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Luci

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1545 on: August 29, 2013, 09:12:39 AM »
^ :) Didn't even catch that little detail! I was just enjoying the words. It's all in the details!

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1546 on: August 29, 2013, 02:19:04 PM »
I'm afraid one of my kids is a little scammer in the making.  I hope I was able to show her it never really works! 

BG: We were at Target one day and I got the kids their school backpacks.  As we were leaving, the security gates went off.  No one ever came over to investigate but I made sure the kids didn't accidentally have anything in their hands or pockets (they didn't.)  Of course, I had the receipt for everything in our bag, so we went on our merry way.  At home, I discovered one of those square security label things and I figure it was either supposed to be removed or disabled in some way and wasn't.  The kids were very concerned about the whole "gates going off" thing but I told that sometimes they do and as long as you aren't actually stealing anything, it's not a big deal because you'll have a receipt showing proof of payment.

So in the car the other day, DD8 (who has obviously been mulling this over) said, "Mom, I know how you can get past the gates!"

Me:  ??? Oh?  How?

DD8: Well, you just buy something.  Then you go back later and steal the same thing but bring your receipt.  Then when the gates go off, you just say, "Oh, it's okay, I have a receipt right here!" and then you have two things!

Me:  :o  Well, that sounds like it would work but every receipt has the date and time stamped on it.  The security guard would know you're lying.

DD8:  Oh.  I guess I didn't think of that.

Me:   :o  Well, please remember that stealing is ALWAYS wrong* and you will eventually get caught and it's really not ever worth it.  Dad and I will be extremely disappointed if we ever find out you're doing something like that.  (then I went into how it seems harmless but it really hurts everyone, yadda yadda yadda...)

She's a really good kid and I doubt she ever would steal anything.  She likes a good puzzle and went about solving the problem of security gates. But her logic scared me a little, LOL.

*I know there are circumstances where this could be debated but I didn't need to get into semantics with an 8-year old with a plan to successfully boost merchandise...


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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1547 on: August 29, 2013, 02:23:55 PM »
I know someone who's son would constantly do what he was told not to. Like putting his hand on a hot burner or lighting matches.

They went to SeaWorld, and he stole a necklace. Which wasn't discovered until they were almost at their car, when they marched him back to the security/police office and he had to explain what he did and pay for the necklace out of his allowance. He was 8.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1548 on: August 29, 2013, 02:27:19 PM »
I know someone who's son would constantly do what he was told not to. Like putting his hand on a hot burner or lighting matches.

They went to SeaWorld, and he stole a necklace. Which wasn't discovered until they were almost at their car, when they marched him back to the security/police office and he had to explain what he did and pay for the necklace out of his allowance. He was 8.

You'd think that would be a painful enough experience that he'd never do it again...

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1549 on: August 29, 2013, 03:22:51 PM »
No reason or logic to explain it.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1550 on: August 29, 2013, 03:34:29 PM »
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They went to SeaWorld, and he stole a necklace. Which wasn't discovered until they were almost at their car, when they marched him back to the security/police office and he had to explain what he did and pay for the necklace out of his allowance. He was 8.

I'm impressed by those parents. My mother did much the same thing to me when I was about that age and stole a candy bar from a small neighborhood market. I never stole again.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1551 on: August 29, 2013, 03:39:06 PM »
I remember stealing a pack of gum from the local store when I was five.  In my defense, I didn't think of it as stealing - I wanted it, my mother wouldn't buy it for me, so the choice to my childish mind was obvious.  :)

When my mother discovered it and knew darned well how I'd gotten it, she marched me back to the store to apologize to the manager.  I've never forgotten that.

Topic:  I was walking down the street the other day, happily listening to music on my iPhone, when a panhandler stopped me by yelling at me, then waving her hand in front of my face when I didn't hear her.  I ... did not react well.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1552 on: August 29, 2013, 03:44:58 PM »
I remember stealing a pack of gum from the local store when I was five.  In my defense, I didn't think of it as stealing - I wanted it, my mother wouldn't buy it for me, so the choice to my childish mind was obvious.  :)

When my mother discovered it and knew darned well how I'd gotten it, she marched me back to the store to apologize to the manager.  I've never forgotten that.

Topic:  I was walking down the street the other day, happily listening to music on my iPhone, when a panhandler stopped me by yelling at me, then waving her hand in front of my face when I didn't hear her.  I ... did not react well.

My boyfriend would make the worst scammer in the world. When he was a kid, he stole one of those metal free-standing price signs they used to have in the stores. (the were maybe 6 or 8" high and wide, with a slot that paper description and prices could be slid into.)
His mother caught him and made him take it back and apologise.
what kind of self-respecting little boy would steal a PRICE SIGN?

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1553 on: August 29, 2013, 03:49:37 PM »
DSS stole a single tamarind from the grocery store a couple month's ago. He's twelve, well above the age where he knows right from wrong. His excuse for his misdeed was, "Well, I asked if I could have some and you didn't answer." (Special Snowflake IwantitIwillhaveit? We also found 3 empty soda cans in his shower, which he claims he was using to poor water over himself, but we have reasonable suspicion that he snuck them there to drink them because we limit his soda consumption. I realize it's the age and not true SS, but grrrrrrrr either way.) This all happened while he was with his mother, who marked him back in to talk to the manager, who told him she wouldn't call the police this time. Followed by attorney stepmom norrina assuring him that yes, in fact, the manager could have done that. Over a $.05 tamarind.



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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1554 on: August 29, 2013, 07:27:25 PM »
I just got a phone call on our home phone and the caller ID said it was *unavailable* at this number (786).

