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Title: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Flora Louise on July 12, 2011, 01:15:24 PM
Did anyone else see the story about the Marine stationed in Afghanistan who invited Mila Kunis to the Marine Corps Ball in N.C. by You Tube? Apparently, she said "Yes."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/07/12/marine-sgt-scott-moore-excited-for-his-dream-date-with-mila-kunis/ (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/07/12/marine-sgt-scott-moore-excited-for-his-dream-date-with-mila-kunis/)
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Sabbyfrog2 on July 12, 2011, 01:17:04 PM
I gotta say that took guts. I love a guy who has the guts to just ask.

Way to go Mila! Do it for our country!

Sings: Yeeeeah, let's do it for our Country.
The red white and the blue.
It's Uncle Sam who's asking,
so your mother will approve.
Tomorrow I'll be fighting,
and I'll win this war for you.
Let's do it for our country,
our country wants us to

Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: rose red on July 12, 2011, 01:19:38 PM
I think it's sweet.  I also love the fact Justin Timberlake help encourage her to accept.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Wonderflonium on July 12, 2011, 01:22:54 PM
I gotta say that took guts. I love a guy who has the guts to just ask.

Way to go Mila! Do it for our country!

Sings: Yeeeeah, let's do it for our Country.
The red white and the blue.
It's Uncle Sam who's asking,
so your mother will approve.
Tomorrow I'll be fighting,
and I'll win this war for you.
Let's do it for our country,
our country wants us to

That song popped into my head as soon as you said "Do it for our country."  ;D

I've always thought she seemed like she'd be a fun person. I think this is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Sabbyfrog2 on July 12, 2011, 01:33:27 PM
I gotta say that took guts. I love a guy who has the guts to just ask.

Way to go Mila! Do it for our country!

Sings: Yeeeeah, let's do it for our Country.
The red white and the blue.
It's Uncle Sam who's asking,
so your mother will approve.
Tomorrow I'll be fighting,
and I'll win this war for you.
Let's do it for our country,
our country wants us to

That song popped into my head as soon as you said "Do it for our country."  ;D
I've always thought she seemed like she'd be a fun person. I think this is pretty cool.

Well of course it did. Because you and I share the same awesomeness...   I mean you DO have Dr Horrible in your profile pic afterall.  :P
And I agree. She seems like someone I'd want to hang out with.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Shoo on July 12, 2011, 01:48:17 PM
I never really knew much about her before, but now I am going to go see her latest movie.  :)
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Bethczar on July 12, 2011, 03:39:39 PM
I gotta say that took guts. I love a guy who has the guts to just ask.

Way to go Mila! Do it for our country!

Sings: Yeeeeah, let's do it for our Country.
The red white and the blue.
It's Uncle Sam who's asking,
so your mother will approve.
Tomorrow I'll be fighting,
and I'll win this war for you.
Let's do it for our country,
our country wants us to
Ha! I love that song!
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Gabrielle on July 12, 2011, 11:15:03 PM
I think it's sweet.  I also love the fact Justin Timberlake help encourage her to accept.

I didn't like that part of it. It's a nice story but JT was saying he would make it happen and she had to do it and "he'd work on it because it needed to go down". Before she'd even said anything. No pressure or anything! He's not her pimp.

I do think it is a nice story but it would be a lot nicer without him trying to broker the deal.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Akarui Kibuno on July 13, 2011, 08:12:55 AM
I think it's sweet.  I also love the fact Justin Timberlake help encourage her to accept.

I didn't like that part of it. It's a nice story but JT was saying he would make it happen and she had to do it and "he'd work on it because it needed to go down". Before she'd even said anything. No pressure or anything! He's not her pimp.

I do think it is a nice story but it would be a lot nicer without him trying to broker the deal.

