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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2011, 08:10:25 PM »
Although, if you, DH, and DD go for dessert, and take a yummy GF dessert to share, you will be asking SIL for a few dollars against the cost, I kinda hope...

While sure you would not do *that* it would still be more gracious than the hospitality SIL is extending, and having her costs offset.
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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2011, 08:16:47 PM »
I just can't quite understand how your SIL's brain works. She sounds like the worst hostess in the world, since she's charging her guests and actively sabotaging two of her guests' attempts to be able to eat.
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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2011, 10:51:13 PM »
Oh my goodness, she is my Sil.

They're both nurses and both behave this way :( what gives.?

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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2011, 09:49:14 AM »
Oh my goodness, she is my Sil.

They're both nurses and both behave this way :( what gives.?

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I wonder about that myself-- my mom is a nurse, and when I was growing up, a lot of the time, she refused to believe me when I said I was in pain.

I don't think she'd ever ignore a medical dietary restriction though (though she might want to know who diagnosed you and how before she believes you).

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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2011, 01:11:00 PM »
Sounds like SIL gets it her way all the way spending every Christmas having "her" family Christmas.  I'm with everyone who says you need to set out to all your family what the problem is, and then explain that if your SIL won't accommodate your husband and daughter that's fine but you won't be eating with them.

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« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2011, 03:18:57 PM »
I would not use words like "How does that sound?"  That's asking for permission.  You need to state your expectations and go from there.  If you ask, then they have to power to dismiss your concerns by saying something like "oh no, let's all eat together. That sounds better." 

I wouldn't even try to convince my SIL to fix something GF as she's proven over and over again that your DH and DD do not factor into her menu choices.  At this point, I would text brother "just wanted to let you know we are eating at home but will participate in after-dinner activities. :)"  They can't argue with that as they've proven time and time again that they will not accommodate your family.

At this point, if you give in/cave in...the blame will be on you.  You already know their standard practice.  If you continue to allow your DH and DD to be harmed, then it's your responsibility and no longer your SIL's or your mothers fault. 

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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2011, 03:44:42 PM »
Update: I contacted DB last night and asked for clarification on the issue. The reply that I got said "Oh no! We only meant if they want anything special they should bring it. We've got plenty of gf food for them to have for a normal meal - ham and chicken and salads". Which is what they always have, with the non gf dressing and the non gf chicken  ::)

So now I feel bad about being so cranky because perhaps they really really are just that clueless. As I said, I know SIL really loves DD so I couldn't work out why she was being so mean to her, but perhaps she isn't being mean, just clueless. Although after all this time it is taking cluelessness to a whole new level.

So I'm less annoyed but still determined that DH and DD will get a good lunch. I replied to my brother that I would contact SIL closer to the date to discuss the menu to determine what I should bring. I'm thinking that what I will say is "How about I bring a gluten free chicken carved and we can just add some of your ham to the platter and put that out on the table, and btw I'll take care of getting dressings for the salad so you don't have to worry about whether they're gluten free or not." or something like that and will deduct the cost of these from my usual contribution).

The main thing is that I've gotten rid of my crankiness - I started to think that even if everything worked out I would be sitting at the table mumbling crankily under my breath on christmas day  :). You guys have helped strengthen my spine so when I get the usual "It'll be fine" I'll be able to say "Great. Now, about those chickens..."
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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2011, 03:49:25 PM »
No, she's not just clueless.  Once is clueless, but in the OP it says this has been going on for years.  That's beyond clueless into willfully ignoring your DH and DD's needs.  Your SIL is being rude, IMO.

I would still eat at home and go later.  I would imagine by the time you get there, the ham will be on a non-GF platter, and the salads will already be dressed.  I think with this group, the only way to guarantee your DH and DD will get a good holiday meal is to cook it yourselves. 

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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2011, 04:57:14 PM »
I'm sorry OP but I don't believe SIL is being clueless at all.  Not if it's happened more than once. 

And by your own admission, it's happened again and again.  No, not clueless but she is depending on your passive nature, that's for sure.  I understand what it is to give people the benefit of the doubt but this has gone on long enough. 

And your brother's reply does nothing to reassure me that your DH and DD will have anything to eat.  After all, isn't that what he/she/they always say? 

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« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2011, 05:05:01 PM »
I could almost believe that SiL is really that clueless. My mom has to be reminded every single time Cabbage comes home that, yes, she will eat tilapia, and no, she doesn't dislike all seafood. And Mom and Dad have similar conversations all the time about certain vegetables and the like, and they've been married for nearly 24 years.

