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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6840 on: February 01, 2013, 01:29:20 PM »
Here is something that makes my brain hurt, though it's probably my own fault: when people reference the "second hand" of a clock. Do they mean:

1) The hand that counts off 60 seconds in a minute, which is usually the thinnest hand and often red?
2) The hand that counts off 60 minutes in an hour, because it's the #2 hand, the hour hand being #1 and the red hand being #3? (According to the order in which you would give the time--hours, minutes, seconds--and also a sort of importance measure.)

With all of my qualifiers on #2, I'm guessing people are usually referring to #1. But apparently at some point in time I was taught with, "What number does the first hand say? What number does the second hand say?" and now I'm screwed up for life. Thank goodness for digital.  :P

This made my head hurt because my brain tends to mess with me when it comes to language.

In Danish the words for 2nd and for 1/60 minute are completely different - as in, have no similarity whatsoever.

So I read Lynn's post (and many of the subsequent posts as well...) as talking about the 2nd hand, and couldn't for the life of me understand why that would be the hand counting off the 1/60ths of a minute.

It wasn't until around Bexx' post that I caught on to it....
 
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6841 on: February 01, 2013, 03:15:16 PM »
I have box turtles as pets. Over the years I've had many questions about them that has caused some brain twitches.


At the end of a turtle's head, such as with my Horsepill here, there are two side by side holes. I have actually been asked what are those for. ;D

What ARE they for?  Breathing?  Hearing?  How is a non-turtle person to know?

With a lot of animals (and people, too ;)) having two side by side holes in the middle of their faces, I imagined most would know those are the turtle's nostrils. I guess I wasn't as correct as I thought.

All in all, I thought it was kinda funny to be asked about it. :)

ETA:
If you're curious, turtles do have ears. One on each side of the head, just beyond the corner of their mouth, there's a small, circular indentation and I've been told those are the ears. It's like that way for boxes, I'm not very familiar with other species. :)
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6842 on: February 01, 2013, 03:52:28 PM »
RE -- Pop vs. Soda debate:

I grew up in the midwest. Carbonated drinks were always called Soda Pop 8). Not sure what this does to the debate, though. :-\


RE -- Clock hands:

I also learned big hand, little hand and second hand.

I remember when I was first learning to tell time, my mother would sometimes get second hand clothes for us kids. That kinda made my little brain hurt "What? really fast clothes?"

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« Reply #6843 on: February 01, 2013, 04:08:38 PM »
The second hand of a clock is the minutes hand (the long one). 

To tell time on a clock one only needs one hand, the hour hand.  At one o'clock it will be on the one.  As the hour progresses it nudges along towards the two.  You can roughly figure out how much after one it is simply by where the hour hand falls between the one and the two (only 1/4 of the way to two?  Its 1:15ish.  Just over halfway to two?  Its 1:38ish.  etc).  To be more precise in what time it is, many clocks/watches will add a second (as in not the first, but another, second one) hand.  This hand will tell you the actual minutes after the hour the first hand is.

The third hand is the one that shows the actual seconds-as-in-unit-of-time, and is often not included.

You can google image "single hand watch" for examples of what an 'hours only' handed clock/watch look like. Sun dials are also single 'hand' clocks.

Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who has thought about two different meanings for the "second hand"! Maybe sunnygirl is right and it's some kind of geographic distinction, but here in the Midwest we are at the intersection of two different preferences. Kind of like how we say both "soda" and "pop." Usually I encounter this confusion when someone says, urgently, "What does the second hand read?!"  :-\ A little more pressure than requesting a carbonated beverage...

I'm from the Midwest and have never encountered first-second-third hands, only hour-minute-second. But soda/pop was a source of endless debate at my college, with a sizable minority coming in from the South and arguing that they're all Coke.
This might make some people's brains hurt - in the UK, we have no comparable word for soda/pop/coke etc. Maybe 'fizzy drinks' or 'soft drinks' though the latter also covers stuff like juice, tea, etc. Soda means soda water, pop means a genre of music, and coke means coca cola exclusively. I do wonder why we don't have a word for that, actually.

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6844 on: February 01, 2013, 04:34:51 PM »
The second hand of a clock is the minutes hand (the long one). 

To tell time on a clock one only needs one hand, the hour hand.  At one o'clock it will be on the one.  As the hour progresses it nudges along towards the two.  You can roughly figure out how much after one it is simply by where the hour hand falls between the one and the two (only 1/4 of the way to two?  Its 1:15ish.  Just over halfway to two?  Its 1:38ish.  etc).  To be more precise in what time it is, many clocks/watches will add a second (as in not the first, but another, second one) hand.  This hand will tell you the actual minutes after the hour the first hand is.

