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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #405 on: February 20, 2013, 10:13:05 PM »

My parents had an old early-'70s Dodge as a second car that I'd been using through high school. The week I graduated from high school, the windshield wipers stopped working. As was typical for my parents, they never bothered to get the windshield wipers fixed. What this meant was that the car couldn't be driven when it was raining.

One summer evening, I was planning to pick up my boyfriend in my car and go to a movie. My mother wasn't home, so she'd taken their car. I thought my dad was in the family room, so I called out, "Bye! I'll be back after the movie," and I went out the front door. When I got outside, I saw that my car was gone. Where was my car? Then it dawned on me that it was raining.

I went back in the house and realized I was alone. My dad and brother were both gone. Where were they? Had they taken my car? Was I going to make it in time to pick up my boyfriend and get to the movie before it started?

About 15 minutes later, my dad pulled up in front of the house in my car. I was upset because a) I don't know he'd taken the car, and b) now I was late. His response: "I had to take your brother to Boy Scouts, and it was raining. I couldn't use the Dodge." I explained to him that I had plans, and now I was late. I said I wished he would have told me what he was doing before he took my car. (I could have dropped my brother off on my way to my boyfriend's house.) He blew up at me, saying that he didn't know what I expected him to do.

I know it would be disrespectful, but I think my response probably would have been, "REPLACE YOUR WINDSHIELD WIPERS, MAYBE?"

I love my dad, and we have a really good relationship now.  But he had a few moments sort of like this when I was growing up, in which I was given a choice to do whatever I thought was appropriate, and then when my choice didn't line up with my dad's values, he blew up on me.  I felt like I was being set up to have a bad reaction so he could correct me.  He was so convinced that I was an irresponsible flibbitygibbit* that he put me in that position, so he could be sure that I would receive a "life lesson lecture."

Episode 1) I decide that I'm going to try out for a fun extracurricular activity as its my senior year of high school and my last chance to participate. Dad didn't think this was a good idea, as he thought I already had too much on my plate with my classes and the activities I was already doing, but he "left it up to me" to decide whether it was good idea for me to try out.  I looked at my schedule, decided the opportunity was important enough to me to devote my time and energy to it.  I told my parents.  Mom said, OK, but we expect your grades to stay up.  Dad stayed silent and stewed... then woke me up at 4:45 the next morning before he went to work so we could have a long heart-to-heart talk about why my trying out for the activity was an irresponsible choice.  When I didn't respond to this lecture in the way he thought I should (i.e. being fully awake, responding with thoughtful, mature comments and agreeing with him) he said this was another example of me being spacey and irresponsible. 

I stood up, told him that he had to wait until after 6 a.m. for thoughtful, mature responses and went back to bed.  That made him really angry, but he "washed his hands" of the situation. I tried out for the activity, participated, kept my grades up, all the while my dad predicted academic doom.

Episode 2) I was very heavily involved in Activity A since middle school.  My parents were very active in the booster club.  I was one of the more dependable kids in Activity A and never missed a practice.  My mom and I went on a long, very tiring trip, the last day of which happened to overlap with a scheduled practice.  I checked with the coach while the trip was being planned and he was fine with me missing one practice. 

Mom and I happened to get back a day early from the long, tiring trip, about an hour before the practice was supposed to start.  Dad said it was up to me to decide whether I would go to practice.  But it was clear he expected me to immediately turn around, get in my car and cheerfully drive to practice, since I was able to go. I told him no, I was hot and tired from the long trip and I'd already cleared the absence with the coach, so I was going to eat some dinner and shower and probably go to bed. 

Dad. Was. Incensed.

How could I shirk my responsibilities to the coach and the team?  How could I be so irresponsible and flaky?  How could I even thinking of missing a practice after all the hard work HE put in with the boosters? 

I told him that if the coach was OK with it, that was good enough for me.  And then I was treated to a lecture about how "good enough" wasn't a way to approach life.

I didn't go to practice.  I did invite dad to spend less time with the boosters, if it was such a burden.

*I'm not saying I wasn't a little irresponsible and spacey, but I was a 17 year old.   Show me a 17 year old that isn't.  And I know I'm making my dad sound awful.  He really is a good guy.  He just had no clue how to talk to me.   We are of absolutely polar opposite personalities and he doesn't understand how I process problems or information.  I think he was so terrified that I would turn out flaky and silly that he over-compensated with "instruction."

