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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!)
« Reply #390 on: January 10, 2013, 01:10:19 AM »
I don't want to give too many stories for fear of being identified, they were pretty specific.  Let's just say that one of Don's sisters actively tried (and succeeded) to conceive so she would be heavily pregnant at the wedding, "because it's not fair that Don and Linda get so much attention."  Linda figured that was the sister's choice and she wasn't about to complain.


And what a charming story for their children.  Most parents can start with 'Mommy and Daddy loved each other and we were so happy when you came along!'  This poor kid gets 'We wanted to mess up Brother's wedding and this was the best way we could think of'.  Of course they may well have been planning to have a baby anyway and just delighted in the chance to time it this way, but I can't imagine people who treat their siblings that way will be  much more loving towards their kids.

Wow... I think that's actually a more heartless baby conception story than my friend in high school who charted her cycles so her teen pregnancy would net her the maximum ammount of college financial aid possible. (She managed to get a totally free ride to college between getting a grant for single moms, one per year for teen mothers, one for her cheerleading and one for being a minority. Plus some small scholarships for various other activities. It took some serious planning to pull what she did!) Student loans weren't an option because of a lack of qualified co-signers IIRC.

For the record, the "college" baby is seven now, and is VERY loved. To my knowladge she has never come right out and admitted to the kid that it was born because Mommy wanted to go to college and couldn't get a loan.


I have to admit, I chuckled reading this... then I was pretty much amazed at the absurdity and sheer..... Yeah. Lack of words. That is an epic way to get an education!
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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE
« Reply #391 on: February 18, 2013, 11:42:39 PM »
- My relative, Susan, has struggled with her mom's PA behavior for years.  Susan's father recently lost his job due to hostile behavior in the office.  A few years ago, when Susan and her husband, George, were going through typical "early married" financial problems, her mother told Susan that asking family members for loans JUST WASN'T DONE in their family.  Susan was hurt that her mother would say something like that before Susan even asked for help and the tone was "We don't want to help you, so don't ask."  Father has been out of work for two weeks. Now, Mother is sending Susan texts like, "We'd usually go out for dinner on Friday nights, now we're having cold sandwiches.  Sure would be nice if someone sent us a restaurant gift card!"  or "I'm not even bothering with Black Friday this year.  Sure would be nice if Santa sent us Christmas money!" Susan responded with, "That would be nice." to both. (Please note that these people aren't hungry or suffering.  Susan's parents live a very "brand conscious" lifestyle and there are plenty of things they can do to scale back.  Not to mention items they can sell for extra cash.)

At Thanksgiving, which Susan hosted, Mother informed Susan, "It would be nice if you gave us some spending cash.  Otherwise, we're not going to be able to afford Christmas gifts this year.  And if that happens, I don't think we'll even bother coming over for Christmas."  Susan said, "Well, we would miss you."  Mother sulked and said maybe they would come over after all.


An update to the situation above:

Susan told me that her husband, George, made an error at the store (mis-read a price tag) that cost him about $40 he wasn't planning to spend.  Not a catastrophe, but an unexpected expense.  George told the story at a family gathering where Susan's parents were present, as a "can you believe this bone-headed, funny thing I did?" anecdote.  Susan's mother immediately launched into a diatribe about how LUCKY Susan and George were to be SOOOO rich that they could make mistakes like that. That a $40 error would have broken Susan's parents' budget and she couldn't believe how WASTEFUL George is.

Susan was so shocked, that like most of the other people in the room, she just stared at her mother in horror.  George told her, "Wow, I think you totally misinterpreted that story."  And then moved on to another topic.

Susan's mother later approached Susan to tell her how nice it would be to give her parents money to help with their bills.  Susan told her no and bean-dipped.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #392 on: February 19, 2013, 12:06:10 AM »
My mother once called me a stupid idiot for racking up the gargantuan sum of $6 in library fines.   (In my defense, my husband and I were living in a motel with our toddlers at the time, waiting for our new house to be finished, plus I was working two jobs.   So, yeah, I forgot about the library books.)

Saying "It's only six bucks, Mum" was a mistake, as I quickly found out.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #393 on: February 19, 2013, 12:34:39 AM »
My mother once called me a stupid idiot for racking up the gargantuan sum of $6 in library fines.   (In my defense, my husband and I were living in a motel with our toddlers at the time, waiting for our new house to be finished, plus I was working two jobs.   So, yeah, I forgot about the library books.)

Saying "It's only six bucks, Mum" was a mistake, as I quickly found out.

