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Title: Naming Names
Post by: MrTango on August 02, 2011, 10:03:58 AM
I have a question that I didn't see (maybe I misssed it) in the forum rules:

What is the rule regarding mentioning the exact name of a store/business in a thread?  Is it never allowed, allowed only in certain circumstances (such as when something unique to that business is part of the discussion), or okay across the board?

Thanks in advance for clarification.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: HorseFreak on August 02, 2011, 10:14:47 AM
There is no rule. I believe there have been threads in the past discussing it and many find the cutesy riddles annoying.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Giggity on August 02, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
There's no rule, and I'm one of those who gets a momentary irritation when I have to remember that Bullseye means Target, or Mermaid Coffee means Starbucks.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 02, 2011, 10:29:58 AM
There's no rule, and I'm one of those who gets a momentary irritation when I have to remember that Bullseye means Target, or Mermaid Coffee means Starbucks.

Mermaid Coffee? I'm totally missing something. How is that Starbucks?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Black Delphinium on August 02, 2011, 10:31:59 AM
There's no rule, and I'm one of those who gets a momentary irritation when I have to remember that Bullseye means Target, or Mermaid Coffee means Starbucks.

Mermaid Coffee? I'm totally missing something. How is that Starbucks?
The woman in their logo is a mermaid.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: MrTango on August 02, 2011, 10:33:30 AM
Thanks for the clarification.  :)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 02, 2011, 10:39:26 AM
There's no rule, and I'm one of those who gets a momentary irritation when I have to remember that Bullseye means Target, or Mermaid Coffee means Starbucks.

Mermaid Coffee? I'm totally missing something. How is that Starbucks?
The woman in their logo is a mermaid.

How have I never noticed that?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Black Delphinium on August 02, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
There's no rule, and I'm one of those who gets a momentary irritation when I have to remember that Bullseye means Target, or Mermaid Coffee means Starbucks.

Mermaid Coffee? I'm totally missing something. How is that Starbucks?
The woman in their logo is a mermaid.

How have I never noticed that?
It used to be more noticable:
(http://www.flex-news-food.com/img/starbucks.logo.jpg)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 02, 2011, 10:46:17 AM
Thanks! I would have never been able to tell she was a mermaid in the second logo.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Giggity on August 02, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
To be perfectly honest, my mermaid experience is somewhat limited, but all the mermaids I've ever seen (okay, the Disney one and the one there's the statue of in Copenhagen) have just one tail.

One wonders if Aqua-Starbuck has a forked tail from some weird caffeine mutation.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Wonderflonium on August 02, 2011, 10:49:50 AM
One wonders if Aqua-Starbuck has a forked tail from some weird caffeine mutation.

*snort*
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Luci on August 02, 2011, 10:51:09 AM
To be perfectly honest, my mermaid experience is somewhat limited, but all the mermaids I've ever seen (okay, the Disney one and the one there's the statue of in Copenhagen) have just one tail.

One wonders if Aqua-Starbuck has a forked tail from some weird caffeine mutation.

 :) :D ;D :) :D ;D
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: hardia on August 02, 2011, 03:21:37 PM
I think people do it for a number of reasons: 1) to avoid triggering ads, 2) if they're going to relate a negative experience and don't want to put the store's name in their post and end up accused of libel or something, or 3) to avoid a digression in the thread where posters end up discussing the store instead of the etiquette issue.  My preference is to either use the store's name or keep it generic ("I was at the grocery store" "I was at a big box electronics store") unless the specific store is central to the story, but I understand why people try to be specific -- nearly everyone (in North America) knows what kind of store Target is and what you can generally find there, so it's easier than trying to explain what kind of store you were at, and it sometimes makes your story more interesting if you can include specific details instead of generic.

I don't think there's any stated board policy one way or the other, though.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 02, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
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I think people do it for a number of reasons: 1) to avoid triggering ads,

Here's my (tangential) question, then: Why are people here so vigilant about ads?  The answer is probably obvious, but I can't come up with one that doesn't seem a little odd to me.  I've never seen another message board in which the posters were so concerned about the banner ads. The "L word" has been censored because of ads, and other words--like "boobs" and "sex"--posters censor on their own, with stuff like "bewbs" and "s3x."  I'm sure it has something to do with triggering an ad that offends someone's sensibilities, but can't people just look away?  Not click on an ad that offends them?  And what would be offensive about an ad for Target or Starbucks showing up in a thread that mentions them?  And would the banner ads here really be that offensive--doesn't the site owner have some control over what type of ads can run here?

I'm not angry or anything (although "bewbs" drives me completely insane), just really curious; I've probably given it more thought than it deserves.  (And I'm now afraid that this post will trigger the offensive ad to top all offensive ads.)

Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Shores on August 02, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
To be perfectly honest, my mermaid experience is somewhat limited, but all the mermaids I've ever seen (okay, the Disney one and the one there's the statue of in Copenhagen) have just one tail.

One wonders if Aqua-Starbuck has a forked tail from some weird caffeine mutation.
As a barista, I have to do it. :P

The woman in our logo is not a mermaid. She's actually a depiction of the Norse Siren, a mythical creature that lured ships to their demise with her song. In 16th century Norse depictions, she had two tails. Starbucks uses the Siren for a lot of it's in-house communications. For instance, the planning sheets that spell out merchandise layouts are called "Siren's Eye"s.



Back on topic, I can't stand the cutesy "no naming" and I have to resist the urge to purposely name the store in every thread I see it in. :P
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Fleur-de-Lis on August 02, 2011, 06:38:36 PM
To be perfectly honest, my mermaid experience is somewhat limited, but all the mermaids I've ever seen (okay, the Disney one and the one there's the statue of in Copenhagen) have just one tail.

One wonders if Aqua-Starbuck has a forked tail from some weird caffeine mutation.
As a barista, I have to do it. :P

The woman in our logo is not a mermaid. She's actually a depiction of the Norse Siren, a mythical creature that lured ships to their demise with her song. In 16th century Norse depictions, she had two tails. Starbucks uses the Siren for a lot of it's in-house communications. For instance, the planning sheets that spell out merchandise layouts are called "Siren's Eye"s.


The heraldic term for the beast/creature is a Melusine (differenced from a mermaid by said forked tail). 

