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#### MrTango

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« Reply #945 on: May 20, 2013, 12:20:20 PM »
Mine was used once for a child's movie ticket in Texas, purchased online. Small purchases, and using them online or at a gas pump are very common ways to test out the usability of a newly-stolen card or card #, I believe.

I imagine it going down a bit like this:
Steal a credit card, use it at a gas pump to put gas in your car.
A few days later, the local police (with full cooperation fom the gas station's owners) determine that the card in question was used at pump 3 at 2:13am.  Security cameras show a green Chevy with license plate 123-XYZ filling up at Pump 7 from 2:11 until 2:14am.

Police officer gets into his car, runs the plate and determines that the car is registered to Mr. John Doe at 123 Mainstreet, just a couple blocks from the station.  Officers goes to Mr. Doe's house and learns from Mr. Doe that Jack Doe (John's 17-year-old son) had the car that night and didn't get home until about 2:30am.  Mr. Doe says his son has been out of control lately and allows Officer to search Jack's room where the stolen credit card is located along with several different types of illicit drugs, fake IDs, and other stolen property.

Jack Doe returns home from another day of skipping school to find his father and a couple police officers waiting in the living room.

There's also this scenario:

Scammer Joe acquires a wallet that is not his, and decides to go shopping. To make sure his new credit cards haven't already been reported lost/stolen, he acquires a car which is also not his, and runs to a gas station to fill it up. The card is rejected, so he just takes off, tosses the wallet somewhere, and ditches the car. Since he was using pay at the pump, there's no potential embarassment (or human eyewitnesses), and his hat obscured his face from the security cameras.

That happens too.  Sometimes, they're even smart enough to wear gloves so as to not leave fingerprints all over the car.

#### dawbs

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« Reply #946 on: May 20, 2013, 12:34:48 PM »
Mine was used once for a child's movie ticket in Texas, purchased online. Small purchases, and using them online or at a gas pump are very common ways to test out the usability of a newly-stolen card or card #, I believe.

I imagine it going down a bit like this:
Steal a credit card, use it at a gas pump to put gas in your car.
A few days later, the local police (with full cooperation fom the gas station's owners) determine that the card in question was used at pump 3 at 2:13am.  Security cameras show a green Chevy with license plate 123-XYZ filling up at Pump 7 from 2:11 until 2:14am.

Police officer gets into his car, runs the plate and determines that the car is registered to Mr. John Doe at 123 Mainstreet, just a couple blocks from the station.  Officers goes to Mr. Doe's house and learns from Mr. Doe that Jack Doe (John's 17-year-old son) had the car that night and didn't get home until about 2:30am.  Mr. Doe says his son has been out of control lately and allows Officer to search Jack's room where the stolen credit card is located along with several different types of illicit drugs, fake IDs, and other stolen property.

Jack Doe returns home from another day of skipping school to find his father and a couple police officers waiting in the living room.

There's also this scenario:

Scammer Joe acquires a wallet that is not his, and decides to go shopping. To make sure his new credit cards haven't already been reported lost/stolen, he acquires a car which is also not his, and runs to a gas station to fill it up. The card is rejected, so he just takes off, tosses the wallet somewhere, and ditches the car. Since he was using pay at the pump, there's no potential embarassment (or human eyewitnesses), and his hat obscured his face from the security cameras.

Last time we had one stolen, it looked more like this:

Scammer Joe steals a number from somewhere.
Scammer Joe orders and has DELIVERED to an address (other side of the country from me), $500 worth of specialty food. Scam-me finds fraudulent charges and gives all of the information, INCLUDING where the food was delivered to, a contact # for the restaurant folks who were scammed (who are itching to press charges and recoup) and a possible name of the scammer to the CC company, the local PD in our area and the PD in the area where the scam took place. And all of those people threw out the information because, red tape/it's easier just to eat the loss. #### Momiitz • Member • Posts: 141 ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #947 on: May 20, 2013, 12:52:59 PM » I encountered a scammer at the grocery store this morning. An older lady in a store owned electric scooter came up to me and asked me for help. I thought maybe she needed help getting something off one of the high shelves. She asked me how I was going to pay for my groceries. I told her with money I saved in my bank account. She was trying to tell me some story but at that point didn't even listen to what she was saying. She wanted to pay for my groceries with her debit card and then I could give her cash for the groceries. Of course I had heard of this scam before. She was going to pay for my groceries with her food stamps card and I was to give her cash so could spend it on nonfood items. I told her no thanks I'm not interested in doing that. She gave me a look and said "its the same thing." She left me alone after that. I went and told the store manager to let him know about this lady and her scam. The look he gave me when I told him let me know that she's tried this before at the store. He told me that what she was doing was illegal and they would take care of it right away. They must have threatened her with calling the police because she was gone very quickly and was not waiting outside or anything which I worried about. #### MommyPenguin • Member • Posts: 4132 ##### Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers « Reply #948 on: May 20, 2013, 01:02:19 PM » Our credit card numbers have been stolen a few times. Several times the credit card company has called to tell us that they had some sort of leak and a bunch of credit card numbers were compromised, so we wouldn't be able to use our card and would get a new one. <sigh> I hate when that happens, as then we have to memorize a new number. And they've done it like 2-3 times, too! Other times they call our home phone number to verify charges. Most of the times, it's just weird purchases we've made (yes, we really did spend a thousand dollars at the LEGO store, doesn't everybody?). Or weird purchasing habits, like the time I went to the grocery store (that is like a Super Walmart, so tons of non-grocery items). I wanted to buy a baby pool for the kids. But it was too big to carry around while getting groceries, so I paid for it, took it out to my car, then came back to buy groceries. Having a small purchase ($7 or so?) and then trying to make a larger purchase at the same store was a trigger, so my card was declined.  However, they did once call because somebody tried to book an airline ticket with the airline of the United Arab Emirates... that one definitely was stolen.
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#### jedikaiti

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« Reply #949 on: May 20, 2013, 01:09:09 PM »

#### Kaymyth

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« Reply #953 on: May 20, 2013, 09:13:47 PM »
Mine was used once for a child's movie ticket in Texas, purchased online. Small purchases, and using them online or at a gas pump are very common ways to test out the usability of a newly-stolen card or card #, I believe.

I imagine it going down a bit like this:
Steal a credit card, use it at a gas pump to put gas in your car.
A few days later, the local police (with full cooperation fom the gas station's owners) determine that the card in question was used at pump 3 at 2:13am.  Security cameras show a green Chevy with license plate 123-XYZ filling up at Pump 7 from 2:11 until 2:14am.

Police officer gets into his car, runs the plate and determines that the car is registered to Mr. John Doe at 123 Mainstreet, just a couple blocks from the station.  Officers goes to Mr. Doe's house and learns from Mr. Doe that Jack Doe (John's 17-year-old son) had the car that night and didn't get home until about 2:30am.  Mr. Doe says his son has been out of control lately and allows Officer to search Jack's room where the stolen credit card is located along with several different types of illicit drugs, fake IDs, and other stolen property.

Jack Doe returns home from another day of skipping school to find his father and a couple police officers waiting in the living room.

Fun fact:  for larger commercial gas stations that are all prepay/pay at the pump with no risk of a drive-off, their security cameras aren't pointed at the pump.

When my credit card was stolen, it wasn't the gas station purchases that got the thief - it was the Wal-Mart surveillance video.

#### glacio

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« Reply #954 on: May 21, 2013, 08:43:57 PM »
My mom accidentally found a way to get off the religious rounds. She was about seven months pregnant and looking every bit of it while living in an area that got religious visitors at least once a month. She was part of an Irish club and was getting ready for their monthly lunch meetings, which for her meant bringing the alcoholic Irish coffees. The doorbell rang as she was getting ready at about 10 in the morning, so she went to open the door. The two poor teenage looking boys looked at her stomach, looked at the whiskey in her hand, looked back at her stomach and said "We won't bother you ma'am." We never got another knock on the door.

