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« Reply #1920 on: October 27, 2013, 10:46:45 AM »
I love Mr. Williams email address: kelvinwilliams@infofruad-fbi-gov.net.tf

I see the FBI can't figure out how to spell "fraud" in an email domain. Not only that, but the "tf" at the end is the country code for the French Southern and Antarctic Lands, overseas French territories in the southern Indian Ocean and a claim that France has made for part of Antarctica. Amazing how that FBI agent in Nigeria is stuck with that obscure email domain instead of, oh, fbi.gov, for instance.

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« Reply #1921 on: October 27, 2013, 11:38:07 AM »
Yes, Luci, that Paypal message is fraudulent.  The scammer wants your Paypal account ID and password.  It's just like the messages from banks that you have no account with. It's called phishing; if they send out enough emails, some sucker will bite on it and they can empty his account.

In general, if ANY email that purports to be from a financial institute wants you to click here and enter your ID and password, it's fraudulent.  If you think that it might be legitimate, go to the site using your bookmarks/favorites/typing it in, never by clicking the message's link. 
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« Reply #1922 on: October 27, 2013, 01:17:36 PM »
Yes, Luci, that Paypal message is fraudulent.  The scammer wants your Paypal account ID and password.  It's just like the messages from banks that you have no account with. It's called phishing; if they send out enough emails, some sucker will bite on it and they can empty his account.

In general, if ANY email that purports to be from a financial institute wants you to click here and enter your ID and password, it's fraudulent.  If you think that it might be legitimate, go to the site using your bookmarks/favorites/typing it in, never by clicking the message's link.

Thank you for confirming my thoughts. When I get those messages "from my bank", I pick up the phone, but no such recourse with Paypal.

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« Reply #1923 on: October 27, 2013, 01:38:51 PM »
I guess I understand why sellers may want it for ease of bookkeeping, but I will have nothing to do with it after the mess of back and forth with them and being double-charged, etc. Sounds like "I'm never shopping there again", doesn't it.

Ease of bookkeeping has nothing to do with, in my case. It is one of the few ways I have to accept credit cards, as getting a merchant account is nearly impossible for a small business and a lot more expensive.

Back on topic!

A business's information (owner, business address, etc) is published when the business is registered. Immediately after I registered mine, I got about a dozen invoices from "Business Bureau", "Business Association", "Retailer's Association", etc. All of them with a very short deadline, stating that I had to pay my annual fee and quoting a federal law number to be compliant. Very official looking.

Except that they are all crooks. I am not legally obliged to be part of any such association. The law they are quoting merely states how such associations should be run. However, if I did pay the invoice, I would be legally enrolled in the association and obliged to pay the annual fees. It is even more convincing when you consider the bureaucratic mess this country is and all the paperwork, fees and stuff involved in opening a small business.

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« Reply #1924 on: October 27, 2013, 04:04:45 PM »
I have gotten calls lately that 'this is the 2nd notice that your car's warranty is expired'.  Last time I got one, I told DH that is was interesting as 1, I didn't have a car at the time, and 2, I never got a first notice.  LOL.

I guess they assume saying second notice will make people think its urgent and respond.

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« Reply #1925 on: October 27, 2013, 06:30:30 PM »
I have gotten calls lately that 'this is the 2nd notice that your car's warranty is expired'.  Last time I got one, I told DH that is was interesting as 1, I didn't have a car at the time, and 2, I never got a first notice.  LOL.

I guess they assume saying second notice will make people think its urgent and respond.

I have been known to answer or call these people in a hysterical panic. "Oh, no! What will I do? How awful! Which car is it?" nearly sobbing.

Now I just realize that these agents must be REALLY desperate for a job, so I don't tease them. I have a nice recycling bin and know how to use my caller ID display. They rarely leave a message.

By the way: We were away for 6 days recently and only had two missed calls! I wonder if our plan of not answering the phone to unknown callers is working? Nah...too much to hope for.

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« Reply #1926 on: October 27, 2013, 06:45:15 PM »
Yes, Luci, that Paypal message is fraudulent.  The scammer wants your Paypal account ID and password.  It's just like the messages from banks that you have no account with. It's called phishing; if they send out enough emails, some sucker will bite on it and they can empty his account.

In general, if ANY email that purports to be from a financial institute wants you to click here and enter your ID and password, it's fraudulent.  If you think that it might be legitimate, go to the site using your bookmarks/favorites/typing it in, never by clicking the message's link.

Thank you for confirming my thoughts. When I get those messages "from my bank", I pick up the phone, but no such recourse with Paypal.

You can call paypal to confirm messages from them.  I do it all the time.

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« Reply #1927 on: October 27, 2013, 07:04:49 PM »
I have gotten calls lately that 'this is the 2nd notice that your car's warranty is expired'.  Last time I got one, I told DH that is was interesting as 1, I didn't have a car at the time, and 2, I never got a first notice.  LOL.

I guess they assume saying second notice will make people think its urgent and respond.

Grr I hate these people. They make my job so much harder because I work for a car warranty company. Try explaining to a customer that just because they said they were from a warranty company (they never say which one though) and you gave them your credit card, doesn't mean you have a warranty with our company.

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« Reply #1928 on: October 27, 2013, 07:24:13 PM »
LOL - when I got phone calls about "your warranty is about to expire"  I'd tell them (truthfully) that my car had been totaled several years ago.

