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Title: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Yankee-Belle on July 21, 2010, 12:17:15 PM

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/will-chelsea-clintons-wedding-ruin-mine-a-bridal-nightmare-2077400/

On one hand I can see that it could be a logistical nightmare, but really, was Chelsea supposed to call around to make sure no one was getting married on the same day?
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Bibliophile on July 21, 2010, 12:18:28 PM
I know - I thought the same thing.  I can imagine being a bit worried, but I'd never talk to reporters about it...
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Elfqueen13 on July 21, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
How can this be considered anyone's fault?  I can't imagine it's easy finding a venue capable of handling 400 high profile guests to begin with, much less finding one in a place that will not impact anyone else.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Dindrane on July 21, 2010, 12:23:57 PM
Yeah, I can definitely understand being worried and frustrated and even privately annoyed, but it's not anyone's fault.

I do hope, though, that the local police and whoever else are able to figure out a way to keep security whatever it needs to be, but still allow this other wedding's guests to get where they have to go.  It's kind of extraordinary circumstances, so here's hoping everyone is understanding.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Namárië on July 21, 2010, 12:41:23 PM
I know - I thought the same thing.  I can imagine being a bit worried, but I'd never talk to reporters about it...

To her credit, the press sought her out, not the other way around. I could see someone who is already irritated giving in to the temptation to talk about it when pressed.

I do think it is ridiculous that the police can't talk about road closures in advance! I understand why, but it creates so much unnecessary hassle.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: MadMadge43 on July 21, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
I've had a few delays and detours because of various Presidents. It's annoying, but you understand. But I will say there's a huge difference between having your flight delayed 30 minutes and your entire wedding turn into a logistical nightmare.

And the poor woman doesn't even know for sure if this is going to happen. I can't say I blame Chelsea but it would be nice if she recognizes it in some way.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Lisbeth on July 21, 2010, 12:59:36 PM
It certainly makes things hard when it turns out that the roads might be closed due to things you can't control and I don't blame the other woman for being worried about that.  But I agree that Chelsea's wedding shouldn't "ruin" the other one.

Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: lovestoread on July 21, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: hardia on July 21, 2010, 01:18:34 PM
I have a friend whose husband's sister got married in Toronto a few weekends ago ... right in the middle of the G20 summit.  Like the bride in this story, she had booked everything ages ago, long before the G20 meeting was announced, and a couple of weeks before the wedding found out that the church they had booked for the ceremony was within the security perimeter and they and their guests would not be allowed inside the perimeter at all.  They had to scramble to find another downtown Toronto church (at the height of wedding season!) and rearrange all their plans.  Unfortunately, sometimes it happens.  I do, however, totally get this bride's irritation and frustration, especially as she can't get any information or even confirmation that it's going to happen at all, so she can't really make alternate plans.  I think the whole "Chelsea Clinton ruined my wedding" thing is a bit much, though -- it implies a nastiness or unpleasantness on Chelsea's part that I don't think is appropriate.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on July 21, 2010, 01:39:20 PM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Hushabye on July 21, 2010, 02:13:02 PM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

I'd say that part of the problem is that the other couple won't know until shortly before their wedding whether or not streets will be closed or there will be a perimeter set up that will block access to their venue.  Apparently Clinton's venue is directly between their ceremony and reception venues and has to be passed to get there easily.  From the article, “If Chelsea’s wedding does happen, they’ll probably close all the roads and my guests will have to drive for an hour and a half to get from my ceremony to the reception, if they get there at all.”  The police may not be able to release information about what routes will be available until last-minute for security reasons.

I'm not excusing the whole "she ruined my wedding!!" thing, just pointing out that it really could be a logistical nightmare that no amount of planning could alleviate.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: camlan on July 21, 2010, 02:19:46 PM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

It looks like a fairly rural area. If one or more of the major roads gets closed, there may not be an easy alternative route. I've lived in rural areas where if they have to close down the single road connecting two towns, the detour can take an hour or more, instead of the 10 to 15 minutes it would take normally. If that's the case for this bride, a detour could affect the start time of the reception significantly. And guests could get lost driving a longer, unfamiliar route.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: FoxPaws on July 21, 2010, 02:30:07 PM
The press loves to stir this kind of thing up. They created reported a similar story about a bride in/near Crawford, Texas when the Bush's daughter got married there.

Chelsea Clinton really has no more control over this than Ms. Haddad-Friedman and it seems like she understands that. It sounds like this woman's vendors and venues are trying to be as accommodating as possible.  Hopefully, the police will cooperate with her as much as they are able on the day of the weddings. It's just a case of unfortunate timing.