SiL could really forget that every single time. But, I sincerely doubt that she could forget something that important to her relatives' health for years. She'd almost have to have perpetual amnesia.
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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2011, 05:08:11 PM »
What's wrong with attending, bringing your own GF food and giving SIL $15 at the end, while assertively, but not rudely stating, I'm just paying for myself as we bought our own GF food.

You want a happy Xmas day, so grow a spine and have one. If you feel you must, tell your mum what you're planning in advance.

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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2011, 10:56:22 PM »
Your update doesn't give me hope for a different outcome.

" The reply that I got said "Oh no! We only meant if they want anything special they should bring it. We've got plenty of gf food for them to have for a normal meal - ham and chicken and salads". Which is what they always have, with the non gf dressing and the non gf chicken  "

Same as always.

But this time all the meat will already be cut up and all mixed on the plate when you arrive [btdt]

So, Iris, what do you plan to do ?

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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2011, 12:09:00 AM »


So, Iris, what do you plan to do ?

I plan to let them know that I will bring a carved gf chicken on a platter that they can add ham to and tell them that I will buy the salad dressings. I think the best option will be if I make an excuse to stop by their house some time in the next couple of weeks so I can have the conversation face to face.
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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2011, 12:57:26 AM »
I'm not sure that bringing a gf chicken and dressing is really going to solve anything, Iris.

It seems like what you have here is either ignorance so profound it's basically willful, or an active desire to put SIL's wants over your husband's and daughter's needs.

If it's willful ignorance, your offering to bring a gf chicken and dressing won't fix anything.  They still won't understand, and it's still possible for the salad and even the gf chicken (nevermind the ham) to get contaminated and become inedible.

If it's plain old selfishness, your bringing a gf chicken and dressing is likely going to read as capitulation or as an outright challenge.  If the latter, things could get very unpleasant, and you won't have really demonstrated where your line is.

If you think it is simply ignorance, I would schedule a time to talk to them.  Sit them down and explain to them in detail what Celiac disease is (and what it does to a person who has it), what foods contain gluten that you would not expect, and how to avoid contaminating gluten free foods.  Be exhaustive, and use past meals as examples to illustrate what you are trying to explain.  Don't be afraid to put them on the spot a little bit -- if they are still ignorant of what is necessary, it is because on some level, they don't care enough to educate themselves.  They deserve to be put on the spot for that.  They deserve to feel uncomfortable for the fact that two members of their family have been made to feel unwelcome at every meal they have hosted because of that.  And tell them at some point in the conversation that if you do not feel they are able to provide a non-contaminated gluten free meal, your family will be eating at home and joining everyone else after dinner.

If you think it's selfishness, then honestly, you're going to need to be a lot more confrontational to change anything.  Your choices, at that point, are to avoid confrontation by just eating at home, or to confront the situation head on (using strong but polite language) in advance so that you can hopefully reach resolution by the holidays.  But be aware -- if selfishness is the motivation, just about anything you do outside of the status quo is likely to produce a strongly negative reaction.  This is not your fault, and you should not allow anyone to make you feel guilty for it.  Best case scenario, your standing up to them changes the status quo and you never have to be so confrontational again.  Worst case scenario, you have brought an attitude that already existed and that they aren't willing to change into the open for everyone to see (which is uncomfortable for them) and you limit your time with this part of your family as a result.  Even in the worst case scenario, there is no reason for your family to sacrifice your comfort for the sake of other people being able to stay blissfully ignorant.  You are responsible for the comfort and well-being of your family, and the way people choose to respond to your politely but firmly standing up for your own family is not within your control, and thus not any concern of yours.


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Re: Christmas brouhaha - help me keep my temper (a bit long)
« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2011, 06:26:56 AM »
*I* still wouldn't but if you want to go, i would amend your proposed email:

I'm thinking that what I will say is "How about I am bringing a gluten free chicken carved and we can just add some of your ham to the platter before anythng is put on the ham and put that out on the table, and btw I'll bring salad dressing so please do not dress the salad before we get there take care of getting dressings for the salad so you don't have to worry about whether they're gluten free or not. Since we are bringing all this food, we will contribute 50 - X$"

the reason i say i still wouldn't go is because it doesn't sound like your SIL is *that* clueless; it sounds like she just wants to do things her way. and I wouldn't trust her to actually follow my requests. since this is a medical issue, i would not subject my child to that. (if your DH, an adult, is fine with her ways, then let him deal)
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