I loathe the text-speak and work-arounds if one is going to replace characters instead of words; I follow "green apron coffee" or "orange apron tools" adequately, but I understand the frustration of those who are not immersed in the US culture sufficiently to instantly parse either those or "Ancient Mariner". 

Personally, I think it would be hysterical to format a post which named as many diverse businesses as reasonably possible - but then, I like to mess with search algorithms.   
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Lisbeth on August 02, 2011, 06:43:22 PM
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I think people do it for a number of reasons: 1) to avoid triggering ads,

Here's my (tangential) question, then: Why are people here so vigilant about ads?  The answer is probably obvious, but I can't come up with one that doesn't seem a little odd to me.  I've never seen another message board in which the posters were so concerned about the banner ads. The "L word" has been censored because of ads, and other words--like "boobs" and "sex"--posters censor on their own, with stuff like "bewbs" and "s3x."  I'm sure it has something to do with triggering an ad that offends someone's sensibilities, but can't people just look away?  Not click on an ad that offends them?  And what would be offensive about an ad for Target or Starbucks showing up in a thread that mentions them?  And would the banner ads here really be that offensive--doesn't the site owner have some control over what type of ads can run here?

I'm not angry or anything (although "bewbs" drives me completely insane), just really curious; I've probably given it more thought than it deserves.  (And I'm now afraid that this post will trigger the offensive ad to top all offensive ads.)

Unfortunately, some of the banner ads that pop up are really inappropriate for the forum.  They're of a very vulgar nature or lead to sites that the forum doesn't want to be connected with.  The best way to prevent those ads from popping up is by not using those brand names.

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Shores on August 02, 2011, 07:15:43 PM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: bobsyouruncle on August 02, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
I have to agree with Shores - I've never seen any of the mods say to not post the name of a store - unless you (general) can point out where they have I think it makes a lot more sense to just name names - I've also seen not naming leading to lots of OT speculation about what the store etc is - and I can't see how that helps anyone!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 02, 2011, 08:22:33 PM
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I think people do it for a number of reasons: 1) to avoid triggering ads,

Here's my (tangential) question, then: Why are people here so vigilant about ads?  The answer is probably obvious, but I can't come up with one that doesn't seem a little odd to me.  I've never seen another message board in which the posters were so concerned about the banner ads. The "L word" has been censored because of ads, and other words--like "boobs" and "sex"--posters censor on their own, with stuff like "bewbs" and "s3x."  I'm sure it has something to do with triggering an ad that offends someone's sensibilities, but can't people just look away?  Not click on an ad that offends them?  And what would be offensive about an ad for Target or Starbucks showing up in a thread that mentions them?  And would the banner ads here really be that offensive--doesn't the site owner have some control over what type of ads can run here?

I'm not angry or anything (although "bewbs" drives me completely insane), just really curious; I've probably given it more thought than it deserves.  (And I'm now afraid that this post will trigger the offensive ad to top all offensive ads.)

Unfortunately, some of the banner ads that pop up are really inappropriate for the forum.  They're of a very vulgar nature or lead to sites that the forum doesn't want to be connected with.  The best way to prevent those ads from popping up is by not using those brand names.

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.

I guess I just think it's a little odd for forum members to be so concerned with the ads; if the forum admins don't want the forum to be associated with certain ads, that's another thing.  Indeed it makes sense that an etiquette forum would want to avoid vulgar ads as a courtesy to the members, so I'm actually surprised that there's user-generated advertising here in the first place.  (If that's what the banner ads are.  I know nothing about internet advertising, obviously.)  As a forum member, however, I'd much rather look away from user-generated ads or not click on them than write "bewbs" or "bullseye store."  (Not that I often have a need to write about boobs, either.)

Again, I'm not criticizing, just curious--just explaining why I've found the vigilance about the ads among forum members surprising.  Actually, it's nice in a way that the members are so careful about ad-triggering, though it can be a tad off-putting as well.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: kareng57 on August 02, 2011, 09:28:01 PM
I actually don't think I've seen vulgar banner-ads triggered simply because of the name of a retailer.  I think that they happen a lot more often when people try to be vague......

And I truly don't think that Target, Home Depot, Sears or whoever has the time or resources to monitor hundreds of online forums each day and decide to sue anyone who mentions "the rude woman who cut in front of me at whatever-store!"  But really - unless it's a store-policy issue, does it really matter what particular store it was?  What's wrong with just mentioning "supermarket" "home improvement store" "bath and linens store" etc.?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Brentwood on August 02, 2011, 09:48:07 PM
I think people do it for a number of reasons: 1) to avoid triggering ads,

Not only have I never seen an ad for Target or Home Depot or Nordstrom or whatever triggered by the use of actual retail names, I'm not sure what difference it would make if we DID see one. We get ads anyway. As long as they're not objectionable in nature, why would anyone care?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Brentwood on August 02, 2011, 09:50:08 PM
Oh - also wanted to ad that even in relating negative experiences, I defy anyone at Target to pull every mention of the word "target" from Google to search for random people to sue for libel. ;) Ain't gonna happen.

In most cases, though, I don't see why people don't just say, "I was at the store". In the vast majority of the posts I read, which particular store the poster visited is entirely irrelevant.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: kareng57 on August 02, 2011, 10:02:59 PM
Oh - also wanted to ad that even in relating negative experiences, I defy anyone at Target to pull every mention of the word "target" from Google to search for random people to sue for libel. ;) Ain't gonna happen.

In most cases, though, I don't see why people don't just say, "I was at the store". In the vast majority of the posts I read, which particular store the poster visited is entirely irrelevant.


Overall I agree - though sometimes I think the particular type of store might be relevant.  For example, a customer is at a home-improvement store and decides to wait till he/she is at the cashier to ask whether or not this particular extension cord will work with his lamp, thereby delaying everyone else in line.  Stores such as grocery stores or convenience stores generally don't have this kind of problem, though I will agree that anything is possible...
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Spoder on August 02, 2011, 10:06:33 PM
<snipp> "bewbs" drives me completely insane <snip>

I'm so glad it's rarely used, because I can't even stand to read threads with this word in them. It makes me feel like a scabby-nosed 8-year-old boy sniggering behind the bike-shed.

