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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #480 on: October 30, 2012, 11:29:17 AM »
Once every so often is okay, but every time?
Words mean things.

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #481 on: October 30, 2012, 12:16:04 PM »
My husband dislikes the term, "Me, too!"   He thinks the proper phrase is, "As do I."
I think the 'As do I." sounds kind of aloof and formal, but I appreciate him for knowing about 'lay' and 'lie', which leave me stymied every time.

I think I have a handle on who/whom, neither/either and affect/effect, though.
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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #482 on: October 30, 2012, 12:32:52 PM »
My husband dislikes the term, "Me, too!"   He thinks the proper phrase is, "As do I."
I think the 'As do I." sounds kind of aloof and formal, but I appreciate him for knowing about 'lay' and 'lie', which leave me stymied every time.

I think I have a handle on who/whom, neither/either and affect/effect, though.

I'm with you.  "As do I" sounds (to be honest, to my ears) like one is putting on airs.  It would be like insisting during scrabble for your partner to tell you "inform me as to your paternal parental identity!"
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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #483 on: October 30, 2012, 12:52:53 PM »
Just curious, what is wrong with describing something torn apart (even metaphorically) as having been rent? Thatís one definition of that word / is the past and past participle of "rend".

Sorry, woke up way too early this morning. It was actually a wreck (not wrack) vs. rack issue! Guess I should cut the writer some slack, too!

Most of the phrases are OK once or seven times, but "said simply" and "thought silently" were used about 100 times each.

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #484 on: October 30, 2012, 02:19:18 PM »
Just curious, what is wrong with describing something torn apart (even metaphorically) as having been rent? Thatís one definition of that word / is the past and past participle of "rend".

Sorry, woke up way too early this morning. It was actually a wreck (not wrack) vs. rack issue! Guess I should cut the writer some slack, too!

Most of the phrases are OK once or seven times, but "said simply" and "thought silently" were used about 100 times each.

How do you think noisily?  Hum Amazing Grace as loud as you can while trying to decide what to have at the fast food counter?
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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #485 on: October 30, 2012, 02:22:01 PM »
My husband dislikes the term, "Me, too!"   He thinks the proper phrase is, "As do I."
I think the 'As do I." sounds kind of aloof and formal, but I appreciate him for knowing about 'lay' and 'lie', which leave me stymied every time.

I think I have a handle on who/whom, neither/either and affect/effect, though.

To me, "me, too" sounds lazy and grammatically incorrect. "I do, too", "So do I", "I am too" are all grammatically correct, short and direct.

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #486 on: October 30, 2012, 02:43:28 PM »
Just curious, what is wrong with describing something torn apart (even metaphorically) as having been rent? Thatís one definition of that word / is the past and past participle of "rend".

Sorry, woke up way too early this morning. It was actually a wreck (not wrack) vs. rack issue! Guess I should cut the writer some slack, too!

Most of the phrases are OK once or seven times, but "said simply" and "thought silently" were used about 100 times each.

How do you think noisily?  Hum Amazing Grace as loud as you can while trying to decide what to have at the fast food counter?

I can only guess, but I think it was supposed to indicate a distinction between expressed and unexpressed thoughts.

"This writer doesn't know the difference between a Cossack and a cassock," Jmarvellous thought, muttering under her breath.
"Oh, dang, did I say that out loud?" she thought silently.

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #487 on: October 30, 2012, 04:33:25 PM »
Just curious, what is wrong with describing something torn apart (even metaphorically) as having been rent? Thatís one definition of that word / is the past and past participle of "rend".

Sorry, woke up way too early this morning. It was actually a wreck (not wrack) vs. rack issue! Guess I should cut the writer some slack, too!

Most of the phrases are OK once or seven times, but "said simply" and "thought silently" were used about 100 times each.

How do you think noisily?  Hum Amazing Grace as loud as you can while trying to decide what to have at the fast food counter?

I can only guess, but I think it was supposed to indicate a distinction between expressed and unexpressed thoughts.

"This writer doesn't know the difference between a Cossack and a cassock," Jmarvellous thought, muttering under her breath.
"Oh, dang, did I say that out loud?" she thought silently.
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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #488 on: October 30, 2012, 04:49:03 PM »
It didn't come up, but there was a lot of "make up that was applied," passively of course. "As" stood in for the far more appropriate "because" on every possible occasion. "And," half of the sentences began with "and" or "but" and a comma.

Four to six dots in lieu of ordinary ellipses? Great! Misspelling your own characters' names half the time? Thrilling!

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« Reply #489 on: October 31, 2012, 12:41:03 PM »
I don't know if this is a grammar quirk, but I've noticed that some phrases come out not at all like the words, but still people know what they mean...
"Imuhna eat then go to the show."  ("I'm going to (or I'm gonna) eat then go to the show."
"Wuhduhyuh think?"  ("What do you think?")
There are others I've noticed, but can't recall off the top of my head.  I oways think it's kyna of fascinating,  doenchu?

Going off at a bit of a tangent, as I tend to: this post made me think of something raised by Bill Bryson on his book on the English language.  At one point in the book, the author opines that this is actually the way in which people do generally and commonly speak: rapidly, with much slurring and swallowing of words -- "Jeetjet?" meaning "did you eat yet?", and other instances given. Bryson gives the impression here, that this is the common and usual way of speaking and conversing, for most people throughout the English-speaking world. My reaction was, "perhaps that's true of the USA, Bill; but it's not the way the large majority of folk usually speak in my part of the Anglosphere". Taking it that you, Bijou, are in the States; this generalisation as in respect of the US, would seem open to doubt too.

I feel ambivalently about Bryson.  He can often make one laugh, sidesplittingly; and can often be shrewdly "on the money" about a large variety of matters.  Also, though, he not infrequently spouts the most arrant nonsense; sometimes, it seems, in attempts to be funny -- sometimes, because he would appear genuinely to harbour some very odd notions.

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #490 on: October 31, 2012, 12:48:16 PM »
Since we're on the subject I hate when people pronounce that "thee-AY-tur."  It sounds so uneducated.

Well, Hilaire Belloc, in one of his comic-verse "Cautionary Tales", does indicate that pronunciation:

"It happened, though, a short time later,
 Her aunt went off to the theatre
 To see that interesting play
 'The Second Mrs. Tanqueray'."

Poetic licence, of course, in which the author gets a special pass: it has to be pronounced thus, in order to rhyme and scan!

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #491 on: October 31, 2012, 03:11:43 PM »
I'm all for poetic license, but I must take issue with rhyming things like

'Cause baby, you're a firework
Come on, show 'em what you're worth
Make 'em go "oh, oh, oh!"
As you shoot across the sky-y-y

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #492 on: November 01, 2012, 06:46:20 AM »
Inquire vs enquire. I'd mostly use enquire as in if you are interested you may enquire. But our new communications person at work uses inquire. Which is correct?

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #493 on: November 01, 2012, 07:35:44 AM »
I use inquire.

Ignorant means "without knowledge" not "rude".

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Re: Grammar quirks
« Reply #494 on: November 01, 2012, 09:07:36 AM »