I saw a mother/son exchange like that at my library a year or two ago. The son was maybe in his late 20s, and as he checked out I told him he had a few dollars in fines. I forget how many, but very far below the limit where we cut you off. He said he'd pay them another time, which is absolutely okay as far as we're concerned.

His mother did not agree. She lit into him like I'd announced he was harboring bin Laden. I don't remember her exact words, which is a shame because it was a fairly elaborate litany of insults. I do remember that she called both her son himself and his daring to have unpaid fines "disgusting" more than once. Through it all he just stood there like this was far from the first time.

Then it was her turn to check out. She also had fines, more than he did but still well below our limit. I was quite happy to tell her so, though I think I kept my tone neutral. In any case, her response was a nonchalant, "Oh, I'll get them next time."

Working in a library can be like flipping channels when nothing but soap operas are on - you see many little snippets of odd family dramas. We even have a lot of people who come in every day or close to it, so you even get the ongoing storylines. This woman was one of the oddest I can recall, in her way. Something like Alzheimer's that changed her personality seems like the simplest explanation, but it felt like that wasn't all there was to it. I never saw either of them again, so I'll never know.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #394 on: February 19, 2013, 01:00:14 AM »
My mother once called me a stupid idiot for racking up the gargantuan sum of $6 in library fines.   (In my defense, my husband and I were living in a motel with our toddlers at the time, waiting for our new house to be finished, plus I was working two jobs.   So, yeah, I forgot about the library books.)

Saying "It's only six bucks, Mum" was a mistake, as I quickly found out.

I saw a mother/son exchange like that at my library a year or two ago. The son was maybe in his late 20s, and as he checked out I told him he had a few dollars in fines. I forget how many, but very far below the limit where we cut you off. He said he'd pay them another time, which is absolutely okay as far as we're concerned.

His mother did not agree. She lit into him like I'd announced he was harboring bin Laden. I don't remember her exact words, which is a shame because it was a fairly elaborate litany of insults. I do remember that she called both her son himself and his daring to have unpaid fines "disgusting" more than once. Through it all he just stood there like this was far from the first time.

Then it was her turn to check out. She also had fines, more than he did but still well below our limit. I was quite happy to tell her so, though I think I kept my tone neutral. In any case, her response was a nonchalant, "Oh, I'll get them next time."

Working in a library can be like flipping channels when nothing but soap operas are on - you see many little snippets of odd family dramas. We even have a lot of people who come in every day or close to it, so you even get the ongoing storylines. This woman was one of the oddest I can recall, in her way. Something like Alzheimer's that changed her personality seems like the simplest explanation, but it felt like that wasn't all there was to it. I never saw either of them again, so I'll never know.


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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #395 on: February 19, 2013, 02:51:44 AM »
My mom has a slightly different variation on "you're so bad with money". She knows I'm generally pretty good with money, and she loves to tell me how much better at managing finances I am than her (my phone never gets cut off because I forgot to pay the bill) ad nauseum. She also has a history of offering money/loans to us without being asked. Then at the first sign of trouble she lets rip about how childish and irresponsible I am with money, how I can't expect to lean on her/others, how pathetic etc etc...
Just because someone is offended that does not mean they are in the right.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #396 on: February 20, 2013, 10:08:47 AM »
Meet my dad:

It was 1985. I was 17 and had just graduated from high school. That summer, I bought my first car with money I saved from my part-time job and from graduation gifts. It was not a fancy car. It was very basic transportation that I planned to take to college with me.

My parents had an old early-'70s Dodge as a second car that I'd been using through high school. The week I graduated from high school, the windshield wipers stopped working. As was typical for my parents, they never bothered to get the windshield wipers fixed. What this meant was that the car couldn't be driven when it was raining.

One summer evening, I was planning to pick up my boyfriend in my car and go to a movie. My mother wasn't home, so she'd taken their car. I thought my dad was in the family room, so I called out, "Bye! I'll be back after the movie," and I went out the front door. When I got outside, I saw that my car was gone. Where was my car? Then it dawned on me that it was raining.

I went back in the house and realized I was alone. My dad and brother were both gone. Where were they? Had they taken my car? Was I going to make it in time to pick up my boyfriend and get to the movie before it started?

