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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2007, 11:19:34 PM »
I am getting really tired of the kids that play characters on the Disney Channel, myself.

They're rude and sarcastic IMO.  Not the way I want my kids to act.





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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 11:31:43 PM »
The TV characters I can't stand are the smart alec kids next door type.  If any of my kids friends and/or neighbours kids' were that mouthy to me that would be the last time I'd let them into my house.

I haven't seen the show "My Sweet 16" (not sure if it's shown in Australia) but having heard about it from this board I imagine it would be like watching a train wreck.  I did see a "YouTube" (is that correct?) video recently of a girl who was given a car for her 16th birthday and the tantrum she threw because it was the "wrong" colour.  I felt my normally low blood pressure sky rocket watching that.

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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2007, 11:40:28 PM »
I am getting really tired of the kids that play characters on the Disney Channel, myself.

They're rude and sarcastic IMO.  Not the way I want my kids to act.
I like the old school tv shows and a few that are on now. I still get a kick out of Arthur.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2007, 03:08:50 AM »
The rudest TV character I've ever seen is Larry David from "Curb Your Enthusiasm." Nobody is spared, but more often than not he gets his comeuppance.
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2007, 04:02:51 AM »
Every so often my 15-year old daughter and I watch an Australian teenage soapie called "Home and Away".  Our express purpose is to jeer at the idiocracy of the teenager - and often adult - characters.

One woman had an affair with your daughter's underage boyfriend, then begs his father not to tell her daughter because "it would destroy her!".  Yeah, and that was always going to end so well.

Your boyfriend takes drugs and hits you?  But it's just the drugs, he's not like that really, he loooooooooves me and I can save him from himself!  Whatever.

The local policeman is taking small bribes to pay his gambling debts.  A shady businessman has found out and is blackmailing him into overlooking drug deals. 

A teenage girl claims that her (platonic) male schoolfriend is the father when she gets pregnant because she's too ashamed to admit she got drunk and has no idea who the father is.  She doesn't tell him in advance and the first he knows of it is when her brother beats him up.  The friend goes along with the deception because he "couldn't" expose her to the shame.

98% of the appalling events in this soapie could have been avoided if the participants had considered the consequences of their actions before committing the actions.  But then where would be the drama?

This soap is very popular among teenagers.  Unlike my daughter, they take it seriously.  They use the people in it as role models.  No wonder the world is going to Hades in a handbasket.
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2007, 09:57:52 AM »
"My Sweet Sixteen" has to be scripted some how. That is how the producers lure in viewers. Plus, come on, you put a camera in front of a bunch of teenagers and they know they are going to be seen on MTV!!! Of course their going to act like drama queens!

Hopefully in 15-20 years they will look back, be embaressed, and apologize to their parents.
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2007, 10:21:14 AM »
"My Sweet Sixteen" has to be scripted some how. That is how the producers lure in viewers. Plus, come on, you put a camera in front of a bunch of teenagers and they know they are going to be seen on MTV!!! Of course their going to act like drama queens!

Hopefully in 15-20 years they will look back, be embaressed, and apologize to their parents.

I read on a message board at the Internet Movie Data Base that the show is semi-scripted and, in some cases, the kids are directed to act like jerks (which says even more about their lack of character to me).  According to one poster, she attended one of the parties filmed and both she and the friends and the birthday girl were horrified by the way the show had been edited to make them look like entitlement princesses.  Which isn't to say that there aren't a lot of shows that probably don't have to be scripted because the "heroine" IS an entitlement princess.



I am getting really tired of the kids that play characters on the Disney Channel, myself.

They're rude and sarcastic IMO.  Not the way I want my kids to act.
I like the old school tv shows and a few that are on now. I still get a kick out of Arthur.
The Suite Life of Zack and Cody? No. Nope. I think it's dumb. No life lessons, no sense of reality.

I so hate Zack and Cody.  At first I thought it was just good humored fun, but the more I watched, the angrier I became.  One of the things that bothers me about the show is the same thing that bothers me about a lot of programs where teens are the major focus.  The story line always goes like this:

Loud, happy, rude family is focus of program.  They are the heroes.  The villain is an elderly next door neighbor or a conservative, quiet neighbor who does not appreciate having their trees toilet papered or having noise and attitude foisted upon them by the young members of Rude Family.  In the end, however, we can expect one of two outcomes:

a) neighbor is shown the error of her ways (she's always an old, old, old lady) and is seen break dancing or something equally ridiculous at the grand finale.

b) if neighbor is a younger, scholarly quiet type, they are somehow humiliated at the end of the show and lose out on whatever they were trying to achieve.