I actually think that it was a rather funny situation. Sure, JT pushed her to do it, but it seems pretty clear that she would have done so anyway without his prompting :) .
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Kiara on July 14, 2011, 07:29:53 AM
 :(

It's being reported that Mila will be "too busy" to attend, but still wants to meet with Scott Moore.  I really hope this isn't true.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Shores on July 14, 2011, 07:34:19 AM
From what I read, she'll be far away in the middle of filming. I think the whole thing is silly. The marine has said that he was pushed into making the video because he lost a bet, Mila was CLEARLY pushed into doing it by JT "volunteering" her, and it just got out of hand. She should never have said she'd do it, but she probably felt pressured and put on the spot. JT should never have said he'd "make" her do it. I don't think refusing to honor a commitment that someone else made FOR you is wrong... she just should never have caved in the first place.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Winterlight on July 14, 2011, 07:46:44 AM
I think it's cute as a movie concept, but in real life it's not nice to put people on the spot like that.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Garden Goblin on July 14, 2011, 07:00:23 PM
The marine and JT were both exceptionally rude.  Mila Kunis should not be pressured to go out and put herself into a situation where she is obviously uncomfortable.  No one is entitled to date a celebrity and it is extremely rude to further pressure or guilt trip her into agreeing.  She especially never should have been put on the spot.

JT and the marine need to take a break from high-fiving each other and consider that Mila Kunis is a real, living, breathing, thinking human being.

I'm sorry, but after having gotten the guilt trip every single time I turned a man down for a date, I want to beat JT upside the head with a clue by eight.  A girl should be able to feel comfortable turning a guy down for a date, and JT should not be sending the message that it's okay to pressure a woman into doing something she obviously doesn't want to do.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Cosmasia on July 15, 2011, 07:19:12 PM
I don't see what's charming about it at all and I hate the idea that people seem to think she owes him this date.

I also dislike the fact that she's interrupted multiple times, some where it's pretty clear she's about to say things like "if I'm not busy" etc. Also she seems not too keen when she's told she's going alone.

All in all this really grates on me, especially as people are now talking bad of her because she might not do it after all. She doesn't owe him anything, she was put on the spot (which in and of itself is rude, IMO) and now she's stuck either going on a date with a completely stranger, which she was pretty much forced into, or to look like the big bad person who doesn't wanna "honour a service man" and whatever else people are saying.

I hate this and I feel bad for her.  :-\
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: SiotehCat on July 15, 2011, 07:21:11 PM
I heard on the radio today that her people confirmed that she was going to go. They havent confirmed whether or not JT is going to go though.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: HorseFreak on July 15, 2011, 07:41:15 PM
I don't see what's charming about it at all and I hate the idea that people seem to think she owes him this date.

I also dislike the fact that she's interrupted multiple times, some where it's pretty clear she's about to say things like "if I'm not busy" etc. Also she seems not too keen when she's told she's going alone.

All in all this really grates on me, especially as people are now talking bad of her because she might not do it after all. She doesn't owe him anything, she was put on the spot (which in and of itself is rude, IMO) and now she's stuck either going on a date with a completely stranger, which she was pretty much forced into, or to look like the big bad person who doesn't wanna "honour a service man" and whatever else people are saying.

I hate this and I feel bad for her.  :-\

I don't like this new trend of having to do everything someone in the military/veteran wants and give them your first born child in addition or "OH NOES you're a terrible person!" and get slaughtered in the media. If she wants to go on a date with a stranger, and he is a stranger, enlisted or not, that's up to her. She can't win- either someone else determines who she dates or she's vilified. Poor woman.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: oogyda on July 18, 2011, 06:30:01 AM
I think JT should find a nice, easy-going, female marine to ask to the ball.   ;D
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Winterlight on July 18, 2011, 07:23:27 AM
I think JT should find a nice, easy-going, female marine to ask to the ball.   ;D

According to my morning paper, one has already asked him by video, and both he and Mila are going.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: NestHolder on July 18, 2011, 10:46:21 AM
I don't see what's charming about it at all and I hate the idea that people seem to think she owes him this date.

I also dislike the fact that she's interrupted multiple times, some where it's pretty clear she's about to say things like "if I'm not busy" etc. Also she seems not too keen when she's told she's going alone.