About 15 minutes later, my dad pulled up in front of the house in my car. I was upset because a) I don't know he'd taken the car, and b) now I was late. His response: "I had to take your brother to Boy Scouts, and it was raining. I couldn't use the Dodge." I explained to him that I had plans, and now I was late. I said I wished he would have told me what he was doing before he took my car. (I could have dropped my brother off on my way to my boyfriend's house.) He blew up at me, saying that he didn't know what I expected him to do. He couldn't drive the Dodge in the rain. I said that I hoped he would talk to me about using my car rather than just taking it because I might have plans. He didn't like that and was steaming mad.

I left in a hurry, picked up my boyfriend, and we walked into the movie as it was starting. I got home later and went straight to bed.

In the morning, I found a note on the kitchen table from my dad. In a nutshell, he told me that he would never, ever use my car again. He would never, ever ask if he could use MY car. Obviously, it was MY car. And I was too selfish to share it. So, he said he planned to use the same tactic on me that he used on my mother with the living room couch. See, she got mad at him once for lying on the living room couch after he'd been outside mowing the lawn. He was all sweaty and gross, and she didn't want him to get the couch dirty. She asked him to move to another piece of furniture. (I remembered the incident because it turned into a big fight, but I didn't know the rest of the story.) In his note to me, he said he vowed from then on that he would never, ever sit on THAT couch again. And he never, ever did. Therefore, because I was so selfish about MY car, he would do the same thing with it and never, ever use it again.

Okay, Dad. Take a stand.  ::)  Don't ever sit on the couch again. Don't ever drive my car again. I took his note, got a pen, and wrote, "Fine with me," and put it on his recliner where he'd see it when he got home. He never, ever drove my car again. Indeed, he got what he said he wanted. I never said another word about it, and neither did he.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #397 on: February 20, 2013, 11:10:11 AM »
Hey, Coley, I had no idea I had a sister!

Seriously, that sounds like something my dad would do.  He has a history of going off on the deep end and completely blowing things out of proportion like that.

Just for the record, I'm outraged on your behalf.  What a lousy thing to do!  We bought our 18-year-old daughter a car a year ago when she got her license (nothing fancy; it's a used Yaris).  It's always been understood that it is HER car.  Whenever we've had a situation in which we need a second vehicle, I've always asked her if I may borrow it.  When someone at work heard about that, they said "Uh, you paid for it.  You should be able to just use it whenever you want."  I said "We bought it for HER.  I wouldn't like someone to just grab my car and use it without asking; we owe her the same courtesy."

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« Reply #398 on: February 20, 2013, 11:34:46 AM »
Hey, Coley, I had no idea I had a sister!

Seriously, that sounds like something my dad would do.  He has a history of going off on the deep end and completely blowing things out of proportion like that.

Just for the record, I'm outraged on your behalf.  What a lousy thing to do!  We bought our 18-year-old daughter a car a year ago when she got her license (nothing fancy; it's a used Yaris).  It's always been understood that it is HER car.  Whenever we've had a situation in which we need a second vehicle, I've always asked her if I may borrow it.  When someone at work heard about that, they said "Uh, you paid for it.  You should be able to just use it whenever you want."  I said "We bought it for HER.  I wouldn't like someone to just grab my car and use it without asking; we owe her the same courtesy."

I think that's really the crux of the situation. It wasn't that I would have refused if he needed to use the car; it's just that we needed to have some mutual respect about it.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #399 on: February 20, 2013, 03:07:42 PM »
Coley: I am sorry your Dad took your car without asking, but I have to admit his response to your frustration made me laugh.

My youngest older brother H (who I should put in the Beggars/Moochers/Scammers thread) is the center of his own universe. When he has been "wronged," he loves to use this "punishment." My older middle brother E, who H is currently crashing with and leeching off of, is the one who gets to be on the receiving end of this behavior the most often. He tells me he loves when H pouts and gives him the silent treatment because it means he gets peace and quiet. >:D He tells H to change the tv channel or turn the tv off? H stops using the tv and goes and sulks in 'his' room. Yeah, way to teach E a lesson by giving him his own tv back. ::) H is trying to play the martyr - the massive flaw in his plan is that he assumes everyone else thinks about him as often as he thinks about himself. That same self-involvement is exactly why we can't get through to him that we don't give a rodent's patootie about the problems he's invited on himself.

I just love the empty threats that narcissists dash at our feet. It almost sounds like reverse psychology or something. "I'm never going to use your car and inconvenience you again, and then you'll be sorry." "Um...okay whatever. Thanks Dad!" >:D
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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #400 on: February 20, 2013, 04:33:43 PM »
Coley: I am sorry your Dad took your car without asking, but I have to admit his response to your frustration made me laugh.