The third hand is the one that shows the actual seconds-as-in-unit-of-time, and is often not included.

You can google image "single hand watch" for examples of what an 'hours only' handed clock/watch look like. Sun dials are also single 'hand' clocks.

Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who has thought about two different meanings for the "second hand"! Maybe sunnygirl is right and it's some kind of geographic distinction, but here in the Midwest we are at the intersection of two different preferences. Kind of like how we say both "soda" and "pop." Usually I encounter this confusion when someone says, urgently, "What does the second hand read?!"  :-\ A little more pressure than requesting a carbonated beverage...

I'm from the Midwest and have never encountered first-second-third hands, only hour-minute-second. But soda/pop was a source of endless debate at my college, with a sizable minority coming in from the South and arguing that they're all Coke.
This might make some people's brains hurt - in the UK, we have no comparable word for soda/pop/coke etc. Maybe 'fizzy drinks' or 'soft drinks' though the latter also covers stuff like juice, tea, etc. Soda means soda water, pop means a genre of music, and coke means coca cola exclusively. I do wonder why we don't have a word for that, actually.

But if I was offering to get drinks for guests, and someone asked what "pop" I had, I wouldn't turn to my CD collection, I'd say I had "Coke, diet Coke, lemonade, juice and squash (or whatever)". 

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6845 on: February 01, 2013, 05:11:41 PM »
If it's not Diet Dr. Pepper, it doesn't matter anyway!  ;)
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6846 on: February 01, 2013, 06:12:09 PM »
My daughters are 4 and 6, so we've been working on learning time and referring to the hands a lot.  So today when I was working with my kids, I paid attention to the words I use.  :)  When I am trying to describe a hand and explain whether it is an hour or minute hand, I use "short" or "long."  So I'll say, "remember, this short hand is the hour hand."  I think saying "large" or "small" is confusing to little kids in this circumstance, because their language skills aren't quite up to the level of making the distinction between "large" meaning width versus height.  The length tends to be more obvious.  Also, the book we're using doesn't really draw the hour hand much fatter than the minute hand.  :)  But, anyway, when I'm talking about a hand and I'm not trying to describe it by size in order to establish which hand it is, I just say "hour" or "minute" hand.  I'd also say "second" hand for the one that counts the seconds, except that that one isn't covered in this book or at this level, generally.
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6847 on: February 01, 2013, 06:17:14 PM »
The second hand of a clock is the minutes hand (the long one). 

To tell time on a clock one only needs one hand, the hour hand.  At one o'clock it will be on the one.  As the hour progresses it nudges along towards the two.  You can roughly figure out how much after one it is simply by where the hour hand falls between the one and the two (only 1/4 of the way to two?  Its 1:15ish.  Just over halfway to two?  Its 1:38ish.  etc).  To be more precise in what time it is, many clocks/watches will add a second (as in not the first, but another, second one) hand.  This hand will tell you the actual minutes after the hour the first hand is.

The third hand is the one that shows the actual seconds-as-in-unit-of-time, and is often not included.

You can google image "single hand watch" for examples of what an 'hours only' handed clock/watch look like. Sun dials are also single 'hand' clocks.

Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who has thought about two different meanings for the "second hand"! Maybe sunnygirl is right and it's some kind of geographic distinction, but here in the Midwest we are at the intersection of two different preferences. Kind of like how we say both "soda" and "pop." Usually I encounter this confusion when someone says, urgently, "What does the second hand read?!"  :-\ A little more pressure than requesting a carbonated beverage...

I'm from the Midwest and have never encountered first-second-third hands, only hour-minute-second. But soda/pop was a source of endless debate at my college, with a sizable minority coming in from the South and arguing that they're all Coke.
This might make some people's brains hurt - in the UK, we have no comparable word for soda/pop/coke etc. Maybe 'fizzy drinks' or 'soft drinks' though the latter also covers stuff like juice, tea, etc. Soda means soda water, pop means a genre of music, and coke means coca cola exclusively. I do wonder why we don't have a word for that, actually.
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6848 on: February 01, 2013, 07:25:29 PM »
Here is something that makes my brain hurt, though it's probably my own fault: when people reference the "second hand" of a clock. Do they mean:

1) The hand that counts off 60 seconds in a minute, which is usually the thinnest hand and often red?
2) The hand that counts off 60 minutes in an hour, because it's the #2 hand, the hour hand being #1 and the red hand being #3? (According to the order in which you would give the time--hours, minutes, seconds--and also a sort of importance measure.)

With all of my qualifiers on #2, I'm guessing people are usually referring to #1. But apparently at some point in time I was taught with, "What number does the first hand say? What number does the second hand say?" and now I'm screwed up for life. Thank goodness for digital.  :P

This made my head hurt because my brain tends to mess with me when it comes to language.