All in all this really grates on me, especially as people are now talking bad of her because she might not do it after all. She doesn't owe him anything, she was put on the spot (which in and of itself is rude, IMO) and now she's stuck either going on a date with a completely stranger, which she was pretty much forced into, or to look like the big bad person who doesn't wanna "honour a service man" and whatever else people are saying.

I hate this and I feel bad for her.  :-\

I don't like this new trend of having to do everything someone in the military/veteran wants and give them your first born child in addition or "OH NOES you're a terrible person!" and get slaughtered in the media. If she wants to go on a date with a stranger, and he is a stranger, enlisted or not, that's up to her. She can't win- either someone else determines who she dates or she's vilified. Poor woman.

I agree.  If this had been something private - the Marine had written to her, for example - she'd have had the opportunity to accept or decline without fuss.  I imagine the usual response from celebrities is to decline politely and send an autographed photo.  I certainly wouldn't want to spend an entire evening with a complete stranger - particularly not a complete stranger for whom I would be a *trophy*.  For the man to make his invitation public was... well, not a polite move.  (Although if he lost a bet, or was dared to do it, it's at least understandable.  Thanks for making a lady you don't know the subject of your bet, guys.)

That Justin Timberlake intervened doesn't particularly surprise me.  It can't have occurred to him that his co-star ought to be able to make her own decision, but he doesn't score very well on Feminism101.

I'm glad he's now received his own invitation-by-YouTube, but sadly, he won't be in the same position that Mila Kunis will be in, given the difference in the way men and women are generally treated.  And he did, to a great extent, bring it on himself, whereas all she did was *exist*.  Happily, I think the female Marine who invited JT is on the martial arts instruction team, so she should have no trouble keeping him in line!
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 18, 2011, 10:48:57 AM
I think JT should find a nice, easy-going, female marine to ask to the ball.   ;D

According to my morning paper, one has already asked him by video, and both he and Mila are going.

Yes, they are both going.  Also, Betty White has been asked to attend.

I think it's fantastic!  No rudeness here at all, imo.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: ghost on July 20, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
Women (and people in general), are not objects to be acquired.

I come from a military family. My SO is military (and a veteran). I, for one, am very disappointed to see this sort of boorish behavior from a serviceman.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Akarui Kibuno on July 22, 2011, 01:50:52 AM
Women (and people in general), are not objects to be acquired.

I come from a military family. My SO is military (and a veteran). I, for one, am very disappointed to see this sort of boorish behavior from a serviceman.

I don't think it's that boorish, hehe.

And did you see that Laura Hamilton asked the marine who asked Bettie White :P ? Soon enough Hollywood will be all there haha XD
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Surianne on July 28, 2011, 01:51:44 PM
I don't see what's charming about it at all and I hate the idea that people seem to think she owes him this date.

I also dislike the fact that she's interrupted multiple times, some where it's pretty clear she's about to say things like "if I'm not busy" etc. Also she seems not too keen when she's told she's going alone.

All in all this really grates on me, especially as people are now talking bad of her because she might not do it after all. She doesn't owe him anything, she was put on the spot (which in and of itself is rude, IMO) and now she's stuck either going on a date with a completely stranger, which she was pretty much forced into, or to look like the big bad person who doesn't wanna "honour a service man" and whatever else people are saying.

I hate this and I feel bad for her.  :-\

I don't like this new trend of having to do everything someone in the military/veteran wants and give them your first born child in addition or "OH NOES you're a terrible person!" and get slaughtered in the media. If she wants to go on a date with a stranger, and he is a stranger, enlisted or not, that's up to her. She can't win- either someone else determines who she dates or she's vilified. Poor woman.

I completely agree.  Someone may have meant well originally, but doing this in such a public manner basically forces her to accept.  Not fair at all.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Ligeia on July 28, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
I don't see what's charming about it at all and I hate the idea that people seem to think she owes him this date.

