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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6480 on: January 21, 2013, 07:18:15 AM »
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6481 on: January 21, 2013, 07:47:32 AM »
^^^ I never said he was a SS.  IMO, he was just very irresponsible to go to a gun range with little or no experience and as he was removed, the business thought so as well.  Rules are posted.

This range does allow you to shoot their weapons and will assist you in doing so, but this man was using his own firearm....in which case, he needed to know at least the basics before ever coming there. 

Someone like that is a danger to himself and to others on a range.  He had zero business being there without, at least, another person who was experienced or taking a safety class and beginner class.

I know nothing about gun ownership but if I decided to take up the sport, I would assume that a gun range would be the place to go. I might in fact buy a gun and go to the range which I would assume would be a good place to get lessons or experience.

Nothing you have written shows me that the man was anything other than inexperienced at gun ownership and trying to gain some practice in a safe environment.

If the rules were posted, why was he allowed onto the range in the first place, don't they do a licence check or something?

Possibly it seems obvious to you as an experienced gun owner but to me his actions seem fine. I'd go to a gun range long before I'd start playing with an unfamiliar gun in my house.

In addition to what Elfmama said, if you are have never done any shooting before, but are looking to get into it you should actually go to the range and try their guns out first.  Pretty much any online resource that I have looked at suggests this.  All guns (well, all manufacturers) are slightly different, and what works for the guy next to you might not be very comfortable for you.  If you are walking into a range with your own gun and haven't ever shot any gun at all before - and if you don't understand how the magazine works you probably haven't - then you're going about the whole thing backwards.

*** DH shoots competitively, and I have previously as well.  I have seen and used the magazines for many different guns.  They all function pretty much the same way, so I don't really believe that he's shot before but this gun's magazine is so vastly different that it doesn't make sense.

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6482 on: January 21, 2013, 08:11:33 AM »
Well, if she meant she thought Stoker was writing nonfiction, yes, that's brain hurty. But if she just meant that Stoker wrote scary vampires like the ones from older folklore, and Meyer's are much more toned down, then she's on to something!  ;D

I agree, if she meant "real" as in "reflecting the original folklore of the area where Vlad Tepes once lived," her comment makes sense.

That's true. It the context it did sound more like she meant "the vampires from the older folklore were real", (so not that Stoker's Dracula was real, but that it was based on a true story), but it might be better to give her the benefit of doubt.
 
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6483 on: January 21, 2013, 08:36:55 AM »
My youngest sister in law is a high school English teacher, posted a picture on FB that made my brain hurt.  It's a picture of a late assignment turned in by one of her students (name and student ID not in the shot).  Under the question, "Why is this assignment late?" the student's only answer is YOLO.  Nothing else.  Why someone would think this is an acceptable answer is beyond me.  My SIL circled it and wrote "Really?" next to it.  I'm wondering how much credit the student will actually get. 

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6484 on: January 21, 2013, 08:51:01 AM »
^^^ I never said he was a SS.  IMO, he was just very irresponsible to go to a gun range with little or no experience and as he was removed, the business thought so as well.  Rules are posted.

This range does allow you to shoot their weapons and will assist you in doing so, but this man was using his own firearm....in which case, he needed to know at least the basics before ever coming there. 

Someone like that is a danger to himself and to others on a range.  He had zero business being there without, at least, another person who was experienced or taking a safety class and beginner class.

I know nothing about gun ownership but if I decided to take up the sport, I would assume that a gun range would be the place to go. I might in fact buy a gun and go to the range which I would assume would be a good place to get lessons or experience.

Nothing you have written shows me that the man was anything other than inexperienced at gun ownership and trying to gain some practice in a safe environment.

If the rules were posted, why was he allowed onto the range in the first place, don't they do a licence check or something?

Possibly it seems obvious to you as an experienced gun owner but to me his actions seem fine. I'd go to a gun range long before I'd start playing with an unfamiliar gun in my house.