Surely the term 'chicken breasts' is used in the recipe folder, for example? It's just a word, for goodness' sake.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Scritzy on August 02, 2011, 10:06:51 PM
Oh - also wanted to ad that even in relating negative experiences, I defy anyone at Target to pull every mention of the word "target" from Google to search for random people to sue for libel. ;) Ain't gonna happen.

Since I have said many negative things about WalMart on Facebook and I mean negative I don't think libel is too much of a thing to worry about, either.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: wolfie on August 02, 2011, 10:09:52 PM
Isn't libel saying lies? If you really were treated badly at whatever store then it isn't a lie and isn't libel.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: One Goat to Rule Them All on August 02, 2011, 10:21:49 PM
Just wanted to add that with all the store names (and the word breasts) in this thread, my banner ad was for some lawyers, with a picture of a monkey on it.

I don't think that saying store names is going to make a huge difference. to what banner ad you get, and I don't tend to notice them either. Except when it's the one for that wrap dress, which I really kind of want  ;). I don't understand why a target ad or a subway ad would be questionable. they aren't offensive, and I'm kind of surprised that that's the reason people avoid using store names!

Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: GoldenGemini on August 02, 2011, 10:48:05 PM
As a non-American, it drives me NUTS! Sometimes I can figure it out, most times I spend the whole time trying to work it out and completely forget about the question. It is very distracting.

And the current ad is for underfloor heating, so make of that what you will!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 02, 2011, 11:34:49 PM
<snipp> "bewbs" drives me completely insane <snip>

I'm so glad it's rarely used, because I can't even stand to read threads with this word in them. It makes me feel like a scabby-nosed 8-year-old boy sniggering behind the bike-shed.

Surely the term 'chicken breasts' is used in the recipe folder, for example? It's just a word, for goodness' sake.

Exactly!  It doesn't help that I pronounce it in my head as "byoobs." When I asked once why everyone was using it and was told it was to avoid certain ads, my next questions were "What do I care about the kind of banner ads that display at the top of the page?" and then "This forum has raunchy user-generated ads?!" I didn't ask them out loud until now, though!

I may be weird and this may be wrong to admit, but I never pay attention to ads at all.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: PrincessInPink on August 03, 2011, 12:01:24 AM
I can understand why some people don't want to name stores specifically, but what I don't understand is the reasoning behind making up a cutesy name instead of just saying "a department store" or "a sandwich chain" or whatever. If you have a reason for not naming the store, why drop hints?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Spoder on August 03, 2011, 12:05:36 AM
I can understand why some people don't want to name stores specifically, but what I don't understand is the reasoning behind making up a cutesy name instead of just saying "a department store" or "a sandwich chain" or whatever. If you have a reason for not naming the store, why drop hints?

That's what bugs me, too. Especially when it's something like 'the orange apron store'. I can usually tell from the rest of the post what type of store they're talking about - but it does make for some initial confusion, which could be avoided by just saying 'big hardware store' or whatever.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: PrincessInPink on August 03, 2011, 12:13:22 AM
I can understand why some people don't want to name stores specifically, but what I don't understand is the reasoning behind making up a cutesy name instead of just saying "a department store" or "a sandwich chain" or whatever. If you have a reason for not naming the store, why drop hints?

That's what bugs me, too. Especially when it's something like 'the orange apron store'. I can usually tell from the rest of the post what type of store they're talking about - but it does make for some initial confusion, which could be avoided by just saying 'big hardware store' or whatever.

Exactly. Saying the type of store is much more helpful. Especially since several people in this thread have said that they can't always figure out what the nicknames are referring to.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Luci on August 03, 2011, 01:13:51 AM
I can understand why some people don't want to name stores specifically, but what I don't understand is the reasoning behind making up a cutesy name instead of just saying "a department store" or "a sandwich chain" or whatever. If you have a reason for not naming the store, why drop hints?

That's what bugs me, too. Especially when it's something like 'the orange apron store'. I can usually tell from the rest of the post what type of store they're talking about - but it does make for some initial confusion, which could be avoided by just saying 'big hardware store' or whatever.

Exactly. Saying the type of store is much more helpful. Especially since several people in this thread have said that they can't always figure out what the nicknames are referring to.

I've often had to open a tab to search for the type of store that is being discussed. That doesn't work if the someone is being coy about the name. I'm not familiar with a lot of chains people seem to take for granted.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Lisbeth on August 03, 2011, 11:33:38 AM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.

I don't disagree that the cutesy get-around is distracting and annoying, but I won't argue the issue of what "we'd rather" means.  Let's agree to disagree on that.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: bobsyouruncle on August 03, 2011, 11:34:41 AM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.

No one has to agree with me.  I never suggested anything of the sort.

True, but the way it was worded *did* suggest it was an official policy.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Lisbeth on August 03, 2011, 11:36:48 AM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.

No one has to agree with me.  I never suggested anything of the sort.

True, but the way it was worded *did* suggest it was an official policy.

I just edited my response, so I don't see that this is worth arguing.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: bobsyouruncle on August 03, 2011, 11:39:17 AM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.

No one has to agree with me.  I never suggested anything of the sort.

True, but the way it was worded *did* suggest it was an official policy.

I just edited my response, so I don't see that this is worth arguing.

I wasn't trying to argue, just explain - and how in the world would I have known you had edited your response?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Shoo on August 03, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
I always write out the name of the store, and I also write out the relationship of the people I am writing about.  I don't use DD for daughter, or DH for husband.  It gets kind of ridiculous when talking about step-mother-inlaws, and the like.  I find those abbreviations to be as distracting as using a cutesy name for a store or restaurant.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Lisbeth on August 03, 2011, 11:48:58 AM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.

No one has to agree with me.  I never suggested anything of the sort.

True, but the way it was worded *did* suggest it was an official policy.

I just edited my response, so I don't see that this is worth arguing.

I wasn't trying to argue, just explain - and how in the world would I have known you had edited your response?

You wouldn't-but I still don't see that it's necessary to discuss it, especially in view of the fact that I did edit it.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: bobsyouruncle on August 03, 2011, 11:52:34 AM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.

No one has to agree with me.  I never suggested anything of the sort.

True, but the way it was worded *did* suggest it was an official policy.

I just edited my response, so I don't see that this is worth arguing.

I wasn't trying to argue, just explain - and how in the world would I have known you had edited your response?

You wouldn't-but I still don't see that it's necessary to discuss it, especially in view of the fact that I did edit it.