I also dislike the fact that she's interrupted multiple times, some where it's pretty clear she's about to say things like "if I'm not busy" etc. Also she seems not too keen when she's told she's going alone.

All in all this really grates on me, especially as people are now talking bad of her because she might not do it after all. She doesn't owe him anything, she was put on the spot (which in and of itself is rude, IMO) and now she's stuck either going on a date with a completely stranger, which she was pretty much forced into, or to look like the big bad person who doesn't wanna "honour a service man" and whatever else people are saying.

I hate this and I feel bad for her.  :-\

I don't like this new trend of having to do everything someone in the military/veteran wants and give them your first born child in addition or "OH NOES you're a terrible person!" and get slaughtered in the media. If she wants to go on a date with a stranger, and he is a stranger, enlisted or not, that's up to her. She can't win- either someone else determines who she dates or she's vilified. Poor woman.

I completely agree.  Someone may have meant well originally, but doing this in such a public manner basically forces her to accept.  Not fair at all.

I agree as well.  Hasn't yet another celebrity been asked to attend this ball now?  (I can't remember who, but someone besides Betty White.)  It's kind of getting out of hand.  With all the media attention, there is simply no way these people can turn down these dates without being seen as haughty or "anti-American!" or something.  It may have started innocently enough, but now it strikes me as increasingly weird and vaguely unsettling.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 28, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
I don't see what's charming about it at all and I hate the idea that people seem to think she owes him this date.

I also dislike the fact that she's interrupted multiple times, some where it's pretty clear she's about to say things like "if I'm not busy" etc. Also she seems not too keen when she's told she's going alone.

All in all this really grates on me, especially as people are now talking bad of her because she might not do it after all. She doesn't owe him anything, she was put on the spot (which in and of itself is rude, IMO) and now she's stuck either going on a date with a completely stranger, which she was pretty much forced into, or to look like the big bad person who doesn't wanna "honour a service man" and whatever else people are saying.

I hate this and I feel bad for her.  :-\

I don't like this new trend of having to do everything someone in the military/veteran wants and give them your first born child in addition or "OH NOES you're a terrible person!" and get slaughtered in the media. If she wants to go on a date with a stranger, and he is a stranger, enlisted or not, that's up to her. She can't win- either someone else determines who she dates or she's vilified. Poor woman.

I completely agree.  Someone may have meant well originally, but doing this in such a public manner basically forces her to accept.  Not fair at all.

I agree as well.  Hasn't yet another celebrity been asked to attend this ball now?  (I can't remember who, but someone besides Betty White.)  It's kind of getting out of hand.  With all the media attention, there is simply no way these people can turn down these dates without being seen as haughty or "anti-American!" or something.  It may have started innocently enough, but now it strikes me as increasingly weird and vaguely unsettling.

Scarlett Johanssen was asked and she declined, with grace and kindness, so it most certainly can be done.

I still think it's wonderful and have no problem with it at all.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: jimithing on July 28, 2011, 02:08:20 PM
I don't see what's charming about it at all and I hate the idea that people seem to think she owes him this date.

I also dislike the fact that she's interrupted multiple times, some where it's pretty clear she's about to say things like "if I'm not busy" etc. Also she seems not too keen when she's told she's going alone.

All in all this really grates on me, especially as people are now talking bad of her because she might not do it after all. She doesn't owe him anything, she was put on the spot (which in and of itself is rude, IMO) and now she's stuck either going on a date with a completely stranger, which she was pretty much forced into, or to look like the big bad person who doesn't wanna "honour a service man" and whatever else people are saying.

I hate this and I feel bad for her.  :-\

I don't like this new trend of having to do everything someone in the military/veteran wants and give them your first born child in addition or "OH NOES you're a terrible person!" and get slaughtered in the media. If she wants to go on a date with a stranger, and he is a stranger, enlisted or not, that's up to her. She can't win- either someone else determines who she dates or she's vilified. Poor woman.

I completely agree.  Someone may have meant well originally, but doing this in such a public manner basically forces her to accept.  Not fair at all.