#### kherbert05

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« Reply #955 on: May 21, 2013, 09:25:06 PM »
Sis's car died. They went car shopping Saturday. They picked out a new car put down a down payment. It was used they wanted a few things checked out. They were supposed to pick it up today.

I picked up the kids from school. Get a text this isn't going well. When they get home the kids are very disappointed - no new car.

When they got to the dealership the sales person tried to rush them to the financing office. They insisted they test drive the car to see if the maintiance was done. They get in the car - it isn't the same car. Bait and switch. They had driven at 2012 with video system. The car that was written up was a 2011 without one.

Then the sales people tried to tell Sis and BIL they had no choice but to buy the 2011 because of the paper work was written up, they had signed some papers and put down the down payment.

HOnestly I think the sales people thought they were dealing with a couple of 20 somethings frazzled with 2 kids - Sis and BIL easily look late 20's maybe early 30's and they have an 8 and 5 year old (they also have a 20 year old -but she wasn't there).

Sis called their bluff on that. Then they tried to prevent Sis and BIL from leaving with their copies of the paper work. Sis got them to back down So they got to leave with their proof of the attempted fraud. The lawyer will be called tomorrow to see were they should file their official complaints. Reviews will be written and posted ASAP.

I'm taking the kids to Iron man 3 Saturday. Sis and BIL are going to look at some other places for a car.
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#### CuriousParty

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« Reply #956 on: May 21, 2013, 10:19:41 PM »
Sis's car died. They went car shopping Saturday. They picked out a new car put down a down payment. It was used they wanted a few things checked out. They were supposed to pick it up today.

I picked up the kids from school. Get a text this isn't going well. When they get home the kids are very disappointed - no new car.

When they got to the dealership the sales person tried to rush them to the financing office. They insisted they test drive the car to see if the maintiance was done. They get in the car - it isn't the same car. Bait and switch. They had driven at 2012 with video system. The car that was written up was a 2011 without one.

Then the sales people tried to tell Sis and BIL they had no choice but to buy the 2011 because of the paper work was written up, they had signed some papers and put down the down payment.

HOnestly I think the sales people thought they were dealing with a couple of 20 somethings frazzled with 2 kids - Sis and BIL easily look late 20's maybe early 30's and they have an 8 and 5 year old (they also have a 20 year old -but she wasn't there).

Sis called their bluff on that. Then they tried to prevent Sis and BIL from leaving with their copies of the paper work. Sis got them to back down So they got to leave with their proof of the attempted fraud. The lawyer will be called tomorrow to see were they should file their official complaints. Reviews will be written and posted ASAP.

I'm taking the kids to Iron man 3 Saturday. Sis and BIL are going to look at some other places for a car.
Oooohh, the Texas AG's Consumer Protection division looks poorly on such behavior...I've dealt with them (as a consumer). Should be some interesting fireworks there.

#### siamesecat2965

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« Reply #957 on: May 22, 2013, 09:45:12 AM »
Sis's car died. They went car shopping Saturday. They picked out a new car put down a down payment. It was used they wanted a few things checked out. They were supposed to pick it up today.

I picked up the kids from school. Get a text this isn't going well. When they get home the kids are very disappointed - no new car.

When they got to the dealership the sales person tried to rush them to the financing office. They insisted they test drive the car to see if the maintiance was done. They get in the car - it isn't the same car. Bait and switch. They had driven at 2012 with video system. The car that was written up was a 2011 without one.

Then the sales people tried to tell Sis and BIL they had no choice but to buy the 2011 because of the paper work was written up, they had signed some papers and put down the down payment.

