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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2220 on: January 31, 2014, 10:12:32 AM »

I'm not saying that every beggar is 100% legit, but I think that this idea of beggars who actually like the lifestyle, and who live in huge houses with all the latest gadgets is a total myth.

I challenge anybody who has a nice house and a good job to quit their job and go begging for a living. There's a reason you wouldn't.

There have been beggars who have been charged with fraud for telling people they are in need when they have a nice condo, fancy car, and the latest electronics. There seems to be another one pop up every couple of years or so.

That said, those people make it hard for someone who is living in their car and just wants money for a hot meal. I agree with Psychopoesie on that - it is hard to tell an individual's situation by their appearance. Scammers usually get caught by what they are doing, not what they are wearing.

The rate of one every couple of years though...I mean, that's hardly anything. That's a smaller percentage than the number of professional sportsmen with criminal records, for example, and nobody goes on about a shocking wave of crime in professional sport.



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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2221 on: January 31, 2014, 11:06:00 AM »
There are so many panhandlers out on the streets at many traffic lights where you have to wait a long time for the light to turn green.  They all carry foldable cardboard signs that say homeless, or will work for food/hungry, etc.  They then walk down the line of traffic with sad faces asking for handouts.  It isn't that I am against helping someone out, but that they are there everyday and I am very suspicious that they are just scammers.  One intersection has a panhandler in each direction and so I pass by them twice.  They keep an eye out for police and quickly fold their sign when they spot police.  On my way to and from appointments I now pass up to six a day.

People panhandling in the median has been a big problem in my area. So much so that BigCity has passed an ordinance against loitering in the median, citing safety considerations. It's being challenged in the courts by local homeless advocates.

Something else I've seen around lately: Young men, standing in the median, asking for donations for the local children's hospital. The donation cans do have the logo of the hospital on them, but that's easy enough to get off the internet. It may be completely legit, but I question if it's a good way to raise money. I suspect it's another one of those "10 cents for every dollar raised goes to the cause" groups.

Our school had a charity drive requiring each student to take a (sealed) can and beg for donations. It was a great cause, but not well executed on the school's part. Additionally we had to go to at least one business in walking distance of our home.

The only businesses fitting that near a good friend were a payday loan place that everyone knew sold drugs, and a biker bar.

She actually did really well in the bar, but I think the school board memeber who decided we could fail if we didn't do this should've been fired. (I went to a reptile lover's swap meet, on the logic that anywhere my family is, is home. And since it was one of the few animal shelters that would take herps and find them good, knowledgeable homes, I did pretty well. But my Spiel was "I'm failing 9th grade if I don't do this, so how would you like to improve the lives of animals AND prevent me from repeating 9th grade? If not, its cool, i always wanted to be a 25 year old high school student like on Dawson's Creek.")

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2222 on: January 31, 2014, 11:28:29 AM »

I'm not saying that every beggar is 100% legit, but I think that this idea of beggars who actually like the lifestyle, and who live in huge houses with all the latest gadgets is a total myth.

I challenge anybody who has a nice house and a good job to quit their job and go begging for a living. There's a reason you wouldn't.

There have been beggars who have been charged with fraud for telling people they are in need when they have a nice condo, fancy car, and the latest electronics. There seems to be another one pop up every couple of years or so.

That said, those people make it hard for someone who is living in their car and just wants money for a hot meal. I agree with Psychopoesie on that - it is hard to tell an individual's situation by their appearance. Scammers usually get caught by what they are doing, not what they are wearing.

The rate of one every couple of years though...I mean, that's hardly anything. That's a smaller percentage than the number of professional sportsmen with criminal records, for example, and nobody goes on about a shocking wave of crime in professional sport.

Sometimes they do. Say the words "Lance Armstrong" on a sport forum and see how many rants you get. ;D For a while there, you couldn't open a newspaper without seeing an editorial on drugs and cycling, who was, who wasn't - it was insane. I think everyone who had ever ridden with him got dragged into it. Did they all deserve that? No, of course not. There are plenty of cyclists out there who have nothing to do with drugs or criminal activity.