Ironically, I turned out to be the most responsible of his children.  Now that he sees that, and the way I've taken care of my children, my spouse and several other family members, he treats me with a heck of a lot more respect.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #406 on: February 20, 2013, 10:45:48 PM »
That reminds me of something my stepfather said to me. I was home at 10pm from work, starving and with low blood sugar and he wanted to have a serious conversation about something to me. I asked politely if he could wait until I finished my dinner, as I could give him a better response, and he told me that I was being selfish.
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« Reply #407 on: February 20, 2013, 11:58:06 PM »
That reminds me of something my stepfather said to me. I was home at 10pm from work, starving and with low blood sugar and he wanted to have a serious conversation about something to me. I asked politely if he could wait until I finished my dinner, as I could give him a better response, and he told me that I was being selfish.

You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

I know with me the only thing that is guaranteed to happen is that my nice filter will be malfunctioning and my responses will be along the vein of bullet point answers and RAWWWWR HUNGER NOM NOM SLEEP.

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« Reply #408 on: February 21, 2013, 07:04:51 AM »
When I'm extremely tired either one of two things happens.   I'll get extremely silly and laugh like a loon if someone says "boo" or bawl like a baby because someone said "boo."

Either way, you're not getting a logical conversation out of me! If I'm really hungry and you insist on keeping me from food, as it is in cartoons, you may start looking like a chicken leg.
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« Reply #409 on: February 21, 2013, 07:52:19 AM »
You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

Some (evil) people do it on purpose to get you to try to agree with them, knowing your defenses will be down.

My junior year of college, my roommate was a sophomore who had a disastrous rel*tionship in her freshman year. This guy would not leave her alone, isolated her from friends and activities, and pretty much psychologically abused her. She was a wreck leaving school at the end of the year, but once she was away from him for the summer, she rebounded. She came back and told him it was over but he wanted her back. He would come to our room at 6am and wake her up and beg and plead with her for usually an hour or more (I was usually already up but it still annoyed me). It wore her down and one day I came back to the room to find her and all her stuff gone. The RA was aware of what was going on and called her parents, who came and rescued her. She transferred to another school so he wouldn't know where she was.

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« Reply #410 on: February 21, 2013, 08:41:19 AM »
The couch story reminds me of one time when my dad, who has very smelly feet, decided to lie on the couch with his slippers off.  I, being a very tactless teenager, said "Geez, Dad, your feet stink."  He ignored me (probably because I was always being rude like that.  I was a bit obnoxious at that age).  Then my mum said "Uh, Roger, your feet really do stink.  PLEASE put your slippers back on." 

Whereupon he stomped out of the livingroom in a huff for daring to imply that his toesies didn't smell like gardenias.  Yep, giving us breathable air that didn't make us want to pass out - that'll teach us!

The reverse of this story (which I've told here before I'm sure) was when my sister's boyfriend came over and took his shoes off at the door. He sat on the couch, and suddenly my sister announced that she "smelled something. Do you smell that? What is that?" Well, it was her BF's feet apparently (I was next to him and couldn't smell anything). So she grabbed a bottle of Lysol and Lysol'd his feet. I don't know what she expected him to do--he already took his shoes off when he came in, which was one of her rules. Was he supposed to cut his feet off before entering as well?  ???

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« Reply #411 on: February 21, 2013, 09:57:42 AM »
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You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

I once came home from university at around 10:00 p.m. with a burger and fries in hand, because I was exhausted and starving and all I could think about was feeding my face.  My dad decided to sit at the table to "keep me company".  Now, I have this weird quirk in that I absolutely HATE to have someone sitting watching me eat if they're not eating themselves, plus I had a good book that I wanted to read.  I politely said that I'd rather be on my own, thanks, and he lost his temper and stormed off in a huff.  Ah well, at least I was able to eat in peace.

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« Reply #412 on: February 21, 2013, 12:13:38 PM »
When I'm extremely tired either one of two things happens.   I'll get extremely silly and laugh like a loon if someone says "boo" or bawl like a baby because someone said "boo."

Either way, you're not getting a logical conversation out of me! If I'm really hungry and you insist on keeping me from food, as it is in cartoons, you may start looking like a chicken leg.

I thought I was the only one who bawled like a two year old when I was overly tired!  I've found the older I get (I'm 47) the more tired I am, the less it takes to set me off. I was soooo tired one night at my second job, and could barely funciton, I was dying. Thankfully, it was during the summer, and the college girl who had worked all day, wanted the money, so she worked a double and  Igot to go home. i could have kissed her.

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« Reply #413 on: February 21, 2013, 12:24:07 PM »
You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

Some (evil) people do it on purpose to get you to try to agree with them, knowing your defenses will be down.

Agreed. It puts them in a position of power: you'll eat when they say you can eat, you'll sleep when they let you sleep.