In addition to what Elfmama said, if you are have never done any shooting before, but are looking to get into it you should actually go to the range and try their guns out first.  Pretty much any online resource that I have looked at suggests this.  All guns (well, all manufacturers) are slightly different, and what works for the guy next to you might not be very comfortable for you.  If you are walking into a range with your own gun and haven't ever shot any gun at all before - and if you don't understand how the magazine works you probably haven't - then you're going about the whole thing backwards.

*** DH shoots competitively, and I have previously as well.  I have seen and used the magazines for many different guns.  They all function pretty much the same way, so I don't really believe that he's shot before but this gun's magazine is so vastly different that it doesn't make sense.

Agreeing with ElfMama, Dazi, and Seven here. Going and buying a gun without any type of knowledge or training and taking it to a gun range in public is comparitive to going and buying a jetski having never been on one before, taking it out to the lake and expecting the marina operator to train you on how to put gas in, start it up and basic safety instructions.  With that approach you are endangering yourself, other people on the lake, and creating a dangerous environment for the marina operator. Just because you have seen someone ride one on TV doesen't mean you know how to control one. If you are new to gun ownership you need to first take lessons or find someone who can famialirize you with gun safety and practices before you ever put a loaded one in your hand.

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6485 on: January 21, 2013, 08:52:21 AM »
^^^ I never said he was a SS.  IMO, he was just very irresponsible to go to a gun range with little or no experience and as he was removed, the business thought so as well.  Rules are posted.

This range does allow you to shoot their weapons and will assist you in doing so, but this man was using his own firearm....in which case, he needed to know at least the basics before ever coming there. 

Someone like that is a danger to himself and to others on a range.  He had zero business being there without, at least, another person who was experienced or taking a safety class and beginner class.

I know nothing about gun ownership but if I decided to take up the sport, I would assume that a gun range would be the place to go. I might in fact buy a gun and go to the range which I would assume would be a good place to get lessons or experience.

Nothing you have written shows me that the man was anything other than inexperienced at gun ownership and trying to gain some practice in a safe environment.

If the rules were posted, why was he allowed onto the range in the first place, don't they do a licence check or something?

Possibly it seems obvious to you as an experienced gun owner but to me his actions seem fine. I'd go to a gun range long before I'd start playing with an unfamiliar gun in my house.

You do not have to have a license to purchase a gun in the US.  The only requirements I know of are you can't be a felon, mentally ill and must be over 21 to purchase a handgun.

I would hope to Deity that it this would fall into the catergory of common sense that a novice shouldn't not try to handle a firearm on a live range alone.  A range is a perfectly acceptable place to gain practice and experience AFTER one has taken at least the appropriate safety course/beginner class (which every range and gun shop I've ever been to usually offers several times a month) and been on range with an instructor at least once/preferably more. 

It is a weapon and should be treated as such.  A novice is much more likely to accidentally discharge a firearm, potentially hurting or killing themselves or someone else. 

Ideally one should not purchase a firearm until after one learns to use it.  It sort of like buying a car, you want to test drive and see what works best for you before committing. Many shops will let you try before you buy for this reason...what works for one person does not work for another and lefties got a whole nother bunch of issues.


Just for example, I've seen a plane flown.  It doesn't mean I'm going to go rent a plane and just get in the cockpit and just start flying.  I think everyone would agree that is just ridiculous for me to think I could do.  Even knowing how to drive a car, I know I should not get in a bus or semi and attempt to drive it without proper training.
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6486 on: January 21, 2013, 09:09:44 AM »
My youngest sister in law is a high school English teacher, posted a picture on FB that made my brain hurt.  It's a picture of a late assignment turned in by one of her students (name and student ID not in the shot).  Under the question, "Why is this assignment late?" the student's only answer is YOLO.  Nothing else.  Why someone would think this is an acceptable answer is beyond me.  My SIL circled it and wrote "Really?" next to it.  I'm wondering how much credit the student will actually get.

