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LazyDaisy:

--- Quote from: Virg on March 26, 2013, 01:51:27 PM ---LazyDaisy wrote:

"I understand why too. From what I understand, the Native Americans are considered "sovereign nations" within the borders of the US."

Considering that the vast majority of the geography of the United States used to be Native American land and the whole concept of Manifest Destiny was wound up in conflict with Native American nations, this is too far a stretch to be valid.  For close to a century people born into NA tribes on reservations are considered American citizens by the U.S. government, so at least for the "present day" part of the class they're learning about a segment of the American population.

"In some areas of the south western US, we have a shared history with Mexico (think of all the Spanish missions along the California coast or the Mexican American war), but taking a course solely on Mexican history doesn't really = US history."

Since you mentioned it, would studying the history of California from the 1500's through the present day not count because a good portion of that would be Mexican history?  As I said, present day NA people (in the U.S. of course) are American citizens by birth.

Virg

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The US is a political entity with a defined beginning. If you only mean the geographic area of North America, then the study of paleolithic peoples would count as "US History." According to the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act, Native Americans have a dual citizenship. Attaining US citizenship is guaranteed by birth and attaining tribal citizenship depends on blood and heritage, and the rules governing it vary by tribe. They might have a shared history but that doesn't equal US History. If it did, you could argue then that studying British history is the same as US history since so many of our founding fathers and early settlements were British. Or then French and Spanish history is the same as US history since large parts of what is today part of the US, was once under their control. So no, I don't believe studying "California" history would count as US History prior to 1846 as it wasn't a part of the US until then, and not a state in the union until 1850.

hobish:

--- Quote from: Tea Drinker on March 24, 2013, 12:16:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Nora on March 24, 2013, 10:58:26 AM ---Thanks to this thread I went and read Judges chapter 19, and now I need an adult. And brain bleach. And that machine from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.  >:(

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Hi, I'm Tea Drinker, and I will be your adult for the afternoon. Would you like a cup of tea or hot chocolate?

(Sorry, I have no brain bleach, but maybe some nice soothing music?)

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I just had to chime in and tell you how much i love this.  :)

kherbert05:

--- Quote from: Softly Spoken on March 26, 2013, 11:11:06 AM ---Not a conversation exchange but something I read. On the website microaggressions.com (which requires massive sanity points and cans of diet coke to read  :( ), there was the following anecdote:

"At my school, the Introduction to Native Americans class, which covers the history of Native Americans from pre-Contact to present day, does not count towards the United States History general education requirement."

 ???      ???      ???      >:(

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Was it a history class? Or was it under a different department like sociology or some type of cultural studies? Also how in the world did they cover all the Native American cultures in one class. Even doing something general over the big cultural groups would be difficult.

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