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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2012, 01:21:12 PM »
Like, totally, dude....just ignore.

For future reference, Ivy League schools do look at language skills, such as capitalization, punctuation and word usage when considering applications.

I doubt someone who is in the running for valedictorian writes this way on her term papers. She already agreed to correct her form. It's not constructive to mock her style of speaking either. She's just a kid.

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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2012, 01:52:51 PM »
Like, totally, dude....just ignore.

For future reference, Ivy League schools do look at language skills, such as capitalization, punctuation and word usage when considering applications.

I doubt someone who is in the running for valedictorian writes this way on her term papers. She already agreed to correct her form. It's not constructive to mock her style of speaking either. She's just a kid.

A kid who wants to be valedictorian should be paying attention in class instead of fiddling with her phone! :P

OP, wishing you the best of luck dealing with this. Sometimes it helps to take five minutes to stop and really think about how you would feel were you in the other person's shoes.
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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2012, 01:54:32 PM »
Like, totally, dude....just ignore.

For future reference, Ivy League schools do look at language skills, such as capitalization, punctuation and word usage when considering applications.

I doubt someone who is in the running for valedictorian writes this way on her term papers. She already agreed to correct her form. It's not constructive to mock her style of speaking either. She's just a kid.

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I really don't see this forum as a place for kids. 

While I do commend a adolescent or young adult seeking to improve their own etiquette skills, I see her post as neither a story of bad etiquette or true etiquette advice seeking; but rather I see it as a teenager vent that would be best handled by her peer group, school, etc - as many have suggested.

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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2012, 01:57:51 PM »
Like, totally, dude....just ignore.

For future reference, Ivy League schools do look at language skills, such as capitalization, punctuation and word usage when considering applications.

I doubt someone who is in the running for valedictorian writes this way on her term papers. She already agreed to correct her form. It's not constructive to mock her style of speaking either. She's just a kid.

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I really don't see this forum as a place for kids. 

While I do commend a adolescent or young adult seeking to improve their own etiquette skills, I see her post as neither a story of bad etiquette or true etiquette advice seeking; but rather I see it as a teenager vent that would be best handled by her peer group, school, etc - as many have suggested.

While I certainly won't flame you for your opinion, I do disagree with it. There are a lot of topics on this forum which I frankly think are inane. Yet I don't question the right of those who post to post.

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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2012, 03:10:14 PM »
In fact, I think there are tons of adult applications to the lessons that the OP is learning. I beat out someone for a job, and I have to work with her. The work world, and the civic-organization world, and the adult-social-group world is full of situations like this.

We've absolutely seen her same question from older people, and it was NOT a vent, and it was a legitimate etiquette query.

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2012, 03:14:29 PM »
Like, totally, dude....just ignore.

For future reference, Ivy League schools do look at language skills, such as capitalization, punctuation and word usage when considering applications.

I doubt someone who is in the running for valedictorian writes this way on her term papers. She already agreed to correct her form. It's not constructive to mock her style of speaking either. She's just a kid.

I would hope that someone in the running for valedictorian would recognize the importance of presenting herself well to her teachers and to college acceptance boards, and tailor her wording appropriately. 

I would also think that the same candidate would recognize the importance of presenting herself well on an etiquette board.  Further, I would hope that she had looked into the board thoroughly enough to tailor her wording appropriately here as well.
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2012, 03:19:05 PM »
Can we all not pile on the newbie? Esp. in this scoldy way? Kids get enough of that from the people who ARE in authority over them.

Surely we can be collegial?

Oh, and OP: I had absolutely no trouble understanding what you were talking about, and I personally wasn't bothered by your lack of capitalization.

However, I thought I'd mention that people on this particular board aren't very flexible about capitalization, etc., whether the person they're correcting is a grownup or a teenager. And it is true that capital letters and punctuation make it much easier to comprehend the written word. Especially in any electronic medium, where people very much tend to skim, instead of reading.

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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2012, 03:20:38 PM »
Can we all not pile on the newbie? Esp. in this scoldy way? Kids get enough of that from the people who ARE in authority over them.

Surely we can be collegial?

Oh, and OP: I had absolutely no trouble understanding what you were talking about, and I personally wasn't bothered by your lack of capitalization.

However, I thought I'd mention that people on this particular board aren't very flexible about capitalization, etc., whether the person they're correcting is a grownup or a teenager. And it is true that capital letters and punctuation make it much easier to comprehend the written word. Especially in any electronic medium, where people very much tend to skim, instead of reading.

I wholeheartedly agree with this! I could understand the OP perfectly.

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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2012, 03:21:47 PM »
In fact, I think there are tons of adult applications to the lessons that the OP is learning. I beat out someone for a job, and I have to work with her. The work world, and the civic-organization world, and the adult-social-group world is full of situations like this.

We've absolutely seen her same question from older people, and it was NOT a vent, and it was a legitimate etiquette query.

POD. I'll also add that I wish I'd learned some of those same lessons earlier than I did. And if the OP can benefit from some of my wisdom (aka "things I learned the hard way"), I'm glad to share what I can with her.

