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When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« on: December 31, 2006, 04:32:50 PM »
For once, it's not my issue. My friend Tammy was telling me about her situation and it seemed like a good topic for the board. I think it might be an etiquette issue on one level, but it's also wierd on a different level.

Tammy has a neighbor named Cheryl who has two kids the same age as Tammy's. (15 year old son and 9 year old daughter). Also, Cheryl's husband and Tammy's are both into the same sort of things. (watching football, golf, electronics). Tammy noticed shortly after Cheryl and her family moved in next door, that suddenly everything Tammy's family had or got, Cheryl started aquiring for her family. Examples: Tammy bought her daughter heelies-two weeks later, Cheryl's daughter got heelies. Tammy bought the kids some name brand 'in style' jackets. The next day, Cheryl bought them for her kids. Tammy said a few days ago she ran into Cheryl at a store while she was buying her son an ipod for his birthday. Cheryl asked who it was for so Tammy said it was for her son's birthday. Cheryl then got the salesperson to open the case again and got one as well for her son, telling Tammy, "not to worry, she wouldn't give her son the ipod until after Tammy's son got his." ???

Tammy says this has carried over to grades as well. Every time report cards come out, Cheryl makes an excuse to come over and starts fishing for what Tammy's kids made. Tammy says her whole face seems to light up if one of hers makes better on something than Tammy's. Cheryl was even caught leafing through some graded papers Tammy's son left sitting on the computer desk one day.

If Tammy's husband gets a new electronic gadget, Cheryl's husband gets on too, usually because Cheryl went out and bought it. If Tammy's husbands gets tickets to a game, Cheryl tries to get them for her husband too, only better seats. Tammy's husband gets a new golf club, Cheryl buys her husband two.

Tammy said she repainted her son's room recently and put down new carpet. Cheryl took one look at his room and the next week her son's room was repainted, new carpet and new furniture. Tammy bought new living room furniture a few months ago, and Cheryl went out and bought the SAME furniture. (with a few extra pieces, of course)

Tammy got diamond earrings for Christmas this year. When Cheryl asked what she got and Tammy showed her, Cheryl looked directly at her husband and said she wanted some but her's had better be a carat larger. Right in front of Tammy! Tammy's family went and adopted a puppy from the pound. Cheryl went out and bought a purebred pup. Tammy says the last three trips they've taken, no little than a week later, Cheryl's family has gone to the same place, but of course stayed in more expensive hotels, ate at better restaurants, etc.

This has gone on for a while and applies to every single thing Tammy and her family has bought or anywhere they've went. Every single thing. Of course, Tammy got wise to Cheryl and does everything she can to avoid telling Cheryl anything, but the kids all like each other and play together, the two husbands get along fairly well and talk 'over the fence' often, and Tammy says she's gotten where she hates to go outside because Cheryl seems to be lying in wait for her and is very pushy about asking questions. She practically runs to her car. And she says now it seems like she's got the kids asking questions for her.

Tammy doesn't want to be ugly to Cheryl because 1)they are neighbors and have to live by them 2) the kids are friends and 3) the whole thing seems sort of petty when you tell it to others and makes Tammy look like the bad guy. But really, she says the whole thing is starting to creep her out. She said she felt like taking out a restraining order when Cheryl showed up in the gourmet cooking class she's taking last night. She says she doesn't want to be in 'competition' with Cheryl, but Cheryl doesn't seem to be willing to accept that Tammy isn't playing.

So, how far is this sort of behavior just 'silly' and when does it become offensive? And what do you do about it if you DON'T want to be nasty to someone?

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2006, 04:48:04 PM »
Tammy doesn't look like the bad guy - Cheryl looks pathetic. I don't know what Tammy can do, because Cheryl is pathetic not criminal. If it was just the adults it would be easier - just never let the Jones in the house.

Maybe Tammy could convince Cheryl that Tammy's family is moving to newer ritzier neighborhood and Cheryl could "beat her to the bunch". Then Tammy would be rid of her.

In the real world Tammy can't do much other than deal as little with Cheryl as possible.

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2006, 04:52:43 PM »
I think all Tammy can do is just try to limit her time with Cheryl and remember that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2006, 04:53:23 PM »
There's a difference between "keeping up with the Joneses" (conspicuous consumerism to convey an impression of wealth) and attaching oneself to someone else with the intent of imitating everything they do.

Cheryl sounds like a sad and insecure person.

