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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2014, 05:55:23 PM »
She's not in the same league as so many described above, but my current boss has her quirks.  First, don't question her decisions.  You will get smacked down and she will remember you as a "disloyal, backstabbing employee."  Second, don't remind her of her previous decision when she reverses herself.  Bad, bad idea.  Third, above all, don't remind her that the second idea, the one that actually worked, was originally your idea.

When I started working here over 2 years ago, I was told that I would be updating our regulations (we are a government agency).  I was sent to training for this.  Step 1, according to the training, was to compile all the Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) currently in use at the agency and see how they align with the existing regulations.  Although the general public may not be aware of this, government regulations are supposed to guide the agency's actions.  If the SOPs don't support the regulations, one or both need to be changed.  I was told that this agency has no written SOPs.  Since then, Ms. Manager has pulled at least a dozen written SOPs out of her hat when someone was doing something "wrong."  Hard to know it's wrong if it's not written down and no one tells you.

I find it frustrating to find out that my manager is on vacation when I come in to work on the first day of her vacation and see on the "In/Out" board that she won't be coming back for a week and a half.  Apparently she doesn't think it is necessary to tell her workers that she is planning on being out of the office for an extended period of time in advance so that we can expedite letters/approvals that require her signature.

Last, but not least, it is bad form for a manager to talk stink about an employee behind their back to that employee's peers.  Unfortunately, the only way we know what she thinks of us is to hear it from our coworkers.
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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #136 on: July 22, 2014, 03:09:23 PM »
Reviving!

My worst boss isn't nearly in the same league as some of the nightmares above, but I worked for a company that made signs  and hired everyone for a 90-day probationary period before they started getting benefits.

For the first six weeks or so, things were fine. I was learning, things were going well --

and then suddenly I couldn't do anything right. "Carolina," my immediate supervisor, started yelling at me for every mistake I made, real or imagined. use an imaginative way of fitting all the wording on a sign? I get yelled at. Don't use an imaginative way to fit all the wording on a sign? Get yelled at. Not be able to suddenly do warehouse work when the sign work gets slow (even though I wasn't hired to do warehouse work and wasn't all that good at it)? I get yelled at. Go to the bathroom too much, or for too long? Get yelled at. Ask another employee a question -- you guessed it, get yelled at.

They fired me after the 89th day. I counted. The reason why? As Carolina gleefully recounted, I needed too much managing. (In some cases they were literally standing over my shoulder watching me. We were also using computers built somewhere in the Town of Bedrock, but that's a different issue.)

Talked to one of the other employees later and it turned out this was a pattern with the sign company. Unless you came in and absolutely blew them away with your genius -- in other words, if you were merely good -- they browbeat you, questioned your competence, and fired you to get as much work as they could out of you without having to give you benefits.

The place has been out of business now for over a decade.

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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #137 on: July 22, 2014, 06:35:38 PM »
This is not my bad boss.

The Smith family owned a business.  Many people from the Jones family worked at the Smith family business.  The members of the Jones family that worked there had helped the Smith family get the business off the ground when it was first opened by doing everything up to and including donating paychecks to buy supplies for the business.

The business had been open now for 30 years and it was close to time for the first Jones family employee to retire and start collecting the pension that he would get for being employed for 30 years (it was in his contract). Twenty-nine years and 364 days after his first date of employment he was fired.  No pension for him.

The business couldn't understand why every Jones quit the next day.


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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #138 on: July 22, 2014, 06:45:42 PM »
Wow, just wow.  ???
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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #139 on: July 22, 2014, 07:17:21 PM »
This is not my bad boss.

The Smith family owned a business.  Many people from the Jones family worked at the Smith family business.  The members of the Jones family that worked there had helped the Smith family get the business off the ground when it was first opened by doing everything up to and including donating paychecks to buy supplies for the business.

The business had been open now for 30 years and it was close to time for the first Jones family employee to retire and start collecting the pension that he would get for being employed for 30 years (it was in his contract). Twenty-nine years and 364 days after his first date of employment he was fired.  No pension for him.

The business couldn't understand why every Jones quit the next day.

Wow. Undo hopeful jones family is talking to a lawyer

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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #140 on: July 22, 2014, 11:50:40 PM »
Something similar to that happened to one of my aunts.  She'd worked for this company for close to 35 years, and she was considering retiring since she was 60 years of age - but no sooner had she put in the paperwork she was fired.  She sued the company and won. 

