

Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

So I think there is a real difference between someone wearing garb indicative of their culture, and a celebrity (who is likely already going to attract some notice) dressing in a manner that is likely to attract EVEN MORE notice at an event that is intended to honor other people.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 08, 2010, 12:09:30 PM
So if I sit quietly, it's OK for me to wear old sweatpants and oversized t-shirt (my norm) to one of my best friend's upcoming huge formal wedding?  Yay!

The main concern was that she was taking attention from the grads. My point it that is if she seated herself quietly, it's the audience that would have done that. The same would apply if you choose to wear a sweat suit to a wedding.

We had a couple of old friends of my FIL and DH rather plainly dressed at our wedding. No one cared. Nor do I think a Lady Gaga at my graduation would have been more then pre-ceremony entertainment for the crowd.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 08, 2010, 12:15:56 PM
A strobe light doesn't have to make noise to be distracting.  Her attire has the same impact as a strobe light.

Not if you are not looking at it.

Once the ceremony is on and everyone is seated her outfit would not have stood out in the crowd, unless the crowd made a point of staring. If they choose to do so that doesn't make her rude for wearing an outfit that is typical for her, anymore then it would make someone rude for wearing a Sari, a kilt, a kimono, etc.

I think the difference is this:

Scenario 1: Person in a sari

Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Oh, wow, what a beautiful sari! (admires for a few more minutes, moves on, focuses attention back on ceremony. Perhaps points out sari to friend, but it is a minimum distraction to both of them)

Scenario 2: Lady Gaga in outrageous getup

Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

So I think there is a real difference between someone wearing garb indicative of their culture, and a celebrity (who is likely already going to attract some notice) dressing in a manner that is likely to attract EVEN MORE notice at an event that is intended to honor other people.

You hit the nail on the head!
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 08, 2010, 12:36:19 PM
Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

Is there any evidence that this happened? Because I think that would be more likely to happen if she was dressed 'normally.'

By dressing in the fashion she did, she's easy to spot, the heads turn early, spot her even before she's seated, and move on. They don't have to keep scanning the audience looking for her, or distract themselves from dull speeches by seeing if they can guess where she is sitting.

If she is to attend at all, I think she is allowed to dress in her customary manner. I don't like requiring her to 'tone it down for the norms.' If you're going to do that, you might as well ban celebs from attending any public functions.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on July 08, 2010, 02:14:12 PM
Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

Is there any evidence that this happened? Because I think that would be more likely to happen if she was dressed 'normally.'

By dressing in the fashion she did, she's easy to spot, the heads turn early, spot her even before she's seated, and move on. They don't have to keep scanning the audience looking for her, or distract themselves from dull speeches by seeing if they can guess where she is sitting.

If she is to attend at all, I think she is allowed to dress in her customary manner. I don't like requiring her to 'tone it down for the norms.' If you're going to do that, you might as well ban celebs from attending any public functions.

Honestly I don't know that she is important enough for them to do that.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Bob Ducca on July 08, 2010, 02:25:30 PM
I don't think equating a cultural form of dress with a deliberately outlandish and attention-grabbing fashion choice is a fair comparison.

Cultural garb that comes out once or twice a year is as attention getting as wearing a ball gown or a beekeepers hat. Just because it is traditional does not make it less noticable, or in my opinion more acceptable. But that's because I don't have a problem with what Gaga wore provided she sat down and quietly watched the ceremony.

If everyone is quietly seated, clothing is a minimal distraction.

If someone only wears cultural clothing once or twice a year, and does it to deliberately attract attention to themselves, then I think you are making a fair comparison.  Most of the people with whom I am acquainted wear their cultural garb normally, all the time, and not to garner attention to themselves.

Lady Gaga dresses to attract attention to herself.  It's why she does it.  Someone wearing "plain" clothing at a wedding is in no way comparable.  Dressing appropriately is given a very wide interpretation on this board, but something I think is almost universally agreed on as rude is dressing in a way calculated to draw attention to one's self and away from the honoree/focus of the event.