Lol you're kidding right?  My point was I had no way of knowing you *had* edited your post - I'm cool with not discussing it but as far as I know you don't get to decide how people reply to your posts, and honestly claiming "oh I edited it" just makes you look disingenuous. 
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Shores on August 03, 2011, 12:00:24 PM

Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.
I disagree and believe that your "we'd rather" is actually very person-specific. IMO, using the cutesy get around is actually MORE distracting to the etiquette issue than just saying "While I was at Target." And since we need not fear any salacious Target ads, it's wasted effort to try to avoid them.

No one has to agree with me.  I never suggested anything of the sort.

True, but the way it was worded *did* suggest it was an official policy.

I just edited my response, so I don't see that this is worth arguing.

I wasn't trying to argue, just explain - and how in the world would I have known you had edited your response?

You wouldn't-but I still don't see that it's necessary to discuss it, especially in view of the fact that I did edit it.

Lol you're kidding right?  My point was I had no way of knowing you *had* edited your post - I'm cool with not discussing it but as far as I know you don't get to decide how people reply to your posts, and honestly claiming "oh I edited it" just makes you look disingenuous.

Yeah, I actually feel like discussing it.

Whether it was intentional or not, the wording used did, as a PP stated, give the impression that it was official policy and I think it's important to clarify for any newer poster who are reading and becoming confused: There is no official policy or rule that all store names be obscured. The fear of offensive ads is present (although to even call it a fear is a stretch, IMO) but the average adult knows darn well which words would cause those ads to appear and which do not.

If one feels that posting the name of the store would cause distraction, it's my personal suggestion that the poster then simply say "a hardware store" to avoid the guessing games that "the orange apron store" would create. But again, there is nothing in the rules on this and as neither I not anyone else in this thread, regardless of history or number of posts, is a mod everything posted in this thread from all posters is merely personal thoughts.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Hushabye on August 03, 2011, 12:09:28 PM
Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.

I'm confused as to for whom you are speaking when you say "we'd rather".  Are you speaking for EHellDame, the admins (EHellDame and Ticia), the mods, the senior posters, all the posters?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Hushabye on August 03, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
No, you're not alone!  I only have so much brain power available for each day.  Every time I get caught up in trying to figure out what store is mentioned, I increase my chances of forgetting that I've put dinner on the stove or something.  ;D
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Lisbeth on August 03, 2011, 12:19:22 PM
Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.

I'm confused as to for whom you are speaking when you say "we'd rather".  Are you speaking for EHellDame, the admins (EHellDame and Ticia), the mods, the senior posters, all the posters?

I think I'm speaking for those posters who do engage in the practice.  Just to clarify, I don't like the cutesiness either, but neither do I like some of the ads that pop-up when real names are used.  That's probably true of everyone, but our opinions don't all agree on whether or not real names should be used.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Hushabye on August 03, 2011, 12:24:13 PM
Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.

I'm confused as to for whom you are speaking when you say "we'd rather".  Are you speaking for EHellDame, the admins (EHellDame and Ticia), the mods, the senior posters, all the posters?

I think I'm speaking for those posters who do engage in the practice.  Just to clarify, I don't like the cutesiness either, but neither do I like some of the ads that pop-up when real names are used.  That's probably true of everyone, but our opinions don't all agree on whether or not real names should be used.

Interesting.  It comes across very "Royal We", so I thought I would seek clarification that you meant only a subset of posters felt that way -- I'd prefer to clarify any confusion that other, newer members might experience upon reading such a statement from a poster who has clearly been on the board for some time (simply going from post count).
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Giggity on August 03, 2011, 12:39:20 PM
In most cases, though, I don't see why people don't just say, "I was at the store". In the vast majority of the posts I read, which particular store the poster visited is entirely irrelevant.

In Houston, whether it's a Wal-Mart or a Target is - well, not necessarily relevant, but it adds a level of detail. Targets here are clean, well-lit, well-stocked, and pleasant to be in. Wal-Marts are not.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Giggity on August 03, 2011, 12:40:23 PM
And the current ad is for underfloor heating, so make of that what you will!

Underfloor heating? I am SCANDALIZED!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Hushabye on August 03, 2011, 12:46:42 PM
And the current ad is for underfloor heating, so make of that what you will!

Underfloor heating? I am SCANDALIZED!!!!  ;D

ROFL!

I'm currently being exhorted to buy acne cream and contact a lawyer.  Perhaps it means I should sue my dermatologist...
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Shiraz_Much? on August 03, 2011, 01:15:39 PM
Besides, doesn't each individual person get a different ad? Just because Person A gets an ad that is "inappropriate"  doesn't mean that Person B will.
FWIW- on this thread (even with all the boob talk) I have seen ads for a coffee shop and an art institute. Hardly shocking.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Brentwood on August 03, 2011, 01:50:35 PM
Isn't libel saying lies? If you really were treated badly at whatever store then it isn't a lie and isn't libel.

Correct.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Brentwood on August 03, 2011, 01:58:22 PM
In most cases, though, I don't see why people don't just say, "I was at the store". In the vast majority of the posts I read, which particular store the poster visited is entirely irrelevant.

In Houston, whether it's a Wal-Mart or a Target is - well, not necessarily relevant, but it adds a level of detail. Targets here are clean, well-lit, well-stocked, and pleasant to be in. Wal-Marts are not.

Well, you won't hear me complaining if anyone names the store. The only thing I'm against is twee, cutesy faux names. But I do think people sometimes go out of their way to name a store when it ultimately makes no difference to the story.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: One Goat to Rule Them All on August 03, 2011, 03:07:45 PM
Besides, doesn't each individual person get a different ad? Just because Person A gets an ad that is "inappropriate"  doesn't mean that Person B will.
FWIW- on this thread (even with all the boob talk) I have seen ads for a coffee shop and an art institute. Hardly shocking.

I think that's probably the case. I doubt the Americans are going to get the "University of Canada West" ad that I just got reading this thread. Plus, I clicked on the "wrap dress" ad once and now I get it really frequently.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Bibliophile on August 03, 2011, 03:36:48 PM
Also, since this forum isn't there for promotion of products and services, or even to rate them, we'd rather not get more specific because that can be distracting from the real focus, which is the etiquette of a situation.