If this becomes a trend she should start giving it back...

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6487 on: January 21, 2013, 09:13:35 AM »
My youngest sister in law is a high school English teacher, posted a picture on FB that made my brain hurt.  It's a picture of a late assignment turned in by one of her students (name and student ID not in the shot).  Under the question, "Why is this assignment late?" the student's only answer is YOLO.  Nothing else.  Why someone would think this is an acceptable answer is beyond me.  My SIL circled it and wrote "Really?" next to it.  I'm wondering how much credit the student will actually get.

If this becomes a trend she should start giving it back...

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6488 on: January 21, 2013, 09:15:05 AM »
^^^ I never said he was a SS.  IMO, he was just very irresponsible to go to a gun range with little or no experience and as he was removed, the business thought so as well.  Rules are posted.

This range does allow you to shoot their weapons and will assist you in doing so, but this man was using his own firearm....in which case, he needed to know at least the basics before ever coming there. 

Someone like that is a danger to himself and to others on a range.  He had zero business being there without, at least, another person who was experienced or taking a safety class and beginner class.

I know nothing about gun ownership but if I decided to take up the sport, I would assume that a gun range would be the place to go. I might in fact buy a gun and go to the range which I would assume would be a good place to get lessons or experience.

Nothing you have written shows me that the man was anything other than inexperienced at gun ownership and trying to gain some practice in a safe environment.

If the rules were posted, why was he allowed onto the range in the first place, don't they do a licence check or something?

Possibly it seems obvious to you as an experienced gun owner but to me his actions seem fine. I'd go to a gun range long before I'd start playing with an unfamiliar gun in my house.

You do not have to have a license to purchase a gun in the US.  The only requirements I know of are you can't be a felon, mentally ill and must be over 21 to purchase a handgun.

I would hope to Deity that it this would fall into the catergory of common sense that a novice shouldn't not try to handle a firearm on a live range alone.  A range is a perfectly acceptable place to gain practice and experience AFTER one has taken at least the appropriate safety course/beginner class (which every range and gun shop I've ever been to usually offers several times a month) and been on range with an instructor at least once/preferably more. 

It is a weapon and should be treated as such.  A novice is much more likely to accidentally discharge a firearm, potentially hurting or killing themselves or someone else. 

Ideally one should not purchase a firearm until after one learns to use it.  It sort of like buying a car, you want to test drive and see what works best for you before committing. Many shops will let you try before you buy for this reason...what works for one person does not work for another and lefties got a whole nother bunch of issues.


Just for example, I've seen a plane flown.  It doesn't mean I'm going to go rent a plane and just get in the cockpit and just start flying.  I think everyone would agree that is just ridiculous for me to think I could do.  Even knowing how to drive a car, I know I should not get in a bus or semi and attempt to drive it without proper training.
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6489 on: January 21, 2013, 09:33:01 AM »
Well, if she meant she thought Stoker was writing nonfiction, yes, that's brain hurty. But if she just meant that Stoker wrote scary vampires like the ones from older folklore, and Meyer's are much more toned down, then she's on to something!  ;D

I agree, if she meant "real" as in "reflecting the original folklore of the area where Vlad Tepes once lived," her comment makes sense.

That's true. It the context it did sound more like she meant "the vampires from the older folklore were real", (so not that Stoker's Dracula was real, but that it was based on a true story), but it might be better to give her the benefit of doubt.

But the thing is that Dracula doesn't follow the older folklore either. Some of Bram Stoker's changes are as glaring as sparkly vampires. The Eastern European vampire was basically a corpse, much closer to our idea of a zombie: bloated, purplish-green skin (although much less decomposed than what would be expected of a real corpse at the same point), half grown hair and foul smelling. Not the suave count who could change into mist.