HOnestly I think the sales people thought they were dealing with a couple of 20 somethings frazzled with 2 kids - Sis and BIL easily look late 20's maybe early 30's and they have an 8 and 5 year old (they also have a 20 year old -but she wasn't there).

Sis called their bluff on that. Then they tried to prevent Sis and BIL from leaving with their copies of the paper work. Sis got them to back down So they got to leave with their proof of the attempted fraud. The lawyer will be called tomorrow to see were they should file their official complaints. Reviews will be written and posted ASAP.

I'm taking the kids to Iron man 3 Saturday. Sis and BIL are going to look at some other places for a car.
Oooohh, the Texas AG's Consumer Protection division looks poorly on such behavior...I've dealt with them (as a consumer). Should be some interesting fireworks there.

Oh that's horrible. I just bought a new (used) car. COuldn't have been easier. But I also had checked out the dealer's website, saw exactly what I wanted (Camry on a Chevy lot, returned lease) and went in, drove it, signed the papers, and showed up bearing money on Sat, and drove it home. It didn't hurt my friend's dad works for the leasing co. owned by the owner of the dealership, and this one of HIS leases the dealership bought, so he KNEW it was in awesome shape.  but I read online reviews, and they were all positive. And my friend also told me I got the "family rate" on my extended warranty.

This story is exactly why I am hesitant every time I buy a car.

#### cwm

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« Reply #958 on: May 22, 2013, 10:40:57 AM »
My mom accidentally found a way to get off the religious rounds. She was about seven months pregnant and looking every bit of it while living in an area that got religious visitors at least once a month. She was part of an Irish club and was getting ready for their monthly lunch meetings, which for her meant bringing the alcoholic Irish coffees. The doorbell rang as she was getting ready at about 10 in the morning, so she went to open the door. The two poor teenage looking boys looked at her stomach, looked at the whiskey in her hand, looked back at her stomach and said "We won't bother you ma'am." We never got another knock on the door.

A friend's mom was cooking dinner, cutting up vegetables with a huge knife. Religious visitors showed up at her door and she answered it, not even thinking about the giant knife in her hands. She kept a big smile on her face and said that no, she was perfectly happy with her religion, thank you very much. They never came back.

My dad found another way to deal with them. He was on the ground under his car, covered in grease and sweat. These two gentlemen were very well dressed going door-to-door talking religion. My dad gave them a simple response. If they got down with him to work on his car on his one day off so it would work for him and his family, he would give them an equal amount of time listening to their religious spiel. He promised to be respectful about it, but he really needed to get the car working before tomorrow. They never bothered us again.

#### StuffedGrapeLeaves

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« Reply #959 on: May 22, 2013, 10:43:31 AM »
My mom accidentally found a way to get off the religious rounds. She was about seven months pregnant and looking every bit of it while living in an area that got religious visitors at least once a month. She was part of an Irish club and was getting ready for their monthly lunch meetings, which for her meant bringing the alcoholic Irish coffees. The doorbell rang as she was getting ready at about 10 in the morning, so she went to open the door. The two poor teenage looking boys looked at her stomach, looked at the whiskey in her hand, looked back at her stomach and said "We won't bother you ma'am." We never got another knock on the door.

A friend's mom was cooking dinner, cutting up vegetables with a huge knife. Religious visitors showed up at her door and she answered it, not even thinking about the giant knife in her hands. She kept a big smile on her face and said that no, she was perfectly happy with her religion, thank you very much. They never came back.

My dad found another way to deal with them. He was on the ground under his car, covered in grease and sweat. These two gentlemen were very well dressed going door-to-door talking religion. My dad gave them a simple response. If they got down with him to work on his car on his one day off so it would work for him and his family, he would give them an equal amount of time listening to their religious spiel. He promised to be respectful about it, but he really needed to get the car working before tomorrow. They never bothered us again.

I pretended once not to speak English when religious people came to my door, and watched them got frustrated when they were trying to communicate with me and I spouted nonsense words or random English phrases in a bad accent.  They never bothered us again.