If a guest attends a wedding in a big white wedding dress, that is rude, no matter how quietly he or she sits during the ceremony.  To say that dress is never an issue as long as the person in question is quiet simply isn't true.

Lady Gaga had two choices if she wanted to attend her sister's graduation: dress like a "normal" person, which, although she would have gotten attention, would have made it at least appear as though she was only there to support her sister, or dress to distract, which made it appear as though she was there to get attention for herself.  I am not saying that her dressing differently would have made people not notice her.  I'm saying if she had worn a simple, normal outfit, it would have appeared as though she was at least making an effort not to attract attention away from her sister and the other graduates, and she chose not to do that.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Hushabye on July 08, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
There is also Lady Gaga and there is Stephani, the woman who wears the persona of Lady Gaga.  She could have come as herself, but she chose to come as Lady Gaga.  I'm with whoever wondered earlier if she's really able to separate the two right now.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Aeris on July 08, 2010, 03:03:56 PM
Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

Is there any evidence that this happened? Because I think that would be more likely to happen if she was dressed 'normally.'

By dressing in the fashion she did, she's easy to spot, the heads turn early, spot her even before she's seated, and move on. They don't have to keep scanning the audience looking for her, or distract themselves from dull speeches by seeing if they can guess where she is sitting.

If she is to attend at all, I think she is allowed to dress in her customary manner. I don't like requiring her to 'tone it down for the norms.' If you're going to do that, you might as well ban celebs from attending any public functions.

Honestly I don't know that she is important enough for them to do that.

I'm making no judgments right now about whether her outfit was appropriate, and also haven't decided whether her dressing normally or normal-for-Lady-Gaga would have attracted *more* attention, but I really think you're massively underestimating the importance of Lady Gaga to this age range/group/etc.

She's going to be a big deal, regardless of what she wears. And in all likelihood, the rumor mill at this school had long before the ceremony gone wild on the possibility of her attending the graduation - it's not like it was a secret that her sister went there, or that she was graduating. I'm going to bet money that a whole bunch of the graduates were *already* primed and scanning for Lady Gaga before she ever showed up.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: TheBardess on July 08, 2010, 03:11:53 PM
Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

Is there any evidence that this happened? Because I think that would be more likely to happen if she was dressed 'normally.'

By dressing in the fashion she did, she's easy to spot, the heads turn early, spot her even before she's seated, and move on. They don't have to keep scanning the audience looking for her, or distract themselves from dull speeches by seeing if they can guess where she is sitting.

If she is to attend at all, I think she is allowed to dress in her customary manner. I don't like requiring her to 'tone it down for the norms.' If you're going to do that, you might as well ban celebs from attending any public functions.

Honestly I don't know that she is important enough for them to do that.

Although apparently she's important enough for us all to spend several days and six pages picking apart her outfit and her motivation for wearing it...  ;)

I think we're getting to the point here where there isn't much new to say, the points have been made, and we're all just going to have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 08, 2010, 03:16:56 PM
Cultural garb that comes out once or twice a year is as attention getting as wearing a ball gown or a beekeepers hat. Just because it is traditional does not make it less noticable, or in my opinion more acceptable. But that's because I don't have a problem with what Gaga wore provided she sat down and quietly watched the ceremony.

I know many Native Americans that are never seen in cultural clothing, but do pull it out for ceremonies, in the same way other people pull out the suits and dresses. I just don't think the dress I wear twice a year ought to be any more acceptable for being rather dull.  

Noting that my opinion is based on the set up of a graduation, the formality of which encourages people to focus on the stage. If everyone is quietly seated, even a bee keepers hat and funky shoes don't really stand out.

A different public function might get a different answer from me.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: jimithing on July 08, 2010, 03:57:48 PM
Cultural garb that comes out once or twice a year is as attention getting as wearing a ball gown or a beekeepers hat. Just because it is traditional does not make it less noticable, or in my opinion more acceptable. But that's because I don't have a problem with what Gaga wore provided she sat down and quietly watched the ceremony.