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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #141 on: July 23, 2014, 02:09:54 AM »
This is not my bad boss.

The Smith family owned a business.  Many people from the Jones family worked at the Smith family business.  The members of the Jones family that worked there had helped the Smith family get the business off the ground when it was first opened by doing everything up to and including donating paychecks to buy supplies for the business.

The business had been open now for 30 years and it was close to time for the first Jones family employee to retire and start collecting the pension that he would get for being employed for 30 years (it was in his contract). Twenty-nine years and 364 days after his first date of employment he was fired.  No pension for him.

The business couldn't understand why every Jones quit the next day.

Yeah, that's not suspicious at all... 



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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #142 on: July 23, 2014, 08:47:46 AM »
This is not my bad boss.

The Smith family owned a business.  Many people from the Jones family worked at the Smith family business.  The members of the Jones family that worked there had helped the Smith family get the business off the ground when it was first opened by doing everything up to and including donating paychecks to buy supplies for the business.

The business had been open now for 30 years and it was close to time for the first Jones family employee to retire and start collecting the pension that he would get for being employed for 30 years (it was in his contract). Twenty-nine years and 364 days after his first date of employment he was fired.  No pension for him.

The business couldn't understand why every Jones quit the next day.

Wow - I do hope they persue legal action. I would like to think they'd win, given the contract, AND timeframe.

I had the opposite happen to me, at my first job. I was let go, which I was happy about, maybe 2 weeks after my five years with them were up. I swear they waited until I was fully vested in my 401K. which turned out really well for me, as my company was being actively "courted" by two others, pushing the stock price way up.

I also get, when I retire, a small, miniscule pension from that job. Not much, maybe $150 a month but I'l ltake it.

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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #143 on: July 23, 2014, 08:58:15 AM »
I once was the assistant manager to an incredibly bad manager at the local DMV.  Besides the 2 of us, there were 7 clerks.  One day, I am helping on the counter and we were very busy.  I look around, and it is just me and only 2 clerks.  So I finish with my customer and then go looking for the staff.

There in the breakroom, Manager Helen is working on her daily report while she watches her favorite soap.  One clerk is seated at the table, eating.  The other 4 clerks are just standing around chatting.  I said, "Why are there only 2 clerks on the counter?"

The seated clerk said, "I'm on my scheduled break." 

I nodded, and then looked at the others.  "And the rest of you?"

One said, "Oh, I was looking for a hole punch."

"In the break room?"  Realizing that I had busted them, nothing else was said.  They headed back out to the counter.

Through this all, Helen continued to watch her soap, oblivious to everything around her.  Not once had she stopped to ask herself why she was surrounded by the majority of her staff just hanging out.

That was classic Helen.  A few years later, her close friend (and region manager) quit, and Helen immediately retired at only age 50.  She knew the new region manager would not put up with her incompetence.
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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #144 on: July 23, 2014, 09:47:30 AM »
I've had a couple:

1.) Working at a major university, Boss #1 was, umm, very alternative.  Whatever.  I didn't care that his two female roommates were his girlfriends.   No, I didn't report to Hugh Hefner.  I thought he was weird, but held my tongue.  After three years of 'meeting expectations' reviews (which was what the head office wanted for a bonus -- no one got exceeding), I got an unwarranted 'needs improvement' review.  My only peer, another female supervisor, got an amazing (and unwarranted) review.  Turns out Boss #1 now had a 3rd girlfriend.  (And, for the record, my female peer had hygiene issues!  She was super-smelly.)

2.)  At the same university, Boss #2 had come in after a reorganization had laid off Boss #1.  Well, I'm excited.  Boss #2 seems stable - happily married and wouldn't be hitting on my fellow supervisor (now a younger male employee (Arnie)).  Well, Arnie warned me.  He somehow knew that Boss #2 wanted to promote his employees into our roles.  Arnie gave his notice, with no job lined up, and was moving back to the Southwest.  I had to write 15 employee reviews thanks to Arnie's departure and the reorg.  My reward -- instead of a 'needs improvement' or 'meeting expectations' or heck, 'exceeding expectations' for doing 3 jobs, I got a BS probation review and NO bonus.  I called a couple recruiters and was gone in 6 months.

