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Good sewing machine for beginners?
« on: June 17, 2012, 09:03:42 PM »
I have been wanting to turn a lot of my t shirts into tank tops, so I started doing that recently. I have found a few videos for doing this without the use of a sewing machine, but the one that I like the most does require a sewing machine. I ruled this one out because I don't own a sewing machine.

I went to WalMart to get some supplies and I noticed their sewing machines. I couldn't purchase one, because I hadn't asked my DH yet and I couldn't ask my DH because I hadn't actually completed any shirts yet.

I did purchase the handheld Stitch Sew Quick by Singer and have completed a couple of shirts with it. I have read reviews that the stitch isn't very good with this machine, but I had never used a sewing machine before, so I can't tell the difference.

I would like to buy an actual sewing machine now. I have a lot of shirts and there are other crafts that I want to tackle.

Does anyone have any advice? What kind of sewing machine is the best for beginners? I don't want something insanely expensive, because my DH will never approve that purchase. I have a habit of starting a hobby and then growing bored of it very quickly and he knows this better than anyone.

Any sewing advice at all is also appreciated.

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 09:26:53 PM »
You can get an older machine with more bells & whistles (and a metal body - which is sturdier) than the new machines, if you go to a sewing machine store and ask about used machines (much like cars, sewing machines can be traded in - but only at "the dealers'!").

There may also be machines that have been brought in for repairs & never picked up.  The other failing on the very newest cheaper "entry level" sewing machines is that not all of them are made to be repairable............which really hurts the pocket book if a "student sewer" does something that breaks a machine that isn't easy to repair..........

I've done a few things in my forty-odd years of sewing that had me kicking myself in the backside because I was going to have to spend the money on a repair.  Having to buy a new machine would have had me kciking myself for about three times as long........

Where are you located?  Someone in the same area might have tips on where to go first.



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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 09:34:43 PM »
I love my basic Bernina. You're in VA, right? There's a G Street Fabrics in Centreville and Falls Church. They sell machines, and they also teach sewing classes. When you buy a machine from them they run an introduction to your machine session, where you learn all the basic stuff like how the bobbin goes in and where the on switch is, plus what all the different stitches on your machine are. Mine was about $300, I think, and it works for all the stuff I want to do.

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 09:48:28 PM »
I've heard mixed reviews on sewing machines bought at Walmart.  Some people have no trouble; and some people have nothing but trouble.  I sew daily (being retired helps!) mostly quilts and home decor, but some clothing too.   The general consensus of opinion among people who sew is that a higher end older model is better than a new cheap one.  There really is a difference.  The most important thing in a machine is that it holds its tension.  This is by far the most common complaint about the low end machines.  A zigzag is nice to have, but fancy stitches aren't that useful.  You really should try a machine before you buy, because some machines just won't suit you.  I have a Pfaff that's a nice machine, but I never bonded with the thing and I'm going to gift it to my future daughter-in-law.  I think right now Janomes give the best value for the money.  Singer went through a very bad patch starting in the 70s and 80s, but they've cleaned up their act a bit lately.  Old Singers are great machines.   Berninas are nice but can be pricey, even used.  I have a Bernina 1090s bought in 1995 that I will never part with.   Higher end Brothers are good too.

Try to find a sewing machine store.  They will have used machines that they've taken in trade.  A lot of women (and men - they sew too!) trade in perfectly good machines in order to get the newest bells and whistles.  They should let you try the machines and they can advise you about threads and needles (important to change them regularly, and to use the right needle for the right job).  They often give sewing classes too.  Good luck!

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 10:11:07 PM »
I had a basic Singer that I bought at WalMart, and it was a righteous piece of junk.  I paid to have it fixed once...cost as much as the machine did new...and finally freecycled it.  I then found a machine on freecycle, from a man who took up sewing machine repair as a retirement hobby.  It's an early 1960's Sears Kenmore, very basic, and I love it.  It's all metal and runs like a champ.

Someday I'll invest in a good new machine, but for a new sewer I would second the advice of going to a sewing machine repair shop and looking at their older machines.  You definitely want an all metal body, and if you're (at this point) just doing basic projects, you don't really need a lot of features.