My understanding, however, after seeing and reading numerous interviews with her about this is that she is really genuinely thrilled to attend.

I'm sure stars get asked to attend a lot of events all the time and have no problem saying no. I think the reason this story caught on was because she did accept.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: shyviolet3 on July 28, 2011, 05:08:45 PM
It's nice that she agreed to go, but I find this new trend sort of troubling.  Celebrities are being cornered by complete strangers  to go with them to an event. If for whatever reason they decline the invitation they are labeled as unpatriotic. I mean military or not  I would be reluctant to attend an event with a total stranger.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: sugar pie on July 28, 2011, 06:22:52 PM
I don't think the original Marine should have ever asked. Is it nice that Kunis and other celebs are agreeing to go? Sure, but that doesn't make the original invitation ok. It's extremely coercive and I'm a little surprised the Marine Corps is letting it go on like this.


ETA: Oh, I just wanted to say that I think this is probably the only place on the internet where I could say that or anything else perceived as slightly critical of the military without getting blasted as "callous" or "unpatriotic." I love you guys.  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: megswsu on July 28, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Women (and people in general), are not objects to be acquired.

I come from a military family. My SO is military (and a veteran). I, for one, am very disappointed to see this sort of boorish behavior from a serviceman.

Really? This sort of thing doesn't surprise me AT ALL! And I mean that in a good/light-hearted way. Soldiers do some of the stupidest, most asinine stuff just, well, because they can. And b/c they're probably bored. Even in Afganistan  :) So the fact that this type of bet occurred, doesn't surprise me in the least.

Seriously, some of the stuff DH tells me that they do to keep themselves entertained never ceases to amaze me. And DH is only signal. Infantry guys are even worse, and yet they have all the good stories.  ;D
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: afbluebelle on July 29, 2011, 08:38:36 AM
EH, its better than the ketchup/butter/syrup/rip it (high octane energy drink) chugging contests I have seen. I think I'd prefer to be the dude that got SJ's reply... case of champagne for the win!
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Wonderflonium on July 29, 2011, 09:24:09 AM
All I want to know is how to guilt Gerard Butler or Gale Harold into a date with me. Curse my non-military status!  >:D ;D
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: blahblahblah on July 29, 2011, 12:45:10 PM
It's nice that she agreed to go, but I find this new trend sort of troubling.  Celebrities are being cornered by complete strangers  to go with them to an event. If for whatever reason they decline the invitation they are labeled as unpatriotic. I mean military or not  I would be reluctant to attend an event with a total stranger.
I agree. This is from the guy who asked Scarlett:

"If I was told she could not attend, I would understand. I would not believe the invitation would be denied without good cause.

What?! The implied entitlement, it's boggling. Scarlett doesn't need a good cause to decline going to the ball! Who does he think he is? This sort of thing is making me hope that a celebrity will just say, "No, I don't have anything happening that day, I just don't want to go." (Or something along those lines. "Sorry, but I have to wash my hair that day.")
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 01:51:27 PM
It's nice that she agreed to go, but I find this new trend sort of troubling.  Celebrities are being cornered by complete strangers  to go with them to an event. If for whatever reason they decline the invitation they are labeled as unpatriotic. I mean military or not  I would be reluctant to attend an event with a total stranger.
I agree. This is from the guy who asked Scarlett:

"If I was told she could not attend, I would understand. I would not believe the invitation would be denied without good cause.

What?! The implied entitlement, it's boggling. Scarlett doesn't need a good cause to decline going to the ball! Who does he think he is? This sort of thing is making me hope that a celebrity will just say, "No, I don't have anything happening that day, I just don't want to go." (Or something along those lines. "Sorry, but I have to wash my hair that day.")

I think you are reading way too much into that response.  You have no idea what he would have considered "good cause".  For all we know, it could have been that she was washing her hair.

I don't read any "mind boggling" entitlement at all.  I also don't think it's a response that in any way would excuse the rudeness that you hope some celebrity would impart if they were asked to go to the Ball. 