That strategy backfires on people who try it with me. I get giddily talkative and figgity when I'm overly tired or hungry. I even know I'm doing it and Can't Shut Up. I imagine for the other person it's like having a heart-to-heart with a squirrel on red bull.
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« Reply #414 on: February 21, 2013, 12:31:59 PM »
When I'm extremely tired either one of two things happens.   I'll get extremely silly and laugh like a loon if someone says "boo" or bawl like a baby because someone said "boo."

Either way, you're not getting a logical conversation out of me! If I'm really hungry and you insist on keeping me from food, as it is in cartoons, you may start looking like a chicken leg.

I thought I was the only one who bawled like a two year old when I was overly tired!  I've found the older I get (I'm 47) the more tired I am, the less it takes to set me off. I was soooo tired one night at my second job, and could barely funciton, I was dying. Thankfully, it was during the summer, and the college girl who had worked all day, wanted the money, so she worked a double and  Igot to go home. i could have kissed her.

No, you're not the only one by a long shot.  My best friend is like that too, especially when she's burnt out.  We refer to it as having a brick wall fall down on us when you're so worn out and burnt out and tired that you just don't know what to do with yourself.
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« Reply #415 on: February 21, 2013, 12:40:44 PM »
You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

Some (evil) people do it on purpose to get you to try to agree with them, knowing your defenses will be down.

Agreed. It puts them in a position of power: you'll eat when they say you can eat, you'll sleep when they let you sleep.

That strategy backfires on people who try it with me. I get giddily talkative and figgity when I'm overly tired or hungry. I even know I'm doing it and Can't Shut Up. I imagine for the other person it's like having a heart-to-heart with a squirrel on red bull.

The bolded reminded me of a clip from one of my fave movies (Hoodwinked!): Squirrel on coffee...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmCjMRAzCiE

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« Reply #416 on: February 21, 2013, 12:59:11 PM »
The couch story reminds me of one time when my dad, who has very smelly feet, decided to lie on the couch with his slippers off.  I, being a very tactless teenager, said "Geez, Dad, your feet stink."  He ignored me (probably because I was always being rude like that.  I was a bit obnoxious at that age).  Then my mum said "Uh, Roger, your feet really do stink.  PLEASE put your slippers back on." 

Whereupon he stomped out of the livingroom in a huff for daring to imply that his toesies didn't smell like gardenias.  Yep, giving us breathable air that didn't make us want to pass out - that'll teach us!

The reverse of this story (which I've told here before I'm sure) was when my sister's boyfriend came over and took his shoes off at the door. He sat on the couch, and suddenly my sister announced that she "smelled something. Do you smell that? What is that?" Well, it was her BF's feet apparently (I was next to him and couldn't smell anything). So she grabbed a bottle of Lysol and Lysol'd his feet. I don't know what she expected him to do--he already took his shoes off when he came in, which was one of her rules. Was he supposed to cut his feet off before entering as well?  ???

My (adult) dad once got yelled at by his mother for wearing his shoes in the house, so he obliged and took them off by the door, and walked into the tiled entryway... where he then got yelled at for leaving sweaty footprints on the tiles (from his socked feet). He asked his mom if she wanted him to just float around the house. If I remember the story correctly, she just huffed and flounced off. She was a good woman, just particular about very odd things at times.

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« Reply #417 on: February 21, 2013, 02:45:32 PM »
You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

Some (evil) people do it on purpose to get you to try to agree with them, knowing your defenses will be down.

Agreed. It puts them in a position of power: you'll eat when they say you can eat, you'll sleep when they let you sleep.

That strategy backfires on people who try it with me. I get giddily talkative and figgity when I'm overly tired or hungry. I even know I'm doing it and Can't Shut Up. I imagine for the other person it's like having a heart-to-heart with a squirrel on red bull.

It backfires with me also.  Instead of Rational, Logical MrTango, they get a very angry, irrational, and defensive MrTango.

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« Reply #418 on: February 21, 2013, 03:10:53 PM »
You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

Some (evil) people do it on purpose to get you to try to agree with them, knowing your defenses will be down.

Agreed. It puts them in a position of power: you'll eat when they say you can eat, you'll sleep when they let you sleep.

That strategy backfires on people who try it with me. I get giddily talkative and figgity when I'm overly tired or hungry. I even know I'm doing it and Can't Shut Up. I imagine for the other person it's like having a heart-to-heart with a squirrel on red bull.

It backfires with me also.  Instead of Rational, Logical MrTango, they get a very angry, irrational, and defensive MrTango.

I turn into an angry, rage-filled cave man (er, woman).  It's not pretty.

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« Reply #419 on: February 21, 2013, 03:13:20 PM »
^^ I end up giggling and responding to everything with "your face"
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