Noting that my opinion is based on the set up of a graduation, the formality of which encourages people to focus on the stage. If everyone is quietly seated, even a bee keepers hat and funky shoes don't really stand out.


Really? Because I would immediately focus on the person wearing a giant bee keeper's hat, that is huge and bulky. Shoes are one thing, but a bee keepers hat? If someone showed up wearing an astronaut helmet, I'm pretty sure that would stand out as well.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 08, 2010, 04:12:46 PM
Really? Because I would immediately focus on the person wearing a giant bee keeper's hat, that is huge and bulky. Shoes are one thing, but a bee keepers hat? If someone showed up wearing an astronaut helmet, I'm pretty sure that would stand out as well.

You would turn your head and make it obvious you were looking at them? For the entire ceremony? You could be distracted by an astronaut helmet for an entire 2 hour ceremony?  I guess I just don't find odd clothing THAT big a distraction.

I mean, I don't even do that for really awesome mohawks  ;D
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on July 09, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

Is there any evidence that this happened? Because I think that would be more likely to happen if she was dressed 'normally.'

By dressing in the fashion she did, she's easy to spot, the heads turn early, spot her even before she's seated, and move on. They don't have to keep scanning the audience looking for her, or distract themselves from dull speeches by seeing if they can guess where she is sitting.

If she is to attend at all, I think she is allowed to dress in her customary manner. I don't like requiring her to 'tone it down for the norms.' If you're going to do that, you might as well ban celebs from attending any public functions.

Honestly I don't know that she is important enough for them to do that.

I'm making no judgments right now about whether her outfit was appropriate, and also haven't decided whether her dressing normally or normal-for-Lady-Gaga would have attracted *more* attention, but I really think you're massively underestimating the importance of Lady Gaga to this age range/group/etc.

She's going to be a big deal, regardless of what she wears. And in all likelihood, the rumor mill at this school had long before the ceremony gone wild on the possibility of her attending the graduation - it's not like it was a secret that her sister went there, or that she was graduating. I'm going to bet money that a whole bunch of the graduates were *already* primed and scanning for Lady Gaga before she ever showed up.

Aeris I teach that age range and I have one kid out of 150 who have displayed any interest in Lady Gaga.  My kids are mostly into rap.  I don't know what the ratio is at this high school but there are places whre she really doesn't rate that high among teens and young adults.  She was a misfit when she lived/attended there and they mgiht still see her that way.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Aeris on July 09, 2010, 05:09:56 PM
Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

Is there any evidence that this happened? Because I think that would be more likely to happen if she was dressed 'normally.'

By dressing in the fashion she did, she's easy to spot, the heads turn early, spot her even before she's seated, and move on. They don't have to keep scanning the audience looking for her, or distract themselves from dull speeches by seeing if they can guess where she is sitting.

If she is to attend at all, I think she is allowed to dress in her customary manner. I don't like requiring her to 'tone it down for the norms.' If you're going to do that, you might as well ban celebs from attending any public functions.

Honestly I don't know that she is important enough for them to do that.

I'm making no judgments right now about whether her outfit was appropriate, and also haven't decided whether her dressing normally or normal-for-Lady-Gaga would have attracted *more* attention, but I really think you're massively underestimating the importance of Lady Gaga to this age range/group/etc.

She's going to be a big deal, regardless of what she wears. And in all likelihood, the rumor mill at this school had long before the ceremony gone wild on the possibility of her attending the graduation - it's not like it was a secret that her sister went there, or that she was graduating. I'm going to bet money that a whole bunch of the graduates were *already* primed and scanning for Lady Gaga before she ever showed up.

Aeris I teach that age range and I have one kid out of 150 who have displayed any interest in Lady Gaga.  My kids are mostly into rap.  I don't know what the ratio is at this high school but there are places whre she really doesn't rate that high among teens and young adults.  She was a misfit when she lived/attended there and they mgiht still see her that way.

