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Title: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: MadMadge43 on July 02, 2011, 06:35:39 PM
I think it was stunning. I liked it even more than Kate's dress.

But the sour look on her face made her a very unattractive bride. I only saw the pictures available on CNN, so hopefully there were some where she looked happy to be getting married.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: kareng57 on July 02, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
I didn't see any "sour" looks at all.  Sure she looks a bit nervous, who wouldn't be?  But I think she looks happy and quite content - and absolutely beautiful.  Some people simply don't feel comfortable with enormous smiles.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Wry Exchange on July 02, 2011, 07:49:21 PM
Maybe she's not too happy.  It was too late for her to back out of the wedding if the rumors about her trying to leave are true.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: yokozbornak on July 02, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
It was pretty and she was lovely, but I liked Kate Middleton's dress much better.  She did appear sad to me also, but you never really know.  I wish them well.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Jess13 on July 02, 2011, 10:11:23 PM
In light of the news that her now husband is being tested as the possible father of a 3rd out of wedlock child, I'd have a bit of a sad or sour expression on my wedding day.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: still in va on July 02, 2011, 10:36:22 PM
In light of the news that her now husband is being tested as the possible father of a 3rd out of wedlock child, I'd have a bit of a sad or sour expression on my wedding day.

unless the child was fathered during their relationship, i wouldn't think this would affect the bride at all.  if the child was conceived before they began their relationship, no reflection upon her husband and none of her business.  if the child was conceived after their relationship started, i would have a sour expression as well...as i ran away from the palace.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: cbcb on July 02, 2011, 11:28:57 PM
In light of the news that her now husband is being tested as the possible father of a 3rd out of wedlock child, I'd have a bit of a sad or sour expression on my wedding day.

unless the child was fathered during their relationship, i wouldn't think this would affect the bride at all.  if the child was conceived before they began their relationship, no reflection upon her husband and none of her business.  if the child was conceived after their relationship started, i would have a sour expression as well...as i ran away from the palace.

Child (one of them, there are rumoured to be two) is 18 months, and their relationship is at least 4 years old. She apparently tried to do exactly what you suggested but was detained by some authorities and brought back for the wedding.

All in all, I feel really bad for her.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: kglory on July 03, 2011, 12:47:35 AM
Is the poll about which bride had the prettier dress/prettier expression on her face?  That doesn't seem to be an etiquette question.

The part about the groom having potentially fathered a child out of wedlock, I do feel bad for her if that is the case.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: RingTailedLemur on July 03, 2011, 01:47:20 AM
In light of the news that her now husband is being tested as the possible father of a 3rd out of wedlock child, I'd have a bit of a sad or sour expression on my wedding day.

unless the child was fathered during their relationship, i wouldn't think this would affect the bride at all.  if the child was conceived before they began their relationship, no reflection upon her husband and none of her business.  if the child was conceived after their relationship started, i would have a sour expression as well...as i ran away from the palace.

If the secret out of wedlock child were fathered before the relationship I think it would still be an issue as it would reflect upon his character.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Talley on July 03, 2011, 03:14:38 AM
I found Charlene's dress a bit "meh" - a safe choice, and while it was ok, I thought it somewhat boring.

I agree that she did not look very happy... I wish her all the best and good luck though.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Lauren on July 03, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
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if the child was conceived after their relationship started, i would have a sour expression as well...as i ran away from the palace.

The child is 18 months old. And apparently she did. She was stopped at the airport and her passport taken off her as per rumour.

There's a video of her crying and they don't look like happy tears. It's actually incredibly sad.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 03, 2011, 07:00:33 AM
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if the child was conceived after their relationship started, i would have a sour expression as well...as i ran away from the palace.

The child is 18 months old. And apparently she did. She was stopped at the airport and her passport taken off her as per rumour.

There's a video of her crying and they don't look like happy tears. It's actually incredibly sad.