In Danish the words for 2nd and for 1/60 minute are completely different - as in, have no similarity whatsoever.

So I read Lynn's post (and many of the subsequent posts as well...) as talking about the 2nd hand, and couldn't for the life of me understand why that would be the hand counting off the 1/60ths of a minute.

It wasn't until around Bexx' post that I caught on to it....

This whole discussion is making my head hurt. I don't think I have referred to the individual hands by name since when I was 6 (I think) and learning to tell time. People ask what time it is or how long past the hour (for minutes), not the position of the hands.

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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6849 on: February 01, 2013, 07:56:30 PM »
Here is something that makes my brain hurt, though it's probably my own fault: when people reference the "second hand" of a clock. Do they mean:

1) The hand that counts off 60 seconds in a minute, which is usually the thinnest hand and often red?
2) The hand that counts off 60 minutes in an hour, because it's the #2 hand, the hour hand being #1 and the red hand being #3? (According to the order in which you would give the time--hours, minutes, seconds--and also a sort of importance measure.)

With all of my qualifiers on #2, I'm guessing people are usually referring to #1. But apparently at some point in time I was taught with, "What number does the first hand say? What number does the second hand say?" and now I'm screwed up for life. Thank goodness for digital.  :P

This made my head hurt because my brain tends to mess with me when it comes to language.

In Danish the words for 2nd and for 1/60 minute are completely different - as in, have no similarity whatsoever.

So I read Lynn's post (and many of the subsequent posts as well...) as talking about the 2nd hand, and couldn't for the life of me understand why that would be the hand counting off the 1/60ths of a minute.

It wasn't until around Bexx' post that I caught on to it....

This whole discussion is making my head hurt. I don't think I have referred to the individual hands by name since when I was 6 (I think) and learning to tell time. People ask what time it is or how long past the hour (for minutes), not the position of the hands.

Hey, the terminology can be useful when the clock/watch is broken.  ;D "I looked up and suddenly the second hand was spinning around madly in circles..."

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« Reply #6850 on: February 01, 2013, 11:01:23 PM »
To add a third option, I was always taught the "big hand" (hour), the "little hand" (minute), and the second hand.  I distinctly remember seeing a clock with a second hand for the first time.  I'm sure they existed, but neither my parents or my schools had them.  I remember sitting in my doctor's office when I was 7 years old, already competent at telling time, and "discovering" the second hand.

All my life, when the "which hand is which" question has come up, someone always seems to say "When Micky's short hand points to three and Micky's long hand points to twelve, it's three o'Clock."
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« Reply #6851 on: February 01, 2013, 11:19:17 PM »
To add a third option, I was always taught the "big hand" (hour), the "little hand" (minute), and the second hand.  I distinctly remember seeing a clock with a second hand for the first time.  I'm sure they existed, but neither my parents or my schools had them.  I remember sitting in my doctor's office when I was 7 years old, already competent at telling time, and "discovering" the second hand.

All my life, when the "which hand is which" question has come up, someone always seems to say "When Micky's short hand points to three and Micky's long hand points to twelve, it's three o'Clock."

Yes, I've always known 'big hand' for minutes and 'little hand' for hours. Distressingly I still occasionally have to teach 12-13 year olds how to tell analogue time and they are fairly universally familiar with that nomenclature for the hands, so it's certainly common around here.
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Re: Exchanges with People that Make Your Brain Hurt
« Reply #6852 on: February 01, 2013, 11:45:54 PM »
I have heard long hand and short hand, now that I think of it. Just not big hand and little hand, for which I'm glad because the short/wide vs. long/narrow issue would have given me fits as a little kid.

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« Reply #6853 on: February 02, 2013, 01:42:23 AM »
I had to disable the clock on my computer screen when I was a librarian, because so many of my library kids (ages 10-17) refused to try to read the time off the analog clock on the wall and leaned over my desk to read the time on my screen instead.

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« Reply #6854 on: February 02, 2013, 03:10:59 AM »

This might make some people's brains hurt - in the UK, we have no comparable word for soda/pop/coke etc. Maybe 'fizzy drinks' or 'soft drinks' though the latter also covers stuff like juice, tea, etc. Soda means soda water, pop means a genre of music, and coke means coca cola exclusively. I do wonder why we don't have a word for that, actually.

Not quite true.  It may be a regional or an age thing, but as a child in the NE of England 40 years ago, I had pop.  It was the generic name for all soft drinks - cherryade, lemonade, coke.  I'll admit I haven't heard it since I moved away, so it may be completely regional.
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