Also, can we please stop talking about the OP like she's not here and can't read this? Some of the snide remarks are really bothersome to me. Seriously, guys...she's asking for help with a question that might well perplex an adult - and has, and some of you think the best approach is to sneer at her age and her writing style (which, by the way, she willingly took steps to improve when it was mentioned to her)?!

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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2012, 03:49:47 PM »
I certainly don't think we should limit this board by age. I also think the OP's issue is pertinent to this board and could occur among people of any age (minus the specific HS cheerleading setting). There are other teenage ehellions whose contributions are well-received. 

What I think people find jarring is the OP's odd writing style. Abbreviations such as "u" for "you" and failure to capitalize are normal if difficult to read (also, every computer or phone typing program I use capitalizes automatically at the start of a sentence - it seems like you have to go out of your way not to capitalize nowadays!). However, while there are many teenagers who speak in the stereotypical "teenspeak" the OP uses (I was one, in fact), I've never known any of them to write that way, even in conversational writing such as e-mail, instant messaging, or text. It's clear that bellacullen is a skilled writer, but it seems she's making a conscious effort to write like a stereotypical teenager speaks. Inserting "like" in random places is a verbal tic, similar to "uh," not something I would intentionally include (except for effect), KWIM?

This is not to criticize you, OP, as you seem intelligent and articulate. I definitely write conversationally rather than "properly" on ehell, but I also try as much as I can to eliminate unnecessary details (such as your long list of who called whom with a piece of gossip) and express myself clearly. My advice to get people to take you seriously and focus on your issue instead of your age is to write naturally. You can just say you're a high school student, you don't need to show it through your language.  :)

As to your question, take the high road and refuse to participate in the gossip.
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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2012, 04:11:43 PM »
Like, totally, dude....just ignore.

For future reference, Ivy League schools do look at language skills, such as capitalization, punctuation and word usage when considering applications.

I doubt someone who is in the running for valedictorian writes this way on her term papers. She already agreed to correct her form. It's not constructive to mock her style of speaking either. She's just a kid.

POD

A kid who wants to be valedictorian should be paying attention in class instead of fiddling with her phone! :P

OP, wishing you the best of luck dealing with this. Sometimes it helps to take five minutes to stop and really think about how you would feel were you in the other person's shoes.

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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2012, 04:38:01 PM »
WillyNilly - you brought up a good point. Coach told me after school but before practice. She announced it to the squad towards the end of practice. I did not at any time congratulate her or show any empathy for her. I just stood up and made my little speech about how happy I was and never even thought about her feelings. I guess that makes me a bad person/captain. :(

Nah, it just means you were caught up in everything else. I don't think you should have said anything in practice, but maybe afterwards?

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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2012, 04:42:09 PM »

A kid who wants to be valedictorian should be paying attention in class instead of fiddling with her phone! :P


Many schools in the US are on spring break this week, I find the assumption that she is replying in class to be..... uncharitable. 

I know we've been burned  by trolls and sockpuppets in the past on this board,  but it is NO to dismiss a legitimate etiquette questions simply because the poster has identified herself as a teen.  Or tell her to go away she is too young. It strikes me as exclusionary.  There have been several regular posters that have been on the board while in high school and through college that have contributed thoughtful points of view to several threads.

OP: There has been some really good advice given, don't act on your emotions (I know, tough to do :) )  Process some of this information and really think about it before you act.

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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2012, 04:43:37 PM »

A kid who wants to be valedictorian should be paying attention in class instead of fiddling with her phone! :P


Many schools in the US are on spring break this week, I find the assumption that she is replying in class to be..... uncharitable. 

I know we've been burned  by trolls and sockpuppets in the past on this board,  but it is NO to dismiss a legitimate etiquette questions simply because the poster has identified herself as a teen.  Or tell her to go away she is too young. It strikes me as exclusionary.  There have been several regular posters that have been on the board while in high school and through college that have contributed thoughtful points of view to several threads.

OP: There has been some really good advice given, don't act on your emotions (I know, tough to do :) )  Process some of this information and really think about it before you act.

She said herself that she was in class, it was not an assumption at all.
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Re: good news and bad news
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2012, 04:49:55 PM »
Can we all not pile on the newbie? Esp. in this scoldy way? Kids get enough of that from the people who ARE in authority over them.

Surely we can be collegial?

Oh, and OP: I had absolutely no trouble understanding what you were talking about, and I personally wasn't bothered by your lack of capitalization.

However, I thought I'd mention that people on this particular board aren't very flexible about capitalization, etc., whether the person they're correcting is a grownup or a teenager. And it is true that capital letters and punctuation make it much easier to comprehend the written word. Especially in any electronic medium, where people very much tend to skim, instead of reading.

I wholeheartedly agree with this! I could understand the OP perfectly.

I, too, had no trouble understanding her.  I simply have trouble taking her seriously because of her writing style, or lack thereof.  She presented herself very poorly to a group of people who expect a certain level of decorum.  A fact which is obvious if one reads even a minute fraction of postings.
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