She was prevented from leaving by the government?
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Lauren on July 03, 2011, 07:14:42 AM
That's the rumour. Considering the person who married them (in the civil ceremony) was the head of government it's not that far fetched.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 03, 2011, 07:18:35 AM
That's the rumour. Considering the person who married them (in the civil ceremony) was the head of government it's not that far fetched.

From what I've read, she was leaving the Nice airport which is not under the jurisdiction of Monaco.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: GeauxTigers on July 03, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
Back to the original question:

Kate's dress suited her perfectly. Looooooved it.

Charlene's dress also suited her to-die-for swimmer's physique perfectly.

The difference: Kate appeared to be genuinely happy.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: MadMadge43 on July 03, 2011, 09:25:35 AM
GeauxTiger,

I think this is where the confusion set it. I really do like Charlenes dress more. And she might even be physically prettier than Kate (obviously this is objective)- but Charlene just didn't radiate like Kate did.

I didn't realize about all the rumors until after I posted this. But it definitely makes sense now.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Twik on July 03, 2011, 09:58:31 AM
I think there are ways of bringing someone back that don't involve clapping her in chains.

"You care for X, don't you? Do you understand how catastrophic it would be for his reputation if he left? Sure, he's made a misstep, but he truly loves youl Oh, and here's a lovely gift of a zillion dollars he said he wanted you to have as a wedding present. Please don't humilate this man who loves you...."

There can be a lot of psychological pressure put on without any taking of passports, etc.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: GeauxTigers on July 03, 2011, 10:07:16 AM
Right.

Even before all the alleged "infinite persuasion"-at-the-airport stuff happened, it was widely reported that Princess Charlene appeared quite anxious and ill-at-ease in public, as it she was overly concerned about doing or saying the "wrong" thing. It's sadly ironic that she is now styled "Her Serene Highness".

I realize that there are many cultural differences between Monaco and Japan, (as well as the fact that Japan's Crown Prince is not a playboy)  but I really hope that she does not end up secluded and broken like poor Crown Princess Masako.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Shopaholic on July 03, 2011, 10:10:11 AM
I preferred Kate's. It was just more special, IMO, and she did look extremely happy.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: #borecore on July 03, 2011, 10:11:44 AM
I really like both dresses for both women.
Unfortunately Charlene's looks really rumpled or ill-fitting in the chest/belly area in many of the photos I saw (and she has some kind of white blobs, maybe flower petals, stuck at the neckline), but if it were more smooth, I'd love it. It's definitely more the kind of thing I could see wearing myself, whereas Kate's was totally formal, cathedral-princess, which was gorgeous, but not for me (I was one of the Pippa's dress fans).

I wasn't familiar with the issues around the Monaco wedding, as I don't usually follow these things in the news, but I can't blame her for looking less than enthused if all that's true.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Jess13 on July 03, 2011, 04:24:32 PM
Just a follow up to my original post, there is apparently a possible 2nd new child, yet to be born. And the 1st new one is 18 months old. They have been together for 5 years, so I would be sour on my wedding day too if I found out my soon to be husband had not only cheated on me, but fathered another child, let alone 2?
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: TeamBhakta on July 03, 2011, 04:52:02 PM
In light of the news that her now husband is being tested as the possible father of a 3rd out of wedlock child, I'd have a bit of a sad or sour expression on my wedding day.

unless the child was fathered during their relationship, i wouldn't think this would affect the bride at all.  if the child was conceived before they began their relationship, no reflection upon her husband and none of her business.  if the child was conceived after their relationship started, i would have a sour expression as well...as i ran away from the palace.

How would that be none of her business ?  ???
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Twik on July 03, 2011, 04:56:01 PM
I might not expect my husband to be to have been celibate before he met me, but there seems to be something ... careless, in having so many unacknowledged children.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: mechtilde on July 03, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
If it were a man I was marrying, I'd want to know exactly how many children he had, and that he was supporting them and at least trying to be involved as a father (although I recognise that this is not always possible). This isn't something trivial- these are human lives we are talking about.

Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 03, 2011, 06:03:11 PM
I might not expect my husband to be to have been celibate before he met me, but there seems to be something ... careless, in having so many unacknowledged children.

From what I've gathered, he supports them financially.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Twik on July 03, 2011, 06:38:45 PM
I might not expect my husband to be to have been celibate before he met me, but there seems to be something ... careless, in having so many unacknowledged children.

From what I've gathered, he supports them financially.

That's not quite the same as being a proper father. Money isn't enough of a contribution from a parent.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: gmama on July 03, 2011, 07:50:15 PM
I prefer Kate's and agree with a PP who said Kate "radiated".

Apparently, at Charlene's wedding reception, Naomi Campbell wore a *gasp!* WHITE dress!!  There are some articles on the interent saying she upstaged the bride.

Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Deetee on July 03, 2011, 07:53:02 PM
Just a follow up to my original post, there is apparently a possible 2nd new child, yet to be born. And the 1st new one is 18 months old. They have been together for 5 years, so I would be sour on my wedding day too if I found out my soon to be husband had not only cheated on me, but fathered another child, let alone 2?

I just looked this up on Wikipedia and he has two children, but they are 6 and 19, so predate his relationship Charlene. I can't find any reference to an acknowledged 18 month old, but there is an additional paternity suit pending.

Are there other sources that discuss a child born since his relationsip with Charlene.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 03, 2011, 08:06:46 PM
I might not expect my husband to be to have been celibate before he met me, but there seems to be something ... careless, in having so many unacknowledged children.

From what I've gathered, he supports them financially.

That's not quite the same as being a proper father. Money isn't enough of a contribution from a parent.

It beats what many get. And, I do not know for a fact that he is not in any way involved in their lives.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Mopsy428 on July 03, 2011, 08:22:54 PM
In light of the news that her now husband is being tested as the possible father of a 3rd out of wedlock child, I'd have a bit of a sad or sour expression on my wedding day.

unless the child was fathered during their relationship, i wouldn't think this would affect the bride at all.  if the child was conceived before they began their relationship, no reflection upon her husband and none of her business.  if the child was conceived after their relationship started, i would have a sour expression as well...as i ran away from the palace.

How would that be none of her business ?  ???
There are some things that are none of a spouse's business. However, how many children the other spouse has *would* be one of those things that is the spouse's business to know.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: katycoo on July 03, 2011, 09:39:58 PM
Here's an Australian article about her 'escape attempts'.  And some pics.  She looks happy in some of them...

Article: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/princess-tried-to-flee-three-times-20110704-1gxwa.html

Photos: http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/lifestyle/people/monaco-royal-wedding-20110702-1gw47.html?selectedImage=0
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: #borecore on July 03, 2011, 10:10:29 PM
On the last few photos on Kam0706's link, the shots at the concert, Charlene's wearing this fab-u-lous necklace. I am probably never going to be in a position to wear/afford such a thing, but I love it!
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 03, 2011, 10:22:16 PM
Here's an Australian article about her 'escape attempts'.  And some pics.  She looks happy in some of them...

Article: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/princess-tried-to-flee-three-times-20110704-1gxwa.html

Photos: http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/lifestyle/people/monaco-royal-wedding-20110702-1gw47.html?selectedImage=0

It would have been nice if Jean-Michel Jarre had worn proper attire. I don't care how artistic one is, one should wear proper attire to a royal wedding. For that matter, to any wedding.

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/lifestyle/people/monaco-royal-wedding-20110702-1gw47.html?selectedImage=3
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: evely28 on July 03, 2011, 10:59:06 PM
I think he started out in proper attire and yet since he was also performing, it stands to reason that his attire will change.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Deetee on July 03, 2011, 11:36:07 PM
Here's an Australian article about her 'escape attempts'.  And some pics.  She looks happy in some of them...