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 10:23:50 PM »
I had a basic Singer that I bought at WalMart, and it was a righteous piece of junk.  I paid to have it fixed once...cost as much as the machine did new...and finally freecycled it.  I then found a machine on freecycle, from a man who took up sewing machine repair as a retirement hobby.  It's an early 1960's Sears Kenmore, very basic, and I love it.  It's all metal and runs like a champ.

Someday I'll invest in a good new machine, but for a new sewer I would second the advice of going to a sewing machine repair shop and looking at their older machines.  You definitely want an all metal body, and if you're (at this point) just doing basic projects, you don't really need a lot of features.


Yes - I once had a sewing-instructor recommend Kenmore as good, basic machines (this is in Canada, I don't know whether there's a difference in US Sears stores).  A beginner needs a machine that does a variety of stitches (such as zigzag and buttonholing) without having 100 bells-and-whistles settings that will be completely overwhelming.

I used my mother's old Elna for a long time, but when I was making thick towel-sport-jackets (in class) for my sons, the thickness was just too much for old Elna, and I had to use my teacher's up-to-the-minute Husqvarna to finish the projects.  It worked fine, but somehow I found the idea of using a sewing machine made by a company that also makes chain-saws to be rather frightening...

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2012, 11:55:05 PM »
I sewed for many years on a 1950's era straight stitch Singer 301.  That machine could handle all sorts of abuse, but it couldn't zigzag, and the buttonholes were so painful that I preferred to do them by hand.  Or eliminate them by any other method possible.  I bought the equivalent of about a $100 machine today... a mechanical that did zigzag and blindhem and a few other useful stitches.  That machine sounded like a bucket of bolts falling off the back of a truck, and never did stitch very well.  In fact, I found that I really disliked having to sew on a machine that had every symptom of hating me.  When the main gear decided to split while I was hemming jeans, I nearly cried with relief.  Completed garments from that machine were about $10 each, dividing the cost of the machine by the number of garments.  In addition, you cannot get repair parts for many of the cheapest machines -- they are considered disposable.

I was going to buy another mechanical machine, as I was worried the electronic machines would be unrepairable as parts became obsolete.  The family engineer persuaded me to at least try some electronic machines, and I fell in love with the precision and the fact that you get full needle punching force even at very slow speeds, something a mechanical machine with a standard motor cannot do.  I wound up buying what is now equivalent to the Viking Emerald series, and it's been a great machine for the last 15+ years.  Amortized cost of the machine for completed garments and quilts is less than $1.
Machine lust hit again this winter when I saw the buttonholes made by a Juki F-600 and one followed me home... it's even more precise and more versatile than the Viking.

I'd advise you to find the best sewing machine dealers around and see what they can offer in your price range, new and used.  While you're trying out machines, ask them to demonstrate buttonholes -- bad machines do not make good buttonholes -- and bring along scraps from your t-shirts and any other sorts of fabric you might want to work with in the future, and try.  Also bring a fine Sharpie so you can write the machine make and model on the samples.  Just in the process of trying machines, you're going to learn a lot. 

You may also find someplace that offers sewing lessons on their machines... that's another good way to learn what you like and dislike in a machine.

Of the new, lower end machines right now, my vote goes to Janomes and Jukis as the most for your money.  The beginners I've helped with Janomes have had far fewer problems learning their machines than the ones with Brothers and Singers.  Juki is a Japanese manufacturer that doesn't advertise much in this country, but I've sewn with their basic mechanical, and it was a pretty solid little machine.  Janome is another Japanese manufacturer; they do a lot of machines for a lot of other companies -- Kenmore is Janome in disguise now, and so, I think, are the Husky series of Vikings.  I'm not sure who makes the Bernette line for Bernina -- I think it's Juki (they do Bernina's sergers), but it may be Janome.

