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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2012, 09:51:43 AM »
She can't pay her rent, yet she's having a friend stay in your apartment for a WEEK?  I wouldn't go for that in any way, shape, or form.  No way.

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2012, 09:54:43 AM »
It's time to have a talk with her about her plans for rent. She doesn't need to know that her yoga and drinks comment is what prompted you to ask. Cuz it's not really about her activities, it's about you getting your rent money from her. Five weeks is enough time for you to check in with her to see how the job hunt is going, etc.
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2012, 09:57:37 AM »
Right now roommate has no money, and since you seem to be "no problem" she is treating it as no problem. You have to show more concern.

"Roommate, I would like to talk to you about your plan for paying back the rent you owe me.   I see you going out to yoga and drinks...now of course I have no idea if someone is paying for that for you or if you truly do have some cash to spend. If so, you need to put that toward your rent.  So what is your plan?  I expect you to pay next month's rent  and also include partial payment to make up for this month's.  You could pay it off 100 per month or could you swing 200?  "

Also, I am not sure where you live, but what is the procedure for getting someone else out of your apartment?  Is she on the lease or not?
Start thinking about how long you will let her go without paying.

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2012, 10:01:20 AM »
She can't pay her rent, yet she's having a friend stay in your apartment for a WEEK?  I wouldn't go for that in any way, shape, or form.  No way.

Yeah this is outrageous. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2012, 10:24:15 AM »
I think you are jumping to conclusions. You don't know how she is paying for yoga or drinks, so to assume yhat she is withholdding from you is a bit much. It is possible that she, before becoming destitute, paid for a course of classes. It is equally possible her friends want to take her out for drinks.

You do need to remind her she owes you money and set up a firm plan for repayment, regardless of.if she continues to live in the flat or set up an eviction date.



Is it really necessary for her to give up all luxuries because she owes you money?  (I would, but I have seen people give advice to the unemployed/broke to keep busy & have small treats so that they don't get depressed/discouraged) For example, if she thinks you are making a gift of the money, she has no reason to think that she needn't spend on other things.  Also, even if she knows it is a loan, that doesn't necessarily mean she should have to sit at home for a month and eat ramen until she's scraped up enough money to pay you

Yes, people should give up luxuries when they owe someone money.  Some luxuries are more or less impossible to give up temporarily (like a cell phone plan that has a contract or something), but going out for drinks with friends?  While just telling your roommate that you can't pay them?  Ludicrous.  People who owe a FRIEND money will be willing to make personal sacrifices to pay it back, unless they are just users.

I think it depends on the loan-- for a small loan (value depending on your group's definition of "small"), then yes, you give up luxuries until you can pay it all back. For a larger one, I'd suggest a payment plan for the benefit of both parties.

That way, the lender isn't stuck waiting for months on end because "I [borrower] said I'd pay you back when I could, and I can't yet!" and the borrower doesn't have to justify why every purchase is a necessity, as long as she's paid her agreed upon $100 (or whatever) a month.

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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2012, 12:15:23 PM »
Definitely talk to her, but I wouldn't bring up the yoga or drinks. Yoga and drinks aren't the issue - rent money is. If you bring up the yoga/drinks, the conversation might get sidetracked, so stick to the main issue.

Also, as others mentioned, we don't know what the situation is with the yoga and drinks. Yoga might be prepaid, and her friends may be treating for the drinks. The most luxurious vacation I ever took was a few weeks after my husband lost his job. It may have looked odd to others, but everything was pre-paid and nonrefundable. We could have stayed home, but we still would have been out the same amount of money.

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2012, 02:25:28 PM »
I hope this works out for you.

This is the sort of situation I dread (I just recently agreed to have a housemate after many fine single-living years).  And why our landlord has agreed to having us deal completely seperately with him (we mail seperate checks and our leases are distinct).

Something I was grateful for when two months after moving in she didn't have the money for rent  :-\ 

I'm beginning to think single-living was the way to go.