Article: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/princess-tried-to-flee-three-times-20110704-1gxwa.html

Photos: http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/lifestyle/people/monaco-royal-wedding-20110702-1gw47.html?selectedImage=0

Ok, I know that if you take a bunch of pictures you get some bad ones, but is picture 23 the most awkward kiss ever?
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Shopaholic on July 04, 2011, 12:09:17 AM
Here's an Australian article about her 'escape attempts'.  And some pics.  She looks happy in some of them...

Article: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/princess-tried-to-flee-three-times-20110704-1gxwa.html

Photos: http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/lifestyle/people/monaco-royal-wedding-20110702-1gw47.html?selectedImage=0

Ok, I know that if you take a bunch of pictures you get some bad ones, but is picture 23 the most awkward kiss ever?

I agree. But then I've never been a big fan of watching people kiss.
Both Albert and Charlene are not overly photogenic, I must say. There are many photos of her with her eyes closed, which is a shame because I really do think she's very pretty.

O/T but I really think that Andrea Casiraghi looks a lot worse than he did a few years ago! Must be too much time in the sun, or maybe chopping off his hair that made him lose his looks?
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: anonymoose on July 04, 2011, 12:55:41 AM
I voted neither, because I prefer my wedding dress to theirs  >:D
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Akarui Kibuno on July 04, 2011, 02:41:30 AM
http://www.imnotobsessed.com/2011/07/03/prince-albert-charlene-wittstock-wed-in-religious-ceremony/prince-albert-and-charlene-wittstock-tie-the-knot-in-monaco-2/

This picture stood out to me. So of course I know that while taking a set of pictures some are bound to show someone with weird faces. But this one pic does not scream happy bride to me :( .
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Twik on July 04, 2011, 05:29:29 AM
It beats what many get.

One can't justify one's own behaviour on the grounds that other people act even more reprehensibly.

Personally, I would expect my husband-to-be to be responsible enough to take appropriate steps to prevent such occurrences. (Not to mention, of course, that the existence of multiple children with multiple partners makes it a reasonable inference that "safe sex" isn't a top priority with him.)
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: MadMadge43 on July 04, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
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Ok, I know that if you take a bunch of pictures you get some bad ones, but is picture 23 the most awkward kiss ever?

I've seen other photos by other photographers of that kiss, and they're all awkward. It just seems as if she's straining so hard.

As to the musician's outfit. Totally inappropriate. jI've never heard of this guy and will have to look him up. He could have at least shown up with a tie and taken it off for the performance.

Princess Stephanie is looking so old- I remember when she was amazing and glamorous. Princess Carolyn still looks great.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: cbcb on July 04, 2011, 12:10:03 PM
I get the feeling that the standard of dress for this wedding was more "red carpet appropriate" than classic wedding (just based on the photos I've seen), in which case the musician is right on target with a current red carpet approach for males. That fits my impression of the Monaco crew!

Why no Carla Bruni - I saw Sarkozy there (rated at about a billion times less interesting without her)? Is she that far into her pregnancy? I'm sad we don't get to see her outfit.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: evely28 on July 04, 2011, 12:23:40 PM
I love the little bridesmaids and their outfits are adorable.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: ydpubs on July 04, 2011, 12:43:52 PM
What tipped it off for me was, when I first clicked this thread I did a search for her dress so I could vote in the poll.

What struck me was how many photos there were where she was just not smiling. She looked downright unhappy. And event the ones where she was, it looked forced. 

Her lips smile, but it never reaches her eyes.

I had no knowledge of the backstory. All I could think is: What is up with that?
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Wonderflonium on July 04, 2011, 01:43:41 PM
It's no secret that I'm totally in love with Kate's dress. Charlene's dress, however, just doesn't do it for me. It doesn't seem to fit her properly (I wonder if, like a lot of brides, she kept losing weight and they didn't do a final fitting), and I loathe the center seam in the front. It's also a whole lot of uninterupted satin.

However, did you SEE what was in her hair? Oh, how I want it!!!!!

