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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #360 on: October 09, 2012, 10:18:51 AM »
I often see people write standing "on line" instead of "in line."  To me that makes no sense.  The line is something you stand in, not on.  I don't think it's possible to stand on a line of people.  I've seen Americans use this phrase as well as non-Americans. 

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #361 on: October 09, 2012, 03:04:13 PM »
Two things that are pretty much the same thing: those are "one and the same."

"One in the same" doesn't even make SENSE.
Words mean things.

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #362 on: October 09, 2012, 03:24:39 PM »
I often see people write standing "on line" instead of "in line."  To me that makes no sense.  The line is something you stand in, not on.  I don't think it's possible to stand on a line of people.  I've seen Americans use this phrase as well as non-Americans.

I usually hear this from my friends who grew up in the New York/New England region.  One of them told me that when she was young and going to public elementary school, each class would have to line up on a parking lot line in the morning before being led into school by the teachers.  This was her explanation for "standing on line."  I don't know if it's one of those word origins that's been made up to fit the phrase, but it's what she told me . . .

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #363 on: October 09, 2012, 03:39:31 PM »
I don't believe this has been mentioned yet -

She called me out of my name -- meaning

She called me a name.

First one makes NO sense, second one says it exactly. Can't figure it out.

I believe that "She called me out of my name" means "She called me something other than my correct name" with the implication that she did it deliberately to be disrespectful.
 
So, "She called me out of my name" could mean--
"She called me a stupid git"
or
"She called me Bobby when she knows I prefer Robert."


As for "standing on line"--I grew up in New York, and we indeed said "on line" instead of "in line." This was way before the Internet and the whole idea of doing things "on line" (on a network). I have no idea where it came from, though.
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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #364 on: October 09, 2012, 06:06:59 PM »
I often see people write standing "on line" instead of "in line."  To me that makes no sense.  The line is something you stand in, not on.  I don't think it's possible to stand on a line of people.  I've seen Americans use this phrase as well as non-Americans.

I usually hear this from my friends who grew up in the New York/New England region.  One of them told me that when she was young and going to public elementary school, each class would have to line up on a parking lot line in the morning before being led into school by the teachers.  This was her explanation for "standing on line."  I don't know if it's one of those word origins that's been made up to fit the phrase, but it's what she told me . . .

I grew upon Massachusetts and always said "in line" as did everyone else I knew.  It was not until I met my NYC raised boyfriend that I ever heard anyone say "on line." It sounded so wrong and, you are right, Shoo, it makes no sense.  I tried to break him of it to no avail. I married him anyway.  He still says it his way and I say it mine. 

I suspect this started out being regional and spread.  I hear a lot of people say it now. 

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #365 on: October 10, 2012, 08:56:54 AM »
'In line' and 'on line' do seem to be regional things. 

Along the same lines, in some areas people 'fill out a form'.  In others they 'fill out a form'. 

Most New Yorkers I know 'stand on line to fill out a form'.
And here we queue.

Ps you've got the same phrase twice there.

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #366 on: October 10, 2012, 09:07:26 AM »
'In line' and 'on line' do seem to be regional things. 

Along the same lines, in some areas people 'fill out a form'.  In others they 'fill out a form'. 

Most New Yorkers I know 'stand on line to fill out a form'.
And here we queue.

Ps you've got the same phrase twice there.

I fixed that, thank you.

BTW, I understand that 'filling in a form' is the standard in Australia. 

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #367 on: October 10, 2012, 01:34:10 PM »
I have an acquaintance from the Midwest who says things happen "on accident." I've always heard/said "by accident."

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #368 on: October 10, 2012, 01:35:45 PM »
I'm from northwestern PA; I say both "by accident" and "on accident", depending on the rest of the sentence.

"I did it on accident."
"It happened by accident."

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #369 on: October 11, 2012, 06:08:26 AM »
My current grammar pet peeve is the use of the word 'whereby', which seems to have become the word of choice for radio presenters in the UK.

Whereby means 'because of which' or 'as a result of which', but it's constantly being used as a synonym for 'in which' - so for example 'This is a situation whereby person X is doing Y...'

It drives. me. nuts. For goodness' sake, if you're determined to use a complicated word to try to sound clever, get it right!

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Gyburc who shouts at the radio quite a lot.  ;D

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #370 on: October 11, 2012, 08:51:52 AM »
'In line' and 'on line' do seem to be regional things. 

Along the same lines, in some areas people 'fill out a form'.  In others they 'fill out a form'. 

Most New Yorkers I know 'stand on line to fill out a form'.
And here we queue.

Ps you've got the same phrase twice there.

I fixed that, thank you.

BTW, I understand that 'filling in a form' is the standard in Australia.
Actually both sound plausible to me. Perhaps I fill it in more than out.

Victoria

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #371 on: October 11, 2012, 09:40:34 AM »
My current grammar pet peeve is the use of the word 'whereby', which seems to have become the word of choice for radio presenters in the UK.

Whereby means 'because of which' or 'as a result of which', but it's constantly being used as a synonym for 'in which' - so for example 'This is a situation whereby person X is doing Y...'

It drives. me. nuts. For goodness' sake, if you're determined to use a complicated word to try to sound clever, get it right!

signed,

Gyburc who shouts at the radio quite a lot.  ;D

Along the same lines, people who use "wherefore" to mean "where"; it means "why".

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #372 on: October 11, 2012, 11:36:21 AM »
For awhile, I'm not sure why, when referring to a king-making ceremony, the trend was to refer to the process as "coronating

"Edward Eighth soon abdicated/So George the sixth was coronated"

A line from a poem helping you to remember the order of the Kings of England/GB beginning "Willy, Willy, Harry,Ste, Harry, wingadingdingy, John, Harry three...."etc.

Have just noticed this post -- can't resist chiming in, re the splendid rhyme for remembering the order of English / British monarchs. The version I learned, avoids near its end, awkwardly contrived verbs -- very much at the expense of metre:

"Edward the Seventh and George Five,
 Then Edward 8, George 6, and Elizabeth-the-Second-who's-still-alive."

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #373 on: October 14, 2012, 09:39:07 AM »
I remember the old trick for memorizing the dynasties in what is now the UK.

'No Plan Like Yours To Study History Wisely'.

Norman
Plantagenet
Lancaster
York
Tudor
Stuart
Hanover
Windsor

Hey, it works. 


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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #374 on: October 14, 2012, 10:48:18 AM »
Harry, wingadingdingy, John, Harry three...."etc.

I love the filters adjusting the name of Richard 1 to wingadingdingy. the poem later refers to Edward 1V and  whingadingdingy the Bad (Richard III). However, it lets the post get away with the word Willy, which in the UK means the same thing as wingadingdingy.