Scarlett Johanssen proved with the incredible grace and kindness of her responce, that any star could decline the invitation and not be looked on poorly for it.  It wasn't even about the generous gift she sent, it was the simple and kind words she used in her response. 

I have just as much esteem for her as I do Mila Kunis & Justin Timberlake.  They have all made their own decisions on the matter, all with class, and none have come out looking poorly for it. 
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Surianne on July 29, 2011, 01:57:44 PM
I'm reading it the same way as blahblahblah, and I think the guy comes off extremely rude and entitled.  I'm not a Scarlett Johansson fan at all, but she's now won me over a little for declining (and doing it gracefully).
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: blahblahblah on July 29, 2011, 02:00:36 PM
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I also don't think it's a response that in any way would excuse the rudeness that you hope some celebrity would impart if they were asked to go to the Ball. 
Why would being honest about not wanting to go to the ball with a stranger be rude? People shouldn't feel the need to make up excuses for not saying yes. If someone says, "I just don't want to go," that's not being rude. (And I wasn't being entirely serious with the "I have to wash my hair" comment. I'm just recalling all those sitcoms that make a joke out of this sort of situation. Anybody else remember Boy Meets World? ;D)

And I guess we all have our own interpretations of his words, but IMO I really don't think that he would accept "I just don't want to" as "good cause."
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 02:02:41 PM
I'm reading it the same way as blahblahblah, and I think the guy comes off extremely rude and entitled.  I'm not a Scarlett Johansson fan at all, but she's now won me over a little for declining (and doing it gracefully).

What is "extremely" rude about his response?  Please explain because I think extreme rudeness really stands out, it's obvious and egregious, it usually overly offensive and hurtful.  Where is that in what he said?
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 02:05:22 PM
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I also don't think it's a response that in any way would excuse the rudeness that you hope some celebrity would impart if they were asked to go to the Ball. 
Why would being honest about not wanting to go to the ball with a stranger be rude? People shouldn't feel the need to make up excuses for not saying yes. If someone says, "I just don't want to go," that's not being rude. (And I wasn't being entirely serious with the "I have to wash my hair" comment. I'm just recalling all those sitcoms that make a joke out of this sort of situation. Anybody else remember Boy Meets World? ;D)

And I guess we all have our own interpretations of his words, but IMO I really don't think that he would accept "I just don't want to" as "good cause."


Can you provide the link to where you found that comment?  I want to read the article for context.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 02:08:45 PM
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I also don't think it's a response that in any way would excuse the rudeness that you hope some celebrity would impart if they were asked to go to the Ball. 
Why would being honest about not wanting to go to the ball with a stranger be rude? People shouldn't feel the need to make up excuses for not saying yes. If someone says, "I just don't want to go," that's not being rude. (And I wasn't being entirely serious with the "I have to wash my hair" comment. I'm just recalling all those sitcoms that make a joke out of this sort of situation. Anybody else remember Boy Meets World? ;D)

And I guess we all have our own interpretations of his words, but IMO I really don't think that he would accept "I just don't want to" as "good cause."


Saying "I don't want to go" is not rude.  Saying "I have to wash my hair" in response to a polite and public invitation, would be rude, classless and mean.  Why would that be necessary?  And, if you deem the public invitation to be rude overall, wouldn't that kind of response just be rudeness in response to rudeness? 

Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: blahblahblah on July 29, 2011, 02:11:32 PM
Scuba_Dog, the quote comes from here (http://CRUD MONKEYS!.yahoo.com/blogs/thefamous/scarlett-johansson-declines-invitation-to-marine-corps-ball-due-to-work-conflict/1802?nc), although it looks like he originally said it to Zap2It (which I don't have the link for, sorry!):

He told Zap2It before learning of Johansson's reply, "If I was told she could not attend, I would understand. I would not believe the invitation would be denied without good cause. With her current career I would imagine Scarlett Johansson is a busy woman."