And I'm not saying every homeless person is a scammer. Just that there are as many scammers in the homeless population as there are in any other part of society, and it tends to ruin things for both the legit people and the ones who would like to help them.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2223 on: January 31, 2014, 11:51:49 AM »
Our school had a charity drive requiring each student to take a (sealed) can and beg for donations. It was a great cause, but not well executed on the school's part. Additionally we had to go to at least one business in walking distance of our home.

The only businesses fitting that near a good friend were a payday loan place that everyone knew sold drugs, and a biker bar.

She actually did really well in the bar, but I think the school board memeber who decided we could fail if we didn't do this should've been fired. (I went to a reptile lover's swap meet, on the logic that anywhere my family is, is home. And since it was one of the few animal shelters that would take herps and find them good, knowledgeable homes, I did pretty well. But my Spiel was "I'm failing 9th grade if I don't do this, so how would you like to improve the lives of animals AND prevent me from repeating 9th grade? If not, its cool, i always wanted to be a 25 year old high school student like on Dawson's Creek.")

If I am reading this correctly, you will fail the school year if you don't participate?

That is not possible as far as I know, even in a private school. Did no one challenge this? Sounds like a really good support for home schooling (as if it needed any more good reasons!), the GED to get the diploma and go on to college at the age of 17, or online high school.

I would not let our kids participate in anything like this. I used to just toss in some cash or a check and say we did our share. Lucas and I were both educators - he was a high school teacher, I taught a bit then went to the school library - and we had 2 children go through school system.

Please, oh please, tell me I am misreading your post!

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« Reply #2224 on: January 31, 2014, 12:08:43 PM »
Ummm yeah if my child's school told me my child would fail if the didn't do some sort of begging/ fundraiser I would raise a lot of hell. Now as far as fundraisers we don't know a lot of people so I give a donation to the PTA in the beginning of the year and consider it my donation.
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« Reply #2225 on: January 31, 2014, 12:23:20 PM »
I've been getting a few missed calls on my phone lately, no message has ever been left so I've never felt inclined to call back. I do so last night though....

I mention to the woman who answered the phone that I had received numerous missed calls, but no voicemail. She informed me that they've been having a problem with their messaging system (?? right...) but she would be more than happy to help me. Apparently at the mall some time back I entered a drawing for a luxury car. I remember this vaguely, but I am pretty sure I checked "no" in the little box where it asked me if I wanted to hear about any promotions, deals, etc.

So guess what! I, along with a select other few, have been chosed to receive $6000 in airfare tickets, good for two years, totally transferable, etc. Sales pitch, blah, blah, blah. In order to redeem this prize I must head to a certain hotel to hear about a promotion going on within the organization. I was assured I was under no obligation to purchase anything or join anything.

I believe this is one of those Timeshare promotions.

So, while I don't think this is a scam, because the organization promoting this is legit, certainly I don't want to be pressured or badgered into purchasing something I don't want. I hear they are very good at that.

Even on the phone the rep was quite insistent that I book my time slot NOW to be assured that my prize didn't slip through my fingers. It was difficult to get an word in edgewise, finally I placated her by telling her to call me back at a later time that evening (she didn't).

Who knows? Maybe I did miss out on free tickets but it isn't worth the risk to me.

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« Reply #2226 on: February 03, 2014, 09:56:40 AM »
Posted to a travel message board.

