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LazyDaisy

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #585 on: February 27, 2013, 12:16:28 PM »
I'd forgotten about this one that I fell for many years ago, until I was hit up for a similar deal yesterday. Not outright thievery, but certainly misrepresentation.

A guy rings my doorbell. He points to a van labeled "So and So Fine Meats." They do home delivery of really special gourmet meat and chicken. It seems that a customer was a no-show. The guy called his manager who suggested that instead driving all the way back with the delivery, he should go door-to-door and offer to sell stuff for half price to at least recoup the cost of driving around.

The guy explains that this was a really huge order. He shows a price list and says he has just about everything on the list. The prices are high, but if the meat is a good as he says, half price is a good deal. I bought 4 steaks. It never occurred to me to wonder why, for such a big order, they had not secured it with a credit card, instead of needing to sell it at any price.

The steaks were nothing special. I could have bought the same quality for more or less the same price at a supermarket, so I wasn't too badly ripped off, but it was definitely a con game.

Yesterday, I just told the guy "no thank you, I'm a vegetarian."
I disagree. I bet he's stealing from his employer or customer and pocketing the cash. You're not so much the victim of the scam as much as they are. But you are receiving stolen property. With so much product going out the door (or being delivered), the owner doesn't notice a few extra pounds here and there missing and the employee has "extra" to sell on the side.

I've never seen the scam using food, but I've seen it with gardening and construction materials. A legitimate work truck driving through a neighborhood sees a homeowner out in their yard and wouldn't you know they have a few "extra" bags of fertilizer or flats of plants that the customer "didn't need" and they'll sell for cash. The customer probably wasn't counting the number of bags the workers used or noticed a few missing plants but they paid for it.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #586 on: February 27, 2013, 12:19:41 PM »
I had one recently. My husband and I were shopping at an upscale outlet mall in a touristy area. A young couple claimed to have run out of gas and needed just a few dollars to get back home. I declined. If you're that close to home, surely you know people in the area you could call for $5. At that distance, you could even walk home. But instead you're begging in an area likely to be filled with tourists with pockets full 'o cash? No, I don't buy it.

Ten minutes later I wasn't surprised to see them running to a pick-up truck, starting it, and hightailing it out of there. Gee, looks like they had gas after all. I figure one of the stores threatened to call the cops if they didn't leave the property.

In small towns, I'm much more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. In large towns and tourist areas, I assume I'm being swindled.
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« Reply #587 on: February 27, 2013, 12:31:22 PM »
Nutrax, I bought the same "deal" you did years ago.  I don't remember what the story was, other than claiming to drum up business, but the guy had a legit looking freezer truck (some brand, not Schwan's though).  The steaks and burgers were nothing special but not too overpriced so I imagine it was more of a "fell off the truck" deal than a price gouging scam.  I lived in that house for three more years and never saw them again.


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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #588 on: February 27, 2013, 12:37:52 PM »
I always figured the "your neighbor canceled their order" frozen food thing was just a selling tactic but not a scam. DH bought some once, it was pretty good meat at an okay price. I don't think we'll do it again but we didn't feel ripped off.

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« Reply #589 on: February 27, 2013, 12:39:43 PM »
Quote from: LazyDaisy link=topic=121827.msg2896089#msg2896089 date=1361988988
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I've never seen the scam using food, but I've seen it with gardening and construction materials. A legitimate work truck driving through a neighborhood sees a homeowner out in their yard and wouldn't you know they have a few "extra" bags of fertilizer or flats of plants that the customer "didn't need" and they'll sell for cash. The customer probably wasn't counting the number of bags the workers used or noticed a few missing plants but they paid for it.

I got someone to mulch my roses last year (? year before?) that way. I never thought about it being a "fell off the truck" type thing for mulch.  It's the same people coming by 3-4 times every year though, so maybe it's legit.
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LazyDaisy

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #590 on: February 27, 2013, 12:53:13 PM »
Be careful if you ever contract with them to do work. When they say you need x lbs. of mulch to cover your yard, count that they have that much mulch with them, and count the number of used bags after they're finished. Most people just make sure the workers did the job right, not that they actually used all of the product being billed for. Same with tile work, paint, etc. anything that is purchased in bulk and is easy to "lose" a box/bag/gallon here and there. I also require them to leave all extra with me if they over estimated (and they usually do because they don't want to run short). I might need extra down the line for repairs or touch up. Or, if you don't want it, be sure you get a credit back for it.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #591 on: February 27, 2013, 01:49:51 PM »
My DH got a phishing email the other day. They did a good job- it looked pretty legit. It was supposedly a receipt from PayPal, showing his recent purchase of a watch. They were banking on him hitting the "Report problem" link at the bottom in a panic, to say he didn't buy that watch, and having him input his correct PayPal information to verify his account.

I got that one the other day!

My personal hotmail email account is my first name, plus the rest of my initials--for example, midgecdf@blahblah.com. When I looked at the "to" field on that email, it had been sent to midgecdf@blahblah.com, midgemmm@blahblah.com, midgeabc@blahblah.com, etc. They just typed in a first name, a bunch of letters after, and hit send, hoping for the best!

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #592 on: February 27, 2013, 01:56:25 PM »
When we were on vacation in New Mexico last year, we saw groups of young people at highway exits who had signage that they were stranded. They had beautiful guitars with them, and reminded me of the people in the 60's that hitchhiked across the US. We would see groups of 2-6, some with pets. I just wonder how someone gets stranded in a tiny town in NM, and doesn't either find a job or sell their valuables to get them bus fare.

Makes no sense to me!
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #593 on: February 27, 2013, 02:13:09 PM »
When we were on vacation in New Mexico last year, we saw groups of young people at highway exits who had signage that they were stranded. They had beautiful guitars with them, and reminded me of the people in the 60's that hitchhiked across the US. We would see groups of 2-6, some with pets. I just wonder how someone gets stranded in a tiny town in NM, and doesn't either find a job or sell their valuables to get them bus fare.