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2006, 04:54:46 PM »
Tammy should have some fun with this. She should rent a fully loaded Jaguar and keep it until Cheryl goes out and buys one. Then she should start leaving brochures for expensive European vacations lying around until Cheryl books one for her family. After that, Tammy should start bragging about the Arabian horses she's buying for her kids and the exclusive prep school she's enrolling them in.....you get the idea. With any luck at all, she'll drive Cheryl into bankruptcy, and she'll have to sell her house and move.  ;)

Seriously, this woman is kind of pathetic. How sad is it to never have a single original idea of your own? Maybe Tammy could turn the tables on her a bit by asking her what she thinks, or beating her to the punch. "I can't decide which dish I want to make. Cheryl, what are you making?" "I can't decide what to get my DD for her birthday. What are you getting yours?" "We're trying to pick a vacation spot for next year. What do you reccommend?" Might be enough to prove to Cheryl that she can make her own decisions, or at least it will annoy her enough that she'll leave Tammy alone.
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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2006, 04:58:25 PM »
Can Tammy say things to Cheryl like "Cheryl, how do you manage to turn up everywhere I'm at? I'm really starting to wonder if you are stalking me?!?" just loud enough for those nearby to hear it? I think that she needs to be called on her behavior in public. Maybe embarassement is enough to keep her away a bit. I personally would have called Cheryl on her behavior a long time ago. She sounds like her elevator isn't stopping on all floors. Tammy shouldn't feel bad so that Cheryl can feel good. Keep us posted.

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2006, 05:51:49 PM »
For once, it's not my issue. My friend Tammy was telling me about her situation and it seemed like a good topic for the board. I think it might be an etiquette issue on one level, but it's also wierd on a different level.

Tammy has a neighbor named Cheryl who has two kids the same age as Tammy's. (15 year old son and 9 year old daughter). Also, Cheryl's husband and Tammy's are both into the same sort of things. (watching football, golf, electronics). Tammy noticed shortly after Cheryl and her family moved in next door, that suddenly everything Tammy's family had or got, Cheryl started aquiring for her family. Examples: Tammy bought her daughter heelies-two weeks later, Cheryl's daughter got heelies. Tammy bought the kids some name brand 'in style' jackets. The next day, Cheryl bought them for her kids. Tammy said a few days ago she ran into Cheryl at a store while she was buying her son an ipod for his birthday. Cheryl asked who it was for so Tammy said it was for her son's birthday. Cheryl then got the salesperson to open the case again and got one as well for her son, telling Tammy, "not to worry, she wouldn't give her son the ipod until after Tammy's son got his." ???

Tammy says this has carried over to grades as well. Every time report cards come out, Cheryl makes an excuse to come over and starts fishing for what Tammy's kids made. Tammy says her whole face seems to light up if one of hers makes better on something than Tammy's. Cheryl was even caught leafing through some graded papers Tammy's son left sitting on the computer desk one day.

If Tammy's husband gets a new electronic gadget, Cheryl's husband gets on too, usually because Cheryl went out and bought it. If Tammy's husbands gets tickets to a game, Cheryl tries to get them for her husband too, only better seats. Tammy's husband gets a new golf club, Cheryl buys her husband two.

Tammy said she repainted her son's room recently and put down new carpet. Cheryl took one look at his room and the next week her son's room was repainted, new carpet and new furniture. Tammy bought new living room furniture a few months ago, and Cheryl went out and bought the SAME furniture. (with a few extra pieces, of course)

Tammy got diamond earrings for Christmas this year. When Cheryl asked what she got and Tammy showed her, Cheryl looked directly at her husband and said she wanted some but her's had better be a carat larger. Right in front of Tammy! Tammy's family went and adopted a puppy from the pound. Cheryl went out and bought a purebred pup. Tammy says the last three trips they've taken, no little than a week later, Cheryl's family has gone to the same place, but of course stayed in more expensive hotels, ate at better restaurants, etc.

This has gone on for a while and applies to every single thing Tammy and her family has bought or anywhere they've went. Every single thing. Of course, Tammy got wise to Cheryl and does everything she can to avoid telling Cheryl anything, but the kids all like each other and play together, the two husbands get along fairly well and talk 'over the fence' often, and Tammy says she's gotten where she hates to go outside because Cheryl seems to be lying in wait for her and is very pushy about asking questions. She practically runs to her car. And she says now it seems like she's got the kids asking questions for her.