President Bush, Sr. once made me an hour late for work.  8)
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Viscountess on July 21, 2010, 02:33:12 PM
While I understand the bride can be worried and frustrated about this but pointing a finger at Chelsea and accusing her of ruining her wedding isn't going to make the situation any better.  IMO, a bride who accuses another bride of unintentional ruining her wedding day comes off as childish and unpleasant to me.  I wish the best for both weddings to go as smoothly as possible.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: MadMadge43 on July 21, 2010, 02:43:37 PM
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While I understand the bride can be worried and frustrated about this but pointing a finger at Chelsea and accusing her of ruining her wedding isn't going to make the situation any better.  IMO, a bride who accuses another bride of unintentional ruining her wedding day comes off as childish and unpleasant to me.  I wish the best for both weddings to go as smoothly as possible.

I don't think the bride was pointing a finger. The reported sought her out, not the other way around. She's simply just stating the logistical nightmare. I didn't read anywhere where she actually blames Chelsea.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: HushHush on July 21, 2010, 02:58:49 PM
I actually thought the bride had a pretty typical and decent attitude about it.  She's frustrated because she can't make alternate plans, the press shows up and it seems the press said Chelsea was ruining her wedding, not the other bride.

Dealing with the logistics of a high profile wedding is not something the everyday person is prepared to handle.  She's unable to get any information from local authorities and alternate routes in a rural area could well take much much longer than originally planned.

Also, if there is a security perimeter that encompasses the other church or the reception venue, what then? The whole thing sounds like a nightmare for even an experienced planner much less a regular joe.  The final weeks before a wedding are incredibly stressful anyway and to add this on top of it?

She did say that all she needed to get married was her fiance, the minister and a witness.  She sounds pretty level headed if a bit overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Sharnita on July 21, 2010, 05:18:40 PM
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While I understand the bride can be worried and frustrated about this but pointing a finger at Chelsea and accusing her of ruining her wedding isn't going to make the situation any better.  IMO, a bride who accuses another bride of unintentional ruining her wedding day comes off as childish and unpleasant to me.  I wish the best for both weddings to go as smoothly as possible.

I don't think the bride was pointing a finger. The reported sought her out, not the other way around. She's simply just stating the logistical nightmare. I didn't read anywhere where she actually blames Chelsea.

She actually said that she knew Chelsea wasn't to blame.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: kckgirl on July 21, 2010, 05:48:30 PM
The federal government is where the blame lies. I'm pretty sure it's the U.S. Secret Service's fault that the young lady can't get any information about whether she needs to make alternate plans.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Viscountess on July 21, 2010, 08:02:15 PM
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While I understand the bride can be worried and frustrated about this but pointing a finger at Chelsea and accusing her of ruining her wedding isn't going to make the situation any better.  IMO, a bride who accuses another bride of unintentional ruining her wedding day comes off as childish and unpleasant to me.  I wish the best for both weddings to go as smoothly as possible.

I don't think the bride was pointing a finger. The reported sought her out, not the other way around. She's simply just stating the logistical nightmare. I didn't read anywhere where she actually blames Chelsea.

She actually said that she knew Chelsea wasn't to blame.

Oops.  I missed the part where she said she didn't blame Chelsea.   
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: kareng57 on July 21, 2010, 08:19:05 PM
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While I understand the bride can be worried and frustrated about this but pointing a finger at Chelsea and accusing her of ruining her wedding isn't going to make the situation any better.  IMO, a bride who accuses another bride of unintentional ruining her wedding day comes off as childish and unpleasant to me.  I wish the best for both weddings to go as smoothly as possible.

I don't think the bride was pointing a finger. The reported sought her out, not the other way around. She's simply just stating the logistical nightmare. I didn't read anywhere where she actually blames Chelsea.

She actually said that she knew Chelsea wasn't to blame.

Oops.  I missed the part where she said she didn't blame Chelsea.   


I think the headline was made up by the reporter and wasn't anything that Other Bride actually said.  I'd be pretty upset about that (the headline) if I was her.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Harlow on July 21, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
In my opinion, the other bride could have just said 'No comment". Even if the reporter did sought her out, she didn't need to talk to them. I honestly think after reading the story, she just wants a little bit of fame.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: cbcb on July 21, 2010, 09:36:30 PM
The bride lost any sympathy from me she might have had with these quotes:

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“I know she’s not doing it on purpose,” says the Brooklyn-based school teacher. “But Chelsea Clinton has taken what was supposed to be a special day for me turned it into hell.”

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“If Chelsea’s wedding does happen, they’ll probably close all the roads and my guests will have to drive for an hour and a half to get from my ceremony to the reception, if they get there at all.”

Sure, hell. Just take a deep breath, lady. Stop imagining scenarios and then panicking "just in case".