Makes no sense to me!
Was the tiny town Cuba, perchance?
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #594 on: February 27, 2013, 02:34:03 PM »
Raton and Springer is where we saw them.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #595 on: February 27, 2013, 04:01:57 PM »
Here's one I am wondering about:

My Mom once got a spam that had been spoofed to look like it came from one of my e-mail addys - a rather old one on Yahoo!, actually, that I recently revived for wedding planning. I changed my password and didn't think too much on it.

However, she keeps occasionally getting spam/scam e-mails that say they're from my first & last name (say, Jedi Kaiti), but with a wholly different e-mail address - usually Yahoo! it seems, but I'm not 100% certain on that. The thing is, she is the ONLY person getting these (or at least to have mentioned it to me), and come to find out today, she's gotten some similar ones purporting to be from one of my cousins, as well!

I'm a little baffled - it can't be that someone got my contacts from that account, there are only 2 in there, neither of whom are Mom. Maybe they scraped info out of the sent mail folder, but then why haven't my DF, MOH, or officiant gotten these emails - to say nothing of photographers and other service providers I've been corresponding with.

I'm a little confoosled.
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« Reply #596 on: February 27, 2013, 04:14:14 PM »
I'd forgotten about this one that I fell for many years ago, until I was hit up for a similar deal yesterday. Not outright thievery, but certainly misrepresentation.

A guy rings my doorbell. He points to a van labeled "So and So Fine Meats." They do home delivery of really special gourmet meat and chicken. It seems that a customer was a no-show. The guy called his manager who suggested that instead driving all the way back with the delivery, he should go door-to-door and offer to sell stuff for half price to at least recoup the cost of driving around.

The guy explains that this was a really huge order. He shows a price list and says he has just about everything on the list. The prices are high, but if the meat is a good as he says, half price is a good deal. I bought 4 steaks. It never occurred to me to wonder why, for such a big order, they had not secured it with a credit card, instead of needing to sell it at any price.

The steaks were nothing special. I could have bought the same quality for more or less the same price at a supermarket, so I wasn't too badly ripped off, but it was definitely a con game.

Yesterday, I just told the guy "no thank you, I'm a vegetarian."

I second Alkira
This isn't a scam at all.  I've gotten some really good meat from guys looking to sell what's left on the truck at the end of the day.  I've gotten meat up to 50% off.  Of course it all depends on the provider, but the companies around here are pretty good.

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« Reply #597 on: February 27, 2013, 04:21:32 PM »
I'd forgotten about this one that I fell for many years ago, until I was hit up for a similar deal yesterday. Not outright thievery, but certainly misrepresentation.

A guy rings my doorbell. He points to a van labeled "So and So Fine Meats." They do home delivery of really special gourmet meat and chicken. It seems that a customer was a no-show. The guy called his manager who suggested that instead driving all the way back with the delivery, he should go door-to-door and offer to sell stuff for half price to at least recoup the cost of driving around.

The guy explains that this was a really huge order. He shows a price list and says he has just about everything on the list. The prices are high, but if the meat is a good as he says, half price is a good deal. I bought 4 steaks. It never occurred to me to wonder why, for such a big order, they had not secured it with a credit card, instead of needing to sell it at any price.

The steaks were nothing special. I could have bought the same quality for more or less the same price at a supermarket, so I wasn't too badly ripped off, but it was definitely a con game.

Yesterday, I just told the guy "no thank you, I'm a vegetarian."

I second Alkira
This isn't a scam at all.  I've gotten some really good meat from guys looking to sell what's left on the truck at the end of the day.  I've gotten meat up to 50% off.  Of course it all depends on the provider, but the companies around here are pretty good.

You could always call the company directly and ask them if this sort of thing is authorized.
What part of v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}} don't you understand? It's only rocket science!

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #598 on: February 27, 2013, 05:32:50 PM »
My friend had one yesterday, which could have been scary, but she's no dummy! she said some guy came up to her, asking if he could use her phone, as he may have missed his ride. without missing a beat she told him, sorry, I don't have one, but I bet if you go into one of the nearby stores, they'd let you use theirs. He said no, he was afraid if he did, his ride might leave him!  she then told him she wasn't born yeterday and got in her car!

I told her he was probably hoping she had a nice, expensive phone, and when she handed it over for him to use, he'd take off with it. She then said, well, he'd be pretty disappointed as her phone is not a smartphone, old, and dog chewed!

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« Reply #599 on: February 27, 2013, 08:35:22 PM »
Here's one I am wondering about:

My Mom once got a spam that had been spoofed to look like it came from one of my e-mail addys - a rather old one on Yahoo!, actually, that I recently revived for wedding planning. I changed my password and didn't think too much on it.

However, she keeps occasionally getting spam/scam e-mails that say they're from my first & last name (say, Jedi Kaiti), but with a wholly different e-mail address - usually Yahoo! it seems, but I'm not 100% certain on that. The thing is, she is the ONLY person getting these (or at least to have mentioned it to me), and come to find out today, she's gotten some similar ones purporting to be from one of my cousins, as well!

I'm a little baffled - it can't be that someone got my contacts from that account, there are only 2 in there, neither of whom are Mom. Maybe they scraped info out of the sent mail folder, but then why haven't my DF, MOH, or officiant gotten these emails - to say nothing of photographers and other service providers I've been corresponding with.

I'm a little confoosled.

My mom's gotten two emails recently - one labeled to look like it came from my brother, and one labeled to look like it came from me. Thankfully mom noticed that the emails are different from the ones we use (and why on earth would we email her when we're both in the house with her?).