My youngest older brother H (who I should put in the Beggars/Moochers/Scammers thread) is the center of his own universe. When he has been "wronged," he loves to use this "punishment." My older middle brother E, who H is currently crashing with and leeching off of, is the one who gets to be on the receiving end of this behavior the most often. He tells me he loves when H pouts and gives him the silent treatment because it means he gets peace and quiet. >:D He tells H to change the tv channel or turn the tv off? H stops using the tv and goes and sulks in 'his' room. Yeah, way to teach E a lesson by giving him his own tv back. ::) H is trying to play the martyr - the massive flaw in his plan is that he assumes everyone else thinks about him as often as he thinks about himself. That same self-involvement is exactly why we can't get through to him that we don't give a rodent's patootie about the problems he's invited on himself.

I just love the empty threats that narcissists dash at our feet. It almost sounds like reverse psychology or something. "I'm never going to use your car and inconvenience you again, and then you'll be sorry." "Um...okay whatever. Thanks Dad!" >:D

I know! It is funny, especially so many years after the fact. "So, what you're saying is that you're not going to use my car. Yeah, that'll teach me!"

Between that response and the couch story, I couldn't figure out what he thought he was trying to accomplish. Even back then I couldn't get over the couch story. I had no idea he'd even taken a stand about the couch. I don't know whether he verbalized it to my mother. If he did, she didn't seem to care. To my knowledge, no one was aware that he had taken a stand about the couch except me.

My mother is just as bad. I can't tell you how many times she'd get mad and yell that she was just going to move out of the house because she was so unappreciated. Stomping off with a huff and a puff ... She's still there, BTW.  ;)

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #401 on: February 20, 2013, 05:10:55 PM »
The couch story reminds me of one time when my dad, who has very smelly feet, decided to lie on the couch with his slippers off.  I, being a very tactless teenager, said "Geez, Dad, your feet stink."  He ignored me (probably because I was always being rude like that.  I was a bit obnoxious at that age).  Then my mum said "Uh, Roger, your feet really do stink.  PLEASE put your slippers back on." 

Whereupon he stomped out of the livingroom in a huff for daring to imply that his toesies didn't smell like gardenias.  Yep, giving us breathable air that didn't make us want to pass out - that'll teach us!

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« Reply #402 on: February 20, 2013, 05:33:19 PM »
My mother once called me a stupid idiot for racking up the gargantuan sum of $6 in library fines.   (In my defense, my husband and I were living in a motel with our toddlers at the time, waiting for our new house to be finished, plus I was working two jobs.   So, yeah, I forgot about the library books.)

Saying "It's only six bucks, Mum" was a mistake, as I quickly found out.

Haha!  Never say that to me when my money is on the line here.  Example, trying get a wrong fee reversed or blowing through all my DVRs "trying something":  ONLY SIX BUCKS?  That's two gallons of milk.  That's lunch meet and juice boxes for school lunches for the week.  Don't tell me only six bucks!

On the other hand, as I justify a purchase I probably shouldn't be buying...well, it's only six bucks.   ;D


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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #403 on: February 20, 2013, 05:37:58 PM »
My mother is just as bad. I can't tell you how many times she'd get mad and yell that she was just going to move out of the house because she was so unappreciated. Stomping off with a huff and a puff ... She's still there, BTW.  ;)

hahaha! My mom did that once. Huffed that she could just go and visit someone any time and maybe she should go and do that right now. Didn't like it when the response was "okay. Have fun". Didn't pull that one again.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #404 on: February 20, 2013, 09:27:24 PM »
Hey, Coley, I had no idea I had a sister!

Seriously, that sounds like something my dad would do.  He has a history of going off on the deep end and completely blowing things out of proportion like that.

Just for the record, I'm outraged on your behalf.  What a lousy thing to do!  We bought our 18-year-old daughter a car a year ago when she got her license (nothing fancy; it's a used Yaris).  It's always been understood that it is HER car.  Whenever we've had a situation in which we need a second vehicle, I've always asked her if I may borrow it.  When someone at work heard about that, they said "Uh, you paid for it.  You should be able to just use it whenever you want."  I said "We bought it for HER.  I wouldn't like someone to just grab my car and use it without asking; we owe her the same courtesy."

I think that's really the crux of the situation. It wasn't that I would have refused if he needed to use the car; it's just that we needed to have some mutual respect about it.

Some parents do not believe that children are entitled to their own possessions.  My first stepmother had a little of that trait.
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