I also think it's in poor taste to comment to the press about how your mom is working two jobs and paying for your whole wedding, and then give this little tidbit
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So at this point, the thought of Chelsea with her 400 guests and coterie of wedding planners sets off the other bride-to-be. “We’re in a recession, we don’t have the highest paying jobs (her fiancé is a book-conservationist). I’m happy for Chelsea but she’s got planners and I’ve got my mom.”-

If you want it all "pro", then chip in a bit yourself.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: camlan on July 22, 2010, 05:20:28 AM
With an article like this one, where the reporter had to seek out the woman being interviewed, I can't tell how much is the bride just venting a little frustration at not knowing if Chelsea's wedding will be there or not and not being able to get any definite answer so that she can start to make alternate plans if she needs to (I know the uncertainty would be really, really bothering me). Or how much of this is a reporter looking for a story and grabbing at the "she ruined my wedding" angle and asking the bride to be leading questions and very carefully editing her replies to create a more interesting story--one that people will read and tell others about, so that more people come to read it.

Trying to read between the lines, I'm going with pretty sensible bride to be, reporter asking leading questions, and a good editor. The bride really doesn't come off as a huge bridezilla to me. She sounds more upset with the uncertainty than anything else.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: kckgirl on July 22, 2010, 05:28:56 AM
Camlan, I think you might be right. I went to a news conference once, stayed for the whole thing and listened carefully. When I read the article our local newspaper published the next day, I wondered if we (the reporter and I) had been in the same room. They had their premise before the reporter asked any questions, and obviously made the answers fit the premise.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: camlan on July 22, 2010, 05:39:48 AM
Camlan, I think you might be right. I went to a news conference once, stayed for the whole thing and listened carefully. When I read the article our local newspaper published the next day, I wondered if we (the reporter and I) had been in the same room. They had their premise before the reporter asked any questions, and obviously made the answers fit the premise.

It is surprising how it is possible to report the truth, but still manage to spin the overall impression you give the public. I lived for a while in a city that had a drug problem--big dealers from NYC used the city as an exchange point to get their wares further north in New England. It was a problem for law enforcement, but not for the average resident. And we did have a number of drug sales going on--mostly to people from outside the city who came there just to buy drugs. A major news program from a major network came out and did a feature on the city and the problem. They made it appear as if every other resident was shooting up on the town green, selling sex for drugs and robbing houses to get drug money. They made the city unrecognizable and omitted any mention of anything good about the place. No mention at all of the people from the wealthier, higher status cities who came in to buy drugs. Everyone was shocked when it aired. But it's all in how you spin the facts you have, which ones you highlight and which ones you conveniently bury.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: JonGirl on July 22, 2010, 07:22:15 AM
The press loves to stir this kind of thing up. They created reported a similar story about a bride in/near Crawford, Texas when the Bush's daughter got married there.

Chelsea Clinton really has no more control over this than Ms. Haddad-Friedman and it seems like she understands that. It sounds like this woman's vendors and venues are trying to be as accommodating as possible.  Hopefully, the police will cooperate with her as much as they are able on the day of the weddings. It's just a case of unfortunate timing.

President Bush, Sr. once made me an hour late for work.  8)

This of course means you have to tell me how he did that.   ;D
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Yankee-Belle on July 22, 2010, 08:10:10 AM
The bride lost any sympathy from me she might have had with these quotes:

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“I know she’s not doing it on purpose,” says the Brooklyn-based school teacher. “But Chelsea Clinton has taken what was supposed to be a special day for me turned it into hell.”

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“If Chelsea’s wedding does happen, they’ll probably close all the roads and my guests will have to drive for an hour and a half to get from my ceremony to the reception, if they get there at all.”

Sure, hell. Just take a deep breath, lady. Stop imagining scenarios and then panicking "just in case".

I also think it's in poor taste to comment to the press about how your mom is working two jobs and paying for your whole wedding, and then give this little tidbit
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So at this point, the thought of Chelsea with her 400 guests and coterie of wedding planners sets off the other bride-to-be. “We’re in a recession, we don’t have the highest paying jobs (her fiancé is a book-conservationist). I’m happy for Chelsea but she’s got planners and I’ve got my mom.”-

If you want it all "pro", then chip in a bit yourself.

I think this is what bothered me about the story - her quotes. But I do think the writer sensationalized the story too.

If Chelsea's wedding happens on the same day and same town, I hope this woman can get the logistics figured out before hand.

The press loves to stir this kind of thing up. They created reported a similar story about a bride in/near Crawford, Texas when the Bush's daughter got married there.

Chelsea Clinton really has no more control over this than Ms. Haddad-Friedman and it seems like she understands that. It sounds like this woman's vendors and venues are trying to be as accommodating as possible.  Hopefully, the police will cooperate with her as much as they are able on the day of the weddings. It's just a case of unfortunate timing.