I am trying to raise money for a trip to Costa Rica for next summer! I have never been outside of the country and this is the first opportunity I have had to do so. My biggest problem is, you guessed it, money. Iím in college right now and having a hard enough time paying for tuition and all my bills, considering I am going through college without the help of my parents. Having a sense of wanderlust and being a broke college student donít exactly go hand in hand, but I am dying to have my first cultural experience. I know there are better causes to throw money towards, but anything helps and I would be eternally grateful. Even if it is one or two dollars. That adds up! This means a lot to me, so I shall see how this goes. Thank you. :)  [Link removed]

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2227 on: February 03, 2014, 10:36:46 AM »
Ummm yeah if my child's school told me my child would fail if the didn't do some sort of begging/ fundraiser I would raise a lot of hell. Now as far as fundraisers we don't know a lot of people so I give a donation to the PTA in the beginning of the year and consider it my donation.

I got so sick of the fundraisers in my sons' schools. It seemed every department had one. One year we (the PFA) tried to convince the school principal to let us allow parents to "opt out" with a 1-time donation. It made sense to us. They refused; they said it would be a "haves vs. the have-nots" thing (FTR, the amount was not large).

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2228 on: February 03, 2014, 11:04:48 AM »
Posted to a travel message board.

I am trying to raise money for a trip to Costa Rica for next summer! I have never been outside of the country and this is the first opportunity I have had to do so. My biggest problem is, you guessed it, money. Iím in college right now and having a hard enough time paying for tuition and all my bills, considering I am going through college without the help of my parents. Having a sense of wanderlust and being a broke college student donít exactly go hand in hand, but I am dying to have my first cultural experience. I know there are better causes to throw money towards, but anything helps and I would be eternally grateful. Even if it is one or two dollars. That adds up! This means a lot to me, so I shall see how this goes. Thank you. :)  [Link removed]

There's a guy on my city's CL who has been repeatedly asking for a new or, if necessary, used Mac laptop because he's a deserving student and who wouldn't want to give him one. Another student, who has been posting even longer, is asking for someone who will let him live on a boat and take it out when he wants. Oh, and he'll wash it down every once in a while as "payment."

Strange how their pleadings are going unanswered.  ::)
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« Reply #2229 on: February 03, 2014, 11:18:29 AM »
We actually used to get great vacations out of timeshare sells.  We would go up to the Smokies and sit through 2-3 sales pitches and leave each one with vouchers for free 2-3 night cabin rentals, show tickets, various cheap prizes (luggage, cheap jewelry, dishes).  The trick is to get your prizes up front, hammer out exactly how long the presentation is and feel no guilt about telling them that you are a broke college student and will not be spending any money on a timeshare.  90% of the time we got our participation gifts with no problem.  The other 10% we reminded them that we had fulfilled our part of the bargain and now it was their turn.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2230 on: February 03, 2014, 11:40:13 AM »
This man used to work for a valid veteran's support charity. Ever since he lost his job, or quit (we don't know for sure), he has been standing in front of stores in military fatigues, collecting donations that he used to pay the woman who accompanied him and live on. A very wise police officer caught him, by calling the number on the flier.

What I don't understand is why in the mug shot pictures, both of them appear to be unclothed from the waist up.

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« Reply #2231 on: February 03, 2014, 11:44:37 AM »
I think I see a hint of orange in the lower right corner of her picture which leads me to think she is wearing a tank top.

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« Reply #2232 on: February 03, 2014, 11:50:16 AM »
I see it now and am extremely grateful.
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« Reply #2233 on: February 03, 2014, 01:37:39 PM »
Here's a new one I got in my e-mail:

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Eviction notice,

Hereby you are notified that you have to move to another
location from the currently occupied premises within
the next three weeks.

Please find the lawsuit details attached to this letter.

If you do not move within this period of time,
we will have no other alternative than to have you
physically removed from the property per order of the Judge.

If we can be of any assistance to you during your relocation,
please feel free to contact us any time.

Will someone help me move?  ::)

lol...I got one very similar. The differences were that I was given four weeks to move, and then this gem of a sentence:

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If you fail to comply you will be physically removed and fined for up to 100 minimum monthly wages.

What does that even mean? 100 minimum monthly wages?

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« Reply #2234 on: February 03, 2014, 01:44:05 PM »
If spammers ever get a solid grasp of English the amusement factor is going to plummet.