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Thipu1

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1245 on: June 29, 2013, 01:46:12 PM »
Got another magazine subscription scam today. 

It was for the 'renewal' of a magazine to which We have not subscribed for at least five years. 

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1246 on: June 29, 2013, 01:47:57 PM »
I got a renewal notice claiming to be from my internet security provider!
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1247 on: June 29, 2013, 06:43:42 PM »
I got a renewal notice claiming to be from my internet security provider!
I have Norton on my desktop and McAfee on my laptop, I get a renewal notice each year, for both.  Totally legit.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1248 on: July 02, 2013, 05:19:44 AM »
Oh, Reader's Digest.  Years ago, I decided to not renew as the quality is no longer as good and I can read it for free from the library.  I figure, don't renew and they'll just stop sending magazines, right?  Wrong.  One day, they sent a harsh letter demanding that I owe money because they mailed two magazines after my subscription ran out.  And now I need to mail a check for those two issues and while I was at it, I can easily and conveniently go ahead and renew for another year.  They mailed several of those letters before I wrote back stating I never asked for those two issues and if they decided to mail them without my permission, that's their problem.

Yeah they did that to me also and actually got collections on me. Shot that one down pretty quickly.


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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1249 on: July 02, 2013, 07:31:04 AM »
Yesterday I got one of those "Wouldn't you like to give us money, and we promise it'll all go to helping disabled veterans!" callers.  It gave me great pleasure to tell the guy that my husband is the quartermaster for our local VFW, and all of our donations go there.  I encouraged him to remind the veterans that the VFW is there to help them.  He was polite, but not thrilled by my response.

Got a similar call a few years back from someone claiming to represent our state police charity. I'm actually pretty sure it was legit, though, but while talking to the guy he mentioned my past support.

Me:  what past support?
Him:  you contributed to our charity in 2005.
Me:  You know, I don't appreciate being lied to.
Him:  Excuse me?
Me:  In 2004 I was in Korea.
Him:  Oh. I, uh....
Me:  [click]

Haven't heard back from them since.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1250 on: July 02, 2013, 09:07:38 AM »
Yesterday I got one of those "Wouldn't you like to give us money, and we promise it'll all go to helping disabled veterans!" callers.  It gave me great pleasure to tell the guy that my husband is the quartermaster for our local VFW, and all of our donations go there.  I encouraged him to remind the veterans that the VFW is there to help them.  He was polite, but not thrilled by my response.

Got a similar call a few years back from someone claiming to represent our state police charity. I'm actually pretty sure it was legit, though, but while talking to the guy he mentioned my past support.

Me:  what past support?
Him:  you contributed to our charity in 2005.
Me:  You know, I don't appreciate being lied to.
Him:  Excuse me?
Me:  In 2004 I was in Korea.
Him:  Oh. I, uh....
Me:  [click]

Haven't heard back from them since.

It was not legitimate! If it was, a very small per centage of the donations go to the charity.

Before we had caller ID, I used to remind the caller that our local police warned us never to donate to charities that called us, particularly for all police and firefighters (true - a notice comes out every spring). If they were still on the line, I asked them what per cent of donations actually went to the police, and if they hemmed and hawed around, I asked if the caller was a volunteer or on a salary.

Many "charities" are cloaked with a name that sounds like the national ones we are all familiar with. For example, Make-a-Wish is pretty good, but the Kid's Wish Network uses less than 3% to send kids on trips.

I used to have a Favorite with a list of per cents turned for the claimed purpose, but can't find it. Maybe another member can find it.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1251 on: July 02, 2013, 09:20:18 AM »
  Mr. Thipu has a rare blood type and will give a pint when called by the Red Cross but we will never give make any sort of monetary donation to a charity that calls us. 

We've also found a way to get rid of many annoying calls.  Most telephone solicitors will hang up after three or four rings.  Anyone we would want to call us knows to let the phone ring at least five times before we will answer. 

You'd be amazed how well this works.   

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1252 on: July 02, 2013, 09:34:15 AM »
My father, who will be 81 next week is still as sharp as a tack, considering his immense health issues.  He is so onto scammers that sometimes we have to remind him some things are legit!  He will run something past my sister or I if it has to do with his computer or cable because sometimes they can be convincing.  He is really onto the foreign voices on the phone telling him it is time to update his Dell..he has a Gateway!

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1253 on: July 02, 2013, 10:31:01 AM »
Vetting Charities. This is from Consumer Reports and is US-centric. It gives tips, links to charity rating sites, and lists some of CU's high & low ratings in various categories, based on a review of the rating web sites.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1254 on: July 02, 2013, 10:42:28 AM »
Vetting Charities. This is from Consumer Reports and is US-centric. It gives tips, links to charity rating sites, and lists some of CU's high & low ratings in various categories, based on a review of the rating web sites.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! This is important to me, which I was so shocked that I lost it!

My father, who will be 81 next week is still as sharp as a tack, considering his immense health issues.  He is so onto scammers that sometimes we have to remind him some things are legit!  He will run something past my sister or I if it has to do with his computer or cable because sometimes they can be convincing.  He is really onto the foreign voices on the phone telling him it is time to update his Dell..he has a Gateway!

I'm 68 and kind of not too bright, so I really need these resources, including our children.

By the way, http://www.theonion.com/articles/dell-acquired-by-gateway-2000-in-merger-of-2-bigge,31175/

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1255 on: July 02, 2013, 11:21:56 AM »
Vetting Charities. This is from Consumer Reports and is US-centric. It gives tips, links to charity rating sites, and lists some of CU's high & low ratings in various categories, based on a review of the rating web sites.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! This is important to me, which I was so shocked that I lost it!