Here's a slideshow with more pics: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/02/royal-wedding-prince-albert-charlene-wittstock_n_889217.html#s302321&title=With_her_dad

I agree that she doesn't look all that happy in most pics, but because I don't know her, I can't tell if it's just the stress of a very public wedding, if she's not normally smiley, or if she really did want to escape.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: MadMadge43 on July 04, 2011, 01:46:48 PM
The hair piece is beautiful.

By the way, haven't seen a picture yet of her father smiling either.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: oogyda on July 04, 2011, 02:57:24 PM
I love Princess Charlene's Dress.  Gorgous and very unique. 

Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: GeauxTigers on July 04, 2011, 03:09:07 PM
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Princess Stephanie is looking so old- I remember when she was amazing and glamorous. Princess Carolyn still looks great.

I didn't want to be the first person to mention this.

She's 45 or 46 - yet looks much older than Caroline. Too much sun? Too much something else? Her eye makeup did not help matters, either.

Back to the bride - I agree that it appears that she may have lost a not-insignificant amount of weight after the final fitting - and satin is an unforgiving fabric.

Now the media are saying that she attempted to flee 3 times - the first time in Paris after a fitting at Armani. The words used were "sought refuge at the South African embassy". After attempt #3, her passport was confiscated and according to Le Journal du Dimanche " an arrangement was reached between the future bride and groom."

Interesting  - the honeymoon destinations include South Africa...

Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: ydpubs on July 04, 2011, 03:27:23 PM
I didn't vote ultimately because I liked both dresses equally.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: katycoo on July 04, 2011, 06:43:10 PM
Naomi Campbell's dress for the reception, was IMO, entirely inappropriate.

Thoughts?
(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/07/04/2471074/art_naomi-campbell-dinner-420x0.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: ydpubs on July 04, 2011, 07:09:38 PM
Yes, that dress is very tacky and rude.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Larrabee on July 04, 2011, 07:11:17 PM
Yes, that dress is very tacky and rude.

I expect nothing less from Naomi Campbell!
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Shopaholic on July 04, 2011, 10:32:14 PM

I agree that she doesn't look all that happy in most pics, but because I don't know her, I can't tell if it's just the stress of a very public wedding, if she's not normally smiley, or if she really did want to escape.

I totally agree. I think she looks extremely tense before the ceremony, but she loosens up after. There is a nice picture of her and Albert talking together as they walk back up the aisle.

Naomi Campbell's dress for the reception, was IMO, entirely inappropriate.

Thoughts?
(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/07/04/2471074/art_naomi-campbell-dinner-420x0.jpg)

That dress is horrendous. It's sole purpose is to scream "Look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
The fact that it's white bothers me less, because a lot of guests wore light colors, including Princess Stephanie and Princess Victoria, I think.

I have another O/T question: why is Prince Edward wearing white military regalia? I noticed that most, if not all, of the royal men wore white - but Edward has always been one to prefer regular clothes to uniforms, including at his own wedding, and recently at William's. I really don't remember any recent event where he wore uniform, especially not white - I didn't even know that there were white uniforms in the British army.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: BabylonSister on July 04, 2011, 10:40:20 PM
I love the little bridesmaids and their outfits are adorable.

They're wearing traditional Provenšal costume (or it might be the costume from Nice. Heaven help those who say Nice is in Provence.)
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I agree that she doesn't look all that happy in most pics, but because I don't know her, I can't tell if it's just the stress of a very public wedding, if she's not normally smiley, or if she really did want to escape.

I think she's just not a very smiley person, from pics I've seen of her before. That's a shame. She's a beautiful woman and she looks even better with a smile. I hope she's happy --smile or not-- and I hope they can make their marriage work.

And I loved the neckline on her dress. I'm not a huge fan of strapless wedding dresses. Maybe she and Princess Catherine can help put a bit more variety in necklines or bring back sleeves.  ;)
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: guihong on July 04, 2011, 10:46:15 PM
Naomi Campbell's dress for the reception, was IMO, entirely inappropriate.

