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#### Elfmama

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« Reply #315 on: January 09, 2013, 11:34:27 PM »
There was a lady who was renting a Princess Phone from a phone company since the '50s. When she died in the '90s, she still had the phone but was paying $2.50 a month for all those years. (That was a news story - I can't site the source.) If she had been renting a phone in the 50's, then she was about the age of my MIL. She may have thought that she didn't have a choice, that phones were still hardwired into the wall. MIL was absolutely LIVID when we told her that she'd save money by buying her own phone instead of renting one from the phone company. "Why would I want to buy a phone and pay them to install it, only to leave it behind when we move?" We explained that she didn't have to pay installation or leave it behind. She blew up at us again for "lying to her", and I had enough. "You walk over to the phone like *this*, you reach down and unplug it like *this*, you wrap the cord around it like *this* to hold the handset in place, you put it in a box and you take it with you." And I unwrapped the cord, plugged it back in, and sat down again. Took the wind right out of her sails! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Common sense is not a gift, but a curse. Because then you have to deal with all the people who don't have it. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ #### Outdoor Girl • Member • Posts: 16769 ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #316 on: January 10, 2013, 08:48:41 AM » However, very few people are going to be able to bring the car back with it just sucking gas fumes to get back. I managed it. We got lost on the way back to the rental agency. The low fuel light came on before we got lost. When we dropped it off, I let them know that if their gas pump wasn't really close by, they might need a jerry can to put some gas in to get it there. After cleaning out my Dad's house, I have this advice: If you haven't used it in a year, throw it out!!!!. Ontario #### Just Lori • Member • Posts: 4463 • USA ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #317 on: January 10, 2013, 09:27:11 AM » I just received a call from a heavily accented man who said his name was Bryan and he was calling from Windows Computers. I've had a call like that before when the caller said there was a problem with my computer and they would need me to boot it up for them. When I said I wanted to call my ISP, they hung up. Anyhow, I didn't even give Bryan the chance to tell me about my computer problems. Even if it weren't a scam, I wouldn't trust a stranger who told me to boot up my computer and give them access. http://www.informationweek.com/security/management/microsoft-windows-support-call-scams-7-f/240005023 #### Julian • I lost it between Thriller and Gangnam Style... • Member • Posts: 1104 ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #318 on: January 10, 2013, 04:05:03 PM » My home number gets a lot of those 'you have a computer problem' calls, so both me and Housemate are well clued in to how to respond. But a call I got a few months ago totally flummoxed me. It was a lady with a very heavy accent, and the line was a bit crackly, so I did have some trouble understanding her. It started off as a 'survey'. L: "what do you think is best - breast or bottle feeding" (well, I think that's what she said... hard to understand her) J: "Umm... the first?" L: "OK, now, if you chop down a tree with a kookaburra in it, will the bird die?" J: "What?!" L: "If you chop down a tree with a kookaburra in it, will the bird die?" J: "No, of course not, the bird will fly away." L: "But what if it's wings had been chopped off?" J: "Seriously, what a silly question. Is this some sort of prank? Who are you?" L: "Just answer the question." J: "No, it is a very silly question and I don't want to answer any more questions. I'm going to hang up now." L: <loud yelling of abuse> J: hangs up. Then the phone rang again. Same woman. L: "How rude of you to hang up on me!!! argle blargle blah blah more abuse" J: "Really? And you're yelling at me like that to tell me I'm rude?? Don't call me again." <hang up> After the second call I was shaking and angry. It takes a lot to get me to that stage, but this woman managed it. I still have no idea what the point was. Out on the patio we'd sit, And the humidity we'd breathe, We'd watch the lightning crack over canefields Laugh and think, this is Australia. Ganggajang - Sounds Of Then (This Is Australia) #### Garden Goblin • Member • Posts: 722 ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #319 on: January 10, 2013, 08:59:56 PM » After the second call I was shaking and angry. It takes a lot to get me to that stage, but this woman managed it. I still have no idea what the point was. Probably to get you to say certain phrases, so they could make an edit tape of you agreeing to whatever service they had in mind to start charging you for. For a while, dealing with a particular set of callers, I'd inform them at the beginning of the call that I was recording them and if they had a problem with that, they were welcome to have all correspondence be in writing. It was amazing how quickly they'd hang up on me and yet nothing ever came in the mail. #### jedikaiti • Swiss Army Nerd • Member • Posts: 2908 • A pie in the hand is worth two in the mail. ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #320 on: January 10, 2013, 10:41:48 PM » The other one is the service contract for my cable or satellite TV service. For just an additional 6.00 a month I can get a service contract so if there is any problem with the equipment, a service call will only cost me twenty dollars, other wise I have to pay the full price of 85.00. I told one person who tried to sell me on this that the problem they had is that I knew how to do simple math. 6.00 a month was 72.00 dollars a year, a service call would cost me 20.00 so the first service call would actually cost me 92.00, as opposed to the 85.00 I would have to pay if I did not have the contract. I would need to have two service calls in one year before it would be beneficial, I never take them up on it. Of course, if you suddenly develop, say, a mouse problem that makes it likely you'll need those service calls to fix nibbled wiring until you get rid of the mice, you can add it on until the mice have been relocated, then take if off again when you're back to not needing it. I actually had a CSR from my local service company suggest that once when we were having trouble and couldn't yet tell if it was at the street, or in the house. They suggested adding the plan right then, getting the service call, and if the problem were at our end, we'd be covered. If it was at their end, we'd only be out$2 for the month, and could cancel the coverage the next month.
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#### siamesecat2965