The full quote here actually reinforces my impression that he wouldn't take "I don't want to" as a good reason.

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Saying "I have to wash my hair" in response to a polite and public invitation, would be rude, classless and mean.  Why would that be necessary?  And, if you deem the public invitation to be rude overall, wouldn't that kind of response just be rudeness in response to rudeness? 
Well, like I said, I wasn't actually being serious about that, although admittedly I should have clarified as much in the beginning.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
Scuba_Dog, the quote comes from here (http://CRUD MONKEYS!.yahoo.com/blogs/thefamous/scarlett-johansson-declines-invitation-to-marine-corps-ball-due-to-work-conflict/1802?nc), although it looks like he originally said it to Zap2It (which I don't have the link for, sorry!):

He told Zap2It before learning of Johansson's reply, "If I was told she could not attend, I would understand. I would not believe the invitation would be denied without good cause. With her current career I would imagine Scarlett Johansson is a busy woman."

The full quote here actually reinforces my impression that he wouldn't take "I don't want to" as a good reason.

I guess we are reading it differently because the rest of it just solidifies for me that there is absolutely nothing even remotely close to rudeness in that reply, let alone "extreme" rudeness or entitlement.

It sounds to me like the reply of a person who probably doesn't have someone preparing him for the question ahead of time, and writing out a perfect response for him, so that no one could possibly be offended.  It's off the cuff, and I take it at face value.  It sounds like he's saying that he would understand if she couldn't come because she's a busy woman.  Kind of like he gets it that it's a little crazy that he even asked her to begin with and he's buffering himself for the inevitable reply.


Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 02:30:14 PM
I found it on Zap2it, and it would be nice to read the whole response (it was an email) but they haven't put the whole thing up either.

"Although he hasn't yet received a response from ScarJo, Williams tells Zap2it that if she accepts the invite it would, "truly be an honor not only for me but also my fellow Marines ... Not only does it show their support for our troops, but it also [boosts] the morale of Marines as a whole."

But, adds Williams, he'll understand if she can't make it.

"I would not believe the invitation would be denied without good cause," writes Williams in an e-mail. "With her current career I would imagine Scarlett Johansson is a busy woman ... Nothing ventured, nothing gained."

I don't think he sounds entitled at all.  He gave it a shot, she said no.  No one was rude in the situation.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Surianne on July 29, 2011, 02:33:12 PM
I'm reading it the same way as blahblahblah, and I think the guy comes off extremely rude and entitled.  I'm not a Scarlett Johansson fan at all, but she's now won me over a little for declining (and doing it gracefully).

What is "extremely" rude about his response?  Please explain because I think extreme rudeness really stands out, it's obvious and egregious, it usually overly offensive and hurtful.  Where is that in what he said?

Sure: I think it's extremely rude because he's acting as if her attending with him is the default, like she's required to unless she has a very good reason.  If a friend called me up and said "I'm having a party on Friday, would you like to come?  No worries if you say no, I know you'd only decline if you had a very good reason" implies that declining simply because I don't want to isn't acceptable. 
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 02:36:09 PM
I'm reading it the same way as blahblahblah, and I think the guy comes off extremely rude and entitled.  I'm not a Scarlett Johansson fan at all, but she's now won me over a little for declining (and doing it gracefully).

What is "extremely" rude about his response?  Please explain because I think extreme rudeness really stands out, it's obvious and egregious, it usually overly offensive and hurtful.  Where is that in what he said?

Sure: I think it's extremely rude because he's acting as if her attending with him is the default, like she's required to unless she has a very good reason.  If a friend called me up and said "I'm having a party on Friday, would you like to come?  No worries if you say no, I know you'd only decline if you had a very good reason" implies that declining simply because I don't want to isn't acceptable. 

Lol...  Yeah, we are reading his response WAY differently.   No harm, no foul.  We can't always agree.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Surianne on July 29, 2011, 02:37:47 PM
 ;D  It's funny how much your own experience can influence how two people read the same statement, eh? 
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 02:49:33 PM
;D  It's funny how much your own experience can influence how two people read the same statement, eh? 

