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General Etiquette => Etiquette of the Rich and Famous => Topic started by: jimithing on May 01, 2011, 12:28:03 PM

Title: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: jimithing on May 01, 2011, 12:28:03 PM
Samantha Cameron, the British Prime Minister's wife, did not wear a hat to the royal wedding, instead, opting for a jewelled clasp/barrette in her hair.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1381963/Royal-wedding-ceremony-Samantha-Cameron-VIP-wear-hat.html

I've read several articles, and seen a few things on TV, where many British fashion critics have called her rude, lazy, and that it's a "slap in the face" to the HC to not wear a headpiece.

From the article I posted: "Etiquette guide Debretts reads: 'Hats are traditional, but by no means compulsory, at British weddings, and a matter of personal choice for christenings or funerals."

From Brides magazine: "The accepted rule is that you don't take them off until the Mother of the Bride removes hers. As with most etiquette rules this is based on old tradition; hats were typically removed as the men took off their jackets and retired for cigarettes."

I really don't know much about this tradition or "requirement." Is this a big deal?
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: veryfluffy on May 01, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
For a society wedding, not wearing a hat (or fascinator)is sort of...under-dressed. I wouldn't say it's exactly rude, but it is "doing one's own thing", sort of like a man not wearing a tie to a formal event, even if he is wearing a dinner jacket.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Bob Ducca on May 01, 2011, 01:49:39 PM
My understanding is that the invitations specified that hats were required for the venue (Westminster Abbey).  If that is the case, then definitely rude.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: white.a on May 01, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
the invitations said "Uniform, Morning Coat Or Lounge Suit" so imho she did alright - wearing the female equivalent of "lounge suit" (even though her husband wore a morning coat). The question is - shouldn't a husband and wife make sure they match in formality when going somewhere?
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Bob Ducca on May 01, 2011, 02:30:20 PM
the invitations said "Uniform, Morning Coat Or Lounge Suit" so imho she did alright - wearing the female equivalent of "lounge suit" (even though her husband wore a morning coat). The question is - shouldn't a husband and wife make sure they match in formality when going somewhere?

You're right, thanks for clearing that up.  (E! news said that hats were required by the invitation, but I wouldn't rely on them for etiquette advice!)

I don't think it was technically rude, but as she seems to be literally the only woman there who didn't wear a hat of some kind (at least the only one of note), it seems she missed the mark somehow.  Her husband was quite formal.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: jimithing on May 01, 2011, 02:53:27 PM

I don't think it was technically rude, but as she seems to be literally the only woman there who didn't wear a hat of some kind (at least the only one of note), it seems she missed the mark somehow.  Her husband was quite formal.

I agree. And especially since she's in a very high profile position. Many eyes would be on her. It seems like a big misstep.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: MummySweet on May 01, 2011, 03:13:51 PM
I actually think that this was a calculated decision.  The government is currently making huge, and controversial, cuts in spending.  I think she may have made her choice to be more strongly identified with the average citizen.  (Although hats are still worn to many weddings, fascinators and the hatless look are now very acceptable at the average wedding.)   Her shoes also came from a high street shop, rather than a name designer.   
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Bob Ducca on May 01, 2011, 03:21:54 PM
I'm sure it was "calculated," in the sense that she knew she was expected to wear a hat and didn't.  I don't know anything about the specific politics, but it seems even ruder to think that she accepted an invitation to a royal wedding and then flouted expectations in order to advance a personal political agenda than if she just decided, "I don't look well in hats, so I won't wear one."  If she wanted to identify herself with the average citizen, she should have declined the invitation and watched the wedding on television like the other average citizens.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: kareng57 on May 01, 2011, 03:26:46 PM
She did wear some sort of small hair clip I believe - maybe to her it looked like enough of a decoration, originally?  Just trying to give the benefit of the doubt........
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Sharnita on May 01, 2011, 03:46:35 PM
honestly I can't fathom the logic that says it is more respectful and/or formal to wear a monstrosity like Princess Beatrice's headgear then the pretty barrette that Samantha wore.  Quite frankly it seems as if some of those hats are some sort of enormous joke being played on the people wearing them and the fashion commentators taking them serious.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Erich L-ster on May 01, 2011, 04:00:55 PM
i don't know where the link is now but i think it was @ the telegraph, they had pics of the best dressed and worst dressed. i think not wearing a hat is less disrespectful than having your breasts hanging out and your dress up to your thighs as one woman did. there were a few breasts out tight tight dresses that were a lot more inappropriate to the occasion than the lack of a hat. prince harry's girlfriend was inappropriately dressed.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: KenveeB on May 01, 2011, 10:37:35 PM
I think that there are definitely worse faux pas, but it definitely was one.  She's the prime minister's wife, this was the wedding of the future head of state.  Not the time for her to be making any "statements".  If she wanted to do that, she should've stayed home.  She should've just worn a simple hat and been done with it.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Rohanna on May 01, 2011, 10:51:34 PM
I think if she'd just been a WAG/3rd cousin kind of guest it might have made a brief blip on the fashion radar, but from the Prime minister's wife it does make one wonder why she did things the difficult way and made herself stand out a little. To North American's the hats may be silly, but they are pretty standard for British weddings, and she does look a little underdressed for the crowd. It doesn't make the other bad outfits any better because hers was lacking, or hers any better because their's were "worse"- they can both be lacking it style.

Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: sparksals on May 02, 2011, 01:01:15 AM
It made her look under dressed for the occasion and I wondered what message she was trying to send.  I thought of all people not to wear a hat, the PM's wife?  Completely inappropriate.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Nurvingiel on May 02, 2011, 01:43:15 AM
I think if she'd just been a WAG/3rd cousin kind of guest it might have made a brief blip on the fashion radar, but from the Prime minister's wife it does make one wonder why she did things the difficult way and made herself stand out a little. To North American's the hats may be silly, but they are pretty standard for British weddings, and she does look a little underdressed for the crowd. It doesn't make the other bad outfits any better because hers was lacking, or hers any better because their's were "worse"- they can both be lacking it style.
I totally respect the hat tradition (I've always liked the Queen's hats, and the Queen Mum had quite a flair for fashion) but I guess I don't see why it's a big deal not to participate, especially when Debretts said hats aren't required.

Maybe it's traditional to wear a hat to a formal event like this, and bucking the tradition maybe sent the wrong message?

But surely, surely not wearing a hat is better than the thing (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1QpwTkf1BNE/Tbvj4yEJI8I/AAAAAAAAAG0/9pn4K0cXlWo/s320/beatrice+hat.jpg) that was percariously balanced on Princess Beatrice's head. That thing was brutal (too bad, because the rest of her outfit was elegant and she is quite pretty).
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: veryfluffy on May 02, 2011, 06:27:25 AM
I think if she'd just been a WAG/3rd cousin kind of guest it might have made a brief blip on the fashion radar, but from the Prime minister's wife it does make one wonder why she did things the difficult way and made herself stand out a little. To North American's the hats may be silly, but they are pretty standard for British weddings, and she does look a little underdressed for the crowd. It doesn't make the other bad outfits any better because hers was lacking, or hers any better because their's were "worse"- they can both be lacking it style.
I totally respect the hat tradition (I've always liked the Queen's hats, and the Queen Mum had quite a flair for fashion) but I guess I don't see why it's a big deal not to participate, especially when Debretts said hats aren't required.

Maybe it's traditional to wear a hat to a formal event like this, and bucking the tradition maybe sent the wrong message?

But surely, surely not wearing a hat is better than the thing (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1QpwTkf1BNE/Tbvj4yEJI8I/AAAAAAAAAG0/9pn4K0cXlWo/s320/beatrice+hat.jpg) that was percariously balanced on Princess Beatrice's head. That thing was brutal (too bad, because the rest of her outfit was elegant and she is quite pretty).