I'm confused as to for whom you are speaking when you say "we'd rather".  Are you speaking for EHellDame, the admins (EHellDame and Ticia), the mods, the senior posters, all the posters?

I think I'm speaking for those posters who do engage in the practice.  Just to clarify, I don't like the cutesiness either, but neither do I like some of the ads that pop-up when real names are used.  That's probably true of everyone, but our opinions don't all agree on whether or not real names should be used.

I rarely notice the ads at the top of the page - it's usually just one and easily ignored. 
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on August 03, 2011, 04:05:59 PM
*Ahem*

I know this is a Hot Topic, but to the posters who say that the cutesy store names are annoying, and we should use the real names or none at all, I say you are right on Target.  If there's one thing we can all agree on, whether we are separated by Gulfs or shallows, whether we are experiencing highs or Lowes, it's that we all strive for better communication.  The idea that Sears into my brain is that we should be able to talk freely... and no, I don't mean using blue words like some Old Navy person... I mean if we want to name the fast food joint where we got our Frys, then by golly, we should be able to... because that helps us bridge the Gap of understanding, and ensure that we don't come off like a bunch of wingadingdingies.

(Letting the auto-censor handle that last one, hehe.)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Bibliophile on August 03, 2011, 04:11:07 PM
*Ahem*

I know this is a Hot Topic, but to the posters who say that the cutesy store names are annoying, and we should use the real names or none at all, I say you are right on Target.  If there's one thing we can all agree on, whether we are separated by Gulfs or shallows, whether we are experiencing highs or Lowes, it's that we all strive for better communication.  The idea that Sears into my brain is that we should be able to talk freely... and no, I don't mean using blue words like some Old Navy person... I mean if we want to name the fast food joint where we got our Frys, then by golly, we should be able to... because that helps us bridge the Gap of understanding, and ensure that we don't come off like a bunch of wingadingdingies.

(Letting the auto-censor handle that last one, hehe.)

I love you :)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: CakeBeret on August 03, 2011, 04:13:50 PM
ensure that we don't come off like a bunch of wingadingdingies.

The 12-year-old in me never ceases to be amused by the wingadingdingies autocorrect.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 03, 2011, 04:36:37 PM
I rarely notice the ads at the top of the page - it's usually just one and easily ignored.

Yeah, that's what I said--I never pay attention to the ads, and thus am curious about the hyper-vigilance about them among forum members. I just looked; mine is about some small-business software, and I'm the one who's said 'boobs' a number of times (as well as 'sex'). Many store names have been used in this thread.

Has anyone ever seen a really vulgar ad on this site?  If so, would you really rather use silly names and text-speak--or just avoid clicking on it before it inevitably changes?  And would it really bother you to see an ad for, say, Home Depot because somebody mentioned it in a thread?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: chamoisbear on August 03, 2011, 07:23:53 PM
I don't know about any of your computers, but the ads that I get seem to be connected to the "cookies" on my computer.  For instance, last week my hubby emailed me about a bean bag chair that he wanted.  I went to look at the web site, and the next time my screen refreshed on ehell, the ad at the top of the page was for that bean bag chair web site, which had nothing to do with anything discussed here.  I've noticed it quite a bit that my ads are for web sites that I've visited recently.  It might not have much to do with key words at all.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: wyozozo on August 03, 2011, 08:20:40 PM
I don't know about any of your computers, but the ads that I get seem to be connected to the "cookies" on my computer.  For instance, last week my hubby emailed me about a bean bag chair that he wanted.  I went to look at the web site, and the next time my screen refreshed on ehell, the ad at the top of the page was for that bean bag chair web site, which had nothing to do with anything discussed here.  I've noticed it quite a bit that my ads are for web sites that I've visited recently.  It might not have much to do with key words at all.
Mine too! I keep getting ads for the lamp I recently bought!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: tnpenguinbaby on August 03, 2011, 08:24:05 PM
Yep!  I'm getting ads for 'big girl bras' and table covers, 2 things for which I recently searched.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Hushabye on August 03, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
That's awkward, then, as I haven't searched for "divorce lawyers" anytime recently... or ever...   :P   ;D
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 03, 2011, 09:06:06 PM
That's awkward, then, as I haven't searched for "divorce lawyers" anytime recently... or ever...   :P   ;D

Since I've actively looked at the banner today, I've seen ads for small-business software, invitations, and wedding favors--none of which I've ever searched for.  So I wouldn't accuse your husband of anything yet (if you have one). ;)

Still, it looks like words such as "sex" and the like do not trigger ads for porn.  Does that mean it's an urban legend?  Have the forum members been living in fear of unleashing advertising vulgarity upon their fellow members for nothing?  I've seen people coming up with cute nicknames, and "b00bs" and "s*x" and the like, since I starting lurking here a few years ago.  Is it all for naught?  I hope so, because, personally, it always struck me as kind of excessively prudish and, as others have said, annoyingly cutesy.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: blue2000 on August 03, 2011, 09:32:09 PM
We used to get some VERY awful, vulgar ads. Thus the caution about words that might trigger them (they don't always, just sometimes). It has been better since the forum started censoring certain words.

I don't think the store names have anything to do with it, though.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: GoldenGemini on August 03, 2011, 10:08:24 PM
And the current ad is for underfloor heating, so make of that what you will!

Underfloor heating? I am SCANDALIZED!!!!  ;D

It is a scandalous ad. The feet (you don't see the rest of them) take their socks off!!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 03, 2011, 11:54:10 PM
We used to get some VERY awful, vulgar ads. Thus the caution about words that might trigger them (they don't always, just sometimes). It has been better since the forum started censoring certain words.

I don't think the store names have anything to do with it, though.

Ah.  Perhaps something changed since then, because even with my last keyword-heavy post, all I'm getting are ads for wedding stuff and candy bars. 
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Scritzy on August 04, 2011, 01:51:04 AM
We used to get some VERY awful, vulgar ads. Thus the caution about words that might trigger them (they don't always, just sometimes). It has been better since the forum started censoring certain words.

I don't think the store names have anything to do with it, though.

Ah.  Perhaps something changed since then, because even with my last keyword-heavy post, all I'm getting are ads for wedding stuff and candy bars.

Store names, no. Just certain words that are now filtered triggered the vulgar ads.

I often click on the banner ads because some of them interest me. I get plenty of wedding-related sites plus "get your degree online" sites as well as I/T sites.