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« Reply #321 on: January 11, 2013, 11:51:41 AM »
I just thought of this one, not so much a scam, but defintiely designed to take advantage of folks who might not realize it isn't really such a good deal after all.

A handfull of years ago, a certain car manufacturer was running a deal, no money down, and no payments for a year. At first glance, wow, great deal, right? Nope. Said brand of car didn't hold their value, so let's say you bought a car costing $20K, and put nothing down. And didn't have gap insurance. You drive it for a year, make no payments, yay, but at the end of that year, car is now only worth, let's say$12-13K. But your loan is for 20. Something happens to it, insurance will pay you the value of the car, NOT what you owe.

I had a friend who just oculdn't understand why this was such a bad deal, as it, according to her "allowed you to get a car with no monies" well yes, but the better alternative might be to buy one that costs less, and fits your budget better.

#### doodlemor

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« Reply #322 on: January 11, 2013, 12:55:24 PM »
Regarding the gas rip off scheme........

A few years back I answered the phone to a telemarketer offering some sort of a gas card "bargain."  I told her quite truthfully that.....

"I never buy gas in the US, and I always pay cash."

The telemarketer got off the phone after that strange statement.

This was true, and still is.  We buy our gas on the lands of the Seneca Nation.

#### phred246

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« Reply #323 on: January 11, 2013, 01:34:24 PM »
In August (2012), I bought DD2 a laptop for her use as a college freshman.  I set it up for her in her dorm room.  She called me up after a week because the keys were not working right. I told her to call tech support, she did, all they told her was that she had to buy a software maintenance contract, on a week old system, under warranty! I went to her dorm (60 miles round trip), determined that the keyboard was bad, and that it was a known h/w issue with that particular brand! I drove back to the store I bought it from and requested a different brand  with the same features, even if I had to pay a bit more! I got a different brand, same price, took it back up to her, and set it up. It has been working just fine, so when I buy a new one, I will buy that same brand.
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#### FauxFoodist

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« Reply #324 on: January 11, 2013, 02:15:21 PM »
I don't know if I could call this a scam, but the manager definitely tried to pull one over on me.

I used to live in north San Diego and would drive to visit a friend in northern CA.  I didn't have a car so I would rent one to visit him.  I usually went to the car rental agency near my work because a) they ALWAYS provided excellent service and b) it was more convenient to take care of the car pick-up and return during my lunch hour.

One day, I decided to do use the location near my apartment since it was just down the street and I was off from work the day I was to leave.  That company usually offered a rental special for the weekend for compact cars -- if you rented for Fri/Sat/Sun returning Monday, then the rate was $9.99/day with unlimited mileage. With insurance (also$9.99/day for the compact), this was a great deal for me, and I didn't mind driving long distances so-o-o-o-o I rented the car to make a quick trip to northern CA to see my friend...about a 1,000-mile round-trip.