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« Reply #1929 on: October 27, 2013, 10:49:02 PM »
I have gotten calls lately that 'this is the 2nd notice that your car's warranty is expired'.  Last time I got one, I told DH that is was interesting as 1, I didn't have a car at the time, and 2, I never got a first notice.  LOL.

I guess they assume saying second notice will make people think its urgent and respond.

I've gotten a couple of those.  My car is a 1995. 

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« Reply #1930 on: October 28, 2013, 08:20:45 AM »
I guess I understand why sellers may want it for ease of bookkeeping, but I will have nothing to do with it after the mess of back and forth with them and being double-charged, etc. Sounds like "I'm never shopping there again", doesn't it.

Ease of bookkeeping has nothing to do with, in my case. It is one of the few ways I have to accept credit cards, as getting a merchant account is nearly impossible for a small business and a lot more expensive.

Back on topic!

A business's information (owner, business address, etc) is published when the business is registered. Immediately after I registered mine, I got about a dozen invoices from "Business Bureau", "Business Association", "Retailer's Association", etc. All of them with a very short deadline, stating that I had to pay my annual fee and quoting a federal law number to be compliant. Very official looking.

Except that they are all crooks. I am not legally obliged to be part of any such association. The law they are quoting merely states how such associations should be run. However, if I did pay the invoice, I would be legally enrolled in the association and obliged to pay the annual fees. It is even more convincing when you consider the bureaucratic mess this country is and all the paperwork, fees and stuff involved in opening a small business.

This also happens if you register or update your contact information for a domain name. When I first registered my own domain name for my website, I got a number of letters on the first year anniversary of the registration from different companies. "Your domain name is about to expire! Send us $$ to renew or you could lose your domain name FOREVER."

What happens is that if you do send them money, is that they take over the registration from the company you first registered with and then charge you $$$$ every year to keep it or they turn it into some porn/link spam site. Very underhanded.

The worse explosion of unsolicited mail I ever got though was when I was a passenger in a car involved in a fender bender. Guy behind us hit the car. My name and address were taken by the police because I was a witness. The guy who hit us was clearly at fault, but there was some dispute about whether the car I was in had a red light (we did) and should have stopped (we should have). Because my information was on the police report, it was became public record.

Within days I got DOZENS of letters from various law offices wanting to represent me in court for my injuries. Never mind that I was not injured now, didn't I know that injuries could appear weeks, months, and even years later? I should file immediately to get all the monetary damages I deserved for my non-existent pain and suffering. Several of the letters even stated that they had doctor's offices they recommended for diagnosis (and I'm sure these "doctors" always found something wrong with a little help from a kickback from the law offices). The letters continued for at least 3 months. By the end I must have gotten well over 100 different letters, sometimes multiple ones from the same office.

I have never been so disgusted in my life. These lawyers were the reason the term "ambulance chaser" was invented.

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« Reply #1931 on: October 28, 2013, 08:39:06 AM »
I have gotten calls lately that 'this is the 2nd notice that your car's warranty is expired'.  Last time I got one, I told DH that is was interesting as 1, I didn't have a car at the time, and 2, I never got a first notice.  LOL.

I guess they assume saying second notice will make people think its urgent and respond.

I've gotten a couple of those.  My car is a 1995.

I just got mine last week.  I get them about once a year.  I work for my local police department in a fairly large agency.  We have many, many cars!

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« Reply #1932 on: October 28, 2013, 08:44:00 AM »
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The worse explosion of unsolicited mail I ever got though was when I was a passenger in a car involved in a fender bender.
*snip*

I collected quite a number after my recent speeding ticket.  I could not believe the number of people who wanted to defend me; never mind having no clue we HAD that many driving schools.  I wonder what the investment is by the law offices to get those lists...

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« Reply #1933 on: October 28, 2013, 09:12:27 AM »

This also happens if you register or update your contact information for a domain name. When I first registered my own domain name for my website, I got a number of letters on the first year anniversary of the registration from different companies. "Your domain name is about to expire! Send us $$ to renew or you could lose your domain name FOREVER."
Most hosting companies offer domain privacy for free.  I know I have it on all of my domains.  I've never been contacted by anyone other than my host company when it's time to renew.

I collected quite a number after my recent speeding ticket.  I could not believe the number of people who wanted to defend me; never mind having no clue we HAD that many driving schools.  I wonder what the investment is by the law offices to get those lists...

If you are in the US, it's probably free.  the only thing they invest is time.  In my state you can go online and look up pending court cases.  That will give you names, trail dates, etc.

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« Reply #1934 on: October 28, 2013, 02:52:10 PM »
Oh yeah, I've received emails for a few years now, from these supposed law firms who want to represent me, so that I can get the "compensation (I) deserve" for my "injury".

Basically what happened was, a few years ago, I was living in a shared house at university. My housemate came in for a chat, and sat on the floor with his legs stretched out in front of him. I walked across the room, tripped over him, and he accompanied me to A&E  (ER) because I hurt my knee. No major damage done, but it happened to be the knee that I broke when I was about 16, didn't realise, and never had treated. Ever since I tripped over my friend, though, there has been no end of compensation lawyers wanting me to sue him.  :P
Not that I see any point. It was my fault for not looking where I was going!
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