However, I do find it easy to type WMart instead of WalMart. I hope that is accpetable. And I've quit referring to one of my favorite clothing stores as Dress Farm Outbuilding. ;)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Miss Vertigo on August 04, 2011, 02:21:08 AM
As a non-American, it drives me NUTS! Sometimes I can figure it out, most times I spend the whole time trying to work it out and completely forget about the question. It is very distracting.

This, from another non-American; it's massively distracting.


Unfortunately, some of the banner ads that pop up are really inappropriate for the forum.  They're of a very vulgar nature or lead to sites that the forum doesn't want to be connected with.  The best way to prevent those ads from popping up is by not using those brand names.


Then it really should be the responsibility of the forum operators to find a more appropriate advertising solution, rather than passing the buck on to the membership.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 04, 2011, 03:21:17 AM
We used to get some VERY awful, vulgar ads. Thus the caution about words that might trigger them (they don't always, just sometimes). It has been better since the forum started censoring certain words.

I don't think the store names have anything to do with it, though.

Ah.  Perhaps something changed since then, because even with my last keyword-heavy post, all I'm getting are ads for wedding stuff and candy bars.

Store names, no. Just certain words that are now filtered triggered the vulgar ads.


Yeah--I sort of went on my own tangent in this thread, referring not to store names, but specifically to three words I've seen many posters censor themselves here.  They're not in the forum filter, yet I've been told posters censor them to avoid triggering offensive ads.  I've used all three in this thread, and I haven't seen any remotely offensive ads. 

I don't doubt posters used to trigger vulgar ads, but I'm wondering if something has now changed.  At any rate, I've just always been curious about this aspect of the forum culture; I've never been to a forum where the ads weren't pretty well under the control of the admins, and where the posters didn't give them much thought.

Then it really should be the responsibility of the forum operators to find a more appropriate advertising solution, rather than passing the buck on to the membership.

Aaaand, that's what I was hinting at in earlier posts.  When I said I couldn't think of a reason for the massive concern about ads that wasn't also sort of odd, that's what I meant.  I don't want to criticize; I know nothing about internet advertising.  I'm just kind of mystified.  If a word or name isn't in the forum filter, can't I use it without self-censoring and being told I'll trigger bad ads?
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: blue2000 on August 04, 2011, 05:47:00 AM
The admins can't ban every halfway offensive ad that comes up (that is a lot of ads!) thus the self-censoring. If you wish to use something that isn't a filtered word, though, you can. There is no official rule against it. It is just a habit some of us have.

Kind of like drawing the blinds so you don't get a shot of your neighbour greeting the day in his birthday suit. :-X :-X :P Some people have better-looking neighbours than others! ;D
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Lisbeth on August 04, 2011, 09:07:39 AM
As a non-American, it drives me NUTS! Sometimes I can figure it out, most times I spend the whole time trying to work it out and completely forget about the question. It is very distracting.

This, from another non-American; it's massively distracting.


Unfortunately, some of the banner ads that pop up are really inappropriate for the forum.  They're of a very vulgar nature or lead to sites that the forum doesn't want to be connected with.  The best way to prevent those ads from popping up is by not using those brand names.


Then it really should be the responsibility of the forum operators to find a more appropriate advertising solution, rather than passing the buck on to the membership.

I think that this is not going to happen.  I think it's a function of SMF, the forum platform.  And it probably would happen regardless of what platform was used to run the forum.  Before the forum was located here, there were some problems with ads on the previous platforms as well.

Also, bear in mind that the moderators do want this forum to be as self-policed by the members as much as possible.  That's why some people self-censor-even if it's in a cutesy, distracting way.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Mad Goat Woman on August 04, 2011, 09:39:50 AM
As a non-American, it drives me NUTS! Sometimes I can figure it out, most times I spend the whole time trying to work it out and completely forget about the question. It is very distracting.

This, from another non-American; it's massively distracting.


Unfortunately, some of the banner ads that pop up are really inappropriate for the forum.  They're of a very vulgar nature or lead to sites that the forum doesn't want to be connected with.  The best way to prevent those ads from popping up is by not using those brand names.


Then it really should be the responsibility of the forum operators to find a more appropriate advertising solution, rather than passing the buck on to the membership.

I think that this is not going to happen.  I think it's a function of SMF, the forum platform.  And it probably would happen regardless of what platform was used to run the forum.  Before the forum was located here, there were some problems with ads on the previous platforms as well.

Also, bear in mind that the moderators do want this forum to be as self-policed by the members as much as possible.  That's why some people self-censor-even if it's in a cutesy, distracting way.

What Lisbeth said about forum platforms is true: on Invisionfree, for instance, there are ridiculous ads such as cartoon-like dolls advertising a site that seems to be more like a...(I'm trying to think of a creative way to state this) house of ill-repute. As an administrator at such forums, there are options such as paying the company to remove the offending advertisments, but as the Dame has said, the ads here pay for the hosting and upkeep.

Thanks to this board, however, I am fairly well-versed in American retailers, and I can understand about ninety percent of the cutesy names that posters choose to use when attempting to avoid naming names. FTR, I'm an Aussie.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Bibliophile on August 04, 2011, 09:45:24 AM
As a non-American, it drives me NUTS! Sometimes I can figure it out, most times I spend the whole time trying to work it out and completely forget about the question. It is very distracting.

This, from another non-American; it's massively distracting.


Unfortunately, some of the banner ads that pop up are really inappropriate for the forum.  They're of a very vulgar nature or lead to sites that the forum doesn't want to be connected with.  The best way to prevent those ads from popping up is by not using those brand names.


Then it really should be the responsibility of the forum operators to find a more appropriate advertising solution, rather than passing the buck on to the membership.

I think that this is not going to happen.  I think it's a function of SMF, the forum platform.  And it probably would happen regardless of what platform was used to run the forum.  Before the forum was located here, there were some problems with ads on the previous platforms as well.

Also, bear in mind that the moderators do want this forum to be as self-policed by the members as much as possible.  That's why some people self-censor-even if it's in a cutesy, distracting way.

If an ad is inappropriate you screen shot & let a mod know.  They then fix it so that ad will no longer be allowed.  They've done it in the past with political ads, etc.  It seems to be a common thing.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: CakeBeret on August 04, 2011, 09:47:51 AM
And the current ad is for underfloor heating, so make of that what you will!