Thoughts?
(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/07/04/2471074/art_naomi-campbell-dinner-420x0.jpg)

I think Kam's avatar says it all for me.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Carnation on July 05, 2011, 08:15:26 AM
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Ok, I know that if you take a bunch of pictures you get some bad ones, but is picture 23 the most awkward kiss ever?

I've seen other photos by other photographers of that kiss, and they're all awkward. It just seems as if she's straining so hard.

As to the musician's outfit. Totally inappropriate. jI've never heard of this guy and will have to look him up. He could have at least shown up with a tie and taken it off for the performance.

Princess Stephanie is looking so old- I remember when she was amazing and glamorous. Princess Carolyn still looks great.

I thought likewise about Princess Stephanie.  She's 8 years younger than Caroline.  I remember when she was a teenager, out having a grand time.   C'est la vie!

PS, my heart belongs to Diana's dress.  It was lovely for such a young bride.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: missmolly on July 05, 2011, 09:09:39 AM
Naomi Campbell's dress for the reception, was IMO, entirely inappropriate.

Thoughts?
(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/07/04/2471074/art_naomi-campbell-dinner-420x0.jpg)

I think Kam's avatar says it all for me.

That kind of outfit would make a showgirl shake her head. It's bad enough she wears such a tasteless cut dress, but in white?
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Flora Louise on July 05, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
And some people think soap operas are far-fetched. It's "Dynasty" revisited.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: cbcb on July 05, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
See, my feeling is that her dress offers a minimum of objects to be hurled in anger, which can only be a plus. Unless those green decorations are detachable, then everyone watch out.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Winterlight on July 05, 2011, 11:06:46 AM
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Princess Stephanie is looking so old- I remember when she was amazing and glamorous. Princess Carolyn still looks great.

I didn't want to be the first person to mention this.

She's 45 or 46 - yet looks much older than Caroline. Too much sun? Too much something else? Her eye makeup did not help matters, either.

A lot of fairly rough living, I think.

If it were a man I was marrying, I'd want to know exactly how many children he had, and that he was supporting them and at least trying to be involved as a father (although I recognise that this is not always possible). This isn't something trivial- these are human lives we are talking about.

This so very much.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Carnation on July 05, 2011, 11:35:04 AM
Naomi Campbell's dress for the reception, was IMO, entirely inappropriate.

Thoughts?
(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/07/04/2471074/art_naomi-campbell-dinner-420x0.jpg)

Fur in the summer?
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: immadz on July 05, 2011, 01:08:34 PM
Naomi Campbell's dress for the reception, was IMO, entirely inappropriate.

Thoughts?
(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/07/04/2471074/art_naomi-campbell-dinner-420x0.jpg)

Fur in the summer?

I think those were meant to be angel wings...
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Twik on July 06, 2011, 08:30:30 AM
Maybe she's channeling Sesshoumaru?

She has the temper part down already.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: LeveeWoman on July 06, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
I think he started out in proper attire and yet since he was also performing, it stands to reason that his attire will change.

I was referring to the clothes he was wearing as he got out of his limo and walked into the church.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Ferrets on July 06, 2011, 10:42:27 AM
I have another O/T question: why is Prince Edward wearing white military regalia?

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I really don't remember any recent event where he wore uniform, especially not white - I didn't even know that there were white uniforms in the British army.

It isn't Army uniform. He's wearing whites of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Fleet_Auxiliary) - a civilian (though MoD-owned) service which provides logistical support to the Royal Navy. Edward's Commodore-in-Chief of the RFA (it's an honorary rank).
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Winterlight on July 06, 2011, 02:33:25 PM
I have another O/T question: why is Prince Edward wearing white military regalia? I noticed that most, if not all, of the royal men wore white - but Edward has always been one to prefer regular clothes to uniforms, including at his own wedding, and recently at William's. I really don't remember any recent event where he wore uniform, especially not white - I didn't even know that there were white uniforms in the British army.