But it wasn't a choice between no hat and a thing like that. What would have been "better" was to get some kind of simple, attractive hat or headgear -- even a hairband with some decoration. Not wearing a hat says, "look at me! I'm special" just as much as wearing something bonkers does.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Sharnita on May 02, 2011, 06:37:41 AM
I think if she'd just been a WAG/3rd cousin kind of guest it might have made a brief blip on the fashion radar, but from the Prime minister's wife it does make one wonder why she did things the difficult way and made herself stand out a little. To North American's the hats may be silly, but they are pretty standard for British weddings, and she does look a little underdressed for the crowd. It doesn't make the other bad outfits any better because hers was lacking, or hers any better because their's were "worse"- they can both be lacking it style.
I totally respect the hat tradition (I've always liked the Queen's hats, and the Queen Mum had quite a flair for fashion) but I guess I don't see why it's a big deal not to participate, especially when Debretts said hats aren't required.

Maybe it's traditional to wear a hat to a formal event like this, and bucking the tradition maybe sent the wrong message?

But surely, surely not wearing a hat is better than the thing (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1QpwTkf1BNE/Tbvj4yEJI8I/AAAAAAAAAG0/9pn4K0cXlWo/s320/beatrice+hat.jpg) that was percariously balanced on Princess Beatrice's head. That thing was brutal (too bad, because the rest of her outfit was elegant and she is quite pretty).

But it wasn't a choice between no hat and a thing like that. What would have been "better" was to get some kind of simple, attractive hat or headgear -- even a hairband with some decoration. Not wearing a hat says, "look at me! I'm special" just as much as wearing something bonkers does.

SHe did wear a decorative hair barrette, though.  How is that somehow beneath a hairband or even a fascinator in formality?  They wouldn't cover her head either so it can't be that.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Sara Crewe on May 02, 2011, 06:49:16 AM


SHe did wear a decorative hair barrette, though.  How is that somehow beneath a hairband or even a fascinator in formality?  They wouldn't cover her head either so it can't be that.

My understanding is that while it wasn't on the invitation, there was further guidance given as to what was meant by the dress code and ladies were supposed to wear a hat or 'substantial' fascinator.

A hairband or barrette is not the equivalent to a hat or fascinator (I have no idea why - it's an arbitrary rule, but it is a rule.  It might be because a hat or fascinator stands out from the head?).

Other PPs have mentioned Chelsea and the Yorks.  The thing is, while their clothes may have been ugly and not suited them, they were suitable for the event.  I think Samantha Cameron actually looked much better than they did.  The problem is that they were dressed appropriately and she wasn't.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Bright on May 02, 2011, 07:06:46 AM
It seems a lot of fuss over nothing to me.

The good old Daily Fail and the other newspapers were criticising her last year as well because she didn't wear a hat to the opening of parliament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1281315/Samantha-Cameron-bucks-tradition-casual-look-Queens-speech.html

There were articles before the wedding speculating whether she would choose to wear a hat and clearly she did not. It was undoubtedly a conscious choice, especially after the comments last time.
 
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: KenveeB on May 02, 2011, 07:13:50 AM
I totally respect the hat tradition (I've always liked the Queen's hats, and the Queen Mum had quite a flair for fashion) but I guess I don't see why it's a big deal not to participate, especially when Debretts said hats aren't required.

Maybe it's traditional to wear a hat to a formal event like this, and bucking the tradition maybe sent the wrong message?

It's kind of like going to a formal BWW in jeans.  Yes, you're decent and even appropriate for some circumstances, but you're totally inappropriate for that particular venue.  And it conveys a very definite message about you, that you either have no idea how to dress appropriately or you're trying to stand out (in a bad way).
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: MissRose on May 02, 2011, 12:43:54 PM
If the invite said some kind of headcovering like a hat or fascinator was required for women,  and she didn't wear one, then she is being rude.

Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Nurvingiel on May 02, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
I totally respect the hat tradition (I've always liked the Queen's hats, and the Queen Mum had quite a flair for fashion) but I guess I don't see why it's a big deal not to participate, especially when Debretts said hats aren't required.

Maybe it's traditional to wear a hat to a formal event like this, and bucking the tradition maybe sent the wrong message?

It's kind of like going to a formal BWW in jeans.  Yes, you're decent and even appropriate for some circumstances, but you're totally inappropriate for that particular venue.  And it conveys a very definite message about you, that you either have no idea how to dress appropriately or you're trying to stand out (in a bad way).
Oh I get it. It's really too bad she did this then.