President Bush, Sr. once made me an hour late for work.  8)

I had been detained by him too! It was when he would go visit his mother.  :)
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: FoxPaws on July 22, 2010, 08:37:30 AM
President Bush, Sr. once made me an hour late for work.  8)
This of course means you have to tell me how he did that.   ;D
He was in Houston for some event during his presidency and I was on the wrong side of the freeway when the motorcade passed. Poor planning on someone's part to move him during morning rush hour. ;)

Several years after they retired here, I walked in the Turkey Trot 5K. Of course all the streets on the race route were closed, so we were surprised when we were asked to move over to allow a vehicle to pass. Was it an ambulance? Was someone hurt? Nope. It was a big, black SUV with darkly tinted windows, one of which rolled down to reveal Barbara Bush waving and wishing us all a happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: MDefarge on July 22, 2010, 09:33:38 AM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

It looks like a fairly rural area. If one or more of the major roads gets closed, there may not be an easy alternative route. I've lived in rural areas where if they have to close down the single road connecting two towns, the detour can take an hour or more, instead of the 10 to 15 minutes it would take normally. If that's the case for this bride, a detour could affect the start time of the reception significantly. And guests could get lost driving a longer, unfamiliar route.

It is & I think that this is where the real worry is - if the Clinton wedding *does* take place there it will take a really long time for her guests to be able to get to the reception (I believe she said probably over an hour and a half when it should normally take 20 min?) if they can get there at all.

I agree with PP's who think that the reporter went into this interview with their mind made up about what they wanted to write.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: hyzenthlay on July 22, 2010, 12:34:22 PM
In my opinion, the other bride could have just said 'No comment". Even if the reporter did sought her out, she didn't need to talk to them. I honestly think after reading the story, she just wants a little bit of fame.

And that little but of fame may get her just enough attention to make sure that even if the roads are closed her guests will still be allowed to use them. Or at least enough notice to print new maps, and maybe the Clinton's can cover an extra hour or two for them at her venue.

I admit her whinging about 2 years to pay for the wedding was fingernails on chalkboard, but I don't blame her at all for using this to try and get notice to Clinton, so she can send the orders down to help her out.

60 seconds from a celeb or a politican is worth hours on the phone by anyone else.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Hushabye on July 22, 2010, 12:58:44 PM
In my opinion, the other bride could have just said 'No comment". Even if the reporter did sought her out, she didn't need to talk to them. I honestly think after reading the story, she just wants a little bit of fame.

And that little but of fame may get her just enough attention to make sure that even if the roads are closed her guests will still be allowed to use them. Or at least enough notice to print new maps, and maybe the Clinton's can cover an extra hour or two for them at her venue.

I admit her whinging about 2 years to pay for the wedding was fingernails on chalkboard, but I don't blame her at all for using this to try and get notice to Clinton, so she can send the orders down to help her out.

60 seconds from a celeb or a politican is worth hours on the phone by anyone else.

It's not terribly likely that there's anything that the Clintons can do about this, though.  The decisions regarding road closures and safety precautions are made by the Secret Service in conjunction with local police.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Squeaks on July 22, 2010, 01:06:25 PM
I think a lot of you are takeing this too seriously.  It is a fluff piece about a strange coincidence.

I think the bride has a pretty good attitude about it. .  .in many ways i respect her for trying to do what she can ahead of time rather than sticking her head in the sand.

And i can not fault her for looking for some attention as there could be some help to be had.  

It seems some compromise could be arranged somehow, i don't think it would be unreasonable for the cops to say "if you give us the make/model and plates of the cars are are at this street at this time we will let you through to x"  It would not be revealing anything, would not be that much work, or even likely a safety issue.  

It does bring up a valid point, while i can understand safety and the desire for secrecy, some consideration for the general populace could still be show. In situations like this they could at least say some roads that will be open, or an earliest/latest possible closure, or something.  Saying "the person is guaranteed not to be at this place at this time" really does not reveal anything or endanger them.

Had something kinda similar happy last year with some friends.  My home town is about half way between where they live and i live so we were meeting up there for fun. This is a small middle of no where nothing of interest dullsville down.  The interstate they were on is only about say 2-3 miles from the airport (which is in the middle of no where ends of town with not really many ways to get away from).  They were staying at a hotel on that short stretch of road between the airport and interstate.

The day before they were to come to town. . . . comes out Obama is flying in for who knows what reason.  At around the same time they would be arriving. . . while no one knew what roads would be open when, but it was pretty clear that that part of road was sure as heck going to be a bloody nightmare because logistically he pretty much *had* to drive on it.  

So i called them up as they are driving in to give them a heads up that they likely needed to be check in by x time and would likely be trapped.  They could not stop laughing at the sillyness of it. You just don't expect something like that to happen in a place like that.  But they did get to take pics and see Air Force One land. . .  it is a four gate airport. .  you can see it from their hotel.  