It's possible, sure. But your most made it sound like that was the more likely situation, and I really doubt that's true.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: nolechica on July 09, 2010, 05:20:46 PM
Graduation Attendee (glancing idly around the audience): *thinks to self* Geez, what is that woman wear...holy cow, is that Lady Gaga???? *elbows friend and whispers* Hey, look, I think that's Lady Gaga!!!
Friend: Oh my gosh, you're right! *elbows other friend and points* Look, it's Lady Gaga!
3rd Friend: CRUD MONKEYS!! GAGA!!! *elbows OTHER friend* Did you know Gaga is here???
etc., etc. until pretty soon most of the audience is focused on trying to spot Gaga, rather than on the graduates.

Is there any evidence that this happened? Because I think that would be more likely to happen if she was dressed 'normally.'

By dressing in the fashion she did, she's easy to spot, the heads turn early, spot her even before she's seated, and move on. They don't have to keep scanning the audience looking for her, or distract themselves from dull speeches by seeing if they can guess where she is sitting.

If she is to attend at all, I think she is allowed to dress in her customary manner. I don't like requiring her to 'tone it down for the norms.' If you're going to do that, you might as well ban celebs from attending any public functions.

Honestly I don't know that she is important enough for them to do that.

I'm making no judgments right now about whether her outfit was appropriate, and also haven't decided whether her dressing normally or normal-for-Lady-Gaga would have attracted *more* attention, but I really think you're massively underestimating the importance of Lady Gaga to this age range/group/etc.

She's going to be a big deal, regardless of what she wears. And in all likelihood, the rumor mill at this school had long before the ceremony gone wild on the possibility of her attending the graduation - it's not like it was a secret that her sister went there, or that she was graduating. I'm going to bet money that a whole bunch of the graduates were *already* primed and scanning for Lady Gaga before she ever showed up.

Aeris I teach that age range and I have one kid out of 150 who have displayed any interest in Lady Gaga.  My kids are mostly into rap.  I don't know what the ratio is at this high school but there are places whre she really doesn't rate that high among teens and young adults.  She was a misfit when she lived/attended there and they mgiht still see her that way.

Places where Top 40 radio is the norm, I guarantee the kids know her, whether they like her or not.  She generally has 2 top 40 songs at a time.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on July 09, 2010, 05:29:45 PM
That doesn't mean she'd get a huge response from the hometown crowd who remember her before her fame. The mystery and glamour would not be the same for them because they'd remember the embarrassing and mundane moments from her life. 
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: nolechica on July 09, 2010, 06:35:10 PM
That doesn't mean she'd get a huge response from the hometown crowd who remember her before her fame. The mystery and glamour would not be the same for them because they'd remember the embarrassing and mundane moments from her life. 

I don't think she would, regardless of what she wore, out of respect for Natali.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: jimithing on July 10, 2010, 12:18:08 PM
That doesn't mean she'd get a huge response from the hometown crowd who remember her before her fame. The mystery and glamour would not be the same for them because they'd remember the embarrassing and mundane moments from her life.  

The problem with this is that it's not just the hometown, which actually happens to be Manhattan, that are at the graduation. The crowd is going to be mostly made up of people who did *not* know her, which would be friends and family. And many people come and go in high school, which I would think would be especially true of NYC. Her sister is also 6-7 years younger than her, so most of the people there would not remember her. She isn't going back 2 years later, where freshman and sophomores are now seniors.

I think people are underestimating the kind of response and distraction she would be. I read, last week, that she is the most popular living person in regards to social media (Twitter and FB), and is the first person to reach 10 million fans on FB. As someone who is a fan of hers and does enjoy her music, while I wouldn't be taking pictures or accosting her, I would definitely be interested in what she was doing, and would probably watch her throughout the graduation. It wouldn't be very hard to do, considering how much she would stick out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: nolechica on July 10, 2010, 02:28:06 PM
That doesn't mean she'd get a huge response from the hometown crowd who remember her before her fame. The mystery and glamour would not be the same for them because they'd remember the embarrassing and mundane moments from her life.  