And her dress, which I think was lovely, would have looked really good with a matching hat. I thought the Queen's outfit was terrific. Normally she wears fairly plain (not in a bad way though) outfits, but that yellow was gorgeous.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: momof2bratz on May 03, 2011, 01:18:14 PM
What stood out for me was that Samantha Cameron lokked under-dressed compared to the rest of the guests. While her burberry dress was pretty, it was not on the same level of formality as most of the other guests, and the lack of a hat made it look even more casual. I understand her wanting to avoid looking like she was splashing the cash, but Joss Stone wore a beautiful dress/jacket/shoes combo that cost less than a third of Sam Cam's dress, and looked infinitely more formal.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Sara Crewe on May 03, 2011, 04:18:37 PM

From the article I posted: "Etiquette guide Debretts reads: 'Hats are traditional, but by no means compulsory, at British weddings, and a matter of personal choice for christenings or funerals."



In addition to previous comments, most British weddings are held at small churches, not large abbeys/cathedrals.  The level of formality goes up accordingly.

Edited to add:  I should have said that Christian weddings conducted by the Church of England are mostly held in small churches.  Obviously, we also have registry office/alternative venue weddings and non-CofE religious weddings.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: LaciGirl007 on May 14, 2011, 04:20:05 PM
honestly I can't fathom the logic that says it is more respectful and/or formal to wear a monstrosity like Princess Beatrice's headgear then the pretty barrette that Samantha wore.  Quite frankly it seems as if some of those hats are some sort of enormous joke being played on the people wearing them and the fashion commentators taking them serious.
Even if it wasn't your particular cup of tea, there was nothing in the slightest disrespectful or informal about the fascinator that Princess Beatrice wore.  It was created for her by hat designer Philip Treacy.  I read that there were at least three dozen women wearing Philip Treacy hats at the Royal Wedding, including the step-mother of the groom (Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall), the mother of the bride (Carole Middleton), Princess Michael of Kent, Queen Anna-Marie of Greece, Princess Mathilde of Belgium, and Victoria Beckham.

The bride herself has worn Philip Treacy hats many times.  Camilla wore a Philip Treacy hat at her own wedding to Prince Charles.  

How on earth can wearing bespoke headgear by the same designer who made the hats of the mother of the bride and the step-mother of the groom be considered disrespectful?

Here's a blog post about Philip Treacy in general: http://www.culch.ie/2009/06/03/philip-treacy-the-culchie-interview/

and about his hats at the Royal Wedding in particular:  http://1001zones.com/2011/05/philip-treacy-hat-exhibition-in-royal-wedding/

Perhaps it's not the most polite thing -- on an etiquette forum particularly! -- to make a rude comment about a someone's headgear, just because its style is not to your liking.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Larrabee on May 14, 2011, 04:27:30 PM
As usual, add me to the list of people sticking up for Beatrice's Philip Treacy Hat.  Nothing wrong with it, completely appropriate just not to everyone's taste.

I think if Samantha Cameron wanted to make a statement that she was 'of the people' (not that anyone would buy that  ::)) then she could have bought a hat from Debenhams or Monsoon or similar.

I'm going to guess that maybe she just looks awful in hats.  Some people just do, my poor mum can't wear a hat at all, for some reason she just looks silly as soon as puts one on her head, whatever the style!  However she started wearing fascinators to weddings as soon as they appeared, I think Sam should have worn a small fascinator at the very least.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: LaciGirl007 on May 14, 2011, 04:31:12 PM
As usual, add me to the list of people sticking up for Beatrice's Philip Treacy Hat.  Nothing wrong with it, completely appropriate just not to everyone's taste.

I think if Samantha Cameron wanted to make a statement that she was 'of the people' (not that anyone would buy that  ::)) then she could have bought a hat from Debenhams or Monsoon or similar.