Tammy doesn't want to be ugly to Cheryl because 1)they are neighbors and have to live by them 2) the kids are friends and 3) the whole thing seems sort of petty when you tell it to others and makes Tammy look like the bad guy. But really, she says the whole thing is starting to creep her out. She said she felt like taking out a restraining order when Cheryl showed up in the gourmet cooking class she's taking last night. She says she doesn't want to be in 'competition' with Cheryl, but Cheryl doesn't seem to be willing to accept that Tammy isn't playing.

So, how far is this sort of behavior just 'silly' and when does it become offensive? And what do you do about it if you DON'T want to be nasty to someone?

I think it's still in the silly stage.  I think it would be offensive if Cheryl did it in a mocking way, that is, did caricatured versions of what Tammy's family does that are clearly meant to be insulting, if she infringed on intellectual property rights belonging to Tammy's family, or if she followed them around and/or spied on them.  It doesn't sound like Cheryl and her family are doing those things, just trying to play the one-up game. 

It seems to me that Tammy has two courses of action right now:
1) playing their cards close to the vest, which they're trying to do, and
2) finding out what things are not to Cheryl's taste, and spending a short period of time engaging in those things.  That's possibly a passive-aggressive way to go about it, but also possibly the most effective.
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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2006, 06:32:38 PM »
i have a friend who had a similar situation - even went into hairstyles, clothing.  everything my friend did, bought, wore, etc this other woman copied.

it does appear petty,at first, but it got creepy soon  fortunately they worked together and my friend moved to a nother area and rarely saw "copy cat" again.

I don't think there's much she can do, short of what she is doing.  Be civil but not friendly and not give out any more information than absolutely necessary.
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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2006, 06:43:10 PM »
I don't know if it's funny, sad, or creepy. Perhaps a combination of the three. I second this advice, whether or not it was given seriously:

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2006, 07:08:53 PM »
 Did you read the last sentence?

"With any lick at all, she'll drive Cheryl into bankruptcy, and she'll have to sell her house and move"

While it might be fun to think about - would you really want that hanging on *your* soul.  Remember Karma.  It *will* come back to get you.

I however would try to keep what I bought for the kids under wraps.  For instance the iPod thing, I think that I would have told her I was picking it up for somebody else.  That they couldn't get to the store that day. (not lying. Son is somebody else, and he wasn't going to the store that day)
If she HAD to buy one that day too, Who would she know to give it to?  husband,son or daughter.

The next time she goes to neighbors house and sees "her" furniture in the living room could make some comment about "this piece looks so much better with that one next to it, you know.  And watch her scramble to rearrange. 

of course I don't think that I would let anyone back in my house that riffled through the papers on my desk.  WAY RUDE. 

I have practiclly lived at a friends house and the most I do to important papers is pick them off of the table and put them on the desk.  (dinner time, setting table) looking through them - no way.

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2006, 07:21:31 PM »
I think it's creepy!  Why is this woman being given access to your home?  Maybe it's time to limit visits.

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2006, 08:02:57 PM »
Seriously the situation as written reminds me of an old movie called "Single white female"....I've been stalked before and this is creepy.

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2006, 08:14:03 PM »
Cheryl was even caught leafing through some graded papers Tammy's son left sitting on the computer desk one day

Regardless of anything else Cheryl is doing, leafing through someone else's papers is beyond rude.

I'm not sure what to think about the rest of her behaviour, but in the case of school reports/grades I would simply say we were very happy with the results and leave it at that.  I've had to say that myself to some nosy people when I just knew they were fishing for information with which to make a comparison. (With some other people I've been happy to share the information).

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2007, 01:26:43 AM »
I pity her kids.  They get gifts that were chosen by other people, for other children.

What are they learning from this?


By the way, I never keep up with the Joneses.

I drag 'em down to my level. 

It's cheaper. :P

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Re: When does 'keeping up with the Joneses' become stalkerish?
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2007, 02:50:37 AM »
I'd say, don't answer anything, and don't let her in the house. That's as much as you can do unless she does something illegal. If she wants to pump the kids/hubby for info, it's just more work for her (and looks more pathetic).

The other thing I would do is get gifts or items for the house that are unique, one of a kind things. Tell her you bought them at a yard sale or a going-out-of-business sale. That should keep her busy for weeks trying to find them elsewhere. If she has a brain in her head, it should also give her a clue that she needs to make these style decisions all by herself.
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