 
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Squeaks on July 22, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
In my opinion, the other bride could have just said 'No comment". Even if the reporter did sought her out, she didn't need to talk to them. I honestly think after reading the story, she just wants a little bit of fame.

And that little but of fame may get her just enough attention to make sure that even if the roads are closed her guests will still be allowed to use them. Or at least enough notice to print new maps, and maybe the Clinton's can cover an extra hour or two for them at her venue.

I admit her whinging about 2 years to pay for the wedding was fingernails on chalkboard, but I don't blame her at all for using this to try and get notice to Clinton, so she can send the orders down to help her out.

60 seconds from a celeb or a politican is worth hours on the phone by anyone else.

It's not terribly likely that there's anything that the Clintons can do about this, though.  The decisions regarding road closures and safety precautions are made by the Secret Service in conjunction with local police.

Even a card of congrats from them would still be neat for them to get and would sooth things. 

And I suspect if if the Clintons decide they want to tell this woman things like where and when it likely is their choice.

Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: artk2002 on July 22, 2010, 04:17:47 PM
Urgh... this one bugged me the first time I read it and it bugs me more every time since.  Yes, it may be some hyping by the reporter, but there are enough direct quotes that get to me.

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“She’s paying for the whole thing. She’s a single mom who has worked the last two years tirelessly as a construction and estate manager to pay for it."

I really dislike people who whine, especially publicly, about the consequences of financial choice that they've made.  As we well know, it's possible to have a wedding that doesn't take two years to save for -- and the HC are just as married at the end as they would be otherwise.  Good for her mom to work and save for something that is important to the family, but don't expect any sympathy over it.

Her expectations are, IMO, a bit out of whack:
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“But Chelsea Clinton has taken what was supposed to be a special day for me turned it into hell.”

Sorry, but "hell" doesn't describe a situation where people might be inconvenienced.  It just doesn't.  It appears that the worst outcome might be a longer delay between the ceremony and the reception.  That's not hell (and, despite the headline-writer's hyperbole, it's certainly not "ruined.")  It's only "hell" or "ruined" if her expectations included perfection.

Life lesson: It's a special day only for you, sweets; not for Ms. Clinton and not for the rest of us.  The only thing that can really turn this into "hell" or "ruin" it is your attitude.

I suspect that there's some sour grapes happening over Ms. Clinton's privilege:

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So at this point, the thought of Chelsea with her 400 guests and coterie of wedding planners sets off the other bride-to-be. “We’re in a recession, we don’t have the highest paying jobs (her fiancé is a book-conservationist). I’m happy for Chelsea but she’s got planners and I’ve got my mom.”

Life lesson: Unless you're one of about a dozen people in the world, there's always going to be someone who can afford more guests, or pay a wedding planner when you have to do it yourself.

I'm not always fond of "think of those worse off than you" arguments, but really.  There are posters right here on eHell who would be overjoyed to have a mother alive or sane enough to help plan a wedding.  The bride needs to quit caring about other people's money and pay attention to what she has.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: camlan on July 23, 2010, 09:45:20 AM
Art, I agree that some of the bride's quotes certainly don't sound very nice. But we don't know what questions the reporter asked, or how the bride's statements fit in with the context of the entire interview. Reporters can ask leading questions. The general public doesn't always know that they can refuse to answer a question, either.

Take a look at the current brew-ha-ha in the Agricultural Department in the US to see an example of media manipulation of the facts.

This bride may in fact be a bridezilla. But many of her comments seem completely reasonable to me, so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt in this case that she may have been led on by a reporter who had an agenda.

What struck me from the article was the impression that if the bride could just get some definite information, she'd be happy, because she could start making alternative plans. It wasn't so much that Chelsea Clinton was getting married nearby, as that the possibility of said marriage was creating the potential need for plan changes, but without any information, the bride can't do anything. The cost of the two weddings, the planner vs. non-planner, seemed to me to be afterthoughts. And those comments could have very easily been the result of a leading question.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Mopsy428 on July 23, 2010, 01:32:31 PM
I don't think the bride sounds like a bridezilla. The reporter sought her out, and honestly, if I (or someone I know) was paying money for my wedding, I would be a bit disappointed if there were delays, and I would be slightly upset if some of my loved ones couldn't attend the reception.

And yes, I think it's completely reasonable to stress if there is a possibility that you have to figure out alternative routes from the wedding site to the reception site at the last minute. Is it Chelsea Clinton's fault? Of course not, but the situation must be frustrating.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: cbcb on July 24, 2010, 12:15:18 AM
Urgh... this one bugged me the first time I read it and it bugs me more every time since.  Yes, it may be some hyping by the reporter, but there are enough direct quotes that get to me.

First,
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“She’s paying for the whole thing. She’s a single mom who has worked the last two years tirelessly as a construction and estate manager to pay for it."

