Wow. You stop obsessively reading ehell for a few days and bam, the world explodes.
I have to admit, the whole situation is deeply troubling to me. I have to echo a previous poster that, honestly, neither side is coming out of this smelling like roses in this.
Obviously, there's a lot of information I don't know, and a lot of information that is surely none of my business. But the accusations and insinuations, on both sides are...deeply concerning.
If it is true that a group of people were acting in a concerted fashion to dogpile disliked posters, provoke, over-report (w/ vitriol), and otherwise cyberbully - then I am saddened and disturbed. Anyone directly engaging in such behavior is surely quite rightly banned. I won't expound at length on my sadness on that subject, just because I think all of the prior comments about 'mean girls', etc, are spot on and don't need my less eloquent rehashing.
But I am also deeply bothered by the notion that has been expressed here by a few posters, and seems to be alluded to by some of the mods, that merely being a member of an outside group, some of whose members engaged in bad acts, makes you bannable. I sincerely hope that is not what has happened here.
While I can agree that if a group existed solely and expressly for such 'bad act' purposes, membership alone may indeed be indicative. However, if the group's express purpose was something altogether different, and only a few members of this group began to behave badly - other members of that group might not even have *known* about the bad acts.
If I were to join a facebook group, I would not consider myself automatically responsible for everything that other members of that group do, or what they post in that group (or anywhere else). If I were *specifically* aware that members were cyberbullying someone, I would likely say something. However, it's far more likely that if some members were engaging in snarky drama I didn't care about, I would start skimming over or ignoring those posts/members. If the entire group gave over to that kind of drama, I would just excuse myself.
And before anyone asks, no, I am not a member, nor have I ever been a member, of the super secret facebook group. I'm rather allergic to facebook. (Which is, incidentally, why it is quite easy for me to imagine joining a group, then not logging into facebook for 2 months and having absolutely no earthly idea what's being posted in that group).
The idea that one might be banned from ehell simply by being a member of a group in which some other members committed bad acts - I am deeply, deeply bothered by this notion. This is not how I would hope that moderation decisions at ehell are made.
I sincerely hope that is *not* what has happened here, and fully admit that I don't really understand if it was. I would hope that each person banned has been banned because they personally were involved in bad acts, and not simply 'guilt by association', or 'guilt by proximity'.
A few posters and more than one mod have called for the facebook group to be opened up to public perusal. While this seems like a good way, on its face, to determine the true nature of the group, I can see some significant and completely legitimate reasons why the members of this group might not be willing to do this - even if the group is entirely innocuous (or if any bad behavior was limited to a few members). In all likelihood, members of that group posted a decent amount of personal information that they only felt comfortable sharing *because* it was a private group. There may be personal sexual information, legal information, medical information, posted there and attached to people's real and full names.
You cannot expect for people to be willing to have that kind of information suddenly publicly available to the entirety of the internet simply to prove what the nature of the group is. That is surely not a reasonable or fair request.
I will also say that I'm extremely disturbed by the situation of Rainha's banning. If I am understanding Ehelldame correctly, Rainha was essentially banned by accident, as a result of a technological blip, which Ehelldame herself acknowledges. However, for the sole reason that Rainha apparently told a friend that she had apparently been banned, she will now remain banned.
I do not understand this reasoning, and it concerns me. If an accidentally banned poster immediately fired off a vitriolic rant at a mod or EHD, I would completely understand retaining the ban for the new 'bad act'. Or if the banned poster blogged or posted public vitriol somewhere. But, if I'm understanding EHD correctly, and I admit I may not be, Rainha did not fire off any public or private vitriol. What EHD's post appears to say is simply that she told friends she had been banned.
I...did not realize that in itself was a bannable offense.
This is quite strange to me - if I were banned or gagged from Ehell, I'm quite sure I would discuss such a thing with my friends and boyfriend. Wouldn't many of us? Particularly if we were not entirely sure why we had been banned/gagged in the first place? And if our friends IRL included ehellions, wouldn't it be natural to discuss it with them?
I understand the frustration EHD must be feeling at all the drama, and this must just seem like yet one more piece of it, but this ban in particular, from what EHD herself has said of it, just seems entirely...problematic.
This whole situation makes me really, really sad.