Underfloor heating? I am SCANDALIZED!!!!  ;D

It is a scandalous ad. The feet (you don't see the rest of them) take their socks off!!

SURELY NOT! Oh, my sensibilities have been mortally offended!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Poirot on August 04, 2011, 09:58:57 AM
Tee Hee  ;D ;D ;D

My banner ad just changed to a podiatrist! Warm Feet don't fail me now!

Let's not start discussing warming toilet seats!  :)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: blue2000 on August 04, 2011, 11:26:24 AM
Aaand I just got a Home Depot ad. Perfect. ;D
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: #borecore on August 04, 2011, 11:30:38 AM
Aaaaand ... thanks to this thread being all about ads, I'm getting ads for cheap advertising!


Ad(d) me to the dogpile of people who are familiar (reasonably so) with retailers but don't appreciate having to suss it out each time. I find it distracting from the original intent of the thread, which is usually not the specific details of that store/restaurant/attraction.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Akarui Kibuno on August 04, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
I use Adsense on my blogs. I recently noticed "weird" ads. I posted a message to apologize for those, and that's when I realized that I could block "sensitive" ads (ones dealing with online d@ting, religion, politics, sex, things like that) . Imagine my glee when I blocked some of those things and went back to the blog to see the "bad" ads gone :P ...
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 04, 2011, 12:39:33 PM
^ Yeah, and I assumed admins could do that here, too.  If not, that's fine, but it looks like the self-censoring is kind of pointless when the most objectionable ad I've seen here was for WalMart.  ;)

I've never seen an ad for a "house of ill repute" anywhere; how funny!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Brentwood on August 04, 2011, 02:34:34 PM

However, I do find it easy to type WMart instead of WalMart. I hope that is accpetable.

That's shorthand, not being cutesy. ;)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Scritzy on August 04, 2011, 08:50:24 PM

However, I do find it easy to type WMart instead of WalMart. I hope that is accpetable.

That's shorthand, not being cutesy. ;)

;D
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: nolechica on August 06, 2011, 06:15:31 AM
It's distracting to me to disguise anything, not just store names because I spend half the politics/religion threads trying to guess correctly before giving my advice.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: sempronialou on August 06, 2011, 07:24:30 PM
I'm not sure about other browsers, but with Safari, I installed an extension that show you who is tracking you while browsing.  The extension is called Ghostery for anyone who wants to know.  In other words, those annoying ad banners are gone.  I get a little bubble that pops up for a few seconds telling me what company it is (you can turn that off too) and then it goes away.  I can surf the web without seeing a single ad banner.  I'm sure other browsers have something similar if people are so concerned about ad banners popping up. 

I do wish people would just use the real name.  I feel like one is not fooling people if one says, "I was at the national chain coffee shop that rhymes with barbucks...."  Just come out and say what it is.  Now if I tell you a name of a local store that's just around here, it might out me if I'm trying to not put too much identifying information about myself.  In that case I'd say, "I was at the local hardware store....." without giving away anything more than I need to. 
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Eisa on August 08, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
I hate the cutesy nicknames. I live in Idaho. Nowhereville, Idaho. We don't have most store chains. I have no idea what you are referring to.

And am I the only one who uses adblock? :P
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: MrTango on August 08, 2011, 02:20:43 PM
I hate the cutesy nicknames. I live in Idaho. Nowhereville, Idaho. We don't have most store chains. I have no idea what you are referring to.

And am I the only one who uses adblock? :P

I use adblock on my home PC, but at work it's not an option.  I have disabled Flash on my work PC, which eliminates video and audio ads.

The entire concept of Adblock might be an interesting discussion topic (the debate of depriving site owners of revenue vs. the right of a PC owner to decide what is displayed on their machine)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ligeia on August 08, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
And am I the only one who uses adblock? :P

I was wondering the same thing, but haven't brought it up because I thought it might be a forbidden topic or something.  Before I started reading the site on my phone, I hadn't seen an online ad in years--which made the worry about the ads here especially confusing.  On my phone, however, I have no such program, so I've been noticing the ads lately; they've all been totally innocuous no matter what I or anyone else posts (and they're totally irrelevant to me--a lot of wedding-related stuff at the moment, and since my wedding was years ago, I'm not interested).
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Eisa on August 08, 2011, 06:30:46 PM
And am I the only one who uses adblock? :P

I was wondering the same thing, but haven't brought it up because I thought it might be a forbidden topic or something.  Before I started reading the site on my phone, I hadn't seen an online ad in years--which made the worry about the ads here especially confusing.  On my phone, however, I have no such program, so I've been noticing the ads lately; they've all been totally innocuous no matter what I or anyone else posts (and they're totally irrelevant to me--a lot of wedding-related stuff at the moment, and since my wedding was years ago, I'm not interested).

Every time I allow ads, I get a virus from somewhere. No more ads. But when I've seen them before [I've gone through 2 computers in the past six months...lots of replacing things ::) ], they've all been innocuous from Ehell. Not raunchy at all. ???
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: lmyrs on August 19, 2011, 02:33:52 PM
I think people do it for a number of reasons: 1) to avoid triggering ads, 2) if they're going to relate a negative experience and don't want to put the store's name in their post and end up accused of libel or something, or 3) to avoid a digression in the thread where posters end up discussing the store instead of the etiquette issue.  My preference is to either use the store's name or keep it generic ("I was at the grocery store" "I was at a big box electronics store") unless the specific store is central to the story, but I understand why people try to be specific -- nearly everyone (in North America) knows what kind of store Target is and what you can generally find there, so it's easier than trying to explain what kind of store you were at, and it sometimes makes your story more interesting if you can include specific details instead of generic.

I don't think there's any stated board policy one way or the other, though.

I understand what Hardia is saying here and I also understand most of the other posters in this thread, but I do have a couple of things:

1. The original question in this post was specifically about retailers, so while it is interesting to hear about why some people self-censor certain words, it's not really the same question as self-censor on retailers' names. So, I think "we're trying to avoid inappropriate ads" is kind of a silly reason to disguise a retailer's name. I mean an ad is an ad, they're all selling something. Is it really more appropriate to show an ad for an online school than for Home Depot?