I really dislike people who whine, especially publicly, about the consequences of financial choice that they've made.  As we well know, it's possible to have a wedding that doesn't take two years to save for -- and the HC are just as married at the end as they would be otherwise.  Good for her mom to work and save for something that is important to the family, but don't expect any sympathy over it.

Her expectations are, IMO, a bit out of whack:
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“But Chelsea Clinton has taken what was supposed to be a special day for me turned it into hell.”

Sorry, but "hell" doesn't describe a situation where people might be inconvenienced.  It just doesn't.  It appears that the worst outcome might be a longer delay between the ceremony and the reception.  That's not hell (and, despite the headline-writer's hyperbole, it's certainly not "ruined.")  It's only "hell" or "ruined" if her expectations included perfection.

Life lesson: It's a special day only for you, sweets; not for Ms. Clinton and not for the rest of us.  The only thing that can really turn this into "hell" or "ruin" it is your attitude.

I suspect that there's some sour grapes happening over Ms. Clinton's privilege:

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So at this point, the thought of Chelsea with her 400 guests and coterie of wedding planners sets off the other bride-to-be. “We’re in a recession, we don’t have the highest paying jobs (her fiancé is a book-conservationist). I’m happy for Chelsea but she’s got planners and I’ve got my mom.”

Life lesson: Unless you're one of about a dozen people in the world, there's always going to be someone who can afford more guests, or pay a wedding planner when you have to do it yourself.

I'm not always fond of "think of those worse off than you" arguments, but really.  There are posters right here on eHell who would be overjoyed to have a mother alive or sane enough to help plan a wedding.  The bride needs to quit caring about other people's money and pay attention to what she has.


Exactly my reaction. Sure, there could have been leading questions - but no one forced her to talk to the press, or to winge about not having a wedding as nice as Chelsea's.

When people say something, whether in response to a leading question, or because of drink, or whatever other reason makes them forget their manners, the reason they said it is not an excuse for the words. They still expressed those thoughts.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: LadyClaire on July 29, 2010, 09:39:08 AM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

It looks like a fairly rural area. If one or more of the major roads gets closed, there may not be an easy alternative route. I've lived in rural areas where if they have to close down the single road connecting two towns, the detour can take an hour or more, instead of the 10 to 15 minutes it would take normally. If that's the case for this bride, a detour could affect the start time of the reception significantly. And guests could get lost driving a longer, unfamiliar route.

Yep. My mom lives in a rural area. One night, they closed one end of the road my mother lives on due to some crazy neighbor building pipe bombs in his garage. I had borrowed her car and was trying to get it back to her. It took me an hour to get to her house because the detour wasn't really all that simple...I had to circle around the entire valley to get to the other end of her road.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Sara Crewe on July 29, 2010, 03:43:02 PM
When Prince Charles had to unexpectedly move his wedding to a public registry office, his security contacted every other HC with a wedding at that office, got a guest list, arranged to meet all guests outside the security perimeter and escorted them in and out.

Also, his wedding was fitted in earlier than the first scheduled wedding so that no one was inconvenienced.

There ended up being a number of very happy couples giving interviews about how great the police had been and how it made their weddings really special to have all the fuss around the venue.

I know the day is now past, but I would have thought something like this could be done.  Of course, maybe it was and it wasn't announced in advance for security reasons.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: cbcb on July 29, 2010, 03:55:44 PM
When Prince Charles had to unexpectedly move his wedding to a public registry office, his security contacted every other HC with a wedding at that office, got a guest list, arranged to meet all guests outside the security perimeter and escorted them in and out.

Also, his wedding was fitted in earlier than the first scheduled wedding so that no one was inconvenienced.

There ended up being a number of very happy couples giving interviews about how great the police had been and how it made their weddings really special to have all the fuss around the venue.

I know the day is now past, but I would have thought something like this could be done.  Of course, maybe it was and it wasn't announced in advance for security reasons.

Well, that's a slightly different situation in that it was the same venue in Prince Charles' case.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: MadMadge43 on July 29, 2010, 06:20:24 PM
My friend just posted a picture of him and Chelsea hanging out in Rome with her ex-boyfriend. He's really bummed she found the one and she's lost to him forever. He's g*y, but still had a crush. I thought it was cute.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: TootsNYC on July 29, 2010, 09:35:57 PM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

This is a relatively rural area. It's not like a city, w/ a big grid of roads. So yes, there may well be only one real way to get from one place to another--except going way out in a huge circle, perhaps.

