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ladyknight1

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2535 on: April 30, 2014, 06:45:11 PM »
The subsidized plan does not include smart phones or data plans. Both of these phones are no older than 1 year, so I don't see how they could be hand me downs.

Regardless, I think they could be another resource for the people.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2536 on: May 01, 2014, 11:15:49 AM »
I keep books for about 8 companies...one of them is a small landscaping firm (less than five employees).  He is constantly looking for help and he pays top dollar for that work (it's just hard work).  Had a fellow hired that worked one morning then came by to fill out his paperwork - the minute I asked for a copy of his social security card and driver's license he balked. 

He is on disability and wants to be paid in cash only.

Owner said write him a check for the half day and tell him goodbye.  We are not hiring people that want to beat the system on our tax dollars. Words cannot describe how furious this makes me and we see it all the darn time.

Had a friend of mine just get audited by the IRS - she didn't get the SS # for a couple of yard people that did work around her office, IRS said either get their info or lose the deduction.  I love this! 

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« Reply #2537 on: May 01, 2014, 11:57:44 AM »
Can you report people who do that?  Or is there no ay to report the guy without an SS#?
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« Reply #2538 on: May 01, 2014, 12:35:43 PM »
True, but the cost for a data plan is expensive.
Not all of them. Plus if the phone is a gift the plan may be a part of it, I pay my brothers phone bill as he couldn't afford it on his own and it's worth it to be able to contact him.

I know of at least one case where a homeless and drug-addicted family member's parents paid for his "fancy and expensive" (not really) phone and data plan, so he could be in touch with his sponsors, work, and so that they could check in with him regularly and find out if he was alive or dead on any given day.

Please, people, give up the idea that if you see someone with what you perceive as an expensive piece of technology, that it indicates they are moocher/scammers and not really in need. Technology can be produced and repurposed so inexpensively these days, and it's not unusual for certain charities to help a homeless individual get a second-hand laptop or discarded cell phone so that they can attempt to find work or stay in touch with their family. Many places of employment or social services can't do anything unless they can register a phone number and/or email address where they can reach you.

This is like the complaint that "99% of welfare recipients have refrigerators!" Er... in most states, it's illegal for parents to NOT have a way to keep and preserve food for their families long-term. It's hardly an indicator of frivolity.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2539 on: May 01, 2014, 12:45:32 PM »
I want to add that Yes, some charities DO give out new I-phones and fancy smart phones and Yes, homeless/low income people CAN use them on the free cell phone plans. The plans do not include a data plan but you can get top off cards that you can add to your plan that will unlock the data plans or you can simply use them for texting and phone calls which ARE included in the free plan.  One of the charities that we have a referral agreement with was given a bunch of smart phones by the manufacturers for their clients. They were able to give nearly every one of their tenants who live here a fancy smart phone (they got to choose between a few models) last summer.

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« Reply #2540 on: May 01, 2014, 12:52:28 PM »
This is like the complaint that "99% of welfare recipients have refrigerators!" Er... in most states, it's illegal for parents to NOT have a way to keep and preserve food for their families long-term. It's hardly an indicator of frivolity.

This one always hugely bugs me. (a) if the family were to sell their fridge, it would be an incredibly short-sighted decision, as it would severely limit the kinds of foods they could buy and probably cost them more in the long run, and (b) I've lived in low-income housing and it came with a refrigerator. I couldn't sell it; it wasn't mine. But it was there for my use, and that's probably how a lot of the people in this statistic "have refrigerators" too.

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« Reply #2541 on: May 01, 2014, 01:04:47 PM »
True, but the cost for a data plan is expensive.
Not all of them. Plus if the phone is a gift the plan may be a part of it, I pay my brothers phone bill as he couldn't afford it on his own and it's worth it to be able to contact him.

I know of at least one case where a homeless and drug-addicted family member's parents paid for his "fancy and expensive" (not really) phone and data plan, so he could be in touch with his sponsors, work, and so that they could check in with him regularly and find out if he was alive or dead on any given day.


Yes ! 

Because family member's worry about them and some of us are willing to pay.  You can't let them live with your family, they are dangerous, will steal from you or worse yet, have their associates come to see them. And yet, they are still family that you love and want to try and help, keep save, be able to find, etc. 

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2542 on: May 01, 2014, 01:04:54 PM »
This is like the complaint that "99% of welfare recipients have refrigerators!"

I looked at that complaint and went -  "Well, duh!"  I expect that Welfare recipients rent and every rental place I have ever lived in came with a refrigerator and stove.  I feel bad for the 1% of welfare recipients that can't find a rental with appliances, those must be some short-sighted landlords..

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« Reply #2543 on: May 01, 2014, 01:39:18 PM »
This is like the complaint that "99% of welfare recipients have refrigerators!"

I looked at that complaint and went -  "Well, duh!"  I expect that Welfare recipients rent and every rental place I have ever lived in came with a refrigerator and stove.  I feel bad for the 1% of welfare recipients that can't find a rental with appliances, those must be some short-sighted landlords..

In most cases I've seen, the "complainers" are not trying to say that welfare recipients are scammers, but are pointing out that what we consider poverty would be pretty darn comfortable in some countries.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2544 on: May 01, 2014, 01:50:13 PM »
I just want to pod the people who explain various reasons why someone who is poor would have a smart phone.  My spouse's workplace replaces their smartphones every two years and they donate the old ones to various charities or tell my spouse and his coworkers to keep them if they want.  He has kept one i-phone and donated the other i-phones and android phones to the local shelter.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2545 on: May 01, 2014, 03:33:30 PM »
This is like the complaint that "99% of welfare recipients have refrigerators!" Er... in most states, it's illegal for parents to NOT have a way to keep and preserve food for their families long-term. It's hardly an indicator of frivolity.

This one always hugely bugs me. (a) if the family were to sell their fridge, it would be an incredibly short-sighted decision, as it would severely limit the kinds of foods they could buy and probably cost them more in the long run, and (b) I've lived in low-income housing and it came with a refrigerator. I couldn't sell it; it wasn't mine. But it was there for my use, and that's probably how a lot of the people in this statistic "have refrigerators" too.

I was gonna say...I've always had access to a refrigerator, but that's because it came with the apartment.  So, I don't OWN it, but it's there.

EDIT: that being said, I'd hate for this thread to get locked so can we move away from discussion of hot-button topics of welfare/assistance scammers?
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2546 on: May 01, 2014, 03:36:00 PM »
True, but the cost for a data plan is expensive.

you don't have to have a data plan. I have an iphone with a pay as you go plan and no data plan. It works for what i need it for and at a cost of about $5 a month.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2547 on: May 02, 2014, 10:59:06 AM »
You know, I may be considered a curmudgeon by some. But that's ridiculous. Having a refrigerator, so you can store leftovers and food bought in bulk is more cost-effective than going without one. Even if it weren't - social assistance should provide decent living conditions, if not luxurious ones. Going without a fridge is not acceptable, particularly, as some have pointed out, for people with children.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2548 on: May 02, 2014, 11:09:55 AM »
I have to say that I think a refrigerator is a pretty basic need in modern times. I had never heard that saying until this thread.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2549 on: May 02, 2014, 11:13:34 AM »
Yeah, and sadly, it's not even all just people comparing first world poverty to third world poverty--there was an article a few years back that suggested the poor sell their fridges for cash. That's the argument that makes no sense at all to me.