My father, who will be 81 next week is still as sharp as a tack, considering his immense health issues.  He is so onto scammers that sometimes we have to remind him some things are legit!  He will run something past my sister or I if it has to do with his computer or cable because sometimes they can be convincing.  He is really onto the foreign voices on the phone telling him it is time to update his Dell..he has a Gateway!

I'm 68 and kind of not too bright, so I really need these resources, including our children.

By the way, http://www.theonion.com/articles/dell-acquired-by-gateway-2000-in-merger-of-2-bigge,31175/

erm...that's a fake article...did you mean to do that?  ???

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1256 on: July 02, 2013, 11:29:22 AM »
Yesterday I got one of those "Wouldn't you like to give us money, and we promise it'll all go to helping disabled veterans!" callers.  It gave me great pleasure to tell the guy that my husband is the quartermaster for our local VFW, and all of our donations go there.  I encouraged him to remind the veterans that the VFW is there to help them.  He was polite, but not thrilled by my response.

Got a similar call a few years back from someone claiming to represent our state police charity. I'm actually pretty sure it was legit, though, but while talking to the guy he mentioned my past support.

Me:  what past support?
Him:  you contributed to our charity in 2005.
Me:  You know, I don't appreciate being lied to.
Him:  Excuse me?
Me:  In 2004 I was in Korea.
Him:  Oh. I, uh....
Me:  [click]

Haven't heard back from them since.

It was not legitimate! If it was, a very small per centage of the donations go to the charity.

Before we had caller ID, I used to remind the caller that our local police warned us never to donate to charities that called us, particularly for all police and firefighters (true - a notice comes out every spring). If they were still on the line, I asked them what per cent of donations actually went to the police, and if they hemmed and hawed around, I asked if the caller was a volunteer or on a salary.

Many "charities" are cloaked with a name that sounds like the national ones we are all familiar with. For example, Make-a-Wish is pretty good, but the Kid's Wish Network uses less than 3% to send kids on trips.

I used to have a Favorite with a list of per cents turned for the claimed purpose, but can't find it. Maybe another member can find it.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/

Luci

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1257 on: July 02, 2013, 12:49:56 PM »
Vetting Charities. This is from Consumer Reports and is US-centric. It gives tips, links to charity rating sites, and lists some of CU's high & low ratings in various categories, based on a review of the rating web sites.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! This is important to me, which I was so shocked that I lost it!

My father, who will be 81 next week is still as sharp as a tack, considering his immense health issues.  He is so onto scammers that sometimes we have to remind him some things are legit!  He will run something past my sister or I if it has to do with his computer or cable because sometimes they can be convincing.  He is really onto the foreign voices on the phone telling him it is time to update his Dell..he has a Gateway!

I'm 68 and kind of not too bright, so I really need these resources, including our children.

By the way, http://www.theonion.com/articles/dell-acquired-by-gateway-2000-in-merger-of-2-bigge,31175/

erm...that's a fake article...did you mean to do that?  ???

Oh, dear! No. It's the Onion. How embarrassing!  :-[

Acer and Gateway, not Dell and Gateway, so ........... well, I told you, "Not too bright"!

Thanks!

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1258 on: July 02, 2013, 01:14:11 PM »
This is my favorite TED talk ever and deals with the topic of charities: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dead_wrong.html

two quick quotes:
“We have a visceral reaction to the idea that anyone would make very much money helping other people. Interesting that we don't have a visceral reaction to the notion that people would make a lot of money NOT helping other people.”

"Too many nonprofits, he says, are rewarded for how little they spend -- not for what they get done. Instead of equating frugality with morality, he asks us to start rewarding charities for their big goals and big accomplishments (even if that comes with big expenses)."


I know there are lots of fake charities out there where not a penny actually goes to the people/cause they say they serve, but judging a legitimate charity based on percentages, overhead costs, or compensation of it's employees is a strange double standard. Society has deemed for-profit companies who pay their employees well and spend large amounts of money developing and marketing new products or services as "good", but villianizes not-for-profit organizations that pay their employees well and spend money on marketing and research while trying to solve some of societies biggest problems as evil. I work for a non-profit and only make about 75% of what I would be making if I worked for a big corporation. Shouldn't I be actually rewarded more for choosing to work for an employer that helps society rather than sells another trinket? If I can't earn enough to pay my bills or feel appreciated for what I do, would it really be beneficial to society for me to go back to working for big corporate?
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1259 on: July 02, 2013, 01:43:55 PM »
This is my favorite TED talk ever and deals with the topic of charities: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dead_wrong.html

two quick quotes:
“We have a visceral reaction to the idea that anyone would make very much money helping other people. Interesting that we don't have a visceral reaction to the notion that people would make a lot of money NOT helping other people.”

"Too many nonprofits, he says, are rewarded for how little they spend -- not for what they get done. Instead of equating frugality with morality, he asks us to start rewarding charities for their big goals and big accomplishments (even if that comes with big expenses)."


I know there are lots of fake charities out there where not a penny actually goes to the people/cause they say they serve, but judging a legitimate charity based on percentages, overhead costs, or compensation of it's employees is a strange double standard. Society has deemed for-profit companies who pay their employees well and spend large amounts of money developing and marketing new products or services as "good", but villianizes not-for-profit organizations that pay their employees well and spend money on marketing and research while trying to solve some of societies biggest problems as evil. I work for a non-profit and only make about 75% of what I would be making if I worked for a big corporation. Shouldn't I be actually rewarded more for choosing to work for an employer that helps society rather than sells another trinket? If I can't earn enough to pay my bills or feel appreciated for what I do, would it really be beneficial to society for me to go back to working for big corporate?

As the wife of a social worker who hasn't had a cost of living raise in 6 years....can I get an AMEN?  :D