The problem with this is that it's not just the hometown, which actually happens to be Manhattan, that are at the graduation. The crowd is going to be mostly made up of people who did *not* know her, which would be friends and family. And many people come and go in high school, which I would think would be especially true of NYC. Her sister is also 6-7 years younger than her, so most of the people there would not remember her. She isn't going back 2 years later, where freshman and sophomores are now seniors.

I think people are underestimating the kind of response and distraction she would be. I read, last week, that she is the most popular living person in regards to social media (Twitter and FB), and is the first person to reach 10 million fans on FB. As someone who is a fan of hers and does enjoy her music, while I wouldn't be taking pictures or accosting her, I would definitely be interested in what she was doing, and would probably watch her throughout the graduation. It wouldn't be very hard to do, considering how much she would stick out like a sore thumb.

Yeah, my Twitter feed would expect info if I said I saw her somewhere, same as the other singers we follow.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Neptune on September 19, 2010, 12:00:50 AM
I must say, I'm surprised at the number of posters who have given Gaga a pass here.  If she had worn that outfit to a wedding I doubt posters would be so forgiving.  ONE DOESN'T UPSTAGE THE GUEST OF HONOR  In this case that's the graduates.  Just because her sister was okay with it doesn't make it okay-she wasn't the only graduate.  Suggesting they'd all be pleased just to have her there is ludicrous.  I was in a graduating class of 24-our tastes, interests & personalities were quite varied.   She was rude & thoughtless.  ONE DOESN'T UPSTAGE THE GUEST OF HONOR
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: evely28 on September 19, 2010, 02:23:52 PM
I must say, I'm surprised at the number of posters who have given Gaga a pass here.  If she had worn that outfit to a wedding I doubt posters would be so forgiving.  ONE DOESN'T UPSTAGE THE GUEST OF HONOR  In this case that's the graduates.  Just because her sister was okay with it doesn't make it okay-she wasn't the only graduate.  Suggesting they'd all be pleased just to have her there is ludicrous.  I was in a graduating class of 24-our tastes, interests & personalities were quite varied.   She was rude & thoughtless.  ONE DOESN'T UPSTAGE THE GUEST OF HONOR

For Lady Gaga that is her normal wear. I do think it to be too much of an expectation to invite someone known to be very un-conservative and non-conformist and then expect they will dress according to your standards. There was a thread about dying one's hair blue. Right before an event it was considered attention getting. A while before an event it was considered to be OK and it was just part of them. Lady Gaga would be getting attention no matter what she was wearing. How she dress'es is who she is and no matter the event, her attendance is upstaging all by itself.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: TheBardess on September 19, 2010, 02:41:28 PM
I must say, I'm surprised at the number of posters who have given Gaga a pass here.  If she had worn that outfit to a wedding I doubt posters would be so forgiving.  ONE DOESN'T UPSTAGE THE GUEST OF HONOR  In this case that's the graduates.  Just because her sister was okay with it doesn't make it okay-she wasn't the only graduate.  Suggesting they'd all be pleased just to have her there is ludicrous.  I was in a graduating class of 24-our tastes, interests & personalities were quite varied.   She was rude & thoughtless.  ONE DOESN'T UPSTAGE THE GUEST OF HONOR

For Lady Gaga that is her normal wear. I do think it to be too much of an expectation to invite someone known to be very un-conservative and non-conformist and then expect they will dress according to your standards. There was a thread about dying one's hair blue. Right before an event it was considered attention getting. A while before an event it was considered to be OK and it was just part of them. Lady Gaga would be getting attention no matter what she was wearing. How she dress'es is who she is and no matter the event, her attendance is upstaging all by itself.