And the cops in Rhinebeck may well have this on their radar screen--I sure hope so. They're normally very sensible and kind up there.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: TychaBrahe on July 29, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
If I were Chelsea Clinton, knowing how much I was spending for my wedding, if I knew I was doing this to another bride, I would hire four upscale motor coaches to do that drive to the church.  I'd have some gourmet snack boxes and mini-bottles of champagne packed up, one for each guest so that they could nosh and celebrate on the way to the reception.  I figure the cost of all that, including having the coaches waiting to take people back to the church where they left their cars hours later, would be under $10,000, or about 0.3% of the cost of my wedding.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: penelope2017 on July 30, 2010, 05:47:49 AM
While the quotes weren't the greatest, I have sympathy for the bride in the story. Yes, it was her choice to have a costlier wedding than going to the courthouse, but weddings (as several threads here can attest to) can be a stressful nightmare all on their own. That is without adding a huge wrench in the works of a high profile, security laden wedding right nearby.

These things sound like any bride might complain to her close friends or family about. A skilled reporter can make the bride feel like she is talking to a close friend and get quotes out of her that she might not even realize she is saying for print. Especially if they catch her in an emotional or stressful moment. It it is a trap that many celebrities and politicians more media savvy than she is have fallen into.

Her choice of the word "hell" is obviously hyperbole. Maybe no one else here does, but I have used the word hell to describe a circumstance that is far less than pitchforks, flames and hoofed creatures. A long day of work could be the "day from hell." A crowded supermarket could be "It was hell getting out of there." No, it is not truly hell. It's a figure of speech.

I can easily see me describing suddenly having my wedding plans thrown into disarray by a high profile security wedding, where timing has been scheduled, routes imagined, etc., as imagined hell.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Piratelvr1121 on July 31, 2010, 08:15:26 AM
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

This is a relatively rural area. It's not like a city, w/ a big grid of roads. So yes, there may well be only one real way to get from one place to another--except going way out in a huge circle, perhaps.

And the cops in Rhinebeck may well have this on their radar screen--I sure hope so. They're normally very sensible and kind up there.

*chuckle* Just proof that a friend of mine is right, I am way too used to suburb/city life!  LOL!
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Sharnita on July 31, 2010, 09:47:55 AM
I have to say, since i can't watch a news show without being hammered by speculation and discussion of Chelsea CLinton's wedding I am starting to fee a bit of sympathy for the bride in the news story.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: gramma dishes on July 31, 2010, 10:41:55 AM
I didn't get the impression that the "other" bride was whining at all!!!

I think she was simply expressing her understandable disappointment that her own special day, which she had been anticipating and planning for for a long long time, had been suddenly and totally unexpectedly usurped for a much larger and higher profile event which was going to inconvenience her entire wedding party and the guests.
 
I don't blame her for being a little upset and frankly, I think she is handling with as much maturity and etiquette savvy as anyone could expect under those circumstances.

She wasn't complaining about the two quite different financial issues either.  She was merely saying that her family (specifically her Mom) had had to work very hard to earn and save the money for this one day in her life and that her wedding is JUST AS IMPORTANT to her family as the far more extravagant Clinton wedding is to Chelsea's!
  
And she's right.   She thought she would not be "sharing" this day/location with anyone else and she truly has been pushed to the rear here!  The circumstances DO change things for her.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: kckgirl on August 01, 2010, 12:44:35 PM
So, now that the day is over, does anybody know what happened with the other bride and how the Clintons' plans might have made hers difficult? I'm wondering if anybody made any accommodations for her guests.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: evely28 on August 01, 2010, 01:10:57 PM
I read that the wedding planner gave neighbors a bottle of wine and a nice note, apologizing for any inconvenience and a phone number to call if they had any problems.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: MadMadge43 on August 01, 2010, 01:55:36 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/01/2010-08-01_other_wedding_goes_off_without_a_hitch.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/01/2010-08-01_other_wedding_goes_off_without_a_hitch.html)


It says her wedding went off without any problems. One guest was a little rude about Chelsea's wedding, but  bride and groom didn't give any interviews.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: sammycat on August 01, 2010, 05:30:33 PM
I didn't get the impression that the "other" bride was whining at all!!!

I think she was simply expressing her understandable disappointment that her own special day, which she had been anticipating and planning for for a long long time, had been suddenly and totally unexpectedly usurped for a much larger and higher profile event which was going to inconvenience her entire wedding party and the guests.
 
I don't blame her for being a little upset and frankly, I think she is handling with as much maturity and etiquette savvy as anyone could expect under those circumstances.

She wasn't complaining about the two quite different financial issues either.  She was merely saying that her family (specifically her Mom) had had to work very hard to earn and save the money for this one day in her life and that her wedding is JUST AS IMPORTANT to her family as the far more extravagant Clinton wedding is to Chelsea's!
  
And she's right.   She thought she would not be "sharing" this day/location with anyone else and she truly has been pushed to the rear here!  The circumstances DO change things for her.

I agree.

Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Wavicle on August 01, 2010, 05:37:28 PM
That guests comment in that link is just silly. They say that the Clintons should have gone elsewhere because that area was personally significant to them so the Clintons should have gone to Martha's Vineyard. And there aren't people that have personal significance to the Vineyard that couldn't have been disrupted due to the Clinton wedding? I am guessing that it would have caused even more disruption considering that you need to ferry people in there and there were probably multiple weddings they would have messed up as opposed to one. For all we know they chose this one because it actually was less disruptive than other locations.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: cbcb on August 01, 2010, 06:57:23 PM
Seems like the bride in question just got herself all stressed about nothing, then. Glad her day wasn't "hell" after all.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: referee on August 02, 2010, 02:14:12 PM
I didn't get the impression that the "other" bride was whining at all!!!

I think she was simply expressing her understandable disappointment that her own special day, which she had been anticipating and planning for for a long long time, had been suddenly and totally unexpectedly usurped for a much larger and higher profile event which was going to inconvenience her entire wedding party and the guests.
 
I don't blame her for being a little upset and frankly, I think she is handling with as much maturity and etiquette savvy as anyone could expect under those circumstances.

She wasn't complaining about the two quite different financial issues either.  She was merely saying that her family (specifically her Mom) had had to work very hard to earn and save the money for this one day in her life and that her wedding is JUST AS IMPORTANT to her family as the far more extravagant Clinton wedding is to Chelsea's!
  
And she's right.   She thought she would not be "sharing" this day/location with anyone else and she truly has been pushed to the rear here!  The circumstances DO change things for her.

I agree.

I do, too.

Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Kaymyth on August 02, 2010, 04:56:40 PM
Seems like the bride in question just got herself all stressed about nothing, then. Glad her day wasn't "hell" after all.

It's also quite possible that the publicity she got from the interview gave the folks involved in the Clinton wedding a heads-up to make sure they didn't block off important roads.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure unless the Secret Service decides to spill the beans.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Yankee-Belle on August 03, 2010, 07:29:35 PM
I am glad the other bride's wedding went off without a hitch.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: kennedar on August 03, 2010, 10:46:09 PM
The fact that the bride and groom refused to talk to the reporter after their wedding makes me think that the first interview was worded badly and there were leading questions. She obviously had no problem talking to the reporters before, and came out looking bad so I am not surprised that she did not say anything this time. If she had been ok with how the first interview appeared, she would have said something afterwards.

FTR I often use the term "hell" to mean bad. When our honeymoon was cancelled 2 weeks before the wedding because of swine flu, I referred to the resulting confusion "hell", and that was just out honeymoon. Heck, more than once I referred to the week before our wedding as "hell" because it was so busy and stressful! And this was without famous people getting married in the area.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Shea on August 12, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
I have a feeling this may have been a case of the press doing their darndest to get a sensational story. Things may have been embellished, quotes taken out of context.

Some of her quotes did make me ::)  though. Chelsea's wedding has turned your day into "hell"? You're marrying a man you presumably love in a ceremony you've carefully and lovingly planned, and some inconvenience has turned that day into hell on earth? I know she's just exaggerating for effect, but that really rubbed me the wrong way. Took away some of my sympathy for what I'm sure must have been a frustrating situation.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: camlan on August 12, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
It seemed to me that the other bride's real complaint was that she could not get any definite information, not that Chelsea Clinton's wedding was nearby on the same day.

When that article was written, her town was only a "likely" site for the Clinton wedding. So no one knew, or no one could tell the other bride if indeed the Clinton wedding was going to be there, or what roads would be closed and when. So she had no way to make alternative plans for her guests.

If you've been planning something for two years and suddenly there is the potential for a huge problem right smack in the middle of your plans, but no one can confirm or deny that the problem will exist, then I can't blame someone for being a bit upset.

And the reporter might have asked a leading question that caused her to use the word "hell." I've read that article three times now, and the more I read it, the more I feel that the writer was trying to create a sensational story out of very thin cloth indeed.
Title: Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
Post by: Lisbeth on August 12, 2010, 09:18:02 PM
It seemed to me that the other bride's real complaint was that she could not get any definite information, not that Chelsea Clinton's wedding was nearby on the same day.

When that article was written, her town was only a "likely" site for the Clinton wedding. So no one knew, or no one could tell the other bride if indeed the Clinton wedding was going to be there, or what roads would be closed and when. So she had no way to make alternative plans for her guests.

If you've been planning something for two years and suddenly there is the potential for a huge problem right smack in the middle of your plans, but no one can confirm or deny that the problem will exist, then I can't blame someone for being a bit upset.

And the reporter might have asked a leading question that caused her to use the word "hell." I've read that article three times now, and the more I read it, the more I feel that the writer was trying to create a sensational story out of very thin cloth indeed.

Pod.  I'd wondered how this would turn out too.  It did seem to me that the reporter was pushing the envelope by using words like "ruin" and "hell" which overstated the irritation the bride felt, which was reasonable IMO.