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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2012, 03:14:38 PM »
I think you are jumping to conclusions. You don't know how she is paying for yoga or drinks, so to assume yhat she is withholdding from you is a bit much. It is possible that she, before becoming destitute, paid for a course of classes. It is equally possible her friends want to take her out for drinks.

You do need to remind her she owes you money and set up a firm plan for repayment, regardless of.if she continues to live in the flat or set up an eviction date.



Is it really necessary for her to give up all luxuries because she owes you money?  (I would, but I have seen people give advice to the unemployed/broke to keep busy & have small treats so that they don't get depressed/discouraged) For example, if she thinks you are making a gift of the money, she has no reason to think that she needn't spend on other things.  Also, even if she knows it is a loan, that doesn't necessarily mean she should have to sit at home for a month and eat ramen until she's scraped up enough money to pay you

Yes, people should give up luxuries when they owe someone money.  Some luxuries are more or less impossible to give up temporarily (like a cell phone plan that has a contract or something), but going out for drinks with friends?  While just telling your roommate that you can't pay them?  Ludicrous.  People who owe a FRIEND money will be willing to make personal sacrifices to pay it back, unless they are just users.

I think it depends on the loan-- for a small loan (value depending on your group's definition of "small"), then yes, you give up luxuries until you can pay it all back. For a larger one, I'd suggest a payment plan for the benefit of both parties.

That way, the lender isn't stuck waiting for months on end because "I [borrower] said I'd pay you back when I could, and I can't yet!" and the borrower doesn't have to justify why every purchase is a necessity, as long as she's paid her agreed upon $100 (or whatever) a month.

I can agree with this.

The problem is that the roommate has paid nothing from what I can tell.  Nor has she offered to do so. 

So sure, if she wants to say "I'll give you $x per paycheck until it gets paid back", that's one thing, if the OP is willing to accept that.  But when you've given absolutely zero toward your debt, it's not exactly the wisest idea to spend money in front of the person you owe the money to.  I don't know why so many people are assuming that her friends are the ones buying her drinks...I mean I guess anything is possible, but I think it's a far bigger assumption to assume that they are than to assume that they are not.

So while I may not actually say "if you have money for drinks you should have paid me the rent" I WOULD have a conversation with her immediately telling her that I needed her to pay it back ASAP and she needs to tell me her plan for doing so.  And that conversation would be, if in my mind only, prompted by her spending money on drinks without even bothering to have a conversation with me about when I'll be getting my money back.  If she balked at giving me a payment plan with a timeline, there's the door.  OP, don't let someone absue your generosity.
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2012, 08:28:24 PM »
POD the others who have said not to mention the yoga and drinks.  Sit her down and tell her that you need to work out a payment plan for the outstanding rent.  It's very nice of you to help her out, but you are now starting to feel a bit of resentment, and trust me, that feeling will just bubble and eat at you until you burst - ok, that's what happened to me, but it might affect you the same way. 

Also, this guest she is having stay for a week - did she clear this with you first?  While you are sitting down with her, ask her how the utilities and other expenses should be split while her guest is there.  Have a pen and paper with you during this chat to write amounts and dates down.  Maybe she is a nice person, but if you don't raise this with her, she definitely won't.  Why should she when you are letting her?  Don't let yourself be taken advantage of.
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Re: "Hey. I can't pay you the rent money I owe you...
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2012, 10:17:14 PM »
Question: is this a personal loan from you to her (like you paid the landlord on her behalf) or are you the landlord (like it's your place and she pays you rent)?  I think that would impact my approach...more personal vs. business.

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2012, 05:51:56 AM »

Yeah, if you have lost your job and you are already a month behind in rent, yoga class and going out for drinks are things that you have to give up for the time being.  I wouldn't use that when discussing with her, but you need to talk to her now, and make it clear that you will not be covering the next month's rent - she needs to come up with the money, or move out.