I'm going to guess that maybe she just looks awful in hats.  Some people just do, my poor mum can't wear a hat at all, for some reason she just looks silly as soon as puts one on her head, whatever the style!  However she started wearing fascinators to weddings as soon as they appeared, I think Sam should have worn a small fascinator at the very least.
Hurrah!  Y'know, I did a complete 180 about that fascinator!  Hated, hated, hated it at first, then the more I looked at it -- and the more I learned about Philip Treacy -- the more I liked it, and now I really do love it.  I especially like the head-on photo of it on a mannequin, which can be seen (for only seven more days!) on Princess Beatrice's eBay listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/Princess-Beatrice-Royal-Wedding-Hat-Philip-Treacy-/230620500557?pt=Women_s_Accessories_UK&hash=item35b20d924d#ht_2715wt_1000

I also have to hand it to Princess Beatrice for the brilliant idea to turn the notoriety of the hat into money for charity.  It's not like she can really wear it to another wedding again, right?

I *love* that she included on her eBay listing a link to the Facebook page, "Princess Beatrice's ridiculous Royal Wedding hat."  She has really made what could have been a horrible experience for her into something very lovely.  (Maybe her mother could take a lesson from her?)
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: sparksals on May 14, 2011, 08:36:33 PM
Laci - he may be a respected designer but he sure missed the mark on Bea's hat.  It may have suited someone else, but it did nothing for her. 
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: sparksals on May 14, 2011, 08:38:25 PM
PS - glad she's doing something positive with the fanfare and publicity.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: HoneyBee42 on May 14, 2011, 08:45:06 PM
I think if Samantha Cameron wanted to make a statement that she was 'of the people' (not that anyone would buy that  ::)) then she could have bought a hat from Debenhams or Monsoon or similar.

I'm going to guess that maybe she just looks awful in hats.  Some people just do, my poor mum can't wear a hat at all, for some reason she just looks silly as soon as puts one on her head, whatever the style!  However she started wearing fascinators to weddings as soon as they appeared, I think Sam should have worn a small fascinator at the very least.

You know, I think you may have pegged what's seemed off to me about the lack of hat--it seems to be a non-verbal political statement, and it has to be universally considered rude to make someone else's wedding the stage for your (general-you) political statement.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: LaciGirl007 on May 15, 2011, 09:50:31 AM
Laci - he may be a respected designer but he sure missed the mark on Bea's hat.  It may have suited someone else, but it did nothing for her. 
Aesthetics are always a matter of opinion.  I think she looked like a lovely, self-confident young woman with a sense of humor who enjoyed rocking a rather Carrie Bradshaw sense of style on that day.  The fact that Princess Bea and her hat have also (so far) raised about approximately US$16,532.16 for charity makes her appear even more attractive, IHMO.  (We need a smiley with a HAT!)
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Nurvingiel on May 15, 2011, 12:26:18 PM
I thought the fascinator was ugly, but Princess Beatrice managed to look lovely despite it. She's quite pretty and her outfit was very nice. But the fascinator just looked really silly to me.

Something awesome: she's auctioning the fascinator for charity (http://www.wedding-news.co.uk/princess-beatrices-royal-wedding-hat-attracts-opening-bid-of-5k-on-ebay-170800/).

I really respect that not only did she (at least publicly) ignore the fascinator's mocking, she's now using its infamy to raise money for charity. That is just awesome. Princess Beatrice seriously rocks.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: sparksals on May 15, 2011, 03:27:14 PM
Carrie Bradshaw would have rocked it!  I think it's great she has turned it to a positive. Doesn't change my opinion that is was not suited to her.   
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: LovesWater on May 15, 2011, 05:36:48 PM
It seems a lot of fuss over nothing to me.

The good old Daily Fail and the other newspapers were criticising her last year as well because she didn't wear a hat to the opening of parliament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1281315/Samantha-Cameron-bucks-tradition-casual-look-Queens-speech.html

There were articles before the wedding speculating whether she would choose to wear a hat and clearly she did not. It was undoubtedly a conscious choice, especially after the comments last time.
 

OK, I totally do not get this. (I am an American.) In the linked article, Ms. Cameron is shown standing next to two other women, neither of whom was wearing a hat!  Why was she lambasted in the press but not they?
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Larrabee on May 15, 2011, 05:42:34 PM
It seems a lot of fuss over nothing to me.

The good old Daily Fail and the other newspapers were criticising her last year as well because she didn't wear a hat to the opening of parliament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1281315/Samantha-Cameron-bucks-tradition-casual-look-Queens-speech.html

There were articles before the wedding speculating whether she would choose to wear a hat and clearly she did not. It was undoubtedly a conscious choice, especially after the comments last time.
 