Don't evaluate a machine on the basis of stitches per dollar spent; the stitches you'll use most are straight stitch, zigzag (4 mm width is fine, more than that is gravy), blindhem and stretch blindhem (learn how! it'll
save you hours and hours!), maybe some triple zigzag (=tricot stitch), which looks like big zigzags with each zig and zag made of three small straight stitches, and some form of buttonhole that doesn't drive you nuts.  Freehanding buttonholes with a zigzag sewing machine can be done, but it's a lot easier if there's some sort of automation -- 1 step or 2 step or 4 step.  I would not care much whether or not it's got an automatic needle threader -- you can't use them on smaller size needles, and they're usually the first thing to break -- but I would like to see adjustable presser foot pressure (which gets you out of some fabric feeding problems) and a variety of presser feet that are not going to cost you an arm and a leg.  The old short shank feet are often very cheap, and many of the Japanese snap on feet are not all that costly.  On the contrary, some of the European manufacturers' proprietary feet may cost an arm and a leg.  <g>

Stay away from the "mini" machines -- they just don't have enough structure to stitch well or for long, and the ones that are "battery operated".  The Janome Jem series are decent little machines if a compact, lightweight machine is a must for you. 

If you were my neighbor and wanted a new machine, inexpensive but good, these are the sorts we'd probably look at first:
http://content.janome.com/index.cfm/Machines/Retired/Magnolia_7312
http://content.janome.com/index.cfm/Machines/Sewing-Quilting/Magnolia_7318
http://www.jukihome.com/products/hzl_27z.html

If you wanted a used machine, we'd probably be looking for Bernina, Elna, Janome, Juki, Pfaff, Viking (in alphabetical order), and Singer before 1970.

Try some machines above your price point, too... that will help you decide if you want the new basic Chevy or the used Rolls Royce.

If I had to pick a machine that would still be sewing in the 22nd century, I'd probably pick an old Singer or Elna straight stitcher.  However, they are not terribly user friendly for beginners -- you need to remember to thread with the thread uptake lever (the nodding donkey thing) all the way up, and they have some strong opinions about the way things have to be done.  I've let beginners work on my electronic machines while I've untangled whatever mess they've produced, and every one of them has found the electronics  easy to work on. I won't let them touch my old Singer 15-91 unless they've sewed on older machines before -- it's just too persnickety to turn them loose on with no instruction. The downside of the electronic and computerized machines are that most will have a lifespan of under 25 years, and the required (supposedly yearly) adjustments are about $80 around me, while servicing mechanical machines runs about $50. 

If you had only $20 to spend, we'd be hitting the garage sales for a Singer 15, 66, 99 or 201; I can usually find them for about $10 or so that way.  They are vastly overbuilt, and if they haven't rusted solid, you can fix them yourself with the help of the yahoo group "wefixit" or others.

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2012, 11:58:17 PM »
I used my mother's old Elna for a long time, but when I was making thick towel-sport-jackets (in class) for my sons, the thickness was just too much for old Elna, and I had to use my teacher's up-to-the-minute Husqvarna to finish the projects.  It worked fine, but somehow I found the idea of using a sewing machine made by a company that also makes chain-saws to be rather frightening...

Just so you know, Husquvarna Viking sewing machines split off from Husqvarna the chain saw and weapons manufacturer quite a while ago.  <g>

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 05:40:14 AM »
I would second the idea of a Janome machine - that's what I use, I paid £35 second hand (not sure how much that is in USD but I would think around $50). I mostly make dresses and bags and normally the stitches are good. Occasionally I manage to tangle the thread but it's very easy to sort it out, cut it off and start again. I used to have an older metal-body Brother which needed a lot more care but I think that was due to age and my husband dropping it.

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 09:31:06 AM »
My most recent (okay, it's 18 years old) Sears Kenmore is a Janome.  I like it a lot.  The old sewing machine before it was a Kenmore that was identical to a Singer (1980s machine).  The one before that was a wedding prsent and did straight stitch & zig-zag - I sometimes miss THAT machine - I gave it to a SIL who uses it a couple of times a year for mending......). 

A good straight stitch and a zig-sag will get most sewing done (you can sew knits with a short, narrow zig-zag, if there isn't a "stretch stitch" on the machine).  I have to admit that more stitches are more fun - but they also seem to be a way for more things to go wrong.



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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 11:29:22 AM »
My most recent (okay, it's 18 years old) Sears Kenmore is a Janome.  I like it a lot.  The old sewing machine before it was a Kenmore that was identical to a Singer (1980s machine).  The one before that was a wedding prsent and did straight stitch & zig-zag - I sometimes miss THAT machine - I gave it to a SIL who uses it a couple of times a year for mending......). 