As others have said, a lot depends on the exact situation - are you her landlord, do you have a joint lease, can you legally kick her out or do  you have to follow formal eviction procedures (or does your landlord). This varies wildly from place to place. Best case scenario, you can kick her out and change the locks if you want to. Medium case - formal eviction notice, and a certain time period before she leaves. Worst case - you have to default on the lease and move to a new apartment to get rid of her.

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2012, 07:29:17 AM »
You see, I've always been of the opinion that when you lend a friend money, you don't as a result have the right to micromanage their finances until they pay you back.  However, I usually also expect clear terms from the beginning which aren't present in the current story.  When I used the words "luxuries"  in this case, I meant anything that isn't the cheapest possible option.  As an example:  this friend is out of the house running errands, gets really hungry - I don't think she should have to stay hungry until she gets home rather than buy a snack because her friend told her they'd work something out for rent this month.  Again, what is happening here is a little different, but at the same time, I think the OP's failure to make her expectations clear is what is making the situation more difficult.  I say that because I've seen a situation where something similar happened.

My uncle filed for bankruptcy and had a wife and 3 small children.  He was losing his first house and couldn't qualify for another loan with his bad financial history.  My dad sat him down and told him - I will put the down payment out on a house that we pick out together and the loan will be in my name.  Every month you will put money in this account which I will use to pay the mortgage.  You cannot miss any payments.  If there are exigent circumstances, like you lose another job or there are medical problems, you can pay a larger amount the next month that you are able to make up for it."  Key things 1) Dad could afford to pay the payments himself if Uncle pulled a nutty on him 2) He and my mom made an agreement between the two of them that as long as the payments were made, it was none of their business what my Uncle and his wife spent money on (they had extravagant habits for their income).  Shortly after this was put in place, my dad's resolve was tested - he hears that my uncle is buying tickets to go to India for a month for his wife?  Dad didn't say a word.  Uncle buys his kids an expensive gaming system?  Dad didn't say a word.  End of the month when the mortgage money was paid in full?  Clapped Uncle on the back with pride. 

I guess here I was applying this approach since it appears that OP never told the friend how or when she wanted the money - so we don't know that the friend is actually defaulting on the loan in favor of fun things.  Maybe she is cutting costs elsewhere, maybe she doesn't think she does have to pay OP back - and OP, when you talk to her, if you are setting up a payment schedule, don't tell her you don't need the money otherwise it undermines your position that you ought to be paid - unless the OP said, I need this by the end of the June and come July 1st she is unable to pay you, I don't think you can say just yet that she is dodging her responsibilities.
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Re: "Hey. I can't pay you the rent money I owe you...
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2012, 06:21:49 PM »
New development. She has decided to move back to her home town and live with her parents. She gave me half of what was owed and I didn't push the issue as there was just no point. She simply doesn't have the money. There are no bad feelings as I know she would pay the rest but she just simply doesn't have it. I do feel bad for her as she has had a rough time of it lately with things not working out as planned through no fault of her own.

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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2012, 06:29:34 PM »
New development. She has decided to move back to her home town and live with her parents. She gave me half of what was owed and I didn't push the issue as there was just no point. She simply doesn't have the money. There are no bad feelings as I know she would pay the rest but she just simply doesn't have it. I do feel bad for her as she has had a rough time of it lately with things not working out as planned through no fault of her own.

i hope she's moving before she hosts a guest in your place, which you will have to pay for?

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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2012, 06:33:08 PM »
New development. She has decided to move back to her home town and live with her parents. She gave me half of what was owed and I didn't push the issue as there was just no point. She simply doesn't have the money. There are no bad feelings as I know she would pay the rest but she just simply doesn't have it. I do feel bad for her as she has had a rough time of it lately with things not working out as planned through no fault of her own.

i hope she's moving before she hosts a guest in your place, which you will have to pay for?

They are both on a course which finishes today. The friend is lovely and I really don't mind having people to stay. She would just have been sitting by herself in a hotel room and this way they could do their course work together in the evenings.