Summer formal dress in the British army used to be all white, now it's a white jacket over blue trousers. White uniforms are worn by the British navy in the tropics. /end research geek
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: still in va on July 06, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
I have another O/T question: why is Prince Edward wearing white military regalia? I noticed that most, if not all, of the royal men wore white - but Edward has always been one to prefer regular clothes to uniforms, including at his own wedding, and recently at William's. I really don't remember any recent event where he wore uniform, especially not white - I didn't even know that there were white uniforms in the British army.

Summer formal dress in the British army used to be all white, now it's a white jacket over blue trousers. White uniforms are worn by the British navy in the tropics. /end research geek

summer dress uniforms for the US Navy and the Marine Corps is also white.  white pants, blouse, hat, socks, shoes, and gloves.  i always thought the uniform made them look like the Good Humor Man myself.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: T'Mar of Vulcan on July 07, 2011, 02:05:41 AM
Yesterday the newspaper hoardings along all the main roads had this as the headline: 5-1 Charlene Stays! I think that means people are betting the odds that once she's back home she will refuse to go back to Monaco. Frankly, if I were her, I'd probably want to stay too.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: still in va on July 07, 2011, 07:54:49 AM
Yesterday the newspaper hoardings along all the main roads had this as the headline: 5-1 Charlene Stays! I think that means people are betting the odds that once she's back home she will refuse to go back to Monaco. Frankly, if I were her, I'd probably want to stay too.

from everything i've read since this was posted (had NO idea that she had tried to leave  Europe), i would probably stay too!  not too smart of Albert to take her back to South Africa for their honeymoon.  in Europe, he has the "home field advantage" and the power.  in S.A., that power shifts to her side.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Shopaholic on July 07, 2011, 08:03:51 AM
I have another O/T question: why is Prince Edward wearing white military regalia?

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I really don't remember any recent event where he wore uniform, especially not white - I didn't even know that there were white uniforms in the British army.

It isn't Army uniform. He's wearing whites of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Fleet_Auxiliary) - a civilian (though MoD-owned) service which provides logistical support to the Royal Navy. Edward's Commodore-in-Chief of the RFA (it's an honorary rank).

Thank you for clarifying!
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: whiterose on July 08, 2011, 09:47:33 AM
I liked Kate's better. But Charlene's was pretty as well. Neither was strapless, halter, or otherwise too revealing. Both were very proper.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Balletmom on July 26, 2011, 08:43:36 PM

summer dress uniforms for the US Navy and the Marine Corps is also white.  white pants, blouse, hat, socks, shoes, and gloves.  i always thought the uniform made them look like the Good Humor Man myself.
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My college  Navy boyfriend had some kind of petroleum based product that took the stains out of the all-white dress uniform. I remember it as more of the High Maintenance Man, as he was in a perpetual bad humor about keeping it perfect.

Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: rashea on July 27, 2011, 10:24:12 AM
I like the cut of Charlene's, but the embroidery was weird:

http://awhitecarousel.com/2011/monaco-royal-wedding-charlene-wittstock-prince-albert/princess-charlene-monaco-wedding-dress/

And I like the thought and symbolism that Kate managed to get into hers. I think that's a really sweet touch that turned it from a dress into a statement.

I also agree that Kate radiated, and Charlene looks uncomfortable if nothing else.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Marisol on July 27, 2011, 11:35:19 AM
Naomi's dress looks like an angel costume to me too.

I preferred Kate's dress, but I have never been a fan of form fitting dresses.  I like ball gowns with full skirts.  I do like the portrait style neckline of Charlene's dress though. 

I think both Kate and Charlene had pretty basic dresses though.  Nothing too elaborate or uncommon.  Kate's is a little more ordinary but I still liked it better.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Red1979 on July 27, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
I infinitely prefer Kate's dress, I find Charlene's a bit ill-fitting and to me the fabric comes off as cheap (even though I'm sure it was very expensive).  It's just not a regal dress, imho.