2. I think the libel thing has been addressed by others, but in my own opinion, it's sort of a non-issue for two reasons: (a) Wal-Mart or Target or McDonald's or whoever has about a 0.000000001% chance of ever even finding this thread unless someone points it out to them and (b) all of the American judge shows that I watch assure me that telling the truth is an absolute defense against slander/libel.

3. I think that using cutesy names derails the thread more than not using them. Because if you are using the cutesy name, half of the people are going to be trying to figure out what store you meant and a lot of us non-Americans never figure it out and end up distracted from the thread trying to figure it out. And if you're using "BullsEye Store" because you're worried that if you write "Target" it will derail, well, why wouldn't you just write "Department Store" or whatever.

The bottom line for me is this: If the author of the post wants the readers to know which store they are talking about, they should name the store. If they don't want readers to know which store, they should use the generic "Hardware Store" or "Grocery Store". Because some of your readers will know that "BullsEye" means "Target" and some of your readers won't know. So, you're not meeting your goal of either identifying or hiding the identity of the store.

Hardia, I also want to say very clearly that I am not picking on your post. I just went back and found your post from the beginning of the thread because I think you did an excellent job of clearly outlining the major reasons why most people in this thread are self-censoring themselves and I liked how you did it and it made it easier for me to formulate my response to the thread.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: hardia on August 20, 2011, 09:31:04 AM
Oh, no that's fine (and thanks for the compliment!).  I don't necessarily agree with any of those three reasons, they're just the ones I have seen people mention, or that I've seen mentioned on other boards when similar discussions come up.  As I said, like you, I'm in favour of either naming the specific store, if it's a detail that makes a difference in the story, or using a generic "grocery store" "big box electronics store" if it doesn't matter and for whatever reason the poster wants to obscure identifying details.  I don't get too fussed about people doing it other ways, but I do find the cutesy names or convoluted analogies do make the posts harder to follow sometime.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ehelldame on September 02, 2011, 10:29:59 AM
The ads are how we stay in business, and if people block them, we can't afford the hosting of the forum, please don't block the ads, or announce that you are blocking the ads.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Scritzy on September 02, 2011, 01:34:09 PM
I've found some great shopping on some of the ads I've clicked. And even if it's something I can't afford, it's fun to look and even to bookmark!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: SiotehCat on September 02, 2011, 01:37:13 PM
I don't know if its different for other people, but the ads really arent that big for me. They are long but skinny.

Also, most of my ads are for companies that I already do business with. I bought some things at the Under Armour store, and now I get UA ads.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ticia on September 02, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
I have a Chili's ad right now. Mmmmm. Now I'm hungry.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Brentwood on September 02, 2011, 06:59:55 PM
I have a Chili's ad right now. Mmmmm. Now I'm hungry.

My ad is for Carrington College. Are they trying to tell me something? ;)
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Lisbeth on September 02, 2011, 07:16:40 PM
I have an ad for ESPN New York.com.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: dawbs on September 02, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
*snip*

2. I think the libel thing has been addressed by others, but in my own opinion, it's sort of a non-issue for two reasons: (a) Wal-Mart or Target or McDonald's or whoever has about a 0.000000001% chance of ever even finding this thread unless someone points it out to them and (b) all of the American judge shows that I watch assure me that telling the truth is an absolute defense against slander/libel.
*snip*

Am I the only person who has named a company on the world-wide-inerwebs, somewhere on a message board, and then had a representative of that company create a handle in order to defend themselves/derail the discussion (and, IMO, be truly obnoxious and call me a liar)?

I don't think it's far-fetched to think that some of that could indeed follow people here. 
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: MariaE on September 03, 2011, 01:55:17 AM
EHellDame, do you have any say on which ads are shown in other countries? I'm in Denmark, and get some really, really disturbing ads for the Danish version of PETA :(
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on September 03, 2011, 01:59:39 AM
*snip*

2. I think the libel thing has been addressed by others, but in my own opinion, it's sort of a non-issue for two reasons: (a) Wal-Mart or Target or McDonald's or whoever has about a 0.000000001% chance of ever even finding this thread unless someone points it out to them and (b) all of the American judge shows that I watch assure me that telling the truth is an absolute defense against slander/libel.
*snip*

Let's face it though, a corporate troll coming here would be a hilariously bad idea for them.

Am I the only person who has named a company on the world-wide-inerwebs, somewhere on a message board, and then had a representative of that company create a handle in order to defend themselves/derail the discussion (and, IMO, be truly obnoxious and call me a liar)?

I don't think it's far-fetched to think that some of that could indeed follow people here.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Ehelldame on September 03, 2011, 05:27:07 AM
EHellDame, do you have any say on which ads are shown in other countries? I'm in Denmark, and get some really, really disturbing ads for the Danish version of PETA :(

I can block any ad I want BUT I need the URL of the business the ad is directing people to.   Like  www.denmarkPETAdotcom for example. 
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: Diane AKA Traska on September 03, 2011, 06:49:46 AM
EHellDame, do you have any say on which ads are shown in other countries? I'm in Denmark, and get some really, really disturbing ads for the Danish version of PETA :(

I can block any ad I want BUT I need the URL of the business the ad is directing people to.   Like  www.denmarkPETAdotcom for example.

I did not know this could be done.  That.  Is.  COOL.
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: MariaE on September 15, 2011, 01:38:42 AM
EHellDame, do you have any say on which ads are shown in other countries? I'm in Denmark, and get some really, really disturbing ads for the Danish version of PETA :(

I can block any ad I want BUT I need the URL of the business the ad is directing people to.   Like  www.denmarkPETAdotcom for example.

Apparently, I just needed to complain as I haven't seen it since :) But good to know that something can be done about it if I do. Thanks!
Title: Re: Naming Names
Post by: aventurine on September 17, 2011, 03:22:12 PM
EHellDame, do you have any say on which ads are shown in other countries? I'm in Denmark, and get some really, really disturbing ads for the Danish version of PETA :(

I can block any ad I want BUT I need the URL of the business the ad is directing people to.   Like  www.denmarkPETAdotcom for example.

Apparently, I just needed to complain as I haven't seen it since :) But good to know that something can be done about it if I do. Thanks!

Heh, last night I whined in the "drives you crazy" thread about the insurance ad with the woman doing flips, and I haven't seen that one since, either.