I heard voices in the background and then a man starting talking:

Him: Am I speaking to *Amethyst*
Me: This is *Amethyst*
Him: how are you?
Me: I'm fine. Who is this?
Him: *mumblemumble* from *mumblemumble*.  I'm calling to inform you that your computer is filled with viruses
Me: <laughing out loud>Really?
Him: <sounding sincere> yes, it is.
Me: That's really funny because I haven't turned on my computer for a month and a half. <click>

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1555 on: August 29, 2013, 08:19:32 PM »
I haven't been answering unidentified calls for several months, and finally convinced Lucas not to do that a couple of months ago. With fingers crossed, I have to say I think it is working. Maybe robocallers have an automatic skip after so many unanswered calls? Is technology that good now?

I just checked my caller ID missed calls, and there were only 3 in the past 4 days, and my cell phone only had one. Even that home security company from Washington state, who used call 3 times a week, finally hasn't called.

Someone called last Saturday, and I answered it from habit. Fortunately, it was a real person who started his speal, and I said (really! I did!), "Seriously, Dude? It's Saturday." He apologized and hung up. (Second time I've said that word as a name in the last 22 years!)

Of course, during election season, I don't think it will work.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1556 on: August 29, 2013, 11:23:28 PM »
Just got a call from the "Reclaim department from the Australian Federal Govenment". He didnt get any further than that, as I told home exactly what I thought of him taking money off old and vulnerable people and told him to never call again.

They're not even trying, if they actually said some sort of government department then I'd probably would have listened.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1557 on: August 30, 2013, 09:19:52 AM »
Oh noes, the FBI is after me!  It has legal citations, so it must be true.

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I am Special Agent Jason Gale from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Intelligence Field Unit, we Intercepted two consignment boxes at JFK Airport, New York, the boxes were scanned but found out that it contained large sum of money ($4.1 million) and also some backup documents which bears your name as the Beneficiary/Receiver of the money, Investigation carried out on the diplomat that accompanied the boxes into the United States, said that he was to deliver the fund to your residence as overdue payment owed to you by the Federal Government of Nigeria through the security company in the United Kingdom.
Meanwhile, we cross check all legal documents in the boxes but we found out that your consignment was lacking an important document and we cannot release the boxes to the diplomat until the document is found, right now we have no other choice than to confiscated your consignment.
According to Internal Revenue Code (IRC) in Title 26 also contain reporting requirement on a Form 8300, Report of Cash Payment Over $10,000 Received in a Trade or Business, money laundering activity may violate 18 USC 1956, 18 USC 1957, 18 USC 1960, and provision of Title 31, and 26 USC 6050I of the United States Code (USC), this section will discuss only those money laundering and currency violation under the jurisdiction of IRS, your consignment lacks proof of ownership certificate from the joint team of IRS and IRC, therefore you need to reply back immediately for direction on how to procure this certificate to enable us relieved the charge of evading the law on you, which is a punishable offense in the United States.
You are required to reply back within 72hours or you will be prosecuted in a court of law for money laundering, also you are instructed to desist from further contact with any bank(s) or person(s) in Nigeria or the United kingdom or any part of the world regarding your payment because your consignment has been confiscated by the Federal Bureau here in the United States.
Yours In Service,
Agent Jason Gale
Regional Deputy Director
Intelligence Field Unit

Oddly, Agent Jason Gale has a Nigerian email address instead of a .gov one.  Yeah, I'm just trembling with terror.   8)


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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1558 on: August 30, 2013, 09:27:14 AM »
I'm afraid one of my kids is a little scammer in the making.  I hope I was able to show her it never really works! 

BG: We were at Target one day and I got the kids their school backpacks.  As we were leaving, the security gates went off.  No one ever came over to investigate but I made sure the kids didn't accidentally have anything in their hands or pockets (they didn't.)  Of course, I had the receipt for everything in our bag, so we went on our merry way.  At home, I discovered one of those square security label things and I figure it was either supposed to be removed or disabled in some way and wasn't.  The kids were very concerned about the whole "gates going off" thing but I told that sometimes they do and as long as you aren't actually stealing anything, it's not a big deal because you'll have a receipt showing proof of payment.

So in the car the other day, DD8 (who has obviously been mulling this over) said, "Mom, I know how you can get past the gates!"

Me:  ??? Oh?  How?

DD8: Well, you just buy something.  Then you go back later and steal the same thing but bring your receipt.  Then when the gates go off, you just say, "Oh, it's okay, I have a receipt right here!" and then you have two things!

Me:  :o  Well, that sounds like it would work but every receipt has the date and time stamped on it.  The security guard would know you're lying.

DD8:  Oh.  I guess I didn't think of that.

Me:   :o  Well, please remember that stealing is ALWAYS wrong* and you will eventually get caught and it's really not ever worth it.  Dad and I will be extremely disappointed if we ever find out you're doing something like that.  (then I went into how it seems harmless but it really hurts everyone, yadda yadda yadda...)

She's a really good kid and I doubt she ever would steal anything.  She likes a good puzzle and went about solving the problem of security gates. But her logic scared me a little, LOL.

*I know there are circumstances where this could be debated but I didn't need to get into semantics with an 8-year old with a plan to successfully boost merchandise...

For some reason, when I ride the subway, I spend my down time trying to figure out how one could avoid paying the toll. It's not that I want to do so - it's the challenge of figuring out the scheme, even as a thought experiment.
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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #1559 on: August 30, 2013, 10:02:30 AM »
So, I take it no one on here has ever played "The perfect murder". It's a great game. All hypothetical of course.
The alternative (and slightly less macabre) is the "How to plan the perfect robbery."
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