Once again- s if my "normal wear" is jeans and an old t-shirt, that's okay for me to wear to my friend's black tie wedding? After all, it's obviously too much of an expectation for my friend to invite me to her formal wedding when she knows I am super-casual, and then expect me to dress according to her standards for her event.

Just because something is "normal" for you doesn't mean it is okay for you to wear it everywhere, to every occasion. Sometimes, respect and consideration for other people demands that you put aside your own preferences and act in a situation-appropriate manner. I'm pretty sure Gaga could have survived without her bizarre getup for one afternoon, to try and make sure that the attention stayed where it belonged- on the graduates.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: hyzenthlay on September 19, 2010, 07:42:23 PM
Once again- s if my "normal wear" is jeans and an old t-shirt, that's okay for me to wear to my friend's black tie wedding?

Firstly, a graduation is not a wedding. There is not a single guest of honor, it is a ceremony with potentially thousands of guests, and once seated Gaga's outfit would not have been any more distracting then a colorful hat or head scarf. Since there is not a single person being honored the dress code must be wide and varied to suit the large number of people there to celebrate their own graduate.

Second, not I did not expect our jeans and t-shirts friends to wear anything other then jeans and a nice shirt to our afternoon wedding, even though many guests were in suits. I would not have hosted a black tie event because so many of our friends and family do not own black tie clothing. I was more concerned with their comfort, then with any need for formality.  So yes, I think it is expecting a lot to have someone with only casual clothes come up to standard for a highly formal event.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Secret on October 31, 2010, 07:06:47 PM
I think Lady Gaga was in a "You're darned if you do and you're darned if you don't." situation.  If she came outrageously dressed (which she did).  She was staying true to her Lady Gaga persona and giving some people what they'd like to see, especially the paparazzi and her fans and she is staying in her Lady Gaga character.  If she came as herself, she would have been talked about how she didn't dress up as normal and she'd be talked about no matter what she wore, so she probably went "screw it, I'll stay in my public persona"
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on November 01, 2010, 05:49:22 AM
I think Lady Gaga was in a "You're darned if you do and you're darned if you don't." situation.  If she came outrageously dressed (which she did).  She was staying true to her Lady Gaga persona and giving some people what they'd like to see, especially the paparazzi and her fans and she is staying in her Lady Gaga character.  If she came as herself, she would have been talked about how she didn't dress up as normal and she'd be talked about no matter what she wore, so she probably went "screw it, I'll stay in my public persona"


she wasn't making an appearance for har fans or the paparazzi.  she was part of the fans there for the graduates.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: blue2000 on November 01, 2010, 07:29:23 AM
I think Lady Gaga was in a "You're darned if you do and you're darned if you don't." situation.  If she came outrageously dressed (which she did).  She was staying true to her Lady Gaga persona and giving some people what they'd like to see, especially the paparazzi and her fans and she is staying in her Lady Gaga character.  If she came as herself, she would have been talked about how she didn't dress up as normal and she'd be talked about no matter what she wore, so she probably went "screw it, I'll stay in my public persona"


she wasn't making an appearance for har fans or the paparazzi.  she was part of the fans there for the graduates.

She said once in an interview that she believes a celebrity should be 'on' all the time in public, for the sake of their fans. So she dresses that way for any appearance, anywhere she goes, even if she isn't a featured/honoured guest. A trip to the mall is an appearance for her.

IDK, maybe she would have dressed down if her sister asked her to, maybe not. But otherwise, she was following her own 'dress code' and not one of politeness.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Sharnita on November 01, 2010, 07:37:46 AM
SO she believes she should always be on - so what?  somebody might believe that announcing their enggement at somebody else's wedding is a wonderful favor to everybody attending because it makes the event even more special.  The fact that they believe these things don't make the actions particularly polite.
Title: Re: Celebrities upstaging others' social events?
Post by: Just Lori on November 01, 2010, 07:49:01 AM
IDK, maybe she would have dressed down if her sister asked her to, maybe not. But otherwise, she was following her own 'dress code' and not one of politeness.

I have to agree with the bolded part  of your statement.