When I brought the car back, the employee checking in the car, I think, freaked out a little at the number of miles and referred my transaction to the manager.  This is where this location forever lost my business and became scammers -- the manager tried to convince me that the employee who checked the car out to me had made an error and gave me the wrong rate.  Yeah, right.  He tried saying this to me about 2-3 times.  I pointed out that it was a rental CONTRACT I signed and that the employee had provided it to me with the authorization of the company and said nothing more (the contract mention making it very clear to him that I knew EXACTLY what he was trying to pull, which was charge me at a higher rate or for the # of miles I drove the car).  Manager backed off, and I only paid my $60+tax that I owed them. I never went back to that location, and I think I submitted a complaint on the company's website praising the location near my work and condemning the location near my apartment for what they just tried to do. #### snowflake • Member • Posts: 1482 ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #325 on: January 11, 2013, 02:19:08 PM » Regarding the gas rip off scheme........ A few years back I answered the phone to a telemarketer offering some sort of a gas card "bargain." I told her quite truthfully that..... "I never buy gas in the US, and I always pay cash." The telemarketer got off the phone after that strange statement. This was true, and still is. We buy our gas on the lands of the Seneca Nation. About 20 years ago I was targeted by an car insurance sales company. I told them that I didn't have a car (I was in grad school and lived in a large city with good public transit.) They kept telling me that it was common for people without cars to buy the insurance first and I was being a negligent human by not paying for it. At that point I figured it was a scam. One day they called me up and offered me$50 of free gas if I bought their insurance.  I said, "I don't own a car and don't plan to buy one!  I don't want your insurance so please stop calling me!"

The woman said, "Well don't you want the gas certificate to fill up your riding lawn mower?"

The sheer inanity of that made me laugh for a good ten minutes.

#### 2littlemonkeys

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« Reply #326 on: January 11, 2013, 02:47:55 PM »

About 20 years ago I was targeted by an car insurance sales company. I told them that I didn't have a car (I was in grad school and lived in a large city with good public transit.) They kept telling me that it was common for people without cars to buy the insurance first and I was being a negligent human by not paying for it.  At that point I figured it was a scam.

One day they called me up and offered me $50 of free gas if I bought their insurance. I said, "I don't own a car and don't plan to buy one! I don't want your insurance so please stop calling me!" The woman said, "Well don't you want the gas certificate to fill up your riding lawn mower?" The sheer inanity of that made me laugh for a good ten minutes. Wait. WHAT? That doesn't even make sense on so many levels! (And I know you know that but...WHAT?) #### LazyDaisy • Member • Posts: 1154 ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #327 on: January 11, 2013, 02:57:03 PM » About 20 years ago I was targeted by an car insurance sales company. I told them that I didn't have a car (I was in grad school and lived in a large city with good public transit.) They kept telling me that it was common for people without cars to buy the insurance first and I was being a negligent human by not paying for it. At that point I figured it was a scam. One day they called me up and offered me$50 of free gas if I bought their insurance.  I said, "I don't own a car and don't plan to buy one!  I don't want your insurance so please stop calling me!"

The woman said, "Well don't you want the gas certificate to fill up your riding lawn mower?"

The sheer inanity of that made me laugh for a good ten minutes.

Wait.  WHAT?  That doesn't even make sense on so many levels! (And I know you know that but...WHAT?)

I think that in California at least, a car dealership can't legally sell a car to someone without proof of minimum insurance coverage...so yes, those in the market to buy a car would set up the insurance first, buy the car and then drive it off the lot...sort of like needing the drivers license first, then buying the car. But it is ridiculous that she kept it up after you indicated that you were not intending to buy a car at all.
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#### 2littlemonkeys

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« Reply #328 on: January 11, 2013, 04:31:39 PM »

About 20 years ago I was targeted by an car insurance sales company. I told them that I didn't have a car (I was in grad school and lived in a large city with good public transit.) They kept telling me that it was common for people without cars to buy the insurance first and I was being a negligent human by not paying for it.  At that point I figured it was a scam.

One day they called me up and offered me \$50 of free gas if I bought their insurance.  I said, "I don't own a car and don't plan to buy one!  I don't want your insurance so please stop calling me!"

The woman said, "Well don't you want the gas certificate to fill up your riding lawn mower?"

The sheer inanity of that made me laugh for a good ten minutes.

Wait.  WHAT?  That doesn't even make sense on so many levels! (And I know you know that but...WHAT?)

I think that in California at least, a car dealership can't legally sell a car to someone without proof of minimum insurance coverage...so yes, those in the market to buy a car would set up the insurance first, buy the car and then drive it off the lot...sort of like needing the drivers license first, then buying the car. But it is ridiculous that she kept it up after you indicated that you were not intending to buy a car at all.

Oh, it's like that here in IL too but at least you're in the market for a car, have a make and model to work with and are usually thisclose to signing off on everything.  And you usually contact the insurance company to initiate the policy.  I can't believe they think anyone would fall for the "Well, I might have a car someday, so I really should just get insurance now." line.  I wonder how many did.

#### rose red

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« Reply #329 on: January 11, 2013, 04:38:38 PM »
During a vacation in Cancun, there were people at the airport in official looking booths selling tours at a discount.  When we got to the hotel for the welcome meeting, they warned guests those are scams and if anyone brought a tour to see them.  Luckily I talked my companions out of listening because we were late for the bus to the hotel.
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