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« Reply #6490 on: January 21, 2013, 09:36:24 AM »
Well, if she meant she thought Stoker was writing nonfiction, yes, that's brain hurty. But if she just meant that Stoker wrote scary vampires like the ones from older folklore, and Meyer's are much more toned down, then she's on to something!  ;D

I agree, if she meant "real" as in "reflecting the original folklore of the area where Vlad Tepes once lived," her comment makes sense.

That's true. It the context it did sound more like she meant "the vampires from the older folklore were real", (so not that Stoker's Dracula was real, but that it was based on a true story), but it might be better to give her the benefit of doubt.

But the thing is that Dracula doesn't follow the older folklore either. Some of Bram Stoker's changes are as glaring as sparkly vampires. The Eastern European vampire was basically a corpse, much closer to our idea of a zombie: bloated, purplish-green skin (although much less decomposed than what would be expected of a real corpse at the same point), half grown hair and foul smelling. Not the suave count who could change into mist.

True, but at least he was still scary!  ;D

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6491 on: January 21, 2013, 10:12:45 AM »
My youngest sister in law is a high school English teacher, posted a picture on FB that made my brain hurt.  It's a picture of a late assignment turned in by one of her students (name and student ID not in the shot).  Under the question, "Why is this assignment late?" the student's only answer is YOLO.  Nothing else.  Why someone would think this is an acceptable answer is beyond me.  My SIL circled it and wrote "Really?" next to it.  I'm wondering how much credit the student will actually get.

If this becomes a trend she should start giving it back...

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6492 on: January 21, 2013, 10:31:27 AM »
Dazi wrote:

"Just for example, I've seen a plane flown.  It doesn't mean I'm going to go rent a plane and just get in the cockpit and just start flying.  I think everyone would agree that is just ridiculous for me to think I could do.  Even knowing how to drive a car, I know I should not get in a bus or semi and attempt to drive it without proper training."

This is the part that makes my brain hurt.  Most people who have no gun experience don't have any idea how complex gun use can be, so treating these examples as parallel is unfair.  I agree that people who do know are wise to step in as soon as they see a situation like someone who owns a gun not knowing how to load a magazine, but acting like the guy is being as dumb as someone who would try to fly a plane without practice is condescending.  Nobody is born knowing this stuff, and the major danger in firearms is that they're easy to use so the danger isn't readily obvious to the untrained.  The first time a friend of mine took me to a shooting range (which was the first time I ever fired a gun) I made some seriously dangerous rookie mistakes (mostly violating rule number three, not paying close attention to where the pistol was pointed and not setting the safety when I should have), and I had no idea I was doing it.  I was just lucky enough to be in the presence of someone who knew better and who was willing to help me.  I wasn't too dumb to handle a firearm, just unfamiliar with it and unaware of the safety rules.  I'd love to see a rule that forbids someone from buying a firearm until they've passed a basic safety course, but in the absence of that rule it's just a matter of a rookie not realizing the danger.

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6493 on: January 21, 2013, 11:42:06 AM »
My youngest sister in law is a high school English teacher, posted a picture on FB that made my brain hurt.  It's a picture of a late assignment turned in by one of her students (name and student ID not in the shot).  Under the question, "Why is this assignment late?" the student's only answer is YOLO.  Nothing else.  Why someone would think this is an acceptable answer is beyond me.  My SIL circled it and wrote "Really?" next to it.  I'm wondering how much credit the student will actually get.

YOLO. But you can take this class over and over and over again.  ;D

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6494 on: January 21, 2013, 11:47:04 AM »
My youngest sister in law is a high school English teacher, posted a picture on FB that made my brain hurt.  It's a picture of a late assignment turned in by one of her students (name and student ID not in the shot).  Under the question, "Why is this assignment late?" the student's only answer is YOLO.  Nothing else.  Why someone would think this is an acceptable answer is beyond me.  My SIL circled it and wrote "Really?" next to it.  I'm wondering how much credit the student will actually get.

YOLO. But you can take this class over and over and over again.  ;D

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