Indeed.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Scuba_Dog on July 29, 2011, 04:04:49 PM
I gotta say that took guts. I love a guy who has the guts to just ask.

Way to go Mila! Do it for our country!

Sings: Yeeeeah, let's do it for our Country.
The red white and the blue.
It's Uncle Sam who's asking,
so your mother will approve.
Tomorrow I'll be fighting,
and I'll win this war for you.
Let's do it for our country,
our country wants us to

That song popped into my head as soon as you said "Do it for our country."  ;D

I've always thought she seemed like she'd be a fun person. I think this is pretty cool.

That's too funny, I was singing it, too!  I can see them in the bunker now!
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: ChiGirl on August 21, 2011, 10:39:25 AM
I knew this thread reminded me of something...

Pauline Kael (later became a famous movie critic) was in her early twenties (not famous yet) during WWII.  She had soldiers in uniform following her down the street, trying to guilt her into going out with them by saying things like "I'm giving my life to protect you." **

**source: The Good War, by Studs Terkel.  It's a really great oral history of WWII.

I do feel kind of sorry for Mila.  It's kind of like a guy proposing to his girlfriend by posting it on the scoreboard during the Super Bowl -- the public nature of the question really pressurizes the answer. 

Although, since the Marine in question here was doing it on a bet, I'm guessing he didn't think it would ever get to the point of her feeling "pressured."  When anyone does something like this in the future, though...
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: WillyNilly on August 22, 2011, 12:07:04 PM
I'm offended as an American that a date would be seen as something a person does for their nation, as a sign or patriotism.  Do it for our nation?  Not the nation I'm patriotic to - I want no part of a country where such a request would be tied to nation.  Its a repulsive idea to me - to invoke nationalism as a reason someone should socialize, especially in anyway that could be considered related to romance and sex, which is what a "date" to a dance is.  I would equate forcing, or even just pressuring, young women into such positions something seen in an evil dictatorship not in a democratic republic. 

If Mila - or Justin, or Betty white or Scarlett - wants to accept a date or attend a function like a military (or any other type of) ball they are invited to, great.  But it should in no way shape or form be even hinted at that their patriotism is even remotely at stake when considering attending or not.
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: Winterlight on August 22, 2011, 03:19:28 PM
I'm offended as an American that a date would be seen as something a person does for their nation, as a sign or patriotism.  Do it for our nation?  Not the nation I'm patriotic to - I want no part of a country where such a request would be tied to nation.  Its a repulsive idea to me - to invoke nationalism as a reason someone should socialize, especially in anyway that could be considered related to romance and sex, which is what a "date" to a dance is.  I would equate forcing, or even just pressuring, young women into such positions something seen in an evil dictatorship not in a democratic republic. 

If Mila - or Justin, or Betty white or Scarlett - wants to accept a date or attend a function like a military (or any other type of) ball they are invited to, great.  But it should in no way shape or form be even hinted at that their patriotism is even remotely at stake when considering attending or not.

That's what bothered me about this- Mila was being accused of all sorts of things for the serious crime of not wanting to go on a date with a total stranger who'd asked via Youtube because of a bet. That's not unpatriotic, it's sensible!
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: CuriousGeorge on November 20, 2011, 04:57:22 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/mila-kunis-keeps-promise-marines-date-152327749.html

She went to the ball with him.  I don't know if it was more of a PR move for her or if she's genuinely a sweetheart, but I'm hoping for the second one.  :)
Title: Re: Movie Star to attend Marine Corps Ball
Post by: beakiebean on November 20, 2011, 07:19:54 PM
I gotta say in general I don't think the whole "she wouldn't decline without a good reason" is simply a young man who isn't used to giving out public statements trying to be gracious and tactful and he just fumbled it a bit. I have plenty of "well that didn't come out quite like a meant" moments in my daily life-I can't imagine trying to speak knowing the whole world could be reading/hearing what I said.