3.) My current job -- Background, I have 20 years experience in Widget Oversight Manager.  I had moved to be closer to family and desperately needed a job.  I saw a position some distance away for a Widget Oversight Manager, so I apply -- three interviews and a weird personality test AND - get a call that I'm too advanced for the role.  Three months later, the owner of the company calls and offers me a training role for the Widget Specialists at the lowest salary I'd accept.  I'm still unemployed, so I take it.  Then, I meet Larry, my boss, who works offsite (although I am not allowed to work from home even on days I've got doctor's appointments).  Larry should not be in Widget Oversight, but rather used car sales.  He promises the customers the world and doesn't have the staffing to back it up.  To promise a world wide company 24 x 7 agents for assistance, we'd need to hire staff for that.  Nope, he puts everyone on a pager rotation.  Now, some customers comment, "It's like I was waking up the agent".  That's because they are.  You can't expect happy agents if you are treating urgent care and day-to-day business as the same thing.   The funniest part though is that he doesn't have his personal Facebook page locked down.  An onsite agent at a major client (who will probably stop being a client in a couple of months) told me that when the client can't find Larry, they go on his FB page to see where he is.  Apparently, he's an over sharer on FB.  He coaches his kid's soccer during office hours, jogs and posts his time, takes a karate class during the day, and regularly leaves early on Fridays for happy hour or hunting/fishing trips with 'the boys'.  I've decided not to tell management that one -- especially since I'm losing my office this month for a job for which they aren't even interviewing currently.  (See my HR posts -- all I want is soap!)
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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #145 on: July 23, 2014, 12:52:42 PM »
I had one boss so bad it took five years and heavy counselling to deal with it.  Here is a mild story from that boss.  I was asked to create a visual presentation and was going to be supplied with the main component by the boss.  I prepped everything, asked for the piece I need and waited.  I did my regular tasks, a few other projects, asked again to a blank look with no comment and.....waited.  A few weeks pass and I can't finish the project so it appears that, after asking for weeks with actually no response whatsoever I assume it is shelved. My three month review came up and if I got excellent ratings in all categories I was to get a decent raise.  Want to guess what happens next? Because I did not complete the project in the specified time frame I did not get my raise.  Wonder how that happened.

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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #146 on: July 23, 2014, 02:23:08 PM »
Had to go track down the thing I wrote when our last CEO left.

This was YET another all staff meeting.  CEO and HR had decided that they were mandatory and would take roll. 
After the first on the agenda talked on and on, the CEO was next to speak.  Normally when he gets up, it is about budgets or some other items that he feels the need to start with at the beginning of time to present.  Usually with the same slide shows.  The Good News is that you can fill up your office bingo card(TM) with his talks. 

He stood up and started by saying that he had been to the board meeting last weekend and the early part of this week (well, yes we all knew that) and that at the meeting he had given them his resignation.  EVERY JAW DROPPED.  It isn't that he is well-loved, but none of us thought that he would leave voluntarily.  And perhaps he didn't choose to leave voluntarily, but still.

This had been awful time at the office under his reign.  And yes, he created a much better packet of benefits for us.  But overall, within the 6 years that he was at our office it was constant stress and just an unhappy place to work.  There are things that you can control and things that you can't control while working or running a company. Most of the things that were issues were actually of his makings.

*When CEO started, he brought in not only 4 VPs and some associate VPs but also some other cronies for the IT area.  One of the new IT guys acted like if you didn't have a degree in computer sciences, you were hopeless. He was a bully in general.  And frequently spoke in a condsending tone to people he thought were stupid (most everyone).  He also threw people under the bus for mistakes he made.  (Never got repremanded even when there was evidence he lied.  Boss' pet)   Mean IT guy left the company after 2-3 years complaining about working for dumb hicks. Then was confused with (the new) HR wouldn't hire him back.
 
Back to the CEO.
* About 2 year into his reign, he fired a dozen full time people and three part time folks with a Reduction In Force that he didn't even talk to the board or the VPs of departments.  Just people he felt were extra. Most were admin level and a few mid-level directors or managers.  The rest of the time he was here, you never knew if you would have a job at the end of the day or not.