I also think Kate was a far more beautiful bride--she looked so much happier and comfortable.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: LEMon on July 27, 2011, 05:00:52 PM
I have a question about temperature - what temp was it (inside and out) for the different weddings? 

Charlene's dress made me think she might have been worried about the heat.  Something I read noted that it was very hot.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Flora Louise on August 03, 2011, 12:43:32 PM
Did anyone see Zara Phillips' dress? I thought she looked radiant but I know her choice of dress has been criticised.

http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html (http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html)
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Larrabee on August 03, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
Did anyone see Zara Phillips' dress? I thought she looked radiant but I know her choice of dress has been criticised.

http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html (http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html)

I thought she looked lovely, but I get the feeling that Zara Phillips isn't somebody who would get overly excited about wedding dresses and so on, she always looks more comfortable in riding gear!

She did however look really happy, as did her husband.  I'm no royalist but I've always liked Princess Anne and her children, maybe because I get the impression that they aren't really royalists either!
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Flora Louise on August 03, 2011, 01:57:22 PM
I do hope we get to see Zara compete at the Olympics.  She seems like a fun person. 
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 03, 2011, 02:22:27 PM
I hope so, too. I'd like to go out for drinks with the royal grandkids. In general, they seem like a fun bunch.

I saw one picture of Zara where it was just amazing how much she looked like her mother.

I liked her dress. The band at the bottom wasn't my taste, but she seemed so happy. Yay for happy brides!
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: yokozbornak on August 03, 2011, 03:33:54 PM
Did anyone see Zara Phillips' dress? I thought she looked radiant but I know her choice of dress has been criticised.

http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html (http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html)

I think her dress is gorgeous!
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Starchasm on August 03, 2011, 04:23:30 PM
Did anyone see Zara Phillips' dress? I thought she looked radiant but I know her choice of dress has been criticised.

http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html (http://www.fashiontonights.com/zara-phillips-wedding-dress-photos.html)

Ugh, the first two pictures make it look like a wrinkled bridesmaids dress, but the picture from the shade shows some really nice satin highlights that makes it look a lot more elegant.  I'd like to see better pictures before I pass final judgment, but the silhouette doesn't really do a lot for me.

Kate's dress was the ULTIMATE, in my opinion.  ;D  And I don't even usually like ballgowns.  Princess Charlene's dress just looked ill-fitting to me.  That center seam was strange, and it bunched in all the wrong places.  She has SUCH a nice figure, and it looked like she was wearing a sack!

I'm really sad about the 'escape' attempts.  If she wants to get out, I hope she manages to stay in SA.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: KenveeB on August 03, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
I liked the top of Zara's dress, especially the shoulders, but I thought the skirt looked frumpy and wrinkled.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: AppleBlossom on August 03, 2011, 06:37:18 PM
Did anyone see Zara Phillips' dress? I thought she looked radiant but I know her choice of dress has been criticised.

The geometric tiara was the perfect choice for Zara and her bouquet was gorgeous. I think the dress was very fussy and ordinary, considering Zara's usual sleek style. The tulle straps were too fussy, the waistline made her waist and hips look bigger, and the tacked-on hem looked sloppy. As you say though, she looked radiant. Zara and her groom would be the most fun royals to go to the pub with.
Title: Re: Princess Charlene's Dress?
Post by: Shopaholic on August 03, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
I thought it was boring, but Zara's never been a big fashionista. She knows what looks good on her, and that dress fit her perfectly.
I don't like the additional band on the bottom, nor do I like those kind of sleeves, which I guess were meant to slim down her shoulders.
I loved her tiara and hair and make up. She almost always looks fantastic in my opinion (except when she goes for shiny), maybe it's the fact that she always seems to be enjoying herself so much.

All the royal ladies looked great, except maybe for Autumn Phillips - that coat was very boxy and made her look older.