I absolutely HATE this kind of trash--even more than I hate soap operas where everyone trades partners every three months.  (And I hate those a lot)  I hate it because the implication is always that "quiet and scholarly" equals "suspicious and snooty" and "old and quiet" equals "pathetically alone."  NEVER do the members of Rude Family learn that maybe, if they were to be quiet and respectful, they might accomplish something far greater than humiliating their quiet neighbor.

The trend in children's books is appalling as well.  I will concede that Captain Underpants will always be with us and, to be honest, I find that the revolting behavior is handled with some wit and good writing.  But it has spawned a whole 'nother genre revolving around bad behavior. body function humor and general nastiness--and these books are being published despite the fact that (unlike Captain Underpants) they have no wit, no humor and the writing is below par.  Yech!


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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 02:07:12 PM »
There was a mini-reality show that was on last summer (I think) called "American Princess" or something like that.  I really loved it.  The premise was, a bunch of young ladies were shipped over to England to live in a giant castle and take "princess lessons".  It did have the elimination thing like most shows (where someone had to leave after each episode), but the girls who lasted did so because they were good, polite, decent people.  The "challenges" were things like preparing and serving a proper British tea (with about fifty pieces of silver teaset), or going to a day at Ascott (dressing up and acting properly in high society), and each girl got to design a ballgown to wear at the final "test" - a huge ball with a bunch of British semi-elite.  There was even a dinner with Richard Branson (who showed off as a WONDERFUL guy, being polite and outgoing even to the shyer and plainer girls on the show).

I don't know if they ever have re-runs of this or if it's on DVD or anything, but I think a lot of EHellions would have liked it.

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 03:26:02 PM »
"American Princess".... hmmmmm.   :-\

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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 05:09:20 PM »
musicwoman, I think the worst storyline on Home and Away, was when one girl started dating a boy who had raped her older sister. It was presented as a love story and they ended up getting married. While they were together, the older sister (suffering PTSD) tries to kill him and he has her charged. WHILE STILL dating THE SISTER. I can't remember if the sister was involved with the wedding, but that's one relationship that had a LOT of people going "What is WRONG with you people?" towards the show.

I also don't know many teenagers who use the girls on the show as role models.

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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2007, 07:07:30 PM »
musicwoman, I think the worst storyline on Home and Away, was when one girl started dating a boy who had raped her older sister. It was presented as a love story and they ended up getting married. While they were together, the older sister (suffering PTSD) tries to kill him and he has her charged. WHILE STILL dating THE SISTER. I can't remember if the sister was involved with the wedding, but that's one relationship that had a LOT of people going "What is WRONG with you people?" towards the show.

I also don't know many teenagers who use the girls on the show as role models.

Luke and Laura on GH --> He rapes her, they end up falling in love and going on wild adventures.

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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2007, 07:17:38 PM »
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But I do agree that a lot of times TV promote things that in real life are faux pas.

It always has.  Even in the innocent days of Lucy- she was a major obsessed celebrity stalker.  She should have been in jail for some of her shenanigans.

Every sitcom since time began has neighbors who just barge into each others homes, eavesdrop, gossip, etc.  Spouses routinely lie to each other.  People lie to their bosses and in laws so that hijinks can ensue, rather than just being honest and saying "I hate that hat," or "I need Friday off." 

A bunch of people behaving politely makes for some pretty boring tv.

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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2007, 07:42:39 PM »
Luke and Laura on GH --> He rapes her, they end up falling in love and going on wild adventures.
I was never able to watch GH after that.  As a two-time survivor of that crime I believe this to be one of the TV's biggest insults to the audience's intelligence.

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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2007, 11:40:04 AM »
The level of vulgarity on TV today is at an all-time high, I think; it's almost as though the pendulum should be swinging back soon...

And I speak here as a younger adult (mid-twenties) who "should" be watching those types of shows.

Recently, I was watching some reruns of "The Odd Couple."  This is my all-time favorite sitcom; not only do I love the TV show, but I also love the Neil Simon play and the movie.  Jack Klugman is my all-time favorite actor, and I like Tony Randall a lot, too.

What strikes me is that the character of Oscar Madison (Klugman), who's supposed to be a slob, is actually far more tasteful than any character on TV today.  In other words, "slob" in "The Odd Couple" means extremely laid back, not vulgar and unpleasant.

Those were the days when comedy writing was still great...

That said, I like the show "Sue Thomas, F.B.I." because it shows an independent woman, but not a smart-mouthed or promiscuous one, a woman of intelligence, spirituality and inner strength.  And what about Steve Sloan (Barry Van Dyke) on "Diagnosis Murder" (admittedly sometimes a cheesy show, but which has some superb individual episodes), who lives with his father?  On any other show, it seems, this would be ridiculed.
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