A good straight stitch and a zig-sag will get most sewing done (you can sew knits with a short, narrow zig-zag, if there isn't a "stretch stitch" on the machine).  I have to admit that more stitches are more fun - but they also seem to be a way for more things to go wrong.

Amen to the above.  I purchased my Janome back in 1995 and it still runs like a champ.  It has a million stitches, but that just means more opportunity for "operator error" in my case.  I just bought a Baby Lock serger (self-threading with air feed) and, so far, it seems well made and sturdy.

My parents bought a Singer for me back in 1972 and that thing was a piece of junk.  I ended up smashing it one night when I was working on a school project.  I would adjust the tension, sew a seam, then it would lose tension by the next seam.  So I killed it with a pair of those old black-handled scissors.

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2012, 12:00:00 PM »
kkl123 said everything I was going to say, so I'll just POD her.  :)

If you can find one, I highly recommend a Janome L-108 or TB12 as a first machine.  The L-108 was around in the late 90s, and the TB12 was the late 00's revamped version, and both are very easy to use and provide good value.  I still have my L-108 (mainly because it's my only freearm machine) and it's working just fine, I just use a combo of a Janome MC6600P for my quilting and an old Pfaff 130 for my piecing.

Do NOT buy a new Singer machine, and especially not from WalMart - they are generally crap, poorly designed, and not well built.  I've also heard lots of reviews that the low-end Brother machines are finicky and poorly made as well.  Expect to spend about $250-$400 for a good quality sewing machine, as anything cheaper (unless it's used) will likely be crap, and anything more expensive will likely be more than you need right now. 

Good luck and have fun!

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 12:07:53 PM »
I have a Kenmore that I bought about 10 years ago.  Unfortunately, you'd have to go to Sears to get one, but if you're as lucky as me, you will never have a problem with it.

It's a basic sewing machine that has the ability to do buttonholes, and a lot of different kinds of stitches.  The thing to remember when working on T-shirt material is that you absolutely MUST have a stretch stitch.  Don't buy anything that doesn't, at the very least, have the ability to do stretch stitches.  That will save your sanity when making your tank tops from old T-shirts.  You will also be able to recondition old swimsuits, too!


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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2012, 12:19:03 PM »
kkl123 said everything I was going to say, so I'll just POD her.  :)

If you can find one, I highly recommend a Janome L-108 or TB12 as a first machine.  The L-108 was around in the late 90s, and the TB12 was the late 00's revamped version, and both are very easy to use and provide good value.  I still have my L-108 (mainly because it's my only freearm machine) and it's working just fine, I just use a combo of a Janome MC6600P for my quilting and an old Pfaff 130 for my piecing.

Do NOT buy a new Singer machine, and especially not from WalMart - they are generally crap, poorly designed, and not well built.  I've also heard lots of reviews that the low-end Brother machines are finicky and poorly made as well.  Expect to spend about $250-$400 for a good quality sewing machine, as anything cheaper (unless it's used) will likely be crap, and anything more expensive will likely be more than you need right now. 

Good luck and have fun!

I second this.  I had an older Brother that I gave away (for which I kicked myself) and bought a new Brother from Walmart.  While it's not too bad, the older one was better.  Plus, this one is made of plastic.  However...I inherited a low-end Bernina from my aunt, and that's replacing the Brother.  My sister is a prolific quilter, and she took my aunt's Bernina quilting machine.  It's nice to know a good machine got a good home.

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Re: Good sewing machine for beginners?
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2012, 04:25:12 PM »
Thanks for the advice, everyone!

I'm looking at Craigslist right now, because I don't have a vehicle until tomorrow, and then I can go to the sewing machine store.

What I am confused about is that everyone on Craigslist claims to have good working "antique" sewing machines for very little money. Think like, 40-50 dollars. This seems extremely low for what they claim to have. I don't know anything about these machines, so I can't really tell, but it would be helpful if I did.

Also, what's a cabinet? Some of these machines come with a cabinet. Are these machines built into the Cabinet?