* He made a big deal about keeping jobs "in-house" (it was the base to why he had doubled the IT dept). Yet shortly after the CEO's hired the business manager, our in-house warehouse (housed all our print materials) was moved out of state.  The reason was that they did our special order clothes and trinkets.  (our brochures and printed materials are the bulk our materials.) 

* When he started, he made a Huge deal about having an open door policy if you had problems.  Shortly after that comment, he said that he didn't want you to come in to him with problems if you didn't have a solution for the problem to present to him.   ??? 

* Without Board approval, CEO got rid of my department's VP (very popular VP with the board) and quickly hired a friend of his who had no background in our industry.  And worse yet.  Refused to bother to learn.  Instead of trying to learn, she would sit in meetings for less than a quarter of the time and wander off. 
 
* What seemed to be the final blow, the CEO (without Board approval - see a pattern?) tried to move our office to a space about half the size, horrible floor plan, and in a terribly inconvient part of town.  Not bad neighborhood, but in an industrial area that was awkard to get to. 
 And because there were only 6 office spaces, everyone would basically be sitting in a cube maze.  Not cool when the 8 department VPs and assistant VPs and all management team members were use to their own offices. (Basically everyone above admin staff level has a office, though a couple don't have doors.  Admin staff have areas in their team's hallway.) Plus no space for the art department or shipping area.

He created an atmosphere of conflict where conflict wasn't, since it made "you think clearer and be more of a team". 

When he announced his plans to leave, there was an audible sigh of relief in the room.


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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #147 on: July 23, 2014, 03:29:35 PM »
I think you showed admirable restraint in not standing up and cheering!  8)
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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #148 on: July 23, 2014, 04:17:48 PM »
I refer to my current Director as "The Waffle".  Here's her standard MO:

1.  Make a rule.
2.  Three months later, have a meeting to begin using the rule.
3.  Someone in the meeting will whine about not liking the rule.
4.  Rule applies to everyone except the person who whined.

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Re: Bad Bosses
« Reply #149 on: July 24, 2014, 05:48:00 AM »
I have two bad boss stories, although neither is quite as bad as some posted by the PPs (thank deity!).

Boss 1:

Boss 1 was a major procrastinator and would never get things done in a timely fashion. She would also make changes to current procedure, not tell me, and then chew me out when I failed to implement said changes.

On several occasions, I would send her the draft agenda for a meeting she was to chair, and then I would have to chase her to get the finalized version at the very last minute. She wouldn’t actually check the agenda, but if there was a typo or some other (minor) error, she would make sure to chastise me for it at the meeting in front of all the other attendees.

I finally snapped and reported her to HR after she changed a very important yearly deadline without telling me. I sent out a mass email giving the original date, at which point she phoned me and shouted at me for confusing everyone. I pointed out that she had never actually told me about the change, but this didn’t faze her; she just said I should have known about it.

To her credit, after HR spoke to her, she did get quite a lot better.

Boss 2:

Boss 2 was widely known in the company as a ‘difficult’ person. He had a particular dislike for a team from a different department (to be fair, it was mutual). I had to take minutes at a regular meeting between Boss 2, Sue (a member of the other department) and Steve (just another colleague). Just before the meeting, I received an email from one of Boss 2’s colleagues raising a matter that could potentially be resolved by Boss 2, Sue and Steve, so I printed out a copy and summarized the issue at the end of the meeting.

It transpired that the email was actually a very carefully veiled attack on Sue and her team.* Oops. As chair of the meeting, Boss 2 could have simply suggested that we not discuss the matter and then privately asked me not to bring up these things in future. Instead, he chose to follow up the points made in the email with a prolonged and direct verbal attack on Sue’s team and on Sue personally, which only ended when Sue politely excused herself and walked out of the room. At which point, Boss 2 rounded on me for bringing the email to the meeting and ‘upsetting people’.

Off I go to HR again... This time, I think I was helped by Steve, who was furious on my behalf, and Sue, who spoke up for me when she found out that Boss 2 was trying to blame me...

Boss 2 sent me a bunch of flowers and a written apology. The flowers were lilies with a particularly unpleasant, overpowering smell.  ;D

* With the benefit of hindsight, I should really have worked this out, but I showed the email to HR and they said there was no way they would have noticed the subtext.
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