OK, I totally do not get this. (I am an American.) In the linked article, Ms. Cameron is shown standing next to two other women, neither of whom was wearing a hat!  Why was she lambasted in the press but not they?

Probably just because she's the Prime Minister's wife and they aren't! 
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Ferrets on May 15, 2011, 05:46:13 PM
The good old Daily Fail and the other newspapers were criticising her last year as well because she didn't wear a hat to the opening of parliament.

OK, I totally do not get this. (I am an American.) In the linked article, Ms. Cameron is shown standing next to two other women, neither of whom was wearing a hat!  Why was she lambasted in the press but not they?

She's the wife of the PM, rather than an MP/MP's spouse: higher standard of formality expected.

[Ah, outposted! ;)]
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: kglory on May 15, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
It seems a lot of fuss over nothing to me.

The good old Daily Fail and the other newspapers were criticising her last year as well because she didn't wear a hat to the opening of parliament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1281315/Samantha-Cameron-bucks-tradition-casual-look-Queens-speech.html

There were articles before the wedding speculating whether she would choose to wear a hat and clearly she did not. It was undoubtedly a conscious choice, especially after the comments last time.
 


OK, I totally do not get this. (I am an American.) In the linked article, Ms. Cameron is shown standing next to two other women, neither of whom was wearing a hat!  Why was she lambasted in the press but not they?

Also, the photo of her next to the 2 women was not taken at the royal wedding.  It was the opening of Parliament.

I'm American too, and watched the royal wedding, and literally every woman I saw was wearing a hat, fascinator, or headpiece.  It looks like Parliament is a much less formal affair than the royal wedding (understandably so!), so it's a much bigger "offense" that she was the only person to go hatless to the royal wedding.

Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Bright on May 15, 2011, 11:51:57 PM
It seems a lot of fuss over nothing to me.

The good old Daily Fail and the other newspapers were criticising her last year as well because she didn't wear a hat to the opening of parliament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1281315/Samantha-Cameron-bucks-tradition-casual-look-Queens-speech.html

There were articles before the wedding speculating whether she would choose to wear a hat and clearly she did not. It was undoubtedly a conscious choice, especially after the comments last time.
 


OK, I totally do not get this. (I am an American.) In the linked article, Ms. Cameron is shown standing next to two other women, neither of whom was wearing a hat!  Why was she lambasted in the press but not they?

Also, the photo of her next to the 2 women was not taken at the royal wedding.  It was the opening of Parliament.

I'm American too, and watched the royal wedding, and literally every woman I saw was wearing a hat, fascinator, or headpiece.  It looks like Parliament is a much less formal affair than the royal wedding (understandably so!), so it's a much bigger "offense" that she was the only person to go hatless to the royal wedding.


I linked to the article just to show it wasn't the first time she chose not to wear a hat in a situation where wearing a hat was expected of her. It's something of a tradition for the Prime Minister's wife to wear a hat to the opening of parliament. (The other women, not being wives to Prime Ministers aren't held to the same dress-code.) When she chose not to the papers splashed the story all over their front pages. 

Since she's already been through the whole hat situation before you'd have expected her to be aware of it for the Royal Wedding.

Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: kglory on May 16, 2011, 02:42:42 PM
It seems a lot of fuss over nothing to me.

The good old Daily Fail and the other newspapers were criticising her last year as well because she didn't wear a hat to the opening of parliament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1281315/Samantha-Cameron-bucks-tradition-casual-look-Queens-speech.html

There were articles before the wedding speculating whether she would choose to wear a hat and clearly she did not. It was undoubtedly a conscious choice, especially after the comments last time.
 


OK, I totally do not get this. (I am an American.) In the linked article, Ms. Cameron is shown standing next to two other women, neither of whom was wearing a hat!  Why was she lambasted in the press but not they?

Also, the photo of her next to the 2 women was not taken at the royal wedding.  It was the opening of Parliament.

