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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2010 on: November 19, 2013, 11:23:26 PM »
I know there is a camp in the woods a few blocks from the area I see the homeless woman and dog. What I don't understand is why much of our homeless live so far away from the shelters and kitchens that serve them. I try to give food and drink, not money.

The homeless still want to feel some independence and control, and they sometimes feel somewhat dehumanised by some of the treatment in these shelters. Some feel they do not deserve the help or do not feel they can ever repay it. (But I don't know why they feel getting alms is not receiving help.) This I heard from a volunteer at a soup kitchen/shelter years ago.

The story above is a good example of that: dehumanised because they can't keep their true friends.

I'd imagine it might also be because of vagrancy laws.  You'll basically be kicked out of wherever you're trying to sleep and told to "move along."  Move along to where, exactly?  Unless they happen to have been lucky enough to get a bed in a shelter.  So they go hide in the woods, where police are less likely to come across them and kick them out, and they're out of the way.  I know if I were homeless, I'd probably head for the woods, too.
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« Reply #2011 on: November 20, 2013, 05:10:47 AM »
It may also be safer, with less likelihood of being attacked or robbed.  And Safe(ish) sheltered places which are also close to shelters and soup-kitchens are likely to be popular, so in an area whether there are a lot of homeless people, such spots are likely to be at a premium.

In the UK, there is one charity (http://www.mungos.org)which supports homeless people which specifically provides hostels which accept pets, to try to avoid the situation where people can't access hostels or other support because they cannot take their dogs.


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« Reply #2012 on: November 20, 2013, 07:17:05 AM »
Sometimes the homeless really are homeless through absolutely no fault of their own. 

Only too true. A Baptist minister told me about a man whe was homeless, because when he was in hospital, his partners house burned down, and she was killed. As they were unmarried, and she had no insurance, he got nothing. He was ex-Army, and had no home other that that one.

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« Reply #2013 on: November 20, 2013, 11:07:35 AM »
Sometimes the homeless really are homeless through absolutely no fault of their own. 

Only too true. A Baptist minister told me about a man whe was homeless, because when he was in hospital, his partners house burned down, and she was killed. As they were unmarried, and she had no insurance, he got nothing. He was ex-Army, and had no home other that that one.

Absolutely. There are many people who are homeless through no fault of their own, or understandable faults, at least. Any one of us might end up in that situation, if the cards fall in a certain way.

The problem is that there is are people who are quite willing to *pose* as needing help if they see freebies associated with it. It's one of the biggest problems with the "safety net". How do we get help to those who need it, quickly and respectfully, while putting procedures in place to keep away the moochers and scammers who have been listed in so much detail in this thread, and stopping them from draining away the help from those who need it?
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« Reply #2014 on: November 20, 2013, 12:14:41 PM »
Cracked.com did an excellent article a week or two, something to the effect of "5 things you didn't know about being homeless". The author had been homeless for a period of time; he had been unexpectedly evicted because his roommate had failed to pay their rent. It's a very informative read.
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« Reply #2015 on: November 20, 2013, 12:20:03 PM »
Cracked.com did an excellent article a week or two, something to the effect of "5 things you didn't know about being homeless". The author had been homeless for a period of time; he had been unexpectedly evicted because his roommate had failed to pay their rent. It's a very informative read.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20720_7-things-no-one-tells-you-about-being-homeless.html
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« Reply #2016 on: November 20, 2013, 01:58:59 PM »
I was going to mention that Cracked article!  Regarding "why do the homeless live in the woods" - the author of that article said something like "Basically, if you want food that isn't processed or fast food - in other words, 'real' food that you have to cook - you need to cook it away from city streets, otherwise you'll be in trouble with the law."

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« Reply #2017 on: November 20, 2013, 02:52:07 PM »
I met a home less retired minister in her late sixties, she'd relocated from Florida after three hurricanes in one year wiped her home out three times.  Her home owner's insurance apparently ran out of money and she could not get the house fixed up enough to make it liveable, so she was living out of her vehicle with her cat. 

She had some money (coming from a retirement pension though her denomination) but not enough to fix up the house or buy/rent another one without being able to sell the one in Florida (nowhere near enough for two mortgages & living on or rent, living expenses, and a mortgage).  The mortgage could be cleared because the house couldn't be sold without extensive repairs that she couldn't afford...so, around & around things went, leaving her living out of her vehicle.
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« Reply #2018 on: November 20, 2013, 03:19:59 PM »
Did anyone watch the documentary with the Disneyland hotel kids?

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« Reply #2019 on: November 21, 2013, 07:57:39 AM »
Just because it always works on TVů

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crimes/380858/bank-customer-turns-robber

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« Reply #2020 on: November 21, 2013, 08:29:59 AM »
Got an email in one of the company shared inboxes today. The TO field and subject field were both blank.