I'm American too, and watched the royal wedding, and literally every woman I saw was wearing a hat, fascinator, or headpiece.  It looks like Parliament is a much less formal affair than the royal wedding (understandably so!), so it's a much bigger "offense" that she was the only person to go hatless to the royal wedding.


I linked to the article just to show it wasn't the first time she chose not to wear a hat in a situation where wearing a hat was expected of her. It's something of a tradition for the Prime Minister's wife to wear a hat to the opening of parliament. (The other women, not being wives to Prime Ministers aren't held to the same dress-code.) When she chose not to the papers splashed the story all over their front pages. 

Since she's already been through the whole hat situation before you'd have expected her to be aware of it for the Royal Wedding.


Interesting.  Given that all this happened a year ago, that makes me think even more that she was making a deliberate statement at the royal wedding, rather than an accident.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Nurvingiel on May 16, 2011, 08:32:11 PM
Someone's wedding is just not a good place for a fashion statement.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Sharnita on May 16, 2011, 09:05:56 PM
Someone's wedding is just not a good place for a fashion statement.

Do you mean political statement?  Because a whole lot of those hats and fascinators were fashion statements.  (I'm not sure a wedding is the place for either, personally, just trying to clarify what you meant)
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Ferrets on May 17, 2011, 03:32:28 AM
Someone's wedding is just not a good place for a fashion statement.

Do you mean political statement?  Because a whole lot of those hats and fascinators were fashion statements.  (I'm not sure a wedding is the place for either, personally, just trying to clarify what you meant)

I think I'd disagree that weddings aren't the place for fashion statements. British weddings of a certain style tend to be all about the Big Hats. ;D
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Sharnita on May 17, 2011, 05:30:18 AM
Someone's wedding is just not a good place for a fashion statement.

Do you mean political statement?  Because a whole lot of those hats and fascinators were fashion statements.  (I'm not sure a wedding is the place for either, personally, just trying to clarify what you meant)

I think I'd disagree that weddings aren't the place for fashion statements. British weddings of a certain style tend to be all about the Big Hats. ;D
see, I guess making any kind of "statement" deliberately seems to be kind of attention seeking which I always thought was inappropriate for wedding guests.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: immadz on May 17, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
You know, I have never seen her wear a hat. Almost ever. Makes me wonder if it is more a comfort thing than a statement of any sort. I know that when I wear a hat, I sometimes develop a rash on my forehead or scalp. Maybe she is just more sensitive.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Giggity on May 17, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
I really don't know much about this tradition or "requirement." Is this a big deal?

For me, it would be. I mean, I don't know about your situation, but I can say it's not often I have the chance to wear a hat that looks like Cthulhu's gift wrap. I gotta take the opportunity where it arises.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: Nurvingiel on May 17, 2011, 01:41:57 PM
I really don't know much about this tradition or "requirement." Is this a big deal?

For me, it would be. I mean, I don't know about your situation, but I can say it's not often I have the chance to wear a hat that looks like Cthulhu's gift wrap. I gotta take the opportunity where it arises.
It's important to show proper reverance to the Elder Gods, with celebratory gift wrap hats. ;D

Someone's wedding is just not a good place for a fashion statement.

Do you mean political statement?  Because a whole lot of those hats and fascinators were fashion statements.  (I'm not sure a wedding is the place for either, personally, just trying to clarify what you meant)

I think I'd disagree that weddings aren't the place for fashion statements. British weddings of a certain style tend to be all about the Big Hats. ;D
see, I guess making any kind of "statement" deliberately seems to be kind of attention seeking which I always thought was inappropriate for wedding guests.
I thought that her lack of a hat or fascinator was a fashion statement, since the dress code is to have a hat that matches the rest of your outfit.

She dressed differently to make a statement. If it was political, that would be inappropriate too.
Title: Re: Not Wearing a Hat To the Royal Wedding = Slap In the Face?
Post by: blue2000 on May 18, 2011, 07:15:47 AM
I really don't know much about this tradition or "requirement." Is this a big deal?

For me, it would be. I mean, I don't know about your situation, but I can say it's not often I have the chance to wear a hat that looks like Cthulhu's gift wrap. I gotta take the opportunity where it arises.

You almost made me choke on my breakfast! ;D