From: *nameredacted*@talktalk.net


DO YOU WISH TO BORROW MONEY IF YES SEND YOUR REPLY/INFO TO
pmorganchasecompanyloanfirm@gmail.com


The problems with this? Well, they're missing the J from JP Morgan Chase, first of all. Plus, I doubt that JPMC would ever use gmail as a company mail. Also, this shared inbox is shared with a financial institution!

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« Reply #2021 on: November 25, 2013, 08:25:40 PM »
After I went away to university, my mother was introduced by a friend to a woman with a genuine sob story. Her husband threw her out and wouldn't let her see their teenage daughter. From what I have heard, she lost custody of her daughter to her husband and lost her nursing job. I want to preface this by saying that I really do feel bad for her and the situation is awful. However, the woman is  extremely manipulative. My mother is too nice and so when this women would come by saying her daughter needed to use a printer for a school project or didn't have money for an art project, my mom would give it to her, because apparently the father was neglectful. It wasn't an exhorbitant amount of money, but it was enough to help. Meanwhile, the lady was sleeping at a shelter and trying to find work. Eventually, the requests grew in number to things such as more money or staying at our house despite my mother having health problems. She grew increasingly surly and rude when refused. Again, I understand that she was going through a lot, but still inappropriate. My dad put his foot down to her ever staying over or to more handouts, and eventually the woman moved across the country to live with her father.

This woman, who I'll call ''A,'' completely fell from my good graces after she called my mother (who has been recently hospitalized for a month's time) and asked that she use her daughter and her daughter's friend as nurses (when they were not qualified and were not even in nursing school) while she recovered from surgery. To top it all off, she demanded that they be allowed to live in my parents' home! My father and mother refused and this woman behaved very curtly toward my mother on the phone, which in turn caused some serious stress in a time that was supposed to be for recuperation. I believe she ended up calling a few times, crying or being rude and stressing my poor mother out because she wasn't getting her way.  >:( I was home from univeristy at the time and though I hate confrontation, I swore that if she called back when I was home I would say some very non-E-hell approved things. Who behaves that way toward an ill person?  :o  Thankfully, things tapered off. The only reminder of the woman was that A's suitcase was allowed to sit in our home because she had no place to store these belongings at the time. According to her, she was assisting her father and working as a nurse again and my mother would hear from her by phone every so often.

I left the country for a job over a year ago and returned for Christmas to find that the woman was also in town. She put a photograph of her own daughter next to one of me on the family mantle. I pointed it out to my mother later, who moved it, not having seen her do it. When I was out, this woman returned and put the photo back AGAIN. My mother moved it and politely explained that the mantle was for family members only. When my mother left the room, the woman put it back again. I nearly hit the roof.  My mother was storing some of this lady's belongings, had assisted her and her daughter, and here she was, not even listening to the most basic of requests. She was also back to asking for more money with the claim that her nursing job ''went away,'' but she didn't want to live with her father (for pride reasons) so she was back asking for more help. I never ended up running into her during the vacation, but I was very happy to hear that a few months later, when the woman moved back into town, my father showed her the door after she repeatedly made requests to sleep over despite being told that it would not be possible. From what I heard, every ''no'' was met with ''it would only be for a few days'' or ''I'm really quiet and would help out.'' Same goes with requests for more cash. ''I just need twenty dollars...''

Her daughter is probably around 20 now and living with a friend the last I heard, so I'm happy to hear she's not living with that father anymore.

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Re: S/O Beggars, Moochers and Scammers
« Reply #2022 on: November 26, 2013, 12:39:57 AM »



Her daughter is probably around 20 now and living with a friend the last I heard, so I'm happy to hear she's not living with that father anymore.

I suspect there was nothing wrong with the father - it was all part of the manipulation.  I don't know if you meant that the father legally forbade her access or simply made it impossible for her to see the child (although I notice access miraculously restarted when this allowed her to try to get money from your parents) but usually for one parent to be cut off like this from a teenager, they would have to have done something fairly awful (I accept a custodial parent can block access with a younger child).

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« Reply #2023 on: November 26, 2013, 02:50:03 PM »
Her daughter is probably around 20 now and living with a friend the last I heard, so I'm happy to hear she's not living with that father anymore.

I suspect there was nothing wrong with the father - it was all part of the manipulation.  I don't know if you meant that the father legally forbade her access or simply made it impossible for her to see the child (although I notice access miraculously restarted when this allowed her to try to get money from your parents) but usually for one parent to be cut off like this from a teenager, they would have to have done something fairly awful (I accept a custodial parent can block access with a younger child).

I had that thought, too.

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« Reply #2024 on: November 26, 2013, 03:44:36 PM »
Regarding the link posted by Jedikaiti, the man shopping the murder contract was a car dealer and has admitted submitting falsified VIN numbers in order to scam money from finance companies.  